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7/7/26: Platner Faces New SA Allegations, USA Loses To Belgium After Trump Intervention · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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Speaker 1: So you probably saw and we will give you a
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Speaker 1: full rundown here of the Graham Platner situation. A former
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Speaker 1: associated of his coming out and accusing him of rape.
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Speaker 1: In a CNN interview and Politico story, Platner is weighing
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Speaker 3: So his he he was dating on and off a
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Speaker 3: woman named Jenny Rassiko, who was featured actually in the
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Speaker 3: New York Times article that that made so much made
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Speaker 3: so many waves several weeks ago, where she said that
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Speaker 3: he had come over to her house uninvited, something happened
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Speaker 3: that made her think differently about him, and she basically
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Speaker 3: cut him off. She called his behavior at the time
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Speaker 3: reckless and unsettling. You might remember that moment, but at
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Speaker 3: the time she did not go on the record with
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Speaker 3: her full allegation, which is that he had unconsensuals with her,
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Speaker 3: that he raped her. He responded within I think six
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Speaker 3: minutes of the article dropping, they had put up a
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Speaker 3: video response. Let's roll that and then go through what
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Speaker 3: her allegation is.
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Speaker 4: I wanted to directly address the troubling, serious and false
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Speaker 4: allegations against me. Any accusation of non consensual behavior is
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Speaker 4: categorically false. Over the last ten months, I have been
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Speaker 4: deeply humbled by the faith maners have put in me.
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Speaker 4: You have welcomed me into your homes, into your places
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Speaker 4: of work, into your restaurants, into your houses of worship.
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Speaker 4: You have shown that a different kind of politics, one
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Speaker 4: that puts the interest of people over corporations, is not
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Speaker 4: just possible, but is inevitable, regardless of the inaccuracy of
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Speaker 4: the reporting, but mindful of political reality it will inflict,
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Speaker 4: we are taking the time to reflect on the best
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Speaker 4: path forward for the state that I love, that I love,
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Speaker 4: the movement I belonged to, and the goal of defeating
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Speaker 4: Susan Collins.
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Speaker 3: So that was the news that was in his two
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Speaker 3: minute video, which is that just if you didn't catch exactly,
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Speaker 3: regardless of whether it's true or not, he's saying he's
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Speaker 3: aware of the political impact that it's going to have,
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Speaker 3: and so he's evaluating the way forward. As of now,
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Speaker 3: he has not yet dropped out. The entire kind of
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Speaker 3: democratic political universes calling him the dropout, and people around
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Speaker 3: him suspect that it is a matter of when, not if,
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Speaker 3: at this point that his campaign is effectively over. There's
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Speaker 3: some discussion about who would replace him and what leverage
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Speaker 3: Platner would have in that decision, and we'll get to
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Speaker 3: that on the back half of this segment. But let's
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Speaker 3: go through some of her allegations, which she made both
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Speaker 3: to Politico and also in a sit down interview with
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Speaker 3: Jake Tapper at CNN. Let's roll a three here.
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Speaker 5: I remember specifically him like grabbing at my chest and
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Speaker 5: I like hit his hand and I said, don't touch me.
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Speaker 5: And I remember that during the.
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Speaker 1: Altercation, basically he kept going.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and it was this weird mix of like coming
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Speaker 5: in and out of I don't think consciousness is a word,
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Speaker 5: but like coming to and kind of falling back into
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Speaker 5: that drunken but I don't know what I'm doing state
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Speaker 5: and yeah, and he just he would apologize in those
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Speaker 5: moments and then go back to doing what he was doing.
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Speaker 3: So he was aware that he was doing something wrong, Yeah, saying.
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Speaker 5: Sorry, I feel like he was in moments.
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Speaker 4: Is there any.
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Speaker 3: Way that he thought this was consensual or no, just
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Speaker 3: because I.
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Speaker 5: Don't believe that you can think that that scenario was consensual.
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Speaker 5: You have to understand that that wasn't when somebody is repeatedly,
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Speaker 5: I mean, when somebody in the middle of it says,
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Speaker 5: don't touch me, like, that's obviously not consensual.
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Speaker 3: You're not coming forward because you have any political motivation.
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Speaker 5: No, not at all. That was actually one of the
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Speaker 5: huge reasons that I didn't come forward and still struggled
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Speaker 5: like that was a huge moral conflict to feel like.
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Speaker 3: Because you'd like a Democrat to be in the Senate. Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I like the things that he speaks about. They're important,
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Speaker 5: They're important to people. I'm one of those people.
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Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, you feel he's
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Speaker 3: not being honest.
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Speaker 5: He's not being honest.
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Speaker 3: No, that y'all also offered some other details about how
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Speaker 3: he came over that evening and how it transpired. Let's
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Speaker 3: roll a three B here.
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Speaker 5: Him and I were texting back and forth and he
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Speaker 5: had taken something that I said as an invitation and
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Speaker 5: that's not how he meant it. And I quickly clarified,
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Speaker 5: and I realized. I remember it being an instant where
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Speaker 5: I had recognized that he wasn't listening to me. It
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Speaker 5: wasn't just that he wasn't hearing me or whatnot. And
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Speaker 5: then I recognized his level of intoxication, and I knew
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Speaker 5: in that moment I wasn't safe, and I don't think
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Speaker 5: I was. I don't think I was safe to physically
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Speaker 5: fight back. He's big, he's strong, and I just had
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Speaker 5: to evaluate my safety and come up with the least
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Speaker 5: worst outcome to this situation, and so I felt like
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Speaker 5: complying for my safety was the least worst option.
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Speaker 4: But that's not consenting.
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Speaker 5: No, complying is not consenting.
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Speaker 6: Complying is letting him, is getting it over with so
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Speaker 6: that he didn't I don't I don't know what this
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Speaker 6: person is capable of.
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Speaker 1: I don't you know.
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Speaker 5: I don't think anybody does, And even people you know
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Speaker 5: for years and trust, you don't know the depths of
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Speaker 5: what they're capable of. And you were afraid for your safety, Yeah,
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Speaker 5: that was afraid for my safety.
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Speaker 3: Beyond not that rape isn't a horrific thing, but beyond.
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Speaker 5: Right, I didn't want to find out how unsafe I
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Speaker 5: could get that night, or how how harmed I could
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Speaker 5: be that night, So.
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Speaker 3: Soger, her allegation there is is pretty.
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Speaker 1: It's graphic.
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Speaker 3: It's graphic and very specific. So yeah, so effectively, she
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Speaker 3: says she reached out to him. He's maybe he's a
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Speaker 3: bar or whatever. He's obviously drinking. Whatever she said to him,
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Speaker 3: he took as an invitation to come over. She says, no, don't,
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Speaker 3: don't come over. Whether he saw that or not, he's
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Speaker 3: next thing, she knows, he's in her house.
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Speaker 1: Her house is unlocked. He shows up at her.
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Speaker 3: He just shows up.
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Speaker 1: She says, don't come here, right, he shouldn't be here, right, Yeah.
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Speaker 3: And then uh, and then she says she feels she's
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Speaker 3: he's so black out drunk looking that she feels afraid,
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Speaker 3: and so just she just complies, which Tapper then distinguishes
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Speaker 3: from consent. This so her version of the story. I
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Speaker 3: think as everybody hears it, everybody's like, yeah, that probably happened,
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Speaker 3: like that feels like that was definitely her experience of
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Speaker 3: how this went down, and she related to a friend
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Speaker 3: in I believe it was twenty twenty three. Yes, this
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Speaker 3: is which is very important because it's before his campaign starts,
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Speaker 3: and the friend is asking about him because she wants
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Speaker 3: to introduce a friend, a friend of hers, to him.
