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Bowtech Vs. Truth Archery · The Bow Disciples Podcast

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New podcast. Stop scrolling BBP that I I need
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We got a big one today, just me and Brianna on, but I will say
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we've done a lot of podcasts lately.
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We got some super cool ones coming out after this.
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All of the next three will all have guests and I'm excited for
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really different and exciting for people to hear.
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There's going to be twice a week uploads returning for probably
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the next six weeks at least, so that's exciting.
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I've been absolutely hammering out the contents in this little
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stint at home, so that's been fun.
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Done a couple of 3D shoots, did Balboa, did Alpine.
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Exciting stuff, exciting stuff. So this Sunday got a video.
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I'm very excited to come out testing this ACCU Archery SOS
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that we already filmed with the Mantis.
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I'm very excited for that to come out.
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I think it's really informative, really good.
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And the day this comes out, really cool shoot off on the
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main channel against my buddy Taylor playing our golf game.
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So a lot of good stuff coming out.
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Boatdisciples.com Get the games right now it's the end of summer
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right before hunting season they make.
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A good game to take to camp. Oh for sure for.
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Hunting like because so many people just throw a block out
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and once hunting season starts, you know, sometimes the practice
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ends and you know, you're so focused on taking your nap in
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the middle of the day and eating your lunch and whatnot.
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And you know, there's so much time in the middle of the day,
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usually between morning and afternoon sits or stalks or
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whatever you do that it's so easy to just take 30 minutes and
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get down and still shoot. Keep yourself fresh, like keep
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your arm working. Really.
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You don't want to forget what that draw cycle feels like,
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especially when you're full of, you know, anxiety and pressure.
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You just throw the game on the target and it's it's relaxing
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almost, you know, you're not like, oh, I got to make this
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shot perfect. So like this is what it would be
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like on the deer or the elk or whatever.
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Like just take your mind off of the hunt and play a game.
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I think that the baseball and golf games in particular are
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perfect for hunting camp, especially if you're with a
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buddy, because the golf game in particular and baseball, me and
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Chuck just played a bunch in the backyard.
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And, and Taylor and you even at 20 yards, you have to be so
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focused because those spots are they're like the size of, you
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know, like slightly bigger than an X ring or A10 ring.
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So they're very small. And it makes you aim
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intentionally rather than just like putting it in the center of
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a dot this big and shooting. You're aiming like here and you
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want to hit the center of there. Yeah.
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So yeah, I I love the the games and I I agree with you, I think
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for. Good word.
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Intentional. Yeah.
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Like you're still intentionally shooting and aiming.
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You're not just like that's a that's good hunting shot.
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Yeah, because you. Want to score, you know you're
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you want to beat your course record on golf or or what have
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you. And that's the cool part about
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the the games too, other than baseball.
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Baseball is a bit of A1 use game because you're hammering home
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plate so many times, but the pong.
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And sticker. The pong and the golf game
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definitely multi multi use. You can use the same golf sheet
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a bunch of times. So yeah, pick them up before
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hunting season. That's a good tip right there.
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And but today we're going to talk a little bit, not too in
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depth. I don't want to spend the whole
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episode on it, but there was a recent post put out by a company
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called Truth Archery, a new a new archery company.
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And they said they received a cease and desist from Botech for
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Botech, you know, essentially telling them, hey, stop using
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this technology to move your Cam back and forth because they
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believe it's proprietary to their patent.
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We have seen this once before with a company called Athens and
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you know, they ended up shutting down.
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So Athens is no longer a company.
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Now here's where I'm a bit, I just don't understand people
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right? Because Botech had Matthews hit
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him for a lawsuit I think maybe in 20-20 ish.
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Started I've I've been down the rabbit hole this morning.
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Started in 2017. They received the lawsuit.
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It was resolved in a confidential resolution in 2020.
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OK, so that happened and you go read the comments, the public
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sentiment and everybody is praising Matthews for defending
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their patent. It's all over the.
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Now here's what I don't understand is Botech only gets
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negative comments for protecting their patent.
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Now as an entrepreneur, in my opinion, if you're going to drop
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all the money and the time and energy on a patent, why wouldn't
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you protect it? That seems so stupid to me.
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Now people will say, Oh well, they should license out their
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patent like Darton does. OK, well that's great.
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But does Matthews lease out their bridge lock patent?
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I don't hear anyone say oh, they should, you know, So I just
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don't understand why it's rules for thee and not for me.
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Like, why is Bo Tech the bad guy no matter what?
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Because you look at that Cam system, but it's the same as
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deadlock. Let's just be realistic.
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It's the same thing, very, very close.
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It's not different enough to be like, oh, it's not the same
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system. And I know I sound like a
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Bowtech defender here, but I would say the same thing
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regardless. I think Matthews was just fine
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to defend their patent. I'm not a Matthews guy, but I
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think they were within their right to do that.
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And I definitely think Bowtech is within their right to do the
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same thing. So I think it's in an uproar
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because if you do the research, this is not the first time that
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this system has rolled out. It didn't just roll out on the
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truth. So it's called K set.
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It stands for this dude's name. Kevin says something, something
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technology, easy technology or something.
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But it's called K set. And this dude is not only
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involved in the truth now Truth Beau, but he is involved with
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Martin and obsession. So case that rolled out on
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Martin and obsession first a few years ago.
