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Dr David Cartland versus Goliath | UK Column Interviews · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and a warm welcome to UK column. I'm
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Speaker 1: Liz Evans and I'm delighted to be joined today by
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Speaker 1: Dr David Cartland, who is a longtime friend of UK column.
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Speaker 1: I wish it was under happier circumstances, but unfortunately he
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Speaker 1: has had some shocking and disturbing updates to share with
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Speaker 1: us regarding the ongoing persecution he has faced since raising
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Speaker 1: safety concerns about lockdowns and COVID jabs all the way
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Speaker 1: back in twenty twenty one. I'm sure many of you
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Speaker 1: will have watched or listened to my interview with doctor
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Speaker 1: Cartland just before Christmas, after the GMC finally contrived to
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Speaker 1: strike him off at the end of a Fitness to
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Speaker 1: Practice hearing at the Medical Practitioners Tribunal Service that's MPTS,
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Speaker 1: which is.
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Speaker 2: How we'll refer to it.
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Speaker 1: This hearing can only be described as a kangaroo court
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Speaker 1: and it was the most appalling miscarriage of justice. And
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Speaker 1: we also discussed his recent published book Do No Harm
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Speaker 1: Diaries of a Vaccinated anti Vaxxer. So if you haven't
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Speaker 1: heard the interview, I strongly encourage you to listen, as
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Speaker 1: it gives the background story and sets the scene for
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Speaker 1: our part two conversation today and will put a link
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Speaker 1: to the first interview in the show notes. So just
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Speaker 1: in case you haven't heard of David Carland, he was
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Speaker 1: until recently a highly experienced GP in Cornwall. He is
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Speaker 1: eminently qualified in both science and medicine, with a first
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Speaker 1: class degree in biomedical sciences, a medical degree from Birmingham
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Speaker 1: Medical School and an MSc in medical research. And he
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Speaker 1: became a whistleblower in twenty twenty one when he began
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Speaker 1: to see serious side effects and deaths from the COVID
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Speaker 1: jabs in his practice. His selfless, courageous and ethical stand
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Speaker 1: ever since, speaking truth to power and refusing to be
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Speaker 1: silenced has been at a tremendous cost to himself. Now
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Speaker 1: Part one of our conversation was so harrowing it is
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Speaker 1: hard to believe that that wasn't the end of the story,
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Speaker 1: or that Dr Cartland's situation could possibly get worse. The
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Speaker 1: powers that be had already robbed David of his career,
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Speaker 1: vocation and reputation. Surely they would be satisfied, but no,
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Speaker 1: So I have invited David back on today as sadly
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Speaker 1: the persecution he has endured over the last five years
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Speaker 1: has continued in twenty twenty six in increasingly bizarre and
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Speaker 1: sinister ways. So, without further ado, welcome back, Dr Cartland.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to hand over to you to fill this
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Speaker 1: in on what has happened since December twenty twenty five
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Speaker 1: when we last spoke.
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Speaker 3: Thanks Liz, It's always a pleasure to be to be
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Speaker 3: joined by you. And yeah, it's a long story. I'll
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Speaker 3: try and keep it as brief as I can, really,
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Speaker 3: but we'll kind of leave the GMC as it's been
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Speaker 3: covered previously and the media attacks that followed thereafter that
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Speaker 3: really want for my reputation locally and nationally. I was
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Speaker 3: my face was put across the main street media in
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Speaker 3: not so good a light, a bully, harasser, insider of
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Speaker 3: hatred forraud, dishonest, transphobia, homophobic leaves with the headlines that
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Speaker 3: are being written about me. I don't ever believe in coincidences. Halloween. Halloween,
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Speaker 3: I get a knock on the door and it was
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Speaker 3: a DBS letter. For those that don't know, DBS is
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Speaker 3: kind of the rebrand of what was the Criminal Records Bureau.
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Speaker 3: So the purpose of that list is essentially to screen
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Speaker 3: your future employee for other criminal. Essentially, it's a criminal
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Speaker 3: conviction list, so if you've been tried by jury, convicted
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Speaker 3: of a crime and found guilty, your name appears on
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Speaker 3: that list so as to warn your future employer. And
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Speaker 3: they've changed that now to called Disclosure Barring Services, so
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Speaker 3: it's opened out that slightly. So it's not just for criminals.
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Speaker 3: It's for people who've demonstrably harmed vulnerable adults and children.
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Speaker 3: So there's a slight niche and that was based on
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Speaker 3: Ian Huntley as he was working in as a caretaker,
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Speaker 3: had no conviction when he was up to no good,
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Speaker 3: you know, murdering essentially, So that's the reason it's opened
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Speaker 3: up to include people who've demonstrably harmed up without conviction.
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Speaker 3: So you've got to do two things, commit a crime
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Speaker 3: or harmer a moon blada or child. Halloween comes letter
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Speaker 3: had to sign for it, opened it up and inside
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Speaker 3: was a letter called minded Debar And in that letter
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Speaker 3: it explained to me that due to my strikeoff by
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Speaker 3: the Medical Practitioners Tribunal Service, there was an automatic referral
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Speaker 3: into the DBS service and to consider placing me on
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Speaker 3: the list amongst those aforementioned characters. And the reason was
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Speaker 3: quite unusual. It was because of my what they kept
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Speaker 3: calling in the GMC. They said, you falsified medical notes,
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Speaker 3: and you've what did they say, You've created a vaccine
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Speaker 3: exemption certificates. Now, just to touch on those two points,
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Speaker 3: I didn't either. I never falsified anyone's notes, and I
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Speaker 3: certainly didn't create a vaccine exemption certificate. What I did
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Speaker 3: was I would write a letter, and these were very
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Speaker 3: small numbers of letters supporting as a doctor a patient
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Speaker 3: who had decided they didn't want to have the COVID
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Speaker 3: dejackment that job essentially, and these were medical emergencies. These
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Speaker 3: were emergencies that were happening internationally, and they are happening
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Speaker 3: in countries that had no regulations at the time. These
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Speaker 3: were done at the back end of twenty three. The
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Speaker 3: worldwide lockdown policies ended circum May twenty three, and that
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Speaker 3: was USA, but previous countries were well before that. The
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Speaker 3: reason that's important is because that's what they've used to justify.
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Speaker 3: So they basically rehashed the GMC. They said, we've we've
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Speaker 3: been referred your case because you've been found guilty of
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Speaker 3: serious misconduct. And as we've discussed before. It was social
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Speaker 3: media perhaps with doctors to in and throwing back in
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Speaker 3: and forth, and that was tried in a kangaroo court
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Speaker 3: whereby my evidence was excluded pretty much in its entirety.
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Speaker 3: To give context, and I wrote these five or six letters.
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Speaker 3: I've just dug two out actually because as a legal
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Speaker 3: case going on anyway, the minded to buy a letter
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Speaker 3: says we go to consider putting you on this list.
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Speaker 3: And so over Christmas I put together a legal bundle,
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Speaker 3: helped by the barrister from the GMC, helped by some
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Speaker 3: other people that are paralegal, and we put in a
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Speaker 3: bundle with references essentially saying, look, this is this is
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Speaker 3: a misuse of the DBS. Dr Carland has committed no crime,
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Speaker 3: he's harmed to no children, and no vulnerable adult has
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Speaker 3: been involved in this GMC case. I mean you can
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Speaker 3: search for those terms in the MPTS determination. Those words
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Speaker 3: aren't used. That said, you know, I didn't think much
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Speaker 3: of it, if I honest with you, at the time
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Speaker 3: Christmas happened, it came and went busy time put the
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Speaker 3: submissions in. I think, you know it all go away
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Speaker 3: because as I said, I don't qualify to be on
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Speaker 3: the criminal's list, having not been arrested, charged or convicted
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Speaker 3: of anything, let alone harm a child or adult. Loads
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Speaker 3: of references, really good references from you know, people in safeguarding,
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Speaker 3: people who work with children, neighbors who have foster kids
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Speaker 3: that allow me to interact and stuff like that with them.
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Speaker 3: And you know, there's a lot of level of trust
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Speaker 3: head teachers writing, you know, support from the FA as
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Speaker 3: I was a referee at the time, and anyway that
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Speaker 3: we're in And a few weeks later, I've got the
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Speaker 3: letter through saying we've made the decision and we are
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Speaker 3: going to place you on the barred list, which essentially
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Speaker 3: I mean, I've got it next to me now because
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Speaker 3: I'm going to read a couple of bits out from
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Speaker 3: it which will alarm you, because this is this is
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Speaker 3: overreach on another level. The consequence of it, in summary,
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Speaker 3: is that I am banned from working with children and
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Speaker 3: vulnerable adults indefinitely, pending a High Court appeal. So I've
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Speaker 3: got at the moment, we're in the process of putting
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Speaker 3: that appeal together. We have to apply to the High
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Speaker 3: Court to ask permission to appeal first, and that's happening
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Speaker 3: literally as we speak and then we've got our rebuttal,
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Speaker 3: and the rebottals very simple. So I'm concerned. I keep
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Speaker 3: repeating it. I've committed no crime and I'm not harmed
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Speaker 3: upon another or child. At this point, I just wanted
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Speaker 3: to read a couple of excerpts, if that's okay. So basically,
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Speaker 3: the first few pages are a rehash of the quote
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Speaker 3: seventeen unquote charges against me, which are available online. You
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Speaker 3: can read those few self. But at the end of
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Speaker 3: those charges, they basically just took the seventeen charges. They're
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Speaker 3: not charges by the way you can read them. There's
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Speaker 3: five charges stretched out into seventeen. But I just want
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Speaker 3: to read this so that the seventeen charges end, and
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Speaker 3: it says prior to June twenty five, whilst working in
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Speaker 3: your capacity as a registered doctor, he issued medical exemptions
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Speaker 3: to individuals who did not meet the requirements and which
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Speaker 3: contravened rules and regulations at the time of issue. Now,
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Speaker 3: before I go on, I'm just going to say that
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Speaker 3: the GMC never had a copy of any of these letters.
