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Patriots Unfiltered 12/5: NFL Week 14 Picks, Chargers Recap, Steelers Preview · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
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  Speaker 1: at Jills Stadium, and it's Steelers week. Very short week,
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  Speaker 1: very difficult week to get ready for short turnaround. We
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  Speaker 1: have to move around practice shows. We're not even gonna
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  Speaker 1: have Evan back from practice today because they move practice
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  Speaker 1: during our show. So very upset about that. It's not
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  Speaker 1: even gonna be a Thursday show. Yeah, Evan and I
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  Speaker 1: have to go to Pittsburgh tomorrow, so today we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: do picks, a special Tuesday picks. Did we sell the hurry? Uh? Yeah? Oh?
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  Speaker 1: Look more so?
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  Speaker 4: All right, it's only one bye.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Oh geez, you didn't print out my sheet though.
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  Speaker 4: The last bye of the season, I believe.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, the Cardinals they're among them. I think, right, they
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  Speaker 7: got a game in hand.
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  Speaker 4: Don't figure out.
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  Speaker 8: Sorry, I'm only paying atention about three teams right now.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, watch three? Why is that dud?
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  Speaker 7: The Panthers, the Cardinals.
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  Speaker 3: It's kind of interested in the Bears all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 3: we need a quarterback.
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  Speaker 8: I'm really rude for Justin Fields to play great.
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  Speaker 1: So, I mean, I mean we talked about it at
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  Speaker 1: length after the game on the postgame show. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: is there anything left to say about the six Nothing?
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  Speaker 1: I don't even want to call it a game that
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  Speaker 1: we saw on Sunday?
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  Speaker 4: Oh wow?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I mean, like, what are we doing here?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: I mean I watched a little I watched a little film.
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  Speaker 1: I know, Evan wrote a thing.
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  Speaker 8: We talked. We didn't really have a chance to talk much.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: What's uh, What's one thing I took away from the film.
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  Speaker 7: I would say that I thought the coverage was really good.
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  Speaker 7: I thought their coverage played really well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, fair enough, defense played well. Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: I mean I just thought it looked in sync. And
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  Speaker 7: you know, they just they do what they do. I
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  Speaker 7: think this is when you get to this point in
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  Speaker 7: the season when you start to see some kind of progress,
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  Speaker 7: it's just, uh, you know, they were on top of it.
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  Speaker 7: They were on top of their coverage, and they were
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  Speaker 7: with guys and they were tight, and they you know
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  Speaker 7: made him, made him work for everything he got.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 7: It's uh so that was I think a highlight for me.
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  Speaker 7: I still don't think, you know, the pressure is all
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  Speaker 7: that great and they don't really have a dominant kind
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  Speaker 7: of guy up front.
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  Speaker 4: But I thought Jonathan Jones was really good in this game.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah he was.
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  Speaker 4: Thought he was really good in this game.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this was the best coverage game they've had all year.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's on the It's in the short list
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  Speaker 3: for me. I would say given the circumstances, they've had
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  Speaker 3: maybe better coverage games than they had Christian Gonzales, like
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  Speaker 3: against Philly or something, but since they don't have Christian Gonzales,
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  Speaker 3: I would say this is the most impressive coverage game
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  Speaker 3: that they've had all year long. They really I know,
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  Speaker 3: he had fifty eight yards, but Keenan Allen, they had
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  Speaker 3: a great plan against him, a vintage Belichick of if
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  Speaker 3: you're going to beat us, you're gonna beat us throwing too.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody else and not your number one guy. I thought
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  Speaker 3: they actually effectively did that this time around, and Jonathan
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  Speaker 3: Jones had a really good game until the last play
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  Speaker 3: of the game. Miles Bryant was really involved in a
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  Speaker 3: lot of the different things that they did against Keenan Allen, J. C. Jackson,
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  Speaker 3: against his former teams. I'm not really surprised that he
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  Speaker 3: had a bounce back game, but he had a bounce
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  Speaker 3: back game. And the safety is, you know, Pepper's dugger.
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  Speaker 3: Those guys were mostly on top of things. I thought
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  Speaker 3: the pressure was more by design. I think that their
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  Speaker 3: whole plan was to make Justin Herbert throw to second
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  Speaker 3: third read in the progression from the pocket, like, don't
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  Speaker 3: let him turn this into playground football, don't let him
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  Speaker 3: extend plays. So they were trying to do the old
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  Speaker 3: Star Wars trash compact.
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  Speaker 1: I agree with that.
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  Speaker 4: We actually talked about that a little bit. I felt
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  Speaker 4: like it was disappoint they didn't get any pressure, but
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  Speaker 4: I do feel like they dropped a lot in coverage.
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  Speaker 4: They didn't really heat them up much, and I thought,
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  Speaker 4: I agree with Evan, I thought that was by design.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this was a coverage plan. This was not a
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  Speaker 3: pressure plan.
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  Speaker 7: I think it was fun though, just about watching this
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  Speaker 7: particular part of it. It's just it's it's so hard
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  Speaker 7: in the NFL to cover guys and you know, you
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  Speaker 7: just like every player you pretty much look and you're like,
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  Speaker 7: somebody's going to be open.
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  Speaker 1: It's just it's really hard.
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  Speaker 7: But yeah, like in this game, it's like really cool
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  Speaker 7: to watch just everything kind of click into place. They're
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  Speaker 7: all kind of in you know, I think on a string.
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  Speaker 7: I think it is always sometimes say you know, so
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  Speaker 7: look where I mean, you're looking for things that you
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  Speaker 7: are kind of cake a little bit of Oh that
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  Speaker 7: was kind of nice to watch. So I just I
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  Speaker 7: thought they played well. Credit to the you knows coaches there.
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  Speaker 1: So the bigger question is is the defense twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: three a silver lining of the season or do you
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  Speaker 1: have to take it with a grain of salt because
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  Speaker 1: other teams, No, I don't really need to do much.
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  Speaker 1: I don't need to take risks and they're making it
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  Speaker 1: easier for the defense. You know, what do we make
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  Speaker 1: of this defense? And then who do we give the
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  Speaker 1: credit to? Is it still all Bill? Is it Steven Gerard?
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  Speaker 1: Is it Girod? Is it Steve and a lot of
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  Speaker 1: good questions regardless of what happens next year. How much
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  Speaker 1: of it do you do you trot back because the
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  Speaker 1: defense was good.
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  Speaker 7: I'll just say my first thought coming out of it
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  Speaker 7: when I, you know, did the D was just I
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  Speaker 7: want to see Kansas City, like go up against Kansas
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  Speaker 7: City and then you know, and then show me then
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  Speaker 7: then I'll then I'll tell you. I mean, I think
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  Speaker 7: I think they're a good coach team, and I think that,
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  Speaker 7: you know, it does give you some pause of if
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  Speaker 7: you're gonna blow this whole thing up, and you know,
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  Speaker 7: you do think that this is a well coached defense
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  Speaker 7: that's established, that has a lot of pieces that are
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  Speaker 7: supposed to come back next year, you know. But I
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  Speaker 7: think the foremost for me is that you got good
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  Speaker 7: pieces in the secondary. You got to get another pass rusher.
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  Speaker 7: You can't go into next year with just Matthew judaan As.
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  Speaker 7: You You need a guy who's a three down guy
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  Speaker 7: who is going to be able to get to the
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  Speaker 7: quarterback on his own without design and scheme. And I
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  Speaker 7: think that's just a huge need for the D. But
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  Speaker 7: otherwise I feel, you know, in terms of what this
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  Speaker 7: defense is right now, that they're well coach, they know
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  Speaker 7: what they want to do, and you know, but I
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  Speaker 7: got to see it against Kansas City to really say
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  Speaker 7: this is actually a really good defense because how much
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  Speaker 7: teams really care because they look at the other side of.
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  Speaker 1: The ball and they're like, I don't know, we'll just
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  Speaker 1: punt it.
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  Speaker 4: Like, you know, the Chiefs haven't been great on offense.
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  Speaker 1: Well you know, most of the and that's the other thing.
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  Speaker 1: I you know, Burrow is hurt, Trevor Lawrence got hurt
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  Speaker 1: last night. The Chiefs aren't the offense that they have been,
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  Speaker 1: you know, for whatever reason. If you look at like
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  Speaker 1: the AFC is kind of wide open right now, it
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  Speaker 1: really is. And if the Patriots had been a decent team,
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  Speaker 1: like we'd be thinking, like, who maybe they can get
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  Speaker 1: into the playoffs, you know, like but obviously they can't now.
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  Speaker 1: But like it isn't like what we thought it was
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  Speaker 1: going to be when the season started, Like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: all these teams are going to be just wagons, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the Bills, and you know they're not the Bills.
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  Speaker 4: If you look at that, like it's on NFL Network
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  Speaker 4: right now. The Bills are the one team that you
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  Speaker 4: would have expected to be in that playoff structure with
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  Speaker 4: a good record that the other the four division leaders
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  Speaker 4: all have good record.
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  Speaker 1: They all have good records, but they're vulnerable, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean. They they they're vulnerable. They're not wagons.
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  Speaker 7: Well they got three to four losses. I mean, I
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  Speaker 7: think is what you're getting at. But yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 7: it's it's I mean I was having the same thought
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  Speaker 7: of like, you know, if you showed these standings right now,
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  Speaker 7: and you know, just cover the teams and you saw
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  Speaker 7: that the top four teams were nine and three, nine and.
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  Speaker 1: Three, eight and four, eight and four in the AFC, you.
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  Speaker 7: Know, you'd probably come into the season like, man, the
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  Speaker 7: Patriots have a real you know, opportunity here.
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  Speaker 4: But like I would just I would just look at
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  Speaker 4: it and say, like, Dolphins, Ravens, Chiefs, right beyond those three,
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  Speaker 4: who do you think has a chance to represent the AFC?
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  Speaker 8: Well, I mean the Bills maybe.
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  Speaker 4: Right now, the only other team I would put in
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  Speaker 4: that category.
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  Speaker 1: Right now because all the quarterbacks are hurt, you know.
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  Speaker 1: But like at the beginning of the season, we thought.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so which team who's not in those three? Cincinnati
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  Speaker 4: would yeah, I said it, Yeah, you still have the Jags.
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  Speaker 7: They smell like the Jags. What if the Texans keep
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  Speaker 7: playing well?
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  Speaker 4: You know, I mean you think that the Texans can
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  Speaker 4: be the AFC champs. Why not because they're not good enough.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, there's seven and five. They only have one,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a couple uh more losses than the teams
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  Speaker 1: that are at the top.
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  Speaker 4: That's that's a lot.
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  Speaker 8: The tank tell got hurt too, so that's coming.
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  Speaker 4: But that's two games. That's a big difference.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're underestimating.
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  Speaker 4: Like I think there are a lot of good teams.
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  Speaker 4: I think they were very similar to every other year.
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  Speaker 4: There were a lot of good teams. There's only a
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  Speaker 4: couple of ones that that are capable of winning.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're not estimating how how much these
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  Speaker 1: you know, the best teams like the Chiefs can be beat.
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  Speaker 1: And how you know how much the text team like
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  Speaker 1: the Texans has improved.
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  Speaker 4: I agree with I think the Texans, I mean improved,
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  Speaker 4: but I don't think they're a threat to anybody now.
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  Speaker 1: I don't either.
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  Speaker 7: I just think I think to Fred's point, I mean,
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  Speaker 7: I guess, really what what I would say? I think
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  Speaker 7: I don't want to put boards in your mouth face.
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  Speaker 7: It's kind of wide open between those three teams because
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  Speaker 7: they've all kind of had stumbles and you know, like
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  Speaker 7: they just none of them right now were looking like
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  Speaker 7: they're going to be a fourteen and three or you know, fifty,
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  Speaker 7: those kind of teams, Like they they have some warts,
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  Speaker 7: they've had some missteps.
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  Speaker 8: It's kind of be just add some intrigue.
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  Speaker 7: I think to me of who gets that number one, see,
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  Speaker 7: because I think if Miami, you know, is able to
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  Speaker 7: have it, they're gonna be real tough to beat down
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  Speaker 7: there in Miami.
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  Speaker 3: I really like Baltimore. But at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 3: I just feel like this is the same with what
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  Speaker 3: when the Patriots were in their heyday or just marching
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  Speaker 3: to Kansas City getting to the super Bowl again somehow
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  Speaker 3: because Patrick Mahomes is the best player in the world,
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  Speaker 3: and they'll just figure.
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  Speaker 4: Out when the Ravens have a reasonably difficult schedule still
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  Speaker 4: to come. So no, Andrews, I just look at it
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  Speaker 4: as one of those three teams is gonna and I
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  Speaker 4: would agree with you guys, Cincinnati is the team that's
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  Speaker 4: missing that would be in that group.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I say the Bills too.
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  Speaker 4: But the Bills don't have an injured quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: The Bills haven't played well and right, and their six
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  Speaker 1: is right.
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  Speaker 4: You know, and I would put them in the situation
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  Speaker 4: where that's the only one that could potentially crash the party. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: there's the Bills. Yeah, And I don't even think they're
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  Speaker 4: going to make the playoffs.
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  Speaker 1: Right if they need to get hot, you know, it
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  Speaker 1: just needs to get out of all years.
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  Speaker 7: Like I've just been lamenting the last like three years,
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  Speaker 7: like how did the Patriots, Like I know they got
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  Speaker 7: the win game against Buffalo, but like it just always
• 11:08
  Speaker 7: seems like the Jets are able to like, you know,
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  Speaker 7: we're able to squeak out occasional one against Josh Allen,
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  Speaker 7: like this is the year that the Patriots beat the Bills.
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  Speaker 7: It's That's one Thing's just bizarre.
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  Speaker 4: It's like a waste.
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  Speaker 9: I know.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like with the Patriots right now, I feel
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  Speaker 3: like I'm watching the Jets where, you know, to go
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  Speaker 3: back to Fred's questions about the Patriots defense, I I
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  Speaker 3: really I think that, you know, sometimes we get into
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  Speaker 3: the minutia of defense in the modern NFL, and I
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  Speaker 3: don't really believe that defense can be dominant anymore. I
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  Speaker 3: just at least consistently, like you can have games here
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  Speaker 3: and there where you shut teams out or shut a
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  Speaker 3: great quarterback down, like the Patriots did on Sunday, But
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  Speaker 3: for seventeen weeks, there's no such thing anymore. In my mind,
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  Speaker 3: as like the eighty five Bears, like, we're not gonna
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  Speaker 3: see that ever again. You just can't do it. You
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  Speaker 3: can't play that way anymore. So I think the Patriots
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  Speaker 3: are a good modern NFL That doesn't mean that they're flawless.
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  Speaker 1: It just they're good.
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  Speaker 3: They're a good modern NFL defense. And if they weren't
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  Speaker 3: strapped with the worst offense in the NFL, and I
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  Speaker 3: think the Patriots would have been on that graphic that
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  Speaker 3: NFL network was just showing, not as a team that's
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  Speaker 3: in a division leader position, but in the hunt in
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  Speaker 3: the lurking category or the alive category.
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  Speaker 4: Six and six is more than reasonable if they had
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  Speaker 4: any semblance.
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  Speaker 3: Of an offense, right and they just they are so
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  Speaker 3: so bad on offense, and it just it's to the
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  Speaker 3: point where now I'm saying to myself, just like I
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  Speaker 3: did last year, this is not a functioning NFL offense.
• 12:39
  Speaker 3: It's not a functioning NFL offense. It's not a professional
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  Speaker 3: product that they're putting on film every week offensively, and
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  Speaker 3: that is why they're in the position that they're in.
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  Speaker 1: Did you hear the cut from Zoe that they were
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  Speaker 1: playing I think on your show. You know, he was
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  Speaker 1: just lamenting I guess Atlant run, yeah, screen, handoff screen,
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  Speaker 1: slam bubble, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Throw a go ro out, you know, But that because
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  Speaker 3: that's all they can.
