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Chuck & Buck 3-31 Hour 3: Gene Steratore, Everett Fitzhugh · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: Haveway to the show here on a Tuesday. Good have
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  Speaker 1: you with us, Ashley Ryan to see her. My name
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  Speaker 1: is Chuck Powell, Nobucky Jacobson today, but we'll muddle through.
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  Speaker 1: We've got ABC's coming your way, just the second edition
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  Speaker 1: this year evert fits you joins us later this hour,
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  Speaker 1: and we are absolutely pleased to bring back to our
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  Speaker 1: radio program outside of season. I mean, during the course
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  Speaker 1: of the football season. We check in once per week
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  Speaker 1: with the always entertaining and interesting gens Sterotaur, CBS rules analysts,
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  Speaker 1: and the greatest NFL official of all time. But there
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  Speaker 1: are some really interesting things going on in the officiating
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  Speaker 1: world right now, and I need Jean's opinions. So Ashley
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  Speaker 1: and I gave him a call outside of season to
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  Speaker 1: see if he had time to join us, and it
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  Speaker 1: turns out we're in luck. He's with us right now
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  Speaker 1: here on Chuck and good morning, sir. Great to talk
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  Speaker 1: to you.
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  Speaker 2: Good More than it's great to hear your voices.
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  Speaker 1: How you been, I know you're you're NCAA tournament crazy
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  Speaker 1: right now, bouncing from site to SITEA have you enjoyed
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  Speaker 1: the March madness this year?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it's been lovely, you know, when you're a referee,
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  Speaker 2: you used to count timeouts in the game. So that's
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  Speaker 2: how you got through it with your partners.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it was back in.
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  Speaker 2: The day there were nine media timeouts for every game.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, you're looking at a veteran and say,
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  Speaker 2: hang in there, kid, we've got four timeouts left. And
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  Speaker 2: now that we've added the tenth timeout in the tournament,
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  Speaker 2: I've weathered six hundred timeouts so far, Chuck.
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  Speaker 3: So we're just down to thirty. You know, we're down
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  Speaker 3: to just.
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  Speaker 2: Thirty timeouts bar any overtime, and life is good, life
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  Speaker 2: is great, weather.
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  Speaker 1: It's six hundred timeouts.
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  Speaker 3: That's unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: I mean you're not official. I mean you you officiated
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  Speaker 1: in the NFL now that long ago, and and so
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  Speaker 1: you still remember making those When when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: college basketball, having been removed from it as an actual
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  Speaker 1: official and now seeing how much the game has changed,
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  Speaker 1: what would you cite as maybe the most difficult part
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  Speaker 1: of the game now to officiate that you're glad that
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  Speaker 1: you didn't have to do when you were active.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, Terry, I think it really goes to both sports.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I did work Division one basketball for twenty
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  Speaker 2: seven years.
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  Speaker 3: And retired the same year from both.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I think it's I think it's the scrutiny quite frankly,
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  Speaker 2: you know. I mean replay has created that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and in some ways rules analysts have also added, I
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  Speaker 2: think to that scrutiny some in some regard. But I
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  Speaker 2: do think it's the growth of replay. It's the public's
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  Speaker 2: perception that replays going to quote unquote fix it or
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  Speaker 2: fix everything, and then naturally what I think is unfair.
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  Speaker 2: Again in both sports, it's the dissection of what officials
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  Speaker 2: are doing in these sports and this speed and how
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  Speaker 2: they are really managing and calling games, and then to
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  Speaker 2: be scrutinized by a frame by frame review.
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  Speaker 3: Of the play, you know, over and over. That's hard.
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  Speaker 2: And I was part of the beginning side of death,
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  Speaker 2: you know. But believe it or not, eight years have
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  Speaker 2: gone by. It scares me to think that it's been
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  Speaker 2: eight years since I was on the court and field.
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  Speaker 2: But I think that's probably the number one thing I
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  Speaker 2: see more now than when I was kind.
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  Speaker 3: Of in my in my prime.
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  Speaker 1: Geane s Teratur with us right here on checking back,
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  Speaker 1: and that blends right into one of the reasons that
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  Speaker 1: I thought to bring you on this week. And it's
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  Speaker 1: a sport that you've never officiated, but Major League Baseball
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  Speaker 1: talk about scrutiny. I mean, they have added like pitch
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  Speaker 1: by pitch scrutiny to Major League Baseball umpires. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: just curious what you think of this. Is this is
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  Speaker 1: a group that at one point whatever they said went
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  Speaker 1: and there was and baseball was slow to go to
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  Speaker 1: replay and low to pretty much do just about everything.
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  Speaker 1: And in a very short period of time they've gone
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  Speaker 1: from whatever we say goes to now every single pitch
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  Speaker 1: can be challenged and analyzed. And I wonder put yourself
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  Speaker 1: in the shoes of that Major League Baseball homeplate umpire,
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  Speaker 1: and how big of a shock it is to be
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  Speaker 1: where they're at right now and in the midst of
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  Speaker 1: fans cheering wildly because they missed a ball strike call
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  Speaker 1: by a centimeter during the course of the game. What
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  Speaker 1: is your thought on this?
