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The Late Debate | 10 July · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Late welcome the Late base.
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  Speaker 2: Well, thanks for your company on the Late Debate. I'm
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  Speaker 2: James Macpherson with freyer Leitch and filling in for Caleb Bond.
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  Speaker 2: Joe Hildebrand. Coming up tonight, the US government sanctions un
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  Speaker 2: Rappenteur on Palestine. Francesca Albanezi. That makes two elban Ezies. Joe.
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  Speaker 2: That Donald Trump Band's debut album shoots to number one
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  Speaker 2: on the charts before fans realize the band is actually
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  Speaker 2: AI But does it really matter? And what was Hugh
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  Speaker 2: Grant doing at Wimbledon? He sure wasn't watching the tennis.
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  Speaker 2: All of that coming up, But first, I'm old enough
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  Speaker 2: to remember when childcare workers were trained in basics like
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  Speaker 2: how not to drop a baby or accidentally feed of
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  Speaker 2: toddler a peanut sandwich. But it was revealed today that
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  Speaker 2: government bandiated childcare training begins not with nappies and nutrition,
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  Speaker 2: but with lectures on gender identity. One of the first
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  Speaker 2: modules childcare workers must undertake in their Certificate three qualification
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  Speaker 2: is called inclusion and diversity. It's designed to give kindy
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  Speaker 2: staff an appreciation of children's and I quote culture, race, disability,
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  Speaker 2: gender and gender identification, intergenerational disadvantage, family type, sexual orientation
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  Speaker 2: and sexual identity. But that is not the craziest part.
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  Speaker 2: According to a report in The Australian, the training template
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  Speaker 2: puts diversity and inclusion training ahead of the module on
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  Speaker 2: children's health, safety and well being, and so it should.
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  Speaker 2: What good is hygiene, food safety and infection control if
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  Speaker 2: kids can't identify which colors refer to which sexual orientations
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  Speaker 2: on the Pride flag? Freyer, This would be hilarious if
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't so damn scandalous.
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  Speaker 3: So scandalous.
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  Speaker 4: And last year there were eighteen thousand serious incidences in
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  Speaker 4: childcare centers. One child died, over three thousand was sent
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  Speaker 4: to hospital, over two thousand were unaccounted for, either lost
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  Speaker 4: or locked out of the childcare center. Is really serious?
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  Speaker 2: Well, how many were misgendered?
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  Speaker 3: But it's good, I know.
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  Speaker 4: But it's actually not surprising because if you look at
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  Speaker 4: the National Quality Framework, which is essentially the curriculum for
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  Speaker 4: early childhood, they encourage educators to critically reflect, to employ
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  Speaker 4: post structuralist and feminist critical theory, to look at sustainability
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  Speaker 4: and teach Indigenous ancestral ways of knowing like I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 4: zero two three year olds. They need care, they need love,
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  Speaker 4: they need emotional support.
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  Speaker 3: Preferably from their parents.
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  Speaker 4: They do not need lectures in post structuralists, feminist theories
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  Speaker 4: on sustainability and indigenous knowledge.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that. I mean, some of this stuff
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  Speaker 1: is sort of nice and it's good. Hey, we should
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  Speaker 1: all get along, and don't you know, I don't tease
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  Speaker 1: other kids because they're different or whatever. I think that's
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  Speaker 1: pretty much as far as it needs to go. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think you need I think we don't need. I
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  Speaker 1: think it didn't praise all you need to explore their
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  Speaker 1: sexuality or you know, has the questions about gender identity.
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  Speaker 1: And the real problem with this though, was whether or
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  Speaker 1: even if even if like even if you're sort of
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  Speaker 1: not offended by it or you don't think it's outrageous
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  Speaker 1: in the collapse of Western civilization, which you know, we'll see.
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  Speaker 1: The problem is that in other reports it has been
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  Speaker 1: shown that it is bureaucracy and paperwork and all this
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  Speaker 1: sort of unnecessary, Like any training, any activity that you
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  Speaker 1: do that is not absolutely core to taking care of
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  Speaker 1: kids and educating kids is obviously taking you away from
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  Speaker 1: doing that. And we've seen that childcareworks have said that
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  Speaker 1: you know, kids are slipping through the gaps, all that
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  Speaker 1: necessary safety procedures are not necessarily being followed. All the
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  Speaker 1: staff to child ratios aren't being filled, which of course
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  Speaker 1: is vital for safety and keeping an eye on kids
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  Speaker 1: and making sure any dodgy behavior is picked up on.
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  Speaker 1: And that is not happening because childcare workers are understaffed
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  Speaker 1: and drowning in exactly this kind of dross crap that
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  Speaker 1: look might not be terrible, but it's just not helpful.
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  Speaker 1: It just gets in the way of their primary focus.
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  Speaker 1: And you say this with teachers as well. I mean
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  Speaker 1: the amount, and it's not just you know, with all
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  Speaker 1: the sort of pc you know, ridiculous, you know whatever,
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  Speaker 1: it is, touchy feely stuff, but even with things like
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  Speaker 1: and again they're so conscientious about it. You know, if
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  Speaker 1: your kid falls over, you know, they have to call you, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: to give them a panadole. They have to you know,
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  Speaker 1: if they scrape their knee, you need to sign a
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  Speaker 1: you know, fill out a form and sign that they
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  Speaker 1: sign a form that they've filled out to say that
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  Speaker 1: you know that they fell down and scraped their knee.
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  Speaker 1: And look, there are reasons for all of this stuff,
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  Speaker 1: and that's in part so they can pick up on
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  Speaker 1: any injuries the kid might have that are suspicious. But again,
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  Speaker 1: anything they're doing aside from that stops them from doing that.
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  Speaker 2: And that's all they did to catch twenty two, isn't it,
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  Speaker 2: Because every problem childcare then results in more regulation, which
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  Speaker 2: then just swamps childcare workers with a million documents they've
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  Speaker 2: got to fill out.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, answer to this, I think there's less regulation
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  Speaker 1: or less unnecessary red tape and more focus.
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  Speaker 2: What I don't buy though, is this whole thing, well,
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  Speaker 2: we're teaching kids respect. I mean, you don't need to
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  Speaker 2: sert three provided by the government to know how to
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  Speaker 2: teach kids, share, don't speak nastily to you know, take turns,
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  Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. This is purely an aim to
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  Speaker 2: inculcate a particular ideology with regards to sexuality and gender,
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  Speaker 2: and it's about on three levels. Firstly, it confuses kids.
