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Andrew Greenblatt - Career Curiosity and How to be a Lifelong Athlete · The Student Athlete Sessions

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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome back to the Student Athlete Sessions presented by D3Direct.
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  SPEAKER_01: Today, we are joined by Andrew Greenblatt, former men's basketball player at Swarthmore College.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this is going to be a special episode because Andrew, or as he's more familiarly known to guys in the program, Greeny, is a guy I played with during my college career, had a big impact on me during school and after, and we can get into that.
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  SPEAKER_01: But first, a quick message from our
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  SPEAKER_01: So if you're thinking around this fall,
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  SPEAKER_01: Andrew Greenblatt is here today.
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  SPEAKER_01: Andrew, as I mentioned, is a former teammate of mine.
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  SPEAKER_01: So this is a this is a special episode.
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  SPEAKER_01: And
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  SPEAKER_01: But beyond that, you know, he's just a curious and empathetic guy.
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  SPEAKER_01: He is a lifelong learner, someone who has tried many things, has used the game of basketball to go many places, and I think is a great example.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oftentimes, someone I reference when I'm trying to think about my own career and the path of someone who's done it differently, and I think really benefited because of that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Andrew is now the successful owner of a career coaching practice.
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  SPEAKER_01: He has numerous clients, tons of reviews online.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you want to check him out, we will get you the links in the show notes and let him promo that stuff a little later.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he is also the founder of a cool new venture that we will dive into called Athletes in Transition, which I think can help a ton of current athletes and people just, you know, wrapping up their athletic careers and wondering how to tie up the loose ends there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Long intro.
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  SPEAKER_01: Andrew, welcome to the program.
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  SPEAKER_00: Carl, thank you so much for having me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Man, that's a great intro.
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  SPEAKER_00: You knocked it out of the park.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's great to be here.
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  SPEAKER_00: I appreciate it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, it's good to have you.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think we'll start this off as we do with most of our guests.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to allow you to give a little intro to the listeners.
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  SPEAKER_01: Share something that you feel like is critical to
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  SPEAKER_01: to what makes you who you are, what makes you greeny.
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  SPEAKER_01: So feel free to share that.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know what?
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  SPEAKER_00: I think in the spirit of D3Direct and who's the... I tell my story through the lens of sport.
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  SPEAKER_00: And for me, basketball became, I would say, a serious business.
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  SPEAKER_00: at a very young age.
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  SPEAKER_00: Combination of like social pressures, internal stuff, my astrological and psychological makeup that I inherited, and then like having a very intense dad who was yelling from the stands and getting into it with coaches, like all of that stuff.
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  SPEAKER_00: Basketball became really, really important to me for better and for worse.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that fiery intensity has taken me
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  SPEAKER_00: all over from leading improv-based communication programming at the IMG academies down in Florida, but sneaking off during my lunch breaks and in the mornings to go like work with the basketball program and getting in trouble, to touring the country with PGC Basketball, Point Guard College, and being a basketball instructor there working with athletes all over the world, to literally like co-producing a basketball tournament in Tibet,
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  SPEAKER_00: and dealing with some pretty severe post-concussive symptoms as well, which led me to like deeply explore the inner emotional and psychological landscape and has led me to mindfulness practices and meditation, things that I've been studying in depth for almost 10 years now.
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  SPEAKER_00: So athletes in transition is a culmination of all of those things and trying to
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well said.
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  SPEAKER_00: And there's a lot that has gone into, I guess we'll say, yeah,
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  SPEAKER_01: to that end product and to where you are today, and I'm sure much more exploration to come.
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  SPEAKER_01: But let's take it back to what you were talking about with the start of your basketball journey.
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  SPEAKER_01: And as we were teammates, played basketball, that's how we got to know each other.
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  SPEAKER_01: And some of those examples you just shared, working at IMG, PGC, the Hoops Tournament in Tibet, basketball has been this foundational tool that you've used to explore.
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  SPEAKER_01: But how do you
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  SPEAKER_01: How did you first get into it and take the listeners from that stage into you kind of getting really serious about it and thinking, you know, maybe this is something I can do in college?
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's so interesting because I've never really thought about the beginning.
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  SPEAKER_00: I do remember being super
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  SPEAKER_00: athletic and loving sports in middle school.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think I was like the only kid in my middle school who was playing four sports.
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  SPEAKER_00: I played a sport in every season.
