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The Collector Car Guide (CCG) · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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Break Fix podcast is all about capturing the living history of people from all
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over the autos sphere, from wrench, turners, and racers to artists, authors,
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designers, and everything in between.
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Our goal is to inspire a new generation of Petrolhead that wonder.
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How did they get that job or become that person?
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The road to success is paved by all of us because everyone has a story.
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Sometimes you might feel like being a car enthusiast is a lonely place.
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In reality, the automotive world is practically the only industry today where
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you can almost instantly form strong bonds with fellow hobbyists in short order.
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But there's so many events, clubs, and gatherings to choose from.
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How do you know which one to pick?
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That's where Collector Car guides steps in as the ultimate reference for
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car enthusiasts in the DC, Maryland, Virginia, and Pennsylvania area.
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With us tonight.
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To expand on that thought is CCGs publisher Rob Parr.
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So welcome to Break Fix Rob.
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Thank you Eric.
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It was a pleasure to be here today.
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I have to give a little bit of backstory.
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Why are we talking about the Collector car Guide?
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And it just so happens I was visiting one of our sponsors, happens to be Auto Fab.
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You know my favorite fabricator and I saw your annual magazine sitting in their
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display area and I had one of those.
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Wait, what is all this?
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Moments and when that happens, I know there's a story to be told.
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That bright yellow cover definitely got my attention and I was
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flipping through the magazine.
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I saw listings for vendors that I knew, clubs, all sorts
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of information and motorsports organizations that piqued my interest.
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So I reached out to you and, and I, my first question, like many
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episodes is, where did CCG come from?
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Where'd this idea come from?
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What's the origin story behind the collector car guide?
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It is a kind of complicated answer to that.
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It was kind of a threefold answer.
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I'll try to bring it all together for you.
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Back in 2002, I founded something called the Maryland Pet Gazette, and that is what
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we call the ultimate resource for pet.
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So printed directory for pet lovers, and I'm gonna segue into it, so I'm
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not gonna talk too much about that, but there's a point to me bringing that up.
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And the resource became highly popular and it became the first place pet owners
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would go for reliable pet services.
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We're located in vet offices, animal shelters, groomers,
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boarding, other locations.
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Although we wanted to remain a popular niche and it was
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going very well for many years.
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Started to wane a little bit back in 2018, so I started doing some analysis, what
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to see what was going on, and discovered two important reasons, a majority of
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our readers for that publication where between 30 and 50 in demographics.
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So the second thing was the industry, and it's going on also in the car, in the
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auto industry, is consolidated through buyouts, mergers and acquisitions.
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So you don't see as many the the small parts stores, for example, some of 'em
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are getting bought up by larger stores happened in the pet industry as well.
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I decided at that point to just strictly go online.
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It's still online today on the Maryland p.com.
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But also I've been in the cars, I mean, since the mid eighties and
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in fact, when I was in college.
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I started my own mobile detailing business, so that was, you know, something
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I, I had back then different cars.
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I had Volkswagens muscle cars and even a Corvette.
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Participated in car shows, dabble in racing and auto cross back in those days.
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But I was not very handy with as far as repairing stuff goes.
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I could do small things most complicated.
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Everything I ever did, which I messed up, was a replacing a radiator in my 70 GTO.
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Anyway, so with occasional repair work needed and my limited mechanical
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ability on a 70 GTO and a 70 Buick Gs convertible, many times back in those days
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it was a young guy walking into a shop.
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Maybe they saw me.
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I figured I was an easy target, whatever.
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I was ripped off for work.
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I did not need a, a recharged for actual work or mechanics would
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break something on one of these cars bring forward, back into 2019.
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When I came up with the concept, I was actually here
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locally, here in Westminster.
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We have a. VFW and they do like a Friday night type of
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cruise pretty much every week.
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And I, I actually overheard a conversation between who two hobbyists, one guy
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was asking about where can I get parts for certain parts from my car.
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I can't remember specifically what they were about, but I remember the
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questions and one was looking for parts.
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The other guy was looking for events going on in the area.
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As he spoke to each other, they each did not have a clue as to what, where
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to go for either of these things.
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Hit me over the head like a sledgehammer.
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Had an epiphany.
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Why not provide a vetted reference guide for car enthusiasts, just like I did.
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Marilyn Peck that for Pet Love.
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So that's really where that stems from.
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I'd like to consider myself more like the Henry Ford where I connect everybody.
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I'm like the conduit, so to speak.
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That's probably the best word I use.
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I'm not really per se my myself an expert like some of these other people are.
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But avatars write the articles.
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I'd rather them write the articles.
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They're more of an expert than I am, especially in certain fields.
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And that actually by itself and, and just like with the pet publication,
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has steered people to the website.
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Obviously we're online, like we have SEO, like everybody else,
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social media and connections.
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Just so the demographics on this, so, you know, the printed guy
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is, is really between 50 and 75.
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The majority of the readers are, and even I'm within that category
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and I still would like to use a printed copy versus going online.
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Although I have fully access online, most of these guys have smartphones and
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they know most of the features of those phones and I don't know 'em all myself.
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And, uh, luckily I was able to sell my wife on it.
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Gotta have the, the better half behind you, you know, she
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said, Hey, that's a great idea.
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That's where we go.
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That's how we, how we started.
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That's the origin of the concept.
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And now we have two issues in already.
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So I'm working on my third annual chock full of information and we'll
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get into what's in there, what services you offer and how it all breaks down.
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And I tell you, you know, I mean it definitely got my attention.
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And like I said, when things get my attention, and I'm not
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saying I know everything about everything, there's something there.
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And this is awesome.
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And you know, this is coming from a petrolhead to other Petrolhead.
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And that's what's important is you've got the discerning eye of.
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What needs to be in here, but also being a publisher yourself, having worked
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on other pieces, other magazines, et cetera, you know how to lay it out.
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So as I went through it, I was like, man, this is fantastic.
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This is great.
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You know, how do we get involved?
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How do we get people to understand what it is that you're trying to do?
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So let's expand upon that.
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You kind of gave us the background on the magazine itself.
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There's two pieces to this.
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There's this annual magazine as well as your digital newsletter
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and the website itself.
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So when you put all three of those together, what types of services
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does Collector Car Guide offer?
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Okay.
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So yeah, the Annual Guide is really a reference guide.
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So the idea with behind these is basically to have something for reference.
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They'll read it when they get it cover to cover, like probably you did yourself,
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and then they'll file it somewhere, maybe their glove box or in their
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garage with their OR service manuals.
