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Chuck in the Morning 9/23 H3: Mirror Mirror & ABC's of the Mariners · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: Something was brought up in our six o'clock hour yesterday
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  Speaker 1: that I thought was a very layered presentation of good
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  Speaker 1: like sports talk radio type fodder. The kind of conversation
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  Speaker 1: you'd have at the sports bar. But by the time
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  Speaker 1: it hit social media, it was simplified to a question. Should.
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  Speaker 1: Should John Schneider trade Drew Locke when Sam Darnold returns
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  Speaker 1: and people lost their.
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  Speaker 2: Ever living minds? And so that's why.
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  Speaker 1: We're doing Mirror Mirror on this very topic here today.
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  Speaker 1: So we can kind of set the record straight for
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  Speaker 1: all of those that only saw the tweet and didn't
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  Speaker 1: hear the conversation where I never said I would trade
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  Speaker 1: Drew Locke. What the conversation was about was following the
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  Speaker 1: Jackson Dart injury on Monday night, it seemed like a
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  Speaker 1: good time to have the conversation about whether or not
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  Speaker 1: teams by the trading deadline.
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  Speaker 2: Would be desperate.
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  Speaker 1: If they lost a starting quarterback due to injury and
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  Speaker 1: still wanted to make it to the Super Bowl, would
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  Speaker 1: they come calling on Drew Locke? And what price for
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  Speaker 1: Drew Locke should or would John Schneider consider? in giving
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  Speaker 1: up his very valuable backup who's going to leave at
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  Speaker 1: the end of the year via free agency and fits
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  Speaker 1: under every single team salary cap out there so does
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  Speaker 1: that define it absolutely is that fair yes does that
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  Speaker 1: sound like an idiot talking that sounds like that's a
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  Speaker 1: logical conversation to have fun sports conversation to have.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah okay and i don't think like that that That's
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  Speaker 2: not crazy.
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  Speaker 3: No. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: People reacting that it is some just crazy thought that
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  Speaker 4: you could have is just insane to me.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Well, let's get to your reaction. Let's go
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  Speaker 1: to the talkback first.
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  Speaker 2: Travis, what do we got?
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  Speaker 3: My simple answer to the Drew Locke question is, what
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  Speaker 3: do you have in the cupboard? Because Milrow will not
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  Speaker 3: cut it.
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  Speaker 2: Do not trade Drew Locke. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: I know there could be a pick. But if Sam
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  Speaker 3: goes down, then you have Milrow. Is that worth it?
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  Speaker 2: I love the take. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a great way to get it started,
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  Speaker 1: and I appreciate that. And I think it's a good point. And, again,
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  Speaker 1: the question posed to you that you'll be reacting to
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  Speaker 1: in Mirror Mirror is, I'm one of those people that
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  Speaker 1: absolutely no way do I trade him under any circumstances,
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  Speaker 1: and here's why. So that's what we presented in our
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  Speaker 1: previous segment, and that's what that talkback caller was referring to.
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  Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't trust Jalen Millero either. But I gave a.
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  Speaker 1: Scenario where Kyler Murray goes down, which is not unthinkable.
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  Speaker 1: The Minnesota Vikings might look for an improved quarterback, considering
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  Speaker 1: how good their defense looks at this stage. And what
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  Speaker 1: if you got Carson Wentz back? Just to cover that space,
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  Speaker 1: not saying Carson Wentz is better than Drew Locke or
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  Speaker 1: that you can win a Super Bowl with Carson Wentz
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  Speaker 1: where maybe you could with Drew Locke the way he's
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  Speaker 1: played the last couple of weeks. But let's face it,
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  Speaker 1: most NFL teams, if their starting quarterback goes down, they're done.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, do you even know who Josh Allen's backup
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  Speaker 1: quarterback is?
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  Speaker 2: I do not, actually. Kyle Allen. The bills are cooked
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  Speaker 2: if Josh Allen goes down.
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  Speaker 5: Um.
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  Speaker 1: The Baltimore Ravens have Tyler Huntley, who's been barely hanging on.
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  Speaker 1: The Detroit Lions, Josh Dobbs. And he's the only other
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  Speaker 1: guy in the quarterback room. They don't even have a
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  Speaker 1: third guy. It's been a long time since NFL teams
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  Speaker 1: have been worried about how great their quarterback room is.
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  Speaker 1: Because I think most teams have just accepted if our
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  Speaker 1: starter goes down, we're done.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe the Seahawks are the exception.
