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Dean Dwyer: What To Discern About RFK Jr., Carl Jung Influence · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity.
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  No topic, off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Fierazzo.
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  Hey, friends.
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  Thanks so much for tuning in for sharing the podcast.
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  Welcome.
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  We've got our favorite Australian with us.
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  Is he our favorite?
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  I think he is.
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  And why are eyes are straight, Baptist church, and to Wumba, Australia, brother, welcome
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  back.
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  Good to do another podcast with you.
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  Thank you, David.
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  Always a privilege.
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  I thought most Americans fight with Hugh Jackman, but if I can be compared to Hugh Jackman
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  then I'll live with that.
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  Not even close.
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  So we're going to talk about our FK, Jr. and some concerns that you brought to light.
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  And I think they're very, very good.
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  You make some good points.
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  And I think we should pay attention based on his influences, and we'll talk about that
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  in a minute.
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  But before we do, what we didn't get to last week in the previous podcast with you was
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  Australia supporting a push for Palestine to be granted full UN member rights.
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  So we see anti-Semitism there in Australia.
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  There's your article that, yep, from, it's a couple of weeks go over in Harbinger
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  is rejecting the truth.
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  Speak to that before we jump into our new topic, please.
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  Thank you.
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  There is growing and deep concern amongst remnant believers in Australia that the Australian
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  government is really becoming anti-Israel.
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  And I think some of their actions are probably sliding into anti-Semitism.
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  As Natan Shoransky, he was a previous Israeli politician, and he developed what he called
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  a 3D test when criticism of Israel slides into anti-Semitism.
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  So his 3D test was based on demonization of Israel, de-legitimization of Israel, and
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  also double standards.
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  And so what we're seeing in Australia at the moment is probably a mix of all of those.
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  Sadly, Australia has voted in May to grant full UN member rights to the fictional state of
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  Palestine.
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  And unfortunately, just recently when they had the new UN vote, Australia, I think for
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  the first time or the first time in over 20 years, has supported a Palestinian state.
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  Now, we were assured this wouldn't happen until final status issues were resolved between
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  Israel and Palestinian leaders.
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  But unfortunately, Australia has taken it upon themselves to, in their words, join with
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  the rest of the world in trying to force peace upon Israel.
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  And so, Genesis 12.3, we know what that says.
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  I mean, if you're the foreign minister of any nation, then your job is very simple.
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  You take Genesis 12.3 and then you apply that to your job.
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  You bless Israel and you work diplomatically against and sometimes militarily against those
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  nations which would come against Israel.
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  If you had a biblical worldview, that's a very simple job.
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  But unfortunately, we know that we have largely an atheistic government in Australia.
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  And so they don't understand the past, present, and future of Israel.
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  And so unfortunately, they are making decisions which will no doubt bring some form of
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  God's judgment upon our nations.
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  So very sad die for Australia.
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  I want to just wrap up that.
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  I agree with your brother, but that's prophetic, right, nations coming against the Jews.
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  We did a podcast a few weeks ago with Pastor Barry Stagner, misinterpreting Bible prophecy
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  leads to anti-Semitism, something like that.
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  But I just want to quote you at the end of your Harbinger's daily article, rejecting
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  the truth.
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  And you do say there have been times in Australia's history where we have clearly supported
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  Israel and the Jewish people, however, we also have much to be sorry for.
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  Also part of the problem is that replacement theology is taught by many Australian churches
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  as it is here in America.
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  You say if we as a nation are to have any chance of getting right with God, we must uphold
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  his truth concerning Israel.
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  I thank God for Australian pastors and Christians who do teach the truth regarding the past, present
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  and future of Israel, but like the Jewish people in Australia, they are very much in the
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  minority and often held in contempt.
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  And every time I read one of your, not maybe not every time, but often when I read one
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  of your articles, I sense parallels between American Australia that maybe are not good.
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  But let's transition now, Dean Dwyer, with the topic we wanted to get into today.
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  Why are you concerned about Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. if he is the next head of HHS, a health
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  and human services, that you say we could be in for a wild ride with some new quote, health
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  initiatives.
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  And you have concerns about his background and his influences that I wasn't aware of until
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  I read your article.
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  Go ahead.
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  It's on Isar Street Baptist Church dot com on the blog.
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  And it is at Harbinger's Daily dot com as well.
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  Go ahead, Dean, just set us up for this one.
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  Thank you.
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  I guess as we start to see where the Trump administration is going in terms of their cabinet picks, we
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  start to examine some of the names in there.
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  And I guess to concern me, one was Elon Musk will leave his name for another time, but
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  as a technocrat and somebody who has probably a view that he wants to save humanity in different
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  ways, then I think some of the technology he's developing will in fact lead to an enslavement
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  of humanity, not necessarily saving it.