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Speaker 3: And she says, he can be charming and funny, and
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Speaker 3: he's a decently intelligent person. He's not all bad by
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Speaker 3: but I ended up in a bad situation with him,
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Speaker 3: and I will just very politely call him consensually careless
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Speaker 3: at times when drunk plus PTSD. And then she asks
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Speaker 3: because he forced himself on people, forces himself on people,
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Speaker 3: and she sends two responses. It appears that her response
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Speaker 3: to that is doesn't listen to you when drunk, and
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Speaker 3: so that to me is strong corroboration of her initial
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Speaker 3: claim that she reached out to him but then said no, no, no,
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Speaker 3: I don't actually want you to come over. He came
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Speaker 3: over anyway. She said I don't want to do this,
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Speaker 3: and then she was afraid he did it anyway. And
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Speaker 3: then she talks in the taper interview too about in
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Speaker 3: the morning, she says, so he slept over and in
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Speaker 3: the morning she says, do you even remember what happened
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Speaker 3: last night? And he says no, basically, and he had
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Speaker 3: tried to put his arm around her like and so
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Speaker 3: her impression is that he was just so blacked out
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Speaker 3: he doesn't remember any of it. She's like, I don't
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Speaker 3: ever want to speak to you again. He leaves. And
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Speaker 3: then a few weeks later, when she she wanted to
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Speaker 3: make sure she wasn't pregnant because he had against her wishes,
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Speaker 3: she she sends him an Instagram message saying like that
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Speaker 3: what you did was not over all right that night,
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Speaker 3: and then she waits for him to see it. It's seen.
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Speaker 3: He never responds, and then it's after he doesn't respond,
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Speaker 3: she like blocks him on Instagram, blocks him on text message.
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Speaker 3: Now that is her version because she's deleted her Instagram and.
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Speaker 1: She says she did because she doesn't want to think
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Speaker 1: about it anymore.
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Speaker 3: Right, as you can imagine, in a situation like this,
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Speaker 3: this is how our political system works at this moment.
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Speaker 3: Just it's just it's over, like the world, the world
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Speaker 3: just came down on him. You had everyone from kind
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Speaker 3: of Rocanna.
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Speaker 1: To Rehab that A seven put that up there on
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Speaker 1: the screen. Congressman Conna, who was probably one of the
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Speaker 1: i would say the biggest supporters of Grand Platner, along
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Speaker 1: with Bernie Sanders. I've been very clear that sexual assault
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Speaker 1: or violence against women as a red line. These allegations
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Speaker 1: are very serious and credible. Grand Platner should drop out
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Speaker 1: from the race. I am withdrawing my endorsement. And that
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Speaker 1: was paired with the probably more importantly for Platner's purposes,
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Speaker 1: was not just this, but we had Chuck Schumer and
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Speaker 1: Kristin Jilibrand, who's the head of the Democratic campaign to
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Speaker 1: elect senators, saying that they would pull money if he
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Speaker 1: did not drop out of the race, which is effectively
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Speaker 1: a death now. It means there would be no national
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Speaker 1: support in this competitive Senate race. So the Senate majority leader,
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Speaker 1: you also are the Senate leader, Chuck Schumer. You also
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Speaker 1: have Christian Gillibrand, you had a number of the super packs,
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Speaker 1: the big money efforts that were behind them. The main
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Speaker 1: Democratic Party leader also came out with a statement saying
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Speaker 1: that he should withdraw. So his political support in the
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Speaker 1: state and nationally has completely collab apps. He has yet
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Speaker 1: to announce that he is going to withdraw.
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Speaker 3: Right, And there's kind of two different things going on,
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Speaker 3: and he alludes to it or says references it directly
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Speaker 3: in his own statement. One is the litigation of the
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Speaker 3: allegations and there and what the consequences of those those
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Speaker 3: allegations should be. And then there's separately but obviously relatedly,
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Speaker 3: what the political impact of it is. And in our system,
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Speaker 3: it kind of doesn't matter like what you know, the
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Speaker 3: first doesn't matter for the second, because the second happens first,
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Speaker 3: the kind of the decision that this is over. And
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Speaker 3: I do think there's something troublingly kind of undemocratic about
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Speaker 3: having political campaigns getting you know, people get fired up,
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Speaker 3: and then if there is a damning story that comes
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Speaker 3: out in Politico and CNN together within an hour, everything
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Speaker 3: that all of those hundreds of thousands of people built
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Speaker 3: together blows up. And there's something I feel like as
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Speaker 3: a society we should be taking a beat on when
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Speaker 3: it comes to these questions. That's not the society we
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Speaker 3: live in.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this is really complicated, right, Like you
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Speaker 1: just said, it's two bros here who we're talking about it,
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Speaker 1: So it's a little difficult. We can only approach it
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Speaker 1: from our own perspective. Here's there's kind of like how
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Speaker 1: I would see it when I read this immediately, if
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Speaker 1: we're all being honest, there is not a ton of corroboration. Right,
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Speaker 1: we have the friend that persuisive, Yeah, in terms of
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Speaker 1: how she saw it, but in terms of she was
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Speaker 1: supposed to have told her therapist. The therapist did not
16:39
Speaker 1: respond to request for comment, right, so that was supposed
16:42
Speaker 1: to be an additional thing. The therapists did not back
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Speaker 1: up her story to Politico whenever she was asked, Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm not impugning this woman in any way. I'm just
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Speaker 1: saying we have to evaluate these things on its face.
16:51
Speaker 1: You're right. The Facebook messages and all of that exists. Now,
16:54
Speaker 1: she says that there was some text message in which
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Speaker 1: he felt like he was invited over. We don't know
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Speaker 1: the content of the message because she deleted it and
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Speaker 1: he has not released.
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Speaker 3: What was that message himself. And also, Jake Tapper, come on, yeah,
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Speaker 3: so you're interviewing this woman. The woman says, I sent
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Speaker 3: him a message that he interpreted to be an invitation
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Speaker 3: to come over. Right, you've been dating for two years.
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Speaker 3: What that message is is extremely It's very important, That's right.
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Speaker 3: We don't know what the Joon Tapper just blows right
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Speaker 3: past it.
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Speaker 1: Well, and look, this is part of the difficulty of
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Speaker 1: assessing all of these things, and you know, and I
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Speaker 1: think beyond all of it, because I'm trying to separate
17:30
Speaker 1: it just from this story to the wholesome thing. In
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Speaker 1: my opinion, if you're truly not guilty and this is
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Speaker 1: an outrage, why would you consider even dropping out? Why
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Speaker 1: wouldn't you vigorously defend yourself? Right, And the fact that
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Speaker 1: he feels so contrite in the message. You can see
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Speaker 1: it in his face, right, he doesn't usually talk that way.
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Speaker 1: And the fact that he's saying, I'm assessing the future
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Speaker 1: of my campaign. And now there's all these leaks that
17:54
Speaker 1: are coming out saying like, well, if Graham were to
17:56
Speaker 1: drop out, he would have to be replaced with somebody
17:58
Speaker 1: who's true to his values. Right, So there's some negotiation
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Speaker 1: in my again just my opinion, considering the vigorous defense
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Speaker 1: that he mounted after the original New York Time story
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Speaker 1: compared today night and day difference, which kind of tells me, hey,
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Speaker 1: at the very least, you know that something bad happened
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Speaker 1: that day. I also thought out there and that this
18:17
Speaker 1: more so that was the second thing. And let's put
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Speaker 1: it in the totality then, of what we know about Platner.