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Speaker 3: They didn't request a copy from me. I didn't provide
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Speaker 3: a copy because I wasn't requested, but I had a
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Speaker 3: couple on my laptop if I needed to show them.
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Speaker 3: I admitted during an entrapment scenario that I did them,
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Speaker 3: and I did them on the basis our bodily autonomy,
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Speaker 3: premium non sa first, do no harm and the fact
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Speaker 3: that people are allowed in real life medical ethics to
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Speaker 3: refuse medical treatment with capacity. Now, the interesting point was
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Speaker 3: is that when we asked the GMC to provide a document,
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Speaker 3: they didn't have a letter. They didn't have the hard copy.
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Speaker 3: So these international rules that I was flouting will come
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Speaker 3: to that in a minute, and these regulations that I
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Speaker 3: was abusing by writing these letters supporting medical ethics, they
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Speaker 3: didn't have a copy. So when we asked them one
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Speaker 3: which country did they use them in? What date? What
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Speaker 3: was the policy at the time. You know, surely the
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Speaker 3: border patrol if it was a reason that wasn't legitimate,
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Speaker 3: could have just said no, where is your evidence that
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Speaker 3: said I was found guilty? I was found guilty. Now,
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Speaker 3: as I mentioned, these are four adults on a social
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Speaker 3: media spat and these five or six letters documented, and
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Speaker 3: they were basically supporting as I mentioned, the permit form.
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Speaker 3: Promit form was a self exemption where people can go
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Speaker 3: download the form and give their own reason, and it
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Speaker 3: was a medical It was an insurance policy really, because
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Speaker 3: these people knew they didn't need to show documentation, but
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Speaker 3: they wanted it in their handbag in case they had
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Speaker 3: a tricky trip through border patrol or immigration. I'll go
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Speaker 3: on with this bit of an excerpt. So having considered this,
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Speaker 3: the DBS is satisfied that you engaged in relevant conduct
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Speaker 3: in relationis into vulnerable adults. So straight away they've used
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Speaker 3: vulnerable adults that's never been used in any of the mpts.
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Speaker 3: Suddenly these victims of mine. In fact, they go on
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Speaker 3: to say, actually, the people who came to me and
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Speaker 3: asked for letters because they were seeking from medical advice,
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Speaker 3: they were the vulnerable ones. There's no demonstrable harm. Here
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Speaker 3: goes on to say, this is because you've engaged in
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Speaker 3: conduct which endangered a vulnerable adult or was likely to
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Speaker 3: endanger a vulnerable adult. It goes on, it is also
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Speaker 3: considered that you have engaged in relevant conduct in relation
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Speaker 3: to children. Where that's come from, they've plucked it out
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Speaker 3: of a hat like a rabbit. Specifically, conduct which if
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Speaker 3: repeated against or in a relation to a child, would
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Speaker 3: endanger that child or would likely to endanger him or hearth.
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Speaker 3: So that's the first alarming bit they poured out from nowhere.
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Speaker 3: Vulnerable adult. That phrase never used in the GMC case.
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Speaker 3: They used the word vulnerable witness. Because they gave anonimited orders.
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Speaker 3: All of my testimony was public and under my own name.
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Speaker 3: All of the victims to Commons were given anonymity order,
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Speaker 3: so they were known as Dr A, B and C
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Speaker 3: and mischeck.
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Speaker 2: And they were all doctors, weren't they.
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Speaker 3: Who were practice manager practice manager scientists and to practicing doctors.
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Speaker 3: So these are vulnerable adults here, and.
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Speaker 2: They weren't your patients and they had no harm.
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Speaker 3: Well, the interesting thing is there's been no clinical negligence,
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Speaker 3: no patient complaining, nothing, And as we talked about in
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Speaker 3: the previous interview, no witnesses were heard, all of them.
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Speaker 3: Witness bundle was removed, but for what they the prosecution
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Speaker 3: deemed appropriate, which was not a lot really. And even
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Speaker 3: at the end when we were mitigating, we were saying,
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Speaker 3: you know, we've got all these character testimonies of doctor Cartland,
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Speaker 3: character testimonies to so what a nice guy is. And
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Speaker 3: these were neighbors, friends, colleagues, football team, ex colleagues, refereeing colleagues,
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Speaker 3: just saying that Gott's a nice bloke and we've got
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Speaker 3: no concerns even that they wouldn't listen. At the mitigation stage,
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Speaker 3: we try to bring in the story that I've been
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Speaker 3: bullied by a bunch of trolls. You know who I'm
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Speaker 3: talking about. One of the victims was the leader of
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Speaker 3: Centrol Group, well known guy, you know, well known for
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Speaker 3: going around and abusing people. This was presented to the
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Speaker 3: gen C book. It was never heard, but that said,
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Speaker 3: I mean, here we are. I mean, I just wanted
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Speaker 3: to read the second excerpt really just before yeah.
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Speaker 1: Readecond act and then I want to talk about this
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Speaker 1: DBS decision because there's a bit to add on that,
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Speaker 1: so yeah.
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Speaker 2: Give us.
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Speaker 3: So basically there's this is page six and they're explaining
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Speaker 3: now the reasons why they put me on the ADDLE
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Speaker 3: barred list and the children's barred lists. So I'll do
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Speaker 3: this as quickly as I can say. It says, our
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Speaker 3: concerns in relation to your conduct are not impacted by
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Speaker 3: those by the age of those in your care. If
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Speaker 3: you were to work or volunteer, if you were to
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Speaker 3: work or volunteer in the regulated activity with children. You
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Speaker 3: may similarly consider it acceptable to act in a way
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Speaker 3: which you see fit for yourself, aligns with your own ideas, beliefs,
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Speaker 3: or opinions, or is intentionally harmful, irrespective of the impact
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Speaker 3: on those who may be reliant on you. You may
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Speaker 3: consider it acceptable to falsified documentation. Going back to that phrase,
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Speaker 3: I've not falsified document I wrote a letter. What's false
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Speaker 3: about that? Falsified documentation? And be of the belief that
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Speaker 3: you are entitled to ignore and fly out international policy
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Speaker 3: and protocol and fail to consider your professional obligations in
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Speaker 3: doing so. Furthermore, you may actively go against the advice
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Speaker 3: given to you, And overall, it is considered that your
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Speaker 3: conduct poses a considerable safeguarding risk if you were to
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Speaker 3: continue to work or volunteer in a regulated activity with children.
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Speaker 3: We are therefore satisfied it is appropriate and proportionate to
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Speaker 3: include you in the children's barred lists. They then go
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Speaker 3: on to say the issue of proportionality in your rights
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Speaker 3: under ECCHR have been considered. Goes on to tell me
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Speaker 3: exactly how they're going to mess my life. Now. It
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Speaker 3: is acknowledged that this will Including you on this list
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Speaker 3: would significantly impact your career volunteering opportunities, impacting your earning
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Speaker 3: capacity and lifestyle. It will prevent you from continuing to
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Speaker 3: work or applying in any role which involves health care
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Speaker 3: or care of others which you have noteworthy levels of
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Speaker 3: education and experience over many years. It would also prevent
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Speaker 3: you from continuing to work with vulnerable groups in your
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Speaker 3: capacity as a referee. It's also recognized inclusion on the
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Speaker 3: list may carry some degree of stigma for you and
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Speaker 3: potentially impact your mental health and general well being. However,
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Speaker 3: any interference with your human rights must be balanced against
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Speaker 3: the rights of vulnerable groups, and as it is believed
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Speaker 3: that you may pose a risk of causing significant emotional
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Speaker 3: harm to vulnerable adults or children, your inclusion in the
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Speaker 3: DVS Adults and Children Barred List is appropriate.
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is a completely outrageous letter, because this
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Speaker 1: is like kaf carest hasn't it be tried and compated
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Speaker 1: of a crime you've never committed, you know, because it's
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Speaker 1: worth mentioning you've never been investigated by the police or
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Speaker 1: charged with any crime, and yet we expect dbs to
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Speaker 1: be protecting the public against criminals like people who've been
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Speaker 1: had their cases heard in a court of law where
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Speaker 1: it's beyond reasonable doubt, there is demonstrable harm and someone's
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Speaker 1: been found guilty. Now, none of this has.
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Speaker 3: Happened with you. Did you say in that letter how
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Speaker 3: many ifs and may and life? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: These are all like, you know, this idea that you
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Speaker 1: might commit a crime one day. So therefore we need
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Speaker 1: to you know, destroy your whole life now. I mean,
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Speaker 1: because as they said, it stops you engaging in pretty
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Speaker 1: much everything. You can't It's going to be very hard
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Speaker 1: to earn money, It's going to be very hard to
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Speaker 1: engage in your community.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's a massive stigma to be on them.
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Speaker 3: Out of interest A lot to Uber driver jobs, you
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Speaker 3: need hand DBS clearance, I asked in Tesco Customer Services,
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Speaker 3: if I get a job here on the tails, do
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Speaker 3: want need enhanced DBS Clearancey? Yes you do.
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Speaker 1: It's spreading, isn't it across all jobs? You know, more
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Speaker 1: and more jobs are requiring that, so your options are limited.
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Speaker 1: And it's interesting because I was reading dot maleix were
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Speaker 1: in a really good article which I'd recommend on his substack,
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Speaker 1: and I'm going to put a link to that comparing
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Speaker 1: or talking about all these doctors like you, and then
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Speaker 1: there's Billy Ralph in id who are being literally their
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Speaker 1: lives destroyed for speaking out. It's this censorship and silencing.
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Speaker 1: And he said the most revealing line in the entire
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Speaker 1: document was your personally held beliefs have infiltrated your work,
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Speaker 1: so that even came into the mp mptes hearing that
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Speaker 1: it was there was this idea that you'd committed some
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Speaker 1: sort of thought crime and you weren't allowed to have beliefs,
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Speaker 1: and that that was justification.
