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The Giza Nightmare: Unraveling a Mother's Dark Secret and a Family's Twisted Demise · Crime Night

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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's set the scene. It's nineteen eighty five, picture
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  Speaker 1: the Giza police station. The air's heavy, kind of cold.
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  Speaker 1: You hear that low murmur of voices, shuffling feet. It
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  Speaker 1: feels oppressive.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can almost smell the dust.
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  Speaker 1: And stale coffee exactly. Then this door creaks open and
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  Speaker 1: in walks this elderly woman. She looks really frail, probably
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  Speaker 1: over eighty, and.
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  Speaker 2: Her face just etched with worry, right, total exhaustion, totally.
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  Speaker 1: Her eyes are wide looking right at the detective like
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  Speaker 1: a desperate plea. She's clutching this.
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  Speaker 2: Worn purse almost like a shield.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and she whispers, her voice is trembling. My son,
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  Speaker 1: I know something has happened to my wag dey.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, that immediate maternal dread you could feel.
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  Speaker 1: It's palpable, that instinct. So welcome to the deep dive today.
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  Speaker 2: We're diving into a case that honestly just twists and turns.
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  Speaker 1: It really does. You think you've got a handle on it,
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  Speaker 1: and then bam, something shifts. It starts as a missing
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  Speaker 1: person report, pretty standard on the surface, but.
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  Speaker 2: Underneath, oh, it unravels fast secrets, betray rails. A pass
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  Speaker 2: that just refuses to stay buried.
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  Speaker 1: Our mission today really is to try and navigate this
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  Speaker 1: whole chilling story, not just.
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  Speaker 2: What happened, but the why. That's the crucial part here.
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  Speaker 2: We'll be looking at Nadia, Waggeddy, his mother, their kids,
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  Speaker 2: Samat and Sama, and this other figure Ahmed Fragali.
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  Speaker 1: And you'll find as we go pretty much every character
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  Speaker 1: well they seem to have more than one face, definitely.
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  Speaker 2: So back to Waggedy's mother, this incredibly distressed elderly woman.
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  Speaker 1: Right, her son Waggedy. He's sixty three, a math teacher,
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  Speaker 1: been working out in the Gulf for years. He'd come
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  Speaker 1: back to Egypt just five days before and then just
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  Speaker 1: vanished poof exactly. And she has this deep, deep intuition,
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  Speaker 1: like she says she knows something is wrong, a gut
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  Speaker 1: feeling that Waggedy was in real danger.
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  Speaker 2: Well makes it even stranger. Of those last calls.
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  Speaker 1: Right, totally bewildering. He called her twice, first from the
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  Speaker 1: airport before he even left the Gulf, just a quick
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  Speaker 1: boarding now call get normal enough. Then a second call
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  Speaker 1: right after landing at Cairo Airport confirmed he was back safe,
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  Speaker 1: maybe a bit tired, said he'd see her the next
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  Speaker 1: day for if Tar, it was Ramadan.
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  Speaker 2: So comforting calls, everything seems fine, he's home, and.
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  Speaker 1: Then just silence, complete silence, which.
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  Speaker 2: Is why the mother goes to his house, obviously worried, sick,
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  Speaker 2: and she talks to Nadia, Waggedy's wife. She's younger, about forty.
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  Speaker 1: And Nadia's reaction is, well, it's something else.
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  Speaker 2: Shockingly cold, is what it sounds like. She flattered, denies
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  Speaker 2: he ever arrived, never.
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  Speaker 1: Arrived, and then she starts throwing out these possibilities. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: he's with relatives. Yeah, maybe he uh.
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  Speaker 2: Remarried seriously, just like that's like that.
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  Speaker 1: And crucially she dismisses her mother in law's fears, says
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  Speaker 1: it's just old age delusions.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, blaming the victim essentially, Yeah, and Nightdi mentions that
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  Speaker 2: there was bad blood between them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, brings up this supposed long standing dislike. Even says
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  Speaker 1: Waggedy's too respectable to remarry without telling her the nerve.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. So that the police initially, what do they make
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  Speaker 2: of this?
