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- 0:00We should have also been celebrating both teams and we
- 0:03ended up talking about this like sideshow thing and like we need
- 0:08to talk about the sideshow now because it's been turned into
- 0:11something that is worthy of talking about.
- 0:21Hi, I'm Caitlin. Hi, I'm Alex.
- 0:23And you're listening to Raising the Game, a women's sports
- 0:26podcast covering prime time performers, the business behind
- 0:29the leagues, and what the growth of women's sports means for the
- 0:33next generation of women's athletes.
- 0:35We did it trying that new intro on for size 0 only that was
- 0:39second take only. He was going to say like the 8th
- 0:43take, but yeah, that was take #2 I think I did OK.
- 0:45Pretty good. I'm good.
- 0:46How are we doing? I'm doing pretty good.
- 0:49I'm actually really, I'm really excited for the show today, just
- 0:54like last week, I think we're coming in with lots of amazing
- 0:58stuff to talk about. And then we are now in March,
- 1:03how we? Could do a show every other day
- 1:05if we had the time. Did that happen?
- 1:08And yes, March, we're going to talk, we'll start talking about
- 1:11it this week, but we have so much to cover in March.
- 1:16You've got international teams playing, you've got leagues
- 1:19starting, leagues ending, like all the things are happening in
- 1:23March. And lo and behold, it is women's
- 1:27history. It is.
- 1:28So what a great month for us to really be leaning in, having all
- 1:33these opportunities to really celebrate women's achievements,
- 1:37successes, the growth of the game, all that good stuff.
- 1:39So it's buckle your seatbelts. Folks, Yeah, let's do it.
- 1:42It'll be a lot. We want to get into a favorite
- 1:45thing. Yeah, let's do a favorite thing.
- 1:47Do you want me to go? I'll start.
- 1:49I think my favorite thing this past week was I went down to my
- 1:54parents house with the girls and I got to introduce them to
- 1:58Unrivaled, which I'm not sure they watched because they didn't
- 2:00know all the rules. So I think it was their first
- 2:02time watching. So that was fun just to kind of
- 2:06show them that and have them ask questions.
- 2:08And I seemed like the expert because I watch it all the time.
- 2:13That probably felt good. That was fun.
- 2:15Yeah, I love that. I love that.
- 2:17I think any opportunity we have to expose a new fan to something
- 2:21that they maybe didn't know existed is pretty cool.
- 2:26And we get to do that by virtue of researching all the things we
- 2:29do here. And I think one thing they did
- 2:30say is that they enjoy watching women's basketball more than
- 2:34than men's, like, especially when it comes to like college.
- 2:36So it's just like another Ave. For them to like kind of dig in
- 2:39and in the offseason and get after it.
- 2:42Yeah, that's a common refrain I've been hearing these days.
- 2:47Maybe we'll talk about that at some point.
- 2:51So my favorite thing, the US women's national team was back
- 2:57in action over the weekend, but their game was not my favorite
- 3:01thing. We'll actually talk.
- 3:02We'll talk about it. What was my favorite thing is
- 3:07Emma Hayes, the head coach of the national team in the wild.
- 3:12She really makes a point. Any city that they go to, to
- 3:16really go and like get into the cultural elements of that city.
- 3:21She often does it with her son Harry, but there were videos
- 3:24over the weekend of her getting her own customized cowboy hat.
- 3:28They were in Nashville. She got to see kind of behind
- 3:32the scenes at the Grand Old Opry and introduce a a musical artist
- 3:37on the stage there, which is like a huge thing to be able to
- 3:41do. And I just, I love her embrace
- 3:44of different cultures and her willingness to go explore.
- 3:47She's just such like a genuine comes across like such a genuine
- 3:52curiosity for the people in the place that she's in.
- 3:55And that actually really translates into how she shows up
- 3:57as a coach. She is genuine curiosity and
- 4:00care for her players and I think you see that and in how the team
- 4:04shows up. Yeah, and then she gave all the
- 4:06announcers and the pregame show their own hats, which was
- 4:09amazing. And pregame broadcast, they were
- 4:11all wearing cowboy hats, so it was very.
- 4:13And then the best part was at the end of the game, some of the
- 4:16reporters were still wearing them.
- 4:17Yeah, during their interviews. I mean, Emma Hayes gives you
- 4:20you. Got to wear it.
- 4:22Authentic cowboy hat like I think you have to wear.
- 4:25It I think you got to all right, let's dig into the top headlines
- 4:29Flavour Flav to host celebration in Las Vegas in July for all
- 4:32women's medal winners from 2026 Winter Olympics and Paralympics.
- 4:37Nice that he's kind of waiting to see how the Paralympics kind
- 4:40of find their way there and get done and get them over there
- 4:44instead of just like saying it's just for the for the main.
- 4:47Yeah, yeah, there's a really interesting storyline to follow
- 4:51here too, just in how he recruited businesses to help
- 4:56support this effort. And then also his call to action
- 5:00to billion dollar businesses to not just send products to these
- 5:05athletes, but like sponsor them, like be a be a legit like
- 5:09advocate for these athletes, not just a performative 1.
- 5:13So that is going to be cool. I think it'll be fun to see what
- 5:17comes of that in July. Montreal, Victoire leapfrog
- 5:21Boston and Minnesota to top to the top of the standings as PWHL
- 5:25returns to play after the Winter Games.
- 5:27They crush the frost. 4 zeros hard to watch.
- 5:31Oof. Yeah.
- 5:34In she believes cup opening games, US women's national team
- 5:36notches A20 win over Argentina. Canada thrashes Colombia 4 to 0.
- 5:43We'll talk a little bit about the US game and what's coming up
- 5:46in that tournament a little later in that episode.
- 5:49Unrivaled playoffs heat up, head to Brooklyn for semis as we are
- 5:52recording this episode. Winning teams to play for
- 5:55championship on Wednesday back in Miami.
- 5:58So we actually just watched Phantom BC the half game Alex is
- 6:03wearing. If you're watching us win in a
- 6:06in very dramatic fashion over vinyl BC.
- 6:10So the second game is probably started by now.
- 6:12Breeze against mist. Kind of hoping for a breeze
- 6:16versus phantom. I'm wrapping my page Becker's
- 6:19T-shirt tonight. I got my breeze hat on if it
- 6:21isn't clear who I'm cheering for.
- 6:23Phantom versus Breeze is the game we all deserve.
- 6:26That is the game we all deserve, yeah.
- 6:28UCLA, Vanderbilt, South Carolina all won over the weekend,
- 6:31including UConn wrapping up a perfect regular season #12 Duke
- 6:35lost to Interstate rival #21 UNC.
- 6:39Yeah, Duke, the ACC was interesting.
- 6:41We'll talk a little bit about the tournament, but unranked
- 6:44Notre Dame also beat like #12 or 10 #10 Louisville.
- 6:49So there's, yeah, we'll get into that in a bit here.
- 6:51But big wins for the big teams. In women's college hockey
- 6:55postseason play, Badgers, Buckeyes advance in two games,
- 6:58Gophers and Mavericks advance in three, setting the stage for the
- 7:02WCHA final face off tournament weekend.
- 7:05Yeah, I think we'll talk a little bit about that maybe
- 7:07later here. Did you know?
- 7:10At the LA 2028 Olympics, women's soccer is expanding from 12 to
- 7:1416 teams, while the men's tournament is shrinking from 16
- 7:18to 12 teams. Just a little fun factor.
- 7:20A little fun factor next episode.
- 7:22We'll talk about that at some point.
- 7:23Oh, we will. Together and Horizon Sports and
- 7:26Experiences announce 9 to 5A women's sports media venture.
- 7:30Yeah. So this is really cool together.
- 7:33And HSNE focused on creating, developing and commercializing
- 7:40premium storytelling, unique intellectual properties,
- 7:43signature live experiences and high value brand partnership.
- 7:47So another collab they're they're talked about bringing in
- 7:51content creators like the stud buds from the WNBA, so Courtney
- 7:55Williams and Atisha Heideman, who kind of gained fame last
- 8:00year with their pink hair and their, you know, their podcast
- 8:03and whatnot, among many others. And I think this is another just
- 8:07legitimizing of the business of women's sports and understanding
- 8:11that like there's multiple angles where there's opportunity
- 8:15to back. Yeah, absolutely.
- 8:19Get your popcorn. ESPN Original Series NWSL The
- 8:23Final Third premiered last week on ESPN Plus, and the ESPN app
- 8:27follows the Washington Spirit, Kansas City Current and Angel
- 8:30City FC as a battle for supremacy.
- 8:32Yeah, and here in March it's going to be coming to Disney
- 8:34Plus. So I would say watch it with
- 8:36your kiddos like. The expansion Atlanta NWSL team
- 8:40signed a record $20 million seven-year jersey sponsor
- 8:44sponsorship with deal with Aflac.
- 8:47Yeah. So the expansion Atlanta NWSL
- 8:50team that starts competitive play in 2028.
- 8:55So Affleck's already signing up $4 million a year to be the name
- 9:00kind of front of the jersey sponsor for this unnamed Atlanta
- 9:05team, which is really awesome to see.
- 9:08That's awesome. The NWSL has launched a bid to
- 9:11launch a second division in a major signal that the league is
- 9:15continuing to grow. I think that speaks for itself.