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  Speaker 1: Do, right right, That's it. I was just gonna say,
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  Speaker 1: that's really all they think they can do.
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  Speaker 3: Which is just I don't even know what to make
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  Speaker 3: of that, because in some ways, like Okay, I get
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  Speaker 3: the personnel is completely stripped down, but isn't that more
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  Speaker 3: reason to try to dress it up? But you're you're
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  Speaker 3: running this offense that is archaic to begin with. The
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  Speaker 3: fact that they're pushing it down the field as a
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  Speaker 3: jump ball to Devonte Parker in twenty twenty three is
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  Speaker 3: a problem. But there's just not a lot of design
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  Speaker 3: going on either.
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  Speaker 1: I got so frustrated last night. I'm watching the game,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the Bengals game, and of course burrows out
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  Speaker 1: and they've got this Browning whoever's in and he looks
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  Speaker 1: like a professional NFL quarterback. He's he's throwing on the move.
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: They've got guys in motion, you know. There there there's
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  Speaker 1: like some misdirection in the backfield.
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  Speaker 4: They did a great job with him last night. The
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  Speaker 4: only thing I would say is he didn't look like
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  Speaker 4: a functioning quarterback in his first game.
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  Speaker 1: Well, all I saw was last night.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah no, no, no, no, Fred. I watched almost start to
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  Speaker 4: finish that game last night, and he was tremendous. The
• 14:09
  Speaker 4: offense itself was tremendous had Jacksonville possible. They had Jacksonville
• 14:14
  Speaker 4: on their heels the whole game. And I would say
• 14:18
  Speaker 4: Jacksonville played defense the way every team has played the
• 14:21
  Speaker 4: Patriots this year, and they just said we don't respect you,
• 14:25
  Speaker 4: and we're gonna do this, this and this, and they
• 14:28
  Speaker 4: couldn't stop anything. I mean, jackson was like fourth in
• 14:30
  Speaker 4: the league in run defense and they got gashed all night,
• 14:33
  Speaker 4: which allowed him to do a lot of these misdirection
• 14:36
  Speaker 4: throws that Fred's talking about. And you know, the difference
• 14:40
  Speaker 4: is obvious. Joe Mixon, Jamar Chase Tyler, Boyd T Higgins,
• 14:46
  Speaker 4: that's the difference.
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: It is a difference. But I guess The main thing
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: I want to say is they tried the misdirection stuff.
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: Like they were trying stuff and maybe he wasn't able,
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: you know, wouldn't have been able to execute it. But
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: their game plan going in was we're gonna try all
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: this stuff here.
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: They weren't try I was talking to Deuce about this
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: before they were so stripped down at one point offensively
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: that Bill O'Brien was calling plays from the sideline college style,
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: So Bailey Zappi was coming to the line of scrimmage
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: with like twenty twenty five seconds to go on the
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: play clock, looking and then looking at like he was
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: freaking Michael Pennix in the PAC twelve Championship game. I've
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: never seen anything like that at an NFL offense, Like
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: where are we going to get the freaking boards next?
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: And hold up the signals and all that kind of stuff.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: We giants doing that that is with the.
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: Heads, That is just absolutely that's that's elementary. And so
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: all this misdirection motion, all this type of stuff, like,
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: I just don't think that they're capable of Zappi running
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: it right now, which which I think begs the question
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: of what I understand. I was in the school that
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: they had to shut Mac Jones down. But if Bailey
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: Zappi looks like he did on Sunday again on Thursday night,
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: then I would start to think about going back to
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: Mac honestly and seeing what if a couple of weeks
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: off have reset him mentally and if he can play
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: a little bit better like he did earlier in the season,
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: because it's not all on Zappy the same way it
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: wasn't all on Mac, but it was clearly no better,
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: if potentially in some ways worse than what it was
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: with Mac Jones at times. So it just their offense
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: is they need to blow the whole thing up, and
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: then when you really start to think about what pieces
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: do they really have to build with moving forward, it
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: gets pretty dark. Like David Andrews if he doesn't retire
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: Ormandra Stevenson for one more year. I guess you probably
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: like on when you win Hunter Henry, but you have
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: to bring those guys back in free agency when you look.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: At you know who's up, you know whose contracts are.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, next year is going to be a completely
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: different looking team in a lot of areas.
• 16:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, well that's what I wonder because you know,
• 16:56
  Speaker 7: like with the defense that you know, there are a
• 16:57
  Speaker 7: lot of guys under contract next year, not you know,
• 16:59
  Speaker 7: I'm not naive. I understand that doesn't necessarily mean that
• 17:02
  Speaker 7: they'll be back, and certainly if there's a coaching change,
• 17:04
  Speaker 7: it even.
• 17:05
  Speaker 8: More so means that.
• 17:06
  Speaker 7: But you know, it's like part of me was wondering
• 17:09
  Speaker 7: and you know, workshopping it of like you know, if
• 17:11
  Speaker 7: if if Bill was back next year, you could focus
• 17:14
  Speaker 7: a lot of just assets on the offense, you know,
• 17:16
  Speaker 7: and and you really could probably have some good feelings
• 17:20
  Speaker 7: about the defense. I'm not like suggesting that this should
• 17:22
  Speaker 7: be the case, but I don't know. I just I'm
• 17:25
  Speaker 7: curious your thoughts on Thornton too from this game, because
• 17:29
  Speaker 7: like he just showed finally showed some speed for the
• 17:31
  Speaker 7: first time. I felt like, like, finally he looks like
• 17:34
  Speaker 7: the one guy on this team with the absence of
• 17:36
  Speaker 7: Douglas that can move at a level that is that
• 17:39
  Speaker 7: that that is a threat.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 17:41
  Speaker 7: I just am so tired of watching Parker and Juju
• 17:44
  Speaker 7: and it's just everything takes forever and guys, like you said,
• 17:47
  Speaker 7: like Paul's point, like they just set a pick effects
• 17:50
  Speaker 7: pick offence at the at the first down line.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Like what are you gonna do? Like, what are you
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: gonna do?
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: On Sunday, Evon was pointing out these plays where ten
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: guys were literally within five yards of the ball, like,
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: and I'm talking about back in to the sides, like
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: everything is within the box.
• 18:08
  Speaker 7: The other thing to Evan and I don't know if
• 18:09
  Speaker 7: you agree with me on this is this one. You know,
• 18:12
  Speaker 7: I just feel like they don't even use Thornton right, Like,
• 18:14
  Speaker 7: I don't want to say that I think Thornton's a
• 18:15
  Speaker 7: good player, but I do think that with certain plays
• 18:18
  Speaker 7: getting him in space, like.
• 18:20
  Speaker 8: There could be something there to produce.
• 18:22
  Speaker 7: And I mean the the you know, the drop slash overthrow,
• 18:24
  Speaker 7: whatever we want to call it. You know a little
• 18:26
  Speaker 7: bit of a of a of a sample of that.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: But I don't know.
• 18:29
  Speaker 7: There was one particular third down and I'm sorry I
• 18:31
  Speaker 7: should write these things down. I think it was a
• 18:33
  Speaker 7: third and short and they and I think it might
• 18:35
  Speaker 7: have been an RPO because they had they had Thornton
• 18:38
  Speaker 7: come back around in a little bit reverse motion going
• 18:40
  Speaker 7: out and so to that side he had just him
• 18:42
  Speaker 7: and another guy on three and I was like, that's
• 18:44
  Speaker 7: the throw.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: And I think he got blown up in the backfield
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: on this one, I think, and.
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: They had a couple of those they had they were
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: setting They was certainly setting something up with him sort of.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: They were setting something up. The first motion that they
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: never called. We call that boomerang yeah yeah, boomerang back yeah,
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: which I mean what you know.
• 19:02
  Speaker 7: One thought, I was like, I don't know what the
• 19:03
  Speaker 7: miscommunication was between Andrews and Strange because the defensive tackle
• 19:07
  Speaker 7: just came right.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So yeah, bab I always, I said this last week.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: I think I always operate under the assumption that David
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: Andrews is correct, So.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Like he's leaving it to Strange.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: Strange, So it was I think it was supposed to
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: be pin poll and Strange never pinned. So Andrews pulls
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: out in front of him on the sweep and Strangers
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: supposed to pin his guy inside and Strange never pinned.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: So that's how you.
• 19:31
  Speaker 7: But I mean, just to bring the point home, like
• 19:34
  Speaker 7: on that play, I was like, throw the Thornt in there,
• 19:36
  Speaker 7: like he's got a little bit of space, Like you know,
• 19:39
  Speaker 7: he's the only guy on this team that can move.
• 19:41
  Speaker 7: You know, when you're I think you're two on three
• 19:43
  Speaker 7: on the backside, so I mean, you have a little
• 19:44
  Speaker 7: bit of numbers to work with.
• 19:46
  Speaker 8: I don't know, it's just.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: They call those advantage throws, so they're actually more like
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: a pre snap reed of like leverage and numbers based
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: off of just what the quarterback's looking at, so it's
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: not like a full fledged RP.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: They call it. Who are you talking about, Bill O'Brien, Okay, yeah,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: how do you know?
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: He told me?
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I'm just wondering because I know every team
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: has their own Lexico.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, yeah. I asked him a while
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: ago about the fact that pretty much every RPO that
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: they run is a run, like they never throw them,
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: and it just drives me nuts because of the reasons
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: that Mike is saying. It's like, you have the numbers
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: over here, and he you know, he's so he tells
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: me that they're they're called advantage throws at least here.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: Some police call them different things. But uh, it's a
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: pre snap read, so you're not reading the defensive movement
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: post snap and then making it reading a player and
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: then making a decision based off that read. And I think,
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: when in doubt, handed off is kind of the mantra
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: in the locker room on those. And so if you're
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: not like one hundred and sure that that throw is
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: going to work, then your coach to just hand the
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: ball off, you know, So it's it's basically a run.
• 20:52
  Speaker 7: It's also was it the first third down that they
• 20:54
  Speaker 7: threw like just a little screen to the left side
• 20:56
  Speaker 7: to Parker who couldn't even get past the first block.
• 21:00
  Speaker 7: It's just like, why are we throwing that to Parker?
• 21:02
  Speaker 7: Like throw it to Thornton.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: But you know, going back to what you know, Zoe's
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: lament during the game is we're easy to defend again,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: you know, like if you're gonna have ten guys in
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: the box question, you gotta try something. You gotta go
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: over you gotta do something to get over that to
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: make them honest. But we just can't. And then when
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: we try, you know, it goes right through Thornton's hands.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: Or it's too fifty to fifty, which is more like
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: twenty eighty these days, to Devonte Parker. And you know,
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: he went one for five on those deep shots. And
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: I thought some of them are some some spotty decision
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: making by Zappi just trying to throw it up to
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: Parker and make something happen. But with Thornton, I no
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: one is saying that Thorton would be a thousand yard
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: receiver someplace else if he was drafted by another team.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: He has clear issues, route running issues, ball skills, things
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: like that. I just wish for him and I wish
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: for the like what would have happened if he was
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: coach correctly when he got here, And what would happen
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: if he was used correctly with his speed within the
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: framework of the offense. Would he be a useful deep threat?
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: Not again not saying that he would be a fifteen
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: hundred yard receiver, but would he be a functioning NFL
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: deep threat. It just seems like he has never improved.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: And this is another thing that I get on Troy
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: Brown about, like how is this guy making He's clearly
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: talented enough to get open. He's got the speed, and
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: he's got the ability to get open at the NFL level.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: He was opened at least half a dozen times in
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: this game on Sunday, But they just can't seem to
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: get him to be able to well catch the ball,
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: which would be a good start. But also, you know,
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: the some of the route running is just robotic and
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: stiff at the top of the route, and it's like, why,
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: where's the coaching where? How are we improving guys? How
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: are we working with guys to improve their technique. I
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: can't help but think with Thornton, if he was in
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Kansas City with that coaching staff, in that system, with
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: that quarterback, would he be Marquez Valdez scantling for the
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: Chiefs because he it very well could be like it
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: looks like that.
• 23:10
  Speaker 7: They're trying to throw it to him like off the
• 23:12
  Speaker 7: break so many times and it's just he gathers himself.
• 23:14
  Speaker 7: He's got a bunch of stutter steps. He's tall, so
• 23:17
  Speaker 7: he doesn't you know, he just doesn't have that quickness.
• 23:19
  Speaker 7: But I mean, for me, that was just an example
• 23:21
  Speaker 7: of a play where he's in space. He's got a
• 23:23
  Speaker 7: little bit of motion. He doesn't have to stop and
• 23:25
  Speaker 7: cut and lose all his momentum, you know, just like
• 23:28
  Speaker 7: I don't know that that really I think to me
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: watching this and maybe it's stupid, it's just like this
• 23:32
  Speaker 7: is where I'm like, how coordinated is this offense? Like
• 23:35
  Speaker 7: how much are they are they are their hands tied
• 23:37
  Speaker 7: because of who they have or are they just not.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Putting enough sticking on the offensive side of the ball. Again,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Paul shows the new man on your show is you
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: don't have to have a top quarterback of the top five.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: That's just Felger's matra.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Well, it's they're agreeing with it.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been on the show and.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Yesterday. I mean, they are coming around to it.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Check the twenty twenty draft. How'd that go? You know,
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: but at the top of that draft go quarterback wise.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: But as far you know, it's true in terms of
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: winning the Super Bowl, the only you know, top quarterback,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: you know, top number one overall that's done it since
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: the last twenty something years is Manning. You know.
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: That's the stupidest argument I ever.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: I know, But that's it's a Felger fact.
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: If you can't stupid out of the what so if
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: a guy has picked third and he wins the title,
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: it doesn't matter because he wasn't picked first.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: Well, the stat that I heard, I think was like
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: top five quarterbacks and it's like the Mannings and that's it.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: In the last one of the.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Reasons, well, Brady took up so many of these about
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: that's my point, right, there's been what I'm just facilitating.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying what this is, what's happening now.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: But there's like fifty four super Bowls right around fifty four.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: I always lose track on fifty four. Brady's won seven
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: of them, that's right, and gone to nine and then
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: everybody you know to ten, Eli's one two, Roethlisberger's won two,
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: Peyton's one two. So when you really start to factor
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: how many quarterbacks have actually won a Super Bowl.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: That's then it's how many have they gone to which
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: stopped another quarterback from even.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Having And that's the sample size we're going with. But
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: he's like the forty quarterbacks in NFL history that have
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: won a Super Bowl.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: And if you're going to base it on that on
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: based on that data, then you should be targeting a
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: quarterback in the late sixth round because that's how you
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: win titles. Or there's not a correlation that should be
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: drawn from spot where a guy is drafted to titles,
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: like you have to pick good players. If you get
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: a good player, like should should should a team that
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: picked somebody who you know, should Cincinnati be looking at
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: with laments that they took Joe Burrow because he hasn't
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: won a title, and maybe he never will.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, Paul, this is what's coming. Your
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: guy has a lot of fluents, and it's.
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: And this is like our argument from the post game
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: show the other day.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: I don't want it.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: It's growing because somehow people are convincing themselves that Caleb
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: Williams is not the guy because he cried.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: I don't want to be that he cried. I don't
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: want to be that team with the top pick because
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: usually that team's a disaster.
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: So I don't want to be That's a different argument.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: If you are that team, then what do you do.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: I know they are a disaster. His team is a disaster.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: I don't want to be picking number one overall. Ever,
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: I agree, but that's where we find it.
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: So are they saying trade down or are they saying
• 26:34
  Speaker 7: take a different position?
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: I trying to not as important.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: I think I don't want to put words in Paul's
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: guy's mouth, but I think he's saying it's not as
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: it's obviously not as slam dunk as you think it is,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: and it's not.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: Nobody thinks that's a slam dunk, and it's a Felger argument.
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: It's the ultimate straw.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: It's not as important as you think it is.
