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Club 520 - Gary Payton on Michael Jordan RIVALRY, Sonics, Mavericks' NBA Draft lottery · Club 520 Podcast

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  Speaker 2: We definitely got a legend. I don't be saying legend
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  Speaker 2: a lot, but this is one for show in the city.
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  Speaker 1: For sure, real legend. Now we're gonna talk about the
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  Speaker 1: shoot game later episode o G. But you know what
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying, We know you keep the feast right Nike
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  Speaker 1: man for show Black Air Force one.
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  Speaker 3: Have you ever seen those before? I have got a
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  Speaker 3: couple of pair.
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever seen those with the white laces? Because
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  Speaker 1: that's his statement, that's the thing with the black forces with.
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  Speaker 3: The white with that.
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  Speaker 4: But it's all good man, you can do that though.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, I'm going all black laceis man.
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  Speaker 4: You gotta go all black out man. You got a
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  Speaker 4: black that out like it's tent out man.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. You see how you got
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  Speaker 3: that white trim and that ship. It'll work. It'll work.
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  Speaker 4: If you get a fit with the black pants with
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  Speaker 4: the little black white stripe on the run, you'll be
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  Speaker 4: cold in the month.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna get it right with color. So you're gonna
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna do black. We're gonna do black with Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: We don't want Yes, We're gonna imagine.
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  Speaker 1: Make sure we get gp to the black up the
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  Speaker 1: right way to my right, my dog, young not your team.
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  Speaker 3: You will. I'm chilling, bro.
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  Speaker 1: We got a legend of building, like be here said,
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  Speaker 1: it should be a good episode. Come on, man, talk.
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  Speaker 1: Last ship we talked a lot of ship is gonna
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  Speaker 1: be a good one, Yes, sir, what ship talk?
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna do all of the man.
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  Speaker 1: Listen, man, we got a special guest in the building, man,
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  Speaker 1: one of the best ever do it, Hall of fame,
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  Speaker 1: one of the coldest man. You know what it is
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  Speaker 1: that glove gp in the building, big doll. We appreciate
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  Speaker 1: you sliding on this.
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  Speaker 3: Man. Appreciate y'all. Man, y'all nehuses me. Man.
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  Speaker 4: You know I'm no g man, but it's all good.
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  Speaker 4: I love ball all y'all. Man, It's all good. You
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  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. I like what y'all doing, man,
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  Speaker 4: because we got to get our black presents out of here.
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  Speaker 4: With all these avenues that we're doing with these shows. Man,
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  Speaker 4: we got to be the ones that make people understand
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  Speaker 4: that we can do other things and play sports and
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  Speaker 4: all that other stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Man.
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  Speaker 4: We can be all there on this social media and
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  Speaker 4: do it, and y'all do it the right way. Give
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  Speaker 4: a message out to this stuff, man, and let's do it.
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  Speaker 3: Man.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. That's why I'm on here, man,
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  Speaker 4: because I want everybody to understand. Man, we ain't just
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  Speaker 4: out here to be killing and all this crazy stuff
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  Speaker 4: and we aut here for some positive stuff for sure.
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  Speaker 1: It's definitely. Man, listen now this show we love you.
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  Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying. Keep the feats right. You got
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  Speaker 1: some of the coldest shoes basketball history. In fact, I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to skip around. What's that moment like with
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  Speaker 1: GP Fine he getting his own signature shoe.
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  Speaker 3: You know what, that's crazy? Man? That just mean you
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  Speaker 3: know you're doing work. You know you're doing work.
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  Speaker 4: When a company like Nike could come and say, look here, man,
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  Speaker 4: we don't want you just to be in a shoe.
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  Speaker 3: We want you to have your shoe.
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  Speaker 4: And when they came at me in talk about the
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  Speaker 4: glove man and all that other stuff, and then they
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  Speaker 4: said they want.
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  Speaker 3: Me to be a part of making the shoe.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. Usually they just give you
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  Speaker 4: a shoe and say, yo, this is it. They wanted
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  Speaker 4: me to be a part of the shoe and make
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  Speaker 4: it meat. When I did the zipper on that thing,
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  Speaker 4: that's a glove. That's what you zip up and on
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  Speaker 4: your hand, and they fit like a glove, you know
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  Speaker 4: what I'm saying. So when they did that and they
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  Speaker 4: start giving me that opportunity. It was a big thing
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  Speaker 4: for me. But you got to understand, we got to
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  Speaker 4: represent them shoes too. You got to get out there
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  Speaker 4: and play that game the way it is. And I
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  Speaker 4: think they thought that they knew that I played that
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  Speaker 4: game that way, so they gave me my own signature
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  Speaker 4: to shoe. But what was the good thing about it
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  Speaker 4: is that the shoes stuck in everybody. Yeah, and I
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  Speaker 4: had to always think about it.
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  Speaker 3: What's gonna make these people keep doing the shoe? Y'all?
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  Speaker 3: Don't get it.