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Speaker 3: And the sweet are any of these beliefs are not
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Speaker 3: just beliefs now, they're factually correct, backed by realms and
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Speaker 3: reams of published data and studies. So it's not like
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Speaker 3: there isn't some material, you know, the truth about what
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Speaker 3: my beliefs were. These stark coming how orwellian that that
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Speaker 3: last bread out there that you know, if in the
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Speaker 3: future it's a bit like putting somebody on a sex
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Speaker 3: offender because they possessed male genitalia and they may in
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Speaker 3: the thegrives. You know, it's like that, isn't it, And
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Speaker 3: that's where we're at nowhere. You know, it's I've not
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Speaker 3: watched Minority Report for a long time, but I think
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Speaker 3: that keeps coming back to me. Minority Report where they're
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Speaker 3: convicting people for things that they're yet to do, the
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Speaker 3: committing the future book or.
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Speaker 1: Black Mirror or something. I mean, this really is dystopian.
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Speaker 1: But I think what's really encouraging actually, I feel like
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Speaker 1: you've got a lot of public support because you've had
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Speaker 1: this petition calling for justice for you, and that's got
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Speaker 1: over thirteen thousand signatures now and my organization, along with
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Speaker 1: three others Heart Doctors for Patients UK and Doctor ros
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Speaker 1: Jones's group, the Children's Vaccine Group, we've just published an
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Speaker 1: open letter of support to the DBS. So we've addressed
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Speaker 1: it to the Disclosures and Barring Service Chair and also
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Speaker 1: copied in the Football Association because that's another part of
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Speaker 1: this story which.
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Speaker 3: We'll come back.
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Speaker 1: And it's also been signed by ninety doctors, healthcare professionals
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Speaker 1: and academics. I'm going to link to that letter so
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Speaker 1: you can read it. But basically we've put the key
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Speaker 1: points on these ridiculous, you know, charges that you face
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Speaker 1: that they've they've put against you, that first of all,
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Speaker 1: you have a completely unblemish medical record and you've committed
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Speaker 1: no crime, and there's no evidence you have harmed a
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Speaker 1: single adult or pediatric patient. Then your exemption letters, as
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Speaker 1: you said, just expressed the fact that vaccines, like all
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Speaker 1: medical interventions, can only be given after obtaining fully informed consent.
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Speaker 1: And you only have to read the GMC's own consent
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Speaker 1: consent guidance, which says that if a patient reports being
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Speaker 1: under coercion or if they choose not to take a
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Speaker 1: medicine for any reason, and that includes say Jehovah's witnesses
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Speaker 1: who are bleeding to death, who say I don't want blood,
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Speaker 1: they cannot give legally valid informed consent, so therefore they
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Speaker 1: are exempt. I mean, that's you know, if you can't
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Speaker 1: give informed consent, you are exempt.
18:57
Speaker 3: You're committing battery and assault if you were to overall
18:59
Speaker 3: there adn't.
19:00
Speaker 1: Exactly and then you would be committing a crime. So
19:04
Speaker 1: and then you've got you know, human rights legislation upholds
19:08
Speaker 1: bodily autonomy, in form consent, the right to refuse medical treatment,
19:13
Speaker 1: and so how can it be a safeguarding issue for
19:16
Speaker 1: a doctor to uphold inform consent. And the other thing
19:20
Speaker 1: is that this idea that you acting outside policies and
19:23
Speaker 1: guidelines is somehow completely reckless and you know makes you dangerous.
19:27
Speaker 1: But policies and guidelines are guidance, they're not binding. They
19:32
Speaker 1: are a help and aid to help doctors to you know,
19:35
Speaker 1: make a decision. But the doctor ultimately has to make
19:38
Speaker 1: the decision in the patient's best interest.
19:41
Speaker 2: That patient with their whole.
19:42
Speaker 1: Medical history, their psychological history, their philosophical beliefs, everything comes
19:48
Speaker 1: into that decision making. So therefore, if you decide as
19:53
Speaker 1: a doctor to treat a patient outside NHS guideline is
19:58
Speaker 1: it's just not a never has been a safeguarding issue.
20:02
Speaker 1: So how can the DBS suddenly decide to make this
20:06
Speaker 1: a safeguarding issue because these are you know, normal practice
20:09
Speaker 1: for a doctor. You can't batter your patient or assault
20:13
Speaker 1: them by giving them a treatment against their will. You
20:15
Speaker 1: have to uphold informed consent. You're covered by the law
20:19
Speaker 1: and human rights legislation and you don't have to. Guidelines
20:23
Speaker 1: are not mandates.
20:25
Speaker 3: That's absolutely so autonomous practice from every patient you see
20:27
Speaker 3: at ten minute intervals in general practice, you hear the history.
20:30
Speaker 3: You know, ten different doctors could give ten different treatment
20:33
Speaker 3: plans based on the same patient in front of them.
20:35
Speaker 3: That happens, you know, and as you mentioned, guidance is guidance,
20:39
Speaker 3: and I just want to throw this into the ring.
20:41
Speaker 3: At the moment, we're seeing ever increasing amounts of suspended
20:44
Speaker 3: sentences for sex crimes against children in the general community,
20:48
Speaker 3: police and judges, but just specifically to doctors. It's been
20:52
Speaker 3: particularly predominant in the press at the moment of doctors
20:55
Speaker 3: who are being reported to the GMC for sex offenses,
20:59
Speaker 3: child pornography images crimes, drinks, drug offenses, dishonesty. There's a
21:06
Speaker 3: famous doctor, not famous, a famous case that's going around
21:08
Speaker 3: at the moment of a guernty surgeon who was casually
21:11
Speaker 3: castrating women while doing inappropriate female guynecological procedures. He's been
21:16
Speaker 3: let off. There's been a doctor that raped somebody and
21:20
Speaker 3: they were let off for a one off incident and
21:22
Speaker 3: they showed the magical insight as they call it. As
21:26
Speaker 3: long as you show insight, you can be let off
21:27
Speaker 3: absolutely everything. But I still find it quite ironic that,
21:30
Speaker 3: going back to the GMC case, my stance has been
21:33
Speaker 3: calling out homicide and terrorism and I was one of
21:36
Speaker 3: the legal guy for the GMC, was a homicide and
21:39
Speaker 3: terrorist barrister, and I've been placed on the child Safeguarding
21:42
Speaker 3: list when my standards been about safeguarding children. The irony
21:46
Speaker 3: here is just I'm surprised we can still smile about
21:48
Speaker 3: it at the minute, because it's made me really ill,
21:51
Speaker 3: just really in many different ways. It's just it's really
21:54
Speaker 3: affected me. And whats about what we're going to talk
21:56
Speaker 3: about the referee's it's.
21:59
Speaker 1: Really before we get to that. I just want to
22:02
Speaker 1: really like hone in on this two tier justice that's
22:04
Speaker 1: going on at the moment, because I think that's such
22:07
Speaker 1: a key issue and it's a it's a massive safeguarding
22:10
Speaker 1: issue that the GMC and the mpts are just making
22:15
Speaker 1: these crazy decisions. So you know, they're striking off ethical
22:19
Speaker 1: doctors for you know, raising patient safety concerns. So it's
22:23
Speaker 1: not just you that we have Sam White, Muhammad Ardil,
22:26
Speaker 1: Jane Donoghan, Sarahmi Hill and McCluskey. And then even the
22:30
Speaker 1: Telegraph was reporting last week that the GMC is trying
22:34
Speaker 1: to strike off at ce Malhotra, which only started after
22:38
Speaker 1: he published two peer review papers on the dangers of
22:40
Speaker 1: COVID job So this is this is bonkers. But then
22:43
Speaker 1: you've got this the cases that like you describe, which
22:47
Speaker 1: were reported in The Daily Mail this month on some
22:51
Speaker 1: appallingly lacks GMC and MPTS decisions where doctors are being
22:55
Speaker 1: let off with the warning.
22:58
Speaker 2: There was so apart from the.
22:59
Speaker 1: Cases you meant, there was a consultant anthetist mentioned in
23:02
Speaker 1: the article, doctor Suhel and Jum left a patient on
23:06
Speaker 1: the operating table unconscious to go and have sex with
23:09
Speaker 1: a nurse in the other room, was discovered, went back
23:13
Speaker 1: and carried on with the operation and they ruled that
23:16
Speaker 1: his fitness to practice as a doctor was not impaired
23:19
Speaker 1: by this. Then you've got this guynecologist consultant in Guernsey
23:24
Speaker 1: who removed the ovaries from two women without consent, but
23:27
Speaker 1: also faced more than a hundred claims of inappropriate behavior
23:32
Speaker 1: from staff and patients.
23:33
Speaker 2: But he's allowed to put work. He's just been given
23:35
Speaker 2: a warning.
23:36
Speaker 1: And then most recently there's a GP doctor, Godfrey Emaku,
23:41
Speaker 1: who let his unqualified driver on a home visit carry
23:45
Speaker 1: out a breast examination of a young mother, but the
23:48
Speaker 1: GMC said he could carry on working because he had
23:51
Speaker 1: insights and didn't pose a futuristic patient. So you just
23:55
Speaker 1: think the GMC is not fit for purposes it. I
23:57
Speaker 1: think it's so corrupted, and my organization and the same
24:03
Speaker 1: group of organizations. We've also written a letter to where
24:05
Speaker 1: Streeting highlighting these failings and calling for reform because it's
24:11
Speaker 1: totally broken. You know, how do you how can we
24:15
Speaker 1: take the regulator seriously if they're allowing doctors like this
24:17
Speaker 1: to work and yet ethical whistleblow doctors are.
24:20
Speaker 2: Being struck off. What do you think is going on
24:23
Speaker 2: in the GMC and mpts.
24:25
Speaker 3: Well, they're supposed to be a neutral regulator, aren't they.