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Speaker 1: This is not some Brett Kavanaugh fifteen year old situation
18:25
Speaker 1: we're talking about. This was five years ago. I mean,
18:27
Speaker 1: this show was around whenever this allegedly happened, which is
18:30
Speaker 1: crazy saying, so this is very recent. This is literally
18:33
Speaker 1: the lifetime of breaking points. And this is somebody who
18:37
Speaker 1: admits to having a drinking problem PTSD, to engaging in
18:41
Speaker 1: these inappropriate relationships, even both while he was married. So
18:45
Speaker 1: not that long ago, only a year or so ago. Ultimately,
18:48
Speaker 1: this is about bad judgment and bad character. Now I
18:51
Speaker 1: am on the record talking about character judgment. I mean,
18:54
Speaker 1: to be honest, all of this behavior fits with a
18:57
Speaker 1: lot of the politicians that we know. You have to
18:59
Speaker 1: baseicly be a raging narcissist to even want to do
19:02
Speaker 1: this job. It also does what makes them good at it.
19:03
Speaker 1: That's what makes you be a good communicator and then
19:06
Speaker 1: barnstorm this state and get people fired up and all
19:09
Speaker 1: of that. Right, I'm just being real in terms of
19:11
Speaker 1: like the skill set, if you can read a history
19:13
Speaker 1: book for how it generally seems to manifest itself. Now,
19:16
Speaker 1: all of that said, the reason why I think Platiner
19:19
Speaker 1: is loadsome is two things. Is that, beyond the separate incident,
19:24
Speaker 1: so many people, you, Crystal, so many other people they
19:28
Speaker 1: stuck their necks out for Platter. So I was in
19:31
Speaker 1: Maine on vacation and I'm taking a walk in Portland.
19:35
Speaker 1: It's seven thirty am. There are two guys in the
19:39
Speaker 1: pouring it's pouring rain who are sitting there handing out
19:43
Speaker 1: free ice coffee for Grand Platiner. All right, they don't
19:45
Speaker 1: even have runcoats on. Maybe that's normal for me, it
19:48
Speaker 1: was crazy. And I think about those kids because I'm like,
19:51
Speaker 1: these guys they got themselves out of bed at seven
19:55
Speaker 1: thirty am just to stop random bypassers and give them
19:59
Speaker 1: iced coffee and say, let me tell you about the campaign.
20:02
Speaker 1: That's who Platiner betrayed. And when I say betrayed, it's
20:05
Speaker 1: not just in his behavior. It was his decision to
20:07
Speaker 1: run and it was secondary. Don't forget that. In that
20:09
Speaker 1: Politico story that broke a month ago, after Platiner meets
20:13
Speaker 1: with the entire Democratic Caucus, Elizabeth Warren asked him straight up,
20:16
Speaker 1: She's like, look, be honest here man, what else is
20:19
Speaker 1: out there? And he said, there is nothing else that
20:22
Speaker 1: is out there. There are no more scandals. And it
20:24
Speaker 1: was based on that word which many of his supporters
20:28
Speaker 1: took to the bank that if you knew that you
20:31
Speaker 1: were doing some stuff like this, again, not twenty five
20:33
Speaker 1: years ago, I'm talking about five years ago. If you
20:36
Speaker 1: knew that you were rolling around blackout drunk, you know,
20:39
Speaker 1: and very questionable sexual relationships with a bunch of different
20:42
Speaker 1: women all across Maine. Dude, you don't you know this
20:45
Speaker 1: is the post me too era, You who knew that
20:48
Speaker 1: there was some stuff out there, and frankly especially, I
20:51
Speaker 1: mean a message like that. The fact that you didn't
20:52
Speaker 1: even respond, allegedly, according to her, that he didn't respond
20:55
Speaker 1: to that, that's piece of shit behavior. That's right, at
20:57
Speaker 1: the very least, you should say, I'm very sorry that
20:59
Speaker 1: you felt that way.
21:00
Speaker 3: I don't know, I mean something right, and it cuts
21:02
Speaker 3: against his deeply narcissistic cut. It cuts against the story
21:06
Speaker 3: that he's been telling of ofem redemption because if he
21:09
Speaker 3: is finding redemption in community, which was the part of
21:13
Speaker 3: the story that that's so kind of moved me that.
21:17
Speaker 1: Well, you knew him, so I'm curious for how you feel.
21:19
Speaker 1: I mean, you've known him for a long time. I
21:21
Speaker 1: can relate. I've also known politicians who you know, really
21:24
Speaker 1: stab you in the back, you stick your neck out
21:26
Speaker 1: for them, and then you, yeah, really you feel burned.
21:28
Speaker 1: So I get it to not to.
21:30
Speaker 3: Not respond to that message, to not just sit down
21:33
Speaker 3: and have coffee, right and just hear her like, apparently
21:39
Speaker 3: he doesn't remember any of this, right, then ask her
21:42
Speaker 3: tell me what, like what happened? Like, let me let
21:44
Speaker 3: me hear from you what happened? Like? To just completely
21:47
Speaker 3: ignore cuts against this idea that he is.
21:49
Speaker 1: She's not on birth control, so she's sitting around Wayiam,
21:52
Speaker 1: did I get pregnant? And I mean, God's horrific. I
21:55
Speaker 1: mean that is that is terrific.
21:57
Speaker 3: It's not good. And relatedly, and I bet he would
22:01
Speaker 3: agree with this. When he moved back to Maine, he
22:04
Speaker 3: starts oystering and he's starting to kind of find his
22:07
Speaker 3: meaning and purpose. Guy should have quit drinking, and he
22:10
Speaker 3: has talked about his problems with alcohol abuse. The problem
22:14
Speaker 3: with talking about that is that he's still drinking exactly,
22:19
Speaker 3: and it's not obvious that it's like under control. Certainly,
22:23
Speaker 3: wasn't that night like that, There's absolutely no question about that.
22:29
Speaker 3: To your point about the people who were so driven
22:33
Speaker 3: to support him, when those people sort of dropping, it's
22:38
Speaker 3: one thing when the politicians leave you because they have
22:42
Speaker 3: their own self preservation to.
22:43
Speaker 1: Think they hate him, they hated him anyways, Well.
22:46
Speaker 3: Yes that's true, but not all of them, in the
22:48
Speaker 3: ones that liked him, have their they have their own
22:50
Speaker 3: interests as well. The volunteers who are just there for
22:54
Speaker 3: him and his movement, more particularly the movement and the
22:57
Speaker 3: message that he's living, they were dropping very quickly. Put
23:02
Speaker 3: this next elements. It's a six. This is from Nathan Bernard,
23:05
Speaker 3: drop site reporter who's been covering the race for US
23:09
Speaker 3: flagged a bunch of these. This is volunteered discuss Yes,
23:14
Speaker 3: and like one person says, for instance, I don't necessarily
23:17
Speaker 3: want Graham to win. I want his parentheses, our political
23:21
Speaker 3: ideas to win. He is not coming back from this,
23:24
Speaker 3: and we should find someone to carry the ideals now.
23:27
Speaker 3: People can be flawed, This is the discord of the volunteers.
23:29
Speaker 3: People can be flawed and become better, But hanging your
23:32
Speaker 3: movement on the coattails of somebody credibly accused of sexual
23:34
Speaker 3: assault is the exact thing we are trying to do
23:37
Speaker 3: better than. Another person says, if this is all true,
23:41
Speaker 3: I am obviously the most heartbroken for this poor woman
23:43
Speaker 3: who lived through something no woman should ever have to endure.
23:46
Speaker 3: But I'm also, to a lesser extent, heartbroken for all
23:49
Speaker 3: the volunteers who believed in Graham, his message in his
23:52
Speaker 3: campaign and really thought he was a vehicle for change.
23:55
Speaker 3: And I'm ashamed I supported someone who could do something
23:57
Speaker 3: like that. Again, waiting for more to come out and
23:59
Speaker 3: not rush to a snap judgment. But this is my
24:01
Speaker 3: gut reaction. Another person's Graham had great policies. I hope
24:05
Speaker 3: someone whose characters character aligns with those policies steps up.