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  Speaker 2: A two year old of three year old doesn't need
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  Speaker 2: to know anything about gender identity. Second, it conflicts with
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  Speaker 2: a lot of parents' values, and your kids are being minded,
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  Speaker 2: they shouldn't be given values that conflict with your own.
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  Speaker 2: It's just not necessary. But as Joe said, it distracts
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  Speaker 2: from the real work of childcare, which is caring for
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  Speaker 2: kids basic needs, not providing all of this other stuff.
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  Speaker 4: And it should be noted it didn't always, it didn't
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  Speaker 4: used to be like this. These reforms largely came in
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  Speaker 4: under the Gillard government in the early twenty tens and
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  Speaker 4: basically the whole structure of the subsidy now rewards people
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  Speaker 4: for sending their kids to formal institutional child care. So
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  Speaker 4: what we've seen over the last twenty years has been
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  Speaker 4: a shift away from informal care Nanni's grandparents, family daycares,
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  Speaker 4: and towards these massive, multimillion dollar corporatized institutions that has
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  Speaker 4: coincided with massive amounts of new regulations and bureaucratic red tape.
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  Speaker 4: And in the process of that shift from really being
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  Speaker 4: about the care of children to being a twenty billion
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  Speaker 4: dollar profit making industry propped up by taxpayers, it's children
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  Speaker 4: that have fallen through the cracks. And the reality is
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  Speaker 4: there is never going to be a system or an
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  Speaker 4: institution which replaces the love and care the parents provide
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  Speaker 4: for their kids. So the fact that we are now
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  Speaker 4: in a situation in Australia where women, particularly face this
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  Speaker 4: terrible dilemma. You have to go back to work to
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  Speaker 4: survive economically as a family, but if you do that,
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  Speaker 4: you have to send your kids to childcare. There's no
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  Speaker 4: way to get around that, and it's absolutely crushing for families.
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  Speaker 1: Well, in good news, I dare say watch this space
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  Speaker 1: because I believe later in the show will be revealing
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  Speaker 1: that something might just be done about this little this
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  Speaker 1: little little peccadillo. There you go.
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  Speaker 2: Well, of course, the big news of today was that
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  Speaker 2: the government's envoy to combat anti Semitism, Gillian Siegel, has
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  Speaker 2: released her report and the Albanezi received it today. Before
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  Speaker 2: we go through some of the things that are in
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  Speaker 2: that report, here she is talking about why anti Semitism
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  Speaker 2: is a problem not just for the Jews, but for
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  Speaker 2: the entire Australian community.
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  Speaker 5: These are not isolated events and they form part of
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  Speaker 5: a broader pattern of intimidation and violence that is making
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  Speaker 5: very Jewish Australians feel very unsafe. And this should concern
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  Speaker 5: every Australian because the safety and dignity of one community
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  Speaker 5: affects us all.
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  Speaker 2: Now, just to quickly look at some of the recommendations
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  Speaker 2: in her report, she's recommended that the government increases visa
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  Speaker 2: applicant screening to weed out people who have anti Semitic views,
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  Speaker 2: anti Semitism to be taught in school curriculums, to be
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  Speaker 2: combated on social media. A special Envoy for media monitoring,
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  Speaker 2: particularly the ABC and SBS. In addition, a report card
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  Speaker 2: system which measures how all of these are operating. Funding
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  Speaker 2: can be withdrawn from universities and from arts festivals where
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  Speaker 2: they receive public money if they allow anti semitism, and
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  Speaker 2: a commission of inquiry. The other thing that the Special
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  Speaker 2: Envoy talked about was trying to limit not just speech
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  Speaker 2: that is inciting to violence, but more generally speech that
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  Speaker 2: promotes hate. Have a listen to this.
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  Speaker 5: We will look at whether it is now necessary to
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  Speaker 5: strengthen hate crime legislation, including provisions relating to not only
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  Speaker 5: incitement and vilification and prohibitive symbols which we have, but
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  Speaker 5: actual hatred and the speaking of hatred and demonstrated hatred.
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  Speaker 2: I want to talk about that in just a second,
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  Speaker 2: but before we do, here's the Prime Minister's response.
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  Speaker 3: Man.
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  Speaker 2: He was full of conviction and principle and leadership when
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  Speaker 2: he said, I'll think about it. Will now carefully consider
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  Speaker 2: the Report recommendations. There's a number of things in here
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  Speaker 2: that we are doing. As a number of things can
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  Speaker 2: be implemented quickly, there are a number of things that
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  Speaker 2: will require work over a period of time. We should
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  Speaker 2: come back to the Prime Minister later. I obviously as
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  Speaker 2: a massive need to do something about anti Semitism. The
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  Speaker 2: sad part to me, Freyer, is there would not be
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  Speaker 2: a need for the government to do all of these
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  Speaker 2: things if two years ago they'd simply come down hard
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  Speaker 2: from the very start of all of this stuff erupting,
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  Speaker 2: which shocked all of us, and the government has pretty
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  Speaker 2: much sat by and watched it unfold and dithered until
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  Speaker 2: we get to a point where now we've had synagogue's firebomb,
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  Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. On it goes. So it's a
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  Speaker 2: great need for all these things. I just worry about
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  Speaker 2: the Envoy talking about we've got to outlaw hate. You're
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  Speaker 2: starting to get to a point there where it starts
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  Speaker 2: to get a bit fuzzy and a bit nebulous for
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  Speaker 2: my liking.
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  Speaker 4: And it also wouldn't be necessary if we had a
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  Speaker 4: government or should I say governments that had an immigration
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  Speaker 4: policy that only allowed people into the country who share
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  Speaker 4: our values, who actually want to integrate into a Judeo
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  Speaker 4: Christian country where we value the Jewish community and everything
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  Speaker 4: that they bring to our nation. And so I think
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  Speaker 4: that's the core problem. We've had multiple governments that have
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  Speaker 4: not wanted to confront this issue head on. They don't
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  Speaker 4: want to look at the immigration policy. They don't want
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  Speaker 4: to look at visa applicants screening, which is what that is.