24:27
Speaker 3: They're a charity test with keeping public confidence in the
24:30
Speaker 3: profession as they keep bleeding at tip top. But then
24:33
Speaker 3: you look at their investment portfolio and you find they're
24:37
Speaker 3: investing in big farmer, including AstraZeneca. You're not going to
24:40
Speaker 3: get a fair trial there when there's such a big
24:42
Speaker 3: conflict of interest. I did a deep dive into some
24:45
Speaker 3: comparator cases our search day. If first Lasse searched what
24:50
Speaker 3: was Davey Cartlan doing that is so bad that there's
24:53
Speaker 3: past a serious misconduct And the only thing it could
24:55
Speaker 3: come up with was I called an obstetrician and evil witch,
24:58
Speaker 3: which I did in a private their grand group that
25:01
Speaker 3: she seemed to have access to. So what I could
25:04
Speaker 3: to an evil witch. She was telling pregnant women to
25:05
Speaker 3: get the COVID job while they were pregnant. I do
25:08
Speaker 3: believe firmly she's an evil witch. But when of the gims,
25:11
Speaker 3: that's the best day I can come up with. Well, again,
25:14
Speaker 3: I looked at all the different I just typed in
25:16
Speaker 3: what doctors have been suspended or struck off her harassment.
25:19
Speaker 3: There's no single case like mine. There was one case
25:21
Speaker 3: of a transactivist doctor who was very aggressive, kind of
25:25
Speaker 3: going after people that were feminists in his opinion, doing
25:29
Speaker 3: some really serious stalking behavior, serious harassments, seriously alarming behavior,
25:34
Speaker 3: got let off with a three month I think three
25:36
Speaker 3: or six month suspension, still practicing. That's the closest I
25:39
Speaker 3: came to mind. And then everything else, all the sex offenses,
25:42
Speaker 3: sexual arrastment are all suspended. They're not struck off, so
25:46
Speaker 3: they seem to have And Charles Massey himself has said
25:48
Speaker 3: we've got a problem with doctors and sexual behaviors. We've
25:51
Speaker 3: got a problem, he said he recently. So you know,
25:53
Speaker 3: you can rape and castraight and get your driver to
25:57
Speaker 3: fondle your patient, can't write letters supporting bod the lie autonomy.
26:02
Speaker 3: It's so incredibly insane. And to answer you in the
26:04
Speaker 3: question directly, I don't know who these people are that
26:06
Speaker 3: are pulling the strings here. I've got GMC, the politicians,
26:10
Speaker 3: the police, They're just lower level puppets to whatever's up there.
26:14
Speaker 3: And these people are evil and big farmer. It's a
26:17
Speaker 3: big farmer, isn't it. You know, if they don't want
26:18
Speaker 3: some whipper snapper doctor Dave Cartland who's got big traction
26:22
Speaker 3: on the internet gobbing off about their wonderful technology because
26:25
Speaker 3: they've got plans for this album at MR and A.
26:27
Speaker 3: It's not just the COVID vaccine. This is the future
26:29
Speaker 3: of veterinary medicine. It's the future of oncology. It's the
26:33
Speaker 3: future of everything. And you've got this doctor calling out
26:35
Speaker 3: saying it doesn't work and it's unsafe. Silence that man.
26:39
Speaker 3: And as I hear it every day still this you know,
26:41
Speaker 3: I had it this morning, you know, when somebody said
26:44
Speaker 3: to me, I would speak out. But we've see what
26:46
Speaker 3: they've done to.
26:47
Speaker 1: You and show how dangerous the truth is to corruption
26:52
Speaker 1: and lies. And because they cannot let you off, it
26:57
Speaker 1: seems that they just want to destroy. Like we discussed
27:01
Speaker 1: in the last It's like they weren't satisfied at taking
27:04
Speaker 1: your career. I think because you continue to speak, you
27:08
Speaker 1: won't be silenced, and I think that is, you know,
27:10
Speaker 1: a huge testament to your courage and your stubbornness and
27:14
Speaker 1: your determination, like you won't be cowed by them. But
27:19
Speaker 1: it really has been so devastating for you.
27:22
Speaker 3: I mean, on a personal level, it has been. I
27:24
Speaker 3: mean I didn't say at the beginning, but this is
27:26
Speaker 3: my final interview. I'm not doing anymore. I'm retiring from
27:29
Speaker 3: duty unless you know, unless CNN come to me or
27:33
Speaker 3: one of the mainstream media. And even then they'll try
27:36
Speaker 3: and stitch me up. But I'm just hired now. I'm
27:38
Speaker 3: battle weary. It's really affected me. We're supposed to do
27:40
Speaker 3: this last week, weren't we And just like I was
27:42
Speaker 3: a broken man for a week, I've just about dragging
27:44
Speaker 3: myself out of bed. I'm not sleeping, I'm getting panic attacks.
27:47
Speaker 3: So I went to Guernsey for the conference and every
27:49
Speaker 3: two minutes time to step out of the room, having
27:51
Speaker 3: that chest pain and panic attacks, which I've never had
27:54
Speaker 3: in my career, my life. Every time the door locks,
27:56
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, is it another legal letter? Is it the police.
28:00
Speaker 3: I haven't got pulled into the police station. I've got
28:01
Speaker 3: all these bullies and harassers abusing me, stalking me, absolutely
28:05
Speaker 3: ridiculous behavior online. And one of my abusers, harassers, one
28:09
Speaker 3: of the worst, contacted the Cornwall police and had a
28:13
Speaker 3: cop around here a few fridays ago pulled me into
28:15
Speaker 3: the station for an interview for allegedly harassing a harasser. Well,
28:19
Speaker 3: it became immediately clear after ten minutes in the interview
28:22
Speaker 3: room with her that he was actually the bully as
28:24
Speaker 3: I read out the threats that he issued against me,
28:27
Speaker 3: and the sexually explicit memes that he'd made about me,
28:30
Speaker 3: and the abuse and harassment that he'd levied at me
28:33
Speaker 3: nine hundred odd posts. Yeah, I was sat there in
28:35
Speaker 3: front of a police officer for five posts and the
28:39
Speaker 3: five posters watch everything I do. The five posts with
28:41
Speaker 3: me putting the image of the man saying this is
28:43
Speaker 3: mister X. This is where he is in the world,
28:46
Speaker 3: not in this country, and he's posted nine hundred and
28:48
Speaker 3: eighty times about a stranger. Does your wife know you
28:51
Speaker 3: do this stuff like that? And then I've been holding
28:54
Speaker 3: I've got people physically stalking me, threatening to pour petrol
28:57
Speaker 3: on me and set me a light and come to
28:58
Speaker 3: football matches, physically assault me. And they're not doing anything
29:02
Speaker 3: about that. Yet this guy from the other side of
29:05
Speaker 3: the world gets so when you're saying, who's behind this,
29:07
Speaker 3: I don't know. These people have influenced. These people are
29:10
Speaker 3: in the ear of the DBS, They're in the ear
29:12
Speaker 3: of the fas will come to, They're in the ear
29:14
Speaker 3: of the GMC. And there was a very strange atmosphere.
29:17
Speaker 3: I didn't listen to the second bit of the tribune.
29:19
Speaker 3: I've my pa watched it and she said that all
29:23
Speaker 3: of their faces were just they looked gone. So they
29:25
Speaker 3: looked like they knew that they were doing something very wrong.
29:28
Speaker 3: In that moment when they said that, immediately struck off.
29:32
Speaker 3: And it's funny this morning, I've been tossing and turning
29:34
Speaker 3: thinking in all the time up until that day I
29:36
Speaker 3: was struck off. I was working. I was working at
29:39
Speaker 3: surgery in some hostile getting wonderful feedback from patients, wonderful
29:43
Speaker 3: camaraderie with the staff, nurses, doctors recognizing me, etc. There
29:47
Speaker 3: were no limitations and my practice. This whole ordeal went
29:50
Speaker 3: on for four years and there was no interim suspension.
29:53
Speaker 3: There were no special measures or restrictions, and from one
29:56
Speaker 3: day to the next, suddenly I've deemed a danger. Now
30:00
Speaker 3: the day before I was struck off, I was safe
30:01
Speaker 3: to work with kids. The day after, I'm evidently not.
30:05
Speaker 3: And then that it transcribes that I'm suspended from working
30:08
Speaker 3: with children in bond Blarts pending a miracle because even
30:10
Speaker 3: now my barrist are saying, Look, I don't know. I
30:13
Speaker 3: think this is so absurd, she said, I don't know
30:16
Speaker 3: how we're going to get out of this. It's all preordained.
30:19
Speaker 3: So I don't think as barn door as this DBS
30:21
Speaker 3: case is. You know, I've just read out things here
30:24
Speaker 3: in this letter saying that I've demonstrably done some for
30:27
Speaker 3: the vulnerable kids. Well, no I haven't. That's just a
30:29
Speaker 3: flagrant lie. But they're getting away with documenting it and
30:32
Speaker 3: making decisions putting me on the list that quite clearly
30:35
Speaker 3: on the DBS website states it is for criminals, the
30:38
Speaker 3: worst sort of criminals, and people who have harmed kids
30:40
Speaker 3: and bundlelance we just had. It's not a list for
30:43
Speaker 3: anything else.
30:47
Speaker 1: And it feels like you're fighting and losing back as
30:49
Speaker 1: you say, it's like it's got a predetermined outcome, and
30:52
Speaker 1: I think what you've experienced is the most obscene and.
30:55
Speaker 2: Extreme trauma and bullying and abuse.
31:00
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm glad you're going to take a
31:03
Speaker 1: break because I feel like, you know, I mean, it's
31:06
Speaker 1: probably given you post riotic stress disorder. I mean, to
31:09
Speaker 1: cope with this level of harassment, witch hunting, smera. You know,
31:14
Speaker 1: wherever you go, there they're.
31:16
Speaker 2: There, aren't they?