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So it's been around for a couple years now.
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So I think the uproar has a little bit to do with why Bo
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tech did you wait so long? You know, why all of a sudden on
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this Bo, are you just threatened by this company?
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Like this could actually take your market share.
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But somebody left a very good comment in these cesspools of
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keyboard warriors, AKA the forums.
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Forums I. Don't like forums?
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Oh God, just reading through them is what, when you were
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talking about the, the people who like, why did everybody
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praise Matthews for this? It's right now same thing.
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Like there's like maybe 2 comments in one of these major
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forums on like, why are you hating on Bowtech to protect
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something that they invested their time, money, and
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technology in creating? You know, and I think, I think
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everybody inside doesn't want to admit Bowtech created something
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that is and, and Josh said it in that video I watched early this
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morning. When he reviews the truth, he
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wishes that they would license it out the deadlock technology
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because it's it's the preferred method to tight tuning your your
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your system. I think, I don't even think it's
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debatable that I know other companies have come out with
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their own systems to kind of accomplish the same thing.
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But it's not as good. No, the deadlock is known as the
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best. Now what I would be curious to
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know. OK, I didn't know this about the
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K set right? So it's kind of a fun dynamic.
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I've never claimed to be like the techie, super knowledgeable
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guy. I know how all these systems
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work. But I didn't know about case.
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I'm I'm not, I'm not tracking what Martin and Obsession are
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doing to be honest with you. My question would be what is the
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difference between what Athens used and what Martin Obsession
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and truth are using? Because that would really be the
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question. It's a good question.
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So take this for not for gospel because like.
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It's from a forum. It's from a with keyboard
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warriors, but this is supposedly a quote that doesn't really make
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much sense because you know, keyboard warriors, they're they
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type so much on the keyboard, but yet somehow they can't type
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correctly. I I don't know.
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This is supposedly from the owner of one of the owners of
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Truth and if you dive down the rabbit hole enough, IE all you
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got to do is watch one YouTube video from our friend Scotty and
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he tells you who the true owner of Truth is.
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It's not this Kevin dude, he's just involved in the development
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of the bows, which is why the bow looks so similar to the
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Martin and Obsession. His name is something Quacka.
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They call him the pig man. Apparently he was really big,
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Big man. 'S big YouTube guy, yeah.
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For shooting like automatic rifles at pigs from helicopters
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or something. You wanted to do that, and maybe
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you still. Will I know?
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Maybe. Pig Man will reach out.
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You can go do. I would rather do it from a bow,
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like with a harness on, like leaning out of the helicopter.
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Wouldn't that be? Crazy.
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You know how much our arrow would get pushed by the
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downforce of the? Yeah, that's why probably people
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can't or Chris B. Did do it with a bow years ago.
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Yeah, I mean, maybe if you aim down enough, you know like
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straight down. But anyway, side we'll.
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Try to not get cancelled. So be careful.
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Whatever you say here, man. Oh yeah, Nope.
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Nope. There's nothing crazy.
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Everything here is all allegedly, by the way, because
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neither of us are lawyers. Were just speaking as regular,
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humble. And I am just reading off of a
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forum. If you'd like to go to
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archerytalk.com and you can find this forum and read it for
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yourself. So supposedly the owner said to
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this man the Athens deal was Dune from the start.
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I told them the day I saw how their system worked, the patent
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claim number and the drawings in the bow tech patent that covered
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what they had. So essentially I'm not sure but
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from what he's saying it moved the same way.
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They didn't understand patents. There is no change in it. 10%
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and you're good. Sorry, there is no change.
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There's no change at 10%. See this is what like you got to
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read the sentence correctly. There is no change at 10% and
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you're good. A patent covers how something
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functions. Look, how it looks or what it
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does only covers how it does. So to me he sorry I hit the mic.
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He just screamed his own failure.
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That's all he said. But if you take a look, so I've
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dive down the rabbit hole again. I went to their website and I
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pulled up a picture of their Cam.
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Take a look at that. Does it look any different?
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I mean it looks the same. And when you watch the Youtubes
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of Scotty or of Josh cracking that like system and moving it,
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now there's a little discrepancy because Scotty says he thinks it
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looks like it moves the limbs. Josh says he thinks it looks
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like it moves the Cam. So there's the question, does it
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move the limb or the Cam? But based on that, that spiral,
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you know, I can't remember what you call that, but the threads,
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the thread would be shifting the Cam and the way you function a
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deadlock. There's no like he says, there's
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no make it 10% how it looks different, You know,
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functionality. You can't make it 10% different
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and let your your patents not going to get approved.
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It has to function different. There's no broad like anything.
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So you come from the side, you turn it and in deadlock the Cam
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moves left or the Cam moves right.
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You come from the side on a truth, you turn it and the
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threads move it left or the threads move the Cam right.
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Functionality wise, how is it different?
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Well, my question would be even if Scotty was right.
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Friend of the show. I know Scotty and I know Josh.
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So let's just for fun say that Scotty is right.
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Uh huh. Play devil's advocate.
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And it moves the limb. Doesn't Matthews probably have a
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patent on that for their? Oh, I'm sure, because Matthews
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doesn't roll stuff out before the patent's approved.
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So my point would be even the even if it was moving the limb,
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wouldn't then you be biting off Matthew's apple?