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  Speaker 4: It's saying, actually, if you want to come to this country,
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  Speaker 4: you have to share our values. We are not going
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  Speaker 4: to willingly import anti Semites like that is just common sense.
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  Speaker 4: But the fact that it has had to get to
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  Speaker 4: this point where you're seeing synagogues being firebomb for them
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  Speaker 4: to go, maybe we shouldn't let anti Semites get visas,
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  Speaker 4: I mean seriously, and for this all to cumulate in
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  Speaker 4: the Prime Minister going I'll think about it, even though
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  Speaker 4: we know he's had the report for a week now,
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  Speaker 4: I guarantee you most of these recommendations will go completely
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  Speaker 4: on action. They will say it's too hard, it's the
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  Speaker 4: responsibility of the state government. We don't want to get
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  Speaker 4: politicize antisemitism. And again there will be in action.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, I mean Jones is an interesting point
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  Speaker 1: is one. I think we both looked at each other
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  Speaker 1: as the Special Envoy was saying that, going, oh, that
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  Speaker 1: sounds a little bit like you know, is that you know?
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  Speaker 1: Is that a blasphemy law? That a great that's right.
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  Speaker 1: And the truth is that once you're talking about this,
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  Speaker 1: like I say about Liverpoty, once you're talking about quotas,
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of too late because the problem is too
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  Speaker 1: big to be solved by a quota. Once you're talking
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  Speaker 1: about regulating what is said on social media, what is
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  Speaker 1: said by the ABC on SBS, and someone gets out
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  Speaker 1: and counts a number of times you've said this, and
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  Speaker 1: counts a number of times said that and says, oh,
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  Speaker 1: it was one more than the other, it's kind of
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  Speaker 1: almost too like. The problem is, and it's not a
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  Speaker 1: problem that we've imported from overseas, because there are plenty
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  Speaker 1: of homegrown, over privileged little socialist douchebags also. But it's
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  Speaker 1: been here long before it came from overseas, and most
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  Speaker 1: of our immigrants from India and China and the UK
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  Speaker 1: and Europe anyway, so it's always.
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  Speaker 2: Been here, but it seems like it's been given license butnments.
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  Speaker 1: But not only that, it's been it's been given cultural license.
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  Speaker 1: It's been given Anti Semitism has kind of become a
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  Speaker 1: bit edgy and cool. And I'm convinced that the reason
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  Speaker 1: why people are so obsessed with you know what you know,
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  Speaker 1: but with Palestine and that being the cause to azure
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  Speaker 1: as opposed to say Afghanistan Iraq. I mean, there were
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  Speaker 1: a few sort of protests there, but it didn't have
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  Speaker 1: that same level of fury things that are happening in Africa.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the boats come out and said, you know,
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  Speaker 1: five hundred thousand Nigerians are dying every year. No one's
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  Speaker 1: saying boo about that. And it's because I think it's
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  Speaker 1: a little bit taboo, it's a little bit for boter,
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  Speaker 1: and so people think this is my one chance to actually,
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  Speaker 1: you know, go hard on the Jews. But I can
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  Speaker 1: say it's just because I'm anti Zionis, I'm anti colonial,
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  Speaker 1: I'm anti Israel, and I'm absolutely convinced that that is
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  Speaker 1: a huge part of it. And so it's been given
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  Speaker 1: sort of a license by the left. It's been given
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  Speaker 1: so and that's why it's exploded on the streets. That's
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  Speaker 1: why we're seeing this sort of stuff happen because nudge, nudge,
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  Speaker 1: wink wink. The intelligentsia, the academics we've seen both here
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  Speaker 1: and overseas say oh no, it's actually okay to say
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  Speaker 1: all that. And if someone says you're anti Semitic, just
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  Speaker 1: say no, you're just anti Zion.
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  Speaker 4: But it is worth noting that Australia is one of
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  Speaker 4: the few countries in the world has never had formal
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  Speaker 4: discrimination against Jewish people, so anti Semitism, while there are
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  Speaker 4: obviously always instances of it, it has never been this
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  Speaker 4: institutionalized prejudice like it has been in so many parts
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  Speaker 4: of the world. And that's what's scary, the fact that
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  Speaker 4: we are losing that. But someone else who's taking action
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  Speaker 4: on anti Semitism is the United States.
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  Speaker 3: They have officially.
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  Speaker 4: Announced sanctions on the UN Special Rapporteur for Palestine, Francesca Albanesi.
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  Speaker 4: No relations to Prime Minister Albanesi, but similar in some respects.
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  Speaker 4: Marco Rubio, the Secretary of State, tweeted today I'm imposing
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  Speaker 4: sanctions on the UN Human Rights Council Special Rapperteur Francesco
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  Speaker 4: Albanesi for her illegitimate and shameful efforts to prompt the
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  Speaker 4: International Criminal Court action against US and Israeli officials, companies,
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  Speaker 4: and executives, and he goes on to talk about how
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  Speaker 4: this level of warfare against the United States will not
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  Speaker 4: be tolerated.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 4: Francesca Almineasy is interesting because she's currently under investigation by
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  Speaker 4: the UN for a twenty thousand dollars lobbying trip she
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  Speaker 4: took to Australia funded by the Australian Friends of Palestine,
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  Speaker 4: and that same group has eulogized her mass on their
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  Speaker 4: ex account, and so it's it's a little interesting. Finally
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  Speaker 4: it seems like someone is taking action against the corrupt
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  Speaker 4: United Nations. But she's already done so much damage. She
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  Speaker 4: said the US is subjugated by the Jewish lobby. She
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  Speaker 4: since deleted that post, thankfully. On October seven, she said,
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  Speaker 4: we have to look at the context of the violence.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, this is just we should be.
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  Speaker 1: A Greens MP. She's ticking all the boxes.
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  Speaker 2: She's retweeted that Donald Trump is a white supremacist. She
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  Speaker 2: has comparing with Grema Nazi very much. She's called for
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  Speaker 2: her mask to be taken off the terror list, and
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  Speaker 2: on and on it goes. It's good to see the
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  Speaker 2: leader of the free world, actually providing leadership for the
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  Speaker 2: free world. We should see a little bit more of
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  Speaker 2: it for the US to say we're not going to
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  Speaker 2: put up with this nonsense from the United Nations, whom
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  Speaker 2: the US overwhelmingly fund far more than any other country
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  Speaker 2: on the planet. For them to take this stand, it's
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  Speaker 2: about time we've seen this. Imagine if our government, penny
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  Speaker 2: one or someone actually stood up to the United Nations
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  Speaker 2: and said, we send you guys money, but we will
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  Speaker 2: not continue doing that if you continue sprouting this rubbish.