31:17
Speaker 3: You know, on your having ironically been struck off for
31:21
Speaker 3: harassment and harassing one of the biggest harassments the Internet
31:26
Speaker 3: has ever seen. In fact, this doctor has been kicked
31:29
Speaker 3: out of an Irish tribunal. This doctor as well known
31:32
Speaker 3: for reporting doctors to the regulators. He's just been stood
31:34
Speaker 3: down as the only witness in a fellow doctor's Irish
31:37
Speaker 3: Medical Council case because he's a dodgy character and they
31:41
Speaker 3: know his background, and yet I was found guilty of
31:43
Speaker 3: abusing and abuser. It just it's so unjust and so
31:48
Speaker 3: anger induce him.
31:49
Speaker 1: But yeah, and you're being gas lit so badly. This
31:53
Speaker 1: is a very coercive, controlling relationship that we've got. And
31:57
Speaker 1: you know what you're experiencing is is that the symptoms
32:00
Speaker 1: of that abuse. But please know that you know so
32:05
Speaker 1: many people, I mean, even the media articles I've seen recently,
32:09
Speaker 1: I feel are actually sympathetic to you. I think the
32:13
Speaker 1: only people that are now gunning for you are these
32:15
Speaker 1: these unseen sort of peak powers that have decided to
32:19
Speaker 1: destroy you, but they haven't got the public with them.
32:23
Speaker 1: And I know you're crowdfunding your legal case, so I'll
32:27
Speaker 1: put a link to that because I know, I mean,
32:29
Speaker 1: these things cost money, and it's like you're the David
32:31
Speaker 1: versus Goliath, aren't you?
32:33
Speaker 2: Is that how you feel, you know from a.
32:35
Speaker 3: Except I haven't got a sling or stones in this case.
32:38
Speaker 1: Turns you do have a legal team, and you know,
32:44
Speaker 1: I think we have to try to keep hope that
32:47
Speaker 1: in the end, you know, the truth will out and
32:49
Speaker 1: justice will prevail. You know, I just pray it'll be
32:53
Speaker 1: sooner rather than later.
32:55
Speaker 3: Well, I just say, whatever backhanders are going on in
32:58
Speaker 3: any of these decisions makes I mean, somebody's had to
33:00
Speaker 3: sign that letter off, somebody without a conscience. No, I
33:03
Speaker 3: don't know how the GMC complain and sleep at night
33:05
Speaker 3: for starters, let alone the person who's signed this letter off.
33:08
Speaker 3: But it's obviously had collateral influence on the FA, and
33:12
Speaker 3: we'll come to that, I'm sure in.
33:13
Speaker 1: A bit, but yeah, I wanted to come on to
33:15
Speaker 1: that next actually because obviously, yeah, it doesn't stop them
33:17
Speaker 1: with the DBS. So first of all, we've had the
33:19
Speaker 1: GMC mpts. Then we've had this sort of DBS attack
33:24
Speaker 1: on you, but of course that has ramification. So do
33:26
Speaker 1: you want to tell us how this has ended up
33:29
Speaker 1: with the FA involved?
33:31
Speaker 3: Yeah, So just before I do that, I was going
33:33
Speaker 3: to say about the DBS. You know, normally at these things,
33:35
Speaker 3: when you're guilty of something, you have a chance to
33:38
Speaker 3: fight your corner, you know, a hearing. So at no
33:41
Speaker 3: point of the DBS offered me a hearing. You have
33:44
Speaker 3: to pay good money, thousands of pounds to have your
33:46
Speaker 3: chance at High Court to have a judicial review on it.
33:48
Speaker 3: Same with the FA. So just keep that in mind
33:51
Speaker 3: as we go through that I'm being banned from things
33:53
Speaker 3: without having my point of view put across. So yeah,
33:55
Speaker 3: I get a letter. I was very open with the FA.
33:57
Speaker 3: I've been refereeing now for over a year since my
34:00
Speaker 3: gage up on me. I've been doing well. I've been
34:02
Speaker 3: promoted as a referee I've been doing sixty one matches.
34:06
Speaker 3: I think this season unprecedented figures. I do Saturday afternoon
34:09
Speaker 3: I do blokes matches, blokes football, and on a Sunday
34:12
Speaker 3: I do anything from youth football, all the very engages,
34:15
Speaker 3: all the way down to women's football, and I absolutely
34:18
Speaker 3: love it. It's my distraction, it's my goal. I have
34:20
Speaker 3: a hope to go quite high up because on that
34:23
Speaker 3: sort of ref I just want to first ti I'm ambitious. Secondly,
34:26
Speaker 3: I've been a player so recently and I've got good
34:29
Speaker 3: bands with the players and it's been said, you know,
34:31
Speaker 3: you're a really good ref. There's never been a complaint
34:33
Speaker 3: from a player or a coach. There's been complaints from
34:35
Speaker 3: the trolls. They've been inundating the Cornwall FA from the
34:38
Speaker 3: day I've started. So my refereeing career started just quickly
34:42
Speaker 3: with a ban and that before I could blow my
34:46
Speaker 3: first whistle, I was allocated a game on the Saturday
34:48
Speaker 3: and on the Thursday I get a phone call saying
34:50
Speaker 3: you're not allowed to take that game. Why you have
34:52
Speaker 3: to sit in front of a panel? You've been reported
34:55
Speaker 3: by a trump to Director CARNALLFA. Cool FA had a
34:59
Speaker 3: tweet to them again death by tweet, and I said
35:02
Speaker 3: something to the effect of, I don't believe trans women
35:05
Speaker 3: biological males should compete in combat or contact sports with
35:11
Speaker 3: biological females.
35:13
Speaker 4: Comment would you say, I don't know, but.
35:17
Speaker 2: Other people have said this. JK. Rowling, Sharon Davis.
35:21
Speaker 1: I mean, lots of female athletes have come out, so
35:24
Speaker 1: you're a very good company, and this is a legitimate
35:27
Speaker 1: point of view, which I agree with.
35:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I only mentioned that. Obviously, I sat in
35:31
Speaker 3: front of the panel that was quashed. It was quashed,
35:33
Speaker 3: and you know that was it wasn't even to slap
35:35
Speaker 3: on the rist. It's not just be careful what you
35:36
Speaker 3: put on Twitter in terms of anything that may bring
35:39
Speaker 3: the FA into disrepute or the game into disrepute. Fair enough,
35:43
Speaker 3: So we move on the reason I mentioned that. It's
35:44
Speaker 3: relevant to the last letter, obviously, but we'll part that
35:46
Speaker 3: for a second. So open with the FA, Todd and
35:49
Speaker 3: this was going on. They're all aware. You know, no
35:51
Speaker 3: one ever expected a bit like. No one ever expected
35:53
Speaker 3: me to be struck off. No one expected me to
35:55
Speaker 3: be added to this list. So that I was carrying
35:57
Speaker 3: on refereeing all these matches of various ages from under
36:00
Speaker 3: lines all the way up to veterans and super veterans
36:02
Speaker 3: which are over fifties. Then get the letter through that
36:05
Speaker 3: the DBS decisions filtered officially through I'd already told Cornwall FA,
36:10
Speaker 3: who told the FA, the Football Association. I get a
36:13
Speaker 3: letter through. Quite insulting really because first thing they do
36:16
Speaker 3: is keep calling me mister Cartland and it really gets
36:18
Speaker 3: my goes, this is what the trolls do. They call
36:20
Speaker 3: me mister Carl and mister Cartland and all the references
36:22
Speaker 3: were to mister Cartland and essentially telling me that they
36:24
Speaker 3: were going to put me on a six month interiom
36:26
Speaker 3: suspension from all football related activities. Now, to put some
36:31
Speaker 3: context to that, when you become a referee, you do
36:34
Speaker 3: a standard course. When you go into the room, they
36:36
Speaker 3: say do you want to do youth football or not.
36:39
Speaker 3: If the answer is yes, you go that way and
36:41
Speaker 3: you fill in a DBS form. If you don't, you're
36:43
Speaker 3: going that way and you have a cup of coffee
36:45
Speaker 3: or the guys are doing their DBS forms to clear
36:47
Speaker 3: them to do and the reason they do it is
36:49
Speaker 3: it's for unsupervised contact with children. That's the only reason
36:54
Speaker 3: every other activity related to refereeing is not it's cus
36:58
Speaker 3: as regulated activity, but being if I was legitimately placed
37:02
Speaker 3: on the DBS list for a crime or harming somebody.
37:05
Speaker 3: The only thing I'm banned from, according to the FA's
37:07
Speaker 3: own website, Cornwell and National FA, is from on supervised
37:12
Speaker 3: activity involving children, So I can't take a school for
37:15
Speaker 3: a bunch of kids on a coach. The more worry
37:18
Speaker 3: and think about this is that the Cormall AffA, not
37:20
Speaker 3: Cornwall FA National FA, banned me for all football activities.
37:23
Speaker 3: Now I could be an AX murderer and go and
37:26
Speaker 3: play for the Dog and Pheasant on Saturday in the
37:27
Speaker 3: middle of the park because no one would know I'm
37:29
Speaker 3: an X murder because they don't check your DBS status,
37:32
Speaker 3: so they put me on this ban. Everyone's fell silent.
37:35
Speaker 3: Everyone is asking around at Cornwall FA not getting any answers.
37:39
Speaker 3: Just don't get involved in this case, stay away from
37:41
Speaker 3: this case. Alluding to the fact there are thing's happening
37:44
Speaker 3: over and above. So cormall A FAY is saying, look,
37:47
Speaker 3: Aurham's are tired, it's being sorted at Wembley and I'm
37:49
Speaker 3: getting these letters from child safeguarding officers all the time
37:53
Speaker 3: emails from child and I just I'm seeing this banner
37:55
Speaker 3: come through on my emailing child Safeguarding officer and I'm
37:58
Speaker 3: just like, how is this happening. I'm getting letters from
38:00
Speaker 3: the FA child Safeguarding team when there's nothing happened with children.