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So I don't understand it. But if Matthews were to sue
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them, then they would be just fine.
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People would love it. Yeah.
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You know. So one of the big comments.
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In there I don't get is like why is Bo tech the bad guy?
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Like I don't understand that. I don't I.
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That's the part that I just don't understand as a business
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person. Like why It's such a simple
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question. Why do people cheer when Hoyt or
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Matthews protect their patent but when Bo tech does?
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They're like Satan and the worst thing ever.
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Maybe someone can drop their? Maybe drop a comment because I
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just don't get it like that doesn't.
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Make sense? I don't either.
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And one of the the thread persons say, oh, Oh well, you
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know, because someone brings up like, why didn't they sue or
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whatever? Granted, again, everybody keeps
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saying lawsuit pending AC sand assist does not mean lawsuit
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pending. It just means stop what you're
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doing or we will or we could or we would like we're letting you
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know we know that you're doing this and we don't like it
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because this we think is infringing on our path.
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Now there could be one pending. Now, who knows?
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Maybe someone has an inside scoop with bow tech and heard,
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you know, the lawsuit is now officially pending.
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But in the the threads going to what you're saying about like,
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why is everybody harping on bow tech?
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They're like, why didn't, you know they sue Martin or
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obsession when K set was used on the bow or what not?
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They're just threatened by, you know, truth because they're
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actually going to take their market share.
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Well, no, think about it. Bo Tech sat idle and watched as
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it came out on the Martin. It came out on the obsession and
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said, OK, these are smaller companies.
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Like look, then Athens did it. They said, OK, that's enough.
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So it should it be surprising news that after they saw Athens
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do it and now another company tries.
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So this would be the fourth in a row trying to do this.
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Why is everybody in an uproar saying, oh, Bow Tech's just
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suing everybody? You know, like, why do they,
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like, get to just protect their patents so much?
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How many more companies can try to steal their patent before
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they just sit there and with their thumbs up their butt?
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Well, and alleged, you know, this is all allegedly too.
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I, I haven't talked to any higher ups at any of these
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places. So we're just, we're literally.
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Speaking. We're Speaking of public
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information, posts we've seen on the Internet, shit we've seen in
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this forum. The other thing that's
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interesting I think to consider here is that every company that
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has used or you could say potentially ripped off Deadlock,
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Martin Obsession, Athens Truth, all of those companies are like
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really small archery companies, right?
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I do you think there's probably a reason why a big company like
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Apse or a Bear or a Hoyt or a Matthews or a Darton, you think
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there's probably a reason why one of them haven't tried to use
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it? It's these small companies that
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are probably thinking maybe we can get away with it if it was
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that easy to skirt around the patent.
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Then why have you come out with a system that moves the Cam yet
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exactly? You know, why did they go
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through years of probably technology research and
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development, R&D to come up with a system that moves the limb?
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Because they steered as far right or as far left as they
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could from getting sued by Bowtech for steel infringing on
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their. Pants.
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They're smart, they know that that is not going to work.
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And supposedly that system works pretty well, you know, of moving
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the limb. And what a clever way to kind of
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accomplish the same thing, you know, is it as good?
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Probably not quite, but it's still really good, you know, and
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then darton, I believe, has it to where you can put pressure on
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opposite limbs. So it has like your center bolt
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for poundage and then it has bolts on the edge of the limb in
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the front to where you can change pressure on the limb.
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Just somewhat accomplish the same thing elite as one where it
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kind of can rock the Cam a little bit.
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So there are other ways to get around it, but I don't know, I,
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I would care less about this if I didn't see such a bias of
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comments towards Botech. And it kind of sucks because,
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you know, I've shot Botech for 20 years now and obviously, you
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know, I am on the team. So I'm, I'm a little bit biased
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of of course, but at the same time, like just logically, it
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does not make sense the backlash they get for stuff like this and
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how Botech kind of went from like being a cool brand of like
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the whipping ponyboy of the the keyboard warriors.
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Like I don't get it. I think the bows are really
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good. The proven 34 is like the best
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bow I've shot in a long time. The reckoning is great.
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Like I just don't understand it. And I think that should change
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because I do think bow tech's a cool brand and I think they make
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great stuff. So I just don't understand why
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they're getting bullied so much and they're the ones being
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called a bully. I'm like, no, the bully is the
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one trying to steal your stuff. Yeah.
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Because the small. Guy, it's the small bow brand.
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It's the, you know, it's the affordable one for the, the, the
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common man or woman. Oh really?
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The prices are the same on those bows I think.
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No. So this bow comes in, this new
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truth comes in at the 33 inch axle to axle weighs less than my
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virtue. Virtue.
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OK, and how much is it? 3.45 lbs and bare bow it's 1600
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bucks. OK.
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And I think the virtue is like 19, so it's a little bit
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cheaper. Yeah.
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So you know, it is a budget price.
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Point, but it also doesn't have a picatinny, it doesn't have a
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center mass. It doesn't have you know, time
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lock, grip lock doesn't have all sorts of stuff their warranty.
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I don't know anything about the brand.
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Yeah. You know, it's just, I don't
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know it, I'm in the same boat as you that I I don't understand
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why it's pick on bow tech year for defending something that
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they've worked hard to put in the money to cause getting a
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patent is not easy or cheap. And you say, oh, they've got a
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bunch of lawyers that do it for them and whatnot.