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  Speaker 2: I think baseball is probably the most sensitive of the
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  Speaker 2: sports as it relates to replay, and I empathize with them,
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  Speaker 2: and I say that for this reason, there's less, maybe
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  Speaker 2: in a grand scheme of things, less subjectivity to some
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  Speaker 2: of the things you rule in baseball, right, the balls
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  Speaker 2: either fair foul. The pitch is either in the square
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  Speaker 2: or it isn't in the square. There's fine lines to
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  Speaker 2: a lot of those decisions that they're making. The bang,
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  Speaker 2: bang foot the ball and the glove, that type of thing.
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  Speaker 2: Most of those rulings can be done with a frame
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  Speaker 2: by frame stop the camera there it is. That's what
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  Speaker 2: it is based on the technology we have.
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  Speaker 3: With all of that.
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  Speaker 2: Said, see basketball and football. There's layers of subjectivity. What's holding,
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  Speaker 2: what's past interference? You know, there's pieces that are more gray.
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  Speaker 2: But I got to tell you, look, I was a
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  Speaker 2: youth baseball manager of all my kids, you know, daughter
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  Speaker 2: and two sons for ten years and brutal as a
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  Speaker 2: manager to umpires.
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  Speaker 3: I was bad.
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  Speaker 2: But I also have to say that I liked when
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  Speaker 2: an umpire at home plate allowed a really good picture
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  Speaker 2: to paint the corner right, to have the ball hit
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  Speaker 2: the black and ring me up and stay consistent within that.
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  Speaker 3: To me, that was just an amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Art to watch and still watch that. As you just said,
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  Speaker 2: so get these things so right so many times, but
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  Speaker 2: now because of a centimeter a millimeter in cases, right,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to tell you that you're wrong here, and
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  Speaker 2: and everybody's going to know about it all and then
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  Speaker 2: it gets published. You know, it's a crazy business. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it's a crazy business. Officiating standard is perfection to the world,
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  Speaker 2: and anything below that standard is unfortunately unacceptable to the majority.
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  Speaker 2: But it's also what officials know going into this profession
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  Speaker 2: or advocation, and quite frankly, it's what they wear as
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  Speaker 2: a badge of honor, the truest one. So I think
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  Speaker 2: you live with it, you know, it's just another another
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  Speaker 2: data point to let the social media world and the
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  Speaker 2: general public think I could do this as I sit
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  Speaker 2: on my couch. Yeah, you know, but that's that's what
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  Speaker 2: it is.
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  Speaker 1: How did you deal with it the moment that instant
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  Speaker 1: replay started becoming such a big deal in the NFL?
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  Speaker 1: What was the adaptation like for you and your guys?
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  Speaker 1: And then I would just ask on top of it,
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  Speaker 1: you know, these baseball umpires, how do you think they're
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  Speaker 1: going to handle? I mean, we're five games into the season, Gene,
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  Speaker 1: We're not even a week into the season, and you
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  Speaker 1: could see the ones that are getting called out routinely.
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  Speaker 1: They're mortified. I mean, there was a guy last night
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  Speaker 1: buying homeplate who missed five in a row at one stage,
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  Speaker 1: and it was a forty degree night here in Seattle
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  Speaker 1: and he was sweating bullets. I mean, you can see
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  Speaker 1: the pressure that they're carrying. And we're just getting started.
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  Speaker 1: Baseball is a long season. It's an every night profession,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm curious how you handled the increased scrutiny when
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  Speaker 1: you were in that transition, and how you think maybe
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  Speaker 1: baseball umpires doing on a nightly basis are going to
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  Speaker 1: handle it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, quite honestly, when replay continued to grow, as I
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  Speaker 2: was a referee and we had weekly training taps for
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  Speaker 2: the officials on field that went into points of emphasis,
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  Speaker 2: what was going on weekend and week outs, and then
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  Speaker 2: we had a replay training tape where a replay official.
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  Speaker 2: Back then we didn't New York involved, they had a
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  Speaker 2: replay official and the referee that made those decisions. Quite honestly,
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  Speaker 2: I let my other crew take that thirty minutes off
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  Speaker 2: of our pregay meetings. I didn't want them seeing how
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  Speaker 2: the game had to be dissected in that booth at
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  Speaker 2: that time. I needed that to be exclusive to my
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  Speaker 2: replay official and myself and I didn't want those ghosts
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  Speaker 2: of how do I referee these frame by frame things
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  Speaker 2: once I go out there in real time, So I
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  Speaker 2: kept them away from the replay training tape a lot
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  Speaker 2: for that reason. I wanted them to just continue to
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  Speaker 2: do what they did, because they were there for a reason,
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  Speaker 2: and it was because they were getting those plays right
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  Speaker 2: for the most part. And in those tough instances where
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  Speaker 2: you went in and you had to overturn an official
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  Speaker 2: in real time on a tough play that they really
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  Speaker 2: sold and feld in their gut was one way, and
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  Speaker 2: you came out and it was another. That's when you
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  Speaker 2: had to become a very good leader and a great
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  Speaker 2: psychologist to get them through what these little nuances have become.