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  Speaker 4: The women love to shoe more because they can throw
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  Speaker 4: them down and go down with the monkey part when
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  Speaker 4: I had all the different colors in it.
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  Speaker 3: So the women was rocking a real.
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  Speaker 4: Tough even with the men. But it was just great
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  Speaker 4: to have a shoot. You just gotta be blessed to
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  Speaker 4: have a shoe, you.
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  Speaker 3: Know what I'm saying. Jordans can go with that.
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  Speaker 4: You know, Pippy could come with it, Penny Hardaway could
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  Speaker 4: come with it, you know, Ken Griffy.
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  Speaker 3: But it ain't too many Bo Jackson.
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  Speaker 4: It ain't too many people that got shoes and do
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  Speaker 4: their thing, you know, Lebron and all.
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  Speaker 3: Them dudes in a different era. But in my era
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  Speaker 3: them there was the dudes.
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  Speaker 4: That we had shoes and we was pretty we was
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  Speaker 4: pretty cold at it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and to see us standard testing times at dope
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  Speaker 1: part because I remember my brother coming home. I had
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  Speaker 1: a brother's teams older than me. Came home with him
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  Speaker 1: and you first on zipp the joints.
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  Speaker 3: What I'm saying. You see the red joints on the side,
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  Speaker 3: It's like I gotta had him. That was the kick
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  Speaker 3: it off. Yeah, in Minnesota, played them in Minnesota. Did
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  Speaker 3: you zip them down? I warmed up with them down
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  Speaker 3: and yeah, I seen you Jeff going them on there.
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  Speaker 4: Man. It was a pleasure to see some of the
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  Speaker 4: younger guys that come after me to wear my shoe,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, And it'll be cool. When
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  Speaker 4: I seen you wearing them, I was like, shit, young
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  Speaker 4: guys is sucking with me, you know I'm And they
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  Speaker 4: got down a lot of a lot of people get
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  Speaker 4: there with my shoe, man, and it's cool, and I
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  Speaker 4: appreciate that.
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  Speaker 3: Man.
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  Speaker 4: It's always I always look up to the old g's too.
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  Speaker 4: And when you look up to the old gs and
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  Speaker 4: so respect like that, it makes us feel good. You
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  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. And then we treated another different
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  Speaker 4: way with with with the youngsters. And like I said,
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  Speaker 4: if it wasn't for Jeff, I wouldn't be on here.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: I don't really get out with too many podcasts. I
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  Speaker 4: just get out with the people I love and it's
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  Speaker 4: all good for that.
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  Speaker 3: I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 1: Just the counter off that you have any times you
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  Speaker 1: see somebody your shoes like, hey, hey, take them shoes off, nigga,
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  Speaker 1: Like you can't wear my shoes like that?
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  Speaker 3: You put some work here? Well where they giving that?
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  Speaker 3: The money? To me? I ain't You know what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 3: You ain't do it, man. You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: They're paying for them. What you think about it? You
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  Speaker 4: be like, nig you really can't get out of me.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. But that's cool though, you know,
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  Speaker 3: but it just shows hommage to to me. You know
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  Speaker 3: what I'm saying. Even when I went.
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  Speaker 4: Into the cannabis business and everybody smoking my mind strands.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, I can't say you don't
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  Speaker 3: smoke it.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. I can't say it don't smoking, man,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. But it's good man. And
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  Speaker 4: you look at some dudes like, dude, you know my shooting.
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  Speaker 4: You ain't really getting it like that, you know what
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  Speaker 4: I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: But it's cool though, man, because they paying hummage to me. Man,
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  Speaker 3: for sure.
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  Speaker 4: And don't nobody ever grew up talking about man they
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  Speaker 4: have to shoot man and everybody man they thing.
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  Speaker 3: Man.
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  Speaker 4: I came out of open California, man in the hood,
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  Speaker 4: and I didn't never think that I was gonna be
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  Speaker 4: who I am, you know what I'm saying. So it's
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  Speaker 4: just I just respect everything that people get and they
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  Speaker 4: respect me, and it's good.
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  Speaker 3: Man.
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  Speaker 4: I just think that a lot of people look up
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  Speaker 4: to me the way they look up to me, you
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  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, Because, like you said, people used
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  Speaker 4: to come to me and be like, man at your shoe.
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  Speaker 4: When I was I had my mama, my last money, man,
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  Speaker 4: that was my Christmas good.
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  Speaker 3: I'd be like, God, is that real? But it is good.
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  Speaker 4: It's a good feeling for me that I touched people's
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  Speaker 4: lives like that, you know what I'm saying, And that's
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  Speaker 4: great for me to see here that.
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  Speaker 1: And see that definitely, and especially in our community like
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  Speaker 1: this sneaked thing, especially ill grow up hop and stuff
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  Speaker 1: like that. No matter what you had going on, it's
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  Speaker 1: a special moment. Even though you know it's just a shoe.
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  Speaker 1: You just keep you know what I'm saying, where going
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  Speaker 1: to keep your feet safe? It idolized the moment for you.