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  Speaker 1: And that's where I give 100% credence to that take
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  Speaker 1: and to that caller.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe Drew Locke could get it done.
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  Speaker 1: With this defense and Jackson Smith and Jigba, maybe he
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  Speaker 1: is the exception, but there aren't a lot.
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  Speaker 2: He might be the exception.
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  Speaker 1: I think there might not be another guy in the
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  Speaker 1: entire National Football League that takes over for a starter
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  Speaker 1: and can win a Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So maybe that's the argument.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe that's the great argument of Drew Locke can win
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  Speaker 1: us a Super Bowl if Sam goes down and no
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  Speaker 1: one else in the National Football League can say that
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  Speaker 1: about their backups.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to present my second argument or the second
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  Speaker 4: argument that I found because it's related to this. And
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  Speaker 4: then we can kind of discuss a little bit further.
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  Speaker 2: Sure. Here's what it says.
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  Speaker 4: Even if you get an offer that helps you down
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  Speaker 4: the road, second or third round pick, maybe I still
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  Speaker 4: don't want to do anything that would make the 20.
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  Speaker 4: Even if it's just the backup quarterback, I want to
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  Speaker 4: go back to back. And anything that lowers those chances
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  Speaker 4: for this year specifically would be hard to swallow.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Great argument.
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  Speaker 1: That's a great argument. And I think Drew Locke does.
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  Speaker 1: And I think teams have played recklessly with their backup quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. I mean, let's face it.
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  Speaker 1: We went 10 years without caring in the Russell.
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  Speaker 2: Well, maybe not 10 years because he had Tavares. Gino
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  Speaker 2: at the tail end.
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  Speaker 1: But there was a stretch where we carried two quarterbacks
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  Speaker 1: on the roster and the backup to Russell was a
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  Speaker 1: nothing burger.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And that was in a championship window. I think teams
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  Speaker 1: have been too reckless with the thought of their quarterback
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  Speaker 1: going down and our season's pretty much over. But I
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  Speaker 1: guess my point in that previous conversation was they are
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  Speaker 1: still doing it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They are still saying, hey, that's an area that we'll
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  Speaker 1: sacrifice because we're probably done anyway.
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  Speaker 2: But maybe Drew Locke is the exception.
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  Speaker 1: But what is really funny about this, you just pointed
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  Speaker 1: this out yesterday. Two weeks ago, I don't think anyone
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  Speaker 1: would have said Drew Locke could be a starter for
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  Speaker 1: one other team in the National Football League, including ours.
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  Speaker 2: Two weeks ago. Maybe Hugh Millen would have. But I
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  Speaker 2: don't know how many.
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  Speaker 1: People would have said, Drew Locke's better than two quarterbacks
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  Speaker 1: that are starting right now in the National Football League,
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  Speaker 1: or I would invest in Drew. You just rattled off
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  Speaker 1: six guys yesterday. In two weeks' time, we went from
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  Speaker 1: this isn't on the radar to he could start for
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  Speaker 1: six teams in the National Football League, and that number
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  Speaker 1: could be growing.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and my response to this argument is– You can
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  Speaker 4: still make a trade that makes the 2026 Seattle Seahawks better.
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  Speaker 4: You don't have to get a pick. You can get
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  Speaker 4: a player. You can get a defensive player. You can
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  Speaker 4: get an offensive player. And that helps your team this year.
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  Speaker 4: That would bring more value back. Yes, you would be
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  Speaker 4: giving up maybe a little bit in the backup quarterback room, but.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe you add a receiver.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe you add a tight end.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe you.
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  Speaker 4: Beef up the secondary a little bit. I don't know
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  Speaker 4: what that looks like. There is a world where you
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  Speaker 4: make this 2026 version of the Seahawks better even to
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  Speaker 4: give yourself a better chance to go back-to-back.
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  Speaker 1: And again, I'm going to keep reminding you. Miramir is
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  Speaker 1: going to keep reminding you of this. We're not saying
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  Speaker 1: trade him. The conversation was in reaction to Jackson Dart's injury.
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  Speaker 1: Is there a scenario by trading deadline that if teams
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  Speaker 1: came calling, that lost their QB1 and yet don't want
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  Speaker 1: to abandon everything they worked for to try to win
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  Speaker 1: a championship, if they came desperately knocking at John Schneider's door,
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  Speaker 1: is there a package that you would trade Drew Locke for?