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  Speaker 2: I lived it with Calvin Johnson's catch really was the
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  Speaker 2: first one of usis a catch or not? It felt
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  Speaker 2: like a catch to me. It was a catch in
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  Speaker 2: my backyard, you know. But by these intricate rules that
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  Speaker 2: have to be put in play now, because we can
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  Speaker 2: frame by frame adjusts not just the play but how
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  Speaker 2: we rule on it. When does the catch end, it
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  Speaker 2: becomes a frame framing. So I think this will happen
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  Speaker 2: quite frankly. I think the umpire is now going through
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  Speaker 2: this in the in right now, in the now, we'll
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  Speaker 2: just hone it up, and I think it'll get tighter.
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  Speaker 2: I think, you know, maybe the accuracies are off right
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  Speaker 2: now a little more than they're used to, but they'll adjust.
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  Speaker 2: That's what great officials do, uh, And I think that'll
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  Speaker 2: be the case, you know, naturally, the human conditional play.
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  Speaker 2: But I wouldn't be surprised if the reviews of these
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  Speaker 2: or their accuracy now becomes a little more pinpointed. That's
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  Speaker 2: the challenge of faced with right. So now elevate yourself
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  Speaker 2: within this new kind of parameter that we're putting you in,
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  Speaker 2: and I think I think they'll rise to the occasion.
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  Speaker 1: Geene sterre Tour is with US former CBS a former
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  Speaker 1: NFL official, former college basketball official, and also current CBS
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  Speaker 1: rules analysts for both sports, and he's been our guest
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  Speaker 1: for the last few years, all during the football season,
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  Speaker 1: joining us giving us a special appearance here today so
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  Speaker 1: we could ask him some of these questions. And how
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  Speaker 1: do you see the future of officiating then, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it does feel like NFL officials are under such scrutiny.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we even have the we even have the
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  Speaker 1: NFL apparently preparing replacement refs justin case for this upcoming season.
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  Speaker 1: In baseball, there's the threat that we're not that far
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  Speaker 1: away from just computers determining the whole thing and we
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  Speaker 1: don't even need umpires out on the baseball field. And
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  Speaker 1: then in the basketball world, I think the NBA officials
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  Speaker 1: are considered the worst of the group, even though they
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  Speaker 1: might have the most difficult job of all of them,
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  Speaker 1: because I can't even tell a foul anymore in the
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  Speaker 1: National Basketball Association. So in your estimation, as somebody that
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  Speaker 1: loves this profession, is prideful in this possession, what is
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  Speaker 1: your outlook for the future of officiating.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe it's the four runner to the majority of our jobs, Chuck,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, as you continue to watch
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  Speaker 2: this evolve, right, you read things and see things now
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  Speaker 2: that just scare the heck out of you. Thirty percent
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  Speaker 2: of us aren't going to be valuable anymore. As far
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  Speaker 2: as our talents and or all of these other things.
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  Speaker 2: I think those are really big questions. They kind of
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  Speaker 2: transcend maybe sports, the human element of competing, the human
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  Speaker 2: element of managing people in that space when you are
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  Speaker 2: an official in these games, regardless of the sport, every
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  Speaker 2: single sport. You know, being a great play caller and
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  Speaker 2: being perfect and getting your plays right, that's one thing,
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  Speaker 2: and it's a very important part of the business, and
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  Speaker 2: quite frankly, you know it's going to carry the majority
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  Speaker 2: of weight and scrutiny because that's what's visible to the
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  Speaker 2: general public. But refereeing and managing atmospheres and people and
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  Speaker 2: games in intense, uncomfortable situations and making the game play
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  Speaker 2: to the integrity that you are beholden to.
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  Speaker 3: And why you do it.
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  Speaker 2: Machines aren't going to replace that.
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  Speaker 3: That's not going to go away.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, the hope is that the stakeholders understand again,
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  Speaker 2: we can go add more plays in the NFL to review,
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  Speaker 2: we can do all of what we're doing and get
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  Speaker 2: them right and slow the game down, but get it right.
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  Speaker 2: But who's managing the athletes, Who's keeping the game flow
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  Speaker 2: at a level of efficiency that the players will perform
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  Speaker 2: at their best because that's how they prepare during the
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  Speaker 2: week to play it this fast paced, efficient level. Does
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  Speaker 2: the stoppages do those start to create now that wonky
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  Speaker 2: feeling and what we love is games, that's the challenge.
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  Speaker 2: That's what you have to really take a good, hard
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  Speaker 2: look at, and that's why you hope that through all
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  Speaker 2: of the things that happen in these businesses we all
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  Speaker 2: have been part of, as they get to their differences
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  Speaker 2: and hopefully work them out, it's the understanding of what
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  Speaker 2: the magnitude of having people that have worked at this level,
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  Speaker 2: that have gotten to this level, that understand that atmosphere
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  Speaker 2: and can manage the games and keep it within the
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  Speaker 2: integrity that we all love because that's what they do.
