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Dragnet: The Big Crazy (EP4839) · The Great Detectives Present Dragnet (Old Time Radio)

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  Speaker 1: August thirtieth, nineteen fifty, here is the Big Crazy.
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  Speaker 2: The story you were about to hear is true, only
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  Speaker 2: the names have been changed to protect the innocent. You're
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  Speaker 2: a detective sergeant. You're assigned to homicide detail. Thirty year
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  Speaker 2: old woman is missing. Three months passed before a disappearance
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  Speaker 2: is reported. There's not a trace of the woman. No
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  Speaker 2: leed to were whereabouts? Your job find her.
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  Speaker 3: Drag met the documented drama of an actual crime. While
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  Speaker 3: the next thirty minutes, in cooperation with the Los Angeles
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  Speaker 3: side of the law through an actual case transcribed from
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  Speaker 3: official police fiolence, from beginning to end, from crime to punishment.
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  Speaker 4: Dragnet is the story of your police.
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  Speaker 5: Force in action. It was Monday, June. Night was warm
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  Speaker 5: in Los Angeles. We were working a day watch out
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  Speaker 5: of homicide detail. My partner's Ben Romero, the boss of
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  Speaker 5: Stad Brown, chief of Detectives.
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  Speaker 4: My name's Friday.
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  Speaker 5: I was on the way back from the Stat's office
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  Speaker 5: and it was ten eighteen am when I got to
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  Speaker 5: room forty two on a side.
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  Speaker 6: Hi you, Joe, I've been waiting for you. Hi, ma'am,
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  Speaker 6: I'd like to have you meet my partner, Sergeant Friday.
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  Speaker 4: Joe.
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  Speaker 6: This is miss Daily, Ruth Day.
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  Speaker 7: How do you do?
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  Speaker 4: Oh?
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  Speaker 8: Yes, Daily came in to find a missing report and
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  Speaker 8: her sister, Joe. She already talked to missing persons and
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  Speaker 8: they stand around to see. Yes, Oh, I have a
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  Speaker 8: chair man, thank you.
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  Speaker 4: Well, what's it all about? Miss?
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  Speaker 7: I just started to tell Sergeant Ramere is, ma'am, I'm sorry, Ramero. Well,
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  Speaker 7: it's about my sister, Bernice, Sergeant. She's missing. I wondered
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  Speaker 7: if maybe you people could help me find her.
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  Speaker 4: Or what's your sister's name, Bernice?
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  Speaker 7: I guess you want a married name, missus James Butler.
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  Speaker 7: Her description would be just about the way I look Bernice.
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  Speaker 4: Now a twin m where's your sister disappear? Lived in March?
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  Speaker 7: The first weekend in March. She disappeared on a Saturday.
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  Speaker 5: Well that's three months ago, miss Daily. How is it
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  Speaker 5: this wasn't reported sooner?
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  Speaker 7: Was anotter effect. I halfway expected her husband to report it.
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  Speaker 7: I talked to him about it when Bernice was gone
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  Speaker 7: two weeks. He didn't seem too worried.
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  Speaker 6: Is there any reason for him not to worry?
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  Speaker 7: Well, there is no way. You see, Bernice has gone
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  Speaker 7: off before. About a year ago. She picked up mont
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  Speaker 7: to Arizona without telling anybody. When she came back, she
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  Speaker 7: said she just wanted to get away for a while.
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  Speaker 7: She didn't want to be around here.
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  Speaker 4: Well how long did she stay away that time?
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  Speaker 7: Almost a month?
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  Speaker 4: Well, how about your sister's married life? She get along
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  Speaker 4: with her husband.
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  Speaker 7: All right, Well, first five years they were married, it
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  Speaker 7: worked all right. Then it sort of turned sour. I
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  Speaker 7: don't know what happened. They used to be happy.
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  Speaker 4: What was the trouble? Do you know?
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  Speaker 7: That's funny part. I don't wouldn't even know who to
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  Speaker 7: blame for, Jimmy or Bernice. Both of 'em started drinking
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  Speaker 7: a lot pretty heavy seeing me. Around that time, Jimmy
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  Speaker 7: began to get a little funny.
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  Speaker 6: H See, has he ever been violent towards your sister,
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  Speaker 6: miss Dale Emmy? Has he struck her or anything like that?
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  Speaker 1: Oh?
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  Speaker 7: No, really, Jimmy's kind of a milk toast character, timid,
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  Speaker 7: skinny most of the time, afraid to say boo. Yesterday
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  Speaker 7: I went over to the house to visit Jimmy. I
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  Speaker 7: tried to make a conversation. He just sat in his
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  Speaker 7: chair reading a book. Every time I mentioned Bernice, he'd
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  Speaker 7: kind of look up and growl at me.
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  Speaker 4: I got sick of it.
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  Speaker 7: I put on my coat and started for the door.
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  Speaker 4: He followed me, Mmm, did you say anything at all?
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  Speaker 7: Yes. When I opened the door, I he turned around
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  Speaker 7: say goodbye. We had this real horrible look on his face.