- 9:20All right. Those are just a few of our top
- 9:24headlines. There are obviously more stories
- 9:28that we'll get into here. We're going to cover a little
- 9:30bit of the PWHL return. We're going to get into the
- 9:34WNBACBA negotiations. We didn't get to talk about that
- 9:37as much last week as we would have liked to, and there were
- 9:40some major developments. Talk a little NCAA basketball
- 9:44tournament, a little NCAA hockey tournament and get us into what
- 9:48to watch. So let's start with.
- 9:51PWHL Yeah. What's back?
- 9:53I'm happy. It is back, y'all, and they are
- 9:56riding the wave of Olympic success.
- 9:59So setting the stage here, we talked a little bit about how
- 10:03the teams performed. Montreal really just literally
- 10:08leapfrogged right over Boston and Minnesota right as they came
- 10:12back. They won 2 immediately off the
- 10:16bat, really put a drubbing on Minnesota as we mentioned.
- 10:20But the play on the ice great. I think what's more telling is
- 10:25this story of like, how have they captured like the hearts
- 10:28and minds of people who may not have been PWHL fans prior to the
- 10:33Olympics but now are looking for where do I watch these women
- 10:36play hockey? I mean, for if you're on
- 10:38threads, like my whole feed was just like, it's crazy these
- 10:41women play professional hockey where yeah, everyone's like the
- 10:44PWHL and there's so many. I also have ones that are just
- 10:47like, who do I cheer for? Who should who, which team
- 10:50should I cheer for? There's a lot of people trying
- 10:53to jockey for getting more fans, like, hey, come over to our
- 10:56side. We're like, we're the best one.
- 10:58So it's around this time of year that we tend to start to hear
- 11:01about where they might expand to next and well, they might do 2.
- 11:05There's also been chatter prior to the Olympics that they could
- 11:08do 4 new teams. And now I'm thinking I'm going
- 11:12to read some data here coming out of StubHub just based on
- 11:15ticket searches and stuff. But I feel like the league has
- 11:18to be looking at it going like if we're going to do 4IN a year,
- 11:21we might as well do it this year.
- 11:22Yeah, yeah. This would be the year.
- 11:24So we'll see. But speaking on that Olympic
- 11:26effect, this is data from StubHub on ticket sales,
- 11:30purchases, things like that, right?
- 11:32So there was a 50% increase above January baseline ticket
- 11:38searches overnight after the women won the gold medal, after
- 11:43the women's gold medal game and and just to be clear to USA and
- 11:48Canada played in the gold medal game.
- 11:51All 23 Canadian players play in the PWHL and there were 16 it.
- 11:55Was like 39 total players in that game.
- 11:57Yeah 39 total players but there were other PWHL players on other
- 12:01countries teams too so that's cool to see.
- 12:05Searches just for PWHL related events spiked 216% after the
- 12:12Olympics wrapped. So immediately afterwards,
- 12:15right, everything's done and dusted.
- 12:17People are like, oh I want to go like figure out where the close
- 12:21like you said, like where's the closest game to me basically.
- 12:25And then US based PWHL purchases are up 42% year on year.
- 12:31Yeah. That's good.
- 12:32So they're seeing a surge. I mean, we could make the
- 12:36argument that maybe that's just attributable to a momentum in
- 12:39the league, not just the Olympics, but we we can't
- 12:42discount the effect the Olympics has had in addition to that.
- 12:46So there were I think there's been six games total played
- 12:51since coming back from the Olympics in the league.
- 12:54If you haven't seen yet the Seattle Torrent, which is an
- 12:58expansion team, it's the team that Captain America Hillary
- 13:02Knight plays on. She was not playing.
- 13:06We'll talk about that in just a second, But they had a 17,000
- 13:10plus crowd come out for their first game back, which set the
- 13:15US attendance record. There were a couple other games
- 13:20over the weekend where it was over 10,000 fans showing up and
- 13:23then the Ottawa charge had a sell out.
- 13:25They play in an arena that's got about 8600 for capacity and they
- 13:29had 87135 or something like that.
- 13:32So like everyone watches women's hockey and so it's cool to see.
- 13:40It'll be interesting. Obviously this is the first
- 13:42weekend since the Olympics. It'll be interesting to see if
- 13:45that trend. That was that was kind of my
- 13:47thought is what is that going to do the rest of the season?
- 13:50Are we going to see, we'll probably see a little bit of a
- 13:53drop off, but is it going to continue to stay higher than we
- 13:56saw, you know in a in a normal year like last year?
- 14:00Yeah, well, it'll be interesting.
- 14:02So we talked before the Olympic break that the timing was tough
- 14:06for the PWHL teams, but I actually.
- 14:10So the season ends at the end of April essentially they have
- 14:13about two months left. Yep, I actually could see
- 14:17momentum staying with them because now people get, if you
- 14:20get invested in a team and they're maybe going to win or be
- 14:23in the play offs, top four teams of the 8 make the play offs.
- 14:26It's tight right now. Like anybody's game, like
- 14:30nobody's mathematically eliminated.
- 14:33They have a cool rule about the draft.
- 14:35It's called like the golden draft plan or something where
- 14:37like you can't tank your season. So like people have to continue
- 14:40to compete to get good draft picks.
- 14:43So I don't know, I I think it could carry I've.
- 14:46Been getting an e-mail every other day for three-game ticket
- 14:49packages for the Frost like so I'm sure they're all pushing
- 14:52that really hard and trying to get as many people to these last
- 14:54two months of games as they can so.
- 14:56Yeah, yeah. So that'll be really interesting
- 14:59to watch. We'll definitely have our eyes
- 15:02and ears on it. One other quick note, we did
- 15:06learn that there were a a handful of players that were put
- 15:08on, you know, injury list, long term injury or other.
- 15:13So Canadian captain Marie Philip Poulan, who actually sustained a
- 15:18pretty significant injury in the group stages in the Olympics,
- 15:21she was out. Hilary Knight was put on an
- 15:24LTIR. Turns out she played the entire
- 15:28Olympics with a torrent MCL. Yeah.
- 15:31So she's not likely to be back this season for the Torrent and
- 15:36then here in Minnesota for the Frost.
- 15:39Kendall Coyne Schofield, who was leading the league in points
- 15:42heading into the Olympic break, was also placed on LTIR with an
- 15:47upper body injury that she sustained at the Olympics.
- 15:50So that'll be a bummer. It's one of those things where
- 15:54it's like if the Olympics wasn't here or some of our top players
- 15:57would still be playing, but the Olympics were really fun and it
- 16:00was a great yeah. Like, yeah, you wouldn't trade,
- 16:02you wouldn't trade it. And neither, I doubt the
- 16:04players, Yeah, right. They're they're looking at that.
- 16:06They're happy to be coming back into a.
- 16:08League yeah, exactly you're. Not having to wait four years to
- 16:11watch women's professional hockey.
- 16:13Yep. So professional hockey.
- 16:17We're going to, yeah, we're going to talk about this.
- 16:21So if you haven't seen or heard, there was a lot of swirl, I
- 16:27think last week around the men's and women's US hockey teams as
- 16:33it relates to they both won gold.
- 16:36There was now a very infamous phone call to the men's team
- 16:40from the president of the United States who made a joke kind of
- 16:45at the women's expense. And it was, it was like at a
- 16:51very heightened point when we recorded last week and we chose
- 16:55not to address it at the time. And primarily the reason why we
- 17:00did that was because I think Alex and I have both been in
- 17:04environments where maybe your judgement isn't as clear as you
- 17:09want it to be and you don't necessarily show up the way you
- 17:16want to, right? And in retrospect, you
- 17:20acknowledge that. Yeah.
- 17:22Apologize for what you did. Yes.
- 17:25So we wanted to give time for that to happen.
- 17:28Yeah. Because we thought that it
- 17:30should happen. Yeah.
- 17:32And it mostly didn't. There were maybe attempts.
- 17:38Yeah, maybe, maybe. So I just, I want to say a
- 17:43couple things. We went back and forth about
- 17:45this a lot, and I and I realized that maybe this is like old news
- 17:51at this point, but I feel really strongly about this as a former
- 17:57female athlete who has been the butt of those kinds of jokes,
- 18:04who has had to laugh along with the people who are making the
- 18:09joke for safety. Yeah, and as the mom of two
- 18:14young girls and really wanting to see a world where someone
- 18:19speaks up in the moment, ideally, if not in the moment
- 18:25afterwards, owns their mistake and apologizes, it's not hard to
- 18:33apologize. And the fact that it has seemed
- 18:38quite challenging for most of the men in that locker room to
- 18:41apologize is pretty disappointing.
- 18:45So we're, I have a couple things, couple additional things
- 18:49to say here. I, I do, I, I do want to make
- 18:52sure too, that we say like, I do not view this as political at
- 18:58all. I would be upset about this
- 19:01regardless of who called the team.
- 19:08And so I really, I really discourage the argument that
- 19:12like we're making this political.
- 19:14To me, this is actually about treating people with respect.
- 19:17Being decent. And being a decent human.
- 19:22And we'll talk a little bit about that.
- 19:24So I think that this is really important.
- 19:27I'm going to share my thoughts and then Alex will share his.
- 19:31But we need to stop normalizing bullying behavior.
- 19:35I went to dinner with some friends last week and they were
- 19:38all talking about different incidents with bullies with
- 19:41their kids. And it's not just girls to boy
- 19:44or boys to girls, it's boys to boys.