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  Speaker 1: Well ken, I just think that's another example of what
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  Speaker 1: happens when you have this sort of bonkers you know,
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  Speaker 1: other middle class cultural elite, which is sort of structurally
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  Speaker 1: left wing, sees everything, sees the entire issue through the
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  Speaker 1: prism of Palestine and Israel.
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  Speaker 2: Be talking about the UN generally.
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  Speaker 1: Well, actually could almost be the entire unpatus. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this is part of the problem that you have this
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  Speaker 1: kind of group feed and you have her as you know,
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  Speaker 1: even the fact she's a special reporter for the occupied
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  Speaker 1: Palestinian territories, obviously that means she feels like they're unrightfully occupied.
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  Speaker 1: That means that that's all she's going to focus on
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  Speaker 1: to the exclusion of other competing narratives, and that means, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: once you see everything through that prism, that's where you land.
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  Speaker 1: You see Israel as a genocideal illegitimate power and Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump as a white supremacist.
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  Speaker 2: Well, speaking of Donald Trump, obviously, the Orchist Pact is
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  Speaker 2: still under review and there's suggestions in the media today.
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  Speaker 2: The Sydney Morning Herald published one such article suggesting that
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  Speaker 2: the Trump administration may stay with the orchest Pact but
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  Speaker 2: compel Australia to agree that in the event of war
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  Speaker 2: between the US and China, the submarines provided by America
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  Speaker 2: to Australia would be available and used in a war
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  Speaker 2: against China. Of course, the argument against this frayre is
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  Speaker 2: going to be that we are a sovereign nation and
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  Speaker 2: so we will determine how our military assets are used.
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  Speaker 2: We're not going to have the United States compelling us
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  Speaker 2: to use our assets, and we don't know the circumstances
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  Speaker 2: of a war in the future, so we'll decide if
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  Speaker 2: and when a war eventuates, not in advance because that's
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  Speaker 2: what the US demands. On the other hand, you'd think
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: it'd be pretty simple in the event of war, would
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: we support the United States or would we support communist China,
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: So it shouldn't be a hard decision. The fact this
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: question is vexed really goes to the nub of the issue,
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: and that is that the Albanesi government are so hard
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: to pin down on where they actually stand in terms
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: of their alliances now with the United States or with Jijinping,
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: who Anthony Albanesi is on his fourth visit to in
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: just a few weeks.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: And that's the core of the issue.
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: The fact that we're even asking this question, or the
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: US is contemplating the fact that in the event of
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: a war with Taiwan, which they've warned will be by
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty seven or later. Of course, the fact that
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: they're even worried that Australia would not back them with
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: our full might is extremely concerning. But some of the
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: other options canvassed is we would have to pay more
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: for ORCUS. I mean, we're already paying so much. And
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: part of the problem is the Albanezi government is spending
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: all this extra money on Orcust, but they're not adding
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: to overall defense spending, so you're having cuts in other areas,
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: so that wouldn't be good. And then the other option
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: is the US will look for a commitment on more
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: broad increases in defense spending.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: Now, given the inaction.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: We've seen on Albanezie, I know Joe is holding out
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: thinking that Labour's getting increased defense spending, but I don't
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: see them getting to a level that's substantial enough to actually.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: Deflect this as an issue.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: To get to three point five percent would be monumental,
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: and I don't think Albert has the strength of a
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: leadership to do that.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we wouldn't get to three point five. I wouldn't
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: think we might not ever get to three, but we'd
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: get higher than I think two point three, which is
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: where we are. As long as there's movement and as
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: long as both sides look like they've got something out
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: of the other, than everybody will we actually do is
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: have a meeting.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: More money spent on Orcus means probably cutting back on cookbooks.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, the well I think that. I think the
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: amount spent on that cookbook, as ridiculous as it was,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: was about eighteen hundred dollars. So it's going to cost
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: slightly more than that to buy a Virginia class nuclear submarine.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: We're going to spend way more anyway, Inevitably, the cost
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: of these things always blows out. We don't even have
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: anything to buy yet, that's the truth of it. There's
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: actually nothing. We've already given nothing. Eight hundred million, just
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: kind of as a kind of as a layby for
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: when they finally roll out. But if the payoff is
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: that Australia has to join the U, join the US
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: if the US is under attack from China, then that
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: would be an absolute bargain because under the terms of
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: the Ancestry, that's what we already have to do, right,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: But the ancest Treaty says that if any of the
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: member states are attacked, then basically the other the others
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: have to come to its aid. You are automatically on
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: that on the side of that power. So assuming that
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: it's China that attacks the US, then we're in. We're in.
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: Well, I guess the only thing there would be if
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: they don't attack the US but they attack Taiwan. Would
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: Almaniki try to weasele his way out of it.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: But again, I mean every time, this is why I
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: keep saying, every time the US has gone into the
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: most hair brained, questionably motivated foreign theater of war. Australia
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: has been right there. We're the only ally that has
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: been with the US in Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq, and
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: I dare say, you know, we can't afford not to
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: be on their site in a court.
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: Well, let's hope that continues into the future and we
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: don't go as crazy as this bishop in Southern California,
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: the bishop of a Catholic diocese in southern California. They
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: have about a million people in this diocese. He has
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: issued a special dispensation saying to his parishioners that you
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: are no longer required to attend Mass.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: If you're scared of ice raids. Yes, I'm serious.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: If you are an illegal immigrant and your gnnuinely scared
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: of the police, this Catholic bishop says you don't have
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: to attend church.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure which.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: Bible he's been reading, because last time I had a
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: look Render onto Caesars. What is Caesar's honor the Emperor.