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  Speaker 1: Well, you can see how they might be swayed. Nadia
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  Speaker 1: sounds confident, plausible maybe, and they're faced with this very elderly,
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  Speaker 1: very distraught woman.
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  Speaker 2: So they kind of lean towards Naughtya's story, the delusion's angle.
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  Speaker 1: Initially, yes, they hesitate, maybe he did just go off somewhere,
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  Speaker 1: maybe he'll turn up. They didn't take strong action right.
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  Speaker 2: Away, But there was one detective.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, yes, there's always one, isn't there. Despite the skepticism
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  Speaker 1: floating around, he just couldn't shake this feeling, a hunch,
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  Speaker 1: A strong conviction, really, he said later. It was the
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  Speaker 1: look in the mother's eyes, that raw, genuine fear. He
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  Speaker 1: just knew she was telling the truth. Her son had arrived.
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  Speaker 1: He couldn't ignore it.
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  Speaker 2: That's fascinating following that instinct.
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  Speaker 1: So here's where it gets really interesting. What makes a seasoned
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  Speaker 1: detective trust that gut feeling over the easy explanation over
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  Speaker 1: what Naughty was telling everyone.
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  Speaker 2: Well, acting on that hunch, this detective he sends a
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  Speaker 2: team straight to Cairo Airport, no messing around, right to
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  Speaker 2: check the records exactly. They go through the passenger manifest
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  Speaker 2: for that specific date and boom, there it is wagg
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  Speaker 2: Edd's name, clear as day, confirmed arrival, which immediately flags
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  Speaker 2: Natty's whole story is well a blatant lie. He was
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  Speaker 2: back in Egypt.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so the police knows she's lying. That changes everything.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, And then almost simultaneously comes this incredible twist, just
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  Speaker 2: pure chance, it seems.
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  Speaker 1: What happened.
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  Speaker 2: A completely different police station gets a report from a
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  Speaker 2: taxi driver, a guy named Abdel Couider. Okay, unrelated, seems
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  Speaker 2: totally unrelated at first. He tells them he drove this
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  Speaker 2: family husband, wife, kids from the airport to the Ober area.
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  Speaker 2: But the husband left a bag in his taxi. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and not just any bag. It at the guy's passport,
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  Speaker 2: important documents, some foreign cash and.
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  Speaker 1: The husband's name was don't tell me.
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  Speaker 2: Ragdy he knew from the passport.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, okay, what are the odds?
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  Speaker 2: Incredible? Right? And this driver advocator, he sounds a really
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  Speaker 2: decent guy. He tried to return it went above and beyond. First,
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  Speaker 2: he goes to the address of the passport in Giza,
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  Speaker 2: finds out they moved like over a year ago.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, dead end.
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  Speaker 2: Then get this, He tries to get a national newspaper
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  Speaker 2: to publish a photo a notice, hoping Waggedy would see
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  Speaker 2: it and claim his stuff.
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  Speaker 1: That's real integrity, totally.
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  Speaker 2: When nothing worked, he did the responsible thing and reported
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  Speaker 2: it to the police. He had no idea. He was
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  Speaker 2: handing them a massive piece of the puzzle.
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  Speaker 1: So the Giza police hear about this report.
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  Speaker 2: And it clicks immediately. They connect the dots. This has
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  Speaker 2: to be their missing Waggedy. They summon abdol Cator right away.
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  Speaker 1: So, just as Waggedy's poor mother is about to face
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  Speaker 1: more questions.
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  Speaker 2: In walks abdul Cator. It's amazing how fast things started
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  Speaker 2: falling into place, not because of a confession, but because
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  Speaker 2: of this honest taxi driver. Incredible timing, and the detective,
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  Speaker 2: thinking fast, makes a crucial decision right then, which is
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  Speaker 2: keep the taxi driver's story quiet from Waggedy's mother for now.