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  Speaker 2: Make this and continue to keep this game that we
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  Speaker 2: love and their big challenges moving forward because of this,
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  Speaker 2: and I think those are the discussions that need to
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  Speaker 2: continuously take place. And at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 2: you look and so long as everyone agrees at the
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  Speaker 2: end of the day to the one sentences, does this
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  Speaker 2: make the game better? Is this good for the game?
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  Speaker 2: All of us coaches, players, officials and people that actually participate,
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  Speaker 2: they're all beholding to the game. The game trumps everything
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  Speaker 2: what happens after that have at it. But that's what
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  Speaker 2: you've got to make sure happens now. And it's more
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  Speaker 2: than just getting your accuracy level up by two tenths
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  Speaker 2: of a percent.
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm envisioning the year twenty forty five, a major
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  Speaker 1: League baseball umpire or major League baseball manager so angry
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  Speaker 1: that he literally is yelling at a computer screen and
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  Speaker 1: looking for where to unplug it.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: I know that's exactly right. I would get that right
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  Speaker 2: because I would know where the plug is. I would say, look,
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  Speaker 2: lift the third seat up in the dugout. It's under
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  Speaker 2: the third seat, and it probably has one of those
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  Speaker 2: long what you know, things that have multiple plugs in
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  Speaker 2: case there's a you know, a shortage of something.
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  Speaker 3: Pull the whole thing out. Let's go back to the
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  Speaker 3: old you know, I.
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  Speaker 1: Think it was Just unplug it and plug it back in.
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  Speaker 1: It'll work better for our team.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, you're looking for a way to manipulate it to
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  Speaker 2: get to w Chuck. I just gave a speech on integrity,
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  Speaker 2: and now you're finding out how to work the system.
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  Speaker 3: See what happens when we're away from each other. I
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  Speaker 3: know I've become a dark right to the dark side again.
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  Speaker 1: Jeez, Terretor is with us. I do want to ask
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  Speaker 1: you about a couple of football things before we wrap up.
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  Speaker 1: Sean McVay is still bothered uh by that two point
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  Speaker 1: conversion play where it was a backwards pass and the
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  Speaker 1: I forget who the rules analyst was at the time,
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  Speaker 1: but it was a Seahawks Rams game, I know, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the one that we're talking about, and it was backwards pass,
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  Speaker 1: but it didn't look like that in real time, and
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  Speaker 1: the rules analyst said, that's a backward pass. That's going
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  Speaker 1: to be a touch, that's going to be a too
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  Speaker 1: successful two point conversion. But the play sort of stopped
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  Speaker 1: and our guy picked up the ball, not knowing that
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  Speaker 1: he was doing anything productive, kind of waltzed into the
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  Speaker 1: end zone. We got two points out of it, and
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  Speaker 1: the rest is history. Well, he's still bothered by it
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  Speaker 1: to the point, Gene that he is now starting to
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  Speaker 1: like shout things at Mike McDonald, our head coach, about it.
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  Speaker 1: He's trying to get the rule change. So I think
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  Speaker 1: the way I want to ask this is if Sean McVay,
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  Speaker 1: just if he ran into you, you're having you're having dinner.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, I know, you'd go to a better
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  Speaker 1: Italian place than this, but Buka Debepo or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: He got garlic. He's got garlic on his breath. He
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  Speaker 1: walks up to you and he says, he says, Gene,
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  Speaker 1: that two point play. It's driving me nuts still, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: can you believe it? You got to help me on this.
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  Speaker 1: How could they have let that happen? What would you
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  Speaker 1: have said to him?
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  Speaker 2: With a lot of layers there, Chuck, if you have
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  Speaker 2: garlic on his breath, he's gonna make me miss my
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  Speaker 2: late grandmother.
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  Speaker 3: So that's going to be a bad thing to begin.
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  Speaker 2: Look, if I were the rules analyst that actually said it,
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  Speaker 2: and then it appeared like after the statement was made,
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden they were starting to review.
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  Speaker 3: Something, you know, maybe the timing of.
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  Speaker 2: How the review process occurred it was originally ruled it
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  Speaker 2: insimplete pass.
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  Speaker 3: If my memory.