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  Speaker 1: So I just would like to be an iconic moment
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  Speaker 1: in people's lives. That's dope, hell man.
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  Speaker 3: And you know what I'm gonna do for y'all.
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  Speaker 4: Man, y'all don't give me y'all side is man, And
• 8:51
  Speaker 4: I'm I'm gonna send y'all some of the bloods. Man.
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  Speaker 4: They're gonna be coming back out about another year. Man,
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna send y'all black joints.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I'm gonna see, y'all. I'm gonna gift
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  Speaker 3: y'all man and things. Man. You know, I got a
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  Speaker 3: lot of them here.
• 9:10
  Speaker 4: Man with the Miami heat ones is here, Man in
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  Speaker 4: my house here, So I got them, man.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm gonna givet y'all that.
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  Speaker 4: Man.
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  Speaker 3: Man, it's all good, and we're gonna get off. You
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  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying this to build that how.
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  Speaker 1: It is like you know, you had the own shoot
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  Speaker 1: and then you had the Jordan like peas, and now
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  Speaker 1: to see them re released, you know what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 1: Like you had that flavor back then.
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  Speaker 3: What's that like? To see the like in every avenue
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  Speaker 3: of the shoe. You're still just killing it. Let me
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  Speaker 3: tell you so, y'all.
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  Speaker 4: Y'all know I get at me and Jordan's was we clyd.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, We get at it right.
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  Speaker 4: So during that time, man, it was one of them things. Man,
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  Speaker 4: I wanted to.
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  Speaker 3: Change some stuff that I was doing. You know what
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  Speaker 3: I'm saying.
• 9:49
  Speaker 4: I just got traded from the Seattle SuperSonics. A lot
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  Speaker 4: of things was going in my mind. Man, I wanted
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  Speaker 4: to change my life. So Nike came at me, man
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  Speaker 4: and Jordan them came at me, and they came and
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  Speaker 4: me and Jay Kidd. They wanted to do an open thing.
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  Speaker 4: They wanted both of us to get in the thing.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't really want to change shoes. I said, Man,
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  Speaker 4: let me try it, man, let me see how much
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  Speaker 4: funk I can get in. And it's Jordan because he
• 10:13
  Speaker 4: was getting big, really really big at this time in
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  Speaker 4: his shoe game. And so when they came. I told him, Man,
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  Speaker 4: the only ready I'm gonna wear them is that they
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  Speaker 4: got to give me some funk.
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  Speaker 3: And they gave me some funk. Man. When I went
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  Speaker 3: when I went to the Lakers and the boat you
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  Speaker 3: had here Amas holl.
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  Speaker 4: And, they was giving me some wave colors. That was dope,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So I said, that's doing it,
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  Speaker 4: and we did it, and I stayed for two years.
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  Speaker 3: Then I went back when I went to.
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  Speaker 4: Miami and went back to my thing and won the
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  Speaker 4: championship in my things, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: So it was cool. Man. I want to ask you,
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  Speaker 3: because we've been seeing you around. You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: You always run basketball, which is super dope. What's that
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  Speaker 1: feeling like to see your kid like? You know what
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying, I have a great career in the NBA.
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  Speaker 3: You know what.
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  Speaker 4: I criticized my son so much. Man, I just told
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  Speaker 4: him me it wasn't gonna be nothing, and he proved
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  Speaker 4: me wrong, like what my.
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  Speaker 3: Daddy did to me. Now, what's so good about this
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  Speaker 3: is I could be a dad.
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  Speaker 4: At the first time I was thinking about myself, I played,
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  Speaker 4: and I want him to play that way.
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  Speaker 3: Y'all gotta understand.
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  Speaker 4: Man, it's only one Gary Payton, and that's me, and
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  Speaker 4: I just named my son after.
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  Speaker 3: That's it.
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  Speaker 4: So I told my son, I said, look here, man,
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  Speaker 4: I know you mad at me that we got into
• 11:33
  Speaker 4: a situation where our relationship wasn't really really cool because
• 11:36
  Speaker 4: of that. And I just told him, look, when he
• 11:39
  Speaker 4: made a decision to go to Oregon State behind me,
• 11:43
  Speaker 4: that was a big deal for me for him because
• 11:46
  Speaker 4: I really didn't think he was gonna do that, you know.
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  Speaker 3: What I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: So I tell him all the time, I said, man,
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  Speaker 4: look here, don't never think.
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  Speaker 3: You got to be like me. It ain't gonna work
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  Speaker 3: that way. I said.
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  Speaker 4: If you want to be like be anything with me,
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  Speaker 4: just get your picture up side of it and let
• 12:01
  Speaker 4: us be two legends together. Put your picture aside of
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  Speaker 4: me when we when I got my my number retired
• 12:09
  Speaker 4: or to stay, which he's gonna get his retired or
• 12:11
  Speaker 4: to stay, just put your your picture up next mind,
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  Speaker 4: and then we ain't gotta say nothing.