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So when something breaks, they have it right on.
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They have something and they can hold in their hand and it's a one stop shop.
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On the relevant articles in here, things that, you know, not everybody thinks about
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necessarily, but are important things.
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And then it gives me the opportunity to list all the clubs, like we have
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like over a hundred clubs in here and by category or, or by make even my
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model in some cases like Ford Mustang or versus just Ford in general.
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We have some overlap where you have the, if you go onto
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the website and you look at.
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In the different pages we have there, I want, we have our mission
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statement, which basically is my mission because of my background.
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I wanna steer people literally in the right direction.
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That's kind of like a, one of our slogans we use, pun intended.
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Yes, right, exactly.
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The idea is everybody, I've vet everybody before I put 'em in here.
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There's other publications.
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Out there.
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Some are good.
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You know, you've heard of Hemmings, I'm sure, or a national company.
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They go across the United States.
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We actually all around the world when it comes to buying parts, things like
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that, the emphasis behind a whole thing that we, even when you go from just a
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printed guide to the, to the website and through newsletters, through subscribers,
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is to go within a two hour range.
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There's a lot of people in our backyard that can do the work.
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People like, like I have probably heard of stories, and you see shows on, you
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know, MotorTrend for example, on tv, and they're going halfway across the country
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to get this thing done and across three states farther away from something else.
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And it's fine, but.
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The thing is there's a lot of good experts in our area within our re
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I call it like rather call it a region, even though it's local.
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It's somewhat regional too, because I've got somebody all the way,
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believe it or not, down in North Carolina, I've got Breaker racing
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who's pretty famous for rear differentials and they do other things.
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They build chassis for clients, things like that.
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So that's probably my furthest one.
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But they were more like more nationally known and I'll
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probably get some more of that.
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But most of the.
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Emphasis is on the local small business.
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And the other thing is, that's part of the mission too, is to help the small business
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because I'm all, I'm a small business guy and, and I believe in entrepreneurship, so
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I wanna help promote the small business.
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The bigger companies, they may not have the expertise that the smaller guys have.
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I'm not saying they don't.
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In some cases, most of the time if you deal with, you walk into a mom and pop
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shop and he's got a business, let's say he is got a machine shop and he is been there
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25 years, that guy knows what he's doing.
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He's been there a long time.
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He's got a reputation, but well, like our favorite fabricator
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auto fab, I mean, right.
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There you go.
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You know, I, I recommend them constantly.
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If somebody ask me.
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Where do you get this done or where can you get a cage
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done, or, I need a custom part.
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Made you go to Auto fb.
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They're in this area, right?
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They're in this journal and obviously your book was on their shelves at the shop.
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And what I like about the CCG is, as you flip through this and what
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really caught my attention is.
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It's not just, you know, a Yellow Pages type of thing or a bunch of
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articles that are slapped together.
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It's really a nice blend of different genres inside of the car
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enthusiasts and Motorsport world.
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I wanna stress the and Motorsport world.
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I mean, obviously there's vendors in here, there.
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Some of our sponsors listening here, like Battery Warehouse and Auto Fab and, and
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others that we've worked with in the past.
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But then there's also articles in here about, you know, liquid
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paint versus powder coating.
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Right?
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Really technical.
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There's an article in here that I saw when it was in Dvo
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Ganger the first time, right?
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The PCA Potomacs Magazine about.
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Restoring an air called Porsche.
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There's actually a racing guide in here for the local drag strip.
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The ovals, one of these shots is actually from NJMP.
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From SCCA, you know, things like that.
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So as, and, and I actually really was intrigued.
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You guys had a review on the Quick Jack, which is, I actually
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own one of those, so it's.
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It spans the gamut.
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And so every time I flipped the page and I saw something that either I recognize
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or knew about it, put a smile on my face.
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And obviously a lot of these things are local.
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So for anybody that's tuning in in California, they're
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like, eh, yeah, whatever.
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To your point, it's all in one spot.
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And this is super useful.
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It's like, Hey, let me flip through here and, and one of the things that
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got my attention, again, places to get non ethanol fuel, like we talk
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about that a lot with our classic car guys, and they're like, Hey.
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Did you see that this sheet now has, you know, ethanol free fuel and
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you're like, let me scratch that down.
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Lemme write it down.
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It's in the C, C, G, you've already got it listed here.
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So that's why I find this to be a great Cliff's notes to the car enthusiast world
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and this is a great resource to have.
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Well, thank you.
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I appreciate that.
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And hopefully people will consider like you, like a Bible and at least within
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this region, that they, if they need anything, that it's available here.
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And actually that one of the things we're trying to do.
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To expand is we want to continue growing our category list online
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as well as in the magazine.
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There's some overlap between the two.
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If you go online, you'll see if you go to a recommended vendors category or
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online, you'll see a lot of these guys.
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Advertisers are by category, kind of like we did in the magazine.
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A little different in some ways.
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When you go to look at each of the examples, it's more.
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The book is static.
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Even though it's great, it's static, right?
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Whereas online, we can update it.
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We can take an advertiser's ad, we can add photos if they wanna add them,
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we can have links to the, you know, I think through social media articles,
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we can link to articles, videos.
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A lot of these guys, not everybody does YouTube, but the people who do have
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YouTube videos, we can link to those.
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Have a map to the location, so it's a little bit more, I guess
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you would call that interactive.
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Absolutely.
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You know, more than anything else.
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So that, that's an interactive way to get through.
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The younger crowd generally likes to email more today than
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they do to pick up a phone.
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I'm a, I like to pick up a phone, but there's direct dial on, available on
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mobile devices so that they can do that.
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Direct emails, you know, this way they have a, you know, a way of
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getting in touch by other means besides just the, the phone.
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Some of these guys that run these shops, they just don't have
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any face time with the public.
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Some of 'em are in the back.
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Some of the guys, absolutely.
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These guys are, they're prepping cars to get painted.
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They're doing machine work, they're doing other things.
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They're not, some of 'em aren't as people.
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People like we are.
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They've either got a front person in the office or they don't have anybody.
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And the only way to get in touch with them is to email.
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I think over was an example.
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I can't remember the gentleman's name that that runs it, but I had to
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email a couple times before I could actually speak to him because he is
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usually not in the front of the office.
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Oh yeah, yeah.
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They're brazy busy and that shop is like a maze.
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And you know, people are always amazed.
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Being involved in the motor sport and car enthusiast world for so long, there's
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some of these shops that I walk into and I just wave at the people and I go
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straight into the back and my friends will go with me and they're like, wait, what?