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: It's more important than you think it is, but it's
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: not a sure thing. No one ever says it is.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: Understand how we could go from elite quarterback. Forget about
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: where he was Brady was drafted. Just you saw what
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: it looked like with Brady, and you see what it
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: looks like without elite quarterback, and now the quarterback is
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: not important.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: And I do think there's part of this mentality stems
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: from the fact that people think you can get it
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: because they got it in the sixth round with Brady,
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: and that that will happen again, right.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: I mean it's party. There's Jalen Hurts, you know, like
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: there's now there's more recent examples.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Jordan in the low twenties.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think the biggest first round. Yeah, you
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: look at all those all those guys, and this is
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: what I you know, it's true that this offense is
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: way more than just a quarterback away. They're way more
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: than just a quarterback away. I I think offensive line wise,
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: they're probably one tackle away from being a functional offensive
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: line with a quarterback that knows what he's doing back there.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: But receiver wise, they they are completely like, that's the
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: reason why Jake Browning can go into that game and
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: throw over three hundred and fifty yards like the Bengals
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: offense last night scored more points than the Patriots have
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: scored in four weeks.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: And I will say this, if Cincinnati now closes the
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: season playing offense the way they did last night, I
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: will say, with Jake Browning obviously playing all the games, Okay,
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: there's a guy who's you know, clearly a little bit
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: better than that. I think last night it was a
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: combination of a really really good game plan and the
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: weapons around him. And I think that quite frankly, the
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: Jags were asleep defensively. It was a terrible performance by
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: the Jacksonville defense all night. Now, if he does it
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: week after week like brock Perty's been doing, then maybe
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: I'll take a step back and say, maybe he has
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: more to do it than I thought. But the numbers,
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: and I have these numbers all the time, Okay, it
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: carries them with them, I don't. I have it all
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: printed out. And this is just in the last ten years.
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: If you want a really good quarterback, the percentages are bad,
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: like no matter how you slice it. But if you
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: take him in the top ten. Nine out of twenty
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: five over the last ten years, I would say have
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: panned out. Trevor Lawrence, Joe Burrow, Tua, Justin Herbert, Josh Allen,
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: Patrick Mahome. These are the guys that I'm counting as hits. Okay.
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: Some of the guys that I'm counting as missus, by
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: the way, are Kyler Murray, Oh Daniels.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: Those are fighting words for me.
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: Evan. I agree. I'm fending over backwards to not include
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: these guys.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: That makes his point.
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: I agree with you, Evan. I would take Kyler Murray
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: in a heartbeat the people. But I'm not counting those
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: as many as hits. So now I did bottom of
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: the first round. After the top ten, I'm so on
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: this counts guys like Deshaun Watson, who was twelve. Okay,
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: So I'm just going after the top ten in the
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: first round all other rounds, and I'm not counting every
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: quarterback that got taken because that would skew the number. Obviously,
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: people take flyers on fifth and sixth ands. I'm not
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: counting them. I'm talking only about guys who have made
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: the NFL for any length of time. It's nine for
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: twenty five for the top ten. It's ten of forty
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: four for the blast half in beyond. So there's a
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: million more opportunities for the guys not taken in the
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: top ten that there's a finite number in the top ten. Literally,
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: there's a million guys that I'm not including ten. So
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: it's twenty three percent if you don't If you don't
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: do it early, you got a twenty three percent. If
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: you do it early, you got a thirty six percent
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: chance of hitting. And again, Evan would argue that thirty
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: six percent should be higher because he would include guys
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: that I didn't Just to try to be overly fair, right,
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: just trying to be faia fail. Okay, the bottom half
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: of the first round guys Justin Fields, Mac Jones, Kyle Trattz,
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: Kellen Mond, Davis Mills, Jordan Love. Now, Jordan Love might
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: turn into a hit, so that could could rise by one.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: Jalen Hurts as a hit, Lamar Jackson's a hit, Watson,
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: Dak Prescott, Derek Carr. Again, I'm trying to be fair.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: If there's guys on the edge of hitting, I'm counting
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: Derek Carver. We're not cutting Kyler, Thank you, Evan. I'm
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: just trying to show you how fair I'm trying to
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: be here. Okay, I'm counting guys like Derek Carr and
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: Jimmy Garoppolo as hits. I'm counting guys like Daniel Jones
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: and Kyler Murray as missus. Yeah, Dan Jonson, I'm trying
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: to be really real, but I'm trying to be over
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: the top fair when I'm doing this. Kirk Cousins, Russell Wilson,
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: Andy Dalton. I counted as a hit. Colin Kaepernick, I
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: counted as a hit. So if there was a sniff
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: of success for a guy, I counted as a hit,
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: whereas the other way you had to be really over
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: the top good for me to count it as a hit.
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: And it's still a better percentage in the top ten.
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: So again, there's a million misses. There's a lot of
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: guys that miss Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield, there's a lot
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: of guys, Zach Wilson. It's hard. Yeah, it's hard to
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: get it right, but you're making it harder if you wait.
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: This is the part that people don't talk about. It
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: gets harder the longer you wait.
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: I just don't think it's if you're picking second overall,
• 32:12
  Speaker 7: especially if you're coming off a two to three win season,
• 32:15
  Speaker 7: you need to kind of have a new guy, like
• 32:17
  Speaker 7: when they march bled Sell in here, you know, and
• 32:19
  Speaker 7: it's like, all right, this is the new face of
• 32:21
  Speaker 7: the franchise. I mean, I don't know what's gonna happen
• 32:23
  Speaker 7: with the coaching staff, front office, all that stuff, but.
• 32:25
  Speaker 8: Like this team needs that.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: It's hard for me to see if you're picking in
• 32:29
  Speaker 7: the top two not taking one of those top two guys.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I look at the it's a really good quarterback
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: class in terms of depth at the top, and it's
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: a really good receiver class in terms of depth at
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: the top as well. I mean, Marvin Harrison Junior is
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: the prize, but like Romadunza is really good. Neighbors from
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: LSU is going to be really high prospect, key On
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: Coleman from Florida State. Like, there's going to be at
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: least a handful of first round top forty receivers taken.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: But I just feel like all of us, and maybe
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: I'm just speaking for myself, but the coming away from
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: that draft, because you don't just have the second or
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: the third overall pick. You also have the thirty fifth
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: or the thirty fourth overall pick too. Coming out of
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: that draft with a quarterback and a number one receiver
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: at least in theory and saying this is our like
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: these two guys were building around these two guys offensively
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: for the next five to ten years. That's that's what
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: I would want to see. Regards you still add in
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: in the free agent market too, like in the veteran
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: market also. But if you came away from this draft
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: with you know, just to be realistic, because I don't
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: think it's that realistic with the Dunesay and Marvin Harrison Junior.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: But if you came away with this from this draft,
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: with Caleb Williams and neighbors from LSU, like now you're
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: you are are Xavier Worthy from Texas, Like now you
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: have a nucleus like a building block right now offensively,
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: they don't have They don't have that. They don't have
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: any building blocks on the offensive side of the ball.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: Besides maybe Ramandra Stevenson.
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: I saw someone had neighbors in the top beat the
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: other day.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: He's a good prospect.
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: No, I like him a lot. Just to wrap the
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: bow on the whole Felger and maz portion of this,
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: the reason why they're so adamant about this and I
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: and I'm convinced of it. I tease them about it
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: every week and we joke around and we laugh. They
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: think everybody sucks and I'm not. I'm not exaggerating. And
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: Tony is at the top of the list. He sucks, Mike,
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: every single guy stinks. They don't except for the guy
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: who wins it all. If you don't win it all,
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: you suck.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: Then why does he like Jimmy Garroch.
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: He's he's solid on that. He's now like so now
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: he'll also go down with the ship and say, well,
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: if he didn't leave, he'd still like forget it. I'm
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: not even gonna argue that. But Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes,
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: those are the guys that they think can play like
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: I'm telling you, you'd get pushed back on Justin Herbert,
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: you'd get pushed back on Tua, You'd get pushed back
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: on on they like Burrow. They like Burrow, they get
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: you get pushed back on on on Josh Jallen, Oh Lamar.
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: They think can't play at all, Like you can't even
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: talk to them about Lamar, like they think every single
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: guy in the league sucks if they didn't win the title,
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: and that's just the way it is, Like there's no
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: there's no getting him off.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: They're not alone on it. So I feel like because
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: he plays for the Chargers and because he plays out
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: West Patriots stands And I'm not like picking on fans
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: for this, but they only watched Justin Herbert play the Patriots,
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: and I don't know you.
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: Could have watched the game on Sunday and came away
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: with anything but being impressed with that.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: Quarterback right in three games against the Patriots. Though the
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: production has not been.
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: The production wasn't great, but the throws were. He had
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: two bad throws in the whole game that I think
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: he was not on the same page with his receiver.
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: Every other incompletion was either a really good defensive play
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: by like Jonathan Jones or Mills, or a guy dropped it.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: And they had some big plays that were dropped. Yeah,
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know how you could play much
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: better in those conditions.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: With with what the he had to throw to ye,
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: even the throw that that walked it off like that
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: end of the game. I mean, you know everybody picks
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: on Miles Bryant, but Myles Bryant is is step for
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: step with the receiver for most of the play, and
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: Herbert just puts it on an absolute perfect spot.
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: And the only difference between that and half the other
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: places that guy caught it right. Yeah, and he must
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: have looked at it and said, I don't want anybody
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: else on the field. It's either gonna be Keenan Allen
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: or I want someone new because I'm tired of Partim
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: dropping him. I'm tired of Johnston dropping him. I'm gonna
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: throw it to this guy. Was it?
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: Ericson Alexarrickson?
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: Like, I think Herbert's pretty good? Now? Does he have
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: the winning quotient like to win it all? Maybe he doesn't,
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: because he does find a way to lose a lot
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: of games that like, you look and you say, how
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: did they not win that? Whereas I think Burrow does
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: have the winning quotient.
• 36:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: So, right now, as we stand, the Patriots have the
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: number two overall pick. And I've heard some people say
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: this is a quarterback heavy draft and other people say
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: it isn't.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: He says it isn't.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: Well, this is my point.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you. People are saying that, but you can.
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: Get anybody to say anything. It's a quarterback heavy draft,
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: whether you want that guy or not. That's what I do.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: I've heard. You know, Caleb Williams talent is undeniable, but
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: there's the other stuff. And then everybody else has flaws.
• 37:16
  Speaker 7: Everybody else welcome to everybody kind of has doesn't a flaw.
• 37:21
  Speaker 7: And I haven't really jumped into any of this yet,
• 37:22
  Speaker 7: but I mean the little bit that I have watched
• 37:24
  Speaker 7: of May and Williams, it was like, yeah, I mean
• 37:26
  Speaker 7: they've got skill, and I mean I'm with you one
• 37:28
  Speaker 7: hundred percent on Williams. I mean, just you know, the
• 37:30
  Speaker 7: ability lay in the down to make crazy plays they have.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: You know, Tom Brady can't run. That's a flaw. Like
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: he's the greatest player who's ever played the position. Everybody
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: has flaws.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: There's there. This class has four quarterbacks at the top
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: that are as good as prospects at the top as
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: you're going to find. I mean, Caleb Williams, Drake May, Pennix,
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: and Jaden Daniels are all first round caliber quarterbacks.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Like lock it in today, where the guys picked last
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: year first round.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: Caliber trying to remember the class last year.
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: Will No, he didn't get picked.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: I look at this class as a no. One is
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: like a shot fire, can't miss prospect. But if you're
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: just looking at traits, this is up there traits wise
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: with the last you know, four or five.
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: So it's Bryce Young, CJ. Stroud, and Anthony Richardson. Those
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: are the top three of the top four pitch.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Of the draft.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: So I think that Daniels is a better runner than
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: c J. Stroud, but I think he has a lot
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: of the same qualities as a thrower as c. J.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: Stroud does and Pennix. I mean, what more does that
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: guy have to do to get you to like him
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: as a prospect. He goes, He goes toe to toe
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: with every single team in the Pac Twell, which has
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: been really good this year. By the way, Patchwell has
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: probably been the best conference in college football. That game
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: against Oregon on Friday night was terrific game, unbelievable game.
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: And he's just dropping, you know, deep over routes, just
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: dropping dimes on people.
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: I was impressed with both quarterbacks in that game got assaulted.
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: I don't like him to both tolls off the back foot,
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: not gonna be a good I didn't say anything about
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: the NFL for anything. I just said I thought both
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: quarterbacks played well, and I was in particular impressed with
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: Penix and his ability to close the game out with
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: the throw that Herbert made the next day, like instead
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: of just saying, I hope our defense can hold them, no,
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna go and get a first down so you
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: don't get the ball back.
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, they Penix definitely has a little bit of
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: that in quality of intangible stuff and is a good
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: leader and a winner and that kind of thing. We'll
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: see what it looks like in the playoff, but I
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: would be happy with any.
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: Of those for its funny, like making fun of myself aside.
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: I was watching the usc U c l A game
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: a couple of weeks ago, and UCLA has this edge guy. Yeah,
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: you know, I think it's a lot too or something
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: like that. Did I tell you the story was this
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: guy is really good. I'm like, and I never I
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: wasn't overly familiar with them, and I'm like, watch, I'm like,
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: this guy's really good. I'm gonna remember these are the
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: kinds of edge guys. I really like, you're supposed to
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: be like a top five.
• 40:00
  Speaker 8: Yeah, nothing, that's how I fell too.
• 40:05
  Speaker 7: Judge good judge of talent right here A couple of
• 40:08
  Speaker 7: a couple other observations to throw it to the group,
• 40:11
  Speaker 7: Michael and wayn you little little concerned. I think this
• 40:13
  Speaker 7: was a little bit of a reminder that he's not
• 40:15
  Speaker 7: really truly a right tackle, maybe doesn't have quite the
• 40:18
  Speaker 7: link in the athleticism to really be a full time
• 40:21
  Speaker 7: guy there against an elite kind of pass rusher. So
• 40:24
  Speaker 7: I don't know that performance gave me a little bit
• 40:26
  Speaker 7: of a pause in terms of.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Just you know.
• 40:28
  Speaker 7: I mean, I don't know where you guys are at
• 40:30
  Speaker 7: right now, and I mean right now if you asked
• 40:32
  Speaker 7: me today, I don't really care about resigning the Big three.
• 40:36
  Speaker 7: I think I don't really care for I mean, I
• 40:38
  Speaker 7: think Douger's fine. He's also twenty seven. Jo Bill Peppers
• 40:41
  Speaker 7: is one year older than Douger. I kind of feel like,
• 40:44
  Speaker 7: let Dougger walk, get a real free safety, puts some
• 40:46
  Speaker 7: speed on the back end.
• 40:49
  Speaker 8: I liked having his athleticism.
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: Was this something that was work?
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Now? This is all do?
• 40:53
  Speaker 7: Solo made a couple of nice place Dog made a
• 40:58
  Speaker 7: nice couple couple nice plays and at times I was like,
• 41:00
  Speaker 7: it's nice to have a guy with this kind of athleticism,
• 41:03
  Speaker 7: especially when facing you know, an athletic quarterback like Herbert.
• 41:06
  Speaker 7: He ran him down a couple of times and you know,
• 41:07
  Speaker 7: made life like tough for him. But again, what are
• 41:10
  Speaker 7: you going to invest in him to? You know, I
• 41:12
  Speaker 7: mean he plays twenty to twenty five percent of the snaps.
• 41:14
  Speaker 7: It's it's hard to really say. And with him when
• 41:17
  Speaker 7: you it's like, I mean, City's out, not great, but okay,
• 41:20
  Speaker 7: and how much are we going to continue to kind
• 41:22
  Speaker 7: of play this game with the offensive line?
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Like you know, I if.
• 41:26
  Speaker 7: We were investing in him at right guard, but if
• 41:27
  Speaker 7: you really feel like City can play right guard, yeah,
• 41:31
  Speaker 7: I will.