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  Speaker 3: We can just say we two legends. You know what
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  Speaker 3: I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: So don't never compare yourself to me, you know, because
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  Speaker 4: you'll understand I don't really know if he's my kid anyway,
• 12:25
  Speaker 4: because he got too much affle.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's male man. You know what, mother, If.
• 12:34
  Speaker 4: Be talking on motherfuckers, I'd be like, whoa man, I'm
• 12:38
  Speaker 4: gonna lay up king trying to do all that.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, here athletic man.
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  Speaker 4: But the best thing I like about my kid is
• 12:48
  Speaker 4: that when people come up to me, they don't talk
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  Speaker 4: about basketball, talk about how much good of a person is.
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  Speaker 3: You know, how sweet he is and how good he is. Man.
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  Speaker 4: That makes a dash feel better because I know I
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  Speaker 4: did what I did I had to do.
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  Speaker 3: As a parent, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: I know I wasn't around all the time, you guys,
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  Speaker 4: being at all the stuff he wanted me be at
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  Speaker 4: because I was on his road doing the things I
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  Speaker 4: was doing, and doing everything and other things, you know
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  Speaker 4: what I'm saying. But as I went home, I became
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  Speaker 4: a parent. So when I sit in the stands now,
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  Speaker 4: I look at myself as being a parent. It's more
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  Speaker 4: fulfilling for me to seem like that, you know what
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  Speaker 4: I'm saying, instead of a basketball player. And that's the
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  Speaker 4: greatest feeling to be.
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  Speaker 3: A dad.
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  Speaker 1: His competitor to the you know, defensive without effort. And
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you that trickled down from you
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  Speaker 1: because you're a great defender. But he's one of those
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  Speaker 4: If you could go into a game and score thirty
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  Speaker 4: But his mentality is that he don't have to score.
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  Speaker 4: He can just lock you down. What I like about
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: him is every time he get in the game, he
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: always tell the person, let me guard the best person
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  Speaker 4: on him. And that's what I like about it. He
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• 16:28
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  Speaker 3: The best offender. That's you say. Because be here just
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• 16:37
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  Speaker 4: I missed that shit, bro, I missed that too in
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: my era, man, because you know me. If I'm playing
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  Speaker 4: I don't care how big I was. I'm guarding that boy.
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  Speaker 4: John Stockton, I'm guarding him. I'm going any tim hardaway.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Kevin Kevin Johnson. I'm going to him. I'm not
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• 17:34
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• 17:38
  Speaker 3: Let me tell you how that went down.
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  Speaker 4: Right, two years in the NBA, I got drafted in
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• 17:45
  Speaker 3: I was horrible for two years in Seattle. They wanted
• 17:48
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• 17:55
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  Speaker 4: So when he went the first thing he did he
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: brought me in a suite just like this, and he
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: had two TVs. Yeah, one TV that had me playing
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: as a signing my two years and one TV as
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  Speaker 4: Oregon State. He kicked the TV down with a signing.
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  Speaker 4: He said, I don't get shit. I don't want you
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: to playing like that. Did you play like him? And
• 18:25
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  Speaker 4: what do I have to do? He said, you just
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  Speaker 3: Every day. I tell you.
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  Speaker 4: something about you. You're very big, you're very you're very athletic,
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  Speaker 4: and you got both hands. Because I'm a lefty, but
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  Speaker 4: I'm ambidescri he said, I can go both ways.
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  Speaker 3: He said, I want you to post up players.
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: So he started putting me on the block, banging me,
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  Speaker 3: I started spinning off people and filling people, and he
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  Speaker 3: was like, be a beast.
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  Speaker 4: And then that's what it happened. I start posting up people.
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  Speaker 4: I start fading the way I started doing jumping, start
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  Speaker 4: going in the middle. I started kicking it out and
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• 19:12
  Speaker 3: And then not to start doing it all the time. Man,
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: The dope. Part that you said is that happened after
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: year two.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: We expect so many high draft picks to come in
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: the league now from day one to be polished and produced.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: It takes time to get good. Yeah, take time. Everybody's
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: not gonna be good.
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, You come out because you
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: got to understand everybody up here is good too.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: You're playing against college players with college players. How many
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: college good college players you're gonna play against. You're gona
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: play against one or two every now and then, and
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: then you're gonna play against them in the NCAA tournament.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: So when you get to here, we need the same
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: skilled as you, and we're probably even better than you.
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: So now you're gonna work against us all the time.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: So how you gonna do it? How you gonna be
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: that way? And that's what it was. And then you know,
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: in my era, I was going against a lot of people,
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: a lot of dogs.
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: Man, they had people at it everything that the worst
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: dog I ever played with, and he was strong, was
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  Speaker 4: Miss Richmond.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: He changed because he he.
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: Got me away from being on the Sacramento started putting
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: him on me instead of point guards.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: And he was bigger and he used to.
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: Pound me a lot, so he made me a little
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: bit different and then he can come down and score.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: See what I'm saying.