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And I'm like, I've been coming here since I was in diapers.
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I mean, gimme a break, you know?
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But yeah, to your point, the guys that are, that are doing the work
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are oftentimes in the back, not at the front of house, you know?
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But those are the ones we wanna connect people to because they're the ones
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that their name is on the door and they've built these vehicles, you know,
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whether they be race cars or show cars.
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Re restorations or whatever they can be of help.
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And a lot of times it's like those commercials you see on tv.
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Well, if you know, then you know, in this case maybe you don't know.
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And this is where something like the CCG gives people a leg up to
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say, Hey, they've been vetted.
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These are what other automotive enthusiasts are saying are
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reputable shops to go to.
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And, and when I looked at your recommended vendors section of the
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website, especially, and I know it's in the book, but obviously the website's
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gonna be more dynamic and more fluid.
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This is gold right here.
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This is your go-to spot.
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Just like we talk about for track days, we talk about h hpd junkie.com, right?
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That's where you want to go for that nationwide schedule.
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Of all those track events, the CG is the other side.
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Where do I go to find that part for that, you know, DeSoto or Ed Solar, you
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know, whatever you might work on next.
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I'm being extreme here, but the idea is that.
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You've got a resource, you've got this place, you know, a one stop
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shop for all this information.
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So recommended vendors isn't just it for C, c, G. You guys have got some
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other stuff going on with events and the ability to advertise and stuff like that.
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So why don't we unpack that a little bit for our listeners as well.
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Part of it is we have a list of clubs that are generic in here,
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and it's a little more than a static listing in the magazine.
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Eventually we'll probably have.
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A list of all the clubs, but right now, at least to start off, is,
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this is still in its infancy.
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Of course.
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At least there's some information because I really believe that everybody
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should consider joining some kind of a club out there because the,
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the resources are, are tremendous.
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There's an old slogan, I think it started with.
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Horse Club of America.
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What We came for the cars, but we had the friends were what we, it it,
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it did, it changed and it became, it's not the cars, it's the people.
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That's it.
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So they shortened it.
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Yeah.
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So that's right.
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Now the Corvette Club says it also.
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So, and then we have to pick and choose because being a different
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interest in different cars, like I personally belong to three clubs.
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I approach all these people and they all want me to join their club.
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And some of 'em gimme.
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The guy from the Cadillac Club, I think his name's Vinny, gave me a
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free membership, which I never asked for, but I, I love Cadillacs too.
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I love them all.
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You know, maybe I'll hang out sometime with one of their events.
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We wanna give everybody the opportunity to see what's out there, because a lot of
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people don't know about these clubs and there's a huge upside to that as well.
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I recently kind of was reintroduced because of COVID.
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Right.
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You know, being home and watching the races.
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I went to the petite Lamonts and I had forgotten that there's all these.
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Car corrals at these bigger races, especially like IMSA
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races and things like that.
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Even if Formula One races, they have this kind of stuff and you walk in and if you
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show your membership card, even if it's digital, like, oh hey, I got a BMW, you
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know, membership, then you're suddenly, Hey, come on into the BMW corral.
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We got, we got food and we got drink and you can park your car over
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here and all this kind of stuff.
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And so there's this extension of benefits.
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That a lot of people forget.
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It's like, well, why do I want to join the club?
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I tell people all the time, join SCCA, even if you're not a racer, support
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the Sports Car Club of America and by proxy, if you go in there, there are
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discounts for major vendors for being an SCCA member, whether it's for breaks or
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it's for tires or for whatever have you.
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It's worth its weight in gold when you hook up with these clubs.
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But if you're not aware of them or you're trying to spin up
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your own, which is fine too.
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I mean, if you wanna be the the North American Eco Boost Ford Flex
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Club, I mean, that's fine too.
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That's fine too.
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But you know, it's gonna be a small market.
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But looking at some of these bigger organizations that are established, to
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your point, you're gonna find friends.
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Whether you want to or not, but you're also gonna have resources and the ability
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to exchange parts, and that's huge.
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And we'll probably expand upon that more here as we go along with the conversation.
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But I didn't wanna derail you, so keep going.
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Absolutely.
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You're, you're educating me as we're speaking right now actually.
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And I, one of the reasons I was really interested and intrigued
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and, you know, connecting with you, Eric, is the fact that.
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You have resources I'd like to bring to, to our readers attention, especially the
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racing side, where you have guys that may want to, they've never raced before
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they, but they wanna try it, they want, they wanna dabble in that a little bit.
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We wanna give them the opportunity to do it.
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So I'm hoping I can expand with your help in this racing section.
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Maybe have a, a separate page for that also.
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On our website.
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Absolutely.
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And that's, that was the whole impetus behind our first season, was
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introducing people to what we call different disciplines of motorsport.
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Have you ever heard of autocross?
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Do you know what a rally cross is?
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You know, what is HPDE?
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You know, all those kinds of things.
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And so those kinds of explanations, even though they might be basic
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for the veterans, is important to these folks out there that are now
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picking up CCG for the first time and going, well, what is an autocross?
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How do I learn about that?
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Where do I learn more?
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And it's really important that we foster that educational layer for car
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enthusiasts because without your guys' help, you know, all these listeners
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that are tuning in, Motorsport dies.
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So we have to keep the interest going and it stems through not only just
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the sport, but through the clubs, the parts, the vendors, right?
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We are all part of an ecosystem and we rely on each other to keep it moving.
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And this actually is a good segue to, you asked me about our newsletter, kind of
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a byproduct of the fact that we want to keep building this thing up in the news.
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Having a regular newsletter, be it monthly or whatever, is a really good opportunity
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to keep the eye on the ball for all of our subscribers and bring in new people
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in, obviously, obviously helps see.
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SE as you're trying to generate more traffic to your website.
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Of course, part of it also, you mentioned SCCA, but I think also everybody should
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consider joining CMA as a member.
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I agree.
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Because CMA really behind all this and is trying to protect us because
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right now, and this is something that specifically this month in,
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uh, in February, we're gonna cover a couple legal things that just came.
18:23
One is in Maryland where they're trying, they wanna tax everyone with, with a car
18:27
that doesn't have go three emissions.
18:28
So that's an condition exempt, probably heard this the first time,
18:31
so I just got something from them.
18:32
So I'm broadcasting a, a link on there.
18:34
I actually went online today to contact all the state senators
18:37
and Maryland General Assembly.