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: There's a lot in there about respecting the authorities that God.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Has put on this earth.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: So I'm not sure why he's encouraging his citizens to.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: Avoid the law.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the bishop announced to his congregation in issuing this decree,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: I am guided by the Church's mission to care for
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: the spiritual welfare of all intrust into my care, particularly
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: those who face fear or hardship, by which he means
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: those who are breaking the law. Gavin Newsom, the governor
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: of California, he was outraged at this, saying people now
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: have to choose between faith and freedom. Two thoughts on that. Firstly,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Gavin Newsom was the one who banned people going to
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: church during COVID while you're allowed to go to places
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: selling marijuana, but you couldn't go to church. Now, all
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: of a sudden, he's about religious freedom. The thing, of course,
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: is that faith and doing the right thing according to
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: the law are not mutually exclusive. In fact, some would
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: say they actually go together. So Gavin Newsom is not
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: only misunderstanding freedom of religion, he's misunderstanding the very point
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: of Christianity, which is obey the laws of the government.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: If you're an illegal, you should go home, not find
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: sanctuary in your local church or be hidden by your vicarger.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Yes, he did. I noticed in the notes you pulled
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: out the big gun, James. You pulled out Paul, who
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: actually said to someone who a slave who escaped his
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: master and wanted to run and join the sort of
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: nascent Christian church, And Paul said, oh, no, no, sorry,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: you have to go back to You have to go
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: back to your master. And that is a good example.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: You read my pre show notes.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: I read your appreciation. I was very proud. I've been
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: waiting for a theological debate on the show my whole life.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: The problem with that is that I suppose it's something
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: that you know. Paul also said there is neither master
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: nor slave, nor male nor female or one in Christ Jesus.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: I seem to contradict himself a bit there, but also
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: that that passage was what let Southern American Christians, and
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: indeed Christians right throughout the Americas and elsewhere, justify chattel
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: slavery for its entire existence. People people die their own purpose,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: they do so.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: But Bible continually teaches obey the law of the land.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, legal separation between church and state. Render run di Caesar?
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: What is Caesar? And under God? What is God's? But
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: I also say, got to do with this? No, no,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. You're right you're right, okay, that
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: you can that you you know that the two things
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: are separate, otherwise you're living in a theocracy. But I
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: don't like the idea of ice agents using church services
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: or masses to conduct what surveillance? And do they I
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: assume they're not interrupting the service, Are they're just waiting
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: outside or do they follow them home and then arrest
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: that I don't know. I reckon lay off the church services.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: That does not sit well with me. I reckon that
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: should be you know, churches are to be sanctuaries from
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: that sort of stuff, even if you go and obey
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: the law when you go home.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Well, not only are churches meant to be sanctuaries, but
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: the doctor patient relationship is also meant to be sacred.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Although you know, there are times when perhaps doctors could
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: be a little forthcoming with information, particularly Joe Biden's doctor,
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connor. He was giving evidence to a House Oversight
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: committee that we're looking into whether or not people covered
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: up Joe Biden's mental and physical decline while he was
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: President of the United States. It's a fairly important question
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: to ask. So Biden's doctor was called to give evidence
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: that he was asked if he'd ever told a lie
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: about the president's health. Here's how he responded, were you
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: ever told to lie about the President's health?
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: On the advased Council?
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: I must be respectfully decline to answer based by the
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: physician piece of privilege.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: And in reliance.
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: I'm a rate under the fifth Amend of the Constitution.
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: I am not a lawyer. I must follow my lawyer's
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: face in this matter.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: It's a pretty simple yes or oh question. Will you
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: ever ask to lie about the President's health?
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: No? Never?
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Or actually yes? But instead he pleaded the fifth as
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: he did fourteen times in twenty minutes.
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: I must respectfully declaim the answer beast on the physician
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: patient privilege and reliance. I may rate under the fifth
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: Amendment of the Constitution. I m I rate under fifth
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: Miniment of the Constitution.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: I rate under fifth.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: Matter of the Constitution, the Constitution of the Constitution. Now,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: of course, everybody said, if he won't answer the question,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: that proves he's hiding something. His lawyer, however, said no, no,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: it just proves that he holds the doctor patient relationship
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: sacred and he is committed to that.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: Thoughts, do you buy that I mean, he's not doing
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: himself any favors by saying that at least give us something,
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: at least say no, I didn't lie or I told
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: the truth or anything, but just to say I plead
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: the fifth constantly. All that does is just advanced speculation
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: that now I think is very well founded that Joe
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: Biden was actually incapacitated for the majority of his presidency.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: I mean, there was an event hosted by George Clooney.
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: He walked up to George Clooney, he didn't even recognize
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: who he was, like, this was this man was leading
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: the free world.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: And as part of You Be Fair, George Clooney hasn't
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: had a decent movie in quite.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: A word, exactly which one is leading the free world close.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: But as part of this inquiry, they're also looking into
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: the autopen and whether that might have been abused by
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: others around Biden, and that has massive implications. If it's
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: found that Biden wasn't able to know what he was
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: signing and others were using the autopen on his behalf,
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: all of the pardons he granted to the Biden family
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: potentially gone, all of the executive orders gone. So I mean,
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: huge potential ramifications from this, yeah, very much.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: And again from what I saw, I must I mean,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: I didn't see the whole testimony. It seems like there
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: wasn't much to say. Pretty much. He wasn't like getting
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: all high and mighty on the hippocratic oath and saying
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, as a doctor right could and possibly reveal
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: the most intimate man. He says, oh, based on my
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: lawyer's advice. I'm not a lawyer. My lawyer told me
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: to say this, And so it looks like the lawyers
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: the sort of dodgy sleazy wanted for something to hide
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: instead of him, so that it wasn't like he was
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: pretending particularly convincingly that this was I mean, I know
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: they said it afterwards, but at the time that this
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: was this sort of gross violation of you know, doctor patience,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: privilege of confidentiality. And the worst part is, of course,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: though you're not allowed to in a courtroom, this was
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: the court room, but you're not allowed to assume the
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: way the Fifth Amendment work is, even though it is
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: so clearly someone who has something to hide who would
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: use it, you're actually like, if you're a jury or
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: a sitting body, you're not allowed to infer that it
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: is the most frustrating thing in the world. So the Americans,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: with their annoying loves of freedoms and rights and everything,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: they keep protecting this.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: His testimony was meant to go for hours. It only
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: lasted twenty minutes because you refused to answer anything. We've
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: shown you most of it. But there's one other part
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: of his testimony that was broadcast by CNN, thinking think.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: There you go. All right.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: There's a new folk band that's been number one on
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: various platforms in the UK, Sweden, and Norway. I don't
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: know if you've heard of them. They're called The Velvet Sundown.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: They put out their debut album in June and it
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: just rocketed up the charts. They attracted one point one
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: million listeners a month on Spotify. But things started to
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: get a little curious when having released their debut album
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: in June, just a couple of weeks later they released
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: a second album. These guys are producing music like nobody's business.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: But people kept on listening, their followers kept growing, and
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: then they finally admitted, actually they don't exist. It's all
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Ai generated his taste of their music.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Dust on the Wind.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: On the Ground smoking sky. He's found really run rare.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: The drums all also.