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: So I was always taking the challenge to go play him,
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: but he was wearing me down. So it was like,
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: that's what I wanted to do, man, And I just
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: wanted that challenge every day.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: I wanted a challenge.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: Who was your best point guard? Mess up John Stockton
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: by far. He was just a little bit more crafty.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: Everybody thought he was dirty, but he was just stupid.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: We just didn't know how to plane. It took me
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: six years of figuring him out. And then when I
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: figured him out, when we beat him in the Western
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: Conference finals, I figured him out.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: I figured out I can't.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: Keep doing the same thing I do with him and
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: try to overmatch him. I got to play the same
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: way he played, and I gotta just every time I
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: pound him, he'll fall and take a charge.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: Then I started saying, no, I know he gonna hit.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: He gonna think I'm a hit him twice, but I'm
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: gonna hit him one time and I'm ana step off
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: and then to shoot a jumper in his face and
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: do everything and then face him up and go around him.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: He couldn't deal with me that day.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: And then when I figured him out, it was a
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: little bit different. And then, you know, like everybody know today,
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: I idolized him a lot, you know what I'm saying.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: He's like one of my best friends, and you know,
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: and it was just I really love playing against players
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: like that, you know what I'm saying, because it got
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: me more of an IQ of the game. And I
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: John Stock and Tim Hardaway, Kevin Johnson, Rod Strickland, Mookie Blaylock,
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: people like that.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: I wanted to play against men, you know what.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: I'm saying, because they gave me more game and maybe
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: more of a basketball player for sure.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: For sure. We got to talk about Oakland.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like we said, you know what I'm saying, it's
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: a lot down to point guards come out of Oakland.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Obviously y'all had a conversation recently on another podcast and
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: y'all was talking about top guards in Oakland and we
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: brung up Dame Lillard, Jason Kidd and you and I
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: went with Dane. That's my that's my class. That's the
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: guys I grew up playing against. I think Simba said
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  Speaker 1: symbol symbol might have he said kid, he said he.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody else says you right, and I've seen what you said.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Your response, I love for you to elaborate a little
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: more response. I see the ship, but you where you
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: really start because obviously, y'all, dame my guy.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: You know Dan, that's our guy.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: But when you started breaking down, like hold on, I
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: averaged twenty points.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: The simple was over there said like yeah, because people forget.
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: Any hog what you're said. People forgot how score. People
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: think about my defense. Yea, y'all gotta understand, man, I
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: was scoring like for eight straight years. I was scoring
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: over twenty points a game. I feel what I'm saying,
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: and then I was getting down, locking down people and
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: then averaging eight assist in three steals.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: Got to understand that that's that's where the game goes.
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: And people don't understand I scored over like twenty one
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: thousand points.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: People forget that. They overlooked that.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: But what I say is about my two youngsters, right, Jay,
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: I raised him.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Y'all gotta understand.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: Jay didn't start scoring until the end of the years
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: of his career, right, so if we break it down,
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: Jay is a better passard than me. You feel what
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: I'm saying. Defender he's not. You know what I'm saying,
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: Score he's not. But he's a great IQ guy. You
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. Dame is my youngster. You know
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: what I'm saying. We can't put Dame in that situation
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: right now because he's not fulfilled all the things that
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: he's done.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: But he's made his mark on the NBA as that
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: shooting and.
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: Scoring, and Dame is a little bit different to point
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: guard in us, you know what I'm saying, because this
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: era came a little different. It's about scoring here now,
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: it's not about passing.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: The ball getting the other people into the game.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: Jason was a better rebounder than both of us, you
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. So it's a little bit different
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: than what we do. Damed and steal the ball like
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: we stole the ball. So it's a little different than
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: what we're talking about eras it's an era thing. I
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: get everybody has their opinion about a lot of stuff,
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: but I just say where they're from.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: From Oakland, you know what I'm saying. And she agreed.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: We breathe that, and that's just the way we're different.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: I'm the o G.
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. So we did a little different.
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: You guys didn't watch me as much, but just know
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: who I am.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Y'all watch me as much.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: It'll be like that. But it was light you're talking
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: about overall is like you said, because I played. I
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: played against him? Why and I understand that.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: I always tell people it's about an era what y'all did.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: That's why I don't like people to ask me about
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: a goat, because a goat ain't gonna work for me
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: because y'all didn't play at the same time as each other.
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: So I can't tell you about a goat. You know
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: what I'm saying. All of us was good.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: You feel what I'm saying, So you just think about stats.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: That's why people go with a goat. They think about stats.
• 25:28
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• 25:31
  Speaker 3: But did he play against him? Did he get down
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: at him like that? Now they didn't.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: Then too many play against Larry Bird, one of the
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: coldest little motherfuckers I ever seen him on what what
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: what you're talking about?
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: You know I'm just saying, man, you know, we didn't.
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• 25:49
  Speaker 4: couldn't stop a skyhooking, and and and and Will Chamblin.