24:10
Speaker 3: I mean, another person is I'm in so much pain,
24:12
Speaker 3: and other says he needs to drop out now. And
24:14
Speaker 3: the whole thing is really heartbreaking. And this was the
24:17
Speaker 3: sentiment kind of across the across the volunteer chat, that
24:23
Speaker 3: a feeling of betrayal, but also a commitment that what
24:27
Speaker 3: they were fighting for was bigger than bigger than just
24:30
Speaker 3: one one person. They very quickly started gravitating towards we
24:36
Speaker 3: can put up the next element here. This is also
24:39
Speaker 3: from Nathan Bernard. People saying this is very early on
24:45
Speaker 3: good run. Guys back Troy Jackson. Another person says Troy
24:49
Speaker 3: has virtually the same politics. I feel like he's the
24:51
Speaker 3: obvious answer. Anyone else that reads has a more establishment
24:54
Speaker 3: picked and we're definitely cooked. Honestly, somebody else says having
24:59
Speaker 3: him into or someone like Troy could be an interesting
25:01
Speaker 3: moment to see how this kind of politics polls without
25:04
Speaker 3: any baggage. And in the Troy Jackson discord, people started
25:11
Speaker 3: popping too because there is this is tell us about
25:15
Speaker 3: Troy Jackson. Troy Jackson. So he's a really interesting case.
25:19
Speaker 3: He You would actually like him because listen to this.
25:26
Speaker 3: He got his start in politics. He was politicized as
25:31
Speaker 3: an anti immigrant activist. Really wow, now there's some content,
25:37
Speaker 3: there's some contours to this. He's a lagger from northern Maine.
25:42
Speaker 3: So in the late nineteen nineties, Canada and Maine got
25:47
Speaker 3: in a fight over over labor rights, and a bunch
25:52
Speaker 3: of Canadian laggers started taking jobs at dangerous working condition
26:00
Speaker 3: and lower pay from Maine laggers. And so when I
26:04
Speaker 3: say anti immigrant, he's anti Canadian immigrants. Yeah, exactly, you know,
26:10
Speaker 3: discriminate your anti immigrant. And so he is at the time,
26:15
Speaker 3: basically not politically, he's in the Union of Laggers and
26:19
Speaker 3: he participates in protests and even civil disobedience. After that,
26:23
Speaker 3: they filed something like one hundred and thirty seven complaints
26:27
Speaker 3: through different you know, OSHA labor boards and otherwise fighting
26:31
Speaker 3: against what they saw as the Canadian exploitation of Canadian
26:35
Speaker 3: migrant labor. And they were getting nowhere, so they started
26:39
Speaker 3: engaging in civil disobedience as well. Then then he gets
26:43
Speaker 3: into politics and he runs for the state legislature as
26:47
Speaker 3: a Republican. That's what I'm saying, you really love him.
26:50
Speaker 3: He loses a very close race against this very entrenched Democrat.
26:54
Speaker 3: It's one of these rural main areas that had been
26:57
Speaker 3: Democratic for decades. He then runs the next cycle as
27:01
Speaker 3: an independent and beats the Democrat, so unseats this guy.
27:06
Speaker 3: Over time, he converts then to a Democrat. He then
27:13
Speaker 3: ends up becoming president of the Senate. Like so he
27:17
Speaker 3: becomes like a significant figure in the state, as significant
27:23
Speaker 3: as you can be in a small state like that,
27:24
Speaker 3: but his president's Senate. He ran for a governor in
27:29
Speaker 3: this cycle, and he came very close to winning because
27:33
Speaker 3: the rank choice voting process, it looked like very much
27:36
Speaker 3: had a chance even after election day to end up
27:40
Speaker 3: end up with a nomination. He felt a little bit short.
27:43
Speaker 3: Plattner endorsed him, he endorsed Platina. They kind of ran
27:46
Speaker 3: together as this working class ticket, and people would often
27:49
Speaker 3: say that Troy Jackson was what people thought Platner was
27:54
Speaker 3: because Platner had this complicated background where his dad's a lawyer,
28:00
Speaker 3: a rich kid. He spent a year at the Hotchkiss
28:03
Speaker 3: right then he goes to the Marines, whereas Troy Jackson,
28:08
Speaker 3: his mom was sixteen.
28:09
Speaker 1: It's like actual lagger.
28:11
Speaker 3: You mean he did.
28:13
Speaker 1: It's not for me to decide who's a real manor
28:15
Speaker 1: but you guys can.
28:16
Speaker 3: His mom was sixteen when she had him. He went
28:17
Speaker 3: to community college, and then he became a lagger, right like,
28:21
Speaker 3: So that that's that's a that's a kind of more
28:26
Speaker 3: straightforward understanding of what that.
28:28
Speaker 1: But the question now is, and this is part of it.
28:30
Speaker 1: This is look, I mean, to your point, you're not wrong,
28:33
Speaker 1: Like there is an undemocratic nature to this the current traction.
28:36
Speaker 1: You tell correct me if I'm wrong. As I understand it,
28:38
Speaker 1: main Democratic Party is considering doing some sort of super
28:41
Speaker 1: delegate convention where they get to decide who the nominee
28:45
Speaker 1: is going to be. I mean, I gotta be honest,
28:48
Speaker 1: I do have a problem with that, like that is
28:50
Speaker 1: a little bit like what happened with Biden and Kamalaw
28:53
Speaker 1: and it's kind of a disaster. And so no, no, no,
28:55
Speaker 1: it's not at all or sorry, no, you're right, because
28:57
Speaker 1: there wasn't even a super delegate process, So you tell me.
29:00
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know the composition of the main
29:02
Speaker 1: Democratic Party. Is it the similar nature? I mean, because
29:05
Speaker 1: he's Janet Mills. Obviously it did not look like Platner
29:08
Speaker 1: was beloved by the main Democratic establishment. He was a
29:11
Speaker 1: total outsider who ran overwhelmingly won the primary. However, you know,
29:16
Speaker 1: now you basically have the hands back in the establishment,
29:19
Speaker 1: you know, for not just Janet Mills, but all these
29:21
Speaker 1: super delegate people, and they're gonna choose like one of
29:23
Speaker 1: the people apparently who's being floated is like well Biden's
29:26
Speaker 1: CDC director. I mean, so it doesn't take a political
29:29
Speaker 1: genius to say that may be a little bit of
29:31
Speaker 1: a problem up in Maine, just my opinion.
29:34
Speaker 3: Shot, yeah, yeah, yeah, which and which is funny. Somebody
29:39
Speaker 3: somebody asked nerov Shaw on Twitter yesterday, is would you
29:45
Speaker 3: take a pac money and Israel committing a genocide? And
29:48
Speaker 3: immediately he's like they're committing a genocide, wouldn't take a
29:50
Speaker 3: pac money. So it's funny like now you have political
29:54
Speaker 3: candidates pandering in the opposite direction. Like I don't know
29:57
Speaker 3: whether he believes that or not, but he clearly understands
30:01
Speaker 3: that given the momentum that Graham Platner had, like you're
30:05
Speaker 3: you're not You're not getting into this position with public support.
30:09
Speaker 3: Maybe you can get it. The established could force you
30:11
Speaker 3: on on the party, but you're gonna lose then at
30:14
Speaker 3: that point.
30:14
Speaker 1: Like you need Yeah, but it's one of those where
30:17
Speaker 1: you know, it's is it? I look, I don't know anything.
30:20
Speaker 1: So for me cc director under COVID, I'm like.
