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#1740 The Netballer & The Basketballer - Renae & Joe Ingles · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: I get at welcomes another installment of the U project.
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  Speaker 1: It's Fatty Harps. It's where I am anyway, it's the
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  Speaker 1: nineteenth of December. We're sliding into Christmas like a piste
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  Speaker 1: bloke at a bar, just stumbling our way towards the
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  Speaker 1: fucking finish line of twenty twenty four. And you've spoken
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  Speaker 1: of the lady that we're about to speak to before
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  Speaker 1: you've heard her at all, or you've heard her, I
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  Speaker 1: should say a couple of times, young Renee Ingles, Hi,
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  Speaker 1: how are you hi?
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  Speaker 2: Well?
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  Speaker 3: Actually like that analogy metaphor that you just gave out
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  Speaker 3: stumbling into a bar, I think I'm actually like crawling, like.
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  Speaker 2: To the finish line of what Christmas looks like.
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  Speaker 1: Just crawling on the sticky carpet that's had way too
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  Speaker 1: much beer and spew on it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right, exactly that.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, there's a visual that no one needs at all.
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  Speaker 1: You on your hands in these with your body torn jeans,
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  Speaker 1: just sticking to the carpet. Now, I see he brought
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  Speaker 1: a friend. I thought I just asked you, but you
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  Speaker 1: brought a friend along? Who's your friend?
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  Speaker 2: I did this?
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  Speaker 3: This is a man that has many, many titles. I
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  Speaker 3: could tell you that he has played in the NBA
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  Speaker 3: for eleven years, I could tell you that he's an
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  Speaker 3: Australian basketball legend, but I could also tell you what
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  Speaker 3: his most important title is, and that is dad to
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  Speaker 3: my three beautiful kids, hero in our household, and my husband,
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  Speaker 3: Joe Ingles is here to join us. And let me
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  Speaker 3: just say, I know you did ask me to come
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  Speaker 3: on this podcast, but as many would know from the
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  Speaker 3: last podcast, Joe and I are doing again long distance,
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  Speaker 3: which more of our relationship has been.
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  Speaker 2: Long distance than actually together.
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  Speaker 3: So I thought, well, this is an hour that I
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  Speaker 3: don't get to talk to Joe, So why doesn't Joe
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  Speaker 3: just come in and have a chat in the conversation
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  Speaker 3: and we spend this hour together.
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  Speaker 1: So well, I'm glad that we could be the conduit
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  Speaker 1: between you two. I mean all be allbit just us
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  Speaker 1: three and another twenty thousand or so people.
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  Speaker 4: OK, I mate, how are you wonderful? Thanks for having
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  Speaker 4: me on. It's nice to see my wife today the
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  Speaker 4: first time. It's crazy having been a part and this
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  Speaker 4: is the first time we've done it for a little
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  Speaker 4: while now, but obviously with three kids and both pretty
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  Speaker 4: busy schedules, and yeah, we do what we can, but
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  Speaker 4: get to see my wife and I got to see you,
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  Speaker 4: so it's a win win.
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  Speaker 1: Buck and hell, and look at what you're looking at?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, have you ever seen anything like this? Have
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  Speaker 1: you ever seen anything this good? At sixty one?
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  Speaker 5: Mate? What you're looking at?
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  Speaker 4: I feel like I'm living the bachelor lifet ole here,
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  Speaker 4: so I don't shave anymore. I literally sit around in
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  Speaker 4: a cold house because I don't even bother turning the
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  Speaker 4: heating on anymore because Renee and the kids aren't here.
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  Speaker 4: So who got me Christmas tree up from? When the
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  Speaker 4: kids hasn't moved, has it had the lights on once?
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  Speaker 5: But life's good.
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  Speaker 1: You just do what you need to. I mean, when
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  Speaker 1: I saw you the turn, that idea of a vagrant
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  Speaker 1: did spring to mind, but like a well paid vagrant. Nonetheless,
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  Speaker 1: you know, ever like.
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  Speaker 2: Fit into the stereotype of.
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  Speaker 1: Hey Joe, what are the pros and cons? I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: there's more cons than pros, But what are the pros
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  Speaker 1: and cons of living apart a fair bit of the.
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  Speaker 5: Time, Probably not too many pros.
