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Content Creator Meredith Lynch Takes Us On A Deep Dive · Miss Understood with Rachel Uchitel

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  Speaker 1: I'm your host, Rachel Yucatel. So you probably know today's
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  Speaker 1: guest from her TikTok deep dives, which I'm absolutely obsessed with.
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  Speaker 1: I was thrilled to get a chance to chat with
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  Speaker 1: Meredith Lynch. She's become somewhat of an internet sleuth, uncovering
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  Speaker 1: scams and scandals with celebrities and their companies. She's gotten
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  Speaker 1: so good at investigating that last year she was even
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  Speaker 1: served with a cease and desist letter from both Rachel
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  Speaker 1: Zoe and Bethany Frankel. She's smart, funny. I could have
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  Speaker 1: talked to her for hours. We get into everything from grief,
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  Speaker 1: our stories on people that we've lost. And then she
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  Speaker 1: goes all the way through to talking about pop culture.
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  Speaker 1: She's so good at taking a pop culture story and
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  Speaker 1: breaking it down differently than anyone else does. I got
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  Speaker 1: her point of view on everything from Drew Barrymore reversing
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  Speaker 1: her decision to go back into production to the new
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  Speaker 1: Russell Brand allegations. I think you guys are going to
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  Speaker 1: love her. I did. So take a listen to Meredith Lynch.
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  Speaker 2: Hi.
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  Speaker 3: Hi, Rachel. It's so great to meet you and be
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  Speaker 3: with you. Thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 1: It is so great to finally meet you. We have
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  Speaker 1: a mutual friend, as you know, Tim Batici, who we're
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  Speaker 1: both obsessed with. I know him personally. I don't really
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  Speaker 1: think you know him besides the internet, right?
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  Speaker 3: Right. But that's like how I know most people now.
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  Speaker 1: Right, well, me too. But Tim, I happen to know, he,
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  Speaker 1: I guess, slipped into, well, I think you had a
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  Speaker 1: live that you were doing and he started texting you
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  Speaker 1: and he sent me a video of you responding and
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  Speaker 1: being like, wait a minute, I know that name, Rachel,
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  Speaker 1: you could tell. Do you remember this? And you were
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  Speaker 1: like walking.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, totally.
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  Speaker 1: And he was like, you should be on her podcast.
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  Speaker 1: And it seemed like you knew every detail about me.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, oh my God, that's amazing. I
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  Speaker 1: have to look into who this girl is. And then
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  Speaker 1: I did a deep dive basically on all the stuff
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  Speaker 1: that you do. And I was like, she's amazing. This
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  Speaker 1: is so great. Because everything that you talk about is
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  Speaker 1: stuff that I'm like, what's the deal with XYZ? And
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  Speaker 1: as I said to you when we were texting that
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  Speaker 1: I have these people in my head that are my
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  Speaker 1: fake best friends, which would include Kathy Griffin, Chris Hansen
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  Speaker 1: from to catch a predator, John Oliver, and sometimes Bill Maher.
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  Speaker 1: Now we could talk about the breaking news that he's
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  Speaker 1: stepped out of, you know, wanting to do, you know,
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  Speaker 1: bad things or whatever, but like now you would be
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  Speaker 1: in my group of, Oh my God.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you. I'm honored to be there. Honestly, it would
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  Speaker 3: be a hell of a party. I feel like it
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  Speaker 3: would be a great, great group of people. I also
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  Speaker 3: love Chris Hansen. One time I won like through NBC,
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  Speaker 3: I won, like they were like, you can get a
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  Speaker 3: frame or not a framed, like a signed photo of
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  Speaker 3: someone who hosts Dateline. Like I won a contest for it.
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  Speaker 3: And I, I don't know how this was like 15
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  Speaker 3: years ago. Right. And so like I stalked, the people
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  Speaker 3: at NBC to get my photo. I kept being like,
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  Speaker 3: where's my photo? Where's my photo? And then finally, one
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  Speaker 3: day in the mail, I get this Manila envelope in Sharpie.
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  Speaker 3: It's addressed to me. And I'm like, what is this?
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  Speaker 3: Is this like someone like, is this like a scary letter?
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  Speaker 3: What is this? And I open it up and all
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  Speaker 3: that's in it is just a signed photo of Chris Hansen's.
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  Speaker 1: But did you put it on your wall?
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  Speaker 3: Yes. Oh my God. Yes. It was on my fridge
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  Speaker 3: for a while. And I was like, they were probably like,
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  Speaker 3: shut this girl up. Like she's like, she won't stop
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  Speaker 3: harassing us.
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  Speaker 1: The squeaky wheel gets the grease. And I actually am
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  Speaker 1: so obsessed with him that I had him on my
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  Speaker 1: show and I made him do that whole thing with,
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  Speaker 1: will you please take a seat? I mean, it was
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  Speaker 1: so embarrassing. Um, so, you know, he, he, I made
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  Speaker 1: him repeat it a couple of times. I'm just obsessed
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  Speaker 1: with him and his stories are fantastic. So anyway, you know,
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  Speaker 1: he hosts, he owns his own network now called true blue.
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  Speaker 1: It's really cool. It's a streaming network. It's all stuff
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  Speaker 1: like the ID network. It's all dateline type stuff. He's
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  Speaker 1: recreated to catch a predator. Everyone should watch it. He's fantastic.
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  Speaker 3: I can't get enough of that stuff. So it's good
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  Speaker 3: to know.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: So part of why I felt like we had a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of a kinship is because we both have
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  Speaker 1: shared beyond a lot of opinions, but we've shared losing
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  Speaker 1: a parent. And I don't want to get too sad
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  Speaker 1: on this podcast, but I do want to talk about
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  Speaker 1: it for a second because I know you do talk
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  Speaker 1: about grief and how that's affected you. And it's obviously
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  Speaker 1: affected me. And I don't know if you can share
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  Speaker 1: some of your story and how it's affected your life
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  Speaker 1: and where you are today. But I would love to
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  Speaker 1: hear a little bit about that and the impact that
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  Speaker 1: your mom had on you and your family.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, Rachel. I really do enjoy talking about that.
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  Speaker 3: And I feel like I love meeting like grief pals,
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  Speaker 3: like people who just get it. And I have to say,
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  Speaker 3: like I was saying what I think it was on
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  Speaker 3: that walk, my live where I started talking about you
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  Speaker 3: and you're probably like, is this girl my stalker? Like
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  Speaker 3: I promise now, but I remember, I really do remember
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  Speaker 3: the first time that I saw you. Cause I remember
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  Speaker 3: the first time I saw you was on the news,
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  Speaker 3: you know after September 11th, I can remember seeing the
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  Speaker 3: photos of you. And but yeah, Then, you know, of course,
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  Speaker 3: years later, seeing you on VH1 and I was like,
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  Speaker 3: I was, you know, I was young, but I was like,
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  Speaker 3: this woman's grieving. Like this woman is deeply grieving. That's
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  Speaker 3: what's going on here. And I just was like, and
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  Speaker 3: I think you knew that. And I think it was
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  Speaker 3: like coming to a head, but I just, I felt
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  Speaker 3: for you and I just appreciated your authenticity and your story.
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  Speaker 3: And I think you have given people a real gift
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  Speaker 3: by sharing your story and sharing your vulnerabilities. So thank
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  Speaker 3: you for that. Yeah. I, my mom passed away when
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  Speaker 3: I was a junior in high school. Your dad died
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  Speaker 3: when you were like a teenager, right?
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  Speaker 1: I was 15.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And so, yeah, I was, I was 17 and I
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  Speaker 3: I feel like my life is divided in between like
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  Speaker 3: before my mom died and after my mom died. Do
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  Speaker 3: you feel that way about your dad?
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Like down to like thing, like down to like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: that TV show was on. That one wasn't. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, 100%.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like the... Well, obviously it changed me as
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  Speaker 1: a person, but thinking of things from before and after,
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  Speaker 1: it definitely separated my life. Like I'm from Anchorage, Alaska.
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  Speaker 1: My life is also separated from when I lived there
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  Speaker 1: versus when I lived in New York. And I can remember... people, images, thoughts, feelings, clearly.
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  Speaker 1: And I left when I was five. So it really
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  Speaker 1: divided my life. And I felt like I had to
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  Speaker 1: grow up immediately and become a different person. Although I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if you felt like this, so many people
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  Speaker 1: are around you when things like that happen, right at
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  Speaker 1: the beginning, especially. And this happened both for when my
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  Speaker 1: father died when I was 15. And then when I
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  Speaker 1: lost Andy, when I was 26, so many people are
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  Speaker 1: around for at least a month, right? And I remember
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  Speaker 1: it kept me from really dealing with it. And the
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  Speaker 1: first time I dealt with it or felt anything, I
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  Speaker 1: was in the shower and it was probably because I
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  Speaker 1: was alone and no one could be bothering me. My
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  Speaker 1: head was just, you know, my thoughts were with myself
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  Speaker 1: and I just started hysterically crying. And that was the
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  Speaker 1: first time I felt that feeling of like emptiness or
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  Speaker 1: loss mixed with like an anger of like, how could
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  Speaker 1: you do this to me? Like, how could you leave
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  Speaker 1: me here? And I think that was like the saddest
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  Speaker 1: thing for me. And it's always been that, like that,
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  Speaker 1: that I felt kind of left behind. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if you feel like that.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, a thousand percent. It's like in the beginning, everybody
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  Speaker 3: else is processing it too. Right. And so they're going
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  Speaker 3: to show up and they bring you food and, you know,
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  Speaker 3: it doesn't feel good, but like, at least you're not
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  Speaker 3: totally alone. And then like, then like a little bit
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  Speaker 3: of time goes by and people go back to their
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  Speaker 3: regular lives. And I totally get that. Like, I understand
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  Speaker 3: that that has to happen, but at the same time,
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  Speaker 3: that's when I think the grief really starts to come out.