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  Speaker 7: He said it right out loud by his days. He said,
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  Speaker 7: you'd be surprised if I killed her, wouldn't you? You'd
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  Speaker 7: be surprised.
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  Speaker 5: Ten am we finished taking a complete statement from Ruth
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  Speaker 5: Dailey regarding the disappearance of her married sister Bernice Butler.
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  Speaker 5: Before she left, we got the business address of her
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  Speaker 5: brother in law, A broadcast and a missing bulletin was
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  Speaker 5: gotten out, and then Ben and I drove Crosstown to
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  Speaker 5: have a talk with a husband of the missing woman,
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  Speaker 5: James Butler. We located him at work in a job
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  Speaker 5: printing shop on South Vermont, where he was employed as
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  Speaker 5: a journeyman printer.
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  Speaker 4: He was in his early thirties, thin blonde hair.
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  Speaker 5: Light complexion, about five foot seven, one hundred and twenty
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  Speaker 5: five pounds. He wore a pair of rimless glasses. Ben
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  Speaker 5: and I introduced ourselves and began to interview him. He
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  Speaker 5: was close, moud, and not too cooperative. Seemed to resent
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  Speaker 5: every question we asked him. While we talked, he worked
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  Speaker 5: over a paper cutting machine.
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  Speaker 8: To admit, it's a little out of the ordinary, mister Buddery,
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  Speaker 8: your wife missing three months, and you actually act he's
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  Speaker 8: been going three hours?
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  Speaker 6: Did you hear me? Butler?
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  Speaker 4: I heard you.
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  Speaker 6: What about it?
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  Speaker 9: Just a minute? Well, you know it's not ordinary or
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  Speaker 9: going away. I'm married to her.
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  Speaker 4: I know my own wife.
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  Speaker 5: We talked to your wife's sister this morning, Ruth Daily.
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  Speaker 5: She seems to think you might know all about your
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  Speaker 5: wife disappearing.
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  Speaker 4: He does. That's right in my way. I got to
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  Speaker 4: get that other side of cards.
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  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, what do you think.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. There's something wrong with him.
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  Speaker 6: She's got a big grudge for somebody here.
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  Speaker 4: Say wonder what that girl meant?
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  Speaker 6: What she called him?
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  Speaker 8: Bashful and about as bashful as a wild born a plumb.
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  Speaker 4: Thinking in my way, I gotta get in there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: go ahead. I haven't got any spad time to talk.
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  Speaker 4: I have to get this order out. I'll only take
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  Speaker 4: a few minutes, if you'll be good enough to offer her.
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  Speaker 4: I haven't got the time, and so it's almost your
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  Speaker 4: lunch hour. Is it's supposed to talk?
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  Speaker 10: Then?
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  Speaker 4: Got no time then either? Why don't you talk to Ruth?
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  Speaker 4: She seems to know. Well, let's about enough of this list.
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  Speaker 4: We ask you civil questions.
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  Speaker 5: We expect civil answers if you think this is an
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  Speaker 5: important change your mind. Your wife's been gone for three months.
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  Speaker 5: Nobody's seen or heard from her. It's all right, job
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  Speaker 5: to check it.
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  Speaker 4: Now. You can talk to us here downtown. You take
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  Speaker 4: your pick. I have to finish up this batch first.
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  Speaker 4: We can talk about in the alley and back. I
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  Speaker 4: want everybody knowing my business. That's fine with us. You
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  Speaker 4: do what you have to do. We'll wait for you.
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  Speaker 6: Who is aching in an argument?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? Well, what his big trouble is?
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  Speaker 6: Maybe a hangover? Once you don't use that. There could
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  Speaker 6: be he.
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  Speaker 8: Had something to do with his wife's disappearing, and think
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  Speaker 8: you'd try to cover what he's acting.
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  Speaker 6: He didn't seem to camill leave me.
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  Speaker 4: Now, let's see what kind of a story is gotting. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: it's this way out back and go ahead. Yeah, what's
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  Speaker 4: a big deal? Have you ever been arrested? Butler?
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  Speaker 9: Oh?
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  Speaker 4: Almost couple of times. They couldn't get me.
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  Speaker 6: What kind of trouble were you in?
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  Speaker 4: He said, they didn't get me. I'm not gonna put
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  Speaker 4: myself in out of water. But to find out how
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  Speaker 4: your wife was before she disappeared.
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  Speaker 5: Do you know of any reason why she'd go off
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  Speaker 5: the way she did, any reason why she'd stay away
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  Speaker 5: three months.
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  Speaker 4: Without any word?
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  Speaker 10: No?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know any rasons about your relatives, your friends.
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  Speaker 4: You check to see if she might be with one
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  Speaker 4: of them. I'd call if she was. You never checked
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  Speaker 4: with him. Oh, I think, Ruth.
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  Speaker 6: Did you have any big arguments with your wife, Butler?
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  Speaker 6: Other times you disappeared?
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  Speaker 4: I mean we had them all the time. She bothered me,
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  Speaker 4: she was too fresh. Beat it out of her that too.