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  Speaker 1: That is the conversation. That was the conversation yesterday, and
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  Speaker 1: it got out of control on social media. And so
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  Speaker 1: now we're going to use this Mirror Mirror exercise to
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  Speaker 1: hear your arguments. And I only want to hear from
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  Speaker 1: people who are saying, under no circumstances do I trade
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  Speaker 1: Drew Locke, and here's why.
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  Speaker 2: Travis?
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  Speaker 1: Hey, Chuck.
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  Speaker 5: Really enjoyed all the other shows on KJR and other media.
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  Speaker 5: Not understanding... The gist of the trading through lock question yesterday.
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  Speaker 5: Very entertaining. I would consider trading him now. Call it Cleveland.
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  Speaker 5: They like to do dumb stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Call him.
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  Speaker 5: Hey, how about Denzel Boston?
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  Speaker 2: Jared Verse.
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  Speaker 5: You'll see what the Indians will do. You never know.
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  Speaker 2: I love that. That does verify that all the shows
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  Speaker 2: did it then. And all the show, such great teammates.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't listen to the segment.
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  Speaker 1: They just responded to the text and probably called Anders
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  Speaker 1: and I idiots.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, real great teammates there. But you know what?
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  Speaker 1: I actually did think about who might be candidates. And
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  Speaker 1: I don't think the Cleveland Browns would be because whoever
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  Speaker 1: invests in him, number one, they're going to need an
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  Speaker 1: immediate quarterback need.
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  Speaker 2: They're going to need to be a team that thinks,
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  Speaker 2: We could go far.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And they also.
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  Speaker 1: Have to be a team that already isn't invested in
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  Speaker 1: someone else in the future. Because if you are going
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  Speaker 1: to give that big trade, if you're going to give
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  Speaker 1: away a second-round pick, theoretically, you're not going to want
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  Speaker 1: to do it for a rental. So it has to
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  Speaker 1: be somebody that satisfies all three of those things. I
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  Speaker 1: want somebody that improves our quarterback room right now, can
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  Speaker 1: keep us competitive and maybe even Super Bowl competitive. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: and can be a piece for our future if I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to give up a second-round pick because we could
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  Speaker 1: use him for the.
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  Speaker 2: Rest of the year.
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  Speaker 1: Franchise tag him if we have to, if we can't
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  Speaker 1: work out a long-term deal.
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  Speaker 2: And I found three. Minnesota, which I've already mentioned.
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  Speaker 3: Pittsburgh.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they need something. Because they have an old team. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And Aaron Rodgers is not playing well. If he gets hurt,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, is that a question that a 100-year-old quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: Could get hurt? I think Drew Locke's better than him
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  Speaker 2: right now. Yeah, and he's better.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And certainly could be the future. Houston Texans. Hmm. C.J.
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  Speaker 1: Stroud, who they're not committing to, they had a chance
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  Speaker 1: to commit to him. They're still not convinced.
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  Speaker 2: If C.J.
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  Speaker 1: Stroud went down before the deadline with that defense and
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  Speaker 1: that bolstered.
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  Speaker 2: Running game, would they come a knocking? Would they come
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  Speaker 2: a calling?
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  Speaker 1: Because what happens every time a starting quarterback goes down?
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  Speaker 1: Every talk show host in America, local, national, intergalactic, they
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  Speaker 1: will spend time the very next day.
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  Speaker 2: Who's all available? Who can we trade for? Who can
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  Speaker 2: we get?
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  Speaker 1: And they're going to point to Seattle because Sam Darnold's clicking.
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  Speaker 2: Seahawks look great.
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  Speaker 1: Would they trade their backup quarterback for a future need
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  Speaker 1: or perhaps something else? Those conversations would occur. So that's
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  Speaker 1: the only reason that I brought.
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  Speaker 2: It up yesterday. Do we have another, Travis? Or do
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  Speaker 2: you have a text? No more talkbacks. Oh, that's it?
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Were they all idiots? Were they all idiot texts? I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to hold my tongue. Uh, fair enough.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, here's kind of a different angle, similar like thought process,
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  Speaker 4: but a different way to think about it. Um, could
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  Speaker 4: that F up the locker room chemistry? I don't want
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  Speaker 4: to risk it. We don't have a ton of holes
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  Speaker 4: in this roster. So one of the things that Mike
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  Speaker 4: McDonald has built recently is an incredible culture and a
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  Speaker 4: guy that like drew lock that knows his role and
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  Speaker 4: everyone loves is Could spruce things up a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: What's your thought about that?