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  Speaker 4: Feel me, they bringing all these records and they talk
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• 26:02
  Speaker 4: twenty two, twenty one, Silver was the same. You know
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  Speaker 4: what I'm saying. So we don't do goats here, man,
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: I don't you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: I don't do goats.
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: So, but the what the point guard thing in Oakland,
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: them three was pretty good. We were us three was
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  Speaker 4: pretty damn.
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  Speaker 3: Basketball.
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: And we and two of us is in the Hall
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: of Fame and top seventy five. Dame is already on
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: top seven five. He's gonna be in the Hall of Fame.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: We're doing the thing. You know, Dame might be might
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: score more points in both of us, But it is
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: what it is, you know what I'm saying. And I
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: think when they go to New York and say that
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: stuff about the point gods, you know, we got the
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  Speaker 4: point guards over.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Here in this West Another it's a trio like that
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  Speaker 1: L a l A got some point guards the top
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: seventy five.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: If the two made the top seventy five, b D
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  Speaker 4: is is about is my youngster? If he would have
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: got hurt, it would have been you know what I'm saying.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: But if we all three, if we played them three and.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: Have been about yes, saying understand though Paul Pierce is
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: from Oakland, California too. He was born in Open California,
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: So we got another time. Yeah, Paul, Yeah, what's that?
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. Paul Piers and grew up
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: around around the corner from me. I grew up with
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: his brother and now he moves from Oakland. When he
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: was eleven, I.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: Can't talk Paul my yeah, I tell it ain't known
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  Speaker 3: like Hill like. He ain't no l a boy. He
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: grew up eleven. So let me let me break it down.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: That's the whare the game go?
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: You feel? So?
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so we got a lot of top seventy five yeahs,
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.
• 27:56
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  Speaker 2: Who like showed you the way coming up in Oakland,
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Like who put the ball in your hands?
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  Speaker 3: My daddy? Really, you guys.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: Get my daddy coached everybody were talking about everybody.
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  Speaker 3: Every one of these guys y'all.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: Y'all were talking about my daddy coaches and touched hands
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: on So they brought me into that. I really, I
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: really idolized George Gervin, who is my stepdad now like
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  Speaker 3: But that's coming up in the hood and Oakland.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: My daddy was the one who put hands on me
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  Speaker 4: and touched me, you know, and he touched a lot
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: of them. He coached Jay you know, Dame came a
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: little too later because he was in a later but
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: he played against my daddy and my daddy's scenes and
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: stuff like that.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: But that was it.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: You gotta understand.
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: We had b Shaw, Yeah, Antonio Davis there, Greg.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: Falls, we had all them.
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: Cliff Robinson a player y'all forgot. Bill Russell was from Oakland.
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: Paul Solis is from Oakland. You done have a lot
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: of basketball player. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: You know that, don't part about that. This that's Pops. Yeah,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: in the city, bro, everybody heard.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: Heard about his dad a lot man. He reminds me
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: of my dad a lot. Your dad reminds me.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: Of my dad a lot man.
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: And my dad did the same thing. So, but you know,
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: it wasn't just about basketball, my pops.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: My pops.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: You score around the school and the DC dudes shooting
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: dice over there, and you say, oh, go there go
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: my daddy's They go, Miss Page's white white, uh, escalator whatever.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: Whatever. Let's jump over fence and get up. Body help
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: because he's gonna get at us. You know what I'm saying.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: My daddy put life in a lot of people. Man.
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: He told them how to cook, told him how to
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: do every other things. And that's what I thought about
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: why I went into coaching now. While I coach young
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: guys now, because I want to make them men. Everybody
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: ain't gonna make it in basketball or profession. They got
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: to understand that their lives is be more and more
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: than sports. Their life is everything because they're gonna be.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: A parent at one time too.
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: And you got to raise somebody, and that's what I
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: always tell them, and that's what that's why I got
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: into coaching because I want to tell them that and
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: understand that you can't always be who you want to be,
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: but you can be who you want to be a
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: different work in a different aspect.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: You could be a lawyer, doctor or whatever and make
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: an impact on anybody's life.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: And we got to understand that. Yeah, and that's what
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: you will take you as well. Big them up. He
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: coaches the Alma mater, you know what I'm saying.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: So the impact you have on them kids, not even
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: from a basketball standpoint, just to show like you can
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: be something in life where you can move like you
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: can have these morals and be successful other avenues is
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: very important because we don't got that much representation our community.
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, and that's what we got to always be big on.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: When my daddy gave it to me, but then God
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: told him to pass it on to me and keep
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: it going, you know what I'm saying, Because we got
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: to catch these young kids because his mental health stuff
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: is really killing us right now. They don't know how
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: to respond to people and say yo, I know you
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: helping me.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: Let me, let you help me. Let me tell you
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: about my.
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: Situation, because I can get a lot of these kids
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: out of their situations and get them into some help
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: programs and do the things that they have to do.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: But you have to give them some support because none
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: of them really grew up like that.