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  The other name that probably surprised people in terms of where my concerns lie was Robert
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  F. Kennedy, Jr.
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  We know that he's commonly and popularly known as RFK.
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  And so I think for anybody who has lived through the last three years, and particularly
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  what happened with the injection that will remain unnamed, so let's we get you struck off
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  YouTube.
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  Thank you.
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  We appreciate it.
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  We appreciated RFK's stance, he was very strong working particularly through children's
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  health defense in promoting a different view on the ramifications of such a such a medication.
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  So we appreciate it is strong stance on that.
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  We can agree that we all have concerns in relation to the pharmaceutical industry and
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  what they're pushing, the vaccine schedule and some of the initiatives through there.
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  But I guess whenever we look at a person, particularly a person of influence, a person
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  that's in power, again, we've got to look behind the facade of who they are and we've
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  got to look to the substance of who they are.
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  And this is probably something, a level of discernment that we've probably lost as a society.
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  Because we often look at the public persona of a person, we look at the words they say,
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  how they say them.
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  I think it's really handy to look at some of the things that they say in their personal
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  life, some of the articles they write, some of the interviews they give.
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  So concerning RFK, there were some articles, sorry, some interviews that he's given recently
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  where he's spoken very openly about his faith.
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  Now, handy tip for anybody who is listening to the testimony of somebody, anytime someone
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  mentions God, we automatically assume they're
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  referring to the same God that we are, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of the Bible.
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  That is not necessarily the case.
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  We need to really drill down into understanding who is God to them, what is the concept of God
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  to them.
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  So RFK speaks very openly about his Catholic faith.
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  So his family was in Catholicism.
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  So when he speaks about God, the natural assumption is he's referring to the same God,
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  perhaps we know, but when you start to hear some of his interviews, what you quickly pick
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  up on is that he is very heavily influenced by a Swiss psychiatrist since dead by the
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  aim of Karl Jung.
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  And so for anybody who understands the writings of Karl Jung, he is incredibly dangerous
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  in how he presents some of his psychological concepts.
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  Because unlike Sigmund Freud, who really wanted to stay away from anything connected to religion,
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  because what happened was that Freud basically dismissed God as somebody he viewed God as somebody
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  who needed a dominant father figure in their life.
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  So he viewed it as a weaker person who needed a father figure so they've come up with
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  this concept of God.
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  Unlike him, Karl Jung, he was happy to introduce some religious aspects into his psychological
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  theories.
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  And so he started to introduce the concept of God and started to speak of God.
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  But again, his concepts were built around a psychological theory rather than introducing
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  a theological foundation.
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  So these are some of the writings that RFK has started to introduce into some of his life.
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  And so I guess the greater problem is that within Jung's theories is his introducing certain
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  archetypes.
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  And so within the framework of Jungian theory, he truly believes that if you want to achieve
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  wholeness within your life, then in terms of your conscious and unconscious parts of your
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  human psyche, then you need to explore the unconscious.
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  You need to go into the unconscious and draw out this God archetype because within that
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  he believes that you can only achieve wholeness if you start to look at some of the things
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  that you've repressed or some of the things that you've regretted in life.
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  And so he believes that when you look at the concept of trying to achieve wholeness,
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  it works in force.
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  So the personal conscious has to go into the unconscious and this is where he believes
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  that you'll find the image of God because he believes the image of God is hidden within
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  the collective unconscious of universal mankind.
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  So he believes that if you want to find your true self, then you have to go into that
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  unconscious part of your human psyche and try and draw that out.
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  And in his view, when you connect your conscious with your unconscious, then you will achieve
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  self-realisation and then you will become whole.
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  So very, very dangerous theory.
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  Yeah, it almost sounds like a mixture of new age and Scientology and something else,
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  Christ consciousness.
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  So before we have to take our brief pause, Dean, the word wholeness doesn't sound like
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  a bad word.
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  It sounds like if you're thinking about health and his position would be the head of HHS,
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  you think, well, what's wrong with wholeness?
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  But you make a very important point.
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  What does he mean by that and what do we understand as wholeness in it?
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  And could you comment on that before we take a break?
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  Absolutely.
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  Again, it comes down to the fact that when we use words, they might not be the same words
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  that other people use.
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  They might use the same dictionary, but are they using the same meaning?
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  So again, when we talk about wholeness, we might be talking about a holistic health approach,
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  which is built on a foundation of healthy eating, being active in the word of God, being
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  careful to manage stress and so forth.
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  But when you look at the humanian theory around wholeness, this is really in this theory
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  and this psychological concept, trying to go deep into your unconscious to try and draw
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  out.
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  And again, we might talk about this in more detail after the break.