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  SPEAKER_00: Soccer, volleyball, it was soccer in the fall, basketball in the winter, volleyball in like the spring and baseball in the summer or something.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I remember in high school I was playing on the soccer, on the freshman soccer team and
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  SPEAKER_00: I discovered that there were these like open gym runs going on for the basketball guys and then I was missing these runs because I was playing on the soccer team and I like quit the soccer team two days later and was like I need to be I need to be in these runs because uh I was the best at basketball and you know it's actually a theme that Athletes in Transition covers and that um I think a lot of people who might be listening to this podcast might be navigating
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  SPEAKER_00: which is the ways that competence, being really good at a sport, leads to a narrowing and a specifying and an overlay of competition.
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  SPEAKER_00: And for me, like, you know, one of the other things that makes me greeny is that I'm overcompetitive and I care a lot.
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  SPEAKER_00: So if anybody out there is overcompetitive and cares a lot, just in general, this one is for you.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think that applies to a lot of people in the sports community, generally.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, look, I saw people who I would imagine myself competing for playing time with in these open gym runs, and that is, I had to get in there and that's when it all started.
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  SPEAKER_00: Once I did that, I knew that my goal was to play in college.
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  SPEAKER_00: I just wanted to take it as far as I possibly could because I was having so much fun.
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  SPEAKER_00: Tyler O'Shea, D3Direct titled Andrew Greenblatt
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  SPEAKER_01: I think there's a lot of conversations, at least on Twitter, that we've seen.
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  SPEAKER_01: The Reform Sports Project is a great one that Nick Bonacar does who, shockingly, is a former D3 athlete.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's got a podcast out where he kind of talks about that subject with coaches and, you know, cautions parents to be careful about, like,
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  SPEAKER_01: Tyler O'Shea, D3Direct titled Andrew Greenblatt
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  SPEAKER_01: So kind of a little nuance in the specialization discussion.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_00: Nobody put it on me.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm so glad that I focused and drove hard because when I was younger, you're looking for things.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was looking for things to attach my identity to and to progress in.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it was awesome.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think that like, like specialization gets a bad rap.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think it's prolonged specialization that's really the problem.
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  SPEAKER_00: And like, this myopic idea that if it's not competitive or progressive or profitable, it's not worthwhile.
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  SPEAKER_00: And like, for me,
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  SPEAKER_00: Let me actually slow down with this for a second.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, I think I hear you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's one more thing I want to add here, which is, which is for me, it was so important to engage in a language like basketball is a language.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a body language.
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  SPEAKER_00: And as human beings, we all share these pretty similar bodies, like by and large, very similar nervous systems.
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  SPEAKER_00: Looking back and seeing it now through the lens of athletes in transition, it was incredibly important to dive deep into this particular way that the world and information processes through my body and my nervous system, because it bonded me just naturally.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's like, I just understand basketball players.
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  SPEAKER_00: We understand each other.
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  SPEAKER_00: I feel an affinity and a connection to other people that is entirely unspoken.
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  SPEAKER_00: And what has been so beautiful in extending beyond that
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  SPEAKER_00: has been engaging with other languages.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like now that I don't need the competency anymore, I don't need to be a 90% free throw shooter so that the specificity of grouping in that language doesn't really serve me as much as, you know, like what I was doing earlier today of like really engaging my pelvic floor and my hip crease in my yoga practice because I'm trying to embody a more like,
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  SPEAKER_00: Engage the unconscious in my body and connect with the foundational pieces of my literal physical posture.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that then bonds me to other human beings, you know, who are going through that journey and are thinking about that and resonate with those metaphors.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we can live our whole lives in our sport and yes, and also I think it's important to expand while also like really deeply appreciating the ways that these specific forms and
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  SPEAKER_00: and patterns endear us towards people and connect us to the world uh and expand ourselves right it's not it's not all bad to to specialize so yeah well said thanks well said that's not too esoteric i made no promises about that so we'll we're gonna now yeah this is free flowing we post our interviews unedited and and we want we want to hear you know
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  SPEAKER_01: hear that and I think you're onto something too you know it is a it is a connection I think you know in my own experience playing using the game to go to different places and and you as well like it's something that regardless of whether or not you speak the same language you can you can you can get to know someone by just playing basketball or playing another sport um that you that you both share and and value and and um there is that that element of connection I think
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  SPEAKER_01: that a lot of people will resonate with that you're talking about.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think to a further extent, if you do speak the same language and you go to the same school as we did, there is an added degree of connection and brotherhood.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think a lot of D3 athletes, something that I talk about in the space of hiring and why former college athletes are such desirable candidates to hire
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  SPEAKER_01: for Recruit to the Real World.
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  SPEAKER_01: Tyler O'Shea
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  SPEAKER_01: body, body, mind and, and a whole lot more.
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  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I want to hear a little, little bit back onto the recruiting trail, because I think a lot of our listeners and, and families who tune in are people trying to do it themselves and, and are looking for stories and advice.