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  Speaker 2: Serves me correctly, I think we almost in all the
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  Speaker 2: weights to the point where the team was lining up
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  Speaker 2: for the kickoff, right, I mean there was a window
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  Speaker 2: of a delay there. Yeah, And as you said, they
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  Speaker 2: brought in an analyst who took a look at this play,
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  Speaker 2: and quite frankly, in many cases, as rules analysts, we
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  Speaker 2: kind of become a little bit of a replay analyst
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  Speaker 2: to write a replay official in certain ways, right, because
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  Speaker 2: you're you're looking at situations, you realize when what we
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  Speaker 2: called in our business, there's a little smoke on that play,
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: was that forward backward? Maybe the rules analyst was ahead
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: of maybe what New York to replay the.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: Body was looking at or doing.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: I think when you get into extended delay and all
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: of a sudden ninety seconds later, how do we write
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: a rule when some thing is ruled incomplete on the
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: field and not rule backward pass on the field. And
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: now in the immediate continuing action after a play we
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: ruled dead because we blew it incomplete, and the majority
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: of players on the field heard the whistle, looked at
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: the official waving and complete, know what the signals mean,
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: and broke down from participating. But one player went over
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: because he's a gentleman to pick the football up to
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: flip it to someone and had it in the end zone.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: And when you have a replay review, when how can
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: we fix an incomplete pass that may be a backward
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: pass if the defense would happen to pick this football
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: up thinking it was a backward pass, right or something
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: like that, these are the rules that are getting created.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: So they created that phraseology in the immediate continuing action
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: of the play, something else happens that we can now
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: bring into the play to add to the tail end
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: of it. It's like ruling a running back down by
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: contact and not a fumble, and the ball squirts out
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: and the defense picks it up and starts running for
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: a touchdown, and you rule them down by contact. Replay
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: shows that it's a fumble and the defense picked it
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: up within three or four camera frames. We can't give
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: them the touchdown because we were blowing it dead, but
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: we can give them the fumble.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: And the recovery.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: That's how replay rules and the game changes when we
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: add this technology. Now, officials are trying to be trained
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: that in those very tight moments, just rule it a
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: backward pass all the time, and then it still plays.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: And then if it is picked up and in the
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: end zone, and we look at replay and say it's
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: a forward path, no harm, no law, you know, no foul.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: So if these things that are changing as we change
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: each little rule or a couple sentences or words in
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: a rule, the consequences of that have multiple tentacles. The
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: replay rule book grows, the scenarios grow, and then the
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: officials have to make these crazy adjustments of how they'd
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: refereed for twenty twenty five years to work now, because
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: this is what we're doing with technology. So forget your
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: gut there. Whether it's a pass fumble from the quarterback,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: just rule fumble. Then if it's a forward pass, we'll
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: fix that later. But then we have balls going five
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: yards down the field and someone picked them up and
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: we're screaming like that's a forward path.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: Kill it.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Well, you know it's a tough thing. This is what's happening.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: So those are the.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Things that coach McVay, I'm sure coach McDonald after they
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: get through disagreeing about it and maybe having their own
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: I can't referee that thing, by the way, either.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't get.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Involved between coach McVay and coach McDonald's situation in the
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: off season. But I think these are the things that
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: are constantly being discussed as we continue to move forward.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: What else can we use repay for it?
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: So you'd have sympathy for him, you'd like, sit down,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: let's talk about it. I think you make some great
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: points here, Sean. Here, let me get you, let me
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: get you a play to macaroni, and let's just talk
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: our way through it, because what I was really hoping
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: you would do is say, in my scenario, hey, buzz
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: off runt, you're ruining my tortellini. That's what I was
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: hoping you would.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: Say to him. I would give him a spur.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: I gave him a couple of spoons, apostas that last
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: two pieces of garlic bread.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: Though, don't touch those, like, leave those alone. That's a
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: different situation. So yeah, this priority is chuck, you know exactly.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So he's got a point, is what you're saying.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: And yet I still don't think he should still be
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: thinking about it on March thirty first. But he can't
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: let it go. He just can't let it go.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Geane' that's a carment that I'll probably do the first
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: for the first and stay quiet on.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: Okay, a lot of them, you know.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: They hold things for a long time.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, a long time. Yes, Yeah. All right.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Well, hey, great to catch up with you. Thank you
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: very much. Love your insight, and I found that to
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: be a very fascinating conversation. So appreciate you. Enjoy your
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: off season, and we'll try not to bug you again
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: for a while.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: How about that. You got it? Guys, have a great week.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: And you never know.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Maybe well if Astley reaches out.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: Then Chuck, you and I will talk. Okay, That's how
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: it works in this business. So thanks so much. Having
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: wonderful week.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: All right, Jean Staratur joining us right here on Chuck
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: and Buck coming up next. Evert Fits You is with us.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: We got some cracking wins to put together. Let's find
• 22:27
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• 22:30
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• 22:41
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• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Seattle cracking right here on the flagship Sports Radio ninety
• 22:45
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• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Show will be tonight taking on the Edmundon Oilers at
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: the Tree in Edmonton at six o'clock. This evening pregame
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: at five point thirty with the always talented and somewhat
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: rugged Mike Benton joining us now though, to talk some
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: crack and hockey as we rit the stretch drive. It
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: is Everett hits you, how are.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: You, sir? Well?
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: The tree here and is beautiful this time of year,
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: it's just starting sprouts starting to bud and it should
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: be a wonderful summer. Of course, when the tree in
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: Edmonton starts to sprout. That means that there's six more
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: weeks of winter and that you're on our way to
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: a wonderful summer.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: I love the idea that you all do gather at
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: the tree and yes, well, I mean, look, ten games
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: to go in this sucker Everett's it's time to put
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: up or shut up. I mean, this team needs a
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: hot streak right now, and having lost five of their
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: last six doesn't feel great. Tell me why this thing's
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: going to end with a goods positive story.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: Well, they've lost five of their last six, but they
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: have points in three straights, so I think we can
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: start turning it around there. Okay, listen, I do think
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: that this team in the last three games, they've played
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: better hockey than in their previous fourteen coming out of
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: the break. I mean, it just wasn't where they needed
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: it to be, and especially against the competition that you're
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: going to play in the playoffs. I mean, you lost
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: the two games or the game in Nashville, which I
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: mean that is kind of unforgivable when you look at
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: the team that now occupies the spot two points ahead
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: of you. You do have a couple of games in hand,
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: and you'll burn one of those here to fight because
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: Nashville doesn't play until tomorrow. So if the Kraken can
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: win tonight, they'll you know, have one of those games
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: in hand back on them. But I think for me,
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: this team is starting to understand the gravity of this situation.