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  Speaker 4: Obviously, we did it a lot early on when we
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  Speaker 4: first kind of got together, and then even even early
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  Speaker 4: on in being engaged and stuff, and I think at
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  Speaker 4: that point it's probably as much as it still sucks,
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  Speaker 4: it's a bit easier because there's no kids involved. There's
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  Speaker 4: no anything like that. So we would obviously miss hanging
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  Speaker 4: out with each other, but it was just me and Renette.
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  Speaker 4: It wasn't anyone else involved. Now with the kids, this
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  Speaker 4: is really the first time doing this without any of
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  Speaker 4: the kids. And obviously Renee has got them pretty well,
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  Speaker 4: not pretty much, he does have them full time, and
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  Speaker 4: we've made it work as good as possible of obviously
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  Speaker 4: me getting home when I can, depending on the schedule,
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  Speaker 4: and then obviously Renee and the kids coming here whenever
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  Speaker 4: school and that schedule works out. So I mean, it sucks.
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  Speaker 4: It's always the hardest. Like they were here for nine
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  Speaker 4: days or eight days over Thanksgiving, which was awesome, and
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  Speaker 4: the day after they leave, I come back and I'm
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  Speaker 4: used to like a bit of a crazy household for
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  Speaker 4: those few days.
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  Speaker 5: And then I get back and it's.
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  Speaker 4: Quiet, and I've got like a very humble four bedroom
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  Speaker 4: apartment that we're in, but it's I literally when they're
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  Speaker 4: not here, I use the bedroom and the sofa. I
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  Speaker 4: just go between them both. I don't go in the kitchen,
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  Speaker 4: I don't go in the laundry.
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  Speaker 5: So I definitely miss the cooking and cleaning and all
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  Speaker 5: the wonderful things.
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  Speaker 1: My well, fucking hell, hey everyone, that was the NBA superstar.
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  Speaker 1: He said that, not me. I don't endorse at all.
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  Speaker 5: Ever me and Rene.
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  Speaker 4: His joke. Renee is a very organized, clothed washer, Like
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  Speaker 4: the washing machine's going a lot of the time, and
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  Speaker 4: I like, I could go weeks without washing because I
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  Speaker 4: can just where I've got enough stuff. And so I mean,
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  Speaker 4: if I showed you the laundry, but Renee would vomit
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  Speaker 4: and you would probably laugh. But it's so chocol block full.
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  Speaker 4: Because I've been like two weeks, I'm like, I really
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  Speaker 4: don't need I just don't need to do it.
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  Speaker 5: So it sucks not being with them.
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  Speaker 4: But I think Renee and I both know it's it's
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  Speaker 4: always it's the short term.
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  Speaker 5: It's not going to be forever.
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  Speaker 4: And myself as a as an athlete, still trying to
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  Speaker 4: max out my last bit of my career, and then
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  Speaker 4: after that they've got me full time, which you might
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  Speaker 4: be kicking me out the door.
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  Speaker 1: At that point you might be hoping you go back
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  Speaker 1: and find another gig I on the OCD scale, if
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  Speaker 1: you're at ten on the OCD scale, would you say
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  Speaker 1: you're OCD or more just regular perfectionist?
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  Speaker 2: Regular perfectionist?
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  Speaker 3: And I would say the improvement in me in this
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  Speaker 3: area in the last three to five years is enormous.
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  Speaker 3: I have when I say it dropped my standards for me, Like, obviously,
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  Speaker 3: I think I've been doing a lot of self work
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  Speaker 3: and looking at all of those things and all of
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  Speaker 3: the things that were I was putting so much energy
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  Speaker 3: in and I've dialed all that back because it's just
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  Speaker 3: a waste of time and stuff that doesn't matter, and
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  Speaker 3: truly it takes me away from things that do matter. However,
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  Speaker 3: I would say my standards are probably higher than your
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  Speaker 3: average person, but that is more of a perfectionist me.
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  Speaker 1: And so like with a lot of people who are
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  Speaker 1: quite It's funny because I'm quite obsessive and quite a perfectionist.
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  Speaker 1: With some things, I'm you and with other things I'm Joe.
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  Speaker 1: I do not give I'm like him. I could wear
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  Speaker 1: the same T shirt for a week.