30:23
Speaker 3: No, it's I think that's ridiculous. Yeah, certainly he's in
30:26
Speaker 3: the running. I think it would be ridiculous if if
30:28
Speaker 3: he ran for governor as well, it didn't did not win,
30:33
Speaker 3: it would be ridiculous if he if they go, if
30:36
Speaker 3: they go with him, But but so they happen until
30:39
Speaker 3: the thirteenth or fourteenth for Planner to drop out six days. Yeah,
30:43
Speaker 3: and so he has leverage in that sense because if
30:46
Speaker 3: he doesn't drop out, like then they lose the seat.
30:49
Speaker 3: So he can he can say, look, I will drop
30:52
Speaker 3: out in exchange. And this is my understanding of what's
30:55
Speaker 3: going on. I will drop out in exchange for this Jackson,
30:59
Speaker 3: maybe for accent or for a genuinely fair process that
31:05
Speaker 3: allows the real grassroots energy in the party to pick
31:10
Speaker 3: at a kind of shotgun rapid convention to pick a
31:14
Speaker 3: nominee that and that's not just Janet Mills his team
31:19
Speaker 3: picking somebody and a Mills. As far as I can tell,
31:22
Speaker 3: nobody's interested in her being the nominee, and she's not
31:24
Speaker 3: interested in being the nominee.
31:25
Speaker 1: It seem I think she's not obtuse enough to try
31:27
Speaker 1: to obtain it. But I mean, long story short, but
31:29
Speaker 1: I yeah, go.
31:30
Speaker 3: So in twenty twenty four, even I was urging Democrats
31:35
Speaker 3: to have this snap convention, like just have a three
31:37
Speaker 3: week mini primary, fight it out on CNN, do the polls,
31:41
Speaker 3: and then let the delegates vote. And yes, there's Superdells,
31:45
Speaker 3: but there's also delegates. So a lot of these party
31:47
Speaker 3: activists in Maine and part and county chairs and county
31:52
Speaker 3: vice chairs like they liked Graham Platner a lot, they
31:55
Speaker 3: didn't like Mills. Obviously, Mills lost, So maybe let that
32:00
Speaker 3: process play out that has to happen I think by
32:02
Speaker 3: the twenty sixth and seventh or something like that, so
32:04
Speaker 3: the end, so it has to happen fairly quickly. But
32:07
Speaker 3: you could then say, okay, here the you're off Shot
32:10
Speaker 3: wants to get in, Troy Jackson wants to get in.
32:13
Speaker 3: We go to the convention, and there will be polling
32:16
Speaker 3: at the same time. So it's so even though it's
32:18
Speaker 3: not a statewide vote, Like right there's a poll circulating
32:23
Speaker 3: right now that shows Jackson beating Collins by five and
32:27
Speaker 3: he's he has the highest gap head to head of
32:30
Speaker 3: of any of the other ones that are being floated.
32:33
Speaker 3: We're going to continue to see those polls get published
32:35
Speaker 3: between now and the end of July, and that will
32:38
Speaker 3: factor into how these these state party acts.
32:41
Speaker 1: I will say, having just uh, you know, there is
32:43
Speaker 1: a very competitive primary. Not a lot of signs. They're
32:46
Speaker 1: like they're like like not just like no signs, like
32:49
Speaker 1: no political side. It's nice still, thank you mainers.
32:51
Speaker 3: It's beautiful. It's beautiful.
32:53
Speaker 1: It's like everyone's the weather's just so good. They're like,
32:55
Speaker 1: forget about it, We're all just going to hang out.
32:57
Speaker 1: You know, I'm curious. You know what you if you
33:00
Speaker 1: want to go into any of it, just like how
33:02
Speaker 1: should the left be thinking about because I think there's
33:05
Speaker 1: probably a lot of people out there who are very heartbroken,
33:07
Speaker 1: and you know, I mean, does it make you assess
33:09
Speaker 1: like how how handle the Lindsay Fifield thing and good
33:13
Speaker 1: questions about his care because to be honest, for me,
33:16
Speaker 1: I thought that the New York Times story was bullshit.
33:19
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that about Lindsay. I'm saying this
33:22
Speaker 1: is total he said, she said, this isn't the fact
33:24
Speaker 1: that she's Republican, and you could say soger, but this
33:27
Speaker 1: one is like that too, And I'm like, you're right,
33:29
Speaker 1: but it's a little bit different, like when we're talking
33:31
Speaker 1: about forcible rape versus like oh, he grabbed my arm
33:35
Speaker 1: and a drunken situation. I mean, you have no idea
33:37
Speaker 1: right in something like that, and this one, you know,
33:40
Speaker 1: it's it's like the kind of the implications are so rim.
33:44
Speaker 1: It's basically a crime, right, this being a led share
33:46
Speaker 1: like a category one felony or whatever, classic felony. So
33:50
Speaker 1: the question I think is, I mean, the red crumbs
33:53
Speaker 1: were there, like when we put this one with the
33:54
Speaker 1: rest of them, it does make sense and I think
33:56
Speaker 1: that's the problem. It's like, yeah, drunken behavior, sexual philanderer, bad,
34:01
Speaker 1: you know, bad judgment with the with the tattoo, which
34:04
Speaker 1: can we all just acknowledge he knew it was a
34:05
Speaker 1: Nazi tattoo. Ran he obviously when he got it.
34:09
Speaker 3: Huh, he got it.
34:10
Speaker 1: I think he learned at some point, dude, he knew
34:12
Speaker 1: it was not everybody in the Marine Cop Here's here's
34:14
Speaker 1: his defense. There are a bunch of Marine Corps guys
34:16
Speaker 1: who have the same tattoo. All right, I mean I
34:19
Speaker 1: don't particularly can't.
34:20
Speaker 3: Bud said either.
34:21
Speaker 1: Come on, like this is very good Marine scout snipers,
34:24
Speaker 1: all these other people. They brag about it. They're like
34:26
Speaker 1: it's a total cop tattoo for them. You know, it's
34:28
Speaker 1: like they can give you a whole explanation about wafting
34:30
Speaker 1: SS versus SS whatever. All right. You know at the
34:34
Speaker 1: are they truly Nazis in their heart?
34:36
Speaker 5: No?
34:36
Speaker 1: I don't think so. And like that's what it came
34:38
Speaker 1: down to. But I'm saying his adrenaline adventure seeking total
34:43
Speaker 1: you know, look, he joined Blackwater or whatever it was called.
34:46
Speaker 1: He was an adrenaline junkie. He had bad judgment, He
34:48
Speaker 1: was an alcoholic, like, you know, the signs were there, right, Yeah.
34:51
Speaker 3: I'm kind of two minds of it. On the one hand,
34:54
Speaker 3: the people who were saying there are red flags everywhere,
34:58
Speaker 3: beware are obviously vindicated like that their their spider sense
35:04
Speaker 3: went off. They sense something and now yeah, so they
35:10
Speaker 3: can say I told you so. At the same time,
35:13
Speaker 3: I do want to draw a line at where exactly
35:18
Speaker 3: were you getting those red flags? If it's if it's
35:21
Speaker 3: that he codes as this gruff kind of working class guy,
35:25
Speaker 3: I do not want to concede that therefore he's probably
35:31
Speaker 3: a rapist, right, and that we need and we need
35:33
Speaker 3: to just kind of cordon off all of those people
35:37
Speaker 3: from our from decent society. And so that's right. So
35:39
Speaker 3: I do not regret at all drawing drawing that line.
35:43
Speaker 3: You you meet people where they are, and then when
35:46
Speaker 3: new information emerges, you evaluate that information. You do not
35:51
Speaker 3: assume the worst about a person based on how they look.