• 30:21
  Speaker 6: Tell me, brother, where do E gole?
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Why anyone would listen to inane platitudes like that?
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: They are to twenty twenty five what Millie Vanilli was
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: to nineteen eighty nine.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Ray that amazingly Joe.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: A lot of people are saying, no, I'm still listening
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: to it even though it's AI. The moment I found it,
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: say I I lost interest completely, not that I like
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: them at first place.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Welcome the adult contemporary rock. That's what it is. That's
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: that's exactly what it is. You can listen to any
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: sort of ninety's power ballot, it's almost exactly the same.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: So I think, you know, musos just have to lift
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: their game. But if, again, like you said, you listen
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: to the lyrics, they sound profound, but they don't actually
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: say anything at all, Right, So that's a good chance.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: In that sense, it's quite pretty chance you're listening.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: To either AI or Brian Adams.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: No, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a lot of
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: other music that is trending in the chants right now
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: that is actually AI generated and we just don't know
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: it yet, But what else.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Are we going to find? Is AI generated?
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: The sky's the limit?
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: Honestly, we are living in this new reality where you
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: don't know if the stuff you've been listening to was
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: made by a human or just AI.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Wasn't there speculation during the election that the Libs rap
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: song that they put on about anthiey Abinezi was not
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: in fact an authentic rapper who was just fed up
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: with fiscally responsibility lack of budget rectitude, That.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: May in fact have been a jo I was there
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: when that rap song was cres and I can reveal
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: it was a real rapper, so not Ai.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: But it was a funny critic.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Are they digging anywhere?
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: I can't disclose that.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: But I want to introduce you guys to the people
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: in South Wales who have probably the cushiest job.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: It's the New South Wales train drivers.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: Now, the average train driver in New South Wales is
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: getting paid around one hundred and thirty thousand dollars and
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: they've just won another twelve percent pay rise with some
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: extra perks, including extra pay for picking dead animals off
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: the tracks, more pay for guarding workplace assets. I'm not
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: sure what that exactly means also they'll now receive an
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: allowance for dangerous work while they're on leave.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: Now, of course, everyone deserves me well paid.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: But what does that mean you so essentially a highly
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: unionized workforce and now going to be paid more than dentists,
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: many lawyers, nurses, teachers, people who just press buttons like
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: this is why we need more driverless metros so we
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: can get rid of the most unproductive industry.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Funny you mentioned less metros because the Min's government famously
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: worked out a little deal with the union who wanted
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: drivers on driverless metro trains. That's ridiculous. So instead of
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: having drivers on driverless trains, the Min's government agreed to
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: have customer journey coordinator. I travel on the metro fairly regularly, Joe,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: and most nights there's a customer journey coordinator leaning against
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: a pole, playing on his phone, being paid a pretty sum.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: By the night guy. There there's a sop to the union.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: You want to you know what, you're feeling a bit lonely,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: want to shoot the breeze with someone, you know. I
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: once nearly got on the wrong bus after I dropped
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: off at Cindeam, you know, and well, I found the
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: right bus, but they were still there in case I
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: did need to ask them.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: So Frey was asking what all these allowances actually mean.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: What it means is that the Union held a gun
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: to chris Min's head and they held Sydney commuter's ransom
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: and they were rewarded for it.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Actually does mean that that's true. Come on, scraping the
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: dead carcasses off the tracks, you've got to get an
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: allowed that is fair.
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: Originally they were actually asking for a thirty two pay rise,
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: so I guess twelve percent is a little more reasonable
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: than that. But Joe, this entire week you've been banging
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: on about the new Superman film hitting cinemas tonight, not
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: at least, and the first reviews are out.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: Who's right, James and I? Or is it? Actually?
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: It's not a competition. I don't want to be like that.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: You've been banging on about this all week.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: No, No, not really all. Well, let's look, I don't
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: want to startify here. I'll just go to I'll just
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: go to a little report. I just happened to come
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: across the complete coincidence on the internet, completely randomly by
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Forbus magazine. You might have heard it very reputable authority,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: and it simply said that the New Superman film just
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: set a Rotten Tomatoes audience score record. It is officially
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: the most beloved Superman film of all time. And you
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: see that second figure there with the popcorn next. Ninety
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: ninety six percent of audience members rated it a thumbs up,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: and even the all important the critics average eighty three percent. Now,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: that was actually eighty five percent last night, So I
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: don't know. There's some dirty little snider bot troll so
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: we're trying to drag it down, but it is just
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: the absolute bomb. Let's watch a little grab from the
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: trailer for what will be my six hundred and eighty
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  Speaker 1: seventh time.
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  Speaker 5: Recently, you've come under a lot of fire for what
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  Speaker 5: some made.
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  Speaker 1: It's a lot.
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  Speaker 5: Today the Secretary of Defense said he was going to
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: look into your actions.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: That's funny, my actions.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: I stopped a war.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: He stopped a war. Frayer, he stopped a war.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Well, we'll see it this week, Joan, we'll judge.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Just I didn't have to say this the best, but
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: just give me money. We're going to go to a break.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: When we can come back, we'll look at what's making
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  Speaker 2: headlines tomorrow, including a grandma from Gaza detained by ASIO.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: She's been deemed a threat to national security. That coming
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  Speaker 2: up and more in just a month. Welcome back to
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: the program. Let's look at what's making headlines tomorrow so
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: you hear it here First and Frey are a pretty
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: interesting story on the front page of tomorrow's Telegraph.
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  Speaker 3: Very interesting.