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  Speaker 3: And that's when I think you need the most support.
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  Speaker 3: And it's when you start, the support gets less and less. Right. So,
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  Speaker 3: and like, it is the messiest part. Like I really like,
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  Speaker 3: I give so much grace to the people who stayed
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  Speaker 3: in my life, like right after my mom died, like
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  Speaker 3: not like a month after, but like a year after
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  Speaker 3: and two years after, like, if you stuck with me
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  Speaker 3: through that, I am so grateful because it was. was
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  Speaker 3: messy and it is hard. But at the same time,
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  Speaker 3: like those are the people who really, I feel like
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  Speaker 3: cared and stuck around when it was tough. And I
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  Speaker 3: don't know if you have like people like that too.
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  Speaker 3: You're like, oh, okay. You were actually there, but like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: there's a lot of people who fly in and they
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  Speaker 3: bring food and they're really sorry that everything happened to you.
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  Speaker 3: And then you like never see.
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  Speaker 1: And then, okay.
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  Speaker 3: How about the people that you like never see again
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  Speaker 3: after that, who you thought you were close with?
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  Speaker 1: I know it's such a weird thing too. Well, people
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  Speaker 1: deal with grief and death in such weird ways, which
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  Speaker 1: is fine. But, you know, I also remember for me,
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  Speaker 1: I was like weirded out about feeling okay. Laughing after,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like I, I caught myself
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  Speaker 1: laughing and I was like, oh, my God, I shouldn't be.
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  Speaker 1: And it wasn't even about that. It was I shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: be happy. I shouldn't be going on. And then another
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  Speaker 1: thing that, you know, two things that I really dealt
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  Speaker 1: with and I want to know if you feel like this.
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  Speaker 1: I kind of went down a path of like not caring,
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  Speaker 1: being like, you know, this is so awful that. just,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what this whole thing is about. Everything
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  Speaker 1: happens for a reason. Nothing happens for a reason. This
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  Speaker 1: can't happen to someone like this. I'm just done with
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  Speaker 1: like having any sense of right and wrong. Cause I
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  Speaker 1: just don't even know what that means anymore because nothing
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  Speaker 1: seemed real. And what did you feel like that at all?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, a thousand percent. Like, I feel like after my
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  Speaker 3: mom died, I was like, well, the worst things already
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  Speaker 3: happened to me. So who cares?
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Who cares what I do? Who cares? Like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: who knows if I'll even, I don't know if you've
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  Speaker 3: experienced this with your dad passing away, but like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm getting close to the age that my mom was
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  Speaker 3: when she died. And I'm like, who knows if I'll
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  Speaker 3: even make it that far. And like, that's something I
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  Speaker 3: work on. Do you have that?
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  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, my father died when he was 44 and
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  Speaker 1: my 44th year, I was like weirded out by it.
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  Speaker 1: When I turned 45, I remember thinking I'm older than
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  Speaker 1: my dad was when he died. And this is so
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  Speaker 1: bizarre and weird. And like, It's just so sad to
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  Speaker 1: me that he was so young. I mean, I can't,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'm 48 now to think this age, cause
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  Speaker 1: I still feel like I'm 25, you know?
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  Speaker 3: Well, you look incredible by the way, you guys, I
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  Speaker 3: know you can see her, but like Jesus Christ, she
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  Speaker 3: is gorgeous. Like, but anyway, carry on Miss aging in reverse.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, I just, it obviously affects people differently. It
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  Speaker 1: took me many years and still I get trapped in
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  Speaker 1: it a little bit of, So you lost your mother.
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  Speaker 1: For me, I don't have great relationships with men. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't really learn unconditional love so well. Because of that,
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if you felt like you missed out on
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  Speaker 1: some nurturing. I felt like I had to hide a lot.
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  Speaker 1: It's almost like an embarrassment that I lost a parent,
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  Speaker 1: especially the way that I lost him. Did you feel
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  Speaker 1: that way at all going through it?
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  Speaker 3: A thousand percent. I remember being so embarrassed moving into
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  Speaker 3: college because I didn't have my mom. Like everybody had
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  Speaker 3: a mom, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone's mom was moving them in. And I had like
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  Speaker 3: my aunt who was like kind of like half like
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  Speaker 3: paying attention because she had her own family and her
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  Speaker 3: own kids. And then my dad, who's really nice, but
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  Speaker 3: like he wasn't totally fully equipped to do all this stuff. Right.
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  Speaker 3: And so I do feel like I would hide sometimes.
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  Speaker 3: Like I, it was really hard for me to tell
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  Speaker 3: people that I lost my mom. And I don't know
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  Speaker 3: if you went through this, but like sometimes I would
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  Speaker 3: tell people like, oh, well, my mom passed away and
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  Speaker 3: they'd be like, oh, okay. And I'm like, no, no, no. Like,
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  Speaker 3: this is like a big deal. Did you ever have
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  Speaker 3: that happen? Yes. Yes. And you're like, I just shared
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  Speaker 3: something vulnerable with you. So I got to the point
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  Speaker 3: where I was like, you know what? I'm just not
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  Speaker 3: telling people like, because you go through this experience where
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  Speaker 3: you are vulnerable. And so then I think what I
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  Speaker 3: Even though I had my dad, I think I still
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  Speaker 3: pursued really bad relationships because I felt like the person
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  Speaker 3: who loved me the most left me. I mean, obviously
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  Speaker 3: she couldn't control that. I get that. But the person
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  Speaker 3: who loved me the most left me. And I would
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  Speaker 3: seek out people who I think I knew deep down
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  Speaker 3: were not available anymore. Yeah. And, and then you could
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  Speaker 3: leave that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And you could leave them before they could leave,
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  Speaker 1: or you wouldn't really care if something, not if something
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  Speaker 1: happened to them, but kind of like, you know, you
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  Speaker 1: are going to go down a path of like being
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  Speaker 1: okay with yourself. And if they disappeared, that, that was okay.
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  Speaker 3: And normal.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, for me, I lost my father to a
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  Speaker 1: cocaine overdose and then my fiance to terrorist murdering. And
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  Speaker 1: it's like, If that can happen, then like no one's
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  Speaker 1: staying around because the odds of that happening are zero
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  Speaker 1: to none.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And then like the fact that it keeps happening to
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  Speaker 1: me just to me meant no one was going to stay. So,
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  Speaker 1: you know, even with something like cancer, you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: such a scary thing. And even when someone gets it,
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  Speaker 1: you're like, but they'll never die from it. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I know someone who will go through that, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And then when it happens, you're just like, well, how
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  Speaker 1: did that happen? How did that happen? Obviously to them,
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  Speaker 1: but how did it happen to me that I'm that
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  Speaker 1: person that had to survive it? Surviving it is, is
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  Speaker 1: tough too, you know? So anyways, I have a lot
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  Speaker 1: of respect for you because I love hearing you open
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  Speaker 1: up about it. I think it's so important to have
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  Speaker 1: a platform that you do where you can talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: And I love that you kind of talk about this
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  Speaker 1: like dead mother's club kind of, because as you were saying,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people you'll be like, oh yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: went through this, I lost this person and people that
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  Speaker 1: don't get it or haven't had a parent die kind
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  Speaker 1: of dismiss it because they just don't know how big
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  Speaker 1: of a deal it is. And even if you don't
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  Speaker 1: deal with it, inside, it really, you know, is breaking
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  Speaker 1: something inside. So to all those people listening, we get you.
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  Speaker 3: We see you and like, we get it. And it
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  Speaker 3: is fricking hard and find other people who have been
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  Speaker 3: through it. Don't you think that's like, has that been
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  Speaker 3: helpful for you to like meet other people who have
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And also you don't have to go through something
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  Speaker 1: Grief is grief. So you don't have to compare anyone's
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  Speaker 1: It's like if someone is feeling lost grief, being lost
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  Speaker 1: did you go to college?
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  Speaker 3: Also, I went to a small like Catholic college in
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: in outside of Boston. But I think did you go
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: to UNH?
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: I did.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Which is a really weird scenario. I went because my
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: boyfriend went from high school. Don't ask. It was so dumb.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: We broke up the first week and then I basically
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: dated the whole football team. So I had to get.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: Out of there.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: I graduated a year early because I was so over it.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: And did you go right to New York?
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: I did.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: I did. But I know that you moved out to LA.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Did you go because you had big aspirations? I know
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: you want to have a talk show. Did you think
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: that way back then? Why'd you do that?