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: We've been playing a lot better the last few outings,
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: and they've been getting offense from the players that they've
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: been needing to get offense from the most. I mean,
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: I look at the guy like Kapokaco, who has been
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: on fire since the Olympic break. He's got points in
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: five of his last seven games, and Jordan Ebe is
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: starting to contribute a little bit more. Tandler Stevenson finally
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: broke out of a slump twelve game gold drought he
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: snapped the other night. So you're starting to see these guys,
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: you know, get back to where they need to be.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: And at the end of the day, this is, for
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: my money, this was the goal all along. When you're
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: looking at this season. You needed to be playing meaningful
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: games in March. You know, Game seventy two needed to matter,
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: and it does. And I think that the frustrating part
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: is where this team was going into the Olympic break,
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: but I think you know, at the end of the day,
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: you're still battling for a playoff spot. You still have
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: got two games against Vegas, you have a game against
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: LA You've got a game against Edmonton here tonight. So
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: you've got games against teams that you need beat, that
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: you potentially could match up with in the playoffs. I mean,
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: depending on how this coaching change goes in Vegas. I
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: mean they just changed their coach with eight games. They've
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: got eight games left, and they fired Bruce Cass and
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: brought in John Torodirella. The Crack can play them twice,
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: so weirder things can have happened, But the cra can
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: feasibly could find themselves in third place, overtaking pigas you
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: know here in the next two weeks. Now a lot
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: has to happen. But you know, I do think this
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: team is trending in the right direction at the time
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: when it matters the most.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Why does Bobby McMahon making scoring look so easy in
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: this offense?
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean I think he brings two things that
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: this team hasn't had a lot of this season. A
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: lot of speed. I mean, he is your fastest player
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: on the ice right now, and I think he also
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: brings a willingness to shoot the puck. It's no secret
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: that this team can be a little bit selective in
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: their shots or a passive literal sense of the word,
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: in terms of looking for that right opportunity. And the
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: thing about Bobby McMahon is you never know where that
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: SHOT's going to come from. There have been a couple
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: of times when you know, Alan I are expecting the
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: past and he shoots it and it generates a rebound.
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: The goal he scored in Buffalo, he's coming down the wing,
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: he gets by a defender, bobbled the puck, but he
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: still was able to control it and score the goal.
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: So for me, I mean he's putting together and bringing
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: all of these pieces that I think we're lacking in
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: this Krakens game all season longest paying off.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Eric fits you is with us a voice of your
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Seattle Cracken Well. I hope he can end up being
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: a special scorer beyond this year for this team, because, man,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: you get ready to take on the Edmonton Oilers here
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: tonight and I'm just looking at the scoring leaders for
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: each team. Jordan every fifty one points as the scoring
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: leader for the Kraken, Connor McDavid as one hundred and
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: twenty four, almost three times more than our best offensive weapon.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, how badly does this organization need? Maybe not
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Connor McDavid, but somebody in that ballpark.
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean I think that is the that's the
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: white whale, right, that's the golden ticket that you want.
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: But I do want to caution fans out there on
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: that philosophy, because yes, you would love we all would
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: love McDavid, a McKinnon, a mccarr type of player, but
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: those teams had to go through a lot of suck
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: to get those guys. I mean, here here in Edmonton
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: they call it the Decade of Darkness. They went to
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: the Stanley Cup Final in two thousand and six. They
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: lost in Game seven to the Carolina Hurricanes. They didn't
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: make the playoffs again untill twenty seventeen. In that time,
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: they had four number one overall picks, including Connor McDavid. Five,
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: I'm try five number one overall picks including Conor McDavid.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: They had the likes of Jordan Everieve, they had Taylor Hall,
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: They had Nail Yakapov, they goaltending was always a struggle
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: for them. So they've had good players, they've had those guys,
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: it just hasn't worked. So in order to get that
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: type of player, Yeah, you have to go through a
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: lot of bad Now. In the case of the Colorado Avalanche,
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: they already had the Cannon and Landis coganov Thos guys.
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: But they went from twenty eight out of thirty one
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: to Stanley Cup champion in five years, So that was
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: a pretty good five year plan. But you're right, I mean,
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: this cracking team desperately needs a bona fide legitimate scorer.
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think Seattle probably is the only team
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: in the league that doesn't have one of those blue
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: chip type of players.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: Luckily for Seattle it's worked for them historically. This has
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: been a four line team. It's been a team that
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: consistently has been able to find points up and down
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: their lineup. But you need that game breaker. I lovey
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: Ian Ferness calls it the aircraft carrier. You need that guy.