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  Speaker 4: The headline is ASIO raids Gaza gran spy agency zones
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  Speaker 4: in on Palestinian Grandma. A sixty one year old grandmother
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  Speaker 4: from Gaza was detained in a pre dawn raid on
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  Speaker 4: her Bankstown home yesterday after she was deemed a security
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  Speaker 4: threat by ASIO. A letter related to the secretive operation
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  Speaker 4: by federal authorities states Maha al Masri had been assessed
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  Speaker 4: by ASIO, which found she failed the character test to
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: hold a visa in Australia. The document state the Immigration
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  Speaker 4: Department got an adverse security assessment in which she was
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  Speaker 4: deemed a direct or indirect risk to security.
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  Speaker 3: What do you know a terrorist controlled.
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: Enclave that has the support of the majority of its
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  Speaker 4: residents and you bring some to Australia and they actually
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  Speaker 4: pose a security risk?
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  Speaker 2: Why were we doing character tests after people arrived in
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: the country. Is it meant to be done to determine
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  Speaker 2: whether or not they can enter.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously, they hit a preliminary character test and they're just
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: so incredibly thorough, so they thought we'll just go back
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: and we just better do another one just to be sure.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: And now they've picked up that maybe old Gaza Grain
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: is a bit problematic, and you know they're keeping an
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: eye on her the past. It works, that's the take
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: home message. The system works.
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  Speaker 2: The part of this story I thought was interesting was
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: her family deny that she's a threat and they are
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: outraged that the government have done this. But then as
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: a result of Asio's actions, there was a spawntaneous protest
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  Speaker 2: outside the Office of Immigration and Home Affairs Minister Tony
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  Speaker 2: Burke where people yelled not the family, I'm not suggesting
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: the family, but whoever. These protesters were yelled death, death
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  Speaker 2: to the IDF. I would suggest that's probably not the
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  Speaker 2: greatest way to demonstrate the person you're trying to support.
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  Speaker 2: It's not a threat to national security.
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  Speaker 4: And this was the thing when Labor was bringing in
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: I think it was what twelve hundred gardens. How do
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  Speaker 4: you do character assessments on people where the government is
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  Speaker 4: Hamas and they're in a war zone. You can't carry
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  Speaker 4: out the normal assessments. We know they weren't done, and
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: they were given tourist visas, most of them, and so look,
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  Speaker 4: what do you know, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well I think obviously, pretty obviously, obviously, pretty obviously the
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: initial test, just the sheer elective time makes it. Obviously,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: the span of time being so quick they wanted to
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: get them out of there quickly. They were obviously just
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: quick initial tests. And then they've followed up with more
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: thorough tests onto another completely unrelated story which has nothing
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  Speaker 1: to do with the magnificent splash on a Daily Telegraph.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Clamp Down on hate, says Lachlan Leaming, who actually works
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: for the Telly. But we share all our awesome yarns
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: with our news court brothers and sisters. Clamp Down on hate,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: says Lachland Lemming. Foreigners trying to enter Australia would be
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: more strictly screened for antisemitic views or affiliations under proposed
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: measures to address a surge in hate. Arts bodies and
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: universities also face having stripped having funding stripped if they
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: failed to combat anti semitism.
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  Speaker 2: So there you go, Jillian Single Home Affairs Minister. She's
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: got more of a clue than Tony Burke.
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  Speaker 1: Well, obviously they've sort of had a look at Gaza
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Gram and thought, you know what, maybe we should screen
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: these people before they come here. And that's exactly what
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: they're going to do. Another win for the Albanezy labor gunment.
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  Speaker 4: But this is referencing this special Envoys report which has
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: not been accepted by the Albaneasi government. So this is
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: all stuff that's still in consideration. Maybe the Gas and
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: granny'll tip them over the edge of that. Maybe it
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: is time to do something about hate.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Can't be too careful, you know, they might you know,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: not find another one. Maybe they're just playing it down
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: so that, you know, to let their guard down. They're
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: just listening to the next chant of death, death to
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  Speaker 1: the idea.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: Let's go to the front page of the cans Post.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: They've got a story coming out of Queensland's magnificent Origin
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: win last night, Massive Blue get the pun there in
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: city After Origin. About three hundred State of Origin fans
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: erupted into a massive blue in kNs CBD after Queensland
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: celebrated a stunning victory against New South Wales. Police broke
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: up the brawl at the corner of Lake and Shield
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Streets three point fifteen am. White people on the streets
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: at three fifty am.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Celebrator fight, James.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: I suppose so. Multiple crews, including the Tactical Crime Squad,
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: were deployed to manage the disturbance. I love this part.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: The Queensland Police spokesman said the crowd appeared to be
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: celebrating Queensland's state of origin win so celebrating a little
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: too hard. In Cam's Last Night, the other story on
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: the front page of the Cam's post just mention it
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: briefly but it's a bit shocking. Sixteen year old guilty
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  Speaker 2: of rape. Teen had criminal history before horrific act. A
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  Speaker 2: teen who raked a woman as her husband was held
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  Speaker 2: at knife point in Far North Queensland had an eight
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: page criminal history and was on probation at the time
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: of the horrific act. A court has heard. That obviously
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: will outrage a lot of people when they read that.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Tomorrow is far too many of those kinds of stories.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, very very sad. We'll moving on to the Australian now.
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: Wong stirs Beijing for Albert easy trip. Foreign Minister Penny
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: Wong has expressed alarm over Beijing's strategic ambitions and surging
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: military capabilities, two days before Anthony Albanezi departs for a
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: six day visitor to China that will be closely watched
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: in Washington for any signs of Australian cow toeing. Speaking
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: in Malaysia, Senatawongs Australia didn't agree with all of Trump's policies,
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: but strongly supported an ongoing US presence in the Indo
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: Pacific as a vital counterweight to China's efforts to shift
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: the regional balance.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: Of power in its favor.
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  Speaker 4: I just love that Penny Wong has now suddenly realized
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: that actually maybe we should stand up to China.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: So that's what I want to ask you, Ja, what
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: gives here? Why is Penny Wong? So this is a
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: pretty strong statement from Penny Wong regouding China. Why now
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: it is?