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And sure, that is the case. That also costs a boatload of
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money. So, and the matter of the fact
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is you could all be mad, but. Like praise bow tech for having
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a patent that everybody is trying to steal.
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I don't see all these small bow companies coming out stealing
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bridge lock. Well, no.
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You know, or, or whatever like that's.
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A perfect example. Like if that's the Case No one
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else has bridge lock. Why is no one saying Oh well
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Matthews needs to license it's out.
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I've haven't read one person say that, but I've read a whole.
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Deadlock is so important. Now here's my thing, Bose Beau
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brands do share patents a lot and license them out and that's
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great. Darton that's like their whole
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thing, right? Most of they have tons of them.
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Patents only last so long. I don't know how long I.
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Think it's 50 years. 50. I could be speaking out my ass
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but I'm almost certain it's 50. Years.
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So maybe Botech goes, hey, we got something so good that even
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after 50 years, people will probably still be using this
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system. Why wouldn't we exclusively use
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it for some of that time And then at some point they probably
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will license it out. I would just guess I don't have
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a crystal ball but like I don't know if the.
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Company hits like a financial crisis, that's when you could
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consider things like that, but. I just think it's so goofy.
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But anyways, this episode is probably going to get a ton of
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comments and I don't know, I guess drop below why, but why Bo
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tech getting all the hate? I I don't understand that.
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I don't think they should. I think it's unwarranted.
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And yeah, I mean, I don't know. I.
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Think it's just like if somebody like you as the the viewer,
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somebody walked up to like something you built and started
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selling, like someone walked up to to Ernest with his native
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straps. Or you know, our our friend
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who's now making the mirror archery single points and just
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copied it. Well literally copied it and
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maybe changed the clip that clips to your vinyl.
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Harness Oh, it's different because it has this clip.
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Yeah, functionality overall, they do the same thing.
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They function the same way. You're like, you're just going
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to sit there and be like, I'll let them also make it.
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You'd be pissed. And you'd protect your patent
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because both those products you just named the native strap and
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the mirror archery single point are both patented.
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So or pending patent pending. You're telling me those guys
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wouldn't have the right to defend themselves like if they
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got ripped off by True Glow or something?
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Now that would be a tough mountain to climb because it's a
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much bigger company. But just as an example, like
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yeah, you would go defend what you spent your time and money
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investing in. And with Botech, it's the exact
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same thing, just like Matthews and Bridge Lock.
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It's not, it's not like random that no other company uses
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bridge lock. You really think that's just a
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random reason that oh, just nobody's choose to use it?
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No, it's because it's patented and they don't let other
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companies use it. Yeah, it will.
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And at the end of the day, I think it all just goes back to
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like, it kind of makes me chuckle on the inside because
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all these people in a uproar, like why don't they just license
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it? Like why are they going after
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all the little brands? Like, you know, just let them
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use your extremely expensive patented, you know, you know,
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design. At the end of the day,
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everybody's trying to use that, like come up with a form of
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deadlock or literally just stealing the function of
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deadlock because it is the best patent right now.
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Like if anybody wants something on their boat, it's that it's
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deadlock. It's not bridge lock.
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It's not, you know, whatever other patent there is out there
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that these bigger companies like Matthews have.
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And so Bowtech is being put in the spotlight for having
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something so good. Well, instead of hating on it,
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why don't you go shoot a Bowtech?
24:25
Yeah, seriously. You know, like.
24:27
Don't get. A bow tech like don't just hate
24:29
on the the the brand and say, well, I'd rather shoot a Athens
24:33
or a truth or a Martin or an obsession or whatever.
24:37
Well, just go shoot the bow that came up with the design that you
24:40
like, you know, like they rightfully did the work to
24:43
create that. So if you want like it so much,
24:49
go shoot the bow that rightfully owns the pack.
24:51
Well, another thing about bow tech too.
24:52
I mean, they have such a diverse line of bows.
24:55
Like you could get any type of bow.
24:59
You want to get a carbon bow that's long axled axle, you can
25:02
get that. You want a long carbon bow
25:04
that's shorter, you can get that.
25:05
You want a magnesium bow? You can get that.
25:08
You want a solution that doesn't have time lock or gridlock, but
25:14
it still has deadlock and it's a little bit cheaper.
25:17
You can get the solution LS. You can get the, you know,
25:20
proven 34. You can get the core senior.
25:22
You can get the shorter core s s like there is so much you want a
25:26
woman specific bow. You can shoot the Eva three.
25:29
You you want something cheaper, you can get the Bowtech amplify.
25:32
Like it's such a diverse line that I think if people just went
25:36
in and truthfully shot all of the different bowtex, look at
25:39
the spec, say this one fits the best for me.
25:41
For me, that's a proven 34. Go try the proven 34.
25:45
Try in the long Cam, try it in the short, depending your draw
25:49
length and really give it an honest crack.
25:51
Don't just say, oh, I'm not going to shoot it because a
25:53
couple people make fun of it. Like no, give it a try.
25:56
And I would be surprised if you don't really love whatever the
25:59
bow is you shoot. So I don't know.
26:03
I mean, I doubt. I mean, who knows?
26:07
I mean there might be tons of keyboard warriors in the
26:09
comments on this video, but I doubt it.
26:12
I think everything was said was quite logical.
26:14
It's well, we're being logical, right?