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: Those guys typically aren't always found in free agency. You
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: can trade for that guy, but then you're gonna have
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: to give up a whole lot. And I always like
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: to work the problem back words. If you want to
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: go get player X, well, then what is that team
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: gonna want from your roster? And that could right, so
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: a lot of a lot of fan favorites could be
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: out the door to get that, to get that piece
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: that you need. But I think that again, you know
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: this team, the way that they play, the way that
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: they're constructed, they've been having success. But I mean this
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: has been Jason Boschrol before that Ron Francis. This has
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: been their goal since day one is to bring in
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: that top player. And you're hoping that this summer through trade.
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: The free agency market isn't that great in terms of that,
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: so you know you're going to have to look at
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: maybe flipping some of your assets. You've got four first
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: round picks, You've got a number of great prospects in
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: the system that have been, uh, you know, tantalizing to
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: other teams. So it wouldn't surprise me to see a
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: big move made this summer. But you know, first things first,
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: they got to get through these last ten games and
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: get to the playoffs.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Ten to go. Bottom line it for me, how many
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: points will they require to get into the playoffs.
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm gonna I'm gonna say this team's got
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: to go seven and three some combination of fourteen points
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: and whatever that number is. But again, you're also at
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: the time of year where you're looking at teams ahead
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: of you to make mistakes. You've got games in hand,
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: you've got games against teams ahead of you. You still
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: play the Kings once, you still play Vegas a couple
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: of times. So right there, you've got three four point
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: swing games that you know, in theory could put you
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: back in the top three. But I think for me,
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: for the Crack and to control their own destiny, do
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: what they can do to control what they can control.
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: I mean, I would say they have to go some
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: combination of seven and three fourteen points in these last
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: ten games.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: All right, have fun tonight. We will be listening. We
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: need a w and you're gonna deliver. I know that
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: you will. Everett fits you, Thank you very much.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: Make get Bucky back to work, okay, not vacation.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: You'll get to come.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Back to work, all right, Thanks man, Have fun tonight.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: All right, take care, see you guys. All right.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Evert fits your voice of your Seattle Crack in an
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: action tonight against the Edmonton Oilers at the Tree in
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Edmonton at six o'clock. They will drop the puck five
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: thirty with Mike Benton on the pregame. And yes, ten
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: games to go, fourteen points perhaps needed to get into
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: the playoffs. They got to start winning, and they got
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: to start winning now, not tomorrow, not next year. Now, yeah,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: do it now. I'm morphed into a little tiwin lanister
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: there for you all. All right, coming up next on
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: the radio program, did Emerson Hancock create a beautiful problem
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: for the Mariners? We'll discuss it next. Sports Radio ninety
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: three point three KJRFM. All right, Chuckell Ashley, Ryan with you.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: We got a lot of baseball to discuss, a little
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: more football to discuss in the final hour of the
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: radio program here today. Yesterday nine o'clock, we had Ryan
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Healey on the radio program and we had to ask
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: this question. I mean, he was even thinking about this
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: question before we brought him on. And I know, I know,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: I know, I know. We're not supposed to get out
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: ahead of things, and we're supposed to think of baseball
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: needing larger samples of time and outings in order to
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: make big decisions. But I'm not sure there was a
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Mariner fan or analyst alive. They didn't watch Emerson Ancock
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: dominate the Cleveland Guardians on Sunday night and wonder to themselves, Okay,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: I kind of don't want him not to pitch. Yeah,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: I kind of like him here. Yeah, I mean that
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: looks different special, And we've never seen Emerson Hancock look
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: that good. Has he found something? Has he found the secret? Sauce?
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Did something click this offseason? They told us in spring
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: training both Jerry Depoto and Pete Woodworth, no picture looked
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: better than Emerson Hancock. And if Sunday is any indication,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: then we may have more pictures than there are rotation
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: spots to deal with. So I asked Ryan Healey about that,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: about the possibility of going to a six man rotation.
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: I don't know what that does to the other pictures,
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: if they're so used to every fifth day that that
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: would throw them off and create problems. The challenge here
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: two is we know Emerson's gonna get plenty of starts
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: of the course of the year. There will be guys that.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Need a blow.
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: Maybe they go on the ten fifteen da ail just
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: to get a rest and he comes up. But does
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: the sporadic and the inconsistency of Emerson Hancock starts. Does
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: that gi him a disservice? Does that get him out
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: of his rhythm?
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: Certainly there's going up and down between double A or
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: triple A, and the big leagues do him at a service.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: Probably, even the bullpen is starting rotation. It's tough because
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: of the spot he's in. This is a problem that
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: Mariners want to have, not a problem that Emerson Hancock
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: wants to have, because he wants to be an every
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: fifth starter.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: I get that.
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  Speaker 5: What would make the most sense for me at this
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: point is maybe run a six man out there for
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: a few months and let's see who can separate themselves.