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Well, it strangely coincides with hints emanating from the US
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: that perhaps Australia would be getting that meeting on Orcus
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: and getting that commitment to Orcus if it signaled that
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: it was definitely going to be on American side in
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: any potential future US China conflict or maybe it's just
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: a coincident.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Imagine the trouble we could have saved if they just
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: stated the bleeding obvious at the time, rather than taken
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: pushed right to the edge before finally they admit it.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, Trump, aside, who just says what visit his head?
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: And he can because he runs the most powerful country still,
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: thank God, in the world. So Trump can kind of
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: get away with saying something I've noticed even I remember
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: being at the massive APEX summit in Sydney where they
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: had shut down the whole CBD. You'll remember Freyer obviously
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: would have been doing gender studies in preschool.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: But there was a joint press conference between John Howard
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: and George W. Bush and they asked a question about China,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: and George W. Bush just laid down the law and said, well,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: if they do this, you know they're in trouble and
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: will do this and blah blah blah blahlah, so they
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: better not blah blah, better pull their head and yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: John Howard said, obviously, you know, we Australia respect you know,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: the Chinese people, blah blah blah, and he just had
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: to be more and this is John Howard, you know,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: the elder statesman. You had to be more sort of obsequreius.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: He couldn't afford to just say stuff because he wasn't
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: the US president holding the nuclear football. So Trump can
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: do all that stuff. Everyone else has to be a
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: bit more diplomatic.
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: So that's why to see Wong stirring things up. Finally,
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: also in the Australian tomorrow child safety overhaul, Australia's Child
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: can watchdog will demand stronger training in child safety in
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: their national shakeup of childcare qualifications. The Australian Children's Education
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: and Care Quality Authority said there would be a review
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: of the three and deployment qualifications, which now prioritize teaching
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: diversity and gender identity over health, safety and reporting of abuse.
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: Another group that's come to their senses a little too late.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: It shouldn't have.
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: To get to the point of crisis before you realize
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: maybe we should teach child safety over gender policy.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: Jason Claire, Federal Education Minister. Fine, upstanding patriot, the labor right,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: fixing the problem yet again.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Real quick before we go, Joe the Gold Coast Bulletin
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: have got a.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Lovely little so I do this thing Future gold Coast.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: I'll host a few of those things, but it's basically
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: just celebrating the city and saying, what a fantastic place
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: it is, what a bright future it's got, what it
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: has to do economically and everything. And just look at
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: that picture. That is not a I believe it or not.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: That is a picture by Glenn Hampsen, a very experienced
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: photographer for News, and it is absolutely the bomb. It's
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: not actually a bomb.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: It's a pretty great frontage. We're going to go to
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: a break. When we come back. Michelle Obama complains that
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: she wasn't raised with the certainty of maleness. Oh and
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: she grant what was he doing at Wimbledon? All of
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: that coming up at a moment. Well, if you've ever
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: wondered what Michelle Obama is doing now that her husband
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: is no longer the president, she's become a full time winger.
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: Yep, that seems to be all she does on her
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: podcast this time she's whinging about not having the certainty
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: of maleness.
• 45:46
  Speaker 7: I think we as women, we spend most of our
• 45:49
  Speaker 7: lives saying, well, maybe I don't know what I'm talking about.
• 45:52
  Speaker 7: We qualify everything, we apologize. We apologize. We don't want
• 45:57
  Speaker 7: to put our opinions on the table because maybe we're wrong.
• 46:00
  Speaker 7: We're always hedging, you know, because in the back of
• 46:03
  Speaker 7: our minds, we weren't raised with the certainty of maleness that,
• 46:07
  Speaker 7: you know, kind of the confidence that young men in
• 46:11
  Speaker 7: their thirties have, which they haven't earned, they just have it.
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure that's called humility. And I'm pretty sure
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: that's why I trust women to read instruction more than
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: I trust any man. I know my dad can't read instructions,
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: can't follow maps, but my mom always can.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: And that's because women are more humble. So I'll take that.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: I love story for Michelle Obama. She's still recovering from
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: those eight years in the White House.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: There certainty of maleness. I want to get some of that.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: That's fantastic. Is there like a pharmacy or something. Is
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: it like kind of a tiger testicle or I.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Think they call it or toxic masculinity?
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: All right, So Wimbledon is on at the moment, and
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: everyone loves the tennis. But imagine you get invited to
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Wimbledon to watch Novak Dokovich. Not only that, but you
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: get to sit in the Royal box. Wouldn't you love that?
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Well?
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Check out actor Hugh Grant. He fell asleep during the game.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: There.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: He is the twenty four time Open champion. Novak is
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: playing on center court, He's sitting right behind the Royals
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: and he is absolutely fast asleep. Those pictures generated outrage
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: in the UK, people saying they were lining up from
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: three am to watch a game. Hugh Grant gets in
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: and falls asleep.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: I thought, surely it would be how can you sleep
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: when there are people dying in gaza? Is that really? Like?
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, yes, he's a celebrity and he's a bit insufferable,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: and he gets nice seats and then he falls asleep.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Is that really a source of it?
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Do you have to kindsate? How dare he? Like we
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: all just.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: Thought, like I fought Novakdokovich, you've got the best seats
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: in the house. Sleep when you're dead, you're at the
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: tennis watch.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: I just started that. It's just the outrage, Like it's
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: just how can you be angry about someone else nodding.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: Angry about him nodding off because you were because you
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: want to be you would have been on the edge,
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: put your money where your mouth is and start the
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: revolution and just kidding it.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: If that's the way you're gonna you know, fuck ad
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: buy in the royal books. Okay, now let's go to
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: You know what really grinds my gears by the way
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: when people think aside from you, grant, when people when
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: people call Donald Trump racist, because clearly this is a
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: man incredibly sensitive to other people's cultures. In fact, just
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: the other day, he was complementing the President of Liberia
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: for his command of the English language.
• 48:30
  Speaker 6: Have a listened, well, thank you in such good English,
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: such beautiful Where did you learn to speak so beautifully?
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Where were you educated?
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: Where in Liberia?
• 48:43
  Speaker 6: That's very interesting, it's beautiful English.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: I have people at this table can speak nearly as well,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: and it's the great English fantas.
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: I think the biggest takeaway from that is that even
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: the President of Liberia has had a meeting with Donald
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: Truve four hours old.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: That's it from us sticking around. Coming up is the
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: readA Penney Show. Good Night, Yeah,