26:16
I mean, it is what it is. Like how you going to hate on
26:20
true points to our knowledge. Like I said, we're just using
26:23
stuff that's public on the Internet.
26:25
I don't have any back story. You have no back story.
26:28
We're just being humble poppers talking about this stuff and
26:32
it's interesting. And again, it's all alleged.
26:35
I don't know what's we don't know.
26:37
We're not lawyers. We're just talking about it as a
26:39
regular humble popper consumer. So I don't know, man, it's
26:45
interesting. But at the end of the day, it
26:48
comes down to the fact that or, or I find it interesting that
26:53
you know, you again, keyboard waters jump on, warriors jump on
26:58
and start hating on bow tech and whatnot.
27:01
Look, there are bow shops, we've named 2 ones with they have
27:09
years of experience, knowledge, expertise, knowledge.
27:13
And at first glance of picking up the bow, you say I don't know
27:20
how they're going to get away with this.
27:22
I mean like. Well, and Josh said the same
27:25
thing when he did the Athens video years ago.
27:27
Yep, he picked it up and I remember watching it.
27:30
He goes, yeah, I'm not sure how they're getting away with this,
27:34
but they apparently think they are going to.
27:36
And then a little bit later, they were.
27:38
That's, that's all I'm saying is that when people with the
27:41
expertise and knowledge can pick it up and on first glance,
27:46
they're not patent experts, no, but he's a bow expert.
27:50
He is a bow expert and he knows the functionality for sure of
27:54
the equipment within the bow. And if you can pick it up and
27:58
immediately use that piece of equipment, say, I don't know, I
28:04
don't know how they're getting away with this.
28:06
And look, I mean, he called it from the time he made that video
28:08
till now. What what a couple months or
28:10
something and. No, this came out eight days
28:13
ago. 08 days ago and boom, there's a cease and assist and.
28:20
Did you say cease and assist? Cease and desist.
28:23
There you go. Yeah.
28:25
But yeah, I mean, All in all, I'm, I agree with you here, not
28:32
just being biotech to bias, man, my language is going out the
28:35
window. Bias to Botech.
28:37
My name's not on the contract. You know, I just, I think it's a
28:44
little unfair or righteous of, of people to hate on Botech
28:51
because they've recently over the past year been put in the
28:53
spotlight between the Athens thing and now this for being
28:57
like patent protectors. Well, good for you.
29:02
If someone just came up and said I want your car and just took
29:05
it, would you be pissed? Yeah, like just took your car
29:09
right out of your driveway and said, but I've been paying for
29:11
that. I put the down payment on that.
29:13
Like I've spent money on that that car.
29:15
And they're like, well, it's I want it now.
29:18
And they just took your car. Now you have no car.
29:22
Well, it's sort of like it. It's it's literally the, the
29:25
backlash is so interesting. It, it really is when like the
29:29
rules for me, the and not for me, that's what it is.
29:32
It's that it's like deciding which laws you think should be
29:36
around and which ones you don't think should.
29:38
It's so stupid. It's like it, it would be like,
29:41
oh, well, the speed limit's 55, but I think it should be 70, so
29:44
I'm going to go 70. That's like you're just deciding
29:47
what rules you think should matter.
29:49
But the rules are still the rules.
29:50
It's still a patent bro. Like, I don't know.
29:53
And and maybe maybe bow tech's wrong and it is different.
29:57
And if that's the case, fine, but you've got to let.
29:59
It worked out with time. But you've got to let it play
30:02
out. You know what I mean?
30:03
Like the system, look at that picture, it looks the exact
30:06
same. So if you're in bow tech shoes,
30:08
you go, OK, we looked at it. We know our patent, we think
30:12
this violates it. Please stop using it.
30:15
And then it's up to them what they want to do next.
30:17
Truth can go, well, we don't care.
30:18
We think we're going to win, keep selling bows and then you
30:21
get a lawsuit. And then you really find out
30:23
who's right. Yeah, it's as simple as that.
30:27
And that'll only time will tell. And we'll I'll, you know, I'll
30:30
keep up with watching the keyboard war.
30:33
If not really, I'm just going to keep up with, you know,
30:36
following if a lawsuit does then transpire from this.
30:39
This one's going to get some engagement, I do want to say.
30:42
With that being said, sponsors of today's video, it's got to be
30:46
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30:52
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31:03
products. They ship fast, good prices,
31:05
free shipping, $99.00 and up. So yeah, Team BD, Podium,
31:11
archer.com, Botech, archery.com. And yeah, I am, I'm, I don't
31:19
know, I'm just tired of Otech being in this like hated space
31:24
and it's a relatively new thing, like that wasn't the case until
31:28
pretty recent. I just, I hope they're just.
31:31
The one who keeps getting their patent stolen.
31:33
I hope soon we get kind of like Renaissance or like a reset.
31:39
And I mean, I'm going to do my best to promote good bows just
31:42
like, I mean, I post archery content literally every single
31:47
day, year around and all of it. I'm shooting a bow tech, you
31:52
know what I'm saying? And I'm not going to shoot them.
31:55
I don't care what it is like. I'm not shooting something that
31:57
I think's ass. And obviously that's true
32:01
because I've shot the bows for 20 years.
32:06
It's a long time. I'm not going to shoot him for
32:09
20 years, 19 of them for as a normal paying customer because
32:17
they were trash. You know what I'm saying?