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  SPEAKER_01: So how did a kid from from Long Island make it to make it a little further down south and end up in Swarthmore, Pennsylvania for college?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's a great question.
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  SPEAKER_00: I should say that I was the first college basketball player to come out of my high school in about 10 years.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it was about 10 years before another another player came out of my high school.
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  SPEAKER_00: And there's a lot of factors that contribute to that from like people who are really talented who lived in my area, choosing to go to private schools to basketball not being particularly emphasized in my high school.
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  SPEAKER_00: Tyler O'Shea, D3Direct titled Andrew Greenblatt
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay my main goal is to play basketball in college and she was like I really think you should apply early to Michigan because they have rolling admissions and I was like lady like are you like just look at me like there's no way that's not I don't think that's gonna be a fit I don't have time to explain why but it's just not gonna be a fit right if I had YouTube at that time I probably would have just sent her some like University of Michigan highlights and let her figure it out for herself.
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  SPEAKER_00: So for me, it was really like, I felt, I felt like I had to advocate for myself.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I remember there was some services.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think my parents paid for one where that like made me a highlight tape, which was pretty cool.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I don't think that helped as much as just having really good grades and like working on my game and going to some of these local showcases.
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  SPEAKER_00: That I remember was the most helpful thing because I didn't play on a like a premier AAU team.
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  SPEAKER_00: but there were national, there were these local showcases where you posted your grades and coaches can go around and like scout you that I think was the most helpful for me.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that's from a logistical standpoint.
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  SPEAKER_00: Also like going back to the beginning of this podcast, I care a lot.
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  SPEAKER_00: I just cared about basketball so much with my heart and my soul and everyone around me knew it and coaches
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  SPEAKER_00: In the area, just I always found someone who was willing to help me work on my game.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm so grateful for that.
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  SPEAKER_00: So there were there were always opportunities for me to focus on getting good.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's a big thing that they say at PGC, like focus on getting good versus focus on getting seen.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that that really resonated with me because like I was young coming into college, I was good, but I wasn't like that good.
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  SPEAKER_00: And every minute that I spent like
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  SPEAKER_00: Just working on my game and finding joy within the game and deepening my love for it while like having grades that set me apart.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think that's what like helped me get into Swarthmore ultimately.
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  SPEAKER_00: When I showed up for my recruiting visit, I balled out, you know, and it wasn't because like, and I remember just having so much fun and it being a very joyful, exciting process.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I think that, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Were you playing with the team?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like a scrimmage or?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was awesome.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was really fun.
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  SPEAKER_00: I actually remember going on a recruiting trip to another D3 school and I had these like horrible blisters on my feet and I promised my parents I wouldn't play.
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  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, when everyone was like, you know, obviously I just couldn't help.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I just totally ripped up my feet, but I played pretty well and had a great time and like limped around the rest of the weekend.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, I was just having so much fun in the process and like enjoying getting better at basketball.
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  SPEAKER_00: And, um, yeah, the, the showcases are probably, are definitely, definitely for me, what did it more than any, like, I don't even know what people might be doing, but some people around me at that time were hiring expensive services or like politicking in some way.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it just, I don't know, this didn't really matter for me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think that message, especially now of like focus on getting good rather than getting seen is, is important and exposure does matter and there's a place for it.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I think there is an overemphasis that we're shifting too far to that side of things.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I don't know, I mean, if if Devin George can make the NBA from Augsburg in Minnesota, and Steve Nash can win MVPs coming out of Santa Clara with only one offer.
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  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, Dame time,
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  SPEAKER_00: Tyler O'Shea, D3Direct titled Andrew Greenblatt
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  SPEAKER_00: Tyler O'Shea, D3Direct titled Andrew Greenblatt
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  SPEAKER_00: Harvested away, like surgically, forcibly removed without my will, the cycle term for it is.
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  SPEAKER_01: In that you had to give up the basketball, that basketball identity as you left school.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like the cycle babble term for it is identity foreclosure.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you imagine like what it means for a house to be foreclosed upon, to be forcibly taken over by the bank and removed from cabins.
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  SPEAKER_00: So as someone who's early in that process, to remind them to enjoy the game, to like literally enjoy the game, enjoy the feeling of the ball in their hands, enjoy the connections that they're making, is like the best thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: The best thing to develop an identity that is specific and does result in
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  SPEAKER_00: Tyler O'Shea, D3Direct titled Andrew Greenblatt
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  SPEAKER_01: And when there were those tough moments, you always did a good job of bringing it back to the joy or trying to make it a game again or take the seriousness out of it or just bring some perspective back.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think about my freshman year when I was a couple of weeks onto campus and got a pretty bad ankle sprain in some open run and had high sights set for my freshman year.