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  Speaker 4: You got to give me a little freedom. Me thinking
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  Speaker 4: can take over. Nag didn't tell you what to do,
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  Speaker 4: what not to do, sick of We'd like a straight
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  Speaker 4: answer here, Butler. Did you want your wife out of
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  Speaker 4: the way? What do you mean by that? I mean,
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  Speaker 4: do you know why she's missing? There'd be a lot
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  Speaker 4: of reasons, right, no one.
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  Speaker 6: Did you kill your wife, Butler?
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  Speaker 4: It'd be silly to tell you that, wouldn't they?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, did you kill her?
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  Speaker 4: I mean one way, I'll say yes to that. You know,
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  Speaker 4: would you prove it?
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  Speaker 6: Well?
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  Speaker 4: It wasn't easy to understand from the way it started.
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  Speaker 4: Our interview with James Butler would get us nothing.
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  Speaker 5: We had no evidence against him, nothing to indicate definitely
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  Speaker 5: that his.
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  Speaker 4: Wife had met foul play, nothing but.
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  Speaker 5: A suspicious remark. He was supposed to have made to
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  Speaker 5: his sister in law, Ruth Daley.
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  Speaker 4: But once we'd left the print shop and got out
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  Speaker 4: in the back alley where he couldn't be overheard, he
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  Speaker 4: was full of information.
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  Speaker 5: Besides telling us that he beat his wife, Butler also
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  Speaker 5: admitted that he'd threatened her life on several occasions, twice
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  Speaker 5: in the presence of friends.
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  Speaker 4: He seemed to take some kind of a peculiar pride
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  Speaker 4: in admitting how violent he'd been with his wife.
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  Speaker 5: Ben and I took him downtown, questioned him further, and
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  Speaker 5: listened to him talk. He made veiled hints that he'd
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  Speaker 5: been involved in various criminal activities in this country and
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  Speaker 5: also in Europe, that he was a close friend with
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  Speaker 5: half a dozen notorious Underworld gang leaders, That he was
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  Speaker 5: ruthless and clever enough to dispose of his wife if
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  Speaker 5: he wanted to and still avoid prosecution. While we were talking,
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  Speaker 5: Ben had James Butler's name and description double checked to
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  Speaker 5: the Record Bureau files. There was no previous criminal record
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  Speaker 5: listed for him, as far as we knew. At no
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  Speaker 5: time had he even been held under suspicion in a
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  Speaker 5: criminal investigation. The next day, together with Brian and Lopez
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  Speaker 5: from homicide. Ben and I made the rounds of mister
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  Speaker 5: miss Butler's frien and relatives and neighbors. Four twenty five
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  Speaker 5: pm we got back to the office. Oh hi and
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  Speaker 5: open my Ben, Joe, what's doing nothing great?
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  Speaker 4: How'd you two make out?
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  Speaker 11: It's a funny setup. To me, I'd say the guy's
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  Speaker 11: are phony. Everybody we talk to, everybody who knows Butler,
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  Speaker 11: they all say the same thing. That's that I was
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  Speaker 11: afraid of his own shadow. He's a milk toast, nothing
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  Speaker 11: to him. What'd you get about the same?
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  Speaker 5: Every housewife around the neighborhood out where they live, they
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  Speaker 5: all told us the same thing.
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  Speaker 9: The guy's a hen packed husband. His wife laid down
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  Speaker 9: the laws and he follows him psycho. Okay, it must be.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know how else to explain it.
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  Speaker 8: Every time I asked one of their friends if Butler
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  Speaker 8: beat up his wife, they laughed in my face, said
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  Speaker 8: he wouldn't even dair case his check on. Beaty had
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  Speaker 8: to bring it home. If anybody got beat up and
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  Speaker 8: must have been him. Yeah, he sure tells a great story.
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  Speaker 8: He could make you believe he was a blue bed.
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  Speaker 6: Did you get any different answers? It's all over.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah one, maybe you want me take a look.
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  Speaker 6: Uh, let's see. Yeah here, Uh missus Irene.
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  Speaker 11: Brady, she's an Animassus Butler.
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  Speaker 6: Uh huh.
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  Speaker 11: She said the same thing about Butler, about him being
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  Speaker 11: a real mouse and all. And she told us about
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  Speaker 11: the dizzy things have been doing the last couple of years.
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  Speaker 4: You know what was that?
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  Speaker 6: Four or five times?
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  Speaker 7: She said?
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  Speaker 11: He just went out looking for trouble, go in a
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  Speaker 11: neighborhood bar and saw some big steved or he get
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  Speaker 11: his face pushed in.
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  Speaker 4: He always picked big guys. Didn't see the mind getting
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  Speaker 4: beat up as long as he couldn't sell them.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, not much dot. I guess the guy's ready for
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  Speaker 6: the net for him.
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  Speaker 4: Apparently he's got a.
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  Speaker 5: Big beef with people who push him around. Maybe figured
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  Speaker 5: if he could take care of just one of those people,
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  Speaker 5: he could even up the score. What do you mean, Joe, Well,
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  Speaker 5: missus Butler. The wife, she's probably the one who gave
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  Speaker 5: him the worst time.