- 19:47And when we laugh at things like what the president said on the
- 19:52phone, we make it OK for those kinds of comments to be said,
- 19:58and even if it's a joke. It has lasting effects.
- 20:03I like I said, I have been in situations where boys are just
- 20:09joking and you leave feeling demeaned, you leave feeling less
- 20:15than you leave feeling like degraded and we just we need to
- 20:22stop that where where it stands. The story too, to me was less
- 20:31about like what was actually said and the fact that we now
- 20:36are spending a ton of time including like national news
- 20:41media talking about the behavior of these men and not
- 20:48highlighting the successes of these amazing women.
- 20:52Once again, a women's team went in.
- 20:56They dominated that tournament. They had historic
- 21:00record-breaking performances. They won their third gold medal
- 21:05and we are talking about the men's team.
- 21:08And it makes me mad because this is a pattern.
- 21:14If you pay close enough attention, you will see that it
- 21:17is a pattern. So just really quickly, we
- 21:20should have also been celebrating both teams and we
- 21:24ended up talking about this like sideshow thing and like we need
- 21:28to talk about the sideshow now because it's been turned into
- 21:31something that is worthy of talking about.
- 21:34But let's talk about the success of this women's team really
- 21:37quick. Team USA women had a perfect
- 21:39record in the tournament. They were not beat.
- 21:41They scored 36 goals. They allowed to.
- 21:44They set the shutout record for both consecutive period shutout
- 21:48number of games, number of minutes like they were a force
- 21:52they. Were dominant.
- 21:53Right, they competed in their 7th gold medal game out of
- 21:59eight. Women's hockey has been in the
- 22:01Olympics for 28 years, 28 years. They have won three gold medals
- 22:08in that time. The men have also won 3 gold
- 22:11medals. Men's hockey has been part of
- 22:14the Olympics for 102 years, so if we actually want to compare
- 22:21achievements, the women have actually done more in less time,
- 22:25with far fewer resources, far less support than the men's
- 22:31team. I could go on, but somebody who
- 22:36has become a role model and icon of women's hockey for sure to me
- 22:46and many, many others, especially over the course of
- 22:48this last tournament, but over many, many years.
- 22:50I actually, I didn't know her, but I went to college with her.
- 22:56Captain America. Hillary Knight said it best.
- 22:59And I am going to read the quote that she said when she was asked
- 23:02about this at her press conference when she returned to
- 23:07Seattle. So Hillary said the joke was
- 23:12distasteful and unfortunate. I think the way women are
- 23:15represented, it's a great teaching point to shine light on
- 23:17how women should be championed for their amazing feats.
- 23:20And now I have to sit in front of you and explain someone
- 23:24else's behavior. It's not my responsibility.
- 23:28But what is is shifting the focus and shifting the narrative
- 23:32to this amazing accomplishment that we all did together.
- 23:35The men's and women's team did it together, and that is super
- 23:38special. It's never been done in program
- 23:40history. These women are amazing, and
- 23:43whatever's going on should never outshine or minimize their work
- 23:47and our success on the world stage.
- 23:50This was the best American women's hockey team, the best
- 23:53American team we've ever put together.
- 23:57When the lights have been the brightest, drop them.
- 24:01Off. So I think, you know, there's,
- 24:08you know, there's a couple of, yeah, couple of reasons they're
- 24:13right around why this was really important to me to say
- 24:17something. I think we need to do better.
- 24:23The reaction online, frankly, to anybody who has spoken up and
- 24:28I'm, I'm expecting that this may come our way too, has frankly
- 24:34been gross as well. And it is systemic of a joke
- 24:39like the one that was told because now what you see is a
- 24:44woman speaks up and says that's not OK.
- 24:47And a bunch of men come into her comments or wherever and insult
- 24:52her looks. They talk about how no one would
- 24:56want to date her or otherwise. They talk about how she's fat
- 25:02like anything but substance, right?
- 25:05And this culture of misogyny, frankly, we need to do better.
- 25:12Yes, absolutely. And so that's why we are calling
- 25:15this out. Absolutely.
- 25:17What are your thoughts? There is not much I can say that
- 25:22you haven't already said. I think that I don't have the
- 25:29life experience of any woman, purely biology.
- 25:36So I cannot say. I mean, I think everyone at some
- 25:40point has been bullied and knows how that feels.
- 25:43I cannot say that I've been bullied because of the gender
- 25:47that I am. So I don't have, I really let
- 25:49you lead on this because I don't have that experience.
- 25:51I don't get to know that experience.
- 25:56I think the, I know that the men in that locker room failed, at
- 26:05least from what we saw, the fact that there was no effort around
- 26:13any sort of apology or any sort of making it right.
- 26:19And every time that they did say something, it was completely
- 26:23avoidant or whatever, just like that wasn't right.
- 26:29And it just, it kind of blew my mind a little bit of, of how
- 26:33they how they treated it after the fact, because like you said,
- 26:36you can always apologize. It's always there.
- 26:42I think the last thing I'll say on this is that the biggest
- 26:47surprise and that I don't know if anybody talked about is from
- 26:52the leadership of USA Hockey. Yeah.
- 26:55That's like they have. Very true. 0 PR people there, or
- 27:02even the people who are in charge didn't look at this
- 27:04situation and say we've got to do something here to make this
- 27:09right, and they just kind of let it go.
- 27:13Yeah, it feels like there was, it was like the initial couple
- 27:18of incidents, right. But then it like it kind of
- 27:24compounded, like there was all the videos from the strip club,
- 27:28like day after and all of this kind of stuff.
- 27:32You can celebrate however you want.
- 27:34I'm just going to go out and say that you insult female athletes
- 27:38and then you go do that. It doesn't like.
- 27:41The optics aren't right. And everybody has a camera these
- 27:46days. So that's also a lesson to take
- 27:49away here, that really nothing that you do doesn't get filmed
- 27:55and then shared everywhere. Yeah.
- 27:57So you got to be. And I also, I do want to say
- 28:01when I say USA Hockey leadership, I don't mean the
- 28:03women's team, coaches and staff, strictly whoever is the head of
- 28:09USA Hockey and the men's team. Like was there not a meeting at
- 28:14all after this happened? So I just want to make that very
- 28:16clear. Well, thank you.
- 28:19I think that's important. So that's our take on that.
- 28:25We did see the clip from the SNL skit this past weekend and it
- 28:29was. It was funny.
- 28:31Funny. Still disappointing that the
- 28:37Hughes brothers weren't the ones to apologize.
- 28:43Just stood there and took the joke, all right?
- 28:47All right. Moving on.
- 28:48Move on here to the She Believes cup.
- 28:51Moving on to one of my favorite teams in the entire land.
- 28:57US Women's National team opened their She Believes Cup match
- 29:01play yesterday at the time of taping against Argentina #30
- 29:07team in the world. US currently ranked #2 in the
- 29:10world behind Spain. We have a couple just like
- 29:14notable things as we're getting started here and we'll talk
- 29:17through the results of the game, some of the good, some of the
- 29:21bad, some of what we will be watching for next week we plan
- 29:25to do. I plan to do a little bit more
- 29:27of a robust talk through of how they looked the whole
- 29:31tournament, decisions Hayes made and her staff made, things like
- 29:35that. But we have some storylines
- 29:37coming out of yesterday. So notable.
- 29:40She Believes Cup is also known as the Sonnet Cup.
- 29:43The Sonnet Believes Cup because Emily Sonnet, who did not
- 29:46feature in yesterday's game. She is a center back for the
- 29:52national team. She has played in every single
- 29:55she believes cup in existence. That's eleven years in a row.
- 30:00She's also amazing. So I'm I'm I'm assuming she's
- 30:03going to be in the starting line up against Canada on Wednesday
- 30:07when we were day of the release of this podcast.
- 30:10So go watch her. She's one of my favs.
- 30:13We'll also add youth really headlines Hayes first starting
- 30:17line up here at she believes. So I think initially I was a
- 30:21little like, what is this starting line up?
- 30:23And then I realized they're they were really laying their cards
- 30:29to be ready for the number 10 Canada on Wednesday.
- 30:32So they were going to give a little bit of the youth some
- 30:34time against the lowest ranked team in the tournament and
- 30:40really under going into it. The strategy that the game
- 30:43against Canada is likely going to be the decisive game on who
- 30:45wins the tournament and then you can kind of see where the cards
- 30:48fall for Columbia on Saturday. Right.
- 30:50That was I think that was my question coming into this
- 30:52section was where we looking at and I think you're going to get
- 30:55it to a stat here about Lindsay Heaps.
- 30:57Where you going to put one or two veterans out there to kind
- 31:00of manage the youth and say this is a lower stakes game.
- 31:04Let's see if we can get out of this with a win or just a good
- 31:08performance and just kind of. Yeah.
- 31:13So they chose no veterans to put around Lindsay Heaps.
- 31:16I think the total caps. So caps in, in professional
- 31:20soccer is the number of times you play, you get minutes.
- 31:23The total number of Caps in the roster starting roster on Sunday
- 31:27was 200 and 72172 of those caps were Lindsay Heaps by herself,
- 31:33which left 100 Caps for 10 other players.
- 31:37So 10 of each, yeah. Right.