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: So my husband and I were in the pandemic and
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: we were like, okay, who knows how long this is
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: going to last? And I say this with the caveat
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: that I realize this sounds a little privileged, but My
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: husband wanted to go to business school and we just
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: wanted a change. And we were like, if we're going
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: to be stuck somewhere, like let's be stuck somewhere where
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: the weather's better. Let's like have a change in our lives.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: And so we decided to move out to LA. I
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: got a job out here. I've always worked in like
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: the nonprofit sector. I got a job in that field
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: and he started going to business school out here. And
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: while we were out here, like we moved during the pandemic,
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: I knew no one. So it was like, okay, it's like,
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: you can't even, you couldn't even go out to eat
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: when we first moved here. Like the air quality was
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: the worst it's ever been because there was so much
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: cremation happening. Like it was so awful. And so it
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: was like, okay, so I can't, I don't, there's nothing
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: I can do. So I just started making TikToks and like,
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: I started making videos about like makeup and like pop
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: culture and things like that. And then they just took
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: off from there. And then it just kind of became
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: this thing. So I still have like my regular nine
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: to five job. I still do that. And then I
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: do this day.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: You still, yeah.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I know. I'm losing my mind a little bit.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: I'm losing my mind a little bit. And the celebs
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: are keeping me busy this month. Cause they're out of control,
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: but it's been a lot of fun. And like, I
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: was always like, I majored in communications. Did you major
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: in communications? You seem like you want to. Yeah.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Cause UNH has like a psychology. I did it.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: Oh, look at you. See, you're smart.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Well, no, I just had been through a lot of psychology.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: So I knew I could ace that in case I
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: didn't ace the other one. That's the only reason.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: So I was like, you know, this all felt very
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: natural to me. And because like, I have this background
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: in nonprofit working on a lot of like marketing communications
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: type things. I think I am able to like look
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: at pop culture and celebrity a little bit differently. And like,
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: I was an inquirer kid in the sense that like
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: my mother would read the inquirer and I would like
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: sneak it. Like I've always wanted... to read the like headlines.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: I always love celebrities. Like that was just my thing.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: It's always fascinated me. And so now I'm here and
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: just taking it one day at a time.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: So you had something that kind of went viral. I
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: think that started everything off. Am I getting that right?
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: The thing with what a celebrity eats in a day
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: or something like that. Did you make that answer? Like,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: tell me about that. How did that go viral? What
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: did you do?
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: You know, I don't know how it exactly came to be,
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: but somebody was like, oh, you need to look at like,
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: I think it was like Kelly Ripa's What I Eat
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: in a Day. They were like, you need to look
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: at Kelly Ripa's What I Eat in a Day. And
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: I was like, okay, sure, whatever. Like I'll look at it.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: So I looked at it and then I started making
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: these videos where I would like deep dive into them
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: because like they really are like, first of all, a
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: lot of it is advertising, right? Like a lot of
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: these ones when they do these What I Eat in
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: a Days is like, oh, I eat like, you know,
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: I drink athletic greens. Is that your sponsor? Sorry, I
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: don't want to fuck you up.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: No, not at all.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: Okay. So a lot of people are sponsored by Athletic Greens,
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: but I was like, you know, I'm not necessarily saying
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: it was that one, but it would be like, oh,
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: I eat these gummies and then I do this. And
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: then I watched this TV show while I work out.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: And you're just like, this is basically an advertisement, but
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: also like, it's not great eating tips. And I also
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: am very of the place of like, you know, I
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: think it's fine to get like some ideas from celebrities
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: about how to live your life. But sometimes the food stuff,
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: I think you have to be really careful about. And like,
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: I've dealt with food issues. Like, I just think it's
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: good for us to look at these things through a
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: critical lens and remember that these are celebrities and they're
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: like plugging something. So I started doing those and they
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: kind of took off and then I just kept doing
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: stuff and doing stuff. And then Bethany Frankel tried to
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: sue me and Rachel Zoe tried to sue me. And like,
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: then it just kept going from there.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: So I want to ask you about that briefly. So
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: how do you decide like that you're going to do
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: a deep dive in something and like how, well, first
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: of all, answer that. Okay.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: That's a really good question because people send me stuff
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: all the time. They're like, I want you to deep
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: dive this. And like, you guys, I say this with
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: so much love, like the deep dives are come to
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: me I you know what I mean like I don't
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: know if you ever feel like this and stuff in
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: your life it's like I have to kind of find
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: them and get drawn into them and want to do
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: them like I can't just and sometimes people like they
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: have a real personal connection to one they'll be like
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: I want you to deep dive this because it's like
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: affecting me and it's like like that's just like they
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: just happen right like they're very organic and typically I'm
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: working behind the scenes on one for quite a while
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: before I will put the video out like I really
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: check my resources and.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: So it's something that has started as a red flag
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: to you. Exactly. What's the deal with this?
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Exactly. And that's not to say that sometimes people don't
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: send me something and I go, oh, that's weird. But
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: the ones that have turned out the best for me
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: are the ones that organically strike me. And I bet
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: you feel the same way about like when people are like, oh,
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: you should have so-and-so on your show. And you're like,
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: I don't like, okay, maybe, but if you, if you
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: saw them and you were like, I want to have them,
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: it's different. Does that make sense?
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Of course. Then I chase it with a vengeance, like
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: a stalker until I get to the bottom of it
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: and get them on the show. No, I totally hear you.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: So like, for example, with Rachel Zoe, how did that
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: come about?
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. So I think what happened is somebody actually,
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: this is so interesting. Somebody told me to do a,
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: what I eat in a day on her. They were like, Oh,
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: do a Rachel's out what I eat in a day.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: And I couldn't, I know I couldn't really find what, right?
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: Like there was no, there was nothing out there. So
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: I was like, well, I can't really find one, but
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: I was like, Oh, what's she up to? So what
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: happened was I started like just reading her like Instagram stuff,
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: like looking at her Instagram stuff. And then I remembered
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: that she had one of those subscription boxes. Have you
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: ever done one of those?
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: I have, but I, you know, they've never worked for me,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: but Alison, my producer was telling me how she did
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: like a fun fit fab something. I don't know what
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: it is. And she said she loves it. So they, they,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: it worked for her, but it's never worked for me.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Like that stitch fix stuff, like that stuff doesn't work. Yeah.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: And have you? So I think I did it like once,
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: like I've tried one or two, but nothing, like nothing
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: ever took off for me. And like in the back
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: of the day, like I gifted Birchbox to people, like,
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, like 10 years ago. People seem to like
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: it as a Christmas present for people. But people say
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: FabFitFun is one of the better of the ones out there.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: So I'll say that. So I started looking at the
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: fact that Rachel had a subscription box. And then I
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: started reading the comments on the subscription box. The company
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: is called Curator. And they put out a subscription box.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: They do it once a season. And so you get
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: like four boxes a year. So I started looking at
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: the comments on the Curator Instagram page. And they were just...
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: out of control. Like it would be like, I haven't
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: gotten a box in a year and you're charging my
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: credit card. I got, you know, stuff in the box
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: and it wasn't what, you know, like it broke or
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: you charged me twice and I can't get in touch
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: with customer service. And a lot of their posts would
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: be like, we're so sorry. Like we're having delays. And like,
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: that's just weird, right? Like for a company that's weird.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: So I started making videos about it being like, Hey,
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: check out the comments. This is really weird. And then,
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: I started digging into some of the companies that were
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: in the boxes. And I think this is fascinating. So
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: I'll share it with you. So you would see like
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: an eyeshadow in the boxes. Like I'm going to make
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: up the name of it. Like, like, I don't know.
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• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Duchess eyeshadows or something, right? And you'd be like, it'd
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: be like vegan eyeshadow. And, you know, it's, I don't know, organic.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: And you'd be like, I've never heard of that brand, right? Like,
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: it's not like, oh, it's a, you know, Morphe palette
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: or something like that. Yeah. Like, I'd never heard of that.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: So like, what the hell is that? So then you'd
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: go and look on the Instagram page of the company
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: because they would tag it. And it would have like
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: 70 Instagram followers. And it would only have like four
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: posts and you'd go on the website and the website
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: would be like no product on it, totally sold out.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: So you'd be like, wait a minute. And then you'd
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: look up the address and it would like link back
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: to other companies that she has in her boxes. So
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: I'm like, this is what they do. They're going private label,
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: creating brands. And then they put them in the boxes
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: and they're like, oh, this is like an... It doesn't
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: mean that it isn't organic. It doesn't mean that it
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: isn't like vegan or whatever. But it's not like.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: But it's not these individual companies that are participating.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: Exactly. And so it's not like, oh my God, here's
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: a cool brand. Because the whole point of the boxes, right?
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: Is that you're supposed to find a product that you
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: love and then want to buy more of it, right?
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: So you can't really do that with that. So I
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: started calling that out and then... I was a little
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: bit newer to the game. So I guess I shouldn't
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: have said that she was Bernie Madoff in a caftan.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: It was a joke, Rachel. Kind of funny. All right.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: So she sends me a cease and desist. And that
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: was that. Yeah.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: But cease and desist for what? For, for talking about,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: for defaming her?