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  Speaker 4: He's a little bit off metally. That had make him
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  Speaker 4: capable of.
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  Speaker 6: Murder when he couldn't be. Yeah, maybe the wife poured
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  Speaker 6: it on. He was wrong, wrote him do it crazy
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  Speaker 6: as a cook. That too many movies, mystery book, I
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  Speaker 6: got it. I was side from now. Oh, yes, man,
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  Speaker 6: how's that now? When was that? Yes, ma'am, yes as
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  Speaker 6: we can.
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  Speaker 4: But that daddy wasn't.
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  Speaker 8: That was a sister in law, Ruth Daily just told
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  Speaker 8: me she's part of if Butler murdered his wife?
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  Speaker 6: And what makes you think sure? Number one?
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  Speaker 5: She says, Butler told her so, he admitted it to
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  Speaker 5: her last night. It doesn't hold anymore water, And the
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  Speaker 5: rest of his stories I don't know.
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  Speaker 8: And any girl says she spotted if she's got the
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  Speaker 8: evidence to prove it, what's a murder weapon?
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  Speaker 6: Bloodstains all over?
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  Speaker 4: Four forty five PM.
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  Speaker 5: Then and I got in the car and drove out
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  Speaker 5: to the home of mister and Missus Butler, where we
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  Speaker 5: found the missing woman's sister waiting for us on the
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  Speaker 5: front stairs. She told her she'd been doing some kind
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  Speaker 5: of checking of her own through the house that afternoon,
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  Speaker 5: and going over the attic, she said she'd found a
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  Speaker 5: claw hammer hidden under a loose board in the attic floor.
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  Speaker 4: She said the.
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  Speaker 5: Hammer was covered with what appeared to be dry bloodstains.
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  Speaker 4: She took us inside, up the stairs to the attic.
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  Speaker 7: Capul of the steps officers know how it's getting ready
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  Speaker 7: to fall apart?
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  Speaker 6: Watch your step here?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm all right, go ahead.
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  Speaker 7: Light couldn't right. That's how I happened to see the
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  Speaker 7: loose boards over here?
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  Speaker 4: Did you pick up the hammer, miss day A?
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  Speaker 7: Here? No? I started too, but then I remembered about
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  Speaker 7: fingerprints and things just where I found it. Didn't touch it.
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  Speaker 6: You want a pencil, Jill, Maybe you can get it
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  Speaker 6: claw there?
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  Speaker 4: No, I think we can see it right where it is,
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  Speaker 4: and see, uh.
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  Speaker 6: Couldn't be oh bloodstained? Well, it sure looks like it
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  Speaker 6: from the handle here all over the head of the hammer.
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  Speaker 7: I knew it. I knew there was something wrong the
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  Speaker 7: day she disappeared.
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  Speaker 6: He looked at this, Joe, I just noticed these stains
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  Speaker 6: on the floor, whole trail of me. See, they'd right
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  Speaker 6: for the door we met.
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  Speaker 5: A got the crime lab on, and A have Lee
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  Speaker 5: Jones on the benzadine test on him. What time does
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  Speaker 5: he easily get home from work, miss Dailier by the
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  Speaker 5: more about six o'clock.
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  Speaker 7: Don't know about today though?
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  Speaker 6: How do he means he worked late on Tuesday?
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  Speaker 7: No? But I wanted to make sure he wouldn't be
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  Speaker 7: home when I came over today. I called the print
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  Speaker 7: shop where he works. He's not there. Called again this afternoon.
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  Speaker 7: Jimmy hasn't been seen since last night.
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  Speaker 4: M he in the habit of skipping work.
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  Speaker 7: No, it never does. I called every one of his friends.
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  Speaker 7: I know of Bernice's friends too, I call them places
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  Speaker 7: he hangs around. Nobody's seen him nut since last night.
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  Speaker 4: Since you talked to him, you've got no idea where
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  Speaker 4: he might be.
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  Speaker 7: No, just like Bernice, he disappeared.
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  Speaker 3: You're in the statistician's office of a metropolitan police department.
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  Speaker 6: Have you made the run on this one?
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  Speaker 3: Five seven and sixty pounds suspect, his left handed operates
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  Speaker 3: on foot.
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  Speaker 6: We've punched up the master of the cards in the machine.
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  Speaker 6: You'll make the run now?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, fine, there are many suspects to choose problems.
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  Speaker 4: You're looking for one, thank you? Yeah, this is the
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  Speaker 4: one we want.
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  Speaker 2: When you have a choice to make, you want to
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  Speaker 2: be sure.
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  Speaker 5: Tuesday, June tenth, five twenty pm, Ben got on the
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  Speaker 5: phone and called around town to check further on the
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  Speaker 5: whereabouts of James Butler, the husband of the missing woman.
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  Speaker 4: No luck.