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  They believe that for someone to be whole, it's necessary for you to have evil within
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  your heart and to be able to connect with that evil to bring about psychological wholeness.
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  And that is probably one of my biggest concerns in terms of this theory.
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  So when we come back with Dean Dwyer, we're also going to talk about a counterfeit of what
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  you read about as John 146 and how they look at it.
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  And why is this important?
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  It's because people are going to be, if that is his background, RFK Jr's background,
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  he still might do some wonderful things in many aspects with HHS, but we have to understand
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  where he's coming from.
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  Not TV, Dean Dwyer, I guess today, become who you are, Dean, become who you are.
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  When you hear of something like that, it doesn't sound on the surface.
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  It's, well, yeah, I guess, you know, God created me.
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  I want to become who, but that's not what, as you say, Jungians mean when they say things
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  like that.
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  Can you explain that and then talk about the counterfeit of John 14, six?
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  Yeah, absolutely.
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  So just to recap, in Jungian theory, they don't believe that God is a literal deity.
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  They believe he's just a, just a psychological concept.
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  So part of that problem is that they see them the human experience.
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  They, they, they see the development or the progress of human experience.
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  And this concept of becoming whole is to go into this kind of transcendent human experience,
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  which is where the self comes in.
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  They want to go in and try and bring the self out so that the self becomes whole again.
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  One of their mantras is become who you are, become all that you are.
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  There are still more of you, more to be discovered for given and loved.
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  Now, you talk about taglines, David, I mean, you know, that's on the social media page of
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  many young people today, not in those terms, but that's the theme that they are told to chase
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  after that they want to become all that they can be.
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  But it's a very dangerous in psychological concepts because,
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  because Jung rejects the existence of a personal God, what happens then is that he then looks
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  within for redemption. And this is the whole basis of his psychological theory that if you want
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  to be whole and if you want redemption, so to speak in your life, then you have to look within.
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  Now, the reason that I raised John 146, we all know and love that verse.
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  But this is a quote from Jung and notice how much of a shocking and probably blasphemous counterfeit
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  this is. He says, he says, the way is within us, but not in God's, nor in teachings, nor in laws
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  within us is the way, the truth and the life. Wow. Wow. It's within us. He did write a book on
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  psychology and the occult. And friends, there's so much more that we don't have time to get into
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  very good article by Dean. Please check that out on the website, his church website,
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  Isaac Street Baptist Church or Harbinger's Daily. But another quote is in 1911, he said,
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  there are strange and wondrous things in these lands of darkness. And then he says a little later on,
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  for a while longer, I must intoxicate myself on magic perfumes in order to fathom the secrets that lie
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  hidden in the abyss of the unconscious. And he has had a spirit guide too. Dean, go wherever
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  you would like with this. Yeah. You know, that quote you just read, it reminds me in the book of
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  Revelation, we talk about pharmacia in the end times. And I mean, I don't know what these magic
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  perfumes were, but boy, let's hope they don't get out into the mainstream public.
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  But yeah, I mean, he wrote a book called psychology and the occult. Now, he doesn't hide the fact
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  that he was very interested in the occult. And so he claims he had a spirit guide by the name of
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  Philemon. And anyone who says to me that they have a spirit guide, I get very concerned because
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  naturally we believe that they have probably been demonically influenced. And so,
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  sadly, when you start to read about some of Jung's theories, there was he said in relation to
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  the spirit guide Philemon, he says he was simply a superior knowledge. And he taught me psychological
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  objectivity and the actuality of the soul. He formulated and expressed everything which I had never
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  bought. And so that sounds very much like he's been demonically influenced in terms of some of
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  these theories that he's come up with. He went on to say there was another book, he said Philemon
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  and other figures of my fantasies brought home to me the crucial insight that there were
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  things in the human psyche which I do not produce but which produce themselves and have their own
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  life. Philemon represented a force which was not myself. So that's very telling. I mean, he doesn't
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  believe that Philemon is simply his own psyche which he's speaking to him. He recognizes that Philemon
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  was a force not of himself. Now, what other force can we name that's not of ourselves and not of
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  God? Well, you know, that's the force of darkness, isn't it? That's right. So a fast forward a little
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  bit. Dean, we've got seven minutes left today. Talk about Carl Young's Trinity.