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  Speaker 1: I think this culture is so great that nothing would
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  Speaker 1: harm it. I mean, when we signed Terry and Arnold,
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  Speaker 1: I said the same thing. Like, I'm not worried that
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  Speaker 1: Terry and Arnold is going to come in here.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care.
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  Speaker 1: What he did in the past or how he might
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  Speaker 1: or might not conduct himself in the locker room. I
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  Speaker 1: think this culture is so strong it would survive forever.
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  Speaker 1: It would survive Antonio Brown, for goodness sake. It would survive, certainly,
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  Speaker 1: subtracting Drew Locke. I mean, they're going to have to
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  Speaker 1: next year. He's not going to be back next year.
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  Speaker 1: He's played well enough. He's pulled a Malik Willis right
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  Speaker 1: before our eyes. He's played terrific football for two weeks
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  Speaker 1: and has proven, I can win football games at this
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  Speaker 1: level and play really well. He's going to get a
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  Speaker 1: big offer next. this off season, uh, to be a
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  Speaker 1: starting quarterback somewhere. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And for those who are saying, I want to keep
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  Speaker 4: him as our backup quarterback, he's, he's not, he's, he's
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  Speaker 4: going to be, he wants to be a starter. He
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  Speaker 4: even said that before this year.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I've, I heard that argument yesterday as well,
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  Speaker 1: that we got to resign him.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's going to happen. All right.
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  Speaker 1: We have to give Sam money. We have to get
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  Speaker 1: Byron Murphy money next year. We already decided that a
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  Speaker 1: guy like Ken Walker, we can't even afford, uh, Going forward,
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  Speaker 1: because we got to figure out who we're going to pay.
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  Speaker 1: If Drew Locke's going to make starter money next year
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  Speaker 1: on the free agent market, what are we going to
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  Speaker 1: spend 50 million, 40 million dollars on him to be
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  Speaker 1: our backup? If he hits the free agent market, that's
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  Speaker 1: not going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: Not in a million years.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So, I mean, maybe there's an idea that. People still
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  Speaker 1: aren't convinced in Sam. And we keep him around in
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  Speaker 1: case we want to keep Drew instead of Sam.
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  Speaker 2: There's a couple of those on the text line. I
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  Speaker 2: just don't feel that way. I don't either.
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  Speaker 1: I think Sam Darnold is the better quarterback. And Drew
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  Speaker 1: Locks had plenty of time to prove prior to this
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  Speaker 1: year that he should be the guy somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: And how many.
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  Speaker 1: Offers did he have for starting quarterback jobs in the
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  Speaker 1: last three years?
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  Speaker 3: None.
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  Speaker 2: None. There's none for backups. But he's going to get
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  Speaker 2: one now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He is definitely going to get one now, which is
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  Speaker 2: the entire point of the exercise. Do you have another?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I'll kind of just throw this myself out there. Say, hypothetically,
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  Speaker 4: Sam Darnold was out for the rest of this year.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think.
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  Speaker 4: The Seahawks could win a Super Bowl with Drew Locke
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  Speaker 4: as their starting quarterback for the rest of this year.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I have a promo airing right now that's been
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  Speaker 1: airing for four weeks because we've been without a producer.
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  Speaker 1: And that promo suggests no. I don't think that they can.
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  Speaker 1: As I said in the promo, they are a playoff
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  Speaker 1: team with him. And this was after week one. This
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  Speaker 1: was the Thursday after the win over the Patriots.
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  Speaker 2: We'll make the playoffs with Drew Locke. and i think
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  Speaker 2: that you can.
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  Speaker 1: Go far but can you be a champion with him
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  Speaker 1: i didn't think so then and i don't think so
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  Speaker 1: now yeah i think the league will adjust and catch
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  Speaker 1: up to him in various ways i think we need
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  Speaker 1: sam i mean it's gonna be some tough competition this
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  Speaker 1: year and i think we need sam in order to
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  Speaker 1: win a super bowl so that's how i feel but
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  Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that's no shot against drew lock no
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  Speaker 1: i think he's terrific terrific backup and he's played terrific
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  Speaker 1: football the last couple of weeks and i'm happy for
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  Speaker 1: him i'm proud of him and i don't even know
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  Speaker 1: the guy personally I'm proud of him that he's learned everything.
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  Speaker 1: And now he looks like he set himself for a course.
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  Speaker 1: He's started to change opinions of him across the National
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  Speaker 1: Football League. But with that, how much are you going
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  Speaker 1: to value a guy that is designated.
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  Speaker 2: To be your backup?