- 31:39And you have players who have been in camps, Jaden Shaw,
- 31:42Olivia Moultrie, Tara Rudd, like there were players who have been
- 31:48there before, but 10 caps is very different than 30 caps is
- 31:53very different than 50. So they started in a 442 and
- 31:59that was interesting. Typically we see the US come out
- 32:02in a 433. That's been kind of their bread
- 32:04and butter for the longest time. Now there's different styles you
- 32:07can play within a formation. I'm not going to nerd out on
- 32:10that today. But again, I think we we saw
- 32:15Emma continuing to test going into this game.
- 32:18There was a lot of talk about how like, oh, there's no
- 32:20uncapped players for the first time.
- 32:22And you know, however long since the last she believes cup.
- 32:25And now it's like, well, she's still testing, right?
- 32:30And she should be. We're we are the furthest away
- 32:32we're going to be from the World Cup.
- 32:34They've got qualifying at the end of the year.
- 32:36She is really you can see her masterminding this,
- 32:40masterminding this whole thing. OK, we talked about this in top
- 32:44headlines. They won two to zero.
- 32:48It was fairly convincing. Argentina maybe had two
- 32:51significant chances. We actually scored four goals.
- 32:55Two were called back for what I would say are both very
- 32:59questionable. Offsides calls.
- 33:01I think that first one, the announcer was like, that's not.
- 33:03Offsides. They were both not offsides.
- 33:07You go roll the tape. But like they were not offsides.
- 33:10Unfortunately, the officiating was part of the storyline of
- 33:14this game. And I will always say that if
- 33:16you want to be a good official, you do not want anybody to talk
- 33:19about you, right? You want to control the game but
- 33:23not make yourself the headline. The center ref did not control
- 33:27the game. There was a lot of physical
- 33:29chippy play. There was a hair pull at one
- 33:31point on Jaden Shaw. We saw Trinity Rodman get kneed
- 33:36in the back at the end of the game.
- 33:38And things like that don't happen when the referee is
- 33:42willing to dole out penalty, right?
- 33:45So cards and soccer for those, those actions.
- 33:48And there were multiple times where she kind of like, let it
- 33:52go, let it go, let it go. And then she'd call a foul on
- 33:55something that was like way less harsh.
- 33:57Weird makeup foul that. Yeah, so it was confusing.
- 34:01As a player, that's really frustrating because it's hard
- 34:03for you to understand like now, how can I play the game within
- 34:06the bounds that the referee is creating?
- 34:08You kind of feel like you can get away with anything and then
- 34:10suddenly you do small and you can't.
- 34:11Yeah, exactly. Heaps, Lindsay Heaps and Jaden
- 34:17Shaw both scored. Honestly, I am not the biggest
- 34:22fan of Lindsay Heaps style of play.
- 34:25I never have been. I thought this was one of her
- 34:28better games. I thought she showed up really,
- 34:30really well. I thought she came was in the
- 34:34spaces she needed to be into and and then when it came to attack
- 34:38she scored the first goal, she assisted on the second goal.
- 34:41I do love her leadership on the pitch and off the pitch.
- 34:44I think she's an incredible leader.
- 34:45It's just like her style of play has never really clicked for me,
- 34:50and I really liked how she looked in this game.
- 34:52That's awesome. So I also will say I could
- 34:58understand the strategy they were trying to employ.
- 35:03Argentina sort of creates a gap between their back line and
- 35:06their midfield line, and they were trying to play into that
- 35:09gap and then play out of it. They didn't execute it well and
- 35:13I think that was part of the youth.
- 35:15They didn't have a true 6, which is like a holding center
- 35:19midfielder in soccer jargon and I think that really hurt them.
- 35:24Heaps tends to attack more. Lily Johannes is more of a box
- 35:27to box center midfielder. So anyways, they they struggled
- 35:32to really control possession through that midfield and then
- 35:34break from there. I feel like we saw that in the
- 35:37first like 15 to 20 minutes or so, it was really loose and just
- 35:42not connecting on passes. And then it feels like we kind
- 35:46of saw them start to slowly tighten up as the game went on.
- 35:49Yeah, I do think it got better. Again, that was one of our
- 35:52questions going into this week was like how long was it going
- 35:54to take them to settle? This game proved to take a
- 35:57little bit of time. I would also say that my two
- 36:00other big questions going to this tournament are still very
- 36:03open, which is who's going to play left back.
- 36:06For this team. They had Maddie Dahleen, who in
- 36:08last camp was listed as a forward starting at left back.
- 36:12She did fine. That whole back line what had
- 36:14never played together before. It was I am a former goalkeeper,
- 36:19y'all and I would have been freaking out like they were not
- 36:24the most organized. Claudia Dickey was the the
- 36:27goalkeeper who started the game, played the whole game.
- 36:30She was also kind of newer, like not not too many caps and so
- 36:35just a lack of experience in that back line.
- 36:37We will see that change against Canada.
- 36:39So they I assume that we're going to see Germa and Sonnet
- 36:42paired up in that center back pairing.
- 36:43That is a ton of experience. You're going to see Emily Fox
- 36:47who came in late to the game. I don't think they were actually
- 36:50planning to play her. Lily Reel came in for left back
- 36:54and she got clocked on a tackle. So, Speaking of some chippy and
- 37:00really physical play from Argentina.
- 37:02I was kind of wondering if the obviously we have the 10 caps
- 37:07average of the youth on the team, if some of that early on
- 37:12or maybe even some of the quote UN quote offsides was kind of
- 37:15more of a chemistry factor of just not having that, that, you
- 37:20know, pass to pass chemistry that the the veterans might have
- 37:23out there. Yeah, I think so.
- 37:25There's a little bit of like ageist experience in reading the
- 37:28game generally, and then there's the experience of the women who
- 37:31have played together. Like this was a very like.
- 37:33Where can I make this pass? Is she fast enough to get this?
- 37:36Like that type of thing. So what we're watching for
- 37:41coming out of this, we talked a little bit about it already, but
- 37:45Trinity Rodman got hurt right at the end of the game, I think
- 37:49just as stoppage time was about to start and she was screaming
- 37:54like it. Yeah, I was very, very worried
- 37:57for a couple minutes and then she was able to get up and walk
- 38:00and she was moving a little bit. She had a really challenging
- 38:06season last year, primarily due to lower back issues.
- 38:11She actually, I heard that she talks about in that NWSL ESPN
- 38:17series about how it's a lot of that is just like managing load.
- 38:21So just like the amount of training, the amount of games
- 38:23that she's doing affecting her, her back.
- 38:28And, and so seeing that after she'd like signed this big
- 38:31contract and came back in and captained the team and like
- 38:34finally kind of seemed like she was on the upswing again, it was
- 38:38hard to watch. So we'll be watching for
- 38:40headlines around like what that is.
- 38:42If she thinks she's OK, does she even play against Canada?
- 38:45I feel like they don't. They would need her, but.
- 38:47I don't think she plays I with NWSL season starting, I'm sure
- 38:52that her her management has already called and said like.
- 38:55Yeah, probably not. You're not playing her, so
- 38:59that's unfortunate. You know, she's just such an
- 39:02icon out there, too big draw for fans to come and watch and
- 39:08whatnot. But that does open the door as
- 39:11we talk about like the number 9 now, Trent is not a #9 but she's
- 39:14a scoring threat for Jamice Joseph, who did score or a
- 39:19start. Excuse me?
- 39:20She scored at a goal. One of the goals that was called
- 39:23back was scored by her against Argentina.
- 39:25And so I'm still watching for that.
- 39:27I don't really think we've seen that that nine come through and
- 39:31it was pretty apparent in that game that we didn't really have
- 39:35a consistent scoring threat up top.
- 39:39So we got USA versus Canada. The age-old rivalry.
- 39:45Classic match up here. Coming up here on Wednesday,
- 39:49release day for this podcast in Columbus, OH.
- 39:53This time I believe that kicks off at 5:45 Central.
- 39:58Time. Central Time, right?
- 40:00I think it's those are usually TNT, Tru TV somewhere in that
- 40:04region. HBO Max, Peacock, Universo if
- 40:08you want your Spanish. Some of them are on Telemundo as
- 40:10well. Yes, nice in Canada.
- 40:15Canada looked great against Colombia.
- 40:17They came out strong. They had a disappointing year
- 40:19last year and I think they brought a new leadership.
- 40:22They've got Casey Stoney, who's former English national team
- 40:25player, former San Diego Wave head coach at the helm for that
- 40:29group. They've got a lot of experience.
- 40:31So I think that's going to prove to be a pretty difficult test.
- 40:35I hope we show up better than we did against Argentina.
- 40:38My question for here, and it's maybe becoming a theme with our
- 40:42US women's national team segments, but can we get a
- 40:44podcast prediction of the score of that Canada game?
- 40:53She's going deep into thought here.
- 40:56She's she's got a lot. Look, I I think it goes to pens,
- 41:07so and she believes if it's tied at the end of regulation, it
- 41:11goes immediately to penalties. And I just don't see either team
- 41:18really having the scoring threat.
- 41:23Christine Sinclair doesn't play for Canada anymore.
- 41:26She's the top goal scorer of all time of all people.
- 41:32You got Jordan Hytema over there.
- 41:33But like, I just, I don't necessarily see it being high
- 41:37scoring. I think maybe a 11. 0011.
- 41:40I would be really happy to be proven wrong 'cause I hate
- 41:43watching penalty shootouts as a former goalkeeper, but I I could
- 41:48see this one going to pens. Yeah.
- 41:50All right, Well, hold on. It goes to pens.
- 41:53Who who wins it? You don't get off that easy.