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  Speaker 5: I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't, but I could, right, I could turn the
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  Speaker 1: same pair of jocks inside out and back to front
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  Speaker 1: for I don't know ever, I don't, but like there's
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  Speaker 1: some things that when it comes to work things or
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  Speaker 1: producing content or doing a presentation in front of a group,
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  Speaker 1: or doing my job, like I'm very pedantic, but I
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  Speaker 1: think with other things not so much. Is there an
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  Speaker 1: underlying fear or anxiety for you around things not being
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  Speaker 1: good enough or organized enough or perfect enough.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's always come down to me of that
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  Speaker 3: feeling of not being good enough. And I think particularly
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  Speaker 3: when it came to like, I've always been a very safe,
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  Speaker 3: but very fearful person of what if or what if
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  Speaker 3: the judgment, what if this happens, or what if they
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  Speaker 3: don't like me in this and so much of what
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  Speaker 3: other people say or think or do are out of
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  Speaker 3: my control. Whereas how clean my house is, how much
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  Speaker 3: washing I have, how I perform in all of those
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  Speaker 3: dumb areas that really at the end of the day
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  Speaker 3: don't matter, are things that I for a really long
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  Speaker 3: time put a lot of control on, And particularly transitioning
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  Speaker 3: into the mum life and not having my career and
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  Speaker 3: standards in that aspect, I felt like there was nothing
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  Speaker 3: in my day that made me feel like I was
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  Speaker 3: achieving anything.
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  Speaker 2: So being this like.
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  Speaker 3: Superwoman housewife at home with you know, three kids or
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  Speaker 3: at the time the twins and Jacob's diagnosis, but having
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  Speaker 3: everything looking like it was perfect made me feel like
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  Speaker 3: I was achieving something or ticking those boxes. So it
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  Speaker 3: probably comes down to that fear of judgment and being liked. Now,
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  Speaker 3: the mental load on me, it just I can't be bothered,
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  Speaker 3: So I would just say now, I'm just far better
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  Speaker 3: at delegating that space or asking for help when I
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  Speaker 3: need to so that I'm not an angry wreck at
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  Speaker 3: the end of the day and my family don't get
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  Speaker 3: the better version of me. That's what the difference is. Like,
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  Speaker 3: the mental load of thinking that I should or have
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  Speaker 3: to do all of those things to be perfect just
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  Speaker 3: makes no sense at the end of the day because
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  Speaker 3: it was just taking away from me and my energy.
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  Speaker 3: So it was a combination of wanting to change and
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  Speaker 3: a combination of burning out. So having to change when
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  Speaker 3: it came to all of those perfectionist standards that I
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  Speaker 3: had in and around my career and home life and
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  Speaker 3: relationships and perception that I felt like everybody had of me.
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  Speaker 1: That's interesting, Like a lot of You know, I've worked
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  Speaker 1: with lots of athletes, and now I'm interested in athletes
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  Speaker 1: who when they step away from their sport or their
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  Speaker 1: professional career, there's like this identity crisis. They don't know
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  Speaker 1: who they are anymore because that's like what they do
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  Speaker 1: and who they are is the same thing. And now
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  Speaker 1: I don't do that anymore. So who the fuck am
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  Speaker 1: I now?
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  Speaker 5: Was?
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  Speaker 1: Did that happen for you?
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  Speaker 5: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's still happening.
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  Speaker 3: Like, I think that's a constant conversation in this house
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  Speaker 3: of who am I?
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  Speaker 2: Without that? And honestly, my default is still, well, let's.
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  Speaker 3: Just get super fit again, super jacked, and get back
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  Speaker 3: on the netpicicorn, go do what everyone says that you
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  Speaker 3: can't do not too old. For like, that's still the
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  Speaker 3: default because part of my identity is still tied up
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  Speaker 3: in the athlete and the achiever and all of those things.
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  Speaker 2: So that's a constant thing.
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  Speaker 3: And also for me, I think the identity shift came
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  Speaker 3: a little bit after I retired, because I retired and
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  Speaker 3: then COVID hit, So it was almost like a year
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  Speaker 3: to two of like not being like sport wasn't the
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  Speaker 3: same netbull happened, But it was a bubble, and I
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  Speaker 3: was like, oh, I wouldn't have been in the bubble anyway,
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  Speaker 3: because I've got three kids and husband country Like there
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  Speaker 3: was almost these excuses or like a band aid put
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  Speaker 3: on what retirement meant for me? And then when the
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  Speaker 3: world opened up again and sport came back and experience
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  Speaker 3: came back, and traveling came back, and I was able
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  Speaker 3: to get into Australia and all of those things and
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  Speaker 3: put my feet on the soil in Australia, I went, oh,
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  Speaker 3: my gosh, I do miss this thing. What is the void?