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  Speaker 5: We called the office and they got out of broadcast
• 15:10
  Speaker 5: and an APV on Butler. We drove downtown to the
• 15:13
  Speaker 5: crime lab, gave him the claw hammer that we found
• 15:15
  Speaker 5: in the Butler's attic and asked him to run a
• 15:17
  Speaker 5: benzidine test on the stains. We'd also made arrangements for
• 15:20
  Speaker 5: Lee Jones to run similar tests on the stains we
• 15:22
  Speaker 5: found on the floor of the attic.
• 15:24
  Speaker 9: Three days passed, Butler was gone. There was no sign
• 15:28
  Speaker 9: of him. The search was intensified.
• 15:31
  Speaker 5: Another three days went by Monday, June sixteenth, we got
• 15:35
  Speaker 5: an answer on the APB, A phone call from the
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: chief of police in Hilario, California.
• 15:39
  Speaker 11: Yeah, James Michael Butler, WMA, thirty three years five at
• 15:44
  Speaker 11: seven and eight.
• 15:45
  Speaker 10: Pounds, blond here Hayes lines.
• 15:48
  Speaker 7: He got a North Hankochiet.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: Address down there.
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: That right, Yeah, it sounds like the man we're looking for.
• 15:52
  Speaker 11: He's a real word. When Freddy caused a little trouble
• 15:55
  Speaker 11: at one of the taverns up here last night, kept
• 15:57
  Speaker 11: picking fights with the biggest truck.
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: Drivers he could find.
• 16:00
  Speaker 9: We'll locked them up.
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: After his third fight.
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: Getter jailed in up all night wild what do you do?
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: Ill shouting all over the places?
• 16:06
  Speaker 7: Been doing anything with him.
• 16:07
  Speaker 6: Huh, he's telling everybody how smart you.
• 16:10
  Speaker 11: Yeah, he said he killed his wife, and nobody's ever.
• 16:12
  Speaker 10: Going to find out.
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: James Butler was returned to Los Angeles, where he underwent
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: further interrogation in addition to a psychiatric test.
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: The test showed that he.
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: Was definitely abnormal, but he was still judgmentally competent. The
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: crime labs tests on the bloodstains found on the hammer
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: and on the floor of the attic in the Butler's
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: home revealed that the stains were made by animal blood,
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: not human. We questioned Butler about it, but we failed
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: to get him to even admit he knew anything about
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: the stains. He was released from custody, but he was
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: kept under surveillance. The week passed, two weeks nothing developed.
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: Still no sign of the missing woman, Bernice Butler. Still
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: no definite sign of foul play in connection with her disappearance,
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: no definite sign that her husband was criminally involved in
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: any way. Considering all the angles of the case, we
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: were still incline to figure that he fitted in some
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: he had some direct hand in his wife's disappearance.
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: We stayed on it. Nothing happened. On June twenty.
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: Sixth, the twin sister of the missing woman Ruth Daley.
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: He met Ben and I at the office and laid
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: out a plan she had in mind.
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: She insisted, we try it.
• 17:12
  Speaker 8: You mean you want to work on his emotional nature
• 17:14
  Speaker 8: and try to get some kind of an admission out
• 17:16
  Speaker 8: of him.
• 17:16
  Speaker 6: Is that the whole idea?
• 17:17
  Speaker 7: That's it, Sergeant. I know what a nut he is
• 17:19
  Speaker 7: about being dramatic. I know it'll work.
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: Its possible. Yah, How do you figure to set it up?
• 17:24
  Speaker 7: It won't be very hard. For one thing, you know,
• 17:26
  Speaker 7: my sister Bernice and I look quite a bit alike.
• 17:28
  Speaker 7: People always take us for one another. You can get
• 17:30
  Speaker 7: Jimmy out of the house at night for some reason
• 17:32
  Speaker 7: or another. I'll slip in and go upstairs and put
• 17:34
  Speaker 7: on one of the dresses Bernice used to wear all
• 17:36
  Speaker 7: the time. I'll sit there in the upstairs bedroom. Were
• 17:39
  Speaker 7: just a hall light on, just enough light so we
• 17:41
  Speaker 7: can see you when you bring him upstairs. I'll even
• 17:43
  Speaker 7: bring over Bernice's pet cat, she had si of eat.
• 17:47
  Speaker 7: You always hated the cat.
• 17:48
  Speaker 6: M I don't know, ma'am. I'm not quite sure about it.
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: Or it might be worth a chance. It's not too
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: orthodox but maybe it'll work.
• 17:54
  Speaker 7: If I know, Jimmy, it'll work, Sergeant, if you can
• 17:56
  Speaker 7: just warm him up to it ahead of time before
• 17:58
  Speaker 7: you bring him upstairs he sees me sitting in that
• 18:01
  Speaker 7: room with a cat. I know he'll think it's Bernice
• 18:03
  Speaker 7: bond to get some kind of reaction. That's better than
• 18:05
  Speaker 7: we're doing.
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, what do you think sounds like a movie script?
• 18:10
  Speaker 6: I don't know. It's like she says, I guess we'd
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: bond and get a reaction.
• 18:13
  Speaker 7: I know it'll work. I'm sure of it.
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: Joh, all right, let's give it a try.