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: Resign if I'm convinced that he's the tackle. I don't
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: care about the guard.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: Oh I'm resigning him either way. If you want to
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: make the same mistake you did with Joe Toney, then
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: go ahead, like if you want to let a good
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: offensive lineman walk out the door.
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: And I think the mistake with Joe Touney was wasting
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: money franchising.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Well, that's what and that's.
• 41:49
  Speaker 7: That's yeah, I mean that's where I think that the
• 41:50
  Speaker 7: debate is you know, and that's where where does the
• 41:52
  Speaker 7: money go? And you know, is it? I mean, I
• 41:55
  Speaker 7: don't want to say Michael when he's not good, but
• 41:57
  Speaker 7: is he is he just redundant? And how much of
• 41:58
  Speaker 7: an impact is he really going to have?
• 42:00
  Speaker 8: I don't know.
• 42:00
  Speaker 7: I just I mean, this is where I'm at right
• 42:03
  Speaker 7: now here week fourteen, as we sick get ready, they
• 42:05
  Speaker 7: need to do a.
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: Better job of drafting and developing. I think we all
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: if Bill.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Goes maybe more important then who's going to be the coaches,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: who's going to be picking players? Who's heading up the ball? Well?
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: And I would also just say too to that, like
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: for who is he picking players for? Because Mike on
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: When who is a three hundred and forty pound guard.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: If he if they're going to hire Ben Johnson to
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: run an outside zone offense, then he's not a fit
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: for that system. So it also matters in that respect too.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: But I with on when Who, I'm still resigning him.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: I was a little concerned that looking back at some
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: of the tape for the first couple starts at tackle,
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: they hadn't played an elite pass rusher yet, and now
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: he's going to get Khalil Mack who just took his
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: lunch money like that was probably the worst game Mike
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: on when who's ever played.
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: That's the first time I saw him consistently exposed.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: He looked like Darian Lowe, like I it was that bad.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: And now he's gonna get TJ. Watt this week, so
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: you're gonna see it in back to back weeks. How
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: does it look against the best of the best? I mean,
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: Mac is leading the league in sacks and year.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: Just to end, you know, my thoughts with with the
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: when you like, if they resign a when you I
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: won't sit there and say they're wasting money. They're doing
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: like he's a good player. That's the kind of guy
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: that I think that they've been too willing to let
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: go guys that they draft, they developed, they've actually played well.
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: And I would say the same thing about Duggar. I'm
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: not going to be up in arms if they let
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: him go the way Mike said. Everything Mike said, I
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: would say, yeah, that makes sense, you know, like he's
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: you know, kind of redund kind of redundant. But if
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: they kept him, I think at some point you got
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: to keep some of your players and stop trying to.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: I just wonder what it would look like with with
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: Dugger if you're going to keep him long term, which
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: I think you probably should with Dugger and Pepper's and
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: then like a true center fielder as the third guy
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: so that you can get to that Deron Harmon, Devin
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: Mccordya Bates last year, I don't think they ever.
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: We never never did. We talked about him. I know
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: we talked about him. I didn't remember if we had.
• 44:10
  Speaker 7: Actually maybe just another way to frame this win you
• 44:12
  Speaker 7: thing is like to your point, Paul, you gave Shack
• 44:15
  Speaker 7: Mason a big deal, you franchise, like, can we just
• 44:17
  Speaker 7: get a like can we just wing it with guards
• 44:19
  Speaker 7: next year?
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Can we just wing it like let's let's.
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: Investor say how much better? So better?
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: And if you want, I know, winging it with guard
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: you have seventy five million dollars in caps because you.
• 44:30
  Speaker 8: Winged it with tackles this year.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Why does it invest in tackles.
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: That's a great point, because I don't care about the money.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: What doesn't matter, And you're letting good players walk out
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: the door and the next quarterback is going to be
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: on his ass.
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: It matters to me because I think there's a finite
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: amount of money that they that they will spend, and
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: I don't want it spent on interior offensive linemen. I
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: just don't think that's the only If I thought that
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: they were going to run it like everybody else and say, yeah, yeah,
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: we'll overpay for a WINU, but it's not gonna stop
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: off from getting T Higgins, then I'm fine. I'll take both.
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: I agree with you. I think he's better.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: Just holes Again, it's just like a couple of seasons
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: ago when they traded Shack Mason, they low ball ted
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: Carris and now you have to draft cold Strange in
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: the first round and you're just creating holes off the offense.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: But that's letting them all go at once. Like in
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: the span of a year, probably eighteen months, you lost
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: your top three guards for nothing, like, for no reason.
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: Like that's a little different than letting one guy go.
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: But I told you, if they resign when you I,
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: you won't hear one ounce of criticism for me.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: Does it change your perspective at all?
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: Though?
• 45:36
  Speaker 7: On and then you know, we've talked about this plenty
• 45:38
  Speaker 7: about not retaining your guys and not retaining your players.
• 45:41
  Speaker 7: But if there is a regime change. Does that matter
• 45:44
  Speaker 7: as much because you're bringing in a new guy that
• 45:45
  Speaker 7: you're going to try to establish all new energy anyway?
• 45:48
  Speaker 8: I don't know.
• 45:48
  Speaker 7: I mean, I'm I'm just asking the question here.
• 45:51
  Speaker 8: That's where I'm like my head's at.
• 45:53
  Speaker 7: It's like, on one hand, yeah, you'd love to, you know,
• 45:55
  Speaker 7: retain these guys, but like to Evan's point, what if
• 45:57
  Speaker 7: they don't really fit? Like what if we come in
• 45:59
  Speaker 7: what if a new defense coordinator. I'm not running the
• 46:02
  Speaker 7: sixth safety defense anymore. We're gonna run a free safety
• 46:05
  Speaker 7: and a strong safety.
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: And that's We're just looking at it in a vacuum.
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: We have no idea what what what the scheme is
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: gonna do?
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: So seasons over Bill, whether he decides to leave or
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: they decide to you know, have him leave, whatever. What's
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: your first step if you're the Crafts, is it to
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: hire a head coach.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: Or to hire a GM retaining Gerard Mayo?
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: So you bring him in as the head coach.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: Defensive court do defensive coordinator?
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Is that allowed? Because is gerd Mao going to agree
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: to that?
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's a title, it's probably you know, probably
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: already getting paid pretty well otherwise I don't know why.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: So you're gonna make that You're going to sign him
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: to that before you sign your head coach and GM
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: what if they don't want.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: That, then they're stupid. Okay, but I wouldn't hire those guys,
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: Like what.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: If you know what if a head coach comes in
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: and he wants to bring his guy or.
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: To do like so, I guess my point is is like,
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: this is what I hear you, but this defense is
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: not is not schematically broken? Is really well talked about?
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: That early?
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: Do you run this defense back?
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: I would like I I feel like that's the side
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: of the ball that I would like to see some
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: continuity stay. And I think Girod's the right guy, whether
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: it's the head coach or as the defensive coordinator to
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: do it.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Well, let's say they make Gerard the head coach. Would
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: you be surprised if he says, you know what, Steve,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: I want you, I want you on my staff the.
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: DC, Yes, surprised? What stunned?
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't be would really? I don't know. I mean
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: they look like they have a good relationship.
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: They know what they're firing his father and we're going
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: to retain his son. Yeah, I would be stunned. You
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: asked me a question, that's my answer. But I don't I.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Don't find it out of the realm of possibility.
• 47:51
  Speaker 7: I mean, I also just think in terms of the
• 47:54
  Speaker 7: defense though, I mean, go back to our earlier point
• 47:57
  Speaker 7: of that it's really hard to have an elite defense.
• 47:59
  Speaker 8: You can have a good defense.
• 48:00
  Speaker 7: Is it that much to say we can just get
• 48:02
  Speaker 7: back to a good defense, Like even if we do
• 48:04
  Speaker 7: blow this defense up, that you know that there are
• 48:06
  Speaker 7: enough pieces to have a competent even if it's not
• 48:08
  Speaker 7: this gonna blow then who knows what's going to happen.
• 48:12
  Speaker 7: But I'm saying, you know, you're bringing back as many
• 48:15
  Speaker 7: guys as you can that you want, and you know
• 48:19
  Speaker 7: that solves it. I mean, Drod's your head coach, but
• 48:22
  Speaker 7: he's bringing back Steve. He's a defensive coach.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Now Drod's job or whoever the GM's job is the offense.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Focus on the offense. We need to build an offense
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: from the ground up.
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: I just look at it.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: I think that there has to be there's a lot
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: to be said in my book for the fact that
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: the defense is still playing its tails off at two intents,
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: I agree, and somebody is responsible for that, you know,
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: primarily and talking to the guys in the locker room
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: after the game on Sunday, that was the first time
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: that the defense was starting to really come out and
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: point fingers, I know, and just be like.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Godshaw had those contents.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, he said the same stuff to me as well.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: I didn't advertise it as highly as Andrew Allen did
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: for obvious reasons, but I asked god Shaw, I was like,
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: you know what about Gerrod? Like what because obviously you
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: guys are still playing your butts off for somebody, and
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's Bill, Like I just don't. And
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: so who is it? And he said, Girod's that guy
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: that he's the alpha. You walk into the room with
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: Steve and Girard and the rest of the coaching staff,
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: and Girrod is the alpha dog in that room. And
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: everybody respects Girod Mayo, he said, we all respect all
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: of our coaches, but that that is the guy that's
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: leading the ship right now on that side of the ball.
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: And I think, regardless of all the x's and o's
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: and stuff like that, there has to be something. There's
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: something to be said for the fact that he's getting
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: those guys to play hard. Sure at this point of
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: the season, and they play for him, and I think
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: that that is you know, that was it for me.
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: I was like, all right, you know this, this is
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: a guy that needs to be here. And I wouldn't
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: change the defense grammatically, I wouldn't change what they're building
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: on that side of the football. I think they do
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: have young players that are playing in that defense that
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: are going to continue to play well. It's really you know,
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: the old guys are you know Lawrence guy. I guess
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: Judaan is starting to get up there. But for the most part,
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: you either have guys that are in their prime or
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: young on the defensive side of the football, and I
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: think that you should work to retain all those people.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: It'll be interesting, like you said Douce earlier, when they
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: play Mahomes this year, will they still be playing hard?
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: It's only two weeks away, but will they still be
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: playing hard? I think they're how effective will they be?
• 50:33
  Speaker 6: You know?
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: And I just look at Kansas City and I just
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: I think they'll be fine against Kansas City. They haven't
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: done anything in months. Just we haven't seen it Herbert's good,
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: but the defense is suddenly really good Kansas City, but
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: their offense is just kind of pedestrian.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Let's open it up a five to five pats five
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: hundred disease. Take it out like gotta hurri because we're
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: gonna do picks today. Mark s and Everett, what's up? Mark?
• 50:56
  Speaker 6: You should take my I think I think we're way old.
• 51:00
  Speaker 6: I mean, you guys know me. I'm fifty five.
• 51:02
  Speaker 10: Grew up on Evert.
• 51:03
  Speaker 6: We used to be called the Patsies before you know,
• 51:06
  Speaker 6: we became the best the last twenty years. It takes
• 51:09
  Speaker 6: a little time. It's only three years removed. It's not
• 51:13
  Speaker 6: Bill's fault. Bill used to say, coaches coach, players play.
• 51:17
  Speaker 6: We've all heard him say that we just needed a
• 51:19
  Speaker 6: little bit more time. We're not blowing everything up. If
• 51:22
  Speaker 6: we bring in a new coach, it's going to be
• 51:23
  Speaker 6: a new system. We'll lose half our coaching staff. Then
• 51:27
  Speaker 6: we'll be rebuilding from scratch. It'll be another five six
• 51:30
  Speaker 6: years before we're somewhere. Defense is playing great, he asked,
• 51:34
  Speaker 6: some of our rookies still need a little more and
• 51:36
  Speaker 6: dropping a few balls. But Bill's not the one throwing interceptions.
• 51:40
  Speaker 6: Bill's not the one fumbling on the goal line. Bill's
• 51:43
  Speaker 6: not the one who's going off sides. You guys got
• 51:45
  Speaker 6: to live now.
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: He's the one who brought all those players that are
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: doing all those things here.
• 51:50
  Speaker 6: Yes, he picked them, he thought they were good.
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: And he's coaching them too.
• 51:57
  Speaker 6: Listen, who what about Eleman? Element wasn't until Bill brought
• 52:01
  Speaker 6: him in. Mayo wasn't nobody until Bill brought him in.
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: Mayo Mayo was the tenth overall picking the draft.
• 52:08
  Speaker 6: Who picked him?
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: Bill?
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: My god?
• 52:10
  Speaker 6: Exactly?
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: He was on special teams.
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: He's nobody. He was not on special Mayo was a
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: stud linebacker at Tennessee.
• 52:18
  Speaker 6: I'm sorry, Paul, I met Gentleman, I.
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: Met Edelman was a college quarterback that got sure they
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: I mean, Dad and Brady allowed you to develop in
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: into a star. But whatever, So you're.
• 52:29
  Speaker 6: Saying, you say he'd rather get rid of the Bill
• 52:31
  Speaker 6: and bringing a whole new staff, a whole new team
• 52:33
  Speaker 6: is start all over again, Yes, and not keep the
• 52:35
  Speaker 6: guy who's been keeping us the way we have.
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: Then go to and ten. Yes, I would rather do
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: that than go to and ten. Yes to me, you're.
• 52:43
  Speaker 6: Asking for trouble. I mean you're asking for trouble. We're
• 52:45
  Speaker 6: gonna have a whole new everyone.
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: What is trouble gonna be one and eleven?
• 52:49
  Speaker 6: Well, it doesn't matter this. Yes, this year we stake
• 52:52
  Speaker 6: when last year we were okay. The year before that
• 52:55
  Speaker 6: we made it to the playoffs. It's not like the
• 52:58
  Speaker 6: worst thing ever. I mean, we're not the Jets.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: We're not.
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: You know, I got news for you. You're worse than
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: the Jets.
• 53:05
  Speaker 6: This season. Yeah, so you think Bill is totally lost it.
• 53:11
  Speaker 6: He is not to do anything about football because he
• 53:13
  Speaker 6: made a few bad choicest.
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: Don't make it, Andy Hart, don't make an Andy hard argument.
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: I didn't say that he's totally lost it. He doesn't
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: know anything about football. I don't think he's done a
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: good job of coaching the team. They get a delay
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: of game every week, they have to call a timeout
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: to avoid a delay a game every week. They get
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: caught with twelve men on the field every week like that.
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: The coaching that's coaching. Those are coaching errors, over and
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: over and over.
• 53:35
  Speaker 6: And we all know who it is. It's his. He
• 53:38
  Speaker 6: hasn't been coached up not to do it.
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: Who are we talking about.
• 53:42
  Speaker 6: We're talking about the offensive line who constantly have false starts.
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: I didn't say anything about false starts. I said delay
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: a game, timeouts and bad times, and I said too
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: many men on the field. That has nothing to do
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: with a false start.
• 53:56
  Speaker 6: That's coaching, because that's because the players don't know what
• 53:59
  Speaker 6: they're doing, so take time.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: I know. But but when when when players don't know
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: what they're doing, the coach gets blamed.
• 54:08
  Speaker 6: Of course he gets blamed. But we know that coaches
• 54:11
  Speaker 6: coach and players play players not good enough, He's gonna
• 54:14
  Speaker 6: make a mistake.
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: But he keeps trotting out those players.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: I know, But when, But Mark, look at it the
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: other way. Whenever you see those teams that are very
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: rarely penalized or you always say, well, that's a well
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: coached team. So the opposite has to be true too, right, And.
• 54:30
  Speaker 6: I get and I get that, but you don't. I
• 54:32
  Speaker 6: get that, But it's not really what's going on.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: Yes, it is.
• 54:37
  Speaker 6: If we all had a homes we'd all be great coach. Okay,
• 54:40
  Speaker 6: if we all had a Brady, we'd all be great coaches.