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  Speaker 3: Where is what does that look and feel like? So
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  Speaker 3: still going through all of that process, John, when I
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  Speaker 3: talk about this, like who I am away from the
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  Speaker 3: athlete in the gym and how I tie myself up
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  Speaker 3: into that work, it's constant.
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  Speaker 1: I need to be careful how I asked the next question.
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  Speaker 1: But I was thinking before about you two, and I
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  Speaker 1: was thinking like, obviously, Joe's one of the best Australian basketballers,
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  Speaker 1: albeit looking like a vagrant at the moment, but nonetheless
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  Speaker 1: one of Australia's best players of all time. All that stuff, right,
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  Speaker 1: which is that goes without saying, But think about you
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  Speaker 1: you are. Maybe when you were at your peak, you're
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  Speaker 1: probably one of the best two or three netballers in
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  Speaker 1: the world, arguably do you know what I mean? Arguably
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  Speaker 1: the best netballer in the world for a minute or two.
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  Speaker 1: There more than a minute or two, do you is
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  Speaker 1: there any kind of I don't know, Joe, what do
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  Speaker 1: you think about that? Like, obviously you're a champion. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not undermining anything that you've done. It's fucking incredible. But
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  Speaker 1: do you think about how amazing your wife was an
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  Speaker 1: as an athlete in a sport that just doesn't get
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  Speaker 1: the accolades or financial rewards compared to what you guys do.
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  Speaker 5: Oh? Absolutely, And like I mean even now, like we
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  Speaker 5: were over in.
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  Speaker 4: The States and people ask obviously they can look at
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  Speaker 4: Renee until she played some sport. We try and explain
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  Speaker 4: that ball, which obviously doesn't go down too well over here.
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  Speaker 4: But no, I'm like incredibly proud. It's to would I
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  Speaker 4: guess now be married to someone. But when we first
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  Speaker 4: met and kind of just two professional athletes and figuring
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  Speaker 4: out along the way, and obviously I knew a little
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  Speaker 4: bit about her, but then understanding like why and how
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  Speaker 4: she was so good and I mean she went into
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  Speaker 4: a little bit with the OCD and perfectionist of like
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  Speaker 4: she was not going to let anyone be stronger, fitter, quicker,
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  Speaker 4: a better catch a thrower, like whatever it took, she
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  Speaker 4: was going to be the best at that, which is
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  Speaker 4: why she was a big, big reason and change of
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  Speaker 4: like little girls wanting to be wing defense and not
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  Speaker 4: throwing that bib away.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I still still now, like when the question.
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  Speaker 4: Comes up of like who inspires you, who's your motivation?
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  Speaker 4: Like it's always obviously the kids are always a part
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  Speaker 4: of that. But seeing Renee at a professional level was
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  Speaker 4: like scary impressive because me and her are completely off
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  Speaker 4: in those senses, Like I'm a lot more laid back
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  Speaker 4: and just kind of let it come to me and
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  Speaker 4: I do what I need to do. And I've always
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  Speaker 4: been a professional and tick the boxes I need to
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  Speaker 4: tick to. I mean I've played nineteen years professionally now.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, it was always like, yeah, I always had
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  Speaker 4: a thing in my head of like if I could
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  Speaker 4: be like twenty percent of what Renee did, who knows
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  Speaker 4: what else I could have been able to achieve. So yeah,
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  Speaker 4: super impressiveent obviously now like Renee said, like we speak
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  Speaker 4: daily and trying to figure out like since she's retired,
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  Speaker 4: it's difficult, And I've probably made the joke of like thinking,
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  Speaker 4: I know exactly what I want to do when I'm
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  Speaker 4: post career, but I'm sure I'll go through it at
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  Speaker 4: some point when I don't have basketball like I do now,
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  Speaker 4: and I'll have a pretty experienced person in that field
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  Speaker 4: to talk with about it. But no, it's really cool
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  Speaker 4: and obviously like super proud to have her as my
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  Speaker 4: wife and mother of our children. And yeah, everything she's
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  Speaker 4: doing off the court now is getting up there with
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  Speaker 4: just as impressive. But she does have more metals than me,
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  Speaker 4: so she beats me and all that she does.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't want to bring that up, but good humility
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  Speaker 1: man has the body name. How are you holding up?