18:39
As well as the, the representatives or the, I guess they call 'em delegates,
18:42
make them aware of what's going on.
18:43
'cause a lot of times the times they pass this legislation not knowing
18:46
what's going on, some of it's because they're political, but also because
18:49
they really don't know, you know, what are the ins and outs of all
18:52
this and how, who are you affecting?
18:53
So everybody's got one collector car that's not getting emissions test is
18:57
gonna have to pay $14 every two years.
18:59
Which doesn't sound like a lot of money, but it just adds to the difference.
19:02
We already have to have special rules.
19:04
If you have certain tags on your vehicle, collect the street rod tags.
19:07
Et cetera can only be operated specifically at, at
19:10
certain times and whatever.
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Now, I don't know if people kind of bend the rules and they don't
19:13
worry about it, but still you, you don't wanna have more restrictions.
19:16
Bringing this to the attention of all the, the enthusiasts is important.
19:19
'cause then they can get involved.
19:20
You know, it's also, we have cool things on there, like spy photos
19:23
or like links to spy photos.
19:25
From different sources out there.
19:26
We, we'll give them credit of course, you know, fun stuff on like at the, uh, show.
19:30
We had an East Indoor show.
19:32
We, I participated in that with folks at Motorama do that.
19:34
So there's a couple photos on I Candy we posted up on one of our,
19:37
uh, social media sites we pointed to.
19:39
So that's really good to keep in front of people and have, also have something
19:43
to look forward to on a regular basis.
19:45
And obviously this being a slow time of year because it's winter,
19:47
people aren't thinking about really cruising around right now.
19:50
Although they are, some of 'em are working on their winter projects.
19:53
We found out during COVID that that was a huge thing and actually
19:56
the auto industry did better.
19:58
Some of our clients actually like Gunther's Machine.
20:00
Jeff said he had the best year he ever had during COVID.
20:03
They didn't have anything to do.
20:04
They were not working, or they either laid off or they're working from home.
20:07
They had spare time on their hands so they could work on these projects.
20:09
So they'd bring him different things to work on.
20:11
They motors, whatever, and he'd do it for him.
20:13
So he had a really great year.
20:15
Something continuing to further, this is always a better thing.
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Absolutely.
20:19
That's where the newsletter, it points to our website.
20:21
Absolutely.
20:22
There's an efficacy to the newsletters too, because I see it a lot on these
20:26
different social networks that we're a part of where I'll recognize an article.
20:30
I'm like, oh, that came from PCA's newsletter, or that came from Chris
20:34
Bright's, you know, CPX newsletter.
20:36
This came from, you know, Rob CCG newsletter and, and it goes around and.
20:40
These articles make the rounds as much as a lot of people are like,
20:43
well, it was in a spam folder and I missed it for three weeks.
20:46
There's many of us, like myself that I'm, I'm reading these, I'm looking at
20:49
these automotive journals and that's how I'm staying, you know, up to
20:52
date on a lot of this kind of stuff.
20:54
Right.
20:54
And it's, it's really fascinating and granted.
20:57
You could make the argument, well, we don't live in the automotive industry,
20:59
but if it's your passion, right?
21:01
All this stuff is important.
21:02
Just like you were saying about the laws changing in the DMV about
21:05
emissions and collector cars.
21:07
I mean that's important to a lot of us that do have multiple cars or that our
21:10
car enthusiasts, we just did an episode last season where people of my generation,
21:16
you know, not too far off yours, I'm not, not dating us and placing us just yet.
21:20
They're starting to turn their eyes now to say, cars are the nineties.
21:25
Are they collector cars yet?
21:26
Is it time to invest in a car from the nineties?
21:28
So the nineties cars are now on that edge too, of do they go to emissions anymore?
21:33
Are they considered vintage?
21:34
You know, especially here, dc, Maryland, Virginia.
21:36
What does that mean?
21:37
So the point that you're bringing up is really important for somebody that
21:40
might be going, Hey, you know, that old, uh, nineties Lexus or Toyota Supra, or
21:45
whatever it might be that I'm thinking about buying to do a restoration on.
21:48
You know, now you have some other things to think about,
21:50
some other things to consider.
21:51
It's all very relevant.
21:53
It's just, you know, how do you capitalize on people's attention and their time?
21:57
Right.
21:57
We're, we're constantly being bombarded by information, but
22:00
again, as a reference guide, the printed manual's awesome to have.
22:04
The website is dynamic and it's being updated.
22:07
So I guess that leads us into the next question, which is, how does someone
22:11
contribute to Collector Car Guide?
22:13
How do we become part of your world?
22:16
Help build out your website, get your name listed there, get your information
22:19
out if you're not already on the list.
22:21
How does that work?
22:22
You know, it's so funny because generally as, as a, as a role I've been in sales
22:25
for, since before college, I'd like to get some more inbound uh, sales
22:29
because 95% of the sales I have are.
22:32
Me going out there knocking on doors, being aggressive without being
22:35
annoying, so to speak, if possible.
22:37
They call that gen generating pipeline?
22:39
Yeah.
22:40
Correct.
22:40
I pretty much generating my own, I, they say, I always go by the philosophy.
22:44
If it's to be, it's up to me.
22:45
Obviously, if I can get enough feelers out there on, on the, on the web, get
22:49
more interest, you know, but I, yeah, obviously it's getting the name out
22:52
there, getting the feelers out there.
22:53
Obviously I'm open to talking to everybody, but again,
22:55
they have to contact me.
22:56
Then I go and do my own.
22:57
Background search on them, going through my sources, the people
23:00
I know that I trust, some of 'em are who are in the guide.
23:03
Now, also going online, checking reviews are for valid reviews,
23:06
not just just any reviews.
23:07
'cause there's a lot of fake reviews out there.
23:08
And I wanna give everybody a fair shot.
23:10
They have to be at least a four star though if I go across different things
23:13
like Google Reviews and Facebook and some others that I trust and I can come up
23:16
with, you know, the fact that they're, they're a decent company to deal with and
23:20
like for example, there's a company on the Eastern shore that wants to advertise.
23:23
Everywhere they can and their restoration company.
23:25
I won't, I don't want their money.
23:26
I don't want, I don't wanna have anything to do to do with them.
23:28
They advertise in other places, but I, I won't take it because it's all
23:31
about reputation to me more that's more important than the money.
23:34
Because being a hobbyist myself, I wouldn't send somebody anywhere.
23:37
I wouldn't go.
23:38
That's a fair statement.
23:39
It's so basically it's one of those things where I wanna share a good
23:42
experience and also very important.