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: Exactly. You just made my argument for me. Yeah, without Brady,
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: you just have a regular guy, just like everybody else.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: Thanks, Mark, I mean, listen, I I I hear what
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: he's saying, but it's time listen.
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: It's fine to be honest with you. And I know
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: Mark a little bit, which is why back at him
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: the way I did, because I do know who I
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: know Mark, I used to be with teammates. The thing
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: that I can't get around is you can't just totally
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: rest on past accomplishments and just say that that's what
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: it is, okay, Like you have to sort of adjust
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: to what you're seeing in the moment. And yeah, you
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: can make an argument to be honest with you. I
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: respect Mark's loyalty to Bill Belichick and understanding and recog
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: Now I'm not trying to be patronizing, recognizing what he
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: did for twenty plus years and not wanting to just
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: flippantly throw that away and move on. Brian Morey, who
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: used to be a big part of this show with
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: Red and I, I feels the same way. He can't
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: believe he hasn't He's wisely not addressed this with me,
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: but I know he has with you and Matt Freed right.
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: He finds it unbelievable, finds it fathomable that it's even
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: a thought, and there's part of me that really looks
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: at that and says, that's impressive loyalty. And I'm not
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: making fun of I'm not saying that ironically at all.
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: Like I know this guy has done so much for
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: my team. I can't believe that you would even think
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: about replacing him. I think differently, but two people can
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: look at the same thing and have reasonably different I
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: have differences of a pion.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: Bill was on board, and I mean on board, not
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: just reluctantly on board with someone else coming in and
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: running personnel, and he just focuses on coaching. I'd be
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: okay with that.
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't, you know, because he would coach it the
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: same way he's coaching it now. I think he loves
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: these games, the last three games, like holding the score down.
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: I just I don't think he's interested in trying to outscore.
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: I think Brady was so good that that's what happened
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: is it didn't matter.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: Logan's in Indiana. What's up? Logan?
• 56:49
  Speaker 10: Hey guys? I love your show.
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: Thanks hi, Evan real quick.
• 56:55
  Speaker 6: You're the fan.
• 56:56
  Speaker 10: I love your input on this show. I love all you.
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: Guys, but you're Evans that along evn't had to go
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: and uh talk to Bailey's app.
• 57:04
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, it's confronting dais all right.
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: Well he's gonna ask him why he.
• 57:08
  Speaker 10: Controversial question, mister crafts your guys the boss. If you
• 57:12
  Speaker 10: don't want to answer it, that's fine. But is there
• 57:14
  Speaker 10: a power struggle going on here? Like the crab tail
• 57:17
  Speaker 10: Belichick for drafting Mac Josephs the man you're gonna stick
• 57:21
  Speaker 10: with you're coaching because Belichick wants to put the best
• 57:24
  Speaker 10: product on the cannot think that Mac.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he told him specifically to you know,
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: draft Mac or eight quarterback. What I do think is
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: that he told you need to be more collaborative, because
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: that word was used by Belichick and by Craft. And
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: so if that means listen to Matt grow more or
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: listen to your scouts more when they give you suggestions,
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: that could be part of it. And if you want
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: to call that a power struggle, okay, But I doubt
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: that Craft would be unwise enough to go in and
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: demand to pick a certain player, because when you start
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: doing that as an owner and things go bad, who
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: do you fire? Yeah? Right, you don't set yourself up
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: like that as an owner. Yeah, it just.
• 58:10
  Speaker 10: Sounded like Bill was a little high on Bailey.
• 58:14
  Speaker 6: Just a couple of little combats.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: Well, well, I think he was doing that because he
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: liked his attitude and I think he didn't like Max
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: at it.
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: Well, I think it's one thing. He didn't turn it over.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well that part of it.
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: He kept saying he didn't turn it over. He didn't
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: turn it over, he didn't turn it over, and he
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: ignored the fact that they didn't move the ball and score.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Logan, thanks Paul's Foods here. Uh so
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: we're gonna take a quick break, eat a little bit
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• 58:43
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  Speaker 1: What's up, everybody, Maddie here. Bill Belichick spoke to the
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: media yesterday.
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  Speaker 5: Let's listen to what he had to say.
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  Speaker 12: I know it's a few times up in the game
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  Speaker 12: that you know, you guys moved ball well at times
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  Speaker 12: but couldn't inside the red area of the scoring position. What,
• 59:46
  Speaker 12: in your perspective prevented the offense from being able to
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  Speaker 12: move the ball to the red zone or down the
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  Speaker 12: go line.
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  Speaker 13: I think there's a number of factors. Let mean, first
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  Speaker 13: of all, and we get it there, we got to
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  Speaker 13: do more with it. You know, we have a couple
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 13: of negative plays in those situations, and you know that
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  Speaker 13: put us out.
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  Speaker 9: You know, put us out. We weren't able to convert on.
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  Speaker 13: We're on a long field, so that's that's always hard
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  Speaker 13: to you know, move the ball an extra thirty or
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  Speaker 13: forty yards, you know, but they look, that is what
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  Speaker 13: it is. We get the ball there, still got to
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  Speaker 13: do more with it. But you know, we got to
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  Speaker 13: one drive. I think it was like fourteen plays and
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 13: something like that, and you know, went from the down
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  Speaker 13: somewhere around the ten to the thirty, so you know
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  Speaker 13: it's a good drive, but still not really even in
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 13: scoring range.
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  Speaker 9: So you know, it's a combination of.
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  Speaker 13: Not having enough explosive plays, not being able to do
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  Speaker 13: well enough when we got the ball into the plus
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 13: plus territory, and you know, plan on long field always,
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  Speaker 13: you know, makes it statistically harder to make long drives
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  Speaker 13: compared to short ones.
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  Speaker 9: So those are some of the things.
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  Speaker 13: But I mean, in the end, when we get there,
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  Speaker 13: we just got to do more with the opportunities that
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  Speaker 13: we have when we get the ball in the scoring area.
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  Speaker 12: And just one quick fall up. Were you pleas enough
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  Speaker 12: with the offensive performance to start Bailey again on Thursday?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, well we'll talk about the game plan here today.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 12: Expecting Chris back.
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  Speaker 14: In reference to yesterday and also kind of more generally
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  Speaker 14: this season, what do you do with being the main
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 14: problems in terms of the offensive production?
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 9: Is it is a talent issue? Is it an execution issue?
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 6: There is?
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  Speaker 14: Obviously the defense has you in games, but the offense
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  Speaker 14: has not been able to seemingly live up to their end.
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  Speaker 9: Of the bargain. Yeah. Well, there's no question we need
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  Speaker 9: to be more productive offensively, so just keep working on it.
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  Speaker 15: Is it a talent issue?
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  Speaker 9: Execution?
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  Speaker 1: What do you what do you feel?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah?
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  Speaker 13: I think there's it's a combination of things. But if
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  Speaker 13: we can can make them, make them better, then collectively
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  Speaker 13: we think it will have better results.
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  Speaker 14: Ken White t mind staffs on defense yesterday? What have
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  Speaker 14: you seen from him in his development and how has
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 14: he grown into more playing time?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah?
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  Speaker 13: No, I mean can's you know, hard working kid. He's
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  Speaker 13: out there every day and and that's how you get better,
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  Speaker 13: get better with being on the practice field, working on
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  Speaker 13: your techniques or reads or fundamentals, your keys, and then
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 13: you know, improving your techniques. He's done all those and
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 13: gets gets better every day and you know, is improved
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  Speaker 13: of the course of the season. That's sort of it's
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  Speaker 13: a credit to his hard work and coachability that that
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  Speaker 13: he's done.
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  Speaker 1: I get.
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  Speaker 16: Next question, Michael Hurley, and I encourage others to raising.
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  Speaker 14: Hand if you have a question, Bill, just a quick
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  Speaker 14: question on Bailey.
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  Speaker 9: I know it's limited sample.
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  Speaker 14: Size and a couple of passes yesterday probably could have
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 14: been hot, but fifty percent completion right through this point,
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  Speaker 14: are you seeing a.
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  Speaker 9: Different quarterback than what you had last year in Bailey
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  Speaker 9: or what have you? What is I don't know, fifty
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 9: sticks out to you or not?
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, well again, I'm always looking to, you know, increase
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 13: our production on everything, so passing games, you know, and
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 13: part of function of the quarterbacks, function of the receivers,
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  Speaker 13: pass protection, and the plays the way they match up
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  Speaker 13: against the coverages. So just try to keep moving forward
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  Speaker 13: to maximize every one of those areas the best we can.
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  Speaker 14: H Chris Ryan All for Rainbow. I want to asked
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  Speaker 14: well about Pittsburgh on a short week, what are you.
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  Speaker 15: Know the challenges of taking them on or anybody on.
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  Speaker 14: This in a short week, particularly when you're looking to
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 14: find some consistency on one side of the ball.
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  Speaker 9: Uh.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, well again, it's uh, every team has has one
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 13: of these games, and you know we've all had them
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 13: in the past. So it's about rest, recovery, being physically
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 13: ready to go, and then only you know, quick turnaround
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 13: from yesterday's game to Pittsburgh saut and report today and
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 13: you know, a couple of days of trying to you know,
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  Speaker 13: get things covered.
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  Speaker 9: You know, pretty far into the season.
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  Speaker 13: I don't think there's a lot of you know, new things,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 13: but it's more adapting into what we do against what
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 13: they do, which is different than what we've seen. Especially defensively.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 13: There's just a lot of odd spacing BA defense. Not
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 13: that we haven't seen that, but you know, these guys
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  Speaker 13: obviously do a lot of it, and so we'll have
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 13: to and they do it their kind of their style
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 13: of doing it, and so we'll have to adapt that
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  Speaker 13: to some of the things that you know that we want.
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  Speaker 4: To do in this game.
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  Speaker 9: So so yeah, it's a quick quick turnaround that.
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  Speaker 13: Again physically mentally and and uh and then from a
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  Speaker 13: game planning standpoint, you know, we just all have to
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 13: you know, not try to do too much game planning,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 13: but you know, physically be ready to go and be
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 13: ready to compete for sixty minutes.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 16: Right Well, thanks question to cot to random exact costs Well,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 16: a similar question, but specifically on Pittsburgh's offense counts up.
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  Speaker 16: Is it to develop a game plan to them this
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 16: week given the coordinator change, the entry to the quarterback
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  Speaker 16: that just happened, and including the short week.
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  Speaker 13: Right, Well, again, when you're when you're this far into
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 13: the season, I don't think you know, you'd see a
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  Speaker 13: too many teams on a Thursday game, you know, revamp
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  Speaker 13: and run a whole new offense. You know, at this
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 13: point you're and you've committed a lot of time and
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 13: reps to what you do, and you you know, modified
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 13: a little bit for the specific opponent, but you pretty
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 13: much are what you are at this point in the
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 13: season and in terms of schematically, and I don't think
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  Speaker 13: you're put in the twenty or thirty new plays this week,
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  Speaker 13: so even it was a full week.
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  Speaker 9: So I just you know, I think you prepare for
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 9: what what you've seen.
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  Speaker 13: We played this team last year, so we have a
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 13: little bit of a background at least with some of
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 13: the personnel and certainly the defensive scheme. But there's always
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 13: the unknown. You know, something different could happen, and if
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 13: it does, I'm if you're ready to adapt to it.
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  Speaker 9: Thank you.
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  Speaker 14: And one more, uh, do you anticipate anticipate Matthew Judon
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  Speaker 14: being able to return to practice it all down the
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 14: stretch this season?
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 9: We'll see. That's a good question. Yeah, we'll see.
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  Speaker 13: That's that's a medical questions, So see how that plays out.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 13: I know he's working hard. You know, Matt's been an
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 13: here and uh, you know it works hard on a
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 13: on a daily basis. But again that that's a medical
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 13: question that you know I wouldn't be able to answer.
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  Speaker 9: You know, it looks like the last question for Zach Cups.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 7: Morning built.
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  Speaker 17: But what does Moping need to show you in order
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 17: to earn a more significant role defensively? I know you
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 17: had some opportunities early in yesterday's game, but only I
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 17: believe over the last couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 13: Well, you know, we have pretty good depth at that position,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 13: and obviould say Peppers and Dugger, you know, two of
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 13: our best players and to the better players in the
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 13: league at that position. So not really looking to get
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 13: them off the field and you just get playing time
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 13: for somebody. Use players around guys like Doug and Pepper's
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 13: situationally because you think they can help you in that
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 13: situation in a certain package. And so that's that's really
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 13: what players need to do in situations like that, is
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 13: you know, develop an opportunity and and then be ready
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 13: to perform well when those opportunities come to.
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  Speaker 9: Create more opportunities. So and tased on that. He's he's
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 9: a hard working kid.
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  Speaker 13: He you know, really pays attention, very studious and attentive,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 13: and you know he's improved a lot through the course
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 13: of the year. I don't think he's a good player,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 13: will be a good player, but you know, he's still
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 13: young and inexperienced. And let's say right now, you know
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 13: the guys ahead of him are just ahead of them.
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  Speaker 18: When someone accidentally threw away the school play costumes, no
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 18: replacements were shipped with FedEx and with picture proof of delivery,
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  Speaker 18: now it's next for residential delivery.
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  Speaker 4: Only and now great moments in.
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  Speaker 1: History. But but that's my point. They didn't. I think
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  Speaker 1: Levy was caught the wave there. He had a great team,
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  Speaker 1: great person you know, great players. They were oh my.
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  Speaker 4: Whoa sorry who unnecessary one forever right, that came out
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  Speaker 4: of nowhere.
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  Speaker 1: They were, they were loaded. We'll get that on posting.
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  Speaker 1: so we gotta hurry. But Chris with A T, I
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  Speaker 1: A N S on the phone, what's up, Christian?
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  Speaker 15: Hey, what's going on?
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: Guys? Hey?
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 15: You know call is like mock that just want to
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 15: make you bag your head off the table. Look, we
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 15: all want to go back to two thousand and three
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 15: when Tyle Loff picked off Times THEFC Championship game. But
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 15: you know, the best the dynasty, you know portion of
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 15: the dynasty that year, Like it was just phenomenal. It's great.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 15: It's over twenty years ago. And I don't know how
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 15: you could possibly watch these past four seasons that think
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 15: that changes are warned and officiate doesn't convince you with that.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 15: I don't know what will like. I I'm just baffled
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 15: with people like and I don't know if you guys
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 15: have seen it, but I all over all over Twitter,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 15: uh you know, online wherever. Oh the defense the past
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 15: three games, they've been liked. So who have they played?
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: And it can score point? This one was was you know,
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 4: more impressive than the other two.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: It was rainy.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not even taking that. I think the
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 4: defense has played hard. I think Evan the way Evan
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 4: puts it is right. They they're continuing to compete. Now,
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: I'm with you, Christian, and I've been down this road.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to go in today. I think they're fine.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 4: I think the defense is fine, right, but you know,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 4: I just haven't seen them, you know.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: But that's the thing you bring back. But what's going
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: to change, you know, Like what is going to change
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: if you bring back Bill and the staff and what
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: is going to change? It's sometimes you just need a
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: new start, you know. And I understand like, oh, maybe
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: it's going to take you know, two or three years
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: to rebuild again or maybe longer, but like that's what
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: we're looking at anyway, you know.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 7: Right, And it's not like Bill Scott like six seven,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 7: eight years, like I mean you know, it's it's got
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 7: to happen the next few years.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: And that's a big part of it for me. Like
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 4: if you were fifty five, I would say, yeah, give
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 4: him a chance to fix this.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 15: Yeah, totally different conversation.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 4: But he's said he's going to be seventy two in April.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 4: I just don't know if he'll be around, you.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: Know, And you know I said it before. If we're
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: lucky enough to get Caleb Williams or Drake may you
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: want a coach that's going to be there with him
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: as he grows, you know, like so they grow together,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: you know, you know, and and hopefully that's an offensive coach.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: You know, no disrespect to Gerard Mayo, but that whoever there,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: whoever is there on the offensive side, is with him.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: For you know, you don't want to be in that
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: situation where the young quarterback is going through coordinators. It's
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: just it's not a way to learn how to play
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: this game. We already did that around me, all right.