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  SPEAKER_01: was all of a sudden out for four weeks.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I remember sitting on the porch at our dorm and you just, you know, giving me some life lessons and really helping me look beyond this thing that I felt like was the end of the world at the moment.
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  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, then once the season got rolling, for whatever reason, the coach at the time was trying to play me at point guard, which was a mistake for anyone who knows my game.
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  SPEAKER_00: Tyler O'Shea, D3Direct titled Andrew Greenblatt
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  SPEAKER_01: you know broke it down for me in a way that made me less nervous about like playing a new position and more like just focus on these things and um you know I think that perspective then helped me when I was in that role as a senior to really share that on and pass on that that mindset of you know this might seem like the end of the world this might seem like such a big deal now but but here's some here's some senior some junior upperclassman wisdom and
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  SPEAKER_01: So, I think you always did a good job with that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_00: I really appreciate that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's always meant a lot to me, the fact that you reference our relationship as, you know, first year and a senior in the way that you then chose to lead, because you did such a good job of really ushering the program into the new era that it is now, like really the national powerhouse.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, like feeling connected to that through you is like a prize achievement
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  SPEAKER_00: of my basketball career.
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  SPEAKER_00: I really do see it that way.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you know, I think it reminds me of like now being 32 and someone who's really continued the athletic journey, how important it is to keep our inherent enjoyment of what it's like to have a body and use a body and manipulate our body as like the center of it all.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because I remember those drills and we were talking about change of speed and change of direction and just like
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  SPEAKER_00: just enjoying the way that we can manipulate other people and like get the better of them through our skillfulness because right that's fun right it's fun like dunk on someone's head if you can right like using like that's enjoyable and someone who's someone who's continued the athletic journey i can tell you that truly nobody gives a fuck about your body once you're like even when you're like no one even really people might not even care about division three sports it just feels so important we're so young and i'm not saying it's not important because it is
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  SPEAKER_00: It's everything, and at the same time, no one cares.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, I can now stand on my hands.
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  SPEAKER_00: And for whoever's listening to this, you can probably check with yourself how much you care about the fact that I can stand on my hands.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's like a good, you know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's like a good litmus test for zooming it out and not taking it so too seriously, even when you're in the moment.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, look, I care that I stand on my hands tremendously, and that means everything.
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  SPEAKER_00: and the healing that it's brought to the imbalances in my shoulder and the awareness that it's given me around manipulating my pelvis and being able to kind of gyroscopically understand what it's like to be upside down is to me everything and tremendously valuable.
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  SPEAKER_00: And same with whoever is playing basketball, like the fact that you're learning how to interact with your teammates
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  SPEAKER_00: Engaging deeply in the sport, navigating your competitiveness, bonding with the team, strategizing on how to, on how people work best and like boss people, like literally beat people.
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  SPEAKER_00: Engaging with that process full on is so vital because that's, what's going to, that's, what's going to bring you all the results of character development and like fun and lifelong bonds.
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  SPEAKER_00: And at the same time, like nobody else cares and that's okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: So to hold both those things at the same time I think makes like a for a really well-adjusted just human who's athletically inclined because I believe that that this process chooses us of being athletes like I can't remember reading in a book or someone teaching me about it my body was just always like inclined to it and I think that's true for a lot of us so whoever's like not like
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  SPEAKER_00: It's hard.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a hard message to hear when you're 18, like you're saying, and you think that, you know, your sport or your identity as an athlete is truly all,
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  SPEAKER_00: it matters so much and and like you said i i think it does matter so much i'm not i'm not saying it does i'm saying like have it matter so much and then go and like just look around at someone else in life and you know maybe your aunt or like no just someone you don't know some random person and ask yourself if that for how much that person cares that you are a good basketball player it's nice like check
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  SPEAKER_01: I think Swarthmore, and I feel like a lot of small D3s are probably a good test of this.
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  SPEAKER_01: Some have very passionate fan bases and a lot of the town's activities revolves around them.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I remember thinking about Swarthmore and there were definitely kids on campus who had no idea that we had sports teams.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so I think it's that test exactly what you're talking about, encapsulated and
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  SPEAKER_01: And I always try to encourage, I wrote a blog post recently trying to encourage kids to reach out and engage with people on campus that are completely different than them.