- 41:57Called me out. Look y'all, this pains me to say
- 42:05this, but Canada has one of the best goaltender goalkeepers in
- 42:09the world and Caitlyn Sharon and she's experienced.
- 42:11She's been back there. We've got we don't know who our
- 42:16number one is right now. If we still had a listen there,
- 42:19I would say us in a heartbeat. Woman can stop.
- 42:21She's a brick. Wall and she scores so that's my
- 42:25take on that. Plus, you also have, albeit no
- 42:29uncapped players, but a lot of youth on the USA side and like,
- 42:33penalty shootouts are a lot of pressure.
- 42:35I think you have more veteran leadership on that Canadian
- 42:37side. I hope I'm wrong.
- 42:39Yeah, I hope I'm wrong. I hope you are too.
- 42:41I really hope all right. It'll be hard to celebrate if
- 42:46you are right. You can still rub it in my face.
- 42:52I doubted my team. I'm just trying to be realistic.
- 42:56All right. We're going to move on here.
- 42:57I think we got some more WNBACBA updates and there is potentially
- 43:03a future state where we are no longer talking about the CBA, at
- 43:06least for a few years. Oh my gosh, I think we actually
- 43:09might be close. This might be our 8th of 10th
- 43:12episode where we. Discussed this.
- 43:14One of the big things, right is that the deadline that the
- 43:18league put forth is March 10th, yes, which is next Tuesday.
- 43:22Right, the day we'll be editing this the next episode.
- 43:25And so ideally. They figured out this.
- 43:27Week it actually is done by the time we we maybe are celebrating
- 43:33and agreed upon CBA in our next episode.
- 43:36And frankly, I think regardless of how this goes it, it will end
- 43:41up being a win for the players. But let's talk a little, let's
- 43:46back up a little bit and and get into it.
- 43:48So how we got here. So the WNBA Players Association,
- 43:55we also refer to it as the players association and the
- 43:58union and the league. So this is going to be WNBA
- 44:03leadership, the commissioner Kathy Engelbert and then team
- 44:07ownership across the league, right?
- 44:10They have been negotiating on a new CBA for the better part of
- 44:1417 months. I know the call shoot says 16,
- 44:16but I I looked it up today at 17 months.
- 44:21The last week there were five major things that happened.
- 44:27There were probably more, but there were five major things
- 44:29that happened. So as we stepped in to record
- 44:32last week and we were able to share this with our listeners,
- 44:36the league set that deadline of March 10th and this is so that
- 44:39they can get all of their pre season activity done, which
- 44:42we're actually going to talk about what that timeline would
- 44:44look like at the end of this segment.
- 44:48They also announced that they actually unlocked revenue
- 44:54sharing for the first time in the 2025 season.
- 44:57And what that meant is that $8 million, after all the splits
- 45:01were accounted for, was to be distributed amongst the 13
- 45:06teams. So that is huge.
- 45:11If you go back and listen to our deep dive on the the CBA, you
- 45:15will learn that unlocking revenue sharing is no small feat
- 45:19because there are very specific benchmark thresholds that have
- 45:22to be hit for multiple years. And then there's a divvying up
- 45:27of how those percentages get sliced amongst the league
- 45:31ownership, the NBA and some private investment that holds a
- 45:3616% stake in the league. Half of me thinks that with the
- 45:41momentum they've had, maybe they actually did.
- 45:43But half of me is like, this is a negotiating tactic.
- 45:45Like, look, you did. You unlocked it finally.
- 45:49You could do this again next year.
- 45:50That is interesting, I hadn't thought about that, but I could
- 45:53see that. Although at the same time, I'm
- 45:56like, I don't think so. If you were anywhere near the
- 45:59WNBA last year, you know that it was on fire.
- 46:02It was huge. Like sell out crowds moving to
- 46:05bigger arenas for previously scheduled games.
- 46:08The players also unlocked $9.25 million in earnings, basically
- 46:17from like jersey sale sales and merchandise sales going back to
- 46:20the 2020 season. Which I'm like, how have you not
- 46:24been paying that out? Like how does that work?
- 46:27We'll be talking about those books every once in a while.
- 46:29We we talk about those books in a few minutes here and it so
- 46:33what's crazy though about all of that, the revenue sharing is the
- 46:37league didn't announce that they told the union and the union
- 46:42shared it with the players like you want to talk about like just
- 46:46weird behavior would. It be a win for you to announce
- 46:48that yourself. They're so weird.
- 46:52It's so weird. OK, so that happened then.
- 46:58So the league met with the players union on Monday and
- 47:01that's when they communicated all this information.
- 47:04Players union shared out the revenue sharing thing.
- 47:07Then on Tuesday, the players, all the players were invited to
- 47:12a Zoom call with the players association executive
- 47:16leadership, right? So in these negotiations, the
- 47:20players association has an executive leadership board,
- 47:23seven players that are voted on by the players.
- 47:26And then there are player representatives from each team
- 47:29as well. They occasionally will have
- 47:32meetings where they pull the whole league together, like back
- 47:34in December when they authorized the strike to happen, right?
- 47:38And what's interesting is the players association presented to
- 47:42that, you know, the rest of the players on this Zoom call on
- 47:45Tuesday last week, what the current league offer is.
- 47:50And it created what is what was listed in articles and things
- 47:55like as like heated debate, passionate discussion, right?
- 47:58Things like that. Disagreement even as a word
- 48:01used. And coming out of it, what I
- 48:05could glean was I think some players are in the position of
- 48:09being like, whoa, like we're actually getting a lot here.
- 48:13Like if you recall some of the math, we're essentially 5X ING a
- 48:17lot of these different, you know, salary caps, minimums,
- 48:20maximums, averages, things like that, right?
- 48:24And there's been some concessions on some of the other
- 48:27elements. The expenses we've talked about
- 48:29before. It seems like the league's
- 48:30willing to move on expense but not revenue sharing.
- 48:34And so I think there was a cohort of players that was like,
- 48:37hold on, time out. We don't know if we want to
- 48:40strike. Anymore, Yeah, I was wondering
- 48:41if that strike is still legit for new terms.
- 48:45So I would I would hope that the Players Association leadership
- 48:51would take a revote. On that at this point.
- 48:53Because it's evolved so much, right?
- 48:55If you recall, when they did the the authorized vote to strike
- 48:59last time, the league hadn't responded in like 4 weeks at
- 49:02that point. It took them six weeks to
- 49:04respond to the Players Association's last, last offer.
- 49:10And so I think the question mark that came up in that was are we
- 49:17still good with a strike? The next day, agents of top
- 49:23players reached out to the Players Association and said,
- 49:26hey, you need to clue us in more on what's going on here because
- 49:31we're now on this like crunch time deadline.
- 49:34I'm sure some of them are like, I don't get paid if my girl
- 49:36don't get paid. And so we got to figure this
- 49:39out. And so we need you to bring us
- 49:41in. We also are going to help
- 49:43facilitate this survey you want to send to the players of the
- 49:47current agreement. So I think what happened last
- 49:50week, I don't know this for sure, but that the current
- 49:52agreement from the the league was sent out to players to then
- 49:56review with their agents and create a survey saying, do we
- 50:00like this? Do we not like this?
- 50:01How are we feeling about it? Which is how democracy should
- 50:05work, right? Like they should be doing that.
- 50:07And I think on the table, one of the questions in that survey was
- 50:10like, do you still feel strongly about striking if we just if we
- 50:14don't meet terms? And my guess is like, I was
- 50:21thinking about this, right? A lot of these women are playing
- 50:26in other leagues right now, right?
- 50:28You've got Unrivaled. We've talked about that a lot.
- 50:30We had the Athletes Unlimited League.
- 50:32We've got players playing overseas and there are
- 50:36definitely some players who also are more marketable than others
- 50:40right there. They've got sponsorship deals,
- 50:42whatever. A strike doesn't hurt them, but
- 50:47you have a whole cohort role players of players who just
- 50:52aren't necessarily like making a ton of bank with their, you
- 50:58know, name, image, and likeness type.
- 50:59Stuff. This is their job.
- 51:02This is their job. And then the other thing that I,
- 51:05I read a little bit about from some of the players was like,
- 51:08they've got families. They want to know where they're
- 51:10playing, where their job's happening for the next couple
- 51:14for the next season at least, right?
- 51:16And so they want to, they want to settle.
- 51:17Yeah, I mean, if you're down, if you're a top player, you can't
- 51:20hold out, hopefully make an extra 100, a 150,000, when the
- 51:26person who's a role player can make an extra 40 to 60,000 and
- 51:29be really happy, which. Is game changing?
- 51:31For them, yeah. Yeah.
- 51:33So the final big headline is the just to catch everybody up, the
- 51:39latest Players Association counter reduce revenue sharing
- 51:44to 25% of gross revenue shared. This is down from 30%, which was
- 51:50where we had started and but it's still 10 percentage points
- 51:55off of what the league's offer is, right?
- 51:58And I saw a quote today from Kelsey Plum, who we just watched
- 52:03like. Yeah, that last shot.
- 52:05Going crazy in the in the unrivaled game, man, you guys
- 52:09should check her out. She's such a good baller, but
- 52:12she's the executive vice president.
- 52:14I think 1st vice president or something of of the players
- 52:17association. And she had a quote out there
- 52:19that was like a strike would be the worst thing for everybody
- 52:22involved here. And she's like, I am all about
- 52:25like fighting, continuing to negotiate, continuing to fight,
- 52:29continuing to push the envelope. But she's like, I'm more of a,
- 52:33what's the gain versus what's the gap kind of girl?