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  Speaker 7: There is a part of me though, that, just for
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 7: entertainment's sake, would love to hear the Belichick pitch of
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 7: if you wanted to stay and what he thinks needs.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: To give it to you, well, yeah, but I mean,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: I I'd love to hear love it.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 7: I mean, but I'd also say I don't want to
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 7: hear the they just have to play better, Like I
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 7: would like to hear the real like this is what
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 7: was missing this year.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 4: I think you started to hear it a little bit,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 4: you know, like some of the defensive players, like if
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 4: we had an offense you know, you know, yeah, right
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 4: in the middle of right, right right in the mid
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 4: of the playoff picture, and you know, you know, the
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 4: turn turnovers have really really hurt us and not you know, injuries,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 4: you know, Like I think it's like I always make
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 4: fun of the Felger fact, Like you can use facts
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: like Matthew Judar and Christian Gonzales getting hurt were two
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 4: significant injuries to that defense. That's a fact. Like it's
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 4: a stretch to then say instead of two and ten,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: you'd be ten and two, which I think some people
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: exaggerating a little bit. Some people have sort of said,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 4: like that's the difference between competing and not competing, And
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 4: it's not like just like I keep saying, like the
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 4: Patriots turnover problem, right, it's not to be like they
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 4: didn't lose Sunday because they didn't get shut out, because
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 4: they turned the ball over all over the place. They
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 4: had one fumble that was gonna precede a third and long.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 4: You know, so maybe they would have kicked a field goal.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 4: Maybe they lose six to three instead. I don't know.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 4: But you can sit there and say they've turned the
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 4: ball over a lot this year and convince yourself that's
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 4: why they're two and ten. And I always say, how
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 4: do I put it, Fred? They don't. They don't suck
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: because they turn the ball over a lot. They turned
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: the ball over a lot because they suck, do you.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: Know what I mean?
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the players aren't good enough. And again the coach
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 4: is responsible for the players.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: But it's someone like Maury just.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 7: Willing to eat a two win season because because of
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 7: what the past was, and and you know, and and
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 7: and not even just a two win season by itself, but.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 4: You know, yeah, to me, it's three straight seasons, five seasons.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 7: Of going down and and and guys aren't developing, and
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 7: you know, it's just it feels right now like you
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 7: don't really have anything in the cupboard anymore, like there's
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 7: really nothing. I mean, you listen to Evan trying to
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 7: talk about what can you hang your hat on an offense?
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 7: It's just, you know, I just and I also just
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 7: think there's a bigger thing that there's just a time,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 7: like it's a certain time.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: It's just direction. You're driving a car and you go
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: into a place you've never been before, this before GPS,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you find yourself in this
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: dirt trail. You can keep going if you want, but
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: you probably should turn around and go in a different direction,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah, And sometimes you just
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: have to turn around and go in a different direction.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: And that's where we are.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: And part of me wonders too, of how much is
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 7: you know, why did the offense kind of carry over
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 7: if you know what I mean from last year? Cause
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 7: it's just I can't get over how much we were
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 7: just constantly lamenting Matt Patricia last year and it's just
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 7: that right now it's just as an effective a Why
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 7: did that carry over?
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 6: You know?
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: Is it all Max fault? I don't. I don't really
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: think so.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 7: I mean, I think it's you know, I just I like,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 7: as I was getting that, I think you just at
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 7: a certain time in sports, and it's crazy that that
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 7: Bill's been here is twenty four years or whatever it is.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 7: But it's just at a certain time, you kind of
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 7: it's time, you know, And that's to me what it
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 7: kind of feels like. It's just this isn't fixable in
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 7: his time frame, even if we wanted him to, and
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 7: he you know, we thought you would be capable of
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 7: doing it.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 8: I have a hard time thinking that he can fix
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 8: this team.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: And you know like it. You know, I fans don't
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: want to hear about money, But if I were the crafts,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: the thing that would scare me the most is seeing
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: on the secondary market ten dollars tickets now. Being a
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: season ticket holder becomes an economic decision because I can't
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: get my money back on the second Like you know,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go to five games, sell the rest,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: and you know it's it's a break even. So why
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: would I ever give my tickets now? If you can't
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: do that? Now? It's an economic decision. Do I really
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: want to hold on? Take a loss? Every year? And
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: you know, these waiting less people, you get the phone call,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: you're up, I don't know, you know, I know interesting,
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: I know I've been waiting for twenty years, but yeah, no,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: I'm on the way. And that's if I'm really, if
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: I'm the Craft, I'm worried about that. And not to
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: say that you fire Bill and all of a sudden
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: you're going to be good again. No, but you would
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: still in your fan base. You you draft that quarterback high,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: you have a new GM who's you know, taking you know,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: getting guys in free agency that are exciting, and you're
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: instilling hopeing to your fan base and they're saying, okay,
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: you know, yeah right now, there's none of that, And
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: that would scare me if I was the.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 7: Crest and that and that goes to my point earlier
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 7: of you need that number one pick quarterback that you're
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 7: gonna trots out there and in April and say here
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 7: we go. This is you know, and I mean I
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 7: felt it with Mac even you know, with Bill not
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 7: even in question at that point. You know, just with
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 7: having Mac out there, I got a first round quarterback,
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 7: there's you know, a new vibe here and you know,
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 7: just you know, whatever it might be, you know, Drake,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 7: may they roll them out there like that's you'll have
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 7: that same feeling again.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: You'll feel renewed and like, all right, we have a new.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 4: We're starting a new chapter with a total understanding that
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 4: it may not work, like you might not get the
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 4: right guy, and you may be back in that same place.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 4: Like That's why it is a cycle for the bad.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 4: You know, the Jets have done it with Donald and
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 4: Sanchez and Wilson and you know you but you got
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: to you got to get the right guy, and you
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 4: got to keep trying. If you don't get it right,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 4: you can't just I think Fred's analogy about the dirt world.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 4: You can't just keep going down the path that you
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 4: know is wrong. You need to keep trying to find
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 4: that guy. I've heard a lot of the San Francisco model, right,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 4: And I heard my buddy Mike this week, Mike g
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 4: Reees talk about you know, I'm kind of one, you know,
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 4: talking myself into that San Francisco's model. You know what
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 4: they did right, Just everybody understands what they did right.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 4: They violently traded up in the first round to use
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 4: the third overall pick on a quarterback. They missed, yep.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 4: And now they had other guys to allow them to
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 4: get away with those misses and ultimately plugged in a
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 4: seventh round guy who was played as well as they
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 4: could have ever possibly hoped that the number three overall
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 4: pick would play. So it worked.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: And you talk about an advanced offense, that's an advanced
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: offense and the parties his secret weapons. He can run it.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: Not not to say he's the best passer or the
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: best run but he can run that offense. And that's
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: all they need is someone who can run that offense,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: because every time you turn around, someone different has the
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: ball making a play. It's it's it's a fun team
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: to watch. That's good. He too, He is good.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I still feel though he goes against my feeling
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 7: of what the m v P should be though. I mean,
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 7: you know, it's just not the m v that's the
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 7: best player or the worst team around him, you know,
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 7: the guy that has willed the like you can't give
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 7: it to like the quarterback we go.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 4: I don't think he's the m v P of his team.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 4: That's why I wouldn't get I mean, I think he's
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 4: like fifth on the list of his team.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree, Yeah, but yeah, it's it's it's
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Sam's in Michigan.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 4: Sam, Hey, guys, how's going Sam?
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 11: All right?
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: So quick question you guys gonna lose to Alabama.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 19: Mark, my sister in law actually goes to Alabama, so
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 19: I kind of win either way.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: Okay, So next.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 19: March, Girod Mayo's the head coach. I'm sure the Crafts
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 19: want a little bit of continuity. You bring in some
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 19: kind of offensive minded offensive coordinator. Who again it's kind
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 19: of a crap shoot.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: Would he's offensive minded? Yeah?
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 19: Yeah, yeah, I do too. You have let's say the
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 19: number two or three pick one of the quarterbacks. Like
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 19: you guys said earlier, it's it's it's what chance, Pennix, whoever, Williams,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 19: it doesn't matter. Do you do what Houston does last
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 19: year and you try to package move up, take a
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 19: Martin Harrison junior, a Joe Alt like the tackle from
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 19: penn State.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: Do you try to do it together?
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 6: Do it a little more quickly?
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: Do you you know what I mean?
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Do you get aggressive? Do you do you start,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: you know, spending assets in the now?
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 7: I just don't know if they have the assets that
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 7: that Houston had last year to pull this kind of
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 7: and I'm.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 19: Not I don't know what kind of picks they have
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 19: in the later rounds, And I'm not a talent evaluator either.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 19: Maybe it is worth it in this kind of draft
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 19: to keep your second and thirds, and I know the
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 19: day two picks are really valuable, but I mean, Houston,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 19: I'm not saying it's going to work every year, but
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 19: they're in a position of competer a playoff spot, and
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 19: then it seems to work out well for them.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I just I think the thing scares me is
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 7: just trying to get cute and overthink it, and it's
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 7: just you just you know, don't don't don't do that,
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 7: think about what you need.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: You need a quarterback.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 7: I mean it's you know, as much as people want
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 7: Marvin Harrison Junior, I just I like and I get it,
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 7: like he's good and I'm sure it'll be exciting, but
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 7: also it's just I look at like that out of
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 7: the field after you introduce the draft pick, and it's like,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 7: the quarterback is the biggest position in this game, and
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 7: it would be yeah, it'll be fun to roll a
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 7: wide receiver out there, but now it's like, so I
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 7: was going to throw it to him, We're gonna be
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 7: able to protect it. You know, how many times is
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 7: the game is he really going to touch the ball.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 7: And you know, I like, I'd love to have him
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 7: on the team, but I just don't get cute. The
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 7: quarterback is the thing, and and until otherwise, you don't
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 7: have a quarterback right now?
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: Thanks Sam, all right, a lot of emails coming in
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: a lot of emails, Joe writes in he says, do
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: we owe Matt Patrician apology? Could it be that he
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: was not so inept? Even a great chef or a
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: good chef can't make a decent dinner with dollar store groceries.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 4: I think you might owe him an apology if you
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 4: were really like like like Fred's whole thing. But he
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 4: didn't do a good job coordinating in the offense, much
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 4: like Billy Oh is not doing a great job right now.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: I said he deserved to thank you.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's it. That's silly, But no, it isn't. Yes
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 4: it is.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: Why does he deserve a thank you for forgiving it
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: his all in something he had never done before?
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 4: He was asked to do a job, Thanks for trying,
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 4: and yeah.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: And he gave it his all, and you know he
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: was a good soldier.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 4: And then he you know nothing about first of all,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 4: you know nothing about how hard he tried, he tried hard. No,
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 4: you don't.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: Why how do you know?
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 4: How do you know? It's all I'm saying, work for Bill,
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 4: you try hard.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: You know, that's just the way it is.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 4: Some guys in the locker room right now that might
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 4: disagree with you.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm talking about coaches. They don't. There's no lack
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: of effort.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 7: But if Bill were to stay here, like, can you
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 7: imagine him saying we're going to bring in a new
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 7: offensive coordinator for a third year in a row, Like,
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 7: would you have any expectation that will look any different
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 7: unless they had significantly better personnel.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 4: Here's the thing is, are they going to bring someone
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 4: from outside who's going to bring in an entirely different
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 4: offense than I could? I could wrap my mind around that,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 4: But I think part of the problem is the system.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 7: Well that's and I mean and I beyond even the system.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 7: I just questioned the overall philosophy and if no matter
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 7: who that offensive corner, because I felt like Billy Oh
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 7: had he wasn't like Josh who was just completely enmeshed
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 7: and grain in this system. I don't know, I just
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 7: I think even if you bring in the hot shot,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 7: which whiz kid under Bill with the philosophy of how
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 7: they want to play, it might kind of look the same,
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 7: or at least they would, you know, they wouldn't be infesting.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 4: To hear all the talk recently about and I think
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 4: this is part when things go bad, Guys get their
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 4: messages out there to people. But a lot of talk
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 4: from like Burt Breer, Ted Johnson and those guys talking about,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 4: you know, how handcuffed Billy Oh has been right, you know,
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 4: like he's and I do get them, but you know,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 4: absolutely Freddy and I do think there's probably some similance
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 4: of truth to it because I just listening to Bill
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 4: Belichick pound and pound and pound away at the turnovers. Yeah,
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 4: like that's a hard way to play. I wrote in
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 4: my notes that posted this morning, like it's one thing
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 4: to not turn the ball over. That's great, But the
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 4: quarterback's job isn't to just not turn it over. It's
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 4: to make plays too, not just avoid bad ones.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: He goes in there petrified to make a mistake. That's
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: no way to go.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 4: And I thought that some of those sacks on Sunday
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 4: were examples where he wasn't willing to try to make
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 4: a play, and he was holding the ball too long.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Tim and Phoenix. BB is playing chess with checker
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: pieces and wondering why it's not working. It's a case
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: after can't two and not a case of want to.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: It's a case of okay, I can't not want. He
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: has stated over and over his job is to put
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: players in the best position to succeed. Not all players
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: are created equal. Asking current player actual to play like
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: former awesome patriot is not putting said current player into
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: a position to succeed. I have a theory on the drafting.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: In the last ten years, he's drafted players he wants
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: to work with. To me, this is meaning he is
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: taking players that don't push back like LT did insert
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: great player here. He's drafted and staffed a bunch of
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: yes men. Iron sharpens iron cliches.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 8: I don't know, I don't.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 7: I mean, I bristle a little bit. It's just like
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 7: he only wants sick of fans to do what he wants. Like,
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 7: I mean, I just I like, and I know that
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 7: that doesn't necessarily fit the narrative, but I just I
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 7: think it just comes down to the players. I just
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 7: think they don't have enough good players. They haven't drafted,
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 7: and their whole structure has gotten completely upset. And then
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 7: right now it's beyond fixing. It's not like, oh, we
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 7: had a bad draft. It's like you've had multiple bad
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 7: drafts strong in a row. Right now you're getting nothing.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 7: I mean, you have no one left from the twenty
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 7: nineteen draft class.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 8: Like those things.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: It's just.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 8: I don't know, I don't know where to point it.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 4: I just I, well, I think it's even letting him
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 4: off the hook in a little way, you know, like, well,
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 4: you know, he's playing, and I know that part of
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 4: it is all the cliches like that the email are
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 4: cleverly you know, sort of worked into that email, you know,
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 4: but there's playing checker chests with checker pieces like that's coaching.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 4: Like you can't just say, well, this is what I do,
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 4: and I adapt my what I do to the talent
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: that I have and then not do that, you know.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 4: And I think that one of the things that made
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 4: Bill so successful, you know, during the glory years and
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 4: during the run was they and we talked about this
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 4: when we're you know, sort of before when we're talking
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 4: about the two thousand and three season that you're working
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 4: on a podcast for you know, commemorating the two thousand
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 4: and three championship. They always were able to find a
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 4: way to beat you, regardless of whichever way you wanted
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 4: to play, and I think Bill was willing and able
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 4: to adapt to the sort of three yards and a
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 4: cloud of dust that started the dynasty toward a transition
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 4: toward a more wide open game where they're by design
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 4: throwing the ball fifty times in a game, not because
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 4: they had to, because they felt like that was what
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 4: was best. They could beat you throwing it, They could
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 4: beat you running it, they could beat you in a
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 4: defensive battle, they could beat you in a shootout. And
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 4: now I don't feel like that they operate that way anymore.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 4: I don't think that they have more ways to win,
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 4: and I think it's by design they want to keep
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 4: the score down and try to win that way. And
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 4: I just don't think, you know, and that's part of
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 4: like the score down the last couple of weeks. And
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 4: I'm not telling you the other team should have had
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 4: thirty points, because they shouldn't have all three of them.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 4: I mean, especially the Giants had no no offense whatsoever,
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 4: with a third string, undrafted rookie. I mean as an argument, Okay,
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 4: if taekwon, Thoorton takes that end around to the house,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 4: which he almost did, do you think they win the
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 4: game seven six?