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  SPEAKER_01: And maybe it's you go get lunch, maybe it's you sign up for their club or like go get information on it because as much as you love your sport, you know, wouldn't you love to know like what it is that they care about as much as you care about your sport and to dig into that and,
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah and then maybe you get a few new fans in the process if you're like us and maybe had 20 fans at some of those mid-season games.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's true right and it is the litmus test doesn't work for everybody that's right because people there are fans and people do care and like I think I'm speaking to
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  SPEAKER_00: The logistical reality that not everybody cares.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, there's like a Jewish proverb that talks about holding two notes, like one in your left pocket, one in your right pocket.
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  SPEAKER_00: And one of the notes is like, the universe was built specifically for me.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the other note is, I'm as insignificant as a grain of sand.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that, it's like carrying that energy.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because we have to, we have to care.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think we have to care.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like the fact that I care about handstands, which, you know, you and everyone listening doesn't care about, connected me to a dear friend of mine, Iris, practicing handstands while we were both waiting for a bus, who then connected me to Gaga Dance and Oha Naharin.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_00: this Juilliard trained choreographer who invented this like incredible dance style which then connected me to my current partner and like it matters right but at the same time like if I walk around being like I'm a handstander like come on right so a lot that's sort of if you're 18 you're walking around like I'm a basketball player it's like of course of course because you know you've only lived 18 years of life and they're the kind of the flip side of that is there's someone in your life who sees you as way more than that
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_00: and to believe them when they tell you and to allow.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_00: And there's, so anyway, this is, I'm getting a little vague, but I hope that's landing for some people out there.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_01: I think it does.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_01: I like that having the two different messages in each one in each pocket and holding those both together at the same time.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_01: I want to give you a chance to talk about
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_01: One athlete's in transition, but also the successive basketball projects that maybe led you there.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_01: You worked with the game for a long time.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_01: I think if I'm not mistaken, it was something that you, you know, you had dreams to work in basketball.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_01: For sure.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, maybe walk the audience through like where you went.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_01: I know you talked about the tournament in Tibet, some PGC stuff.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_01: You were a practice player with the
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_00: Seattle Storm and WNBA, yeah.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: Share some of those experiences and then maybe we close out here with some, I can share some from my experience with athletes in transition and then, yeah.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_01: So take the floor, it's yours.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_00: Sure, so to talk through like just the things I've done with the game basically.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think what's valuable is
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_01: You know, really allowing, you've tried so many things, which at least from my perspective is way more valuable than trying to say, you know, this is my passion, right?
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I think that's something that's thrown on young people a lot of times, like these days, and it's kind of a cop out that if someone is tasked to give a speech, they can be like, just follow your passion.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_01: And that's this amorphous, like,
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_01: very difficult to grasp concept.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I think you used your passion to explore different things.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_01: And it's not like something's gonna hit me.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_01: You took a very active approach.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that just, there are a lot of lessons in that for kids and in where you succeeded and where you failed.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_00: Man, well, I really appreciate hearing that.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_00: That is a very interesting one of passion.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_00: That's, I think you're right.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like, well, if you had asked me probably up until the age of 23, what was my passion and what was, and what was my love?
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_00: I would say I would have said basketball.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't like, I think that's great.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_00: I don't like when I think about how, what, what passion means to me now and how to find it.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_00: I would encourage people to, yes, like, that's right.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_00: Let me just tell my story as a means of like, instead of giving some big lesson from the top of the mountain that no one's gonna really care about.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_00: I had a really bad injury my senior year, like really bad.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't get to have the senior night that I wanted.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't get to fulfill my dreams on the court.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_00: I had a bad concussion that forced me to take, not only miss my whole season, but take a medical leave of absence from school and left me with a lot of anxiety and depression, which are actual medical, the depression I know for sure is a medically observed side effect of a healing brain of post-concussive syndrome.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_00: So I probably would have been depressed at that age missing my season anyway, but I was on top of that dealing with like the chemical and hormonal elements of that.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_00: And at that time, I felt like I was breaking up with basketball and that everything that I had done up until that point had been a waste.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_00: I felt ashamed
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_00: that I hadn't done more with my life at that moment.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_00: I felt like I had wasted my parents' money because my parents very generously paid for my undergraduate education.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_00: And I felt like I blew it.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_00: I looked at some of my other teammates who were getting jobs in established fields and saw what I imagined to be my own future prospects and was devastated.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_00: And in building back up from that,
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_00: What might've looked from the outside as following my passion, while it was following my passion, it was also doing the only thing that I felt like I could, that I felt was, that I was any worthwhile at.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_00: And it took me practicing with the storm, which was so fun, to all these other experiences to really learn how much, how much I could offer outside of the game.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_00: But I couldn't have learned that by doing.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_00: So one of the things I'm really grateful for in this like follow your passion type of framework is that because I had such a love of basketball and a deep engagement with basketball, I felt like I couldn't stop until it was at the bitter end.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know what I mean?