- 52:36And like, what have we gained in this?
- 52:39And so if the first executive vice president or whatever her
- 52:44title is association is saying that, there's a part of me
- 52:48that's like. They might be.
- 52:50Really close. Yeah.
- 52:51I think that's an interesting way to look at it.
- 52:54I think we talked about Lab many episodes ago about you could
- 52:58also do something where maybe it's not there yet, but let's
- 53:01set a shorter duration on the CBA and see where we're at in
- 53:05two or three years like. Yeah, like we.
- 53:07Re evaluate. Growth and things like that,
- 53:09'cause we were talking about how the league may not feel
- 53:11confident that the growth numbers are sustainable, that
- 53:14they're just kind of a Halo effect from Caitlin Clark.
- 53:17And it would be good for either way.
- 53:18If they don't, then the WNBA gets to pull it back a little
- 53:21bit. And if it does, then the players
- 53:23can say we gotta, we gotta up again like.
- 53:25Yeah. And then like easy button too,
- 53:27if everything's kind of like working out great and they the
- 53:29revenue sharing. The other thing too is that what
- 53:32I've learned is that in this new model with the revenue sharing,
- 53:35regardless of what percentage split you're getting, it's no
- 53:39longer as complex to unlock. So my, my guess is that
- 53:44regardless of which direction they end up going, there's,
- 53:48there's going to be that unlock as long as the growth continues,
- 53:52right? So that's good.
- 53:55I still do think the league is super shady.
- 53:57And I still think that if you really wanted to make your
- 54:01point, you just open your books. The players have said, I've seen
- 54:06this in podcast interviews. They're like, open them.
- 54:09If we are proven completely wrong in our perspective on
- 54:13these numbers, we will own it. We will own it, But you haven't
- 54:17shared with us in good faith. So like, how are we supposed to
- 54:21come to the table with the quote UN quote realistic deal if you
- 54:26aren't giving us all the information?
- 54:29So anyways, I still think that's shady.
- 54:32I want to call him out. We're going to wrap this section
- 54:34up just by talking about what this timeline.
- 54:37This timeline is crazy. So if they meet that they they
- 54:41backed into this March 10th date because the belief is if they
- 54:46can get a verbal agreement by March 10th, they can have a
- 54:49signed agreement by March 31, right?
- 54:52I think there's 31 days in March, right?
- 54:54Yeah, that's right. I think that's right.
- 54:56So then you can hold the expansion drafts for Portland
- 55:00and Toronto between April 1st and April 6th.
- 55:03Remember, you have two teams that you still have to get
- 55:06players for. Free agent qualifying offers,
- 55:10including franchise tagging can be sent out the 7th and the 8th.
- 55:13So after that draft happens, free agency negotiations can
- 55:17then happen April 9th through the 12th, signing period from
- 55:20the 12th to the 18th, college draft on the 13th.
- 55:23So in that window also part of the signing period and then
- 55:27training camp opens on the 19th. All I know is I am glad I am not
- 55:32involved in this because that is a lot of work.
- 55:34Like, Can you imagine an urgent? Yeah, it's insane, but it's
- 55:37also, I'm looking at this like so podcast every other night in
- 55:41April. We're just going to have special
- 55:44episodes on WNBA signings. This live breaking of us.
- 55:49Teams will grade them like who'd you get?
- 55:53Yeah, it's it's been a trip. But we are very hopeful that by
- 55:56the time, but potentially by the time we record next week, that
- 56:02we actually know what's going to happen with the season.
- 56:05So that is exciting. I hope there's a season.
- 56:09Yeah, I. Really do the Lynx last year, it
- 56:13was so fun. So, and I will say Unrivaled has
- 56:17really exposed me to a lot of other players that.
- 56:19You want to watch now? So let's talk a little bit about
- 56:22where we're at with Unrivaled. Play offs, let's do it.
- 56:28Let's see, quarterfinals were over the weekend.
- 56:31We saw some really good games. I think we saw two upsets.
- 56:36Both of the lower seeds beat the high seeds, so the vinyl beat
- 56:41the three seed laces and the breeze dominated.
- 56:47Yeah, they did they. Dominated defending.
- 56:49Pagebackers dominated. Pagebackers had a night.
- 56:54I hope she's having a night right now.
- 56:56And so it's going to be fun. Obviously they've already kicked
- 57:00off the the play here tonight in Brooklyn.
- 57:03So they took the semis to Brooklyn.
- 57:05I think another testing ground for the for unrivaled in
- 57:09different markets, right. I heard before we started
- 57:13recording that they had a near sell out crowd of 18,261 at the
- 57:19game and it was rocking. So a little bit less than what
- 57:23they had in Philly. I think Philly was a little over
- 57:2521,000, but it was a higher capacity arena, Buckleys, Holtz
- 57:28about 18,000. So that is fun to see.
- 57:32Barclays in Brooklyn, also the home of the New York Liberty.
- 57:35So I think Brianna Stewart, one of the Co founders of Unrivaled,
- 57:39she kind of got to kick off the events tonight.
- 57:43They had Sabrina Anescu, who's a star guard for the Liberty.
- 57:47On the call. On the call.
- 57:48No, she was on the call. Tonight.
- 57:51So we will be watching the final.
- 57:57Wednesday night. Wednesday night, yes, they will
- 58:00be back in Miami. We'll find out afterward.
- 58:04We get. Off the mic here, who was in it?
- 58:07I I think the one thing I wanted to say about this whole season
- 58:10is like it was very interesting where the teams all fell and
- 58:14that we had this. I don't know if it was like we
- 58:17have kind of true parody in that league or it was just kind of
- 58:21how things fell perfectly that we didn't know the last seed
- 58:24until like essentially the final day of the regular season, which
- 58:27is wild. Yeah, and, and anyone could win
- 58:29on any night. It was kind of, it was
- 58:31surprising. Like you, you tend to think in
- 58:35leagues, even smaller leagues, that there's like one or two
- 58:38teams that are completely dominant.
- 58:40And the Phantom even weren't that dominant until halfway
- 58:44through the season. They were struggling at the
- 58:45beginning and they kind of found their groove.
- 58:49So yeah, I mean, I think it's part of it's the parody.
- 58:51We were talking about this too. It's like any given night you're
- 58:56literally watching Olympians, like 4 or 5 or 6 Olympians on
- 59:01the court between the two teams. And so tell me where else you
- 59:06can do that. So we are unrivaled fans for
- 59:12life now. I think next year we're going to
- 59:14have to try to figure out a trip down to.
- 59:16Miami 100%. Watch Watch these ladies fall
- 59:19out live. Stick.
- 59:22In a ball. NCAA basketball tourney is
- 59:25beginning soon. We have conference conference
- 59:30finals coming up this next weekend or this weekend
- 59:32actually. Yes, yeah.
- 59:33I think the official national tournament will start like next
- 59:38Wednesday if there's some play in games, something like that.
- 59:41But conference tourneys are kind of where March Madness starts,
- 59:47and we have a few where we're going to be.
- 59:51We're just going to have. It on the weekend?
- 59:52Yeah, it's going to be all weekend here.
- 59:55Which ones do you think we should be watching?
- 59:58I mean, I think it's the Big 10 and and the SEC are the big ones
- 1:00:00here. I like how the Big East puts
- 1:00:04their by the championship on Monday night.
- 1:00:07Like there's some big deal with their one ranked team which we
- 1:00:12all know is going to win anyways.
- 1:00:13I know I was, I wrote in our notes.
- 1:00:16Excuse me, I wrote in our notes. I was like, you don't even need
- 1:00:19to watch the Big East. That Yukon will win, that they
- 1:00:22they're undefeated. Yeah, they're beating teams
- 1:00:24regularly by 30 points. It's, it's like not even funny.
- 1:00:28We will actually talk about like who do we think could, could
- 1:00:31challenge them here in a second? What one thing that I think will
- 1:00:35be interesting. So if you go watch the SEC,
- 1:00:38they've got 9 top 25 teams right now.
- 1:00:41That is going to be a bloodbath, frankly.
- 1:00:43Like really, really good teams. You've got Texas in there,
- 1:00:47you've got South Carolina, you've got Vanderbilt, like
- 1:00:50really quality play. And then in the Big 10 side,
- 1:00:53you've got 725 teams. I mean, together right there,
- 1:00:56that's 16 of the top 25 teams between those two conferences.
- 1:01:02What's interesting though, we called this out in top
- 1:01:05headlines, The ACC in my mind, could be completely up for
- 1:01:09grabs. Like you have some ranked teams,
- 1:01:13right? You've got Duke, you've got
- 1:01:14North Carolina, you've got Louisville.
- 1:01:16But like I we talked about before, unranked Notre Dame, who
- 1:01:20has one of the best players in the country, and Hannah Hidalgo
- 1:01:22on that team, beat #10 Louisville.
- 1:01:25Over the weekend, Duke got upset by UNC.
- 1:01:29Yeah. And I mean, I, I don't know the
- 1:01:31exact rankings, but I would assume a lot of those rankings
- 1:01:34in the ACC are probably lower like 10 and up 10 to up to 25
- 1:01:40more than anything. So you get to that point, it's
- 1:01:43kind of is like a any, any game, anybody's game, anybody's game.