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  Speaker 1: If teams come a knocking at your door and are
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  Speaker 1: offering pieces for the future in order for them, for
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  Speaker 1: him to help them now when he's not helping you
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  Speaker 1: like this is major league baseball. If you had two
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  Speaker 1: catchers and I don't want to hear the DH argument,
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  Speaker 1: keep that out of it. You can't put true lock
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  Speaker 1: at DH. If you had two catchers, what do you
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  Speaker 1: do when you have a chance that you trade one
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  Speaker 1: of them? If he's not getting any playing time and
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  Speaker 1: he's got trade value, that trade value could be more
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  Speaker 1: valuable to your organization than somebody sitting on the sidelines
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  Speaker 1: with a clipboard just in case our starting quarterback goes down.
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  Speaker 2: And as I said.
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  Speaker 1: Earlier in the segment, there are a lot of teams
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  Speaker 1: operating that way in the National Football League with the
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  Speaker 1: plan of winning a Super Bowl this year, and yet...
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  Speaker 1: But acknowledging if we lose our starting quarterback, we're done.
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  Speaker 4: So along those lines of thinking. I wouldn't value a
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  Speaker 4: backup quarterback as much as a lot of other people
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  Speaker 4: would because you'd be effed anyway. Isn't the goal to
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  Speaker 4: go win a Super Bowl? You want to give yourself
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  Speaker 4: the best chance to go win a Super Bowl. This
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  Speaker 4: year's job number one. And then trying to set yourself
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  Speaker 4: up for years to come, obviously, would be the second 2A,
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  Speaker 4: job 1A, I should say. So I would go with
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: the line of thinking of, look, I love Drew Locke.
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: I think he brings value to the team and keeping
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: us afloat while Sam Donald is injured is absolutely huge.
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: And it's a big reason why we are where we
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: are right now. But if Sam Donald, for whatever reason,
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: and the whole thought process is, I don't want to
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: get rid of Drew Locke just in case Sam Donald
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: gets injured again. If Sam Donald goes down, I don't
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: think you can win a Super Bowl with Drew Locke
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: as your quarterback. So, What value is that really bringing?
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: It's just to get to the playoffs? Like Drew Locke
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: versus Jalen Milrow?
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: I would say the best argument out there is that
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: we might have the guy, based on what we've seen
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: the last two weeks, with how great this defense is,
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: how well he knows our system, having an elite wide
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: receiver that can't be guarded.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: Maybe we do have the.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: One backup quarterback in the National Football League that could
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: guide you to a Super Bowl championship. I think that's
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: the best argument out there. And again, I'm not arguing
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: for Drew Locke to be traded. I like the idea
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: of having Sam and Darnold for the rest of the season.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Let's see what happens the rest of the way. The
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: whole point of the conversation was... After watching Jackson Dart
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: go down, after watching Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels, and Jackson
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Dart go down in 24 hours, 36 hours, it got
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: me thinking, like, if somebody later this season of huge
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: import went down for a team that has designated its entire–
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: formula toward winning this year. And if they came knocking,
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: is there a price that John would consider trading away
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Drew Locke and the comfort of that backup quarterback for
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: either a high draft pick in the future? I don't know,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: a player, maybe a combination of the two. Is that
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: something that John would consider? And where would that price
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: have to get to? As I said, even with Greg Bell,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Greg Bell's immediate reaction to us was absolutely not. And
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: then I said, well, what if it's a second round pick? Well,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: it won't be a second round pick. That in and
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: of itself is telling. That is him saying, no, they're
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: not going to do that, which is an argument that
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: I will buy. Him also saying, nobody's going to give
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: up a second round pick for Drew Locke. That is
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: also an argument that I would buy. But the fact
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: that you are acknowledging nobody's giving up a second round
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: pick for him says that there is a price. There
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: is somewhere on that line that you would be enticed.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: And if a team got desperate enough and offered that price,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: would John have to pull the trigger on it? And
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: I'll give you one scenario to close this out. I
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: brought this up a couple times. Is it not makes
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: a little bit of sense? I'm just going to walk
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: you through a scenario that Kyler Murray can't stay healthy.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: And seven weeks from now, the Minnesota Vikings are in
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: first place. The defense that they're displaying under Brian Flores
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: is leading them, but they know we can't win a
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: championship with the quarterback room that we have right now.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: We also are not invested in anyone in our room
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: for the future.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Murray's on a one-year deal.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Wentz is on a one-year deal, and they've already told J.J. McCarthy.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Go pound sand.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: They try to get rid of him is it crazy
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: I mean honestly is it crazy to think that if
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: they got to the trading deadline and felt man we're
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: improved quarterback away from being in this Our head coach
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: is a quarterback guru, or at least that's how he's
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: sold to us in America. The Seahawks have a backup
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: quarterback burning a hole in their pocket. We go trade
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: for Drew Locke and get aggressive with it and then
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: bring him to Minnesota, re-sign him long-term. He's not only
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: going to improve our quarterback room now, We're not invested
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: in anyone in the future.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: We invest in him. We're not going to make the
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: same Sam Darnold mistake.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: We extend him.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: And if we can't extend him, we slap a franchise
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: tag on him. So at least we have another year
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: to evaluate him. To me, that's not absurd.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: No.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: And if they came with a really high price through
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: the admission of all the critics out there on social
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: media last night, if they came with a really offer,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: you can't refuse godfather type offer for Drew Locke.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: John would at least have to consider it. Yeah. And
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: that was the entire point of the conversation. Yeah, absolutely. And,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: you know, there's many examples where your backup comes in
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: and helps you out. But like and.