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_00: Like I was in practice with the Seattle Storm
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_00: I was looking at the entry-level jobs to get into WNBA and NBA teams.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_00: I literally had befriended one of the dudes.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_00: We were talking about his role.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_00: He never told me how much money he made, but I saw how much he worked, and I saw the quality of life.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_00: I had this really formative experience of meeting the president of the Warriors, Rick Welts.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_00: I was in San Francisco, and at the time I was living in Seattle, and he had come from Seattle.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_00: He got his start in basketball as being a ball boy for the Sonics.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_00: And so I was like, we had this connection and I was able to like really talk to him about what I was doing.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_00: And he told me, you know, I would have had to work for three, nine months to get a shot.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_00: I had looked deeply, deeply, deeply at the ways that I could work my butt off to become a coach, but then someone could just retire, you know, some athlete could just retire and take one of those coveted slots away from me.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_00: And who would I, who, you know, I couldn't blame him.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I coached at A-plus Youth Program, a nonprofit in Seattle that was injecting academic accountability into high-level competitive basketball.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_00: We sent two kids from our program to the NBA and a number of others to D1, and we were giving them all the academic checks, and I was deeply, deeply involved there.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_00: And I got sick of it.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_00: I was done.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_00: I saw that I couldn't do this anymore.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_00: I remember coaching my last game and being like, okay, I'm actually done with the world of basketball.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_00: So- What did that feel like?
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_00: Well, liberating.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_00: Part of having that injury that I had just started to glimpse but wasn't yet ready to fully admit to myself was how much of a relief it was to not be playing.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like on some level it was a relief.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_00: And when I really got to what I consider the end of my journey, like my last game coaching
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_00: Andrew Greenblatt
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like keep going, like fray the edges, blow out the speakers.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_00: My cousin, he lives in Israel.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_00: He's Israel and he was born in Israel and he was like a really good baseball player, played, did a bunch of Israel national baseball stuff as a coach, all this type of things.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_00: And they had national military service there.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_00: And when he was coming out of the military for the first time, it happens a little later in Israel, you have to go into the military at 18.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_00: For the first time, you know, he was, I think, 23, 24.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_00: He was really asking himself, like, what do I do with my life?
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_00: And he got some tech job and hated it.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_00: And he asked me, you know, I'm thinking about going back to baseball.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_00: Should I do it?
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_00: And the answer was like, yes.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_00: You know, like ride it until it's absolutely done.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_00: Because that, to me, that shows a level of respect for how much we care about a thing.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_00: Now, that, I think, emotional kind of knowing comes for different people at different times.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_00: Like some people are totally ready to hang it up at their senior night and go do their thing.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_00: And like, they should, you know what I mean?
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_00: Like those people, like there's no, the only person who can know that is us.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's individualized.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like, like I have teammates from college who still play in men's leagues.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_00: Like I could not imagine myself playing in a men's league and they're going to look at me and be like, you're crazy.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm looking at them being like, you're crazy.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, that's how it goes.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_00: I thought I was done.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_00: Only to be invited back in by Bill Johnson, who's just like unbelievable.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_00: You should have him on the podcast.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's now doing amazing stuff around Korfball in the United States, which you should all look up, at PNW Korfball is what his product is now.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_00: But he at the time was living and coaching in Tibet, working with a basketball program there, because like, you know, Carl, from your experience in China, people in that part of the world just love basketball.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_00: And he invited me to go and basically co-produce a basketball tournament out there because they were trying to prove a concept.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_00: And like we did, I ended up taking two trips out there and we raised money and we had a 10-team tournament.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_00: Some teams from China, like literally Chinese athletes, some Tibetan athletes, and then some Americans would come over and just were like along for the ride.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_00: And we proved it.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_00: We had a 10-team tournament.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_00: They produced it at, in Rotoma, in the village that's really preserving Tibetan culture there.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_00: Such a beautiful experience.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I remember after that, I was like, okay, you know, I remember I had been given these basketball shoes from my coaching days by a member of the Stanford women's basketball team because I had become friends with her and was on campus visiting her and she gave me these Nikes.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_00: And those were my basketball shoes for like years.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_00: I remember leaving those in Tibet and I was like, okay, now, now, now, now that was the last one, right?