- 1:01:46So that one could be interesting to watch too.
- 1:01:50I I just, it's, it's that's a hard one to predict.
- 1:01:54And then the SECI think what's interesting too coming out of
- 1:01:57these conference tournaments is, you know, Uconn's not really
- 1:02:01going to get tested, at least not in the way that some of
- 1:02:05these other teams are. Whereas like South Carolina is
- 1:02:07going to have to battle through eight other rank, I mean, not
- 1:02:10play all of them, but like, you know what I mean, other ranked
- 1:02:13teams, UCLA is going to have to battle through that in the Big
- 1:02:1610. So I will say one more note just
- 1:02:20on UConn, right? We were talking about this, We
- 1:02:22were watching them last night and they win by a lot.
- 1:02:28They're so disciplined and so well coached, but they get
- 1:02:33everyone's best game because everyone wants to be the team
- 1:02:39that says I beat UConn. Yeah, You would kind of think
- 1:02:42that the way that they dominate, that they're not getting
- 1:02:46challenged in a way that is going to prepare them for the
- 1:02:50tournament. But if you're up against them,
- 1:02:53you want to be the winner and and you're just going to go hard
- 1:02:56against them as as hard as you can.
- 1:02:58Yeah. All right.
- 1:03:01So we've talked, I think we've kind of alluded to like top
- 1:03:04contenders for the tournament. I think, you know, Yukon is
- 1:03:10likely to continue on their magical run.
- 1:03:13I think a team that could really challenge them is UCLA.
- 1:03:18They have another kind of different discipline, but of
- 1:03:22discipline team. They've got Lauren Betts, who's
- 1:03:24a senior. She played in the tournament
- 1:03:26last year. She's got size that I don't know
- 1:03:30if Yukon Sarah Strong, as good as she is, can really like if
- 1:03:37Lauren Betts is on and can really get Sarah Strong off her
- 1:03:40block and off her position. Like that could be challenging,
- 1:03:43right? They've got a match up for
- 1:03:46Arizona Fudd and Kiki Rice. Like I think there's ways that
- 1:03:50they match up pretty well with the Huskies.
- 1:03:53Outside of that. I don't even think, like, I
- 1:03:59mean, South Carolina's going to bring it to you, 'cause I mean
- 1:04:02Don Staley, just like that's her DNA.
- 1:04:04That's how it works, but. They don't have the same level
- 1:04:08of discipline. Like that's the thing with
- 1:04:10Gino's teams, like they're so disciplined.
- 1:04:13And like they were talking to AZ after the game yesterday and
- 1:04:18they brought up something about how like, practice is really
- 1:04:23hard in AU Conn Jersey. Practice is harder than some of
- 1:04:29the games, right? And Gino does that on purpose.
- 1:04:32There's a reason. So I I expect that we're going
- 1:04:37to see another national championship for the Huskies,
- 1:04:40but they got to earn it. Yep, they do.
- 1:04:43Everyone's got to go through the same tournament.
- 1:04:46A couple players to keep your eye on as you head into
- 1:04:48conference tournaments this weekend.
- 1:04:51Michaela Blakes plays for Vanderbilt.
- 1:04:53I've watched her play a couple times this season.
- 1:04:55She's incredible. She has put up 30 points per
- 1:04:59game in SEC play, which is we just talked about how
- 1:05:02competitive that league is. She's averaging 27 points per
- 1:05:05game, leading the nation in scoring.
- 1:05:08She can get it anywhere, right? Threes, twos, drive to the
- 1:05:11bucket, pull up mid range, like anything.
- 1:05:14What really impressed me in the game I watched over the weekend
- 1:05:17was her defense though. Like you think of these players
- 1:05:19as scorers and like I thought she did a really good job of
- 1:05:23disrupting play, getting people off their spaces, things like
- 1:05:27that. So we already mentioned her, but
- 1:05:29AZ Fudd, the five fifth year senior, likely top WNBA draft
- 1:05:35pick out of UConn, Madison Booker from Texas.
- 1:05:41She's so clean, like just such a clean style of play.
- 1:05:46Her mid range game is fire, which that's always really tough
- 1:05:50to. Guard.
- 1:05:52She's got a lot of length, so it's effective defensively to
- 1:05:56talked about Hannah Hidalgo top three in the nation in scoring.
- 1:06:00She leads the nation and steals. I think she had a game over the
- 1:06:03week, the game against Louisville, she had like 30
- 1:06:06points, 10 rebounds, 8 assists, 5 steals.
- 1:06:08Like that's a. That's wild.
- 1:06:11And then Sarah Strong, we mentioned from UConn, right?
- 1:06:15So she's their big post presence.
- 1:06:17She's really versatile. She can shoot from three as
- 1:06:20well. We saw her lighted up last year
- 1:06:22in the tournament and then I threw, I threw Fly J on here.
- 1:06:27So Fly J's a senior. Fly J Johnson from LSU, she's a
- 1:06:31senior. She's got a little bit of a chip
- 1:06:33on her shoulder always for whatever reason.
- 1:06:36And I just see like she comes alive in tournament time.
- 1:06:40LSU is always a great program. They've got Kim Mulkey.
- 1:06:44At the helm. You can never count her out of
- 1:06:47anything. You can definitely count on her
- 1:06:49to yell a few. Things at you, but.
- 1:06:53It's good cinema, so keep an eye on those players on those teams.
- 1:06:57We're really looking forward to it.
- 1:06:59All weekend so. We will do a bracket.
- 1:07:02We'll get one out there. We'll do a competition.
- 1:07:04We'll each do our own. We'll do a competition, we'll
- 1:07:08post some updates for y'all so you can play along with us if
- 1:07:11you want to all. Right, all right, on to what to
- 1:07:13watch. What to watch?
- 1:07:16Because we haven't told you enough.
- 1:07:17Yes. We have the Para Olympics Don't
- 1:07:20sleep on the Para Olympics kicking off March 6 until March
- 1:07:2515th, but with wheelchair curling starting on the 4th I
- 1:07:31believe. Yeah, release day.
- 1:07:32Yes. And you can find these on I
- 1:07:36think NBC and Peacock is kind of doing very similar type
- 1:07:39coverage. So kind of however you watched
- 1:07:41it, the regular Olympics, these will be in the same spot there.
- 1:07:45Nice, nice. We have some athletes here to
- 1:07:51look for. We have Lori Stevens, a five
- 1:07:53times Paralympian, seven time medalist on Para Alpine.
- 1:07:58Yeah, I think she was like a top medal winner in Alpine, Para
- 1:08:03Alpine for all, like men or women, so.
- 1:08:08We have Brenna Huckabee, 3 time gold medalist in Paris.
- 1:08:11Snowboarding one more makes her the most gold medal wins in the
- 1:08:14discipline. Amazing.
- 1:08:16So that'll be fun to watch. Oksana Masters most decorated US
- 1:08:20Paralympian returns to para biathlon and para cross country
- 1:08:24skiing. I, I can't do this normally.
- 1:08:28So like the the strength of these people have to just to go
- 1:08:32out there and do that is just amazing to me.
- 1:08:35Yeah, I think we talked a lot about like the mental toughness
- 1:08:38of the athletes in the Olympics, right, a few weeks ago and like
- 1:08:44want to talk about grit and mental toughness.
- 1:08:46Like these folks for whatever reason, right, have have
- 1:08:51disabilities, motor disabilities, neurological in
- 1:08:55some cases. And so it's incredible to think
- 1:08:59what they've overcome to be able to compete and and all the
- 1:09:05competitors, right, who are who are coming up.
- 1:09:08So put forth a fight for sure. All right, we have Kendall
- 1:09:12Gretsch, first American woman to win a pair of biathlon gold
- 1:09:15medal, and we have Oyuna Orachi, Meg, it's.
- 1:09:21Pretty good. Started competing in Para
- 1:09:23currently at 43 and is now 52 and back for her second
- 1:09:26Paralympics, aiming for a medal. Here we go.
- 1:09:29You can't count us out. You could always be there.
- 1:09:33I watched actually the most incredible curling shot from
- 1:09:37apparel. I think I saw, I saw that one,
- 1:09:39yeah. Crazy.
- 1:09:41She like did a perfect little push.
- 1:09:43So they like do it cuz they're in wheelchairs.
- 1:09:45They kind of push the stone. Obviously they can't.
- 1:09:47Yeah, put it on. And so they push it.
- 1:09:50And she did like this perfect little bump and then it landed.
- 1:09:53Like right in the center, dead center.
- 1:09:55Right on the button it was so. Exciting.
- 1:09:57It was amazing. I thought I was done with
- 1:09:58curling but. Nope, we're back.
- 1:10:00Back into it maybe? All right, moving on to Shiba
- 1:10:02Leaves Cup, we've talked about this Wednesday, 5:45 PM central
- 1:10:06against Canada on TNT, TRU, TVHBO, Peacock and Universal,
- 1:10:12and then Saturday at 2:30 PM central against Columbia on all
- 1:10:17the same channels. Yes.
- 1:10:20All right, NCAA hockey, we are into the semifinals and finals
- 1:10:23for the conferences. For the women's conferences,
- 1:10:29WCHA can be found on Big 10 Network this weekend, starting
- 1:10:33Thursday evening, we're going to have Minnesota #13 Minnesota
- 1:10:36State take on your my #13 Minnesota State.