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: So basically what they said in the cease and desist is,
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: and you and I probably both know this, but just
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: for people out there, like a cease and desist is
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: not a legal letter. It is not from a court.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: It's basically just being like, Hey, you're on our radar
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: and you should stop. And they said like that. I was,
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: They said I defamed her by calling her Bernie Madoff
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: in a caftan, which is a joke. But they also
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: said that the comments that I shared, like, you know,
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: I was screenshotting the comments. They said that I photoshopped them.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Wow. How could they even say that?
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: They, I mean, they could, they just could, you know,
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: so they were like.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Well, I guess they were creating a narrative in case
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: it played out later.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: That's pretty crazy. Ridiculous. Okay. Right.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: So then did you stop talking about her? I did.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: As I know, because I've gotten a couple and I've
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: sent plenty are meant to scare people.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: Yes, I did get scared just because I'd never gotten
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: that before. And it was very scary. And I only
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: had 12 business hours to respond. So I only had
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: 12 visits to take things down and to figure out
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: what to do. So as you know, like a Friday
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: in L.A. to find a lawyer when you're not somebody
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: who's been through this is not easy. So I was like,
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: all right. So I ended up getting a lawyer and
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: figuring out the best thing to do. And the best
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: thing to do was to take them down.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Even though you had not Photoshopped them? No.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And like, I was just like, I
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: just wanted it to go away. Right. Like, and I'm
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: sure you've been there too, where you're like, you know what?
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: I just wanted this to go away. Like, this is gonna,
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: I want to protect my peace. But the funny thing was,
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: is they asked my lawyer to have me write a
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: letter and say, I would never defame Rachel Zoe again.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: And my lawyer was like, absolutely not. Because he said,
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: what they're trying to do is get you to put
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: in writing that you defamed her. Yeah. And then they're
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: going to take it to a judge. And so I'm
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: really glad that, you know, I was grateful that I
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: was able to get a lawyer. Glad that I did that.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: And I did take them down. I've since put some
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: of them back up. Right.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Well, has anyone has anyone called them out for it? Like, really? Like,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: has the New York Times done a deep dive themselves?
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Because I feel like that's something that people would look
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: into the fact that. like you've talked about on your TikToks,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: that a lot of these businesses seem not legitimate or
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: seem like there's something up with them. And I think
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: that that would give people some red flags to want
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: to do some digging.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: Well, you know what's funny? I actually think that this
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: is a story that could be picked up and I'm
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: kind of surprised that it hasn't been. I just watched...
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: Have you seen that new documentary BS High about the
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: fake high school?
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: No, but I did watch it.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: You should watch it. Yeah. Because I'm like... Rachel's not
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: the only one doing it. Like so are other subscription boxes.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: So about a month ago, this is good. About a
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: month ago, I hear from this woman and she basically
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: is like, I own a small business. I did a
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: deal with Rachel Zoe's curator box and she has and
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: she's not paying me. And it's like three months past
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: the date. And the funny thing was, is like a
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: month before, cause you don't like, I'm still keeping a
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: pulse on things, Rachel, a month before I go on
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: the Instagram and I look at it and there is
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: a small business that literally wrote in different than this
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: one that said, Hey, we've been trying to get our
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: past due payment for months. Please reach out to us
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: and let us know how we can get paid. I
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: was like, that's not normal. Like, you know what I mean?
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: Like it's not normal to see like companies asking to
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: be paid via Instagram comments.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: That's what I was going to say. They obviously couldn't
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: reach them through their contact at the company. So they
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: had to go kind of public with that. That's incredible.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: Right. So this other woman going through the same thing
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: and she's like, here's the deal. So I made a
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: video about it and I was like, Rachel Zoe, you
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: need to pay your vendors. Like you, yeah, you probably
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: saw it. And so, you know, the good news is-
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: And what happened?
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Did anything happen from that?
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: She got paid.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: I know like 48 hours later, in the meantime, Rachel
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: Zoe's team did reach out to me and they were like,
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: you need to take your video down. And I was like, no,
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: not taking it down. Cause like all, I was like,
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: this is alleged, this is what I've been told. Like
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: now I know all.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: The little things to say. So now you know the
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: key words.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: Yes, exactly. And so I was like, I just ignored
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: their emails. Like they sent me two emails that were like,
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: the first one was like pretty nice. And then the
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: second one was like, you need to take it down immediately.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: We will not stand for this. I'm like, I'm not
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: taking this down. Like, I'm sorry, I'm not. I know
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: like it is. I know it sounds like people think
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: it's so silly, but like it is actually like it
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: is freedom of speech to be able to say like
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: that that.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, there's, you know, it's interesting because people get
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: freedom of speech mixed up, sort of, you know, it's
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: one thing to defame someone, to call them ugly, old, fat,
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: you know, a whore, whatever it is that they're saying.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: But it's another thing when you have facts and you're
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: just talking about, you know, things that are facts and,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: you know, and you're putting out the evidence that is
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: freedom of speech. I mean, don't you think? And making
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: people aware as long as you're not lying and coming
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: up with evidence that is not there.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: Right. And, you know, if it was true, if this
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: was untrue, I think Rachel and her team could have
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: done something to refute it openly, but they didn't. And,
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: you know, the woman ended up getting paid in 48
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: hours and that is all I wanted. And so as
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: soon as that happened, I did an update and said,
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: I've been told that she's been paid. That's amazing. That's
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: all we wanted.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: That's amazing. Yeah, that's amazing. And shows how big your
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: platform is. I mean, that says a lot. Do you
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: think you have something to do with the fact that
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Drew Barrymore decided to not go back to work because
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: of everything that you were talking about on your TikTok?
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: You know, it's so funny you say that because a
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: couple of people reached out and they were like, I
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: think this has to do with like Debra Messing calling
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: her out. And I think it's a combination. I think
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: it's a little bit of column A, a little bit
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: of column B. There were a few creators. Do you
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: know Molly McPherson? She does a lot of PR stuff.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: And she was calling it out, a couple of other creators,
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: along with members of WGA, et cetera. So I think
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: that it was a collective thing. And In my video
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: where I called out Drew, I really tried to remind
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: people that this isn't like, oh my God, we now
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: hate Drew Barrymore and we need to cancel Drew Barrymore.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: It's not about that. It's just that this was a
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: bad decision to do. And if you watch her video,
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: it's pretty strategic what she's doing. It was very much
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: a PR thing and I'm really glad that she changed
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: her mind. So I don't know if I definitely played
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: a part, but I don't think it hurt her.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I do think it was interesting that, you know,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: she did what she did. She said what she said.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: And then she came out again, probably a PR move
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: because she was just about to be canceled. Really, you know,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: was like, I've made the decision. I've listened. I've learned.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: And I'm going to take a step back. But what
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: I thought was interesting is she was like the leader
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: of the pack because then the talk said they were
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: going to continue to shoot Jennifer Hudson. And then as
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: soon as Drew backed out, they backed out. So it
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: was a very interesting thing because she she does have
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: a lot of power, I guess, like her or not.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: But you were very clear from the beginning. I remember
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: listening to you saying, I've always been a fan of
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Drew Barrymore. And I think I did see some of
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: the comments in on your TikTok and on on other
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: places where people were happy that she made the decision
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: were not. you know, so obnoxious with her, you know,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: about the fact that she had flip-flopped and we're okay
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: with kind of like accepting her apology. So I thought
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: that that was all fine. Wait, so let's go back
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: to Bethany Franco for one second.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: Sure, yeah.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: How did that feel? First of all, how did you decide,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: were you scared of her at all? Did you think
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: that that was gonna be a bad thing to even
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: have her name in your mouth? And did you expect
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: it to end in a cease and desist?
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: OK, I was scared of her. I remember the very
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: first video that I made about her. I remember being like, listen,
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: you guys, I got it. We got to talk about something.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: We got to talk about Bethany for a minute because
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: she's getting a little out of control. Because when she
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: first came on to TikTok, I really liked her. She
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: was like doing these makeup videos and they were like
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: really funny and cute and like in her closet. And
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: it was like, you know, pretty cute. still pretty much
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: pandemic time of like, you know, more distancing, et cetera.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: And so I was like, oh, this is good. But
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: then I just started to feel like it was getting
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: kind of like forced, like there was a narrative. And
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: then I started to remember, like, you know, she did
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: this whole thing where it was like, I know nothing
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: about makeup. I, you know, I'm just getting into makeup.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: I want to find the best stuff for you guys.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: But I was like, she had a makeup line before. Okay.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: Like she used to make YouTube videos about makeup back
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: in like 2011. You can still get them online. She
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: used to do them on YouTube. It's fine. I don't care,
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: but it's like, you clearly came up with a strategy
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: of like, I'm accidental influencer. Um, and I think it was,
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: you know, like it was, it was planned and that's,
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: that's actually in a way I totally like, not in
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: a way I totally get and respect that, but you
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: got to own it a little bit more, I think. Yeah. And, um,
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: so I started making some videos about her and, um,
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: she blocked me pretty quickly. Like as soon as I
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: started calling out, like, you know, like she would be like,
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: you know, I, I never had a beauty line. And
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: then someone would be like, I saw a creator saying
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: you did. And she'd be like, uh, very briefly. And
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: so it was like, what version do you want to tell? Right.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: So Anyway, was a little nervous to make them, made them.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: And then eventually I got the cease and desist from her,
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: which I have a feeling why I got it when
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: I got it, which was that she was trying to
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: sue TikTok like a year ago. Do you remember this?