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: You can't trade him. You really can't get rid of
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: that type of depth. You need that starting pitching depth
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: throughout the course of the season. So what I hope
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: happens is that he continues throwing really well. I hope
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: the other starters continue throwing really well, and then they
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: can make that hard choice when bryceon Miller is.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Ready to come back. Brian heally with us yesterday we're
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: gonna have Ryan on every week this year, just as
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: we did in the postseason a couple times per week
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: in the postseason, but looks like Monday's at nine o'clock
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: with Ryan Healey right here on Chuck and Buck. Yeah,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: it's a great problem to have. It's not a problem
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: at all that Emerson Hancock looked fantastic on Sunday. And
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: I sure hope that it is real. I hope it
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: for the Mariners, I hope it for Emerson. He just
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: you can't find a better young man than Emerson Hancock.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: And for him to have felt cold there in the
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: shadows of his best friends, all of which he was
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: drafted ahead of it hasn't couldn't have been easy. And
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: yet Emerson Hancock's attitude, behavior, countenance, kindness has never been
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: altered by the fact that he was always the guy
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: on the outside looking in at his best friend's partying
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: at the major league level without him while he's still
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: trying to fine tune his stuff Intocoma. And there was
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: an excellent chance he was going to start his season
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: in Tacoma this year until Bryce Miller had the oblique,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: and it opened up a door for him to show
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: us that maybe maybe he's turned a little bit of
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: a corner. So if it's real. What do you do
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: in that situation? Ryan is absolutely right. You can't trade
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: him because Emerson Hancock represents your only depth of starting pitching.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: He and Cooper Criswell, well, that's pretty much it. Yeah,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: that's what you have for starting pitching depth this year.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: And you got to have somebody to back up those
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: five because injuries are just part of the game, especially
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: with pitchers. So you can't do that, and then you
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: have to wonder, and then you don't want to reward
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Emerson by sending him back down to Tacoma when maybe
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: he's like, Okay, so even when I do pitch my best,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: I can't.
• 37:27
  Speaker 6: Crack this rue, even when I pitch my butt off
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: of my hitless innings.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what do I do? Then?
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: Now?
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: How am I gonna take that? And yet there is
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: a danger, is Ryan pointed out, and I pointed out
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: yesterday before we even had Ryan on that You these
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: guys are so used to their routine. If you go
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: to a six man rotation, you're messing with every single
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: one of those other five guys routines. And then if
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: you have an injury, you're not gonna go to Criswell,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: You're gonna go back to a five rot man rotation,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: and then you're gonna mess with every single picture's routine
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: again that they just adjusted to go to the six
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: man rotation. So it's a great problem to have, don't
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, But nonetheless that's gonna be a
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: tricky thing to try to have to solve if, in fact,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Emerson Hancock what we saw yesterday can be repeated, and
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: I don't in it for Sunday.
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, And I don't think obviously we don't want to
• 38:23
  Speaker 6: overreact and be like, oh my gosh, yeah, he was amazing.
• 38:25
  Speaker 6: He sign him up. He's gonna win the cy Young.
• 38:27
  Speaker 6: I understand that. But I also look at that and
• 38:29
  Speaker 6: don't think, oh, that was a fluke. I mean you
• 38:31
  Speaker 6: brought it up yesterday. It wasn't like he was getting
• 38:33
  Speaker 6: hard hit balls that his defense was saving him.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, oh, he was dominant. Nobody looked better the
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: first time through the rotation, and they all looked good too, great.
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he looked incredible. And I do think it's worth
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: it if I mean, I think you have to have
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: a talk with every single picture individually and say, hey,
• 38:49
  Speaker 6: how does this look for you? How do you feel
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: about this? Because you do want to make sure that
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: everybody is on the same page. And I don't think
• 38:57
  Speaker 6: I think because they're all so close, I do think
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: it they would be supportive of trying it and seeing
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: what it does because Emerson is one of them.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do wonder if they would invest that time
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: into seeking the opinions. I'm not sure that that would
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: be the way that they operate. Maybe not, but I
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: do believe that they're already thinking about it. Yeah, I
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: don't know how you couldn't. Yeah, And how we're going
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: to do this exactly. That benefits the collective, right, because
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: that's what matters, right, what benefits the collective, not each individual.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: And and I'm sure on an individual basis they're all like, oh,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: we love Emerson and we want them around, you know.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: But on the other hand, we're trying to win a
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: World Series this year, and we have to do what's
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: in the best interest of the collective starting rotation, and
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: that might not be jerking them around for an entire
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: year by going to a six man and then a
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: five man. When they've trained for a five man, and
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: then they start training for a six man, and then
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: you might have to go back to a five man.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know, could be overthinking it. Maybe I'm guilty
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: of that. We baseball fans, we sports fans, tend to
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: do that. But when I bring on a former Major
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: leaguer and he's way ahead of me on the question
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: because he's been thinking about it more than I have
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: heading into the interview, it does tell you that it
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: is it is something that the organization will have to
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: ponder and solve because it's a little tricky. This is
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: a little tricky. It's a good tricky. It's a great tricky.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Good it's a little tricky. Yeah, all right, coming up next,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: you know what, I am going to continue with Major
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: League Baseball. I'm going to do the ABC's Next because
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: of what the twenty year old millionaire did to our
• 40:34
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• 40:37
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• 40:40
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