38:04
Speaker 3: Now one of the things they tried to ban me from.
38:06
Speaker 3: So the original thing they give me two pages. One
38:08
Speaker 3: is what I can do and one is what I can't.
38:10
Speaker 3: And what I can't do is play. I can't ref
38:14
Speaker 3: I can't do administration. I can't do any learning modules
38:17
Speaker 3: for the FA. I can't attend teaching sessions, none of this.
38:20
Speaker 3: So they list all this stuff and they said, you're
38:22
Speaker 3: not even allowed to take your neighbour's children to football fixtures.
38:27
Speaker 3: So they've stipulated that now that's a parent's prerogative. They
38:31
Speaker 3: stipulate in black and white in the official letter suspending me,
38:34
Speaker 3: you can't take other people's children to football man and
38:37
Speaker 3: I do that every other week. We've got a rotor.
38:39
Speaker 3: I take all the kids from the village to their
38:41
Speaker 3: football trained on Thursday and we share the lifts because
38:43
Speaker 3: we all the matches are spread out. Banned me from that,
38:46
Speaker 3: So again my concern with all of this is now
38:48
Speaker 3: people are starting to ask questions saying, well, they don't
38:50
Speaker 3: put people on this kid's band list for nothing. There's
38:53
Speaker 3: no smoke with that fire. And I'm getting people call
38:54
Speaker 3: me up saying what if you've done to kids? So
38:56
Speaker 3: that's been really concerning. But we've put an appeal. Well,
39:02
Speaker 3: you have to appeal, you put our side in, So
39:04
Speaker 3: I put my side of the equation in saying this
39:06
Speaker 3: is you know you're banning in from things that aren't
39:08
Speaker 3: DBS regulatory requirements, like you can play football. They said
39:12
Speaker 3: I was allowed to take my child to and from fixtures,
39:15
Speaker 3: which alluded to me that I wasn't allowed to stay.
39:18
Speaker 3: So I clarified with them can I stay? And their
39:20
Speaker 3: response was yes, you're allowed to stay, but you can
39:23
Speaker 3: only passively spectate the match. So again I went back
39:26
Speaker 3: to the FM, said I've never heard of active and
39:28
Speaker 3: passive spectating of a kid's football match. Can you clarify,
39:32
Speaker 3: they said, and I've got there's no word ofment. Light
39:33
Speaker 3: says you're allowed to sit in their parents area or stand,
39:37
Speaker 3: observe the game and absorb the atmosphere. He's got the
39:40
Speaker 3: letters in so I could sit, so my son scored
39:42
Speaker 3: a goal the other week. I said, I'm like, yeah,
39:44
Speaker 3: what I've done so and I got a tap on
39:46
Speaker 3: the shoulder. People just think it's ridiculous, and that was
39:49
Speaker 3: active spectating, Dave. It's just absolutely ludicris. But yesterday I
39:55
Speaker 3: received a letter from the FA. They've put their submission in,
39:58
Speaker 3: so I'll put my submission in. The put their submission
40:00
Speaker 3: into the judiciary of the FA to make their safeguarding
40:03
Speaker 3: panel decision. I don't know how they can. What is this?
40:09
Speaker 3: What is this rich? No one will explain what this
40:11
Speaker 3: risk is, what they're protecting children from? What is the risk?
40:14
Speaker 3: I keep saying, Is it that I'm going to go
40:15
Speaker 3: into a youth match and instead of showing them a
40:17
Speaker 3: yellow card, I'm going to pull out a vaccine exemption letter.
40:20
Speaker 3: Is that what they think I'm going to do that,
40:21
Speaker 3: because that's all I'm guilty of. I don't know what
40:24
Speaker 3: the risk is that they're protecting this group from. But
40:26
Speaker 3: in the letter it says I'm allowed to spectate matches.
40:29
Speaker 3: They can't find any evidence as to any risk onward
40:31
Speaker 3: post from spectating. However, I'm not allowed to referee veterans
40:35
Speaker 3: matches which are over thirty five or over fifties matches
40:38
Speaker 3: super bets because I'm asked for that. I said, can
40:40
Speaker 3: I keep my hand in and just do vets and
40:42
Speaker 3: super vets for now? Over thirty five to over fifties?
40:44
Speaker 3: You can't because there might be children around the park
40:47
Speaker 3: around the pitch. So I'm allowed to spectate where there
40:49
Speaker 3: are children around the pitch, but I'm not allowed to
40:52
Speaker 3: referee an overage game because they might be children around
40:54
Speaker 3: the pitch. I can't play for the same reasons. You'll
40:57
Speaker 3: be playing and there might be an under eighteen on
40:59
Speaker 3: the pitch. What do they think I'm going to do.
41:01
Speaker 1: It's absolutely absurd. I mean, this must be way beyond
41:04
Speaker 1: their remit.
41:05
Speaker 4: And it's not supervisor to I mean, when you do
41:10
Speaker 4: a kids match there are reams of parents around all
41:13
Speaker 4: corners of the pitch and DVS train coaches.
41:15
Speaker 3: What am I going to do with a whistle in
41:17
Speaker 3: my mouth? It's ironic, isn't it a whistleblower band from
41:19
Speaker 3: blowing the whistle football?
41:25
Speaker 1: You have to laugh otherwise you cry because it. I mean,
41:28
Speaker 1: it's so sinister. You can see how they're using these
41:32
Speaker 1: agencies and they're colluding together basically to silence and punished discisions.
41:38
Speaker 1: I mean, it's obvious what's going on.
41:41
Speaker 3: The trolls are posting what's going on. They're naming these
41:44
Speaker 3: things before they've even happened, you know. And what was
41:46
Speaker 3: the reason I mentioned that letter at the start about
41:48
Speaker 3: the trans issue is that's found its way. So it's
41:50
Speaker 3: a thirty four page document, and suddenly this letter from
41:53
Speaker 3: a panel that I sat a year ago where there
41:55
Speaker 3: was no further action, has appeared at the back end
41:58
Speaker 3: of the letter saying doctor Carr is transphobic. And they're
42:01
Speaker 3: pulling out images that I've never had presented to me.
42:04
Speaker 3: There was one of a guy at a gender reveal
42:06
Speaker 3: party when the dad's really awkwardly looking on as his
42:09
Speaker 3: wife lets the balloon up and it's a transgender blue
42:13
Speaker 3: and the dad's grinding his teeth, looking distinctly embarrassed. And
42:16
Speaker 3: I made a comment about it, saying dad grow some
42:19
Speaker 3: balls or something like that. That's appeared in the bondle
42:22
Speaker 3: along with the letter, and they're trying to rehash this
42:24
Speaker 3: Dave Cartland's transphobic matter now And it's only yesterday that
42:28
Speaker 3: one of the trolls has used that image and posted it.
42:31
Speaker 3: This morning, so somebody somewhere and he openly admits the
42:34
Speaker 3: FA are leaking information to him. I say him, I
42:37
Speaker 3: don't know if it's a NIM or her, but they're
42:40
Speaker 3: posting that the FA are telling me this, or the
42:42
Speaker 3: FA of sms me this message. And then suddenly this
42:46
Speaker 3: confidential document that no one's seen, the image that I've
42:49
Speaker 3: never seen before, appears on their feed. So there's leakage
42:52
Speaker 3: of information. We know that was going on at the
42:54
Speaker 3: GMC level. We know that's happened at other legal situations
42:57
Speaker 3: that I've been involved in, the leaking of information. Like
43:00
Speaker 3: I say, there's a cross organizational plan to end everything.
43:04
Speaker 3: And that's what hurts the most. It was my joy,
43:07
Speaker 3: my pleasure, my fitness. It was my mind from us.
43:10
Speaker 3: I used to love getting swore at by a bunch
43:12
Speaker 3: of crap footballers who think they're better than what they are.
43:15
Speaker 3: And I loved it, and I just love it for
43:16
Speaker 3: the fitness and the distraction. And like I have this
43:20
Speaker 3: hope of going up the ladder. I've got promoted in
43:22
Speaker 3: quick time, I've done all these matches. I was heading
43:24
Speaker 3: for the next promotion. I get a phone call from
43:26
Speaker 3: the FA saying they normally announced everyone who's been promoted.
43:30
Speaker 3: And I've got a sheepish call from someone who said, look, Dave,
43:33
Speaker 3: we're getting inundated with complaints. So the police are getting
43:36
Speaker 3: all these complaints and they're nfaing them. The fa are
43:38
Speaker 3: getting all these complaints, they're nfaying them. I don't even
43:40
Speaker 3: hear about them, but they're telling me they're getting hundreds
43:42
Speaker 3: of complaints by these trolls from Twitter down there.
43:46
Speaker 1: Basically meets you guilty until proven innocent. It is the
43:49
Speaker 1: wrong way around, isn't it. They're just, you know, and
43:51
Speaker 1: these complainants have the power because they can say anything.
43:55
Speaker 3: Juice is the case immediately if you've got so many,
43:57
Speaker 3: hundreds and hundreds of these complaints. First, I liked know
44:00
Speaker 3: about them. So they had a meeting in the AffA.
44:01
Speaker 3: I've had a meeting called a Laddo meeting lad And
44:05
Speaker 3: on the transcript of the summary they sent me the
44:07
Speaker 3: thirty four page document, it said the Ladder meeting is
44:10
Speaker 3: for high end child safeguarding issues and police are included,
44:15
Speaker 3: Social services are included. It's whether it's in zoom or
44:18
Speaker 3: in person. And then on the notes for the Ladder meeting,
44:20
Speaker 3: it says minutes not to be disclosed to Dr David Cartlan.
44:24
Speaker 3: They're having a meeting about me, talking about me and
44:27
Speaker 3: my risk to these people children of mom Lass. I'm
44:30
Speaker 3: not allowed to be there and I'm not allowed to
44:31
Speaker 3: have the minutes.