- 1:10:40They got your #1 Wisconsin. These are no longer best of
- 1:10:45games. This is 1 and done so I was.
- 1:10:49I was talking to the girls about this today when I was bringing
- 1:10:52them to swimming lessons and they were like, but what if The
- 1:10:56Mavericks win mom? And I was like, well, that would
- 1:10:59be amazing. Like we are very much fans of
- 1:11:03Minnesota State Mavericks, but I it's highly unlikely and, and
- 1:11:08our oldest kept being like, but what if they do?
- 1:11:10And I was like, you know what, that's the beauty of sports.
- 1:11:14Anyone can win on any given night.
- 1:11:16You just need a couple bounces and you got to go out and play
- 1:11:18hard so. And yeah, you, you talk, you
- 1:11:21said the right things. If I would have said that to
- 1:11:23you, it would have been like, Nah, I'm open to it.
- 1:11:27I I have a personal connections on that team.
- 1:11:30I don't have personal outside of me having gone to Wisconsin, and
- 1:11:33I don't have personal connections to the team.
- 1:11:36We have them in the we have #4 Minnesota versus number #2 Ohio
- 1:11:40State Thursday at 7:00 PM with the and then a final of the
- 1:11:44winners of those two games Saturday at 2:00 PM.
- 1:11:47OK. We.
- 1:11:49That's also being played for our local audience, that's being
- 1:11:53played at Saint Thomas. Yeah, up in Saint Paul.
- 1:11:55Up in Saint Paul, yeah. Continuing on, we have the EE
- 1:12:02CAC conference, which I believe they play on sports net New
- 1:12:07York, if I'm not incorrect there number 11 Cornell versus #7 Yale
- 1:12:13at 3:00 PM Central on Friday and #8 Quinnipiac and #9 Princeton
- 1:12:18at 6:00 PM on Friday. And then their their final is
- 1:12:22Saturday at 4:00 PM Central. And then just one game out of
- 1:12:28the AHA, which is number 12, it's a final #12 Mercyhurst at
- 1:12:33#3 Penn State, 1:00 PM Central on Saturday, I believe.
- 1:12:39I think we should have a game at some point where we just force
- 1:12:43people to guess what the acronyms for these conferences
- 1:12:46stand for. Don't do it right now.
- 1:12:49No, I can't even do it. Yeah, we'll do that later.
- 1:12:52All right. And then moving on, I tried to
- 1:12:53pick out the two best PWHL games going into the weekend.
- 1:13:00We have Boston at New York, 6:00 PM Central on Thursday.
- 1:13:03I think this is the best game of the week.
- 1:13:06Boston is second overall playing at a .711 clip.
- 1:13:10So that means they gain 71% of the points available to them
- 1:13:16when they play. So that's like, that's really
- 1:13:19good. It's the best in the league and
- 1:13:22New York is currently underperforming their record
- 1:13:25with a -, 7 goal differential, 0 overtime wins, and 45 goals
- 1:13:30against, which I think it might be the second highest in the
- 1:13:34league. So this is like a Boston should
- 1:13:36win it, but they're in New York. Anything could happen and I
- 1:13:41think New York could bounce up a couple of spots.
- 1:13:44It's really tight in the middle right now.
- 1:13:45I was going to say, New York is sitting in that fourth position,
- 1:13:48at least as of this recording. And so like as we talked about
- 1:13:52before, you have 8 teams, 4 go on to the playoffs like I that's
- 1:13:56they got to win games. Yeah, they do.
- 1:14:00And then we have Minnesota at Toronto Sunday at 11 AM Central.
- 1:14:06Hopefully a chance for Minnesota to find their skates again after
- 1:14:09the four O loss to Montreal last Sunday.
- 1:14:12They're going to need to get some pucks in the net.
- 1:14:15Toronto is ranked 6th, but only two points from leapfrogging #4
- 1:14:20New York, depending on how all those other games kind of play
- 1:14:23out. So you're in six, you could be
- 1:14:25in fourth after a game. It's just a lot of movement in
- 1:14:29this in the middle there. It's really tight, I feel like,
- 1:14:33so we'll be watching that, yeah, this weekend and ongoing as we
- 1:14:38head to the playoffs. Yeah.
- 1:14:39All right, let's close it out here with winners and losers.
- 1:14:44Losers first. I wonder who?
- 1:14:51I was trying to think of something other than that, but I
- 1:14:54think here's what I'm going to say.
- 1:14:59My loser is somehow it being 2026 and we're continuing to
- 1:15:13perpetuate the idea that it is OK to make fun of people and
- 1:15:23that that's funny. There is like a time and a
- 1:15:27place, and usually it's when the person can be laughing with you
- 1:15:30and not you laughing at them. And I am, I love comedy, I love
- 1:15:37jokes. But there's a time and a place.
- 1:15:41And I think broadly speaking, even if I remove like the how we
- 1:15:48got here with the joke from the president and the men's team and
- 1:15:52things like that, the reaction like I have just I've read some
- 1:15:59really horrible takes. I've seen an employer get online
- 1:16:07and call one of his employees a lunatic for saying that it
- 1:16:15wasn't OK to make that joke and that she's blowing it out of
- 1:16:21proportion. If I could have a penny for the
- 1:16:24number of times that women get told they're overreacting.
- 1:16:28So that's my loser. Is that like we're here and
- 1:16:31we're still having this conversation?
- 1:16:33Yeah, I mean my losers on the same in the same vein, I think
- 1:16:36the USA Hockey team hockey leadership just kind of either
- 1:16:41really failed or really didn't care and I don't know which is
- 1:16:46worse they. Didn't set those young men up
- 1:16:48for success either. Not that I'm not saying that
- 1:16:51they should have needed help, right?
- 1:16:53Like you should know how to apologize to someone.
- 1:16:56But it seems like no one really came in and was like, you really
- 1:17:02got to think about this in a different way.
- 1:17:04Yep, exactly. So agree.
- 1:17:06All right, winners, let's see winners I breeze BC Paige
- 1:17:18Becker's I know I'm repping the thing here.
- 1:17:21I actually a real big winner for me.
- 1:17:23I told Alex about this earlier, but there was a post game
- 1:17:27interview with Paige after her huge game where they knocked off
- 1:17:30defending champions Rose. And this reporter just did such
- 1:17:35an excellent job of of framing a question that allowed Paige to
- 1:17:43introspect and then talk about her achievement.
- 1:17:48And that is not something that is often comfortable for women
- 1:17:53to do, for people to do, but specifically women to do.
- 1:17:58And this reporter just created such a beautiful space for her
- 1:18:02to do it. I I was mad because I lost the
- 1:18:05clip on on social media. I was going to share it on her
- 1:18:09Instagram page. So if I find it, I will.
- 1:18:11But she she just did such an incredible job.
- 1:18:14Paige had a great answer to just talking about her growth and
- 1:18:18what unrivaled has really provided her.
- 1:18:20She's all, I mean, you got to remember y'all, she's, she was a
- 1:18:23rookie and she was a rookie in the West last year.
- 1:18:26Like she's, she comes across as like this, like seasoned vet
- 1:18:31stalwart, like she's been around and she's, she's young, She's
- 1:18:34got a lot of room to grow and she's very humble.
- 1:18:37But like, she leans into those. Opportunities.
- 1:18:40I mean, she's got the game and she's got the like, the media
- 1:18:43smarts. It's just kind of rare.
- 1:18:46Yeah, yeah, yeah. My winner is hold on a second
- 1:18:50here. I got a that was big.
- 1:18:53For those for those of you not watching this, I'm putting on a
- 1:18:56Minnesota State Pats. Right now.
- 1:18:59We saw them win in a three-game series versus University of
- 1:19:04Minnesota Duluth, an upset #13 beating #9 and so, yeah, I think
- 1:19:09this was the first time they've moved on in this playoff since
- 1:19:152009. I think was was the number
- 1:19:18there. So just really proud of the
- 1:19:22work. They they looked amazing, like
- 1:19:26they were skating so fast and so hard, like we said, like kind of
- 1:19:30like when they looked when they played the Gophers and sweep
- 1:19:34slapped them in that series. So if they can just keep that
- 1:19:38up, they can at least hopefully keep it close against Wisconsin.
- 1:19:40Yeah, and came back to they were, they were down 10 in the
- 1:19:43series against a UMD. They were playing in Duluth,
- 1:19:47right. So you're gone for the whole
- 1:19:48weekend, won the second game in double overtime.
- 1:19:53So in the WCHA in this round, it's like you just keep playing
- 1:19:57full periods of hockey. So they were in the second
- 1:20:01overtime period of that game and they scored and then took care
- 1:20:05of business in the third game. Be fun to see what they do.
- 1:20:08We shall see. Anyone can win, as I told my
- 1:20:12daughter tonight. So all right, folks, we
- 1:20:15appreciate you being here. We had a lot of fun with this
- 1:20:19episode. Like we said, a lot more to come
- 1:20:22here in March. So stay tuned.
- 1:20:24Next week we'll talk all about she believes cup.
- 1:20:28Maybe we'll have a. CBA agreement on the table.
- 1:20:33We'll lean into some Paralympics conference tournaments for
- 1:20:38basketball, hockey, I mean. These these could turn into long
- 1:20:42ones if we're not careful. We got to be careful.
- 1:20:44All right. Thanks for being here.
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- 1:20:51Gotta get those in there. We'll be back next week.
- 1:20:54All right, talk to you later. Bye bye.