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  Speaker 1: I asked you that last time. I think you told
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  Speaker 1: me you were kind of getting back on track, and
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  Speaker 1: I see a couple of Insta shots of you in
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  Speaker 1: the gym being somewhat jacked house things.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, how do I even say? How I am in
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  Speaker 3: that space? Fitness is a constant like battle, but a
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  Speaker 3: constant energy taker and energy giver when it comes to
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  Speaker 3: me at the moment, people I think would look at
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  Speaker 3: me and say, yeah, but you're fit, and I'm like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I am, like I'm fit and I'm strong.
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  Speaker 2: But I think at the moment, I'm like, I'm starting.
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  Speaker 3: To get that fireback of like what's next in the
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  Speaker 3: fitness space for me?
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  Speaker 2: I actually.
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  Speaker 3: Like, I'm like, do I run another marathon for charity
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  Speaker 3: and do that again for Culture City?
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  Speaker 2: But I'm not sure that's good for our marriage.
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  Speaker 3: Do I sign up for an iron Man or do
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  Speaker 3: something like that to raise money for charity? But I
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  Speaker 3: think all of those things are small band aids for
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  Speaker 3: still trying to fill that void. But I love being fit.
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  Speaker 3: I love feeling good. It gives me a journal and
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  Speaker 3: it gives me energy. I love working out.
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  Speaker 5: I sort of that is part of my Sunday night
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  Speaker 5: bball league I have.
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  Speaker 3: I've started tennis over here Crego and I love that.
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  Speaker 3: And then in January a basketball league started up that
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  Speaker 3: I got asked to come on a team, so I'm
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  Speaker 3: really excited for that. So feeling those voids in middleways,
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  Speaker 3: I still monthly get some state league netball teams from
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  Speaker 3: Melbourne ask if I want to come back and have
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  Speaker 3: a run around next year. But I'm sure that would
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  Speaker 3: break my body into pieces, but.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I'm not suggesting you
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  Speaker 1: should do it, but there's a big gap between your
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  Speaker 1: chronological and biological age. I would think, how old are
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  Speaker 1: you officially?
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  Speaker 2: I'm thirty eight?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so you your body ain't thirty eight though,
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  Speaker 1: Like you don't have.
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  Speaker 5: Thirty PM games?
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, Well that's a fucker ten.
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  Speaker 4: Thirty in warrigal Or where I don't even know where
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  Speaker 4: they are anymore.
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  Speaker 5: What do you want to down there thirty on a Wednesday?
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  Speaker 2: Who knows? Who knows? I don't know. I'm like fit,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm a different fit.
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  Speaker 3: I'm strong at the moment, not necessary cardiovascular endurance fit.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: But you could pioneer the first netball league in the States.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: They do have netball leagues over here.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: It's still like very very amateur, and they're introducing it
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: to college sports and stuff. I have been in talks
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: and stuff with Netball America and how I can help
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: and coach and different aspects of that. But at the moment,
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: especially when my husband lives in another state, it's a
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: little bit hard logistically to go and sort of build
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: that from scratch.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: But you know, I mean, Craig Oh and.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: I at the moment are in so many conversations, like
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: I feel like my head's all over the place in
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: terms of what's next because we're just trying to like
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: it's really hard for us and where we're at right
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: now to have a vision of what our future looks
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: like in terms of where that is, Like, we can
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: argue that it's best for the kids here in their
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: schools and they're engaged and happy.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: Where's Joe's next career piece?
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: Do we need to be with family and stuff in Australia.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: There's just so many angles that we can argue of
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: what our future can and should look like that in
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: a space now of like having to have those really serious,
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: in depth conversations that are really difficult because we don't
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: know what that future.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: Piece looks like.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: And part of that is that, like do I invest
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: in that ball over here and start building that out?
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: So I feel like I've got a bit more of
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: a career identity in that space to like, where's Joe's
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: next job going to be in terms of playing? Does
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: he want to coach? Does he want to go into
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: front office? Does he want to take a break do
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: we try, like as just so many variables that we
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: have to weigh up in our lives and look at
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: at the moment that I'm having to get used to
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: uncertainty and what that looks like. And I don't love
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: that uncomfortable feeling.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Guess what, baby cakes, Life is uncertain Life is uncomfortable,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: and life gives no fucks about your emotions or your fear.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: So batten down the hatchet. She know that you know that,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: you know. It's like how adaptable can you be? And
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: for how long? That's pretty much like I reckon. The
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: number one question for life survival is prettym how well
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: can you solve problems?