23:44
We wanna send people to some place that it's gonna be the first place to go.
23:47
And the only place, I can't tell you, of all the shops and people I deal
23:50
with, how many cars they've had from, you know, other places that have messed
23:53
something up or whatever, and they, the guy spent a hundred grand, now he's gonna
23:56
have to spend more money because they have to undo the work that this other
23:59
place messed up and start from scratch.
24:01
So they've been better off not going there at all to begin with.
24:03
Part of it is also education.
24:04
People don't realize, I wanna get a, I want a 70 Chevelle.
24:07
I mean, that's a very common car that people want, right?
24:09
They had it when they were a kid or.
24:11
Whatever their dad had one.
24:12
The thing is they have no idea what, how much, how the time and energy it
24:15
takes to put that together to build a car, even if it's street worthy.
24:19
I'm not even talking about show worthy, I'm talking about street worthy.
24:22
It could be at least a hundred thousand dollars to start.
24:24
It goes up from there when you're looking at rates of a
24:26
hundred dollars an hour or more.
24:27
Some of guys are getting $150 an hour.
24:29
That money gets eaten up so quickly.
24:31
So a lot people will do it because it's a passion, but generally, most of
24:35
the people that are subscribers, they car, they're enthusiasts and they'll,
24:38
they'll spend the money, they don't care.
24:39
Personally me, if I wanna get something from my car, I'm gonna
24:42
buy the best part I can find.
24:43
If I can find, like when I got timing and chain cover from my Buick, a few
24:46
years ago we redid the, uh, we had to rebuild the water pump and all that.
24:49
There's two companies out there.
24:50
There's TA perform.
24:51
He was a nationally known company, and then you got another company was Chinese,
24:55
and the Chinese time machine cover was $300 and the other guy was five 50.
24:59
I said, he's made in America.
25:00
And I read reviews.
25:01
I'm, I'm going with that guy.
25:02
And I called the guy.
25:03
I actually talked to the owner, which I was really impressed
25:05
talking about contacting people.
25:07
Mm-hmm.
25:07
And I wanted, I said, I gotta compliment you.
25:09
You have a really good product.
25:10
I said, we installed, I'm not a mechanic, a good friend of mine's a mechanic.
25:13
And he, I assisted him putting this, this part into the car, replacing it was.
25:17
Perfect.
25:17
In fact, he had improved the engineering on the product.
25:19
So, you know, like, just like the quick Jacks getting the information
25:22
about why are they better than, why are people spending the money on this
25:25
product versus some other product.
25:28
So an education process.
25:29
My job, I feel, is to help educate people.
25:32
And some of 'em may already know this, and some of this might
25:34
be, you know, no, no big deal.
25:35
Some of this might be over their heads and they have no idea.
25:37
So where they, how do they get started?
25:39
Where do they go?
25:40
I'm looking at an article here called Restoration Roadmap.
25:42
Solving the new issue here.
25:44
So you, you gotta get people a starting point so they at least know people
25:47
that are breaking into this hobby.
25:49
Like you're talking about guys, look at the nineties, well, maybe they really
25:51
weren't car enthusia, but they love the specific car back from the nineties.
25:55
Well, now they have an opportunity to maybe look where, what can I do?
25:58
What are all the stages involved in in taking that corn to a restoration?
26:02
Well, and all those TV shows you watch on, you know, and I'm not poking fun
26:05
'cause I love 'em all the, what I call restoration shows, like on motor trend
26:09
and History channel and stuff like that.
26:11
They make it look so easy.
26:12
It's like wave a magic wand and suddenly that rust pile is a cheves,
26:18
you know, Barrett Jackson car.
26:19
Well that doesn't happen overnight.
26:21
That takes.
26:21
Upwards of a year, if not longer.
26:23
And to your point, probably a hundred thousand dollars to do that.
26:26
Now, if you watch roadkill, that's probably closer to what you and I could
26:30
put together on a budget, you know, is grab a car to the junkyard and it barely
26:33
gets to wherever our next location is.
26:36
You know, and, and there's variance in between.
26:38
But the reality is.
26:39
Every journey starts with a step, right?
26:41
To borrow that particular phrase.
26:43
Making the right first couple of steps is super important When you're starting
26:48
a project like this, especially when you're talking about a restoration,
26:52
building a race car, I mean, I've said it time and time again, I have wasted
26:56
enough money to pass on my knowledge to other folks to say, don't buy this part.
27:01
And it's not because it's an inferior part or whatever, it maybe
27:04
doesn't hold up to track use and abuse or the heat or whatever.
27:08
It's a great part for the street, and I've already wasted my money on it.
27:12
Don't go down that road.
27:13
That's part of that whole idea of sharing of information, and it
27:17
comes down to the three Cs, right?
27:19
Communication, collaboration, and cooperation, and that's
27:22
what helps the automotive.
27:24
Enthusiast world, continue to move forward is us working together,
27:28
talking, sharing stories, experiences, you know, and helping each other out.
27:33
Again, I applaud you for putting all this together, but let's go back, you know,
27:37
here I am, vendor A, I'm hearing about, you know, CC, G for the first time.
27:42
I want to become part of your world.
27:45
I wanna advertise.
27:46
How does that work?
27:47
Do I just get a spot in the magazine on the website?
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Both.
27:51
What does it cost?
27:52
What are we looking at here?
27:53
If I wanted to advertise outside of the vetting process, I mean you,
27:57
you explained that really well.
27:59
What's the next step once you go, Hey, yeah, this looks good.
28:02
They contact me.
28:03
Usually I like to speak with someone at least by phone, preferably if I can meet
28:06
them in person, because this is a very visual, as you know, with the magazine and
28:09
even looking at the website, uh, even on a smartphone, it's a very visual thing.
28:13
And they, there's different, they can get involved specifically in
28:16
the magazine, solely in that they can go online an ad with us just
28:20
strictly online or they can do.
28:21
They get a significant discount with both.
28:24
The minimum thing I recommend, uh, someone gives a bold blue listing
28:27
in the magazine, which I believe starts about 2 45 for the year.
28:30
We give everybody rates and annual, and is an annual because for me, as I do all the
28:34
sales, I have to work the book by area.
28:36
So I'm in different areas in different times.
28:37
So right now I'm working in specific area.
28:39
Today I was, I sold two ads.
28:41
Actually renewals.
28:42
My goal is also to keep our existing advertisers happy.
28:45
The other thing we do is something specific to advertisers
28:48
I didn't mention before.