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 8: Maybe?
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 4: I don't think there was any chance that you know,
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 4: now they might have won the game, but not seven
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 4: to six. That wouldn't have been the end of the scoring.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I I have trouble getting there.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: But I mean, I know what point you're making.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, I think it's one thing to say he's
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 4: playing chess and again I know the emailers making the
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 4: making a joke, but he's playing chess with checker pieces. Well,
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 4: it's his job to find what those checker pieces, no, no,
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 4: what the checker pieces can do and put them in
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 4: the best position to succeed. Not like well I used
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 4: to put Teddy Bruski here and he did this, But
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 4: Julini Tavai can't do that. Do you know what I mean, Julie,
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 4: I think had a terrific season.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: Evan great from Zappy. Evan Zach is back from Zappy.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: Now Evan is from Maam, Yes, sir, yes, ma'am. What
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: did he say? Yes?
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 4: Serious man like that's that's all I, me and you.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 4: We we stepped all over from That was brilliant. That
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: was that was our bad.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: He kept going.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 4: The ending was the best part. Yes, and were stepping
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 4: on him. I feel bad.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 8: Now, come on, guys, we had so much in the tank.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: He kept going, well, uh.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: ZAPPI said in not so much words, not that it's
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 3: surprising whatsoever, but that he's starting on Thursday.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: He wouldn't be talking you guys. Guess what he was like, like, I.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 3: Would say, you know, I forget, I don't want to
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: put words, I forget the exact phrasing. But he said
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: he was gonna leave it up to Bill to make
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: that announcement, but that you could kind of tell that.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 4: He was like, that would have been funny if you said, yeah,
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 4: I'm starting and then Buill didn't start him.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: Yes, I'm I'm feeling that that the winds are blowing
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: that way sort of response. But I thought that in general.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: Andrew Callahan asked him, like, what were some of the
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 3: positives from the film, and his big positive was procedurally,
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: they were pretty good, like.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 8: They feel like trolling questions.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: Week called the plays right, got out of the huddle,
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: got to.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 4: The we had one delay game and one time out
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 4: we had to take to avoid another.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, those types of things. He said that. You know,
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 3: someone asked him about all the all the ISO deep
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 3: shots to DeVante Parker, and he said that a halftime
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 3: that was an emphasis that they wanted to push the
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 3: ball down the field a little bit more.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 8: Uh, I done, Like, buddy, we scored six points.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: There wasn't too much good. Come on, what are we
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: talking about?
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 9: Well?
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 3: Zero, they scored zero.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: Zero points.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 3: Some of the deep shots to Parker, I thought, and
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 3: I mentioned this in after further review, that a little
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 3: bit of tunnel vision, you know, just kind of I
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: guess he's trying to make a play and trying to
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 3: make something happen, But I thought there were better options elsewhere.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 4: They called a deep shot, and you were the quarterback,
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 4: would you look anywhere but the deep shot, because I
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 4: wouldn't but see that, I guess.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 7: Would run the offense as it is meant to be run.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: Paul, he would go through his progression.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 3: I guess that's like to the issues with what they're
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 3: calling right now, is that like they're just they would
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 3: always argue that unless it's a screen, this is what Bill.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 20: Always there's no intended receiver, but yet he's hitting his
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 20: back foot and he's chucking it to DeVante Parker, so
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 20: obviously he's being told to let's just take a few
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 20: shots here and see what happens sort of thing.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 3: And he's not reading out the rest of the play.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: And I thought it was a good question against Taylor
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: Kyle's and he just said, well, we said at halftime
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: we wanted to take some shots, so we started taking
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: some shots.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: Was he in a good mood? A little?
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 6: You know?
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 3: I think all these Thursdays are tough.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 4: They're tough.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: What was he wearing?
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 3: Patriot hoodie? I don't know which one. I'm not gonna
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 3: steal Deuce his thunder.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: And I think you can't do.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: But I you know, it's a tough week. I think
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 3: guys are energy levels a little down.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: A lot of media there.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 3: Tons of media, really packed house.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: You're kidding me.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 3: I couldn't tell you. I couldn't tell. There wasn't a
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: seat available in the place.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 16: There.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 4: That's it, though, Well, there's only one day, no Celtics.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 3: There's no one day of media availability this week, No Celtics,
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: no Bruins, So I guess everybody.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, off season, all right, all right, So as promised,
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: we're going to do picks today because tomorrow is going
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: to be just Paul and Deuce tomorrow.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 4: I think tomorrow might stop buying.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: But and okay, Evan and I will did did Paul?
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: Okay that uh, Evan and I will be on a
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: bus to Pittsburgh going to the airport. So we figured
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: we get this out of the way today. Callers, though, Paul,
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: what happened last week?
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 4: Let's see last week it was Alex and Evan nine
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 4: and four. Yeah, there you go, Paul and Mike eight
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 4: and five and Fred seven and six. With the spread,
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 4: it was Evan and Paul nine and four, Alex eight
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 4: and five, Mike six and seven, and Fred five and eight.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: Tough.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, season standings, Alex extends your lead by a game
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 4: one twenty five and sixty eight. Paul won twenty and
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 4: seventy three, Evan won eighteen and seventy five, Mike and
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 4: Fred tied at one seventeen and seventy six. That's rough, guys.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 8: Do you think Alex gonna be upset when she finds
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 8: out that the result of all these this.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: Is just all right? You want yeah, moving on, Yeah,
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: no girl holds please? Uh.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 4: Paul leading with the spread ninety eight, eighty seven and eight,
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 4: followed by Alex At ninety five, ninety and eight, Evan
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 4: ninety two, ninety three and eight, Fred ninety one, ninety
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 4: four and eight, and Mike eighty six.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: I'm ninety ninety three and eight. So I'm one game.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: You gotta get above five hundreds, you know, man, college scholars.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: College tuition is on the line.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 4: So that's where we stand.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 8: For who your dog?
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: For future kids?
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 4: Who are your father?
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: All right, We're gonna skip over the Patriots tonight Thursday night.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: I should say, I'm all mixed up Tuesday for Thursday stuff.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: And we'll go to one o'clock on Sunday. The five
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: and seven Bucks are at the six and six.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 4: Falcons, Atlanta by two and a half. Battle for the
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 4: NFC South.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: Where's the lead? Where's the game at Atlanta? Atlanta?
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 7: I'll go with Atlanta. I'm all thrown off, I don't
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 7: know my sheet. I'm gonna go with Atlanta and I'll
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 7: lay the points.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: Please.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 4: Hey, we will get Alex's at another time. So Evan, I'm.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 3: Gonna go Atlanta two at home and I have them
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 3: by three, so it was two and.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 4: A half, right, correct?
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 3: I get the Falcons, Falcons, Falcons.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm having a hard time with the Falcons all year.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 4: But I'm gonna be with the boys here and take
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 4: the Falcons.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the Falcons as well, both ways.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 4: I thought for sure someone would take Tampa. No, probably Alex,
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 4: she's leading.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: The Falcons are the new Lions when it comes to picking,
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: so you can never win with them.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 3: What happened to you and Baker? You guys break up?
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 4: Big win. Last week.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: Sunday at one on Fox, the six and six Rams
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: are at the nine and three Ravens.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 4: Ravens by seven and a half.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, I like that one.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 8: Y'all.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 7: Take the Ravens to win, but I'm gonna take the
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 7: points please for the ROMs.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 3: I like the Ravens and I'm gonna take them both ways.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 3: I think the Ravens are really good.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, coming off the bye too. Yeah, I'm gonna take
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 4: the Ravens and lay the points. With the Rams having
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 4: to come all the way across the country, and I
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 4: think they're just okay. I don't think they're ready for
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 4: the Ravens.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the Ravens, but I will take the points.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 7: Here you go, yep, I don't think you're ready for
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 7: I don't think you're ready for the Raven's not about
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 7: taking the hook.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: Fox Sunday at one nine and three, Lions are at
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: the four.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 4: And eight Bears Detroit by three and a half.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 7: Wow, it's not a very very small Yeah, I think
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 7: it is the Lions. Yeah, I'm gonna just take it
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 7: if it's available.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 8: Lions, layam, Sure that's right, Paul.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 3: Well, the Bears just beat the Lions not too long ago.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 4: Well, they should have beaten the Lions.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: But it's hard to be choking twice in the same
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: They choked it away by giving up two scores in
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: the last five minutes. I checked out in the five minute.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: That's memory. They're gonna win. They But I like the.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 3: Lions both ways in this game. I think that that
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: was a one game type of thing.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I do too, and I will take the Lions
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 4: both ways. But uh, I mean, Detroit is not trending
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 4: in the right direction. They should have lost to Chicago.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 4: They kind of got manhandled by Green Bay. Then they
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 4: almost blew a huge lead against New Orleans so they're
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 4: not playing well.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I got the Chicago and Green Bay games like
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 3: kind of Yeah.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 4: Nine and three is nine and three.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: I will go with the Lions both ways.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 4: I think this one's a layup, So roll on the Lions.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: Seven and five. Colts is Sunday at one at the
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: six and six Bengals coming off a big Monday.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 4: Night win Colts by one.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 7: It's a weird one.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: So Browning is Browning, Nagel gonna be Browning.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 6: Guys.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: Name is Jake Jake Browning. All right, let's go for it.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 7: I'm gonna go Jake Jake Browning Mania I'll take I'll
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 7: think the Bengals and I'll I'll take that point.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 3: I also like the Bengals both ways. I think that
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: they have something brewing with Browning.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, I like that.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 4: I will take the Colts short week the Cincinnati feeling
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 4: good about themselves. Yeah, I think it might be a
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 4: one off.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna go with the Colts as well, just
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: because wrong.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 4: I wish I liked more about the Colts to feel
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 4: good about that pick.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: But Sunday at one, eight and four Jaguars, probably without
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence, are at these seven and five Browns.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 3: Without all their quarterbacks.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I played well, just left.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 4: Browns by one and a half until the end.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: Has pretty some uncertainty there. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: go with the Browns and I'll lay the point I have.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 3: I have a Browns minus three. But maybe the line
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 3: moved because of Trevor Lawrence, but it could be.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 4: I just went this morning and went on DraftKings one
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 4: of the Cleveland by one and a half.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 3: I'm taking the Jaguars, not because I like C. J.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 3: Bethard that much, but I just think that's a really
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 3: good team and they'll kind of rally around the quarterback
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 3: and pick them up and carry him. Here.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 4: Have we heard anything more about Lawrence.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 3: High ankle spring?
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 4: Okay, so I will take Cleveland.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I take Cleveland in their defense at home.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, their defense is ridiculous at home. I agree, Freddy.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: Sunday at one Fox the one at eleven Panthers are
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: at the five and seven.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 4: Saints Nolans by five and a half.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: Panthers, All right, this is your upset pick of the week, folks.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the Panthers.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 4: Though I really am to win outright, to win.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 8: Yep, I'm gonna go with the Panthers.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: Want one overall. I believe it'll will it into.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 8: Assistance so I can take.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: Whatever we're Now we're now picking teams for the Patriots
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 3: to lose. Like you know, before it was like, oh,
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 3: who do we need to lose for the Stadia the
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 3: number one pick or number one you know seed. Now
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 3: we're the number one pick.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 6: I am.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 3: So this might be Jameis Winston for the Saints. Car
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 3: got knocked out of that.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 4: Game concussion and like short amount of yeah.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 3: So I don't think he's playing. I too, am gonna
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 3: take the Carolina Panthers and an upset. And maybe that's
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 3: my heart picking, but it's my head is saying Panthers.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 4: I will take the Saints both ways.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's rare that I can pick an obvious game
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: because others are betting with their heart. Usually it's the
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: other way around. I'm picking the Saints both ways. Uh.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: Sunday at one CBS, the seven and five Texans are
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: at the four and eight.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 4: Jets Houston by six and a half.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: Oh boy.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 7: Uh sounds like trying to go back and going back
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 7: if they can force him back into the game. I
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 7: don't know, not good, hard to take the Jets. I'm
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 7: gonna I'm gonna take the Texans and I will lay
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 7: the points.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 8: Crazy though, So.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 3: The Jets have also signed Brent Rippin Ripens, so he's
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 3: now on.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: Their their relation.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 3: I've heard of Mark. Yeah, right, it's his uncle. Yeah,
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 3: we went back that would be any trick we went
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 3: backwards on.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: That one family. Yeah, wo.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 3: Mark Rippon. I don't know why it's so weird.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: Somebody tell me, I forget what that sudden We've gone
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: to Appalachia.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 3: I am taking the Texans here, but I'm going to
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 3: take the Jets to cover. I think their defense keeps
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 3: it close.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 4: I agree with Evan. I think the Jets. If I
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 4: hate to say this, but Zach Wilson played last week,
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 4: they probably would have won. I will take the Texans
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 4: to win the game somehow, but I'll take the six
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 4: and a half.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: A good reason to watch this game is just to
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: see how CJ. Stroud does against this really good defense
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: against the Jets. I'm going to go with the Texans
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: to cover in this game.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 4: So there, Why do you like? Why is it personal
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 4: affront every time you make a pick?
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: So there?
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 4: That one in your pocket. What you said, not the pick? Yeah,
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 4: Mike picked the same thing as you.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: I'm not. I just think, you know, how are these
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: young guys doing? And you want to see them tested? Yeah?
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: We'll get to Uh okay, let's it for the one
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: one o'clock games four oh five, of which there are two,
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: six and six Vikings are at the five and seven Raiders.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 4: Uh Minnesota by three. Man, So we got one, two, three, four, four,
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 4: four o'clock four.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: In the late afternoons. Be living your best life?
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 7: Pause?
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: So you know me?
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 6: So?
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: Well? Guy?
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 4: How many are there four games? We're going quad box.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 7: I'm getting a little bit of a Spider Man meme
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 7: on this game here, Vikings Raiders, and I'm gonna say the.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 4: Number three Minnesota by three.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: God, this tough teams.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 8: I'm gonna go with the Raiders. I'll go with the
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 8: Raiders at home with the upset.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know why.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 4: I'm surprised one's talked about this spread like that spread
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 4: seems weird to me.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 3: I just I do both these teams think. I don't know,
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 3: I'm going Raiders at home just because they're at home.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna do the same thing as Mike and
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 4: Evan for the same reason. Evan just said, I just
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 4: think it's two kind of struggling teams and the home
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 4: team is getting three points. I think it's weird.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: But are the Raiders ever home?
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 4: That could be too. Maybe they look at it as
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 4: they don't really have much of it. Maybe that's it
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 4: this Minnesota travel.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: Though, I don't know, it's not really anything to get
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: out of Minnesota.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 4: That's not really a lot a lot of renbistential questions
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 4: going on, like Dallas to Indiana just to get out
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 4: of it. Who would have thunk Detroit turned into one
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 4: of those teams, right, Yeah, that's true. But anyway, we
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 4: all have Vegas.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: What do you got, Freddie City, they can drive Raiders.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: Raiders four tells me that's gonna be one we go. Yeah,
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: oh and four, four or five, six and six. Seahawks
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: are at the nine and three forty nine.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 4: Ers Niners by ten and a half.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: Oh boy, yeah, I'm gonna every single one of those
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: ten and a half points.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 3: I still don't know what that means.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 8: They're they're really good.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 4: For laying the point. Yeah, I means you're taking the favorite.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: Okay, thanks, Thanks for that clarification.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, sometimes he just says it, which I'm like, which
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 4: side is this?