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: And how how comfortable can you be? How good can
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: you be in the discomfort? Like how comfortable can you
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: be in that? You know, that equanimity, the calm in
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: the chaos.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: What I'm realizing, though, is like Joe and I are
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: like experts at actually being deep in the discomfort of
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: the change, the transition and what all of those things are.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: I'm not sitting in the discomfort of the uncertainty of
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: what that is. It's not actually be a mess that
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: scares me. It's not knowing it's not knowing.
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I mean the thing is.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: But not knowing as fine, not knowing as part of
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: the human experience. Like there's so much shit that you
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: will never know. And it's okay, Like you don't like
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: I think that idea that you need clarity and certainty
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: about the next one two five years and you need
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: it by fucking Friday night. It's like, just doesn't really happen.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: It doesn't happen.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: I know, And I think for me is what is
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: tying into that lack of identity piece?
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Is you know what Joe's thinking. He's thinking, thanks harp,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: That's what he's thinking. Absolutely, is He's like, thank fuck,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: where's this bloke?
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Bean?
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: I need to get him on speed dial? You know
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: we're doing this each night, right, That's that is all right?
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: Let me go back to something completely. Let me give
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: Renee an emotional break on the couch. How's your body mate?
• 20:26
  Speaker 6: How are you holding out?
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: I've been I've been very lucky throughout my career.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: I have just recently done my first calf, which is
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: an experience at thirty seven years old. Now, prior to that,
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: i'd felt really good the last couple of years. I
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: did my ACL three years ago now, so building back
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: from that and getting that kind of confidence back to
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: play again, and yeah, realizing that always seen people do
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: a CL's achilles. One of my best mates did their achilles.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: I can seeing the rehab of it and probably not
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: fully believing that it takes a couple of years to
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: get back to like feeling yourself and then doing it
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: myself and realizing exactly what those those other athletes have
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: gone through, the last kind of like six or twelve months,
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: I've really started to feel good again, and yeah, my
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: body feels good, and probably having that year off of
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: ACL probably.
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: Did good for me.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: I was definitely, like mentally and physically a little bit
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: drained before that, And.
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: Who knows if I would still be playing if I
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: if I didn't do that. But I feel good. I
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: still really enjoy.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: Like the NBA and the guys on my team, and
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: obviously being in the league and competing and doing all
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: those things. And I do know, my mate, my days.
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: Are counting down. I'm not unaware of that, And.
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: I mean it even went into the decision of coming
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: here of like being on a on a really good group.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: We grew a really good team with a great group
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: of guys, a great coaching staff. Obviously, the only kind
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: of negative is being away from from Renee and the kids.
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: But yeah, just trying to maximize this kind of last
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: little stin of my career out and before figuring out
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: what Renee is going through right now.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's now. This is a weird question, especially
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: for an elite athlete on an interview. But so my
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: audience is not your general sporting audience. It's about sixty
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: five percent female and thirty five percent guys. For people
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: who have not much of a clue, could you just
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: tell them what a normal NBA season looks like in
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: terms of how long is the season, how often do
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: you play? Because I don't think people would grasp the
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: chaos of what it is to be you.
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it.
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: I think probably a lot of professionals was the NBA
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: with our salaries being out there and everything.
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: That comes with it.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: Everybody loves to talk about the salaries and the nice
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: car and we charter charter playing, charter flights. We have
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: our own flight, our own plane to fly to games
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: and stuff, which is all great, don't get me wrong,
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: But so we usually start we've got to be in
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: the kind of city that we're playing for at about August,
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: end of August, start of September. Season starts about start
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: to middle of October, so we have about a month
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: of pre season, so through middle of October basically start
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: of April, we play eighty two games, so we and
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: we have one week off in February as a bit
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: of an all Star break. So we we average probably
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: four sometimes five games a week. And I think, what
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: what the like? What people don't understand? Which is the
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: difficult part. Again not complaining because I'm very, very lucky
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: in what we do. But we will play a game
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: wherever that might might be, and then we'll fly straight
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: after the game, get to either the next city or
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: home at two, three, four am, depending on where we're going.
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: Practice the next day at eleven, ten or eleven. I
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: might have a day off, depending whatever, but then play again.