28:49
I also like to give each of the advertisers, depending on what
28:52
they do, some breathing space.
28:53
So if there's two machine shops that are next to each other,
28:55
it's first come, first serve.
28:56
As long as the reputation's good, I'll only put one in.
28:59
I won't put the other guy in.
29:00
So, you know, again, it's to try and help them maximize their benefit
29:04
'cause they're making an investment taking a risk with me and I wanna help
29:07
them out in re in return for that.
29:09
It's very important and I, I wanna stress this and anybody contacts
29:13
anybody in here, please mention, collect their car guide when you call 'em.
29:16
'cause a lot of times people don't mention it so they don't realize
29:18
they're getting any feedback and then they may think, well, maybe
29:20
I'm not gonna do the ad next time.
29:22
So sometimes I feel like I'm going two steps forward and one step back
29:25
because if I've got now, I've gotta get somebody else in here instead.
29:28
Like I said, I'm trying to expand it.
29:30
It's, there's a little bit of headwinds when it comes to trying
29:32
to keep the people in the magazine.
29:33
Some people, like I said, actually most people do, they do not do
29:36
their due diligence to see, really see how they're doing with, and the
29:39
other publication the same thing.
29:41
They're really do, they can anecdotally, they can get a feel of like, well,
29:44
I'm thinking that business going up.
29:45
I'm not specifically knowing it's, it's this or that, but
29:48
I know things have improved.
29:49
I'm thinking it's doing better.
29:51
If anybody's got a little bit of business consultant working with them,
29:53
they, they have some way, even their accountant or something can give 'em
29:56
a little bit of leeway as far as.
29:57
You gotta evaluate what you're doing here.
29:59
Found that most people work in the business, but most, most people
30:02
do not work on the business.
30:03
Important thing is that they're in the right place.
30:06
And what I tell people, you gotta advertise to the right audience.
30:08
It's some people feel like you're throw enough 'em out against the
30:10
wall, something's gonna stick.
30:12
But if it's too generic, it's too far out.
30:13
For example, on a popular AM radio station and the Baltimore area,
30:18
I hear of, uh, one advertiser advertising certain things for cars.
30:21
Now I talked to the guy before about this.
30:23
He's throwing, he's telling a ton of money.
30:25
I assume he is getting something out of it.
30:27
And you know, especially if you've got a limited budget, put your money into the
30:30
vehicle where you're gonna get the most bang for your buck, your, your audience.
30:34
In other words, who's your audience?
30:35
Anybody out there who wants money, who wants to make money and be very
30:38
successful and they're chasing the dollar, they'll take anybody's money.
30:41
And that's really where most of the publications are out.
30:43
They, they'll take anybody's money.
30:45
They don't care if their reputation's bad or not.
30:47
The, the money's more important to them.
30:49
So, but I think that there's a good meld here where you basically melding in the
30:52
mind to speak where you have the right people in the magazine or the online,
30:56
on the resource, and they're speaking to the right people on their lending,
30:59
their expertise to those enthusiasts and getting them in the right place.
31:02
There have been people in the past where they'd want to advertise, and I'll say, I,
31:06
I don't know if I'm really right for you.
31:07
There was a guy who did like work on homes, but he wanted, he
31:09
liked the guy he wanted to be in.
31:11
The only thing I could do to bring somebody in here who's not in the
31:13
automotive field is make him a sponsor on our OR club page or something.
31:17
But generally I want to keep it specific to the industry.
31:20
That makes sense.
31:20
So I, yeah, I generally like to meet people and that way they get
31:23
a feel of me at the same time, see, make sure it's a good fit, and then
31:26
see how I can help them, because.
31:28
I'm a very visual and I can take an ad they may have done or look at
31:31
their business card and figure out how are we're gonna work in this
31:33
space to get your message out there.
31:35
I've got an ad here from, uh, it's called PCS Power Coding Specialists.
31:39
Mm-hmm.
31:39
It's a small ad, it's an eight page ad. It's very well done.
31:41
It gets right to the point, isn't it?
31:43
People don't have to have the largest ad to get the best re response.
31:46
I'm also talking to a guy right now who's an artist.
31:48
He just got, Shelby gave him like the licensure for their logo, which is huge.
31:52
He might be better suited.
31:54
We have like a couple spot ads on our website.
31:56
I could put 'em under Art in the magazine and put 'em under art online.
32:00
The categories under recommended vendors, but because that's not something people
32:04
normally look for, I think maybe he'd be better for a spot ad on our homepage.
32:07
People see it right away.
32:08
You know how people get diverted.
32:10
Oh, that's kind of cool.
32:10
I'll click on that.
32:11
And then the next thing You're on his website.
32:13
Yeah, exactly.
32:14
I wanna feel them out to see what I think is best for them based on what
32:17
they do and how they're gonna benefit.
32:19
I always believe in putting other people before me because
32:21
I want them to benefit first.
32:23
I, I'll get paid eventually for doing the right thing, but if
32:25
I put other people first, then.
32:27
Give them what they want, then that's really the bottom one to help them out.
32:30
Full call ads in the magazine, ads on the website, stuff like that.
32:33
Obviously there's a cost associated with the ads, but let's just say you wanna
32:37
get your club listed, or you wanna get your event listed on CCG or better still,
32:42
maybe you're an aspiring author or you wanna republish an article as part of the
32:47
CCG website or even in the next annual.
32:49
Is that something that is available to folks and how do they go about that?
32:53
Good question.
32:53
So basically I call that free stuff.
32:55
My goal is to help the close builder memberships up.
32:58
I'm hoping they'll, they'll embrace our resource and as a result of
33:01
that, but Club Listenings are free.
33:03
The events are free.
33:03
I have a guy who helps me out, his name's Tammy.
33:06
He helps me out get the, uh, list, gives me lists of events,
33:08
and I also put some on myself.
33:10
And we try to do it on a list so it's more efficient to get 'em all at one time.
33:13
Uh, he'll give me events maybe up to two or three months in advance,
33:16
depending on who they are, where they're located, and so forth.
33:19
Then I'll, I'll kind of enhance 'em a little bit if I've got a flyer.
33:22
I can pull somewhere, I'll add it so they can click on the
33:24
flyer for more information.
33:25
That's free.
33:27
So like most people, we, we are always looking for content.
33:29
Unfortunately, with the printed magazine, there's a limited page count.
33:32
I have to limit the articles to the people who buy the ads
33:35
because space is such a premium.
33:37
It's like real estate on a monopoly board and park place and Boardwalk.