32:18
I shot him because I really like them and then I signed on with
32:21
them because I think they're a great brand and I want to be a
32:23
part of helping, helping grow the ship, you know, So I don't
32:26
know. It is what it is.
32:28
In other news, we're working on some top secret things that I
32:33
can't talk about. I could just say we're working
32:35
on something really, really cool and we are selling boning veins
32:39
now, Boticidals, boning veins with the logo on the side.
32:43
We actually have some new ones coming in as well, so we'll have
32:46
another version on the site in probably about a week.
32:50
What do you think of the veins we got?
32:51
The Atlas veins we got? The.
32:53
The alpha. Sorry, we got the AA veins and
32:56
the Blazers, Yeah. Tried and true.
32:59
Dan, we're selling. We have white, yellow and pink
33:04
and I'm freaking excited. I think on your bow you're going
33:08
to be running the alphas and I'll probably just keep running
33:14
the Blazers that way. We have a little bit of a mix.
33:17
For Ted on my color coordination.
33:20
For Ted, we'll probably, I'm probably going to get Ted set up
33:22
with the Alpha Alphas as well for his big Alcott, be a little
33:26
quieter. But yeah, a lot of exciting
33:30
stuff happening. Check out the website
33:32
boatdisciples.com. We're really growing it.
33:34
I mean, there's a lot of stuff on the website for you, so go
33:37
check that out. And we got some hunts coming up.
33:42
I don't, but I do have hunts where I'm, I'm going to be
33:45
helping and of course filming, which I love.
33:48
You got a deer hunt coming up. I know you're excited about,
33:51
you're comfortable with the bow now.
33:53
You got her dialed in, your whole setups dialed, you know,
33:57
for for that hunt. And then when you get back, I
33:59
know you're going to do some some tweaking with arrows, as we
34:02
talked about up at Victory for Tech Tuesdays.
34:07
Or is that what it's called tech?
34:08
I think so. So, yeah, a lot of fun stuff in
34:12
the pipe. And then of course, Ted's Elkin.
34:14
It's going to be some bitching content as well.
34:17
Just a lot happening. It's been a Goodyear and.
34:21
Flying by. Yeah, I know, I know.
34:23
It really is flying by and I just.
34:25
Got to say too, January. It's been fun because it's
34:28
August right now and we've been home since.
34:34
When did we get back from the last trip?
34:36
You got home, well, you were home for one evening and then
34:39
went to Mexico. So you were Mexico the 14th
34:43
through the 18th. So you've been home since July
34:45
19th? So we've been home since the 19.
34:47
That's not true because then we disappeared up to hunt Black
34:50
tail for. Oh geez, I peak.
34:52
A week or something? So we've been back since early
34:54
the end of July, early August. So anyway, we've been back
34:57
about, let's call it two weeks and we really did take a proper
35:04
probably like week off of really just basically just doing
35:07
orders, doing short form content, filming the house
35:10
series. We should talk about the house
35:11
series. So that was super, super fun.
35:15
And I obviously got the idea from Bryson Dechambeau legend
35:19
golf content where he did the same thing.
35:23
He had to hit a hole in one over his house.
35:24
I think he did it day 14 but that's obviously much harder
35:28
than shooting target even though 260-4246.
35:31
Is still frigging impressive to do.
35:33
Yeah. Thank you.
35:34
Holding one in, I was about to comment.
35:37
On his 14 Oh, it's very. Welcome this.
35:39
Both are impressive. Yeah, yes, both are impressive.
35:43
Yeah. But anyway, I thought that was a
35:45
lot of fun. It was actually really
35:47
interesting to read the comments because people were very engaged
35:52
in that series. Yeah.
35:53
They really. Well that made you think of
35:54
another one, which I will not say.
35:56
Yeah. So you can do it in the future.
35:58
Those will be rolling out soon. Next part will be rolling out
36:01
soon so. I.
36:04
Don't know anything else you want to touch on in this
36:08
particular podcast? No, I mean we are excited.
36:14
We get to go up today and a whole bunch of Badlands gear and
36:18
it's like Christmas when we get up there today.
36:22
So in those videos never perform as well as like a both well.
36:28
You know. Technology like gear review I.
36:31
Thought about this. I don't know why I never thought
36:32
about this. Just do shorts on those, yeah?
36:35
Yeah. Rather than a full video, just
36:37
do 'cause you shorts can be 3 minutes now, yeah.
36:40
So you could do like a 3 minute short talking through the gear
36:43
and that way it's not funking with your algorithm for the the
36:47
the. Lightweight, you know, hot
36:50
weather, short, cold weather, specific item, whatever.
36:54
What I'm really excited about too, is that Teddy doesn't even
36:58
know, but I I got him a ton of gear.
37:00
I did tell Connie. Oh, you did.
37:02
I told her not to tell him she hasn't because we're it's going
37:05
to be a surprise. And you know, he loves getting
37:06
like hunting stuff or bow stuff or arrows or whatnot.
37:10
So anyway, I do think my video would be funny though if we
37:13
tease him with giving it to him but then tell him like he's got
37:16
to make a certain shot for every piece of gear and each time.
37:20
It could be kind of fun, but anyway, so we got to have a
37:23
bunch of gear. Brianna got new gear, I got gear
37:28
just to make sure we're really dialed for this next month and a
37:30
half, but between? Cold weather Hot weather.