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  Speaker 1: Why the secrecy do you think protect her or maybe
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  Speaker 1: build the case first?
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  Speaker 2: Probably a bit of both. Strategy. Don't want to show
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  Speaker 2: their whole hands as yet. So abdel Cater identifies Waggedy,
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  Speaker 2: confirms he drove him, Nadia, Sama, and Sami from the airport.
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  Speaker 1: See me too, okay, So the police know the whole
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  Speaker 1: family was there exactly, and.
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  Speaker 2: They immediately put Nadia's place in obor under covert surveillance.
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  Speaker 2: They need eyes on her.
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  Speaker 1: Meanwhile, the detective goes back to Waggedy's mother, right.
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  Speaker 2: And now he's really pushing her. Tell me everything, anything
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  Speaker 2: you know about Nadi, about their life, no holding back,
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  Speaker 2: and she opens up. She does, and it's so it's disturbing.
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  Speaker 2: She explains. Waggedy and Nadia moved to the Gulf about
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  Speaker 2: twenty years back with the kids, Sama and Sama. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: but five years ago Nadia insisted on coming back to
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  Speaker 2: Egypt with the children. The reason she gave was for
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  Speaker 2: their education.
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  Speaker 1: But the mother suspected something else.
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  Speaker 2: Well. Soon after they returned, she started hearing things unpleasant talk,
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  Speaker 2: she called it about Nadia's reputation in their old Geeza neighborhood.
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  Speaker 2: What kind of talk about her character, her honor, basically
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  Speaker 2: that she wasn't living respectably. And worse, there were rumors
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  Speaker 2: involving the daughter Sama, who was just in high school.
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  Speaker 1: Then, oh no, what about Sama?
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  Speaker 2: Rumors of improper relationships. And here's where it gets really dark. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: When neighbors tried to intervene tried to talk to Naughty
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  Speaker 2: about it, she retaliated violently. Ow she burned their houses down.
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  Speaker 1: What burned plural houses apparently multiple times to silence people.
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  Speaker 2: It worked. Everyone became terrified of her.
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  Speaker 1: My, God, that's extreme. I can only imagine the mother's
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  Speaker 1: position hearing all this about her son's family while he's
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  Speaker 1: away working exactly.
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  Speaker 2: She was tormented. Yeah, didn't want to burden him, worry
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  Speaker 2: him while he was abroad providing for them. Eventually got
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  Speaker 2: too bad. The family honor was being dragged through the mud.
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  Speaker 2: She felt she had to tell him, so she sent
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  Speaker 2: him a letter, laid it all out.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Did the police check this out? The Arson claims
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  Speaker 1: they did and.
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  Speaker 2: They confirmed it. Her reputation in Giza was quote horrible,
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  Speaker 2: and yes, confirmed instances of her setting fire to neighbors
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  Speaker 2: houses when they confronted her.
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  Speaker 1: So this isn't just gossip. This is a pattern of dangerous,
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  Speaker 1: vengeful behavior.
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  Speaker 2: Precisely. It paints a very clear picture.
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  Speaker 1: So what does this all mean. You've got Nadia's proven
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  Speaker 1: lies about Waggedy's return, this dark, violent history. The police
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  Speaker 1: really have no choice now.
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  Speaker 2: None at all. Yeah, the net was tightening. They had
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  Speaker 2: to bring her in.
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  Speaker 1: So Nadia, Sama, and Sami are all summoned for official questioning.
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  Speaker 2: But only Nadia and Sama show up. Sammy is missing again?
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  Speaker 1: Where is she supposed to be?
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  Speaker 2: Now? Well, we'll get to that. First the interrogation room,
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  Speaker 2: the detective set up a confrontation with the taxi driver
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  Speaker 2: exactly in walks abdel cater and Nadia sees him. Her
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  Speaker 2: reaction pure shock. You could see it on her face,
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  Speaker 2: the moment she realized, Yeah, they knew, they knew Waggedy
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  Speaker 2: came back, they knew she was at the airport with.