44:32
Speaker 1: Of the meeting that they are in Jewry and you're
44:35
Speaker 1: not even able to defend yourself or give evidence.
44:38
Speaker 2: I mean, this is how have we come to this.
44:41
Speaker 3: With a GMC. I did an to the GMC saying
44:44
Speaker 3: I had two hundred and fifty four complaints and basically
44:47
Speaker 3: everyone that they turned down they sent to your responsible officer.
44:51
Speaker 3: And little did I know at that time in the
44:52
Speaker 3: essay it came out that they had three meetings about me,
44:55
Speaker 3: three big multidisciplinary panel meetings about me. I didn't know
44:59
Speaker 3: I was there to represent. These are responsible officers in
45:01
Speaker 3: Cornwall having made ins about me that I'm not invited
45:04
Speaker 3: to or able to speak at to defend myself. I
45:06
Speaker 3: didn't even know there are two hundred and fifty four
45:08
Speaker 3: complaints about me. I only know there were five. If
45:10
Speaker 3: the five that were the GMC case so dystopian or wellian.
45:16
Speaker 2: Those words, isn't it?
45:17
Speaker 1: And you are being used as a scapegoat basically not
45:20
Speaker 1: just to destroy you, but to warn other people you
45:23
Speaker 1: cannot question the narrative or we will destroy you. And
45:28
Speaker 1: I I wanted to kind of move on to the
45:30
Speaker 1: sort of the global picture, because this is going on
45:34
Speaker 1: around the world, and I think it's I've read quite
45:36
Speaker 1: a few articles lately that ethical doctors are being persecuted
45:41
Speaker 1: any especially those who obviously we know who question COVID
45:45
Speaker 1: and COVID jab safety. And I think we can see
45:48
Speaker 1: that we're up against this powerful agenda. They're a vested
45:51
Speaker 1: interests which are trying to destroy ethical medicine, the professional
45:54
Speaker 1: autonomy of doctors and the doctor patient relationship because that
45:58
Speaker 1: is the protection for payations against the predation of the
46:03
Speaker 1: pharmaceutical companies and these other sort of big corporate interests.
46:08
Speaker 1: And I read a Brownstone article a couple of weeks
46:10
Speaker 1: ago by a US critical care doctor.
46:12
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know.
46:13
Speaker 1: Him, doctor Joseph Barron, but what he writes is he's
46:17
Speaker 1: writing about what happened to people who question COVID, and
46:20
Speaker 1: he said that decision to speak carried consequences professionally and financially.
46:25
Speaker 1: The cost was substantial. The controversy surrounding COVID treatment debates
46:29
Speaker 1: resulted in lost opportunities, council collaborations, significant professional retaliation. The
46:35
Speaker 1: economic impact was severe. Some physicians lost hospital privileges or
46:40
Speaker 1: minised overnight. Others face medical board investigations triggered not by
46:45
Speaker 1: patient complaints same story as you, but by their public
46:48
Speaker 1: statements or willingness to question prevailing policies. Careers built over
46:52
Speaker 1: decades were suddenly placed under threat. A number of doctors
46:56
Speaker 1: saw research collaboration, Spanish academic appointments quietly with draw, and
47:00
Speaker 1: professional reputations publicly attacked. The message became unmistakable disagreement would
47:06
Speaker 1: carry consequences. The personal toll, as I know you can
47:10
Speaker 1: attest to, was often even greater. Financial pressure, Professional isolation,
47:15
Speaker 1: and relentless public scrutiny spilled into physicians private lives. I
47:19
Speaker 1: watched colleague struggle as marriages fractured under the strain of
47:22
Speaker 1: media attacks, legal battles, and the sudden collapse of careers
47:25
Speaker 1: they had spent their life building. Some left clinical practicing entirely.
47:29
Speaker 1: Others retreated from public discussions simply to protect their families.
47:33
Speaker 1: And I've heard the same stories myself from doctors and
47:36
Speaker 1: other healthcare professionals In Australia when I was over there
47:39
Speaker 1: earlier this year, in New Zealand, Canada, European companies countries,
47:43
Speaker 1: and I think you and I we're part of an
47:46
Speaker 1: international collaboration called the Cape Byron Lighthouse Declaration, and that
47:50
Speaker 1: is a growing body of ethical doctors who are fighting
47:53
Speaker 1: against this persecution and censorship. But many of them have
47:56
Speaker 1: lost their medical licenses. So I just wonder has it
47:59
Speaker 1: helped you to know you're not alone in this fight
48:01
Speaker 1: and that you are one of a group of truly
48:03
Speaker 1: heroic doctors who have gone above and beyond to uphold
48:07
Speaker 1: your hippocratic oas to first, you know, harmon, to put
48:09
Speaker 1: your patient's interests above your own.
48:11
Speaker 2: You know what comfort is that to you?
48:12
Speaker 3: If any no, massively it's I don't consider myself to
48:16
Speaker 3: be a hero. I'll get called it all the time.
48:18
Speaker 3: I've just done my job. I remember in a lot
48:20
Speaker 3: of my GMC defense was reflecting back to the GMC
48:23
Speaker 3: that I'm following your guidance on due to candor, uninformed
48:26
Speaker 3: consent and good medical practice, and they're just saying, well,
48:29
Speaker 3: you're not following it on social media. But yeah, it's
48:31
Speaker 3: great to know that there are those groups you know,
48:33
Speaker 3: we all connect on WhatsApp. You know, it's so lovely
48:36
Speaker 3: to go to Guernsey a few weeks ago. Albeit it
48:38
Speaker 3: was a vaccine injury conference, but it was just incredible
48:41
Speaker 3: to be around some of my heroes. It's quite nice
48:44
Speaker 3: because one of the things I wanted to go for
48:45
Speaker 3: was to meet Peter McCulloch. And he was there and
48:48
Speaker 3: he came, he left his conversations. I walked into the room,
48:50
Speaker 3: embraced me and said I was his hero. And the
48:55
Speaker 3: next couple of days it's just lovely to It's lovely
48:57
Speaker 3: to have. Like I say, it's a lockstep, sinister. It's
49:01
Speaker 3: not just auve Cartlan. They're doing this too. They're doing
49:03
Speaker 3: Wakefield on steroids, aren't they. And it's an international lockstep.
49:08
Speaker 3: And there's no loa that these people weren't stooped to.
49:10
Speaker 3: It's yeah, but I mean, yeah, we all found each other.
49:14
Speaker 3: We've got the Lighthouse group, We've got lots and lots
49:17
Speaker 3: of connected WhatsApp groups, loads and loads of beautiful messages
49:19
Speaker 3: from people. But he does get isolated. I'm not going
49:22
Speaker 3: to laugh as I'm down in Cornwall in a village
49:23
Speaker 3: that think on the village idiot and just avoid me
49:27
Speaker 3: like the plague. I mean, the problem I've had down here.
49:29
Speaker 3: I was just going to pull up an article. So
49:32
Speaker 3: I've got a dodgy editor of the local newspaper who
49:36
Speaker 3: seems to have gotten in with the trolls. So you
49:38
Speaker 3: look at his follow account, they're all the trolls accounts
49:40
Speaker 3: following him. Seems to have his ear at the moment.
49:43
Speaker 3: So he's posted sixteen articles about me, fourteen in the
49:46
Speaker 3: period after I was well, during and after the strike off.
49:49
Speaker 3: Now I'm no Hollywood actor. I don't think Hollywood actors
49:52
Speaker 3: or musicians or star footballers get sixteen articles written about
49:57
Speaker 3: them in eight months, fourteen in a month. So they
49:59
Speaker 3: had I went out last week Cornwall Live, the local wrek.
50:04
Speaker 3: They call it Cornwall lies, but that's another story. And
50:07
Speaker 3: this went out in Cornwall. They get ten million views
50:10
Speaker 3: a month. So they took basically my posts about my
50:13
Speaker 3: situation from my private Twitter account. It's in the public domain.
50:18
Speaker 3: They use my picture as a referee as the front
50:21
Speaker 3: of the article and they create this headline FA ban
50:24
Speaker 3: a disgraced former GP from refereeing football matches after social
50:29
Speaker 3: media posts anti vax medic David Carlan, who was struck
50:33
Speaker 3: off for harassment, threats and fraud that's not true, has
50:38
Speaker 3: avowed to appeal against the decision. A doctor has been
50:40
Speaker 3: struck off from the medical edist is now prohibited from
50:42
Speaker 3: working with children or official football matches. Derby Carton's been
50:45
Speaker 3: banned by both Cornell Football Association and the DBS. Mister
50:49
Speaker 3: Cartland taken to x to inform his three hundred thousand
50:52
Speaker 3: followers about his decision by two organizations to buy him
50:55
Speaker 3: the DBS band means he's not able to work with
50:57
Speaker 3: children of vulnerable adults and restriction, he says, prevents him
51:00
Speaker 3: from driving his neighbors children to football, and that's left
51:04
Speaker 3: people wondering, well, what's he done?
51:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's a really powerful use of social shaming,
51:09
Speaker 1: isn't it, to try to, you know, again, make it
51:12
Speaker 1: impossible for you to live your life just in your
51:14
Speaker 1: local community, as you know, anonymously, as we would all
51:18
Speaker 1: wish to do. And I think you know, so we've
51:20
Speaker 1: looked at the global level, but obviously the last five
51:22
Speaker 1: years have been incredibly stressful and devastating for you and
51:25
Speaker 1: your family, and I think to be the target of
51:28
Speaker 1: a sustained witch hunt and the victim of so many
51:31
Speaker 1: miscarriages of justice.
51:32
Speaker 2: It must have been really hard to bear.