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Yes, I do.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: She was trying to sue. I love, I love chatting
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: with you because I don't have to like give you
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: the backstory on stuff. Like I don't have to be.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Like, she was trying to be further her likeness being used. Right. Yeah.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: That was interesting.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: So I think what she was trying to do is
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: she was really trying to become the champion of Tik TOK.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: Cause she was like, I'm going to do this for
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: all the creators out there. And I actually made a
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: video supporting that. I was like, I think it's good
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: that she's calling it out because it's happened to me.
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: Like people would steal my stuff. Like companies that have
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: a lot of money would take my things and be like, Oh,
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: look at this person likes us. It's like, yeah, but
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: like not for free. Like if you're going to use
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: my picture and you get that. So anyway, long story short, she,
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: I think she was trying to clean up her image
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: on there because I wasn't the only one who got one.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember this, but you know,
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: my friend bunny got one too. And like, It was
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: Bunny had been very frank about her interactions with Bethany
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: of like trying to do a talk show or not
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: talk to a reality show with her and how that went.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: So I think she was really trying to make sure
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: she looked good on the app. And, you know, I
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: do think she still has people who love and really
• 40:05
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• 40:06
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• 40:26
  Speaker 3: For her, but I do think that not just what
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: she did to me, but like kind of just how
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: her persona has come across on social media has pushed
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: some people away who were really Team Bethany.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So I wanted to ask you about that then.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: She obviously is championing this reality reckoning movement. And that's
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: obviously part of her personality. I think it seems like
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: she's been looking, she's always looking for, you know, these
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: big movements to be a leader in, which is fine.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's respectable, but in some ways, I think
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: a lot of people are saying that this is backfired.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: She obviously is biting the hand that fed her. And also,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: you know, the way that she's coming at it is
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: so aggressive and kind of collecting all these people that
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: have former grievances and that might not actually be what
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: she's trying to get at. Do you know what I mean?
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Like a lot. And, and I guess it's a question
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: that's up for debate, but you know, are people who
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: signed on to a reality show and are paid to
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: look dramatic, be dramatic, can they say they were abused
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: into doing that kind of thing? Um, you know, I've
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: been on a reality show. I know how they work. Um,
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: not similar to a Bravo housewife show where it does
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: seem like they're all arguing, um, like that. But, um,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: you know, I do know that things can be staged
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: and I've interviewed enough people on this topic who are,
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: have been part of it. Things are definitely stages like, okay,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: we're going to take you to the beach today. We're
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: going to take you here and see what happens. but
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: not like you better drink this and act like a
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: total fool and go have sex in a closet or
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: we're pulling your contract. I mean, by the way, I'm
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: my own person. So that would never fly with me.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: I'd be like, no, I'm not doing that. I had
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: no problem with the way I was represented on celebrity
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: rehab because they, I knew that they couldn't edit me
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: to look a certain way because I was who I was.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: And if, you know, they edited me to be a
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: crazy person. It's because I had to have a little
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: crazy in me. I mean, they're not that good at
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: making you look one way if you're completely the other.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: So I think people have to have some big responsibility
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: in how they act. But then, you know, I think
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: it's a whole nother thing that people want money from
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: reruns happening like that. I get I mean, you know,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: that's a whole separate issue. But what are your thoughts
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: on the reality reckoning situation?
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing. I don't disagree with her that,
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: you know, it's good for people to have protections at
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: work and to and it's really important to be able
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: to feel safe. And I do think like, you know,
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: I thought you came out of of that show really good.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: But I also think that reality TV has changed so much.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: Right. Like.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: I love old reality TV. And when I say old,
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: I mean anything before 2011, 2012.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: I.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: Think was different than what we see now. And this
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: is why I think it is. Because I read this
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: whole article about this. I think it's because people see
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: reality TV now as a launching pad to bigger things.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: So they get on it and then it's like, okay,
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: I wanna have a wine label or I wanna have
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: a jewelry line or I wanna have a clothing collaboration.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: So they have to really develop a persona on the
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: show that's really big that will get them stuff off
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: of the show.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Right, right. And people, I think originally, like I had
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: Eric Nisan who was from the original.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: Cast of The Real World.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: And he was so interesting because they didn't do it
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: to be famous. They were like, this would be so
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: cool to be in a house with a bunch of strangers.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, let's see what happens. I don't
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: even know what will happen, but they weren't like, oh,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: I'm going to get a line out of this or
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: a modeling contract. So it's the intention is so much different,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: but you know, my threshold was watching the Vanderpump rules
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: reunion when I thought it was so abusive. I know
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: people make mistakes. I know that not everybody has everything right.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: And I know it's a reality show, but the way
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: that people were talking to Raquel, Rachel, whatever you want
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: to call her, was so wrong in my opinion. And
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: the fact that the staff stood by, the producers, the
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: fact that Andy stood by, the fact that Lisa stood
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: by as adults and watched what I in essence would
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: call kids, but they're not. They're in their 20s and 30s.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Speak to her. Don't talk, you moron. You're nothing but
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: a loser. All these things, that is abusive. That can
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: affect somebody's mental health. That is crazy to me. And
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: you know, I just thought that was when they should
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: have been like, okay, cut time out. You can't talk
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: like that. You can't stand up over her and point
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: your finger and call her names for something that didn't
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: even occur to you. It wasn't, you know, the other
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: girl that it happened to. I thought it was so wrong.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: And I stopped watching. I thought it was just too
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: much and dangerous.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's funny you say that because I
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: also think it's like, what is Tom being held accountable
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: for compared to Rachel? Like, you know, and I know, like,
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: I think obviously wasn't a great choice, of course, for
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: her to pursue this relationship. But at the same time, Raquel,
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: I really do believe is like on a quote unquote
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: healing journey, like whatever that looks like for her. And
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: I like hope that she is doing okay. And I think,
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: you know, she has really stepped away. Yes, she did
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: the interview with Bethany, but she really has stepped away.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: And meanwhile, Tom like continues to be on tour. Tom
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: is still on the show, right? Like he's still profiting
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: off of it. I don't think she's probably profiting off
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: of it very much right now. And I think that
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: this is where I think the issue was. Bethany had
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: Rachel on, Raquel on. And I think it was more
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: about serving Bethany than letting Rachel get her story out.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: I actually think Rachel handled herself as best as she could,
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: but it's really that Bethany has this ax to grind
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: with Bravo and the way that she was perceived and
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: this like reckoning that she's on. And I don't even
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: fully disagree with her, with some of the things that
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: she's saying, but also at the same time, like, for me,
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: it was a little hard to watch when she's like,
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: a woman's voice is a powerful thing. And I want
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: Raquel to have her truth. And I want to, and
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: it's like, but you tried to silence me. Yeah.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: So it's like, it's really like, to me, I'm like,
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: you're kind of a hypocrite. Like you sent me a
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: cease and desist that said, if I told anyone that
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: you sent it to me, I'd be breaking my confidentiality
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: with you. And you could sue me for more money.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: I don't have confidentiality with you, Bethany. Like I never have.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: I never will. So I do think that she plays
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: kind of dirty. And I think that she, I think
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: she took advantage of Raquel.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: No, I, I agree. I thought it was, you know,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: a very interesting move. I mean, listen, I get it,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: but it was self-serving because this reality reckoning thing was happening.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: And that is the one girl that can talk about
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: on the subject and be like, you know, who everybody
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: was wondering if she was going to sign up for
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: that whole experience. So, I mean, I get it. I
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: see why it happened, but. You know, I appreciated hearing
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Raquel's story. So many people still were just, they had
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: picked their side and didn't want to hear anything else,
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: but you know, don't get me started on the whole
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: thing about, you know, the, the, The secondary factor of
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: what happens to women in situations and they are the
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: ones that get blamed and the men don't hear anything
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: and they get to profit on it. And everyone loves
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: a comeback with a man, but a woman is forever
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: scorned wearing a scarlet letter. So it was sad to
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: me to hear her say like she didn't have any work.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: She couldn't get any work. She didn't know where she
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: was going to go. My scandal happened 14 years ago.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: And I still was having a hard time finding work.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: So I started a podcast, um, you know, and it's
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: monetized by advertisers. Thank God based on what the, um,
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: you know, what the topic is, as opposed to me
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: trying to get a job, I literally couldn't, people thought
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: I was, you know, untouchable because they thought it was
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: too much scandal involved, even though that happened 14 years ago.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: And you are like, you have a degree, like, you
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: know what I mean? Like you, you have like real
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: experience and, um, It really sucks because I am with you.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: I think that doesn't happen to men in the same way.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: No, it takes your credibility away. For men, it's like
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: a pat on the back kind of like, hey, it
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: just happened and you move on and You know, so anyway,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: all right. So I want to go back to one
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: thing because you were talking about this stuff with the
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: subscription boxes and these companies, not just these people you're
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: doing deep dives on. You've talked a lot about ending
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: the wealth gap and private equity and data and how
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: these private equity companies, and correct me if I'm wrong,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: because it is a little bit of a topic that most,
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: it kind of goes over some people's heads, but basically
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: saying that the data becomes more valuable than the company itself, right?