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: They only grew up with a mama. Me and Jeff
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: grew up with a daddy. See, our daddy was a
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: big partner life. Most of the people didn't grow up
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: with the pops like that, So we got to understand that.
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: And most of my guys who I deal with didn't
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: grow up with daddy's like that. They grew up mamas
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: where they can go on the streets and do whatever
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: they wanted to do any time in their life. And
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: my daddy was there to take take responsibilities for him.
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: So we have to understand that. So we got to
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: give them that support. Got to get into it that.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: I definitely want to ask you to uh Sean Kent
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: from our state. He's Indiana, you know.
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: What I mean, our court Indiana, Indiana?
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah for sure, right man, You know, I know all
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: of us want to ask you, man, how was that
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: playing with him?
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Man? Like that was crazy, crazy, what a turn this out?
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: Real ship.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: Listen, man, let me let me tell you all about that.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: Everybody talk about this Live City. No no disrespect to
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: uh CP and them and all, like we were the
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: first ones with Love City. Me and Sean was the
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: first one to get it like that. You know what,
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: I'm playing with him for seven years was amazing. Me
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: and him are partners now in the cannabis business and
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: all that stuff I see shot on a regular basis.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: Man, and playing with.
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: Him and becoming a friend with him is more important
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: than that. That's how a chemistry comes together, and that's
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: how we did it. And people just don't understand I think,
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: And I always tell Sunnis, I said, if we wouldn't
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: have got our ego messed up and his ego messed up,
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: if he would have stayed with me more years, he'll be.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: A Hall of Fame by now.
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Because we'd have made a
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: bigger dynasty than what we did. We were one of
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: the two warner one or one of the greatest duos
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: ever played with each other. And what I think, and
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to get him in the Hall of Fame
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: now for what he's done with me, you know what
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: I'm saying. So I just think I had a blessing
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: to play with a person with that much talent because
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: I can just throw the ball up to him and
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: he would go get it anywhere. But people don't understand
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: how good he was with the basketball and shooting in
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: the mids, in the mid in the mid range game
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: and his back to the basket. He was a beast,
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. And so people didn't really
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: understand that about how much freak ability he had. Man,
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: you feel what I'm saying. He had a freak ability
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: that nobody really really knew that he had. But if
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: you see it every time y'all watch the highlights of
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: all our games, he did some stuff that was so
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: incredible to me.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: Man. I used to be like, Wow, you know I'm
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: playing with this this dude. We used to see the
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: lobs you do it? Yeah, yeah, I usually you used
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: to always tell me.
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: He's always telling me, Man, give me a challenge today, Man,
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: throw it somewhere where I own.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: You don't think I'm gonna go get it. And I
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: was just throw it up there and he'll go get it.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: Was that instant chemistry though it was. It was what
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: happened was in eighty nine.
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: I was in college and he was just coming out
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: right and Sonny's drafted him and they wanted the point guard.
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: And then Bernie Bickerstaff see me, and he said, I
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: think this is a kid that we're gonna get. So
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: he started telling Sean to watch me, and Sean started
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: watching me. And I was in college. They hit me
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: in every now and then, and then they they didn't
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: have a chance to get me at all, you know
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: what I'm saying. And then all of a sudden they
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: food around and didn't make the playoffs and then got
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: lottery and their balls was a chance of what Dallas
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: was this year they get the cool flags. Their chances
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: were twelve percent to get the number two pick or
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: the number one pick, and they food around and got
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: the number two pick. Wow, And I knew I wasn't
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: gonna go no lord and one or two. And New
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: Jersey wanted me, but they wanted a point guard and
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: a big man. And Derrick Coleman was coming out. And
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: then Kenny andershonw was gonna come out next year. So
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: I went and told him, don't drafted you can get
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: Kenny the next year. So I wanted to go to Seattle.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: So they drafted Derrick Coleman and then I went, I
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: went number two to Seattle.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so he was a part of the bullshit. Ear real, bro.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Hein't no way Dallas get that big it happens, man,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Hey man, they crucified my boy and go man man
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: because he he traded Lucas Man. But then all of
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: a sudden, the batn't even worse when all the mothers
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: got all them injuries, and then all of a sudden,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: big bang bang. I went into one of them all
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: crazy Litton.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: Man, pay ten dollars and got a lottery. What I do?
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: I get.
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: Hit for that billion.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: And got the boy boy boy man.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Listen, that's one of my favorite NBA moments, man, that
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: they showing that draft from.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: Yes, I'm like they cheating. Ain't no way it's supposed
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: to happen. No way it's supposed to happen. Bing along,
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: I knew.
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: He was going to a whack team, a team that
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: was going to be losing, and all of a sudden,
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: I said, man.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: You get the at the lottery and hit the lot
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: and then those teams are at the bottom of the lottery.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: He their chances were z it's.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Not fair that zero Dallas to get that pick, and
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: they went to the finals last year.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: That was in the finals, they lost to Boston.