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  Speaker 1: Him, and abdel Cata confirms it.
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  Speaker 2: Calmly identifies her. So she was there with Waggedy, with
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  Speaker 2: Sama and another young man, Sammy.
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  Speaker 1: So he puts some at the airport too, undeniable.
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  Speaker 2: Undeniable, but Nadia still denies it, still insists Wagny never arrived.
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  Speaker 1: Even with a driver right there.
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  Speaker 2: Stubborn, incredibly stubborn. And when they press her about Sami,
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  Speaker 2: where he is?
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  Speaker 1: What's her story now?
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  Speaker 2: She claims, you travel to Iraq for work, sticks to
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  Speaker 2: it Iraq.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that sounds convenient.
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  Speaker 2: The detective isn't buying it. See she's not cracking. He
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  Speaker 2: orders her detained.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so Naughty's in custody. What about Sama?
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  Speaker 2: Sama comes in next, Yeah, and she's a wreck, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: visibly terrified, shaking like a leaf.
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  Speaker 1: Poor girl.
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  Speaker 2: She's young, very young to be caught up in this.
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  Speaker 2: The detective takes a firm approach, basically tells her, look,
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  Speaker 2: we know everything confessed now, it might help you later.
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  Speaker 1: Does it work?
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  Speaker 2: It does. She just collapses, completely breaks down, and the
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  Speaker 2: whole horrific story starts pouring out.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, brace yourself. What does she say?
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  Speaker 2: She reveals her mother, Nadia, was having an affair with
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  Speaker 2: a man named Ahmed.
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  Speaker 1: For Golly, Ahmed for Galli, the name mentioned earlier.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and Naddy had actually convinced Waggedy, her husband, to
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  Speaker 2: invest his money in buying a taxi. Okay, why so
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  Speaker 2: she could give it to Ahmed to operate. It was
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  Speaker 2: the perfect cover story. He could come to the house
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  Speaker 2: every day so supposedly to settle accounts for the taxi.
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  Speaker 1: But really for the affair. Clever in a.
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  Speaker 2: Twisted way, Very twisted, and it gets worse. Sma says.
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  Speaker 2: Nadia regularly put sedatives in her and SAME's evening.
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  Speaker 1: Tea sedatives, why.
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  Speaker 2: So they'd be knocked out of sleep, allowing Nadi and
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  Speaker 2: Ahmed to be together in Waggedy's own bedroom undisturbed.
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  Speaker 1: She drugged her own children, night after.
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  Speaker 2: Night, That's what Sama said. So he was older a
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  Speaker 2: medical student.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently until one night something got suspicious.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly one night, he only pretended to drink his tea,
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  Speaker 2: waited up and he saw them, Nadia and Ahmed together.
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  Speaker 1: God, what did he do?
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  Speaker 2: He confronted Ahmed, tried to stand up for his father,
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  Speaker 2: his family, but Ahmed, Ahmed was apparently a big guy, strong.
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  Speaker 2: There was a struggle, and Ahmed strangled Sammy killed.
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  Speaker 1: Him, strangled him right there in front.
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  Speaker 2: Of in front of Nadia, and in front of Sama, who,
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  Speaker 2: by some awful chance, also hadn't drunk her drug tea.
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  Speaker 2: That night. She saw everything.
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  Speaker 1: She witnessed her brother's murder by her mother's lover, with
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  Speaker 1: her mother watching.
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  Speaker 2: I can't even process that. It's unthinkable. And then Nadia
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  Speaker 2: turns on some up threatens her, tells her if you
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  Speaker 2: say a word, you'll end up just like him. Total fear,
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  Speaker 2: and then this awful manipulation begins.
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  Speaker 1: Manipulation.
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  Speaker 2: How Nadia convinced Sama that life would be better now
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  Speaker 2: they'd be free, free from control. That getting rid of
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  Speaker 2: her brother and eventually her father was the past to freedom.
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  Speaker 1: Twisting her grief and fear into complicity.