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: The following night, a few minutes before eight o'clock, Ben
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: and I got James Butler away from his house on
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: the pretext of taking him downtown for further interrogation. We
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: delayed long enough to make sure that Ruth Day, the
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: sister of the missing woman, had plenty good time to
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: get into the house, change her clothes, and take her
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: place in the upstairs room with her sister's pet, Siamese cat.
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: Then we started back for the house. We've made arrangements to.
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: Have Brian and Lopez from Homicide standing by, concealed in
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: the immediate vicinity of the house.
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: In case they were needed. Eleven o five pm.
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: While we drove him back toward his home, Butler was
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: talking ve but not too relaxed. Was the same line
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: we'd heard before, how tough he could be when he
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: wanted to, the same hints that he was an undiscovered killer,
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: one of the more talent the professionals in the deadly
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: circles of.
• 19:01
  Speaker 9: The underworld that came from Illinois, originally Cicero. You guys,
• 19:06
  Speaker 9: now it is back there. You have to stay right
• 19:07
  Speaker 9: up on your toes.
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah, how long you've been out here?
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: Now?
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: Brother?
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: You expect me to tell you that? And wise, the
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: way you guys work, you're not gonna get me on
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: questions like that one. I'll understand.
• 19:16
  Speaker 9: You do quite a bit of reading, Jim, and come
• 19:18
  Speaker 9: across anything good lately and nothing likely all the good
• 19:21
  Speaker 9: books they've already been written, Edgar Allan, Poe, Stevenson, Demopus
• 19:25
  Speaker 9: on Go Go. They know how to tell a good
• 19:27
  Speaker 9: murder story. These new guys are wasted time reading. That's
• 19:30
  Speaker 9: all reading. That's what I like to do, not that
• 19:31
  Speaker 9: modern junk. Only the best. He takes some of poll
• 19:34
  Speaker 9: and Stephenson.
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: For instance.
• 19:35
  Speaker 9: I know those guys, ye sure, I know the stuff
• 19:37
  Speaker 9: well enough to tell you. I got whole pages memorized.
• 19:40
  Speaker 9: I'd like to hear some Stevenson.
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: Maybe all right, go ahead.
• 19:44
  Speaker 9: I have to belign my nature. All men do. All
• 19:47
  Speaker 9: men are better than this disguise that grows about and stifles.
• 19:51
  Speaker 9: You see each dragged away by life, like one whom
• 19:54
  Speaker 9: bravos have seized and muffled in the cloak.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: If they had their own.
• 19:57
  Speaker 9: Control, if you could see their faces, they would be
• 20:00
  Speaker 9: altogether different. They would shine out for heroes and for saints.
• 20:04
  Speaker 9: I am worse than most. Myself is more over laid.
• 20:07
  Speaker 9: My excuse is known to me and to God. But
• 20:10
  Speaker 9: had I at the time I could disclose myself, that's
• 20:12
  Speaker 9: out of steven See you, I'm a pretty smart fellow.
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah, sure, yeah, you got a pretty good memory.
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: I read those books all the time.
• 20:18
  Speaker 10: Nothing better.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: This is the house, all right? Yeah, that's right. Well,
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: maybe i'll say you later. Huh, thanks to the right.
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: Well, I tell you we'd like to come in the
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: house with you if you don't mind, But one or
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: two things.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: You'd like check over, if that's all right with you?
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: All right?
• 20:30
  Speaker 9: Sure, I guess you ought to know by this time huh.
• 20:33
  Speaker 9: Nothing I'd hide in that house that you'd never want
• 20:34
  Speaker 9: to find. Come on, let's go.
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: Sure and dark got in there a little bit chilly.
• 20:44
  Speaker 9: Yeah, what do you want to check over in the house?
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: All this one or two things, just routine, Jim. We
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: won't keep you along.
• 20:50
  Speaker 9: I guess I'll be a little burned at you cops
• 20:52
  Speaker 9: by now. Huh getting all this roused him? How about
• 20:55
  Speaker 9: laying out pretty soon? Maybe I am getting a little burned.
• 20:58
  Speaker 9: If you can prove something on old.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: Jimmy butt, I prove it. If you can't do it,
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: let him along.
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: We're just tying up a few loose ends here, gym.
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: There's nothing to get excited about it. What's the matter
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: if you get your front dorky.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: I got it my business.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: You learn not to forget anything can't afford to forget.
• 21:21
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it's quite a big place, you got, brother. You
• 21:23
  Speaker 8: just stay here all by yourself.
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: That's the way I like it. By myself.
• 21:27
  Speaker 9: But I look at anything you can look now when
• 21:29
  Speaker 9: you throw. I got some bourbon in the cellar. I
• 21:31
  Speaker 9: keep a big booze selly. You know, all first rate stuff.
• 21:35
  Speaker 9: It's a manic or nothing, Jim, I thought I heard
• 21:38
  Speaker 9: a cat someplace? Did you no cats in this house?
• 21:40
  Speaker 9: What do you mean you heard a cat? I hate
• 21:42
  Speaker 9: the lousy things. I wouldn't have one.