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: So you're basically playing every second game every second day
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: for basically that whole time.
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: There's a few little windows.
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: Where you get two or three days, and it's not,
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: like I said, it's not hard. We stay in beautiful hotels,
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: we get our own plane, We obviously get a lot
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: of a lot of perks, but it's the obviously the
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: physical fatigue, but also the mental fatigue of like getting
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: in at three or four am, and obviously with Renee,
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: like I would get up as often as I could
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: to help help with the kids or get them to
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: school and go to practice then and then after practice
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: go help with We've got three kids at three different schools,
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: so help with picking the kids up and then entertaining
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: the kids and then heading off to a game and
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: then and obviously just kind of repeating that cycle. So
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: it is busy. Like I said, again, it's not like
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: I love it. It's what I've done since I was seventeen.
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: I don't know any different. I wouldn't know what to
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: do if I didn't have a Yeah, the other part
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: of it is like we literally live since I've been seventeen,
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: and we live off a text message the day before
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: of what the schedule is.
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a rough idea of like you.
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: Can look on the internet at the games, but like
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: the daily schedule we do. Every day we get a
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: text from from one of the group admin people and
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: it says this is practice, this is your individual times,
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: and that's what you do.
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: So it's in terms of forward planning for.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: Someone like Renee is not an ideal what life to
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: be part of the NBA, But like I said, is
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: what I'm used to. It's it is what it is,
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: and with my personality in the way I am, I
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: find it kind of reasonably easy in terms of that
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: because I kind of just go with the flow anyway.
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: So it's busy, but like I said, I love I
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: wouldn't I wouldn't trade it for any job in the world.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: It's amazing.
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: Nay.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Do you think that you and Joe part of why
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: you get on great? I'm assuming you get on great.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: That was very presumptuous you seem too, but this could
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: all be a fucking act. Who knows, that could be
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: the world's best charade. Do you think that part of
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: why you two get on well is because you're, like,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: you're really fucking different, Like you two are so different,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: like like chalk and cheese different. But you know that
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: is probably a good thing, right.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: Oh, And we knew that since day one, the day
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: we met, we were completely different, and I think that
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: has always been one of the things that kept us
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: really strong.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: I think it's like at times hard.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: To navigate obviously, because we come at different situations or
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: problem solving in really different ways. But I've said since
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: the day that we met that I was always running
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: so fast and never never stopping. My brain wouldn't stop,
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: my activity wouldn't stop, always had to be busy and
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: full schedule. And Joe's sort of at the other end
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: of the spectrum of that, and it's been a really
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: nice balance for me to come down and calm down
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: a little bit and find a balance. And it like, Joe,
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: don't get me wrong, I mean this in the best
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: way and love your pieces, but like raising his high
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: performance standards and like where that sort of stuff can
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: come up for him. We've been able to meet in
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: the middle and find a really nice balance.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: And don't get me wrong, we drive.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: Each other nuts because of our differences, but it's also
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: one of our strengths, I think. And there's always something
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: surprising because we're so different, so we laugh a lot,
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: and I think that's what is the most important usually
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: at each other because.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Of our differences.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: But yeah, it's sort of something since day one that
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: we've embraced, I think. And then one of the biggest
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: things that we've had in common is obviously our love
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: for our athletic careers and always been able to find
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: synergy in that and what our careers meant individually to ourselves,
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: and understanding the sacrifices that we needed to make individually
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: to achieve all of that we were setting our sights
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: on achieving, but then wanting that for the other person
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: as well. And I truly think the lifestyle that we
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: have over here, it's really difficult to get used to,
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: and it's not a lifestyle that a lot of people
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: understand until they're actually in it. But I think that
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: is made easier for us as a couple because I
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: was an athlete before and do understand the sacrifice and
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: stuff that he needs to make in that space. Wouldn't
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: necessarily do all of the same things in the way
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: he does or doesn't prepare. But I've learned a lot
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: over my career in how I helped my game because
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: of what he was able to show me and teach
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: me in all of those things. And what I will say, Joe,
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: I'm not like throwing you under the bus, but I
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: am a little bit is that.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: I feel like she is.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: We're talking like he is the most laid back, relaxed
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: person don't get me wrong, but there are things that
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: he's also very particular.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: On in terms of like.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: Outfits and T shirts and shoes and where the trackie
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: pants like fit into the socks and like your pregame
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: routine and when your coffee is and like you're relaxed
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: and you're flexible, but you also like things the way
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: you like things too.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Hey, don't fuck with his rituals, all right, that's that's are.