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  Speaker 2: That's monstrous, truly, some of them watched frozen in terror
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  Speaker 2: as Nadia and Ahmed carried Sami's body out to Ahmed's taxi.
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  Speaker 2: She found out later they buried him somewhere out in the.
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  Speaker 1: Desert, just dispose of him, her own son.
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  Speaker 2: And then, just days after murdering Semi, they get word
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  Speaker 2: that Waggedy the father, is coming home.
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  Speaker 1: So they go to the airport, Nadia, Sama and ahmeded
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  Speaker 1: to meet him, knowing what they'd.
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  Speaker 2: Done exactly like nothing happened. That same night, it's if
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  Speaker 2: Tar during Ramadan. Nadia prepares the tea.
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  Speaker 1: Again, sedatives again for Waggedy and Sama.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Sama drinks hers. She wakes up some time before
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  Speaker 2: dawn and walks into an absolute.
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  Speaker 1: Nightmare, worse than before. How could it be worse?
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  Speaker 2: Naughty and Ahmed had killed Waggedy.
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  Speaker 1: They had beheaded him, No, beheaded the brutality, it's almost unbelievable.
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  Speaker 2: Ahmed then took Waggedy's head, telling Nadia he was going
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  Speaker 2: to bury it near where they buried Semi.
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  Speaker 1: To keep them together. It's grotesque, and he.
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  Speaker 2: Tells Nadia to dismember the rest of the body.
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  Speaker 1: He leaves her to do that.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and Sama witnesses this too. Her mother in the bathroom,
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  Speaker 2: dismembering her father's body while still threatening Sama to keep quiet.
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  Speaker 1: I have no words witnessing that level of horror.
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  Speaker 2: Ahmed comes back, helps finish the dismemberment, and then Sama
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  Speaker 2: says they went to the bedroom delibrate after that. That's
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  Speaker 2: Sama's testimony. Ahmed later took the remaining body parts and
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  Speaker 2: buried them.
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  Speaker 1: On This is just It raises such a profound question.
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  Speaker 1: How does a mother do this to her son, to
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  Speaker 1: her husband? Where does that level of inhumanity come from?
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  Speaker 2: That's the core of it, isn't It forces you to
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  Speaker 2: look beyond the horrific acts themselves and ask why, what
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  Speaker 2: could possibly lead someone down this path?
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  Speaker 1: So, with Sama's confession, the evidence against Nadia is overwhelming.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely faced with it all, Nadia finally decides to talk
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  Speaker 2: to tell her own story from her perspective from the
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  Speaker 2: very beginning.
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  Speaker 1: And her beginning, It's not what you might expect.
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  Speaker 2: Not at all. She takes them back way back to
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  Speaker 2: nineteen sixty, twenty five years before the murders.
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  Speaker 1: What happened then?
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  Speaker 2: Nadia was just fifteen, a high school student, by all accounts, beautiful, innocent.
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  Speaker 1: And wagedy her future husband.
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  Speaker 2: He was her math teacher, also her private tutor, and
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  Speaker 2: he was much older, over twenty years older than her.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that age gap is significant, especially then.
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  Speaker 2: Very He exploited her, her youth, her innocence. He sexually
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  Speaker 2: assaulted her at school.
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  Speaker 1: He assaulted his fifteen year old student. That's the start
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  Speaker 1: of everything, it.
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  Speaker 2: Seems so, and the trauma just compounded from there. Nadia
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  Speaker 2: got pregnant.
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  Speaker 1: From the assault at fifteen, Yes, and her family instead
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  Speaker 1: of protecting her, supporting her, they focused on their honor,
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  Speaker 1: their reputation.
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  Speaker 2: So what did they do?
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  Speaker 1: They forced Wagdy to marry.
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  Speaker 2: Her to cover it up, forced marriage to her abuser
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  Speaker 2: m M.
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  Speaker 1: And then and then something truly horrific. Shortly after the
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  Speaker 1: forced marriage, when Naughty was only about five months pregnant,
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  Speaker 1: she gave birth prematurely.