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: Wouldn't you tell us.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: Once your wife had a cat? I think it was you.
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: You didn't like it, bunch?
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: Did you kill the lousy thing? Got nax and killed it.
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: The wife of mine used to drive me crazy with
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: the cat hair all over the place, you know how
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: it is? Got an ax and killed it.
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and there it is. I thought I heard it,
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: cause you got another one?
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: Now, bother, I'll get rid of that thing. I'll find him,
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: get rid of him right now, umstairs.
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: I suppose the house makes you think of your wife
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: quite a bit down in the gym, well, I mean
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: you spent so much time in it together, you and Bernice.
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: It's got quite a few memories for you. I guess, huh,
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: find that thing. If it takes all night, I'll get
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: the accent. I'll find any thing.
• 22:22
  Speaker 9: Except here, all right? Maybe down the hall that Bernice's room.
• 22:27
  Speaker 9: She had the cat. What's it doing here? There's no
• 22:29
  Speaker 9: reason for her could have wandered back in? Can we
• 22:31
  Speaker 9: get more light in this whole way? I can't see
• 22:33
  Speaker 9: anything cat could be anywhere. What's it doing here alone?
• 22:39
  Speaker 9: The cat was always with Bernice.
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: Never left it. Oh, it sounds to me like it's
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: just around here. Maybe through that door there, you think.
• 22:48
  Speaker 9: It's Bernice's room. I killed a lousy cat. He couldn't
• 22:51
  Speaker 9: be in there.
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: Oh, maybe it's just a cat out in the street
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: now on the side alley.
• 22:54
  Speaker 9: Maybe, huh. Probably not even in the house. Take a
• 22:57
  Speaker 9: look in the room here.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: No, no, it ain't real. She's not there. She's not there.
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: Don't hurt the cat, not the poor cat. Jimmy, don't
• 23:15
  Speaker 7: kill him, not both of us. Don't kill the cat. Please,
• 23:19
  Speaker 7: don't kill two of us.
• 23:20
  Speaker 6: You go away, you go away.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: You're not there. It's a fake.
• 23:23
  Speaker 7: You're not there, Bernie, Please, Jimmy, not both of us.
• 23:26
  Speaker 7: Don't kill both of us. Some kind of a trick me.
• 23:28
  Speaker 9: You go away, Bernie, your dad and I killed you.
• 23:30
  Speaker 9: You're downstairs. You're in the ground. You're deep in the ground.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: I killed you. You can't be sitting here.
• 23:34
  Speaker 7: Please, Jimmy, please, all.
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: Right, butther come in.
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: No, get away, you get away from me. She's downstairs,
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: she's in the ground. I'll show you. You can't trick me.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: I'll show it.
• 23:41
  Speaker 10: I cat, I can't.
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: Dear God, come on, Ben downstairs. Yeah.
• 23:53
  Speaker 8: I tried to grab him, tried to, he broke away.
• 23:58
  Speaker 7: We'll we'll be Do.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: You see it? Love? Yeah?
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: Good? Drop from the window. He came fast.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, not too pretty.
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: Huh, must be something. Huh. How about getting the doctor?
• 24:15
  Speaker 11: He lost the doctors when he hit that sidewalk. Only
• 24:19
  Speaker 11: one thing left I know called a priest.
• 24:25
  Speaker 9: In his suicide leap from the top story of his house,
• 24:28
  Speaker 9: James Butler died instantly on the pavement below.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: Afterwards, when the reports.
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: Were made out and the deputy corner removed the body,
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: a special detail of men was sent out to help
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: probe the grounds around the Butler home and also the
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: ground directly beneath the house. The search was thorough, The
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: ground was dug up foot by foot.
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: We found nothing.
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: Butler's last admission before his death that he killed his
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: wife and buried her in the grounds adjoining the house,
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: seemed to be as empty and worthless as some of
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: the other stories that he told us. The pains taking
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: search for the body of James Butler's wife went on.
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: We found nothing alive or dad. There was still no
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: trace of her.
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: Butler's friends and relatives held a modest funeral for him,
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: and he was buried in a small cemetery south of
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: the city. In Missing Persons Bureau, there were still no
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: leads on the case of Bernice Butler.
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: It was still open.
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: Summer finally got to an end. The fall season came
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: and went, and then Christmas and the holidays, and then
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: back into January and February. On the rainy morning early
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: in March, almost a year to the very day when
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: the case started, we got a communication from San Francisco.
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: It had come to the notice of the police to
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: the County Health Department.
• 25:36
  Speaker 8: In regard to your apb of June so and so
• 25:39
  Speaker 8: last year. This is to inform me that missus Bernice
• 25:41
  Speaker 8: Butler has been a patient in the tubercular Ward County Hospital,
• 25:44
  Speaker 8: San Francisco since June sixteenth of last year. Prently, her
• 25:49
  Speaker 8: case was considered critical from the day she was admitted
• 25:51
  Speaker 8: to hospital. Last Thursday, she succumbed to the owners. Identification
• 25:56
  Speaker 8: was established next to King notified, but no one famed
• 25:59
  Speaker 8: to bury. She was buried at kind the expense I trust.