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: And that's what they're really buying, like our email address.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: or the fact that we're on, where are the data
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: connected to these celebrity companies? So talk about that, like
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: break it down just a little bit for people that
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: don't know what I'm talking about.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: So private equity is when a firm comes in essentially
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: and buys like a big chunk of a company. Um,
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: sometimes like the whole thing, sometimes like a percentage of it,
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: and it's no longer a publicly traded company. And I
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: think maybe the best thing to do is to give
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: an example of one that's you're in New York, one
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: that's happening in New York right now that I'm like
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: seeing in real time. Century 21. And I don't mean
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: the real estate place. I mean the clothing store, right?
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: I'm sure like when I would visit New York back
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: in the day, it was like one of the places
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: that I loved to go, right? People don't know what
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: it is. Rachel, can you tell them what it is?
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: Like it's a- So it's like a fashion for less,
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: I guess is what you would call it. And you
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: can find all sorts of things. Like my favorite jean
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: brands were there, for example. That's why I went, but
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: everything was like a fraction of the price, but they
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: really had good stuff there. So it, to me, it
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: was elevated from like, you know, a TJ Maxx or
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: anything like that. But it was definitely, you know, you
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: could be rich and go shop at Century 21. It
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: wasn't like you had to be some poor person off
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: the street and you were bummed about going in there.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: It was like a good place to shop.
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: Right. It's like a, it's like a, you get designer stuff, right?
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: And so anyway, it closed, it was a family owned company.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: It closed down, it closed, the last stores closed like probably,
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: I don't know, like five or six years ago. So
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: the big thing in New York City this spring was,
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: oh my God, Century 21 is back. And people were
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: so excited, right? And there was a big opening and
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: the mayor was there. And so I was like, huh,
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: this is interesting because you don't see big box stores
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: opening that much anymore, right? We just saw Bed Bath
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: & Beyond close, right? There's no more Toys R Us.
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: All these places are closing. So why is this opening?
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: So I was like, I got to look into this shit. Well,
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: sure enough, it was opened because it is now owned
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: by Legends. Legends is the hospitality entertainment group that owns
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: the concessions at Yankee Stadium. They own the, if you
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: go to the top of the Empire State Building, they
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: own the Central Park Boathouse that's reopening. They are a conglomerate.
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, shit, this is why they're reopening because
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: they're reopening under this bigger thing. And one of the
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: big things that they did at the opening weekend was
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: like giveaways and, you know, sign up for our email
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: list because we're going to open in other locations and
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: all this kind of stuff. And I'm like, yeah, because
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: what they're going to do is you're going to start, like,
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: I guarantee you, if you gave your email that weekend,
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: you've probably already gotten an email being like, Come to
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: a Yankee game.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: Right, right. Oh, so it's double dipping.
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: Oh, I see what you're saying.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, so they're promoting all their businesses with the data
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: they got from there. Okay, yeah, it makes so much sense.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: Kind of brilliant. But then don't you think that it
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: saturates or dwindles down like how good something can be?
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, how does that even work that they can
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: spend all this money in different places and then make
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: sure that the quality is what it used to be
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: or ever was?
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: That's a great question. And that's the big thing with
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: private equity is they always want to do more with less. Okay.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: So for example, we're seeing this a lot with like,
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: like Dunkin' Donuts is owned by private equity now. So
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: if you go to Dunkin' Donuts now and you're like,
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: why is there all these mobile, like you have to like,
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: literally my Dunkin' Donuts now is like you order at
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: a kiosk in the store. And like, I hate that.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: It's such a pain in the ass, right? Because it's like,
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: and it's not the.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: Itching, burning, soreness. When you know it's thrush, you want
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: it gone. People's fault who are working there, but it
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: always gets messed up. And anyway.
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: The reason you have that now, the reason you have
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: that is because that means like less employees and they
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: can be like getting more orders. And so they're making
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: more money. And they're also like, are always trying to
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: get you to do like the Duncan app, right? Like
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: that's also data grab. So with Century 21, I haven't seen,
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: I haven't checked in like a month, but they had said, oh,
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: we're going to have a bunch of more stores opening.
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: I haven't seen anything about any new stores. And I've
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: been looking at the comments and people are like, your
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: selection sucks.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: Because what they do is I bet that first weekend,
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: it was incredible. I bet it was amazing. I bet
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: they were really fully staffed. And now I bet they
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: have cuts. I would imagine they've cut staff. I would
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: imagine that they are not bringing in the inventory that
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: they used to bring in. And that's exactly what happens
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: with these places. Like, it's just like when you start,
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: it's like a relationship where in the beginning, you're like, oh,
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: this is so shiny and new and great. And you're so,
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: and then you're like, oh, like now I'm getting to
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: know you a little bit better. And like the cracks are,
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: And that's what happens with this.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: But you know what's interesting? So somebody pitched me an idea.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: They wanted to talk about the fact that their med
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: spas are changing and private equity is getting involved. And
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: so now it's reminding me because I didn't even know
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: what the hell they were talking about. And they were
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: saying that it's going to be bigger. It's going to
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: be franchised all over the place. It's an alternative to
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: plastic surgery. You can go in and do all this
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: med spa stuff. And they take a bunch of people
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: and you have to be a member and all this stuff.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: I like going to my personal person that knows my
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: face or, you know, and in a position like that,
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: it's like, you're just one of many. And the customer service,
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, kind of dwindles down where it just
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: becomes like a bigger, better, but it's really not. It's like,
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: you don't have that personal touch. Who knows what you'll
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: be getting. And I just think that when you're, when
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: a company is like expanding like that, unless they have
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: like individuals working there that really care about you as
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: a customer, I think it really, dims the shine kind of,
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: by the way, what you were talking about before, you know,
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: when you go to a airport, it's such a pain
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: in the neck to sit down and get a glass
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: of wine to sit there and do that stupid thing
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: where you have to plug in everything. And then you
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: have to get the app to pay. And I look
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: at the waiter who's standing there and I'm like, can
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: I just place the order with you? And they're like, no,
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: you have to go online. You got to get the app.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: You got to put your credit card in. It's so
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: frustrating that they want to take away people's jobs, which
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: just seems like it would be better for people too.
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: Totally across the board. Right. And like, I think it's like,
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: that's where we have like the interpersonal connection. And a
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: lot of times what ends up happening too with these
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: private equity firms is like they reduce like the benefits
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: that employees get. Like I've talked to people who have
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: worked at places and they're like, oh, it changed to
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: private equity. And then it was terrible. Like, you know,
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: my benefits were terrible. Right. But with the med spas
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: like LaserAway, you know, like they're a chain, they're private equity.
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: And so a lot of people have told me like, okay,
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: I got a membership at LaserAway because they say that's
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: the most economical, right? So now they're charging me monthly.
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: They're like, I can't get an appointment to save my life.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: Right, it's just too many people there. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah,
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: I totally hear that. Okay, so let's talk about things
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: that are in the news, if you don't mind for
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: a second. Obviously, we've been dealing with a lot of
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: celebrity apologies. I know you've kind of, covered a lot
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: of those. I want to ask you, what do you
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: think would make a good apology? What advice would you
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: be giving these guys on how to make an apology?
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: Okay. So here's an example of one where I think
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: they went really wrong. And I think what they did
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: was not good. What Ashton and Mila did with that
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: letter was not good. They should not have done that.
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: They should not have done a video apology. They should
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: have put out an Instagram statement on their page that
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: just said, that was more sort of like, I think
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: they're starting to get it, but like now they're sort
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: of saying we've reflected, we've listened. They should have maybe
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: waited a day or two and then put something out
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: that was like, we did this. We, we made a mistake.
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: We are sorry. And here are the ways that we're
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: moving forward. For example, obviously Ashton ended up stepping down
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: from the nonprofit. They should have waited. And then that
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: could have been part of the apology.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: Right. I think celebrities need to know that the like,
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: no makeup, cheerful apology. Now it doesn't work. Like we
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: just don't buy it. I'm sorry.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: Do you buy it?
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: No, I don't. Well, I've sort of stopped watching that stuff.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, I was kind of obsessed with, I was
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: shocked when Danny Masterson got 30 years. I was really
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: shocked by that because if you lock me in my
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: bedroom for two days, I start to freak out. So
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: just the thought of 30 years was already there. That's
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: what I was thinking about. And I wanted to know
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: what that first day was like. I wanted to know
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: what was going on in his wife's head. That was
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: what I was focused on. And then when I started
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: to hear about this letter that they had written, And
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: some other celebrities were coming out talking about how great
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: he was. I was like, oh, this is not going
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: to go well.
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: It's not going to land well. Yeah, you should just keep.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: Your mouth shut. Yeah. That whole Scientology thing to me
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: is very interesting that they all kind of stand together. I,
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: you know, I find it bizarre, but, you know, to
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: each their own. Um, so the whole thing, I just
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: think that a lot of people should stay out of
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: things and not get so involved is just my, opinion
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: because it tends to backfire. Right. You know, I haven't
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: really seen someone get involved in something unless it's like
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: trying to set the, you know, West Memphis three free.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: You know, those are things that maybe get involved in. But,
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know other stuff when it has
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: to do with sexual harassment or rape. I don't know.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: Maybe don't get so involved is my opinion.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: And I actually like a lot of people say, oh,
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: I think that like Scientology has something on Ashton and Mila.