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: There's obviously like maybe there is maybe the offer doesn't
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: even get to that point. But you at least have
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: to consider it. Find a find a place where you
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: could have a little meat in the middle sort of thing.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: That's all it. That's all it was.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: If you can buy that as a plausible scenario, then
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: you're on board with me.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's not like I'm saying, what if aliens descended?
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: And they created their own NFL franchise. And they held
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: all human beings hostage until they were given the 33rd team.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: And the only rule that Roger Goodell placed is you
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: have to have a human at quarterback. If I'm creating
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: that scenario, okay. Then spread your nastiness. But to me,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: that is a plausible scenario. Again, not to do it.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: But if that Viking scenario unfolded, which I think is plausible,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: and they came knocking on John's door with an aggressive offer,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: there is something that he would have to consider.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: But I am with everybody else.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: We'll just keep our little happy family together. Sam starter,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Drew back up. Let's go win a Super Bowl, okay?
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: That's ideally how I want it. There were two points
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: out there that I thought weren't made and should have
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: been made. Number one, how rare in-season trades are of players,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: especially quarterbacks. I didn't realize how rare. That's an actually
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: great argument. There just aren't a lot of examples of it.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: And so I thought maybe I would find a lot
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: of examples of it. And they are few and far between.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: So that's a good argument against.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: And then.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: The whole comp pick that why would you trade Drew,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: give up your better quarterback for a lesser backup quarterback
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: and a second round pick when you're probably going to
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: get a fourth round pick? Anyway, with comp pick, because
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: you probably are going to get a comp pick, especially
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: if he makes a lot of money because that's kind
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: of the way comp picks work. My argument against that
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: would be, number one, you don't know exactly how the
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: comp pick formula, what it's going to spit out.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: No one does.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: And then number two, there's a reason why you can
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: trade three fourth rounders for a second rounder.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Because that's how the difference in the value between the
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: two but i think those are two excellent arguments that
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: didn't come up and i wanted to hit some other
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: things on the.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: Text yeah i think uh there's a couple of good
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: texts that we got in kind of late um i
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: think the conversation starts with this one um i think
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: quality depth especially at qb is far more important than
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: what we can get in return what do you say.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: To that Um, well, you wouldn't probably get much in
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: return for that quarterback to help you. I don't know
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: if you can pull off a player return. Like I said,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: I think you could get a backup quarterback in return.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: That's might not be as good. But then again, you
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: may not ever have to use your backup quarterback. It
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: would be more of taking advantage of I got a
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: guy with high trade value who I'm not really if
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: the world goes according to script. going to use for
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: the rest of the season. And he's going to walk
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: and leave me next year. Anyway, that would be more
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: of a future pick. So, but I do agree a
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: hundred percent, I think historically and especially recent history, definitely
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: recent history. Teams don't value quarterback depth nearly as much
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: as they should. So I agree with that argument. I
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: think that's a very good argument. And if you think
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: you have the one backup quarterback in the National Football
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: League that if your starter goes down might still be
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: able to win you a Super Bowl, by.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: All means, keep him. Keep his ass.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: And that's the only question is how much you value
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: Drew Locke like that's really all we're saying what would
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: be the point in which you want in return you
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: just said that you don't think the Hawks could win
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: it all with Drew Locke but you think some other
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: team will.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: I don't but I don't care about the other team
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: to me this is we have two fire extinguishers so.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: You really only need one.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: In a perfect world yeah you could have two fires
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: they could come back to back But the reason why
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Minnesota would want that, because if Kyler Murray went down,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: they would have no fire extinguisher.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: They don't have one.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: So somebody that doesn't have a fire extinguisher is going
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: to value your backup fire extinguisher more than you are.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Does that make sense?