51:35
Speaker 1: And I know in our last conversation we talked about
51:37
Speaker 1: how it had literally taken you to the edge of
51:39
Speaker 1: the cliff, and I'm just so thankful to God that
51:42
Speaker 1: you have prevailed and you keep bouncing back, because it
51:46
Speaker 1: feels like, no matter how many times you get knocked down,
51:49
Speaker 1: somehow you manage to pick yourself up again, and you
51:52
Speaker 1: keep fighting and you continue to speak out, which I
51:54
Speaker 1: think the authorities must be so shocked about, because they
51:58
Speaker 1: must have thought by now they would silenced you, and
52:01
Speaker 1: they haven't managed to. You're continuing to speak out on
52:05
Speaker 1: next to your hundreds of thousands of followers, and you know,
52:07
Speaker 1: I've been looking at the comments at most of the
52:10
Speaker 1: vast majority.
52:11
Speaker 2: Are very very supportive.
52:12
Speaker 1: You know, you really have got the public behind you,
52:15
Speaker 1: but you give brutally honest posts around your persecution and
52:19
Speaker 1: your pain. I think it's great that you're showing all
52:21
Speaker 1: these documents you're being sent because I think we have
52:24
Speaker 1: to keep.
52:24
Speaker 2: Shining a light.
52:25
Speaker 1: You know, we can't let these things go into the darkness.
52:28
Speaker 1: You're getting well over one hundred thousand views for most
52:30
Speaker 1: of your posts. But what is your motivation and driving
52:33
Speaker 1: force that just keeps you going in the face of
52:35
Speaker 1: this relentless and ongoing attacks and injustices stupidity.
52:41
Speaker 3: No, it's not that I've been asked this question a lot.
52:44
Speaker 3: It's really simple. I'm a father. I'm a father of
52:47
Speaker 3: four children. I do it for them. And actually the
52:50
Speaker 3: analogy I use I think about myself in fifty years,
52:53
Speaker 3: if I lived that long with all the stress and
52:56
Speaker 3: sitting with my grandchildren and my children grown up, and
52:59
Speaker 3: then look him in the eye and this all have
53:01
Speaker 3: come out, This will all have been called out. You know,
53:03
Speaker 3: the Francis Kelsey of our times. I guess you know
53:06
Speaker 3: she was a mad person as well talking about doesn't it. Yeah.
53:10
Speaker 3: I'll do it for my true children and my grandchildren
53:12
Speaker 3: because this is the world. We're only here for whatever
53:15
Speaker 3: eighty ninety years, if we're lucky, we pass this on
53:18
Speaker 3: to our children. And I can't sleep at night thinking
53:21
Speaker 3: about not only this aspect, the COVID scam and all
53:24
Speaker 3: the rest of it, but what a world we're living
53:27
Speaker 3: in at the moment, where you know, people are ignoring
53:30
Speaker 3: safeguarding the children. That was always the pinnacle of my career.
53:33
Speaker 3: You know, I always used to focus on safe keeping people,
53:35
Speaker 3: saying my whole COVID stance has been keeping people safe.
53:39
Speaker 3: And I just want to look my kids and grandkids
53:41
Speaker 3: in the eye in the future, whenever that may be,
53:43
Speaker 3: and then to say, yeah, you used to look he
53:45
Speaker 3: did it. I've done my job. Now to be arsking
53:47
Speaker 3: you is I've done my bit. I'll continue on social media.
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Speaker 3: They can't stop me. I undt get a message to
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Speaker 3: all the time. I say, just come off, come off. No,
53:54
Speaker 3: that's what they want. You know. I've got free speech
53:56
Speaker 3: and I use it and they hate it. I just
53:58
Speaker 3: imagine them, see the thinking what I've we got to
54:01
Speaker 3: do to this guy to shut him off. You just
54:04
Speaker 3: won't stop. And they're not going to get me to
54:06
Speaker 3: stop in that respect, because I will use the platforms
54:08
Speaker 3: that I've got until they get taken away from me.
54:10
Speaker 3: I'm sure they will at some point. You know, if
54:13
Speaker 3: I can stop one person getting the JAB in pregnancy
54:15
Speaker 3: or one person not giving it to their five year old,
54:19
Speaker 3: you know, this is going to turn out to be
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Speaker 3: one of the the biggest medical criminal clinical negligence case ever, unprecedented.
54:27
Speaker 3: That's why they don't want it to come out, and
54:28
Speaker 3: that's why they don't want people to join me in
54:30
Speaker 3: the ranks of speaking out and scaring them to death
54:32
Speaker 3: by people like myself getting hung out to try and
54:35
Speaker 3: having every aspect of their life disassembled. So I've done
54:38
Speaker 3: a good job, but this will come out. And you know,
54:40
Speaker 3: I've got a cigar. I've got a cigar ready for it. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And meanwhile, you really are an inspiration because if it
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Speaker 1: wasn't for people like you, if everybody just went silent,
54:52
Speaker 1: we would be in a much worse situation. Actually, it
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Speaker 1: really is an act of pure self sacrificial love to
55:01
Speaker 1: society and humanity to continue to take all this pain
55:05
Speaker 1: and suffering for the sake of you know, everybody else.
55:09
Speaker 1: So we're really grateful to you, and I know that
55:12
Speaker 1: you are still helping others in other ways. You do
55:14
Speaker 1: have a health coaching business, and you do also do
55:17
Speaker 1: Breaking the Silence podcast, and we'll put links to that.
55:20
Speaker 1: So how can people best help and support you, either
55:24
Speaker 1: financially or any other way? What makes you, strengthens you
55:28
Speaker 1: and helps you practically or emotionally, And where can we
55:32
Speaker 1: find your work?
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Speaker 3: Just keep sharing. So my project really is to expose
55:37
Speaker 3: and keep exposing. So with the break in the silence,
55:39
Speaker 3: the principle, there is you know, a few I've got
55:41
Speaker 3: put all my old interviews just to put it out
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Speaker 3: there in one place, all the interviews I tried to bann.
55:46
Speaker 3: I've got interviews with vaccine injury victims and their stories.
55:50
Speaker 3: I've got interviews with people who are sadly they're all
55:53
Speaker 3: ex scientists or X and HS nurses and doctors that
55:57
Speaker 3: have only been able to speak out once they've left
55:58
Speaker 3: the profession, like whistle blower protection and all that and
56:02
Speaker 3: whatever they call it now is freedom to speak up guardianship.
56:05
Speaker 3: But so that's one. So you find me on YouTube
56:07
Speaker 3: channel that's going well, and there's a sub stack which
56:10
Speaker 3: is called breaking Silence Conversations. I'm obviously on all the
56:13
Speaker 3: social media platforms, growing in followers, not losing followers. So
56:16
Speaker 3: reading to that what you wish. And yeah, financially, I
56:19
Speaker 3: mean I've been really really well looked after. With the
56:21
Speaker 3: legal stuff that's kind of coming to an end. Other
56:24
Speaker 3: than a full judicial review, God knows what that will cost.
56:26
Speaker 3: But I think ourmed set up a go fund me.
56:29
Speaker 3: Today's took me under his wing. He's done an article
56:31
Speaker 3: and he set up another go fund of me for
56:33
Speaker 3: kind of like living costs and lost earnings because at
56:36
Speaker 3: the end of the day now I'm unemployed, unemployed, but
56:38
Speaker 3: I can't even do my minimum wage refereeing for thirty
56:40
Speaker 3: quid a game. There's nothing left. I can't get an
56:42
Speaker 3: uber drub. So he set that up. Bless him, and
56:45
Speaker 3: that's going to be I think, added to the bottom
56:46
Speaker 3: and gives end go for that. But just grateful for
56:50
Speaker 3: the support, the messages every day I get. They're just
56:52
Speaker 3: so supportive. And I only met up with a couple
56:54
Speaker 3: of people from my home town who happened to be
56:56
Speaker 3: in Penances today and just the love and support from
56:59
Speaker 3: people so nice to catch up and put the world
57:02
Speaker 3: to rights and talk about the World Economic Forum and
57:04
Speaker 3: Bill Gates and Epstein I and all the rest of
57:07
Speaker 3: it them. Because it's a very lonely down here where
57:09
Speaker 3: I am as well. I'm quite geographically and isolated, so
57:12
Speaker 3: when your village think you're an absolute lead, the ticket
57:14
Speaker 3: gets very very lonely. So yeah, it's lovely. Thank you
57:18
Speaker 3: everyone for the support, particularly UK column because you know,
57:20
Speaker 3: as you mentioned, if you've supported me with the interviews
57:24
Speaker 3: and all that, and just thank you all for your support.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you are very very popular with our audience
57:31
Speaker 1: and I know that they will all be routing for you,
57:34
Speaker 1: and I just want to say a massive thank you
57:36
Speaker 1: for coming on to UK column again. I know you
57:39
Speaker 1: know you're this is going to be the end of
57:41
Speaker 1: your interviews and I just feel like what an honor
57:43
Speaker 1: that you chose us to give your last interview too.
57:46
Speaker 2: But thank you for the updates.
57:48
Speaker 1: And I'm sure viewers and listeners have been horrified to
57:51
Speaker 1: hear of the late latest attacks to your face, but
57:53
Speaker 1: I think also they will be incredibly grateful at your
57:57
Speaker 1: principled and courageous stance against tyranny. And I think we
58:02
Speaker 1: just on behalf of all our viewers and listeners. I
58:04
Speaker 1: think wish you all the best with your DBS appeal
58:07
Speaker 1: and we just pray that justice will prevail and you
58:10
Speaker 1: will be fully vindicated and I am sure of that,
58:13
Speaker 1: and you have our supporting prayers that the FA will
58:15
Speaker 1: see sense and we look forward to seeing you back
58:17
Speaker 1: on the football pitch soon in your referees kit. So
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Speaker 1: thank you so much, Dave.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me less Yea, I've got my kit
58:24
Speaker 3: ready to go. Now the whistle's ready. I found my cards,
58:26
Speaker 3: so whenever I get the nod, i'll be there.
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Speaker 2: One day, you'll be in the FA Cup final. I
58:30
Speaker 2: just know it, hope.
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Speaker 3: So that'd be good, brilliant.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Dave good bless