35:55
Speaker 3: Like this is America. We understand that for every gender
36:00
Speaker 3: and race. We have to also apply that to white
36:02
Speaker 3: working class men as well. Yes, So on the other hand,
36:08
Speaker 3: when people are like, well, yeah, but if you look
36:09
Speaker 3: at some of the Reddit posts and you get deeper
36:12
Speaker 3: into them, you see some real dehumanizing language, and that
36:16
Speaker 3: that is the red flag I'm talking about for somebody
36:19
Speaker 3: who says that, I'm like, okay, you.
36:20
Speaker 1: Know what, Yeah, that right, Remember that that's being born
36:23
Speaker 1: as anecdot where he's like, I want somebody to break
36:25
Speaker 1: in so I can rape them. Like it looks a
36:27
Speaker 1: little different now, right, you know. It's like, and I mean,
36:30
Speaker 1: I think you're right, is we have to meet people
36:32
Speaker 1: where they are. His story was one of redemption. This
36:35
Speaker 1: was five years ago. Man. I'm not saying you can't
36:37
Speaker 1: redeem yourself, but it's like, dude, you're a full blown alcoholic. Obviously,
36:40
Speaker 1: your problems, your PTSD. We can all understand that. You know,
36:44
Speaker 1: anybody who has dealt with veterans. However, you know some
36:47
Speaker 1: behavior is genuinely like it's bad, right, And it's one
36:50
Speaker 1: of those, And.
36:51
Speaker 3: It's also pretty deep into his redemption arc. Obviously, redemption
36:56
Speaker 3: is not one day you wake up and you're a
36:57
Speaker 3: good person.
36:58
Speaker 5: Right.
36:59
Speaker 3: On the other hand, this is like an extreme violation
37:02
Speaker 3: and it's pretty far into after having gone back and
37:05
Speaker 3: doing the right he's alwaysterring. He's with his community, his family,
37:11
Speaker 3: so and yeah, I do think it goes back to
37:15
Speaker 3: the self medicating with alcohol and alcohol abuse. Yeah, and that.
37:19
Speaker 1: Which is not an excuse for what he did not
37:21
Speaker 1: at all. Yeah, we can see here. So I don't know.
37:24
Speaker 1: I mean I really do because I met some of
37:27
Speaker 1: them in Portland. They were so excited. That's where my platinum. Man,
37:32
Speaker 1: You're lowesome because you fucked those people like you. They
37:36
Speaker 1: went out there literally in the pouring rain to go
37:38
Speaker 1: and to talk to people, and you told them nothing
37:41
Speaker 1: else was coming, and you betrayed their trust. And a
37:43
Speaker 1: lot of other people stuck their next out for you
37:45
Speaker 1: and a lot of other people, And it's like, man
37:47
Speaker 1: like that to me, there is no higher crime than
37:49
Speaker 1: that as a politician, because people believe in and I
37:51
Speaker 1: felt this way. You know, when you believe in somebody
37:53
Speaker 1: and it's not that they stab you in the back
37:55
Speaker 1: because they betrayed what they told you that they were
37:57
Speaker 1: going to do. I mean, there's no there's no higher crime,
37:59
Speaker 1: right especially on the fringes. At the same time, I
38:03
Speaker 1: do want to say all these people, Pearl Clutching and Washington,
38:06
Speaker 1: you better be real careful, all right, because you know,
38:08
Speaker 1: I've heard plenty of stories about a lot of different
38:10
Speaker 1: people who are you know, just because just because you're
38:15
Speaker 1: doing it while you're wearing a tuxedo and you've got
38:18
Speaker 1: the power broker behind you doesn't make it better, I'm saying.
38:21
Speaker 3: And I do think as a society, I do think
38:25
Speaker 3: we need to sit with this rush, this this very
38:28
Speaker 3: fast rush to judgment that we do.
38:30
Speaker 4: Right.
38:30
Speaker 1: It's yeah, I've always been anti me too. This is
38:36
Speaker 1: it's because you know, it gets completely out of control.
38:39
Speaker 1: I will say, though, you know, in the pantheon of
38:41
Speaker 1: all of them like this, because this accusation is in
38:45
Speaker 1: Weinstein territory, not a z's on sorry in territory right,
38:49
Speaker 1: If you'll recall, there's a big different right, and so
38:52
Speaker 1: there's breadcrumbs that were kind of a z'son sorry ish
38:55
Speaker 1: to the middle, and I have this. It does make
38:58
Speaker 1: it genuinely, gnuinely different. So there you go. That's our
39:02
Speaker 1: our long take, and you know, I hope it was
39:05
Speaker 1: helpful and for everybody thinking about it, we're going to
39:08
Speaker 1: do a hard left turn. Let's go to FIFA. Turning
39:13
Speaker 1: down to FIFA. For those of you who stayed up
39:15
Speaker 1: late to watch Team USA lose to Belgium late four
39:18
Speaker 1: to one, very late from Oh my god, all right,
39:20
Speaker 1: let's put this one up here on the screen there.
39:23
Speaker 1: It is four to one, one of which was a
39:26
Speaker 1: humiliating goal against the United States. This all despite President
39:31
Speaker 1: Trump's intervention on behalf of Team USA for this huge game,
39:36
Speaker 1: which took place in Seattle yesterday we had I know,
39:39
Speaker 1: you guys covered it, and Ryan you cheered it. I
39:41
Speaker 1: cheered it on as well. For once you know you
39:43
Speaker 1: use corruption to benefit the country.
39:46
Speaker 3: I also think I defend it.
39:48
Speaker 1: You should defend and you know why, because you know
39:51
Speaker 1: this is what look I mean, I'm not a huge
39:52
Speaker 1: soccer president. Even before this, I did not watch a
39:55
Speaker 1: lot of the World Cup. It was while I was off.
39:57
Speaker 1: Some of my family were watching it and that kind
39:59
Speaker 1: of you know, I got bitten by the bug and
40:01
Speaker 1: this is a higher stakes knockout and all that. So
40:03
Speaker 1: I started watching some more of the games and it
40:05
Speaker 1: genuinely was fun, really fun to root for a team USA.
40:07
Speaker 1: So I do actually think it was one of those
40:09
Speaker 1: moments where you know, say what you will. Kamalo would
40:12
Speaker 1: not have gotten the red card. Okay, we all know it,
40:15
Speaker 1: like we know this, She's not making that call. She
40:17
Speaker 1: would never make the call, and she would not win
40:21
Speaker 1: the Viva Peace Prize, the most coveted prize that there is.
40:26
Speaker 1: So here's Trump confirming. Yes, I mean, I guess we
40:29
Speaker 1: should meditate here on the Trump curse because remember the
40:32
Speaker 1: one Knicks game that he went to if they lost,
40:35
Speaker 1: and now the one game where he put his thumb
40:36
Speaker 1: on the scale we lost. Iet I forget who said
40:39
Speaker 1: it's like a part in my take thing where they're like,
40:41
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why you should never go to
40:44
Speaker 1: automatic refing is because fans need something to blame, like
40:49
Speaker 1: we need fee, you know, we need to be like
40:51
Speaker 1: it was total bullshit balgain like it with the Regor,
40:54
Speaker 1: we would have won that game. And now you're like,
40:57
Speaker 1: I don't know, what can you say?
40:59
Speaker 3: It's a disa we need we need that hope.
41:02
Speaker 1: But here's Trump confirming, and I think you know this
41:05
Speaker 1: isn't just gonna be about the Team USA loss. It's
41:07
Speaker 1: actually about how Trump has opened up this can of
41:09
Speaker 1: worms where now every major leader in the world is
41:14
Speaker 1: trying to use their influence on FIFA and is actually
41:18
Speaker 1: doing it to to some effects. So here's Trump talking
41:21
Speaker 1: about his phone call with FIFA's Infantino, specifically about how
41:27
Speaker 1: he pressured him to take the Balgan red card away.