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_00: So, but that's to me speaks to like how important it is and how valuable it is to be engaging in these shared body languages because those people in Tibet did care that I could shoot a basketball and you know, it wasn't pretentious being a foreigner
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_00: over there because I had something that they legitimately were curious about and they had something that I was legitimately curious about and like that's amazing.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_00: So I might be getting off track but I found that there were ways of experimenting and being with the game that really resonated with me in ways that didn't and I don't know for me it always felt very natural to try.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_00: I never wanted to be a weekend warrior.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_00: I always wanted to be someone who continues to play, but not just on the weekends.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_00: For me, play means literally being in these contexts, but it also means continuing to carry the spirit of the athlete.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think I'm getting off track, but let me just pause there.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's, that's about it.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's a good way to, it's a, it's a good point at which to, to fold into athletes in transition and, and, and I can give the listeners a little context and please feel free to correct me or fill in the gaps where I missed something here.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_01: But Greeny approached me with this idea, you know, he and I had been chatting
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_01: periodically throughout COVID and just talking about, you know, our general body health experience with basketball.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_01: And I expressed to Greeny, I think some desire to keep playing, but, you know, kind of like residual hip or knee pain and all this stuff.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_01: And he's like, do you think there'd be any value in
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_01: We put all this time into athletes on the front end, recruiting, blah, blah, blah.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_01: What if we had that same focus as athletes were leaving college and finding, like you mentioned, where the person was in terms of how committed they were to continuing their sport if they were completely done after senior night or if they want to go play pro and give them the tools to think about how to make that sport their own and also how to re-engage with their body
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_01: and I wouldn't say not quite PT, like physical therapy, but developing an awareness of how something that maybe you always did for your sport was contributing or leading to some kind of pain.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_01: And then on top of that, like get a group of athletes together and get everyone in the same room and from different sports, different backgrounds, and just talking about their shared experience.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_01: There could be something really cathartic there.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_01: And after a while of talking about it, we did, we had the first cohort of athletes in transition.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_01: It was myself, an athlete from RPI and an athlete from NYU and Greeny Lettuce.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_01: So it was the four of us meeting periodically and had a great time.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_01: Felt like learned a lot from their experiences
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, and learned, I think, a lot about my body and how to think about how I, like you said, seek out play or find enjoyment both in basketball and other forms of activity now that I'm, you know, not in college and in my own person.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't know what you would add to that, but.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'd be very curious for people to hear what you got out of it and how it's positively impacted you.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, I think I think some of the most important things were, were thinking about, you know, like, what our motivators were for exercising, right?
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_01: You know, for so long, you as a college athlete have these performance standards kind of given to you from from an authority figure from a coach, weightlifting, you know, trainer, whatever, whatever it is.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_01: And
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was really helpful just to talk through with the group about what we each used as personal motivators.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_01: Now that all those other things were gone and try to develop an awareness of maybe how that was positive in some ways, but also could have detracted from our love of the game or of the sport that we were playing and how to retool our own
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_01: I think ideas and motivators now that we were out of school, I think that was really helpful.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_01: I think developing it, yeah, developing a new framework for movement and trying to just explore different types of movement practices.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, in a lot of ways, I feel like what yoga is like, the first time someone does yoga, it's like a very different experience
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's a lot slower.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's not as active as a basketball or a football, but you move your bodies in ways that you're not used to doing.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_01: And I think in the same way, some of the movement work that we did in Athletes in Transition was similar in that it, yeah, it was just different.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_01: And I think ultimately helped me to better understand my body.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I think the other people in the class would say the same thing.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, I love that you got that.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_00: out of the course.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_00: For me, going back to what we talked about earlier of how competition, the idea of competition really engages us and narrows our focus to move our bodies and think about our bodies in the context of competence.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_00: like how can I improve, how can I refine so I can have this goal so I could win?
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_00: And so much of what I wanted to do in Athletes in Transition was show people that that is probably most likely how they're still relating to their bodies.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_00: And to take them back to a time before the competence like skin was laid over
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_00: before the competition skin was laid over to a time when they were just a person who was really enjoying the power and capacity of their body like that because that's what's going on in all of us and then at some point early on someone gives us a ball or a hockey stick or whatever or someone praises us or someone buys us a t-shirt
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_00: that has you know the sport on it and then people around us oh my god you you like that sport don't you and you know what god bless them because raising a human being is hard work and i've never done it you know so i'm not trying to like um thank goodness they're trying to connect with me and engage with me geez um that leaves an impression right of oh okay i'm supposed to do this with my body whereas really what's going on is
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_00: We're all just people who love being in bodies and love using them and testing them and competing with other people and, and comparing and developing skills.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_00: So I wanted to return people like, what if, what if we, as people were leaving this environment and cocoon where your competitive, your competitiveness and your competence is what's valued.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_00: As we're coming on the other side of that, in which, you know, your competitiveness and competence is no longer valued in the same way.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I kind of mean by no one cares better.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_00: Like no one cares that you're a free throw anymore.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_00: What now?