37:33
One thing I want to say is I'm telling you that's that is the
37:37
best value code that we could offer.
37:40
It is 20% off. Yeah, and hunting clothes,
37:44
though Badlands is good, like good quality prices like any
37:50
hunting gears, like somewhat steel steep.
37:53
But when like you can go to one site and it's frigging $300.00
37:57
for a pair of pants, I'm like, I'm out.
37:59
I will say too that Badlands. So not only do you get 20% off
38:02
when you use Code Team BD badlandsgear.com, but they also
38:07
have the the most robust warranty out of any of the Cam.
38:12
It's the best part about the. Bird so their their their
38:14
warranty is very similar to what vortex has where you could send
38:17
vortex. They have that picture where
38:19
it's like a muddy just mess of parts and they sent it, you
38:22
know, sent it back and then Vortex sent a new pair.
38:25
It's the same at Badlands. So I mean, you could have a
38:27
backpack for 10 years and then you tear, you know, it brings.
38:31
A lifetime warranty. There's no ifs, ands or buts
38:35
about it. It is a lifetime warranty.
38:39
So if after a year that shirt is, you know, beatered and you
38:45
go across the Bush and it finally tears in a scene, all
38:49
you got to do is you go to the website, you go to the warranty
38:52
section, they're going to walk you through it step by step.
38:54
It's so simple. It sounds like an ad right now,
38:57
but literally like what other companies when you're paying
39:01
$150.00 for AT shirt, but it's a lifetime T-shirt, you could get
39:06
that T-shirt over and over again.
39:08
All you got to do is pay 11 time purchase of the shirt for
39:11
$150.00. And then you put a piece of tape
39:14
on the area of the item backpack.
39:17
Like Ted sent back a backpack where the the clip fell off or
39:22
whatever or broke or something. All you do is stick some blue
39:25
tape on there to show where it's damaged.
39:29
And nine times out of 10, they're just going to send you a
39:33
brand new product. I have not seen where Ted has
39:37
received back like a fix of the same product.
39:41
So you could still see it had wear and tear or something like
39:43
that. It was his.
39:44
They just send you a new one. Now can they fix it?
39:47
Yes, that's part of the the lifetime warranty, but you
39:52
either are going to get it fixed or you're going to get a brand
39:54
new one back. And to save that much money when
39:57
hunting is so expensive, like when you think about the fact
40:00
that tags are going up in states, licenses are going up in
40:03
states. Well plus 20% is just a lot.
40:07
Every time I hear the amount I'm like dude that's crazy.
40:09
So if you buy $100 item, you're only paying 80 bucks when you
40:13
use Code Team BDA. Lot of veterans discounts or
40:17
what do they call them? Brittany was just talking about
40:19
this first responder. First responder discounts aren't
40:22
even that. High.
40:22
I know it's a lot. So anyway, definitely use that
40:25
code. I've been loving my Fanny pack.
40:27
I've been using it. I've been using it every single
40:30
shoot. At first I thought it was too
40:32
big, now I don't think so. It fits really well.
40:34
It's very comfortable. I can fit 2.
40:36
I can fit 3 waters in there or a camera.
40:39
I can fit all kinds of stuff. So I've really been liking the
40:42
Fanny pack. Buy no harness combo for 3D
40:45
shoots. And then you said this is your
40:48
favorite backpack, this and we've tried quite a few
40:50
different brands of backpacks. Yeah, yeah.
40:53
So the I don't even know the model I have, but I have one
40:55
it's it's a very simple day pack, which is what I
40:58
traditionally like as day packs. And the one I have I I really
41:04
like. I mean, so I've had Tenzing,
41:07
I've had Everly stock the Team Elk pack, the Tenzing I think I
41:11
had like the TZ 2200. And then I now have the
41:14
Badlands. I wish I knew the model but I
41:18
always really liked my Tenzing pack and was like dude that's my
41:21
favorite pack. Then I got the Eberly stock and
41:23
I it was it was fine but I definitely like my Tenzing
41:26
better. Then I got this Badlands pack
41:29
and at first I thought it would maybe be a little too simplistic
41:33
for me. It was pretty simple but it does
41:35
have things you can add. I just didn't really add any.
41:37
So I was running a pretty raw dog other than the side pockets
41:43
and I love it. I mean, it fits really good.
41:47
It's a good size, but you can also fit a lot in it.
41:49
It's got enough nooks and crannies because I like to have
41:51
a special spot to put like tags and licenses.
41:54
So it's got that and yeah, I've enjoyed it.
41:58
So I'm actually, we'll see if I mean, we'll see.
42:02
I think I'm getting a backpacking one as well, like
42:04
for like tent camping, so I'll give that a try as well.
42:07
I normally don't hunt that way. Usually, but I mean with Ted's
42:11
hunt, like we said, there is some potential that you guys
42:14
will need to got to figure out the tent situation though we're
42:17
going to do that. But granted, you could always if
42:20
it's not buggy, literally just the tart and and a string, you
42:25
know for do. But you guys may end up needing
42:29
to hike out a few miles and like every couple days if I got to
42:32
bring in water or whatever and hike back out, you know, if
42:37
that's what's going to be best for getting to the elk you guys
42:39
spot or what not, that backpacks going to come in pretty darn
42:44
clutch for that. Yeah.