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: You feel what I'm saying, But you know what I
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: feel for my boy Jay Kidd as a head coach,
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: I love it. And then I feel for Nico Man.
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: Nico was my rep at Nike. That's like a little
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: brother than me. Man. He always looked up to me
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: like that. So I feel for him because what he took.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. People don't understand.
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: He's the president general manager. He can't make them calls
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: on his own. Owner has to make that call. He
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: can't just say I'll make the call because he's gonna
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: get He's going to get fired. So all you fans
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: out there messing out him like that, get up out
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: of here with that.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: He wasn't his call. Man make that decision.
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: He made a decision on what he was told to
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: do or what it was it was supposed to be done,
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: and that's what they did.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: So I'm happy for him. What's gonna happen?
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: You get Kyrie back after this injury man, which he'll
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: probably come back in January or something like that and
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: they'll be rolling. They'll make it up there, make a
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: thing ad come back. What it is, get all the
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: guys get.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: Healthy, because if their whole team get healthy, it's gonna
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: be a beast. That it's gonna be a beast.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Speaking of the finals, and we all watched the last dance,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: I want to ask you on this show, how did
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: they feel knowing you going to the finals against Michael Jordan.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: In ninety six?
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: That was great man. You remember I got on I
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: got on cover Sports, illustrating and saying mission impossible. I
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: just won the Defensive Player of the Year, first point
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: guard they ever do it, And it was just something,
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: but people didn't know. I got hurt. I tore my
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: cat muscle and I and I really would and couldn't move.
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: What I did was I went in there and they
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: found to a solution. They found a little miracle miracle
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: thing to do. They got my leg better. I wrapped
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: it up a little bit and then all of a sudden,
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: you know, it's a miracle, you know. So then I
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: started playing and I started feeling better and better and better.
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: Then we got down too much and then I just
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: start saying, let me guard it. And he was averaging
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: thirty three at the time, and then I started making
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: it a pest for him. I started making it a
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: pest for him, and then I broke it down to
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: twenty three. And then what coaches do? They knew I
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: started becoming a problem, so they had to make to
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: solve the problem.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: What do you do? You solve the problem?
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: So Jordan was taking it personal with me, which I
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: wanted to happen. And then you know, Phil Jackson said, nah,
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: let me put somebody.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: Bigger on him and distract him and make it a
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: problem for him.
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: And he put Pipping on me. And Pipping is a
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: bigger player than me. He was six seven, he could
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: be He's mobile. He was there, and it was taking
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: a toll on me. Took a real toll on me
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: to try to score and guard Jordan at the same time.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: And it took a toll on them.
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: And then by the time the sixth game came, we
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: had broke it down the three to two.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: That six game came on, I got a little fatigue,
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, And they took us out.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. It is what it is.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: It just took us out the game.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: But it was just good Buffy, who fast to see that,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: Like that's a hell of a matchup, like to hold
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: y'all against one of the players that we called it
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: go like you said, that situation, that just got.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: To be dope for you in that moment. It's like,
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: I'm here. You know what.
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: It was easy for me because of my mindset. I
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: thought it was always I wanted to play against all
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: the time. You remember they were seventy two and ten.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: We were sixty four and eighteen. Y'all forgot that we
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: were the number two team in the league at the time,
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: and we beat them. We beat them out of that
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: one tent out of that ten. So it was like
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: I just wanted the competition. I just wanted to play
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: the bast You know what I'm saying. I don't straight
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: away from nobody, man, when I play. My daddy always
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: told me, man, let ain't broken and off, get on
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: the floor and get it. And that's what I did.
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: I just went and got it. And he was always
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: the one to take the competitive to me.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, how did you respond when you see him laugh?
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Like I know you are. You probably was laughing too, I.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: Laugh right, I said it is. I wouldn't even Jeff.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't even respected him if he didn't say that.
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I wouldn't even respected him to say anything like that,
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: unless because it's his it's his documentary.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't care. Man. We all knew what the
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: game was and Rusher was whoever. Whatever, it's good, we
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: knew what it was. Nah. Listen, man, o g We
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: are honored. Man.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: We appreciate you pulling up on this. Man, it's been
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: a pleasure. Listen, man, we can't wait. Some things in
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: the works. Man, we can't wait to see that happens.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: Man. We ain't gonna say too much. You know what
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: I'm saying. Yes, you know I got it. I got
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: it all getting it. You know what I'm saying.
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna get it man, anytime I want me on
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: this five twenty club, I'm with y'all. Man, do it
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: a club five twenty Man, y'are doing a great job.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: I told you. I respect y'all to the fullest. Man.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: This is what I want to see and young guys
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: like y'all.
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: Man, get it, man, do what y'all want to do.
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: Man and they always. Man, set a mark for yourself. Man,
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: always when you lead something special with you, Jeffy playing
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: in the league, do your thing. Man, keep doing this
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: with your boys. Hook it up, man, do it and
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: tell y'all need me.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: Halla Mobile Club five twenty out.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: I appreciate it.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: The volume