• 26:03
  Speaker 8: This may aid you an establishing facts pertinent to her disappearance.
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: So well, how about that. It doesn't figure it sooner
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: later you get him off.
• 26:14
  Speaker 8: How would you figure out that night we had but
• 26:16
  Speaker 8: at the house, I mean we had his sister on
• 26:18
  Speaker 8: in there, and he thought he saw his wi Who knows.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: Suppose he really had himself talked into what he thought
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: he committed one hundred percent murdered. Yes, he thought about
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: it long enough, fully convinced himself. Must have worked out
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: something like that inside his mind.
• 26:29
  Speaker 8: Imagine he lived right through it. Figured he really killed her.
• 26:32
  Speaker 8: When he came for the punishment, he's ready to buy that.
• 26:34
  Speaker 8: There wasn't any way out, so young mixed up to
• 26:37
  Speaker 8: and get him. He's too bad all things considered. I
• 26:40
  Speaker 8: guess he loved it quite a bit.
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: Well, it doesn't see the matter now, what he did
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: wasn't much of a chance, he honey, mean, well.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: A girl TV on one side, maybe murdered on the other.
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: Either way, she had to die.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: The story you have just heard was true, only the
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: names were changed to protect the innocent.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: On March ninth, the meeting was held in the office
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: of Captain of Homicide Police Department, City and County of
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: Los Angeles, State.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: Of California, in a moment the results of that meeting.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: After locating missus Bernice Butler in the tubercular ward in
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: San Francisco County Hospital, final disposition was made of her case.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: Her late husband, James Butler, was cleared of any connection
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: with her disappearance. You have just heard drag met a
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: series of authentic cases from official file outs. Technical advice
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: comes from the Office of Chief of Police W. H. Parker,
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: Los Angeles Police Department.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: Say tuned for Counterspy next on NBC.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Welcome Back. Who could have predicted that playing with the
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: head of a mentally unstable man could end badly? Well,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: a lot of people actually, I mean Ben Romero mentioned
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: this sounded like a movie plot, and it's generally a
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: good idea for the police to steer clear of borrowing
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: from bay movie detectives. So if you're one ever wondered, well,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: why don't the police ever try anything like that in
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: real life? Well, this episode gives you an idea as
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: to why.
• 28:37
  Speaker 10: Now.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: These passage of Stevenson that was quoted was actually from Marcott,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: which is a story about a man who kills a
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: pawnbroker and is subsequently haunted. And this may have been
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: an indication, given the husband's sort of weak grasp on reality,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: that he believe that sort of thing was possible. We
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: turn now to listen her comments and feeback, and we
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: have a comment regarding the being Winchester over on Facebook.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Alicia writes, chubby, matronly old woman of forty five. Uugh,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: my husband just turned forty five, and I'm not too
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: far behind trying to decide if I should be triggered
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: or not. Lull old might not have been part of
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: that description, but she sure sounded about eighty. Thanks for
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: the comment, Alicia. You know, I started doing podcast with
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Dragnett back when I was twenty six, and so these
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: sort of descriptions just kind of went right over my head.
• 29:47
  Speaker 9: But some of them.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: I am getting to the point where the old phrase
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: I resemble that remark comes to mind. Now it should
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: be said that, and there have been plenty of me
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: of this, and you know photographic evidence that people of
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: the same age and prior generations looked older for their age.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: There are things that led to more severe aging, both
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: environmental and social factors. And they say that forty is
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: the new thirty, they of course, being people like us
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: in our forties trying to feel better about ourselves, but
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: nevertheless they say it, and so I will just go
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: with that and just assume that people were older. Yes, well,
• 30:39
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• 30:46
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  Speaker 1: but join us back here tomorrow for yours truly. Johnny
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  Speaker 1: doll Or where that motive?
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  Speaker 4: Motives?
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  Speaker 10: I hadn't told you that Red, Well, the main thing
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  Speaker 10: is that that cutting open the flotation tanks was done
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  Speaker 10: with some kind of a nack. I was asking about motive,
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  Speaker 10: and I know that Elmer didn't have any axe on
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  Speaker 10: that boat.
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  Speaker 6: Do you find the ex Johnny, No, no, no, read I'll.
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  Speaker 4: Tell you what he had in his boat beside his clothes. Well,
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  Speaker 4: let's cover this motive thing. He had to anchor, of course,
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  Speaker 4: that went with the bull red.
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  Speaker 10: He had a nice new Sila flex rod with a
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  Speaker 10: Mitchell three hundred dollar. He had a long handled neck
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  Speaker 10: that he picked up somewhere in LA and an old
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  Speaker 10: beat up McKenny tackle box for plugs and spoons.
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  Speaker 4: On the fiet right.
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  Speaker 10: And that was all Johnny, no ax. That was all
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  Speaker 10: he had read. That bush shore beating around is getting
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  Speaker 10: pretty big.
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  Speaker 1: This is your host, Adam Graham signing off.