42:46
So I mean, but yeah, I'm excited.
42:50
We're going to go up there today to my parents, film a few
42:53
things, a lot of lot of great content coming out.
42:57
I mean, we've done a lot, lot of content this year, so be sure if
43:01
you happen to be just a podcast listener, which is, you know,
43:05
definitely possible, head over to the regular Boat Disciples
43:08
channel, check it out. We have so much cool stuff
43:10
coming out. Not only a bunch of hunts this
43:12
year that have been posted, more to come, but a lot of fun
43:15
shooting right now. We got a lot of more educational
43:18
like stuff coming out, which is. Really easy.
43:20
I think that's great. It's stuff we we don't do often,
43:23
but we do it in more of, you know, it's still fun and
43:25
relaxed. You know the everyday person.
43:27
You don't got to like really dive down the rabbit hole.
43:31
It's like, you know what works for you.
43:33
You can still do it at home. You don't got to dive down the
43:36
rabbit hole like we're about to with arrows and you know, get
43:41
this in depth. But I think it is fun to do.
43:44
It's stuff we haven't done. So I think it's going to be very
43:46
interesting. I think this Broadhead test is
43:48
going to be interesting. Yeah, I'm excited for the
43:50
Broadhead. Test I'm excited to shoot the
43:52
gelatin. Well, how many how many times
43:54
have you seen the broadhead? I'm sure they exist like if you
43:57
were to look on YouTube, but it's probably not too often that
44:00
someone does it with short draw light pounded so that that'll
44:02
be. And again, might not perform
44:04
great because that's not many. No, it will.
44:05
But that'll perform great. Yeah, that'll do great.
44:08
But the video that I'm most excited for people to see is
44:11
actually the SOS video because even editing that sucker, I'm
44:15
like, dude, this is, it's not like a lot of times when you
44:21
test the archery product, it's like subjective, like, oh, I
44:24
feel it's better, blah, blah, blah.
44:25
This is like a you can see the data and it is, I won't say
44:29
which direction, but it's very clear whether the product works
44:33
or not. It's not like I think it might
44:36
work. It's like, no, you look at it,
44:37
look at the data, it works. And we tested that.
44:41
Like I thought of that when we were shooting with Joey and then
44:44
we just went out there. I showed up late.
44:47
We had four people do it, so you get to see four people do it.
44:50
Four different variations of shooters, you know, somebody who
44:53
is, you know, way more twitchy, you know, has has a shake like,
44:59
you know, Yeah. And then you who's been shooting
45:03
for forever and like is almost dead still as it is, the
45:07
evidence is there in all of the shooters, which is what's crazy.
45:12
And what's crazier to me is that like that was like on a whim,
45:16
quick test throw a mantis and an SOS on and off each person's
45:20
bow. We filmed the.
45:21
Whole thing in. An hour wind environment.
45:23
Yeah, we filmed the whole thing in an hour and a half, so it
45:26
wasn't like we were fluffing it and taking forever to film each
45:29
person 'cause we're trying to get the result we want.
45:31
No it was literally 2 shots with and without track it.
45:36
Boom next person because we don't want to be there forever.
45:38
Everyone was hungry and wanted to go get Lollipop.
45:40
So what's it's going to be so crazy to be able to like, it's
45:43
really one that I'm most interested to do a follow up
45:48
video where we like slow down. Yeah, we go indoors.
45:51
Yeah, definitely. And start looking at like you
45:54
know you can change how much you rotate that SOS.
45:59
That's what I like is changing. Yeah.
46:01
And, and I think that's going to really be beneficial for myself
46:05
to find exactly what I I need. But being able to see that each
46:09
time with the Mantis, I think it's just going to be crazy.
46:13
And now you're in a, you know, controlled environment indoors
46:17
and then going back out now once you've fine-tuned this piece of
46:20
equipment, seeing the results and then going and shooting like
46:24
in an environment in short distances, in long distances.
46:28
There are some questions I have about the product that I did not
46:31
say in the video, but maybe in Part 2 we could say is like I do
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have a bit of concern just because the wires are relatively
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frail. Like if you set your bow down
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incorrectly, is it going to like bend the shed out of those
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wires? I'm not really sure.
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So I do want to maybe do like a durability test and I do have a
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bit of concern it won't maybe be the best.
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It might be one of those products you got to be kind of
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cautious how you set your stuff down.
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Yeah, but. Or when traveling you may need
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to or when traveling take it off case that is cut out for it
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which people do it with their. Now there may be a way to build
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build like a cage around it or something or like a put it in a
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bottle or something so that way it's protected like it could be
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I don't know in the view it would look goofy, but it could
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work. I don't know.
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So it was one of those things that I'm very excited for that
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video to come out that'll be out this Sunday.
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So when you guys are watching this tomorrow on Wednesday, this
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will be out Sunday, So go check that out and.
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Look at those thighs. Thank you.
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Yeah. Big old eggs, big old missiles.
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But anyways, I think that's about it for this this spot.
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I think it was a really good we. Got to go get some gas strings
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put on. Yeah, we got to go get some gas
47:42
System X strings put on my Reckoning 39 Gen. 2 and
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Brianna's Virtue. We're going to get some fresh
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strings put on and then go up and film content for a bunch of
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time later this afternoon. So stay tuned.
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