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  Speaker 2: To the baby conceived from the assault. Yes, and the.
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  Speaker 1: Family, to hide the shame of such a quick berth
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  Speaker 1: after the wedding, they killed the newborn baby.
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  Speaker 2: They murdered her grandchild to save face.
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  Speaker 1: That's what Natia accounted. So picture Naudia still basically a child,
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: herself assaulted, forced into marriage, and then forced to watch
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  Speaker 1: her own infant be murdered by her family, all for honor.
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  Speaker 2: How does anyone even survive that, let alone recover?
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  Speaker 1: It seems she didn't, not really. On the surface, the
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: years passed, they had some me, they had some ah,
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  Speaker 1: they moved away to the Gulf, seemed like a normal life.
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  Speaker 2: But underneath, underneath all that trauma, that resentment, it just festered.
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  Speaker 2: She felt trapped. Married to her abuser, a man decades older.
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  Speaker 2: She felt her youth was gone, stolen, controlled, unfulfilled.
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  Speaker 1: Which explains why she was so desperate to come back
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  Speaker 1: to Egypt later.
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  Speaker 2: That was her bid for freedom, it seems, a chance
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  Speaker 2: to finally live, maybe reclaim something she felt she'd lost.
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: And that's when she met Ahmed.
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  Speaker 1: Fergali, the taxi driver.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, he admired her, flattered her. The affair started. It
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: wasn't just about him, though, it seems it was fueled
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  Speaker 2: by this deep need in Nadia to feel young again,
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: to feel desired, to have some autonomy.
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: Did Waggedy ever find out before the end.
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: According to Nadia, Yes, she even confessed the affair to
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: him at one point ask for a.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: Divorce and he refused.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: He refused, but his reason is chillingly indifferent. He apparently
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: told or he didn't care about the affair as long
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: as she stayed married to him for the children's sake,
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: and care that in difference, it seems it, in difference,
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: just deepened her contempt. It twisted things further. It wasn't
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: just about finding love or freedom anymore. It became about revenge,
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: revenge against the man the life that she felt had
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: destroyed her from the start.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: So the murders, they weren't just about clearing the way
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: for her lover. They were a final violent act of
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: breaking free, a warped sense of liberation.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: That's certainly one interpretation connecting her past trauma to her
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: later actions. The sexual exploitation, the forced marriage, the infanticide.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: It set her on this tragic path. The affair was
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: a symptom, maybe, but the murders became this brutal, distorted
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: attempt to eliminate everything and everyone she associated with, that control,
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: that loss of self.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: A horrifying trajectory, victim turned perpetrator in the most extreme
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: way imaginable.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: It really highlights how unaddressed trauma, especially within a system
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: that prioritizes reputation over justice or healing, can just warp
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: everything it's a cycle of destruction.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: So after all the confessions, the trial, what was the outcome?
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: The verdict came down. Nadia and Ahmed Fargali were both
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: found guilty of premeditated murder. Both were sentenced to.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: Death, and Sama, the daughter who witnessed so much.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: Some are, received a ten year prison sentence for her
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: complicity for covering up the murders. Her life just utterly
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: shattered before it really.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Began ten years after living through that hell.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: It's a deeply complex, deeply tragic case all around. You
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: see this cycle so clearly. Nadia undeniably a victim of
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: terrible injustices early on, it.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: Compings the perpetrator of equally terrible injustices, later losing her
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: own humanity, that maternal connection everything.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: Destroying her entire family in this desperate, completely misguided attempt
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: to find a freedom that in the end only led
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: to her own complete destruction.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: It leaves you with such a heavy feeling and a
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: really chilling final thought to consider. Yeah, when trauma like
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: that goes unaddressed, when those kinds of deep injustices are
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: just swept under the rug, ignored, left unpunished, how does
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: that poison seep into a person's life, and what kind
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: of irreparable damage does it end up inflicting, not just
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: on them, but on everyone around them, Rippling outwards,