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 3: And so the Niners just blew out the Seahawks. But
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 3: I watched that game and it didn't get to a
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 3: blowout stage until late in the game. Uh, still taking
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 3: the forty nine ers both ways, So I just think
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 3: that they're a wagon.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 4: San Francisco tends to do that though. They just wear
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 4: on you and by the end they.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 3: Getting in the playoff game last year too, against the Seahawks,
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 3: they warmed down.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 4: He did the same thing to Dallas. Yeah, like that
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 4: Dallas playoff game last year was a lot closer than
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 4: the score. I'm gonna I'm gonna do the same thing.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 4: I was tempted to take the points. I just don't
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 4: think Seattle's very good. I don't think they have the pushback.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 4: We'll see.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a tough game running up the flat pole.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm gonna go with the last one.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 4: I have no idea what he's going to happen.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna direction. What do you think I'm gonna pick
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: on this one.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 4: I think you're gonna take San Francisco, but you're gonna
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 4: take the points.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: You're right, You're right. No, this is the type of
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: game Pete Carroll gets his team up.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think I do think that NFC West thing.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 4: I think the Seattle own owning San Francisco is part
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 4: of that. I just think that there's too big of
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 4: a gap between the teams now.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: Right, But that's a big spread for this type of game.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: So Seahawks have been playing tough, so I will take
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: them to cover, but not win. Four, five, six, and
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: six Bills. This is the Anderson window game because the
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: windows closing.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 4: Oh, I see what you did that.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Bills.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 4: I think the Chiefs have plenty left.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: Bills are at the eight and four Chiefs.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 4: Kansas City by two and a half, the vulnerable Chiefs.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 8: God, I just I can't.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 7: I mean, I like to say I think Buffalo catches
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 7: Kansas City on and off night and and kind of
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 7: pulls out a win that they need. But I just
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 7: can't pick against Mahomes. Evan laid it out. He's the
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 7: best player in the league right now.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 3: Chiefs, why do you want never mind? Why do you
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 3: want Buffalo to win?
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: I know, I don't.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 4: I just well, like Buffalo's done.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 7: I just think it'd be more interesting if they kind
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 7: of make a final push here and show something here
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 7: at the end.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 3: But okay, fair enough, I'm going to take the Chiefs
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 3: both ways. I'm gonna assume in this pick that Taylor
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 3: Swift is going to be in attendance, and he always
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 3: plays better when she's there.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 4: So the last game last week, I will take Buffalo
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 4: because I think in the regular season Buffalo has controlled
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 4: Kansas City and the playoffs been a different story.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 3: Was that that game last week? Yeah, they barely showed her.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 4: On the TV, showed her walking in with Brittany.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 3: I guess maybe they finally have realized that it's a
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 3: little overplayed and stop playing what.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: They even announced it before the game, and Taylor is in,
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: you know, in attendance. I think NBC has something going
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: on with her, you know, in terms of some business deal.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 4: But that sounded on tooled.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: Peacock.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 4: There's a peacock loosing peabody yesterday. You see that, Yuess,
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 4: someone has a pet peak pety peacock. Wow, it got
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 4: loose on Route one.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 8: Oh jeez, is a peacock.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's don't worry about it.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 4: I'm sure they shut it down.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 3: Human walking, just like.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: I'll take the Chiefs both ways.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they probably won't lose two in a row.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: Four twenty five CBS. The six and six Broncos are
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: at the five and seven Chargers.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 4: The Black by three.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: Oh surprised a little on that.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 7: Uh No, I think these are two pretty to Midland teams.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 8: Yeah, evenly matched kind of teams.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 4: Five and seven, six and six.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: The crowd will be half and half, right, it's not,
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: it's not.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 4: It'll probably be more for Denver.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know a couple of Denver fans out
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: there to you.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 4: Now, La John, Denver, John, I'm for breakfast. I'm gonna
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 4: take the Chargers Roads Chargers for Mike I do.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: I like I like that Herbert.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 4: I like that Herbert. I like the cut of his jib.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 14: Uh.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna take the Broncos. I picked them last week,
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 3: I think last two and I didn't get that one correct.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 4: We should have. Yeah, they would poist a score at
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 4: the end and Russell Wilson threw a pick.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 3: No, I'm just gonna take the Broncos because I just
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 3: watched the Chargers offense score six points and I like
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 3: the Broncos defense, so I'm gonna take the Broncos.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 4: Oh, I wrote the wrong thing down for you. I
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 4: am going to take the LAC with Mike. I think Denver.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 4: I think that they're a product of those turnovers that
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 4: they create, and I just think it's a hard way
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 4: to play now San Diego, the Chargers could turn that over,
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 4: make it easy for him, But I'll take the lack.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: I am gonna go with the Broncos to win this game.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: They're not I know, doesn't know that, and they're upset
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: about that. They're very upset that they're making them play
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: a road game, especially in December.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 4: I think they sent one of those letters to the league.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, No, A lot of teams, in all honesty,
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: a lot of teams did complain about the scheduling for
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: the Broncos.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 4: That they get an unfair advantage, that they have too
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 4: many home games.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, well they definitely got an unfair advantage on Christmas,
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 3: just like you couldn't make the Broncos go on the
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 3: road on Christmas, God forbid.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you know, if you're going to say,
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: oh Christmas Eve, Broncos playing a home and away, there's
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: no question they're going to play home that's just the
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: way they do it. Yep, I thought of it. I
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: thought of that. Do you have a kiss for Ferris Bueller?
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 4: That was where it was from my Fris Bueller.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: Their family in their family right right?
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: Good? Good? Due? Okay, we no, I just thought of it. Okay,
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: eight twenty Sunday night, and for sure the ten and
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: two Eagles are at the nine and.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 4: Three Cowboys Dallas by three and a half.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 7: Good game, I okay, I'm going with Dak.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 8: Sorry for yelling. I'm gonna take the Cowboys at home.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: I think we're gonna see a little little mini slump
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: here for the Eagles.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 3: I I think I picked the Eagles last week, which
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 3: I shouldn't have done. That was a bad pick on
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 3: my part because they la.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: You weren't alone.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 3: This guy he was like the reason why you were
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 3: all over it. And the Eagles I have played a
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 3: lot of one score games. They haven't really been great.
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 3: And in this game, I'm I'm gonna take Dallas for
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 3: for that reason. I just think that until we see
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 3: the Eagles play a really good team and the Bills
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 3: are not included in that and and win handedly, I
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 3: think these games are gonna be close.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, without help, I would say as well. I am
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 4: going to take Dallas. They made a big stink out
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 4: of that spread last week. Was disrespectful to the Eagles,
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 4: like they went from one point favorites to three point
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 4: underdogs and they were all up. And this spread, to me,
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 4: is more disrespectful to Philadelphia who has sort of run
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 4: that division, you know, with Jalen Hurts, and they're underdogs
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 4: by three and a half. I'm going to take the hook.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 4: I think Dallas will win the game, but I think
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 4: they win by a field goal.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. I love seeing the Cowboys lose, but
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: I just something's going on with the Eagles. I think
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: they've kind of lived on the edge and I think
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: they're going to get a little come upp and coming down.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 4: Yea MVP caliber over the last couple of months.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: It's all about the cadence. Yeah, I'll take the Cowboys,
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: but not to cover doubleheader on Monday. Why is that,
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 4: Because you see they scheduled two games on Monday, they
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 4: start at the same time.
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: This is all because the Broncos are playing at home.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: It screws everything up here.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 4: Can you to be your favorite and look up Christmas
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 4: last year, I think Broncos and Rams played. Can you
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 4: tell me where that game was playing?
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: Well, what do you have to like?
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 4: I just think it's ridiculous that they made in all
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 4: seriousness that was a shot at you. But in all
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 4: seriousness they make in dn't replay on Christmas Eve Night
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 4: last year? I think they played on Christmas Day. It
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 4: was like the only game on Christmas Day. Do they
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 4: have to play games like on Christmas Eve Night and
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 4: Christmas Day?
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: They don't?
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 3: Thanks Paul, I appreciate.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 4: I think it's silly.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: So eight point fifteen on ESPN, ESPN two, ESPN Deportes.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 4: ESPN eight throughout the Apple.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: This is interesting. Four and eight Titans are at the
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: nine and three Dolphins. What's interesting that both of these
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: games are owned by ABC.
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 4: OH Miami by thirteen and a half ah, and.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: The Titans fired their special teams coordinator.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 4: By the way, is going to pick the Getting getting
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 4: two punts blocked for touchdowns was the final straw.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 7: I had to go look and say, what does it take?
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: What does it take?
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 8: That's what it takes.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: Okay, he's about he about to take the Titans.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 8: I'm not taking the tight No.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 4: I always at least taken that away that.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 7: That ship has sailed. I can't be foolish, especially Miami
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 7: at home. I'll take Miami. I will lay all fourteen
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 7: of those points.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 3: That means he's not taking the Titans.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: I did not.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 3: I'm going to take the Dolphins, and I am going
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 3: to take them both ways as well.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I thought about taking the points because it is
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 4: a lot, but I can't do it Miami both ways.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna take Miami both ways as well. Now,
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: the next game is also on ABC and ESPN plus
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: it's the five and six pack. Six and six packers
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: are at the four and eight Giants. But here's my question.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: So the first game is on ESPN and ESPN two,
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: why not put one game on ESPN and the other
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: game on ESPN two rather than do all this hodgepotch
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: for one and why not put both of them on ESPNL.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 4: This year, all the Monday night games have been on ABC.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 4: And I don't know this for sure, but some and
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 4: explained it to me that it was because of the strike,
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 4: the writers strike, so that they wanted to They figured,
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 4: we'll just put these games on ABC because we don't
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 4: have original programming.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: Right, But why why put the same game, which is
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: the Titans and Dolphins on ESPN and ESPN two.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 4: So my guess is one of those will be the
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 4: Manning cast.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: Oh maybe, okay, well they should say that. I don't.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 4: I don't know that. That's a guess.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 3: That's maybe that is Usually they stagger the start times.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: Then yeah they don't.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I liked that they didn't stagger because now it
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 4: allows me to watch it like I do the red zone.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: I'd like it if they both started at seven.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 4: Red zone is completely ruined football watching for me.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 3: Well, that's my question is like, is Scot going to
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 3: be at the desk on Monday night and have both We.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 4: Won't have to worry about the last game standing.
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 3: I would love that.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: All right, six and six Packers at the four and
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: eight Giants.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 4: Queen Bay suddenly red hot by six and a half.
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Packer fans are feeling that.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 3: They're feeling the love.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 8: We uh we were there this summer. We saw this team.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 4: Is time to beatle playing again because I know Tyrod
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 4: Taylor is eligible to return.
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 3: I think he is. I think I think we got
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 3: chicken cutlets again.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm going to take the Packers, and I'm gonna
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 8: lay the points.
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 3: I'm going to take the Packers both ways as well.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 3: I think that Jordan Love I he's I wanted to
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 3: like Jordan Love from the Summerduce and then he played
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 3: poorly to start the season, but now he's starting to
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 3: come around, and I think I'm all over the place
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 3: with Jordan Love.
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 4: I don't know if I like him. When the guy
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 4: plays eight games, that's not the end of his career.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: I just don't know what to think about.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm back in.
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: He's told me back.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 7: I felt sporadic when we were there, Like he would
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 7: make some throws like whoa, and then he would have
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 7: some brain farts.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: But part of the process.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 4: I'm going to take Green Bay, but I'm going to
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 4: take the six and a half. Okay, Monday night game
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 4: MetLife Stadium. They've played a little better, They've showed some giants. Yeah,
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 4: they've They've won a couple in a row. They had
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 4: to buy. I think they keep it close.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, one of those was Patriots, but anyway, I left
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: that part out. Yeah, I'm going to call the Felger fact.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the Packers both ways, all right,
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: now we go back to Thursday, way back, do we
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: have to? Thursday eight fifteen on Prime video? H two
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: and ten Patriots are at the seven and five Steeler.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna imagine Mitchell Trubisky is your quarterback? Yes, yes, correct?
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 4: The Steelers by six six?
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 8: Yeah, that's enough.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: I'm nothing.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 7: Now I'm gonna take the Steelers. I just I think
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 7: they've got, you know, a slightly better quarterback.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 8: For what it's worth, They've got t J.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 7: Watt, They've got just more talent and you know, just
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 7: on the road, tough spot to play. I will so
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 7: I will take the Steelers. I will lay the points
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 7: and my score is twenty six.
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 3: How sad is it that you just said that they
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 3: have the better quarterback when Mitchell Trubisky is the quarterback
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 3: for the Pittsburgh Steelers. I look at this game from
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 3: the Patriots offense, and I can Bill O'Brien like earn
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 3: his paycheck this week? Can we do that? Because the
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 3: Steelers defense really highly rated, got a lot of really
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 3: good play, really really predictable scheme like they run what
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 3: they run they always have under Tomlin. It's different from
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 3: what they used to do, but it's still the same.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 3: You know what you're gonna get on game day? Can
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 3: we have a game plan where we get some open
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 3: guys and get ZAPPI go in a little bit. I
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 3: still say no, but it would be nice to see
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 3: the offensive coordinator that you brought in with thirty years
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 3: of experience do his job at a high level. I
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 3: worry about the Steelers defensive line.
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  Speaker 4: TJ.
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  Speaker 3: Walla was a little banged up in that game, but
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  Speaker 3: I think he's gonna be all right, and that defensive
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  Speaker 3: line should take this game over for Pittsburgh. I have
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  Speaker 3: thirteen to six and another terrible Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I have a similar kind of game, low scoring. I
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  Speaker 4: don't know how you can pick otherwise. The over under Mike,
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  Speaker 4: we remember thirty one and a half. It's like the
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  Speaker 4: lowest I can ever remember seeing in all my days
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  Speaker 4: high Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That's higher than Iowa Michigan.
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  Speaker 4: This is just two offenses that have really struggled. I'm
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  Speaker 4: gonna take Pittsburgh to win short week at home. I
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  Speaker 4: do agree with Mike. I think they have at least
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  Speaker 4: some pieces on offense to be a little bit better,
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  Speaker 4: and that's the difference. A lot of field goals sixteen to.
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  Speaker 1: Nine, seven hundred percent improvement for the Patriots this week.
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  Speaker 1: But they lose sixteen to seven.
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  Speaker 7: Well, this is Thant seven hundred percent of zero still.
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  Speaker 4: Zero, Dace, leave him alone. He's on a roll.
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  Speaker 1: Come I get it. Sixteen to seven? Yeah, unfortunately, touchdown?
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  Speaker 8: What's a touchdown?
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  Speaker 4: Mike?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna get a touchdown. And I'm telling you
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  Speaker 1: right now, Big Bold.
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  Speaker 8: I honestly like I might not to spoil my key,
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  Speaker 8: uh defensive score, Like I.
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  Speaker 4: Just gonna say, who scores it? Dougar.
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  Speaker 8: I'd love to see the defense score.
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  Speaker 7: I feel like they would be so fired up, like
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  Speaker 7: after all this and how much they'd like, you know,
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  Speaker 7: the offense like we today before you.
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  Speaker 1: What if they what if they scored touchdown and dug
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 1: Or handed the ball to Bailey's at He's like, that's
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: how it's.
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  Speaker 21: Done, before Brandon Schooler gives the ball to Bailey's It's
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 21: we didn't get the because I realized there's a one
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 21: minute left. But this is something that I thought that
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  Speaker 21: you would agree with me, Paul. The very first thing
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 21: that Bill Belichick says on Sunday postgame press conference, go Ahead,
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  Speaker 21: says they lost the game because they didn't play complimentary football,
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 21: and they didn't get the field position that they but
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 21: but they moved the ball.
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  Speaker 4: It was noted in post game and fifty yards moving
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  Speaker 4: the ball.
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  Speaker 3: And then he sits there and he blames the defense
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 3: and the special teams for not winning field position and
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 3: that is why you lost the game.
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  Speaker 1: Get him out of here, Oh boy, wow, out of here?
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  Speaker 1: All right, Mike drop by Evan. All right, that's it
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