33:40
You gotta make everything count there, right?
33:42
So there's free stuff in the book and I don't mind putting
33:44
free clubs listings in here.
33:46
Some of the larger shows are in here.
33:48
I don't put all the little show.
33:49
To me, a car show is great.
33:50
It doesn't matter if there's 25 people or a hundred people there, but we
33:53
only have so much space in there.
33:54
So I usually tend to put the larger events in there.
33:57
Carlisle Events is one of our sponsors, so you know, obviously
34:00
that's a big type of thing.
34:02
Tens of thousands of people that attend their events.
34:04
But online I could do a whole lot more.
34:06
There's no limitation on space.
34:07
We just started a blog on, on our website.
34:09
We're obviously taking advertisers.
34:11
We're allowing them to provide additional, if they have blogs or they
34:15
want to, we'll post them up there.
34:17
If there's somebody else that's got something, I'm happy to, to put it
34:19
in, maybe link it on our newsletter.
34:21
So there's different ways we can get their content up.
34:23
If they wanted to contribute something, I definitely would.
34:26
You have to consider who they are and so forth, obviously.
34:28
And at the end we usually have to give a credit to the, the author,
34:31
and then if they're an advertiser, we'll link to their website or if
34:34
they've got another classic auto mall.
34:36
We just posted their blog up there about.
34:38
Doing estate planning, working with your collector cars, you know, that's something
34:41
people think about this time of year.
34:43
I thought it was relevant to have that up there.
34:45
There's like a little link that goes right to their add on on our
34:47
website that you would find on their, uh, the recommended vendors.
34:50
Yeah, I'm always looking for, obviously more information.
34:53
I think another thing is the racing side of like.
34:55
I'd like to get more with your help.
34:57
I think I can get that and I'll be giving you credit for anything, any
35:00
contributions you guys would wanna make.
35:02
And I know you've got your own stuff too, so that's cool.
35:04
And we can help contribute to that, share some information.
35:07
I think it'll be valuable.
35:08
Well, we're all part of one big car enthusiast, happy family, right?
35:11
So we're happy to share.
35:13
And so wherever we can make that partnership work and we can make
35:15
it grow, obviously like we've been talking about this entire time, it's
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all about collaboration and working together to support each other and
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keep this hobby, label it as that, you know, strong, alive, and vibrant.
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So that's awesome.
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I mean, it sounds like there's a. Bunch of different ways for people
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to get involved with the CCG.
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Obviously, you're coming to the table with past experience as a
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publisher with a successful version of this in a totally different genre.
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So repeating the formula, not a bad thing, it's just getting people's
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attention and it's about awareness.
35:45
So that's why we're having that conversation.
35:46
But that does lead us into, so there's been two of these annuals put out.
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They are annuals, so they come out once a year.
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What are your ideas for the future?
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Is it gonna come out more?
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Often expansions of the website.
35:59
What are some things you're thinking about now that you've gotten through
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your first year and change of the CCG?
36:05
What are some lessons learned and and what does the future look like?
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Basically, I, like I said earlier, I'd like to expand the categories.
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That's a big deal.
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I don't know if the magazine, because of the way it's.
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Set up is part of the thing is the way it's published, the way it's
36:17
printed, is the fact that it has to be done in certain page counts.
36:20
You know, so the first magazine was at 40 pages, and the second one, the
36:23
one you're looking at is, is at 48.
36:25
So it depends on, you know, who's in the magazine, the size of
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the ads, how we lay it out, like putting three puzzles together.
36:31
Online is obviously more open, but as more information becomes available to us
36:36
information and as in combination of the two, we can make the magazine larger.
36:41
You know, obviously I wanna have more people in different categories online.
36:44
There's some other things I'd like to add.
36:46
Uh, I was thinking toying with the idea of doing some type of, uh, and I don't
36:49
know if this is gonna work or not, maybe having some kind of a marketplace online.
36:53
It'll be a very small charge to advertise.
36:55
Let's say somebody had.
36:56
Set of wheels they wanna sell for a small charge for too much time.
37:00
They would, could be 10 bucks or 15 bucks.
37:02
Like a, like a cla, like a classified or something.
37:04
I remember, I remember back in the day, a staple in the DMV was the penny saver.
37:08
I'd flip right to the back and see what cars were for sale
37:11
and what parts were for sale.
37:12
I mean, stuff like that doesn't exist anymore.
37:14
And it was kind of fun.
37:15
I mean, then.
37:15
You know, then we had the advent of Craigslist, which is neither here
37:18
nor there anymore, but, and Facebook marketplace and stuff like that.
37:22
But it is difficult, like there's a lot of of junk, right?
37:24
If you're in the business of curating this and saying, Hey, we'll accept
37:28
that ad that's a legitimate, you know, 1970 Chevelle distributor
37:32
or whatever, and, and you have eyes on this, then you go and say.
37:36
You build that trust with your community, you're that trusted
37:38
advisor now to say, Hey, we're putting in classifieds that are legit.
37:42
These are known people, you know, whatever.
37:44
It might be known quantities, and you can buy from them.
37:47
They're reputable or, or, or whatever.
37:49
So you're bringing folks together and I, I think that's a good idea actually.
37:53
Again, like I said earlier, it could be a conduit, but I don't know if
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we're really ready for that, even though it's on the back end of the
37:58
site and it's set up to do that.
37:59
I think we need to get to a certain point where like there's a, a threshold.
38:03
We, once we break that threshold, and I don't even know what that number
38:05
is yet to actually do it right now.
38:08
There's so much competition out there and it, it really is hard to
38:11
compete against that kinda thing.
38:12
I'm not really trying to compete per se.
38:14
I want the, the people who want to, if they wanna make that investment
38:17
of $15 or whatever it is, I certainly don't want them to get
38:20
it to say, oh, this doesn't work.
38:21
You know, I don't want them to look at or say, well, I tried
38:23
advertising there and it does.
38:24
No, you're, you can't get a hundred percent.
38:26
There's no guarantees.
38:27
Yeah, there's no guarantees.
38:28
No guarantees in the world.
38:29
But generally though, I think if we get, once we get to a certain threshold,
38:32
that'd be something I would push more for.
38:34
I think the blogs are, are really good to have them be
38:36
adding to that as we go forward.
38:38
So Rob, we talked about the website and obviously nowadays
38:41
it's all about social media.
38:43
So you guys are currently on Facebook.
38:44
What are your plans to expand your social media presence?
38:47
Okay, well, I find that what happens is with Facebook, without getting too
38:51
political, that there's some people who are migrating away from it.