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: I actually don't. I actually don't think that like I
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: don't think that's why they did it. I think they
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: did it because they I think that I do think
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: that they were asked to do it by the family.
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: And I don't think they thought the letters would go out.
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: So I would get out. So I think that's why
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: they did it. And then they got into damage control.
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: And I don't think people are not. either it's one
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: of two things is happening right here is people are
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: not hiring PR firms that are savvy enough for the
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: media right now, because I think that a lot of
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: PR firms are, it's not that there are people there
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: who are working there that don't get it. But I
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: think the people at the very top who are usually,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: and you probably know this, like, like the people who
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: are at the very top are the ones who work
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: with the very high level celebrities, right? Like if you're
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: a PR firm, a big PR firm, your CEO is
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: going to be the one who works with Ashton and Mila, right?
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: Sometimes I think like the junior person should be the
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: one doing it because their finger is on the pulse.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: I totally agree. I totally agree. I mean, you get
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: a lot of people who are just really clueless about
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: how to handle situations because they don't understand the situation
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: or pop culture and what an effect. that entertainment news
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: has on the court of public opinion. I mean, I
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: really think that they're missing the boat on that sometimes.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: I find it odd when somebody steers someone in a
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: crisis management that's like, why would they have ever said
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: that or done that? Yeah, it seems odd to me
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: for sure. But with other scenarios like the Russell Brand one, What,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: how do you think, do you think that was all
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: Russell or you think somebody was guiding him?
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: Oh, I think someone has been guiding him for quite
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: a while. I think, yeah, I think.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: Do you think they are doing a good job?
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: For him, for what he wants to accomplish? Yes, I do.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: I don't agree with it at all. But when that
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: video came out on Friday night of him being like, hey,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: something's going to come out about me. And it's the
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: mainstream media trying to push me down. And, you know,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: we have to I have to be able to use
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: my voice. And this is about all of us having freedoms, etc.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: He effectively dog whistled to enough people with that. And
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: I don't even know if it was dog whistling. I
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: think it was like full on whistling to some degree.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: he engaged enough people by being like, oh, this is
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: about my voice and your voice and me being silenced.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: I really don't think anyone's trying to silence Russell Brand.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: Like I don't, like I just don't. And so I think, unfortunately,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: I don't like what he did in getting ahead of it,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: but I think that it worked. It did work for
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: him because people are like, even last night, you know,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: because I am of the, I'm like a team believe women.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: And that's just like where I fall. And so I
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: want to watch the documentary. I want to see, but like,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: you know, people are writing in and saying the like
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: things to me that are just so rooted in victim
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: blaming and victim shaming. And I'm like, I'm just not
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: personally going to engage with that. But like somebody, a
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: lot of people are like, this is because Russell Brand
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: is getting too close to the truth. And so someone
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: last night writes in and is like, Meredith Lynch actually
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: works for the, me works for the world economic forum.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: I'm like, No, I don't. Oh, sorry. Do we swear
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: on here?
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fine.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: I'm like, do you think I made like, that sounds
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: like a way better pay grade. Like, so I'm like,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: so basically what they were saying is like, she's connected
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: to this. Like, that's why she put out a video.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: I'm like, no, we're not doing this. Like that is
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: creepy conspiracy stuff. And like, that's not true. And that
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: could actually end up really hurting me professionally. That could
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: end up hurting the other Meredith Lynch who has this
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: job professionally because So, but here's the thing. That's exactly
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: what Russell wanted. Like, I don't think it was about
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: me specifically, but he wanted people to like question everything. Right.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: It's like, he's throwing something over here. People look over here.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: So maybe they're not looking over here, you know, and
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: to get back to what we were just talking about before,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: there are so many people that already have taken sides,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: you know, without facts, without knowing. And then there's people
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: standing up for him, you know, just like, you know,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: Ashton and Mila were standing up for Danny. I want
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: to say one thing about that. So you may know
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: someone who is a great guy to you and they
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: may be wonderful, treat women and men well, but in
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: their past, it doesn't mean that they haven't been bad
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: or done bad things, made bad decisions. So all those
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: things that people wanna say or letters people wanna write
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: on behalf of someone, I understand it. I do get
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: why if you're so close to someone and you've never
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: seen those behaviors, you wanna say like, wait a minute,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know this person to be that. They're a
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: great father. They're a great whatever. That doesn't mean they
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: didn't sexually harass them 20 years ago or recently. I mean,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: it just is not your experience with them. So I
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: think people really have to be open-minded to what all
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: the facts are. And again, this is why I have
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: my show. So many people are misunderstood. The media will
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: guide you one way. The public's... appetite for that story
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: and that, you know, the frenzy about it will create
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: even more for the media to get into. And so
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: I do think it's important for people to have their
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: own narrative and be able to say something doesn't mean
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: that it's true what they're saying. But, you know, it
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: is important to really get the facts before you take
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: a side. Like, I think that is so important. And
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: that's why I like how you do the deep dives,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: because you're bringing facts to people that they might not know. Yes.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: And I really, that's why like when people say, like,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: as we talked about earlier, when people are like, oh,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: like do a deep dive on this. I'm like, sometimes
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: I'll look into it and I'm like, there's just not
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: enough there. Like, I can't bring you guys something that
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: I don't feel like I have enough stuff with. And
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: like I said, when I reported on the Russell Brand stuff,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: I said allegations. I must've said it 30 times. These
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: are allegations. Okay. I have talked to people privately over
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: the last couple of days who've been like, yeah, it's true. Hmm.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: And obviously I don't, again, that's what someone is telling me.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: But then I'm getting comments that are like, well, I
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: know someone who had sex with him and they said
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: it was consensual. And they said it actually took him
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: forever to take his jeans off because they were so skinny.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, I get what you're doing here. I'm
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: sure he had consensual sex with someone. And just because
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: it takes someone a while to take their jeans off
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: doesn't mean that they aren't capable of sexually assaulting someone.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: Right, right, for sure. All right. So that'll be interesting
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: to see how that plays out.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: So you've talked a little bit about fashion on your TikTok.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: I know you really like Jenna Lyons and her and
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: her fashion, even though sometimes it could be a little expensive.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: I actually want to ask your thoughts on Kanye and
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: his wife and what the hell's going on there and
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: what's their end goal with that. Do you follow that
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: at all?
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: And like I was just texting with some people about
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: that and I said, this is my prediction. There is
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: going to be a pregnancy announcement within the next two months.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: Interesting. Okay.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: I don't know if she's pregnant already, but I think,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: I think that's going to be what happens. I, you know,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: I am of the mind that Kanye is, is not well. Um,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: and I do think that this is a pattern that
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: he has with women where he wants to control how
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: they look, how they dress. We saw it with Amber Rose.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: We saw it with Kim to some degree. Um, and listen,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: I give the Kardashians a lot of shit. but it
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: doesn't like, I don't hate them. Um, I don't think
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: that they're like inherently bad people. I've heard the nicest
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: things about so many of them about like how they
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: are with, with like, in terms of how professional they are,
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: respectful they are. And I actually have a lot of
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: empathy for what I think Kim has gone through with Kanye. Um,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: And I can't imagine how it must feel right now
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: for her to have to like explain to her kids
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: what's happening with their dad.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: Like it's, it's really concerning. And I hope that what, like,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: here's the other piece of it. Like, I'm like, okay, well,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: I hope that woman's okay. The woman, Bianca, I hope
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: she's okay. But like, also too, I'm like, I guess
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: like bodily autonomy, if she wants to do that and
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: that's what she wants to do, I guess that's fine.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It, it is bizarre to me. I don't get it,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: but I feel like there is an end goal there.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they're starting a clothing line, you know,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: with Hanes or a bra company. I'm not really sure.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: I think it's so weird, but.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: So they're, you know, they're just very interesting. All right.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: I want to know something. You have been showing pictures
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: recently of your lunches with Kathy Griffin. I want to
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: know how that came about and why all of a
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: sudden you're also hanging out with people like Rosie O'Donnell.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: I'm obsessed.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: How can I get invited?