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_00: And I thought through Athletes in Transition, we can reconnect people to, well, the what now is finding joy and playfulness and engagement with our body on our terms.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_00: and using that, reconnecting to that joy as a pathway to expanding our identity, to include who we are as our core, like our core sport, and expand to include all these other things.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_00: And also, as athletes, to really see that we do love, we're very embodied people.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_00: Even if that term you're like what the heck does that mean or like this is too woo woo like the basic of it is you enjoy having physical capacity.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_00: You enjoy the fact that you can jump high and run fast and do things and we can actually tap into that to apply that in different contexts but also like have you explore what it means to relate from a place of curiosity and having options
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_00: versus narrowing and trying to beat somebody else.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_00: So that's who we're like really, really trying to help people with.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's great.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_01: Where can people find out more information?
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_01: If you've got a current D3 athlete or maybe former, where can they learn more?
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_00: So the dates aren't,
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_00: are a little outdated on the website, but they can go to athletesintransitioncourse.com and drop a line.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_00: They could also just email me.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's the best way.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_00: Like if people want to just talk to me, they can just talk to me.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_00: And it's andrew at andrewgreenblattcoaching.com.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_00: That's like the umbrella that I use for all the athlete stuff and all the career stuff and all the mindfulness stuff.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_01: Great.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_01: I'll just, I'll make sure to put that URL then andrewgreenblattcoaching.com in, uh, in the show notes and people can, people can talk to you there, reach out to learn more.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_01: It really is a cool thing that Greeny's doing.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and again, you know, beyond just the athlete stuff, he does have this active coaching practice.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_01: Not sure if you're, you're, you're looking for new clients at the moment, but, but the testimonials on the website, um, are, are pretty strong.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, from my own experience and working with him, he is a,
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_01: He is an incredible listener and someone who really is thoughtful.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_01: So if you need guidance, if you're stuck in a position, he is someone you can definitely turn to for that.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_00: For sure.
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_00: I'd love to hear from anyone from the D3Direct community.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_00: So that's great.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_01: Strong.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_01: Well, we're coming up here on about an hour, so I think we should wrap it up.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_01: But Greeny, we always try to end with the same question.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_01: If you could give advice to a 17, 18-year-old person about to enter the heat, the biggest part of college recruiting with what you know now, what advice would you share with them?
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_00: You only get one recruiting process.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_00: You only get one.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_00: Have fun.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_00: Enjoy it.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_00: You only get one time meeting your teammates for the first time.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_00: You only get one time evaluating coaches, touring campuses.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_00: It really only happens once.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_00: You're looking for a concrete way to savor that.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe once a day or so, pause for 10 to 30 seconds and just breathe.
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_00: and soak in a joyful moment that's happening during that process.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe a coach sent you a letter or like you played really well at a camp or you're about to go on a recruiting visit or you're meeting a potential future teammate for the first time, like pause, breathe, savor, enjoy that because you only get one and it's a unique time of life.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's so valuable.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, especially when you don't know
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_01: when it can be taken, you know, as COVID illustrated or an injury pop up, it's, yeah, you only get the one run through, so soak it in.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_01: Wisdom per usual.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_00: This was so fun.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much for having me and keeping this project going, really respecting what you're doing here.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's been fun.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_01: You've been around since the start to see it from its infancy into
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_01: We'll call it elevated infancy here.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_00: I really hope Coach McShay is out there listening somewhere.
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, give some shout outs here.
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_00: Shout out Coach McShay.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I'm just really, I really hope he's listening.
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't know where he's at, but I'm pumped, pumped to potentially hear from him.
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_01: Out coaching high school basketball in Winters High School, if I'm not mistaken, still staying connected to the game.
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  SPEAKER_01: He was our shared assistant coach, someone I knew for a while and a great guy.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, we'll definitely make sure to give it to him.
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, make sure to give it to him.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_00: Last one, I just want to shout out coach from really may he rest in peace.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm really grateful to him for bringing you and I together and for believing in me and giving a chance to play college basketball.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know he has had a really big heart and had a
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  SPEAKER_00: extremely good judge of character.
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  SPEAKER_00: So may you rest in peace.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm really grateful for the way he brought our lives together.
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_01: Well said.
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thanks again.
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_01: This has been another episode of the Student Athlete Sessions presented by D3Direct.
• 56:37
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• 56:42
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• 56:43
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• 56:49
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• 56:53
  SPEAKER_01: So give it a listen.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_01: And as we mentioned, we'll post Greeny's information in the show notes so you can find out more about him and the course he's offering and see if it's a fit for you.
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  SPEAKER_01: So Greeny, thanks again.
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you, Carl.
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  SPEAKER_00: See you.
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_01: See you soon.