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  It's in Carl Young's Trinity. Yeah, that's it's very, very interesting. Because again, when people
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  use the word Trinity, we naturally assume that they're speaking of Father San Holy Spirit, but
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  certainly not the Trinity of the Bible. So in Jungian theory, he he contends that the Trinity should
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  actually be a quaternity. And I'll come back to that in a minute, but what he believes is that
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  in psychological concepts, the Trinity to him, he says the Father symbolizes the psyche in its
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  original undifferentiated wholeness. The Son represents the human psyche and the Holy Spirit
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  represents the state of self-critical submission to a higher reality. So again, because he doesn't
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  see the concept of God as a theological concept, he has to transfer that into a psychological
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  concept. So this is how he sees the Trinity. But he doesn't stop there because he goes on, as I said,
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  to say that in his view, because he works in force in Jungian theory, the number four is very
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  important to them. They believe that the number four represents wholeness. Again, we come back to
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  this concept of wholeness. And so you might see some Jungian symbols, often there's a circle
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  broken up into four quadrants. And this is how they view wholeness. You've got a circle which
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  represents wholeness, but they break it down into four quadrants. And so Jung was always searching
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  for that fourth quadrant. He was never content that the Trinity would represent the sum total of
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  wholeness when it came to psychology. So he was looking for the quaternity. And so this is where
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  the concept of evil comes in. He believes that evil is necessary to go through this process of
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  what he calls individuation, this concept of integrating the conscious and unconscious psyche.
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  He believes evil is integral to that process of individuation. Now what's shocking is that
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  when he looked at the Bible's account of the Garden of Eden, this is what Jung wrote.
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  Because he wished, he's speaking about God, because he wished to evoke not only man's bright and
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  positive side, but also his darkness and ungodliness, God in his initiates arranged everything so
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  that Adam and Eve would sin. God intended them to sin. And you see this is where this is coming
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  from. He believes that Adam and Eve could not be whole unless they embrace the evil within them.
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  And that's why God had to make them sin in his account. So he believes that God himself is both
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  good and evil, which is entirely blasphemous. Well briefly, we're running out of time, but talk
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  about the feminine aspect of this. What's the word, quaternity? Because we hear the modern rebellion
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  against the patriarchy of Christendom, right? The Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit. Talk just
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  briefly about that. I find that very interesting in light of what Pope Pius, the Seventh, did in 1950.
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  Go ahead. Yeah, absolutely. So again, when it comes down to Jung in theory, the quaternity,
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  he was always looking for an evil aspect and also for a feminine aspect as well. So he believed
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  that the Catholic Church then inadvertently proved his theory because when Pope Pius had
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  introduced official dogma to the Roman Catholic Church around the assumption of the Virgin Mary,
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  then all of a sudden Jung said, okay, that's it. If they elevate Mary to the status of
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  co-redemptrix, then there's your feminine aspect of the quaternity as well. So there was one of his
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  biographers by the name of Frank McLean. When this happened, Jung, he said that Jung had said to him
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  that this was the annunciation of his dogma as the most significant religious event since the
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  reformation. And again, because it comes back to the fact that in Jung in theory, he was looking for
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  the elevation of the feminine aspect. So when you've got the trinity and then you introduce the
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  feminine aspect as well, he believed that the Catholic Church had tacitly abandoned the concept
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  of the trinity and then moved into the quaternity, which Jung was always promoting. So again,
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  very strange theories, but very blasphemous and unfortunately very dangerous as well.
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  So I just want to leave you with one takeaway and this is from your article, Dean. You said if RFK
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  Jr. is confirmed as Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services believers should watch
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  cautiously to ensure that he does not introduce Jungian health concepts into the public sphere.
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  And that's basically discernment, friends. Just be discerning. Be aware. We don't have to
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  just be against everything he does, but this information is good. It gives us a little background.
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  And yeah, this believers need to take note. Your final thought in like a minute and a half,
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  I know you quote Colossians to 8 through 10. Feel free to share that or whatever you'd like, Dean.
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  Yeah, absolutely. And as you say, not everything that RFK Jr. is going to be involved in is bad.
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  You know, we can't tar him with that brush. Yes, we have concerns over some of the influence
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  that Carl Jung has had on his life. But again, this allows believers to be equipped with how to
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  pray for him, you know, and we do need to be praying for those who are confirmed into leadership
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  positions. So this equips believers in a better way to understand where he's coming from. What his
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  concepts are, the words that he's using and to be discerning in terms of how they promote some of
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  the initiatives that he might bring into the health department. But I end the article by saying that
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  when it comes to the concept of wholeness within our life as a human being, we don't need Carl Jung.
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  We need Jesus. And so this is where Colossians 2, 8 to 10 is very important. So in the context of
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  what we've talked about, let me read Colossians 2, 8 to 10. Beware. Lest anyone cheat you through
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  philosophy and empty deceit according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles
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  of the world and not according to Christ. For in him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead
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  bodily and you are complete in him who is the head of all principality and power. Perfect.
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  Colossians 2, 8 to 10. Dean Dwyer, God bless you brother, thanks for your time. Thank you brother,
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  always a privilege. All right thank you friends. God bless you and as always keep speaking the truth
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  about things that matter.