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: What's going on? What a time to be alive. We
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: got to get you out here on the West Coast
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: for a week. But you would thrive at one of
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: these lunches. So Kathy and I met on TikTok. She
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: reached out to me on TikTok. I have been a
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: fan of hers since I mean, I was a fan
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: of hers in like the 90s when she would do
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: commentary on MTV about the real world. She's always I've
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: always thought she was funny. And I loved it. I
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: don't know if you watched My Life on the D-List
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: on Bravo, but that was it was such a good
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: reality show. So authentic. So funny. She's so smart. So anyway,
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: she reached out to me on Tik TOK and invited
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: me over for lunch. We live not far from one
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: another in LA. And, uh, she invited me over for
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: lunch and wait, timeout, timeout.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: Has she seen a specific Tik TOK that made her say,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: I'm going to like this girl.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: Okay. Do you know what's really funny? I think the
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: first one that she saw that she liked of me
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: was that I was like, Hey, like, I think something
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: that we lose as we, um, as more and more
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: Nepo babies become like the ones who are the big
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: people is that like, we lose a little bit of
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: like the scrappiness and people. And I was like, for example,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: I always found Kathy Griffin to be really scrappy. And yeah,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: you know, she had to really work, right? Like she,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: and she wrote back and she was like, yeah, I
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: used to like, my parents, I used to roll quarters, like,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: you know, on my kitchen table when I was like
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: trying to become an actor. And so that's how we
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: ended up first talking. And then, yeah, she invited me
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: over for lunch and, Um, you know, I really, you know,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: she's a great, great person to hang out with a
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: really interesting person. And, um, she said to me at
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: the end, she's like, yeah, like, I just, I like
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: meeting cool chicks who like are smart and interesting. And
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: I'm at the point where she's like, I just, you know, say, Hey,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: you want to hang out? And so, um, from that,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: you know, she has very, you know, we've had other
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: time hanging out together, but then also she has these
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: salon lunches that she hosts and salon dinners and I
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: say this because I think that it's a really cool concept.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: And so what she's trying to do from them is
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: bring back the art of conversation. So salon dinners, for
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: anyone who doesn't know, are these parties that I think
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: they date back, I don't know, 100 years or something
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: like that. But I can't remember who used to really
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: do them. There was some, I don't know if it
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: was a president. But basically, the idea is you get
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: together a really interesting group of people. who might have
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: like some shared, you know, thoughts or whatever, but different
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: walks of life. And you bring them together for a meal,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: no phones allowed. And oftentimes in one conversation at a time.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: So we all talk as a group the entire time.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: Sometimes we get in trouble because we end up having
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: side conversations, but no side conversations often. And at the meal,
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: there is a topic. And so you go around and
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: you like voice your opinion on the topic. So for example,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: it might, you know, it might be like something that's
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: happening in the news and you all, and you get
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: these really incredible perspectives on it from really interesting, smart,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: different women.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: Do you get the topic before you go to the meal?
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: No, you don't.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: You cannot study.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: Exactly. And, but if you don't know about the topic,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: like we'll give you like a little, a little like
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: once over, you know, like, or, you know, someone might
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: say like, okay, I really can't, can't say, cause I
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: don't know enough about that, but let me tell you
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: what I thought of this thing that was really similar.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: And so I don't know about you, but like, I
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: feel like you're the same way. It's like, I just
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: want to hear like fucking smart women talk like. Right.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: Well, it's like, it's like your own private, the view,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: you know, with cameras around where everybody can have their
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: different view and each person's experience in life makes them
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: so individual and different. So their view on it will
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: probably be different. And to hear other people's views sometimes
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: is really eyeopening because it can change your mind or
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: it can just bring you to a new thought process.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: I think that's really important. I love that idea. Yeah.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: You should be hosting them. I think you could start
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: the East coast version.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: Yes. Maybe I should do that. You and I can
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: do that together. Totally.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: I'll come in for it.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: So my, one of my last questions to you, I'm
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: going to say, I want to know if there's something
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: that is raising any red flags for you that you
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: are going to do a deep dive on or something
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: that you're just like, I love saying this. What's the
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: deal with, like for me, I'll give you an example.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: But like, I remember a guy stood me up once.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: It was a blind date. I hadn't met him during
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: the day. It was a lunch date. And his excuse
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: was they were installing a Nielsen box on his television.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: And I still to this day, I'm like, what's the
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: deal with Nielsen boxes? Have you ever known anyone that's
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: had a Nielsen box? I actually don't think they exist.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: And.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: With streaming now, like they're kind of becoming obsolete. So like,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: what's the deal with Nielsen? That's something I would want
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: to know about. And I want you.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: To dive on it. It's so fucking funny. You say
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: that because you're not going to believe this.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: Like, don't tell me you have one.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: No, I don't have one. But a month ago I
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: got a survey in the mail from them and they
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: asked me to send it back and they sent me
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: like $ 10 with it. $ 10 fucking cash. And they said,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: if you do this survey, we'll send you $ 20 cash back.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: And I actually haven't said there. Cause I was like, Hey,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: who doesn't like a 20? I'll do a one page survey,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: but I'm with you in that growing up. I knew
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: that it was a thing like these are the Nielsen,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: but I didn't know anybody who had the box at home.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: And like, listen, I was always sizing up everybody else's house.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: Like I was like the kid. It was like, all right,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: here's the deal. Your house is nicer than my house.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: Like what the hell? So I was, I would have
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: known if someone had a box, but like.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: So if anyone's listening to this and you've ever seen
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: or heard of someone, you know, having a Nielsen box,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: I want to know. Because I think they don't exist.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: I think it's a bunch of bullshit.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: What if it's the guy? What if it's the guy
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: who hears it and then he's like, I still have it.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: That's so funny. All right. So is there anything with
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: you that you're like, I'm going to, this is raising
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: a red flag.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm going to tell you this, and I can't
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: even believe I'm going to tell you this, but I think,
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: you know what, why not, right? It's, as Kathy would say,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: it's a day of honesty. You know what's a little
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: suspect to me, and I'm going to like, I'm going to,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: I've been digging just lightly, but I just haven't had time,
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: is Russell Brand's Stay Free Foundation.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: I don't even know what that is. What is it?
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: He has a stay free foundation that is a nonprofit
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: and maybe it's the most wonderful, great, incredible thing in
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: the world. But I, and this is just me just
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: starting to skim the surface, you guys. So don't freak out.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: But I was like, I want to see the financials.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: So it's a UK charity. So that's different. Cause I know,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: I know how the U S works. So I was
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: able to last night, try to pull up some of
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: their financials from the UK government. Cause you can go
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: on almost like similar to how we can look at
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: the IRS tax returns. They're so new, which means that
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: they were founded in the last 10 months that they
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: don't have to have financials in yet. that's already a
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: red flag to me. So I'm like, you know, maybe
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: it is just brand new, but I am just, you know,
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: this is why you guys all need to listen to
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: this podcast. You need to get to the end because
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: this is the next deep dive that is most likely coming.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: And if it doesn't, well, then I guess it's totally legit.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: Right, exactly. All right. Well, that's good information. So you guys,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: if you're listening and you want to, DM Meredith and
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: let her know what your thoughts are on that. You should,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: because maybe that'll help her in her investigation, so to speak.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: Where can we see you next? What's up and coming
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: for you?
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so you can find me on TikTok and Instagram,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: Meredith M. Lynch. And if you're in the LA area,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: I am performing at The Crow in Santa Monica. It's
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: a woman-owned comedy club on October 6th. And I would
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: love to see you there.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: Oh my God. Wow. Wait, have you done this before?
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  Speaker 3: I've done a live show, but I haven't done what
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to tell a story about my mom dying.
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  Speaker 3: A funny story.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my God. Really?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: This is like a standup. This is different than having
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  Speaker 1: like one of your live Tik TOK.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Are you nervous?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, but I think it'll be good. Like, I feel like,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know about you, but like, I want to
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  Speaker 3: like de-stigmatize some of the experience of grief. And so
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to tell a story about the last time
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  Speaker 3: I saw my mom, because I think we all think
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  Speaker 3: we're going to like, I think people think like the
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  Speaker 3: last time you see someone alive is like this, like incredible, like,
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  Speaker 3: oh my God. And this is, but like, I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to tell a funny story about how it really goes,
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  Speaker 3: can go down.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. I love that. Well, I wish you
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  Speaker 1: the best. I think that's amazing. Tell people what your
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  Speaker 1: socials are so that they can find you if they're
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  Speaker 1: not familiar with them.
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  Speaker 3: Meredith m lynch and mostly i'm on tiktok and instagram
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  Speaker 3: so find me there and yeah if you want to
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  Speaker 3: dm me some if you got tea feel free to
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  Speaker 3: dm me tea or you just want to say hi
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  Speaker 3: that too and.
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  Speaker 1: Do you read your dms for the most i do.
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  Speaker 3: I do unless they're like i hope you die right
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  Speaker 3: which like i know we can cancel yeah and like
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  Speaker 3: if you're 13 and you want to tell me that
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  Speaker 3: you hope i get murdered because i make a joke
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  Speaker 3: about taylor swift Oh, well, I can go to your homework,
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  Speaker 3: go to your homework.
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  Speaker 1: It's very interesting because the level of Swifty fandom, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: my daughter, you know, knows every word. And if I
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  Speaker 1: say one thing about Taylor, she would murder me.
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  Speaker 3: So I like Taylor too. It's not like we like Taylor.
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  Speaker 1: We like Taylor. We like Taylor. God, enough, everybody. All right. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I am so happy that I got to spend this
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  Speaker 1: time with you. I so appreciate you and all your thoughts.
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  Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear more from you. I hope
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  Speaker 1: you'll come on again. You and I, maybe off the record,
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  Speaker 1: we'll do a deep dive on a couple of things
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  Speaker 1: and see if we can get to the bottom of
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  Speaker 1: them and break some stories. But I love that you
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  Speaker 1: are a modern day Nancy Grace, so to speak. And
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  Speaker 1: so am I. So that's why I think we like
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  Speaker 1: each other. And I really appreciate you. So it was
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  Speaker 1: nice to meet you.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Rachel. Thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 3: You're so welcome.
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  Speaker 1: for the day, but they don't know about the drawer.
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  Speaker 1: The drawer. Just the one square before bed.
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  Speaker 2: Or two, you know. Nobody's watching. You deserve a treat.
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