41:29
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.
41:30
Speaker 4: You're asking me about the whole suck.
41:32
Speaker 7: So, yeah, I did. I spoke to Johnny, who's highly respected.
41:37
Speaker 7: I saw the play, and I'm a person that loves
41:41
Speaker 7: sports and who's a good athlete, and I understand sports
41:45
Speaker 7: really well, really well. And that wasn't a foul. That
41:51
Speaker 7: wasn't even an infraction. That was two guys running full
41:54
Speaker 7: speed that happened to crash into each other. You can't
41:57
Speaker 7: take your foot and properly place it on somebody else
42:00
Speaker 7: his foot when you're going. No, these were two great
42:03
Speaker 7: athletes that got tangled up. And this referee who is
42:12
Speaker 7: a little bit suspect if you check his if you
42:15
Speaker 7: check his past. I don't want to say that because
42:18
Speaker 7: I don't like to create controversy, but very suspect. If
42:24
Speaker 7: you'd like, I'll provide you with the past. He made
42:27
Speaker 7: a call that nobody could believe, you know, even people
42:31
Speaker 7: on the other side they say, oh, we got lucky, wow,
42:34
Speaker 7: And it's very interesting. They say, they don't show him
42:37
Speaker 7: in slow motion, And I never realized that I've never
42:39
Speaker 7: heard of that before, that they're not allowed to review
42:42
Speaker 7: in slow motion because it's so different, because you'll take
42:44
Speaker 7: one little quarter of a second and you'll see that
42:47
Speaker 7: a hand is touching a neck or you see something. Yes,
42:51
Speaker 7: I asked for a review by FIFA. I spoke to
42:55
Speaker 7: a man who's highly respected and by the way, whose
42:57
Speaker 7: level of respect has gone up tenfold. This game would
43:02
Speaker 7: have a big mark on it if we lost. If
43:05
Speaker 7: we want no matter what happened, you have to let
43:09
Speaker 7: them use their best players. And the game tonight's gonna
43:13
Speaker 7: be amazing and we're gonna have a full team, and
43:15
Speaker 7: Belgium is gonna have a full team. And you know what,
43:17
Speaker 7: if they beat us, then they can be really proud.
43:21
Speaker 7: The other way, if they beat us, we'll say it
43:24
Speaker 7: was I say it was rigged, just like the election
43:27
Speaker 7: was rigged in twenty twenty.
43:28
Speaker 1: But Trump the athlete describing his his funk, I mean
43:31
Speaker 1: he objectively, the red card was complete. Bs right, if
43:34
Speaker 1: you have to agree, yeah, right. So what was funny
43:38
Speaker 1: though about this was everyone in American leadership was very
43:43
Speaker 1: high on the hog because they really believed this is it,
43:45
Speaker 1: We're gonna win. And so for example, here's the Secretary
43:48
Speaker 1: of State. Let's put this one up here on the screen.
43:51
Speaker 1: Secretary of State Rubio he was at a meeting yesterday.
43:53
Speaker 1: We'd play the audio for you, but it's really messed up.
43:55
Speaker 1: He was a meeting at the State Department today. Him
43:58
Speaker 1: and Trump are actually meeting with an Ankra with the
44:02
Speaker 1: entire NATO delegation, and so he will come face to
44:05
Speaker 1: face with the practice. I think it's Prime Minister right
44:08
Speaker 1: of Belgium, and Rubio here says, maybe turning it into
44:11
Speaker 1: an international incident. I don't know. Maybe we'll bring it
44:13
Speaker 1: up at NATO tomorrow with the Belgians and everybody else. Quote,
44:16
Speaker 1: if you're Belgium, why would you want to play a
44:18
Speaker 1: game and win a match? And then everybody will argue
44:21
Speaker 1: that you didn't really win it, right, And so yeah,
44:24
Speaker 1: I agree, right, I mean, we should have had it
44:26
Speaker 1: so that there we could all blame the fact that
44:29
Speaker 1: he did not show up and we also had this
44:32
Speaker 1: just some other hilarious stuff here. In terms of FIFA,
44:36
Speaker 1: let's put B five up here on the screen. The
44:38
Speaker 1: President of FIFA, Gianni Inventino. He says, I have seen
44:42
Speaker 1: the public comments regarding the decision of independent FIFA Disciplinary
44:46
Speaker 1: Committee related to the suspension of Valigan, and I would
44:49
Speaker 1: like to reiterate a fundamental principle of FIFA governance. FIFA's
44:52
Speaker 1: judicial bodies are independent. They operate autonomously, apply the disciplinary
44:57
Speaker 1: code and decide cases based on the applicable regulations and
45:01
Speaker 1: specific facts before them. Their independence is essential to the
45:05
Speaker 1: credibility and integrity of football and this must always be respected. Yes,
45:09
Speaker 1: I regularly discuss matters related to the FIFA World Cup
45:13
Speaker 1: with the President of the United States, and on this
45:15
Speaker 1: matter I did receive a call from President Trump, just
45:18
Speaker 1: as I receive calls from heads of state, government officials,
45:21
Speaker 1: football stakeholders and business executives from around the world on
45:24
Speaker 1: many different issues. During our conversation, I explained that there
45:27
Speaker 1: was an ongoing legal process involving FIFA independent judicial body
45:31
Speaker 1: and that the case would be decided in due course.
45:33
Speaker 1: That is how the FIFA system works and as a
45:35
Speaker 1: principle I will always uphold. So, he says, I even
45:38
Speaker 1: read the decision sometimes and I am surprised. Sometimes I agree,
45:41
Speaker 1: and sometimes I disagree, And he says, Finally, respect for
45:45
Speaker 1: independent institutions and the rule of law is what protects
45:48
Speaker 1: the integrity of our competitions and the credibility of FIFA
45:52
Speaker 1: at all times. And you will be shocked to learn
45:55
Speaker 1: that even even step Bladder, who is one of the
45:59
Speaker 1: most corrupt you know, FIFA officials literally of all time,
46:03
Speaker 1: had said that you can't be doing this. So let's
46:06
Speaker 1: put the B six up here on the screen, he says.
46:09
Speaker 1: Red cards are not overturned by political phone calls. They
46:12
Speaker 1: are overturned by rules, evidence and independent bodies. If a
46:15
Speaker 1: US president intervenes with the FIFA president and a player
46:18
Speaker 1: is suddenly cleared before a World Cup knockout match, the
46:21
Speaker 1: question is unavoidable. I cannot say these were It was
46:24
Speaker 1: a quo vadi FIFA. Football must never become a playground
46:28
Speaker 1: for political power. So there you have it, right, set
46:31
Speaker 1: Bladder is calling you out.
46:33
Speaker 3: You have a problem, you have so fun Well, first
46:36
Speaker 3: of all, the credibility of FIFA is such a funny phrase. Yes,
46:39
Speaker 3: getting exactly the credibility of FIFA. On the other hand,
46:43
Speaker 3: I don't know whether or not the people in the
46:47
Speaker 3: US understand like how this is perceived internationally, Like it's
46:53
Speaker 3: just it just looks like the most kind of grotesque
46:58
Speaker 3: and blunt bullying from a bull and a bull in
47:03
Speaker 3: a FIFA China shop here, Like, also, I think you're
47:08
Speaker 3: not supposed to get caught this blatantly trying to exert
47:12
Speaker 3: political influence, Like you're supposed to like meet at the
47:15
Speaker 3: Four Seasons and talk about a future contract that you're
47:20
Speaker 3: going to give to whatever quote unquote independent judge is
47:24
Speaker 3: on this football panel. See I remember it. Miraculously they
47:28
Speaker 3: get this contract and all of a sudden they're living.