38:53
So we've actually started a social media.
38:55
We have a page on gat.com looking also at Reddit, which is got a pretty
38:59
large following in the car community.
39:01
I'm looking into other social media for this year to input ad pages too.
39:05
Where we can share, because that way obviously you've got one specifically
39:09
for the community, but more and more generic ones that are, that have
39:11
a following in the car communities that are out there, I'll certainly
39:14
wanna make sure that's there as well.
39:16
So that's, that's gonna be something we're do this year and I invite you and
39:20
our listeners and I wanna remind them to come visit Garage Riot, the social
39:24
media network for car enthusiasts.
39:27
Buy a car enthusiast, right?
39:28
It's a great place to share your stories.
39:30
Post pictures.
39:31
Donovan's big thing is no kitty memes, no political rants.
39:34
It's all fueled by petrol at the end of the day, so garage
39:37
ride's a great source for that.
39:38
If you're looking for a social media platform specifically for car
39:42
enthusiasts, I'll be looking into other types of way of expanding online.
39:46
Thing, like I said earlier, maybe having a page for the racing side would
39:49
be good, like we do in the magazine.
39:50
I'll be looking to you for some more help.
39:52
So, so that was, that was my other question.
39:54
So let's dream big, you know, where is CCG in 10 years?
39:57
Are you thinking regional magazines, you know, Northeast,
40:01
southeast West, things like that.
40:03
Are you still just wanna focus on the DMV?
40:05
Well, the thing is, it's a great area.
40:07
I, I mean, we're looking at the, probably getting into the, to the
40:09
panhandle in the West Virginia, the western side of, of, um, Virginia.
40:13
Based on my limitations, the only way I could go further than that is to,
40:16
to basically franchise this business.
40:18
I just don't see how, in knowing how this type of thing works with
40:21
publications, that I could get someone else in another area that would
40:24
wanna be interested in doing this.
40:26
And I'm doing this more of a passion, more out a passion,
40:29
even though I'd make money at it.
40:30
A business, obviously we have to pay for the, the cost of printing and
40:33
the web space and everything else.
40:35
Obviously we're trying to wanna make a living at it, but
40:37
primarily do it because I do it.
40:39
'cause I, I, it's all love.
40:40
Oh, absolutely.
40:41
I like to go, go to the events.
40:43
I can't do 'em all, but I like to hang out with the guys and you know, I hang
40:47
the magazine, I just can't go on hand.
40:48
The magazines get my conversation, oh, you know, this guy in
40:51
here and they're looking at.
40:52
Ask me about this guy and then ask me about at our warehouse
40:54
or classic auto mall, whatever.
40:56
Oh, you gotta go up there.
40:57
That's a day trip to go to classic Auto Mall.
40:59
It's free.
41:00
You go, you walk around.
41:01
I mean, it's awesome.
41:02
We gotta get you to come out to one of the track events
41:04
and start talking about track.
41:05
I want the track rats.
41:07
Well, I wanna get, I got a Corvette I want, I'd like to try tracking
41:10
the grand sport I like to take out.
41:11
Oh, absolutely.
41:12
You know, I'd like to get involved with that and get part of that scene as well.
41:15
So I think in getting my own experience.
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Will help to get more of that into the book.
41:19
People have different interests, obviously, but I'm trying to cover that.
41:22
Ga whole gambit from showing to racing and everything in between
41:25
could just be guys getting together.
41:27
I meet at a restaurant, they just have, they call it bench racing.
41:29
Absolutely.
41:29
That's where the ultimate one hang out talk, you know, share experiences.
41:33
Have a good time.
41:33
That's fine too.
41:34
It's a conversation piece.
41:35
Really nothing else.
41:36
So, Rob, you know, this has been really awesome.
41:39
So I wanna give you the opportunity to do any shout outs, any promotions, anything
41:44
else you wanna share for our listeners that are tuning in and listening to
41:46
the story of CCG for the first time.
41:48
Well, thank you.
41:49
So obviously I wanna give a shout to my wife, Joanne, who's
41:52
been very supportive of, of this whole thing, this whole venture.
41:55
A secondly, a gentleman named Chuck McDonald, who's been like a mentor to me.
41:59
Maybe eventually we'll connect him through to you guys.
42:01
He is a very well known car enthusiast and collector in the DC metro area.
42:07
Does his own weekly newsletter, and then Jack Dewar, who's a good friend of
42:10
mine, I've known for probably 30 years.
42:13
You know, been a car guy since I've known.
42:15
He's the guy who helped me do some major work on my cars that I couldn't do do by
42:19
myself, and really was very supportive of me from the beginning with this.
42:22
It was a great concept.
42:23
A couple of sponsors.
42:24
Of course, I thank all the sponsors.
42:26
Mike with Universal Muscle Cars, stored and Edge from Classic Auto Mall,
42:30
and of course all the advertisers.
42:31
And again, everybody who looks at this magazine and, and they go, go to our
42:35
website and they see somebody in here.
42:37
Please mention if you found 'em in Collect the Car Guide 'cause it really helps
42:40
support the business and help support what we're trying to do to help the enthusiast.
42:43
That's really the bottom line to help the enthusiast.
42:45
And thank you enthusiast.
42:46
Thank you very much.
42:47
Everyone who reads this and subscribes to our newsletter, please tell all your
42:51
friends that to come online, join our newsletter and join the club, so to speak.
42:54
That's right.
42:55
Hey Rob, I'm gonna give you a hot take.
42:56
Racers love stickers.
42:58
So if there's ever an opportunity for us to slap a CCG sticker on the many
43:03
race cars that there are here at GTM, let us know 'cause we'll gladly do it.
43:06
Thank you for that tip.
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In fact, uh, I dunno if it's a strict bumper sticker or.
43:10
Something special that they're looking at, but however you want it to look, Rob,
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that's a huge tip.
43:17
I appreciate it.
43:17
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43:21
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43:24
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43:40
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43:48
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43:49
So Rob, this has been absolutely awesome.
43:51
I appreciate you coming on here and sharing the CCG story, getting
43:54
people enthusiastic about what you have to offer, how this is gonna
43:59
become the gospel for car enthusiast.
44:01
So again, I can't thank you enough for coming on the show.
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Absolutely.
44:04
Love to be on the show.
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Had a good time talking to you, Eric.
44:06
It's been kind.
44:07
Well, we're friends already.
44:08
I appreciate that.
44:08
Thank you.
44:09
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44:10
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44:11
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