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: A couple people disagreeing with the notion that the Seahawks
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: can win a Super Bowl with Drew Locke. Comparing him
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: to Trent Dilfer, if he's better than him, the answer
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: is yes, we can definitely win a Super Bowl with Locke.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: The way he's played the last two weeks, yes. The
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: way he played for his career prior to the last
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: two weeks, no. So if this is the new Drew,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: then yes. Drew Locke is. Drew Locke is. Drew Locke
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: is a happy place.
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: A little Shrek reference for you in case anybody missed it.
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: And then a couple different takes on the conversation as
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: a whole. One, I do like this combo, and you
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: guys are doing a good job of clearly articulating the premise.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Well done.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: It's like a soft breeze on a warm summer day.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: And then the other one, I love you guys, but
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: trying to backpedal and reclaim your stance on Drew Locke
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: is funny.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: You guys are terribly wrong. Okay, that's fine.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: If you feel that way, but don't accuse me of
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: backpedaling because that is absolutely false.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we've had the same take. It was the exact
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: same conversation.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Maybe I've dug in a little bit more because of
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: what we endured the last 24 hours on. Don't get
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: me wrong. I like true luck. I'd like to keep
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: true luck. I don't know if I hammered that point
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: home as much yesterday and our six o'clock hours. I
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: am today. Um, so maybe, maybe I'm digging in a
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: little bit more to clarify that I'm perfectly happy. Sam
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Darnold drew lock rest of the season.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Let's do it.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: We're our, our quarterback room is sounder than yours kind
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: of approach to the rest of the season, but in
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: no way is it a backpedal. It's the exact same conversation,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: exact same message. And the exact same agenda is what
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: I started the show with yesterday.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: And that was just where is in that world?
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Where do you get to the point where John would
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: consider moving his backup quarterback? That's all the conversation was yesterday.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: And that's all the conversation was today.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: And maybe that's more than anyone would offer. And you
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: don't trade him. That's probably the scenario.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: That's probably what it is.
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: They probably value Drew Locke more than anyone is willing
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: to offer.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: You're right. And then nothing happens. But they do have
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: a price. Exactly. At some point. And I doubt anybody
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: would reach that price.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: So I don't think it's anything to worry about.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: No.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: But anyway, ma'am, good exercise.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Good job, everybody. Well done. Thanks, Mirror Mirror. You really
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: are the fairest of them all. ABC's of the M's
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: are next.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: TS4 Toronto, another team that just, I mean, the American
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: League Championship Series, Toronto versus Seattle and both of them.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, were just as crushingly disappointing this year. I'd
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: throw the Mets in there for other reasons because they
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: spent a.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Fortune on their team.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: But it's not like Toronto shied away from spending money
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: this offseason. But, I mean, it wasn't just the Mariners.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: The Mariners are a titanic underachiever. Most disappointing season, certainly
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: in my 11 years, maybe in all their 50 years.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: But Toronto's got to be right there with them. I
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: wonder if John Schneider and Alex Anthopoulos are taking the
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: same amount of heat as.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: our manager and general manager?
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: I would say, I mean, they have a high demanding
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: fan base for sure in Toronto, but the thing that makes,
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: I think more than anything else, the Mariner season as
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: disappointing as it is, is because the wind or the,
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: the door was so wide open. The AL East is
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: still a very good division. I think the raise, I mean,
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: they already clinched it last night. They're going to be
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: close to a hundred win team, like maybe upper nineties
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: win team. So it's not like, any sort of 500
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: record would have won you the division like it was
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: here so i think that's the main difference but you're
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: right i think in terms of expectations and falling short
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: of those toronto definitely falls in the same category.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Uh you was for unimportance um i i don't like
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: you know what the argument that bothers me the most
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: that angry mariner fans use is they those that actually
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: act like they watch the worst organization in baseball. I mean–
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Five straight winning seasons. I know it's not championship baseball.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: I know it's not good enough. But you've actually, for
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: five consecutive years, watched your team in the race all
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: the way to the last weekend of the season for
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: five straight years. And a couple times you punched the ticket.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: We wish that it would have been all five or
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: at least four of those five. And obviously you want
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: to get to the World Series and you're never going
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: to be satisfied until you do.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: But it's been.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: over five seasons since this team has played unimportant baseball
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: and things in the last week of the year. And
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: so we're going to face that here this week. And
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: you're going to have JP Crawford playing out the string,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: probably his last few games.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: And he's been a part of all five of those teams.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: And Rick Riz is going to be announcing two unimportant
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: games for his last games as a Mariner broadcaster.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: And that's just sad.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: And by no means is, Playing important games late in
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: the year. Good enough goal.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right.