47:30
Speaker 3: They've got a really nice vacation home in Greece somewhere
47:34
Speaker 3: you don't but we're just so like Trump is just so,
47:39
Speaker 3: he's corrupt from the chest.
47:41
Speaker 1: He's in this case though, don't even prefer it. You're like, yeah,
47:44
Speaker 1: I called him. He's like, we're the host country. It's bullshit.
47:46
Speaker 1: I'm the most powerful leader in the world. No, we
47:48
Speaker 1: can't be having this soon.
47:49
Speaker 3: As soon the story came out, I knew, like, yeah, oh, well,
47:52
Speaker 3: Suan Trump has the press conference, We're going to hear
47:55
Speaker 3: all the details of disruption. If he was Nixon, he
47:58
Speaker 3: would never talk about it, right, No Trump would know.
48:00
Speaker 3: But if Trump were president in the seventies, You're like, yeah,
48:03
Speaker 3: he's like, I want I sent the I sent my
48:06
Speaker 3: guys into Ellsberg's psychiatrist's office because he's crazy, and I
48:12
Speaker 3: wanted to prove it to the American people. And the
48:15
Speaker 3: DNC is trying to rig the economy and they're in
48:17
Speaker 3: the watergate. So I sent my guys in there.
48:19
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean.
48:22
Speaker 3: Right, yes, that's it.
48:24
Speaker 1: That's it. That's it. But here's my favorite part is, now,
48:27
Speaker 1: let's put B seven up here on the screen. Is
48:30
Speaker 1: after this whole situation, the French of Football Federation has
48:34
Speaker 1: now appealed to FIFA to rescind one of their players.
48:37
Speaker 1: Yellow cards during the World Cup last sixteen win over Paraguay.
48:41
Speaker 1: The star player was booked after an altercation who went
48:44
Speaker 1: to ground holding his face, were replaced show he was
48:47
Speaker 1: actually holding his shirt. And so the French are like, hey,
48:51
Speaker 1: you know, we're pretty good. We're powerful. We have you know,
48:53
Speaker 1: we have nuclear wet that we do. Hey, we really
48:57
Speaker 1: we Soccer is our sport, right, you know, it's one
48:59
Speaker 1: of our major sports. If you're handing out favors, let's
49:03
Speaker 1: hand out a few. We also have this one. Let's
49:05
Speaker 1: put B eight up here on the screen. Man, these people,
49:07
Speaker 1: it's crazy. Honestly, again, I had no idea how much
49:11
Speaker 1: influenc there was here, so apparently this just happened. Keir
49:15
Speaker 1: Starmer helped stop an earlier kickoff between England and Mexico,
49:20
Speaker 1: so the outgoing Prime Minister gave English players quote a
49:23
Speaker 1: few extra hours to acclimatize to the Mexico City altitude.
49:28
Speaker 1: FIFA wanted to reschedule England's football match in Mexico City
49:32
Speaker 1: by several hours, keeping the kickoff set for one am
49:36
Speaker 1: Monday morning UK time. FIFA had considered starting it at
49:40
Speaker 1: seven pm UK time, friendlier for British viewers, but tougher
49:44
Speaker 1: on English players, who had to acclimatize to Mexico City's
49:47
Speaker 1: grueling high elevation. The departing PM was contacted by the
49:51
Speaker 1: English Football Association to alert him before a full blown
49:55
Speaker 1: diplomatic intervention by the government, because it is what is
50:00
Speaker 1: like seven thousand feet up or something in Mexico City.
50:03
Speaker 1: So now all of a sudden, you've got heads of
50:05
Speaker 1: state again, You've got a nuclear arm power here. They're like, hey,
50:08
Speaker 1: you know, we once ruled the Seas. It's like you
50:10
Speaker 1: have to listen to us here Premier League and all
50:12
Speaker 1: the half of our players are playing now currently here
50:15
Speaker 1: in FIFA, so you got to listen, I think to
50:18
Speaker 1: a little bit of us, But I think the overwhelming
50:20
Speaker 1: consensus here is just a classic FIFA moment. As I understand. Again,
50:25
Speaker 1: I'm very new to this, so please forgive me. I'm
50:26
Speaker 1: doing my best. If Crystal were here, she would do
50:28
Speaker 1: much better than I do. She watched like the entire
50:30
Speaker 1: World Cup as I from what I know here. You know,
50:35
Speaker 1: I watched the documentary about FIFA and Katar and all
50:38
Speaker 1: of their insane corruption going back decades. Like this very
50:42
Speaker 1: much fits with FIFA as a World Cup as to
50:45
Speaker 1: how it all went down, the peace prize, Trump's overall intervention,
50:49
Speaker 1: and then the poetic you know justice. I guess for
50:52
Speaker 1: us is that we lost in humiliating fashion. So there
50:55
Speaker 1: it is.
50:56
Speaker 3: That's it.
50:56
Speaker 1: So I guess we'll see does Norway have the juice
50:59
Speaker 1: to rig the to rig it for them, because that's
51:01
Speaker 1: why I'm rooting for now.
51:01
Speaker 3: I don't know about you, wrong, I might have even
51:03
Speaker 3: been in that documentary. Were you in that documentary?
51:06
Speaker 1: You in everything? One of those coreat I was in
51:07
Speaker 1: the Joe Loo documentary, which one of my favorite books,
51:10
Speaker 1: Billion Dollars What is it?
51:11
Speaker 3: Billion dollar Dollar? Great book? The Yeah, because I did
51:16
Speaker 3: this story about how the UAE devised this entire plan
51:21
Speaker 3: to tank Cutter's currency and hold it and hold it
51:24
Speaker 3: hostage Katari real, yeah, in order to then force them
51:28
Speaker 3: to share the World Cup. It did it with Prince Andrew.
51:34
Speaker 3: Prince then this print and this bank that Prince Andrew was.
51:36
Speaker 1: I was going to high school in Qatar when they
51:38
Speaker 1: got the World Cup and I was looking around. I
51:40
Speaker 1: was like here. I was like, it's one hundred and
51:42
Speaker 1: thirty degrees outside. I was like, how is anybody gonna
51:45
Speaker 1: play here? This is I was like, you can't even
51:46
Speaker 1: drink in this country, How's this going to work? I
51:48
Speaker 1: was totally right, by the way.
51:49
Speaker 3: And this is why I got to sign up for
51:50
Speaker 3: the news letter, because I'll put the link to that
51:52
Speaker 3: article about the UA and Cutter in the World Cup
51:55
Speaker 3: in the newsletter Ye breaking.
51:56
Speaker 1: Points dot Com only in the newsletter Breaking Points dot Com. Great, wait,
52:00
Speaker 1: ask who are you writting for? I'm going for Norway.
52:01
Speaker 1: It's not about how long guy.
52:02
Speaker 3: I love this dude, but Norway. I would love to
52:04
Speaker 3: see that.
52:05
Speaker 1: This is just his his Viking physiognomy.
52:07
Speaker 3: It's just so love it.
52:09
Speaker 1: It's hilarious. Uh and yeah, I mean English, and it's
52:12
Speaker 1: like we got to see we got to see the
52:14
Speaker 1: Vikings triumph, you know, over over the English and just just.
52:19
Speaker 3: Just be really funny. It is really funny.
52:21
Speaker 1: You're ready for Spain, I think, so okay.
52:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I would be I would be pleased to
52:25
Speaker 3: see the Viking guy with yeah yeah, I.
52:27
Speaker 1: Mean for he needs it, you know, he's America loves
52:29
Speaker 1: this guy. He's he's scoring cowboy hats and Texas is
52:32
Speaker 1: great