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: That's that's not what we're saying. But you have to
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: put things in perspective. I realize baseball is very regional.
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: You watch more than almost any other sport. You watch
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: just your team compared to every other game. Um, so
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: it's hard to really compare and feel, but, but there
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: are teams that have played entire seasons worth of non-important
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: baseball for the last five, six, seven years.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: We're not hanging a banner for important games. I get that.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: It's not nowhere near good enough. It's just worth noting. Yes, absolutely.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: JP Crawford has gone and it, gone five years without
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: ever having played an unimportant game, a meaningless game. And
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: in his last game as a Mariner, most likely it's
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: going to be meaningless.
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: And I think you're kind of seeing that effect on
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: the players who almost this entire core has, has at
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: least gone until the last series with having a shot
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: to get into the playoffs. And now with basically everything
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: all but done, and it has been really for the
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: last week, you can see that there's just a lack of.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, for sure. Lack of juice. And this is what
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: it used to feel like all the time.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: When you have Gilbert versus Ulola and you lose 7-0,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: there's a problem.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: But again, by no means we're saying like, oh, you know,
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: we're doing you a favor by keeping you in the
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: playoff hunt until the end of the year, so be
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: happy with what you have. No, it's not good enough.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: But just... Put it in perspective. That's all we're saying. No,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: all I'm saying is J.P. Crawford is not going to
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: play an important.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Game for the first time in six years. And it's
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: going to be his last game. And Rick Riz is
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: going to have to call games that don't matter down
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: the stretch. V is for very nice. A very nice
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: touch from Matty Beneers last night. The Kraken threw out
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: the first pitches. And they made them, obviously, custom-made jerseys.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: And so, Berkley Catton had his jersey. And Mackie Samaskevich
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: had his jersey. Matty Beneers said, no, no, no, no.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: I want a Cal Raleigh jersey.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: That's awesome.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: I loved it. I love it, too.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I loved it.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: He was just... I love seeing when.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Seattle athletes and any athletes in a town support the
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: other athletes in town.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: And there has been a little bit of that. I
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: think you saw during the Mariners playoff run last year,
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: they went to a bunch of cracking games, right?
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Um, they went to a Seahawks game.
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  Speaker 4: I remember too, like a bunch of them, like there's
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: this almost Seattle sports athlete fraternity that I love, uh,
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: kind of the, the group mentality. And you know, it's,
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: it's cool to see.
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  Speaker 2: I agree with you.
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  Speaker 1: Um, and then finally, I want to squeeze one more in,
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  Speaker 1: even though I know we're a little late, so ruined
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: that being on time thing. Um, I don't know if
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: you even realize this. I saw this just this morning
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: and I saw it just by accident. W is for Wu.
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  Speaker 2: Did you know.
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  Speaker 1: That Brian Wu's F war is like 3.9 this year?
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  Speaker 1: That he was a four-war player this year?
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  Speaker 2: As a pitcher. As a pitcher. Yeah. But right, didn't
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: we think that Brian Wu had a bad year? And
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: he probably did.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That tells you how good he is.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to find it here now. Now, of course,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: I can't find it on the fly. But I'm pretty
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: sure that's what it was. I was stunned by that.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: He had a four-war season? A guy that couldn't pitch
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: on the road for almost the entire year? Um, but
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: fan graphs recognized Brian Wu's season as being a lot
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: better than what we realized.
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  Speaker 4: He was, according to F F war fan graphs, he
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: was the second best player by a significant margin on
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: the Mariners. Number one's Randy Rosarena with 5.2, uh, at
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: this point. And Brian was number two with 3.9.
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  Speaker 2: You're right.
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  Speaker 4: The next best is 2.6 with Logan Gilbert and Julio Rodriguez.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, 3.9, that makes you basically like ACE material.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: For a team. Yeah. I would never have guessed that.
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  Speaker 2: And he still has another start. All right, coming up next,
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: Cam Cleland will join us. Sports Radio 93.3 KJRFM.