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: Any of them?
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Are any of those rituals superstitions? No?
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: Well, the only thing I've really used to do that
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: I thought was like a supersit. But then I don't
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: think like my biggest thing. Like Rene, We're so different
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: in how we approached it, I think, and for me
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: it was like it was all it was all I
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: knew of how to approach it, like and then I
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: meet Renee and it's like, oh shit, there's probably a
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: few things I can do a.
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: Little bit better. And I think vice versa.
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: She was like, Oh, I probably don't need to do
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: a B and C every single minute of every day
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: to be okay for the game on one game a
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: week on a Saturday. Yeah, Like I've got a few
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: Like when when I mean this is different this year
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: because I'm here by myself. But like I would get
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: to the arena early. That was probably my main one
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: of the main like the chaos of the day in
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: the morning and whatever. I would get to the arena
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: a bit early, and that's when and I would like
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: shower and get organized, and that was kind of like
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: the reset of like, all right, now, I know Renee
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: and the kids are good, They've.
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: Had dinner or whatever. Now I've showered, and now I
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: can kind of get ready and focus for the game.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm very boring with like what Renee said
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: with like I've got this one. I've been sponsored by
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: Nike my whole career, so I've always just had Nike
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: clothes for free. I've got this one other brand that
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: I wear clothing wise, and I don't venture out of that,
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: and I wear like I could have the same, but
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: I've got three hundred.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: We're kindred spirits, you know. I went to Southland the
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: other day, which is a shopping center. Here, knit Rene
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: is going to roll her fucking eyes because she's a
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: goddamn goddess.
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: I went to Southland. I only wear black T shirts.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: We spent all our time at Southland. We have a
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: house in.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Bomoris, steady On and I got there and I bought
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: eight black T shirts. It took me twelve minutes in
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: and out on the motorbike home. Total trip twenty six minutes.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Fucking eight shirts. You're welcome now, I just rotate those.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: I don't give people go you wear the same thing
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: all the time. I'm like, yes, I do, and it
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter to me. That's the last thing I need
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: to spend energy on is what you fucking think of
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: my T shirt.
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: And the funny thing for us in what we do
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: is like the last maybe five six years has turned
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: into this like fashion parade walking into the NBA arena
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: people folk.
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: There's actually awards.
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: That this like that I don't evenmember what it's called now,
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: but like people get awards for who is like best
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: dressed throughout the year, And I'm like, I could wear
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: the same Nike like Wolves sweatsuit every single day because
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: for me, it's like like tomorrow night, we got a game.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: It's on TNT, so we're on National TV tomorrow, big
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: game against the Knicks, who we had a big trade
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: right before the season started with the Knicks, so like
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: our players coming back, the two guys we got are
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: playing them for.
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: The first time.
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: It's this big hype, like our guys are going to
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: come some of the outfits tomorrow. Make sure you follow
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: whoever posts them or whatever, because it'll be great. But
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: my thing is like I'm going to leave here at
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: whatever six o'clock tomorrow night to go to the stadium,
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: go do my thing, blah blah blah, do it, and
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: then I'm going to come right back to this seat
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: here at about midnight, Like I don't understand. And then
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: when we're on the road, you're getting on a plane anyway,
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: you're sitting on a bus in the arena, taking all
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: these fancy closer and putting them back on to sit
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: on the plane for two hours to then go to
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: the hotel and check back in. So for me, I've
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: always been I'm like you, I don't care about what
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: I wear, what i'd like. My teammates laugh at me
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: all the time because I wear and being a minute,
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: So I just wear the same like hoodie and be
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: I wear. I've worn this every day for about three
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: weeks and I couldn't care less.
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: But I'm warm, mate.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: It's all about function and comfort.
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: That that's what Renee and I will go out for dinner.
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: She will put on she always like she likes her
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: fashion a little bit. And you look show throw the
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: world on the camera your wardrobe.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Can I just tell you everybody, we got to look.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: We got to look from missus Ingles then like that
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: are you fucking with me?
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: Look so good? I will wear if we go to dinner?
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: What do I wear to dinner? If we go to dinner, all.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: The same thing they were to a basketball game.
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: You never changed, Like black jeans.
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: If I have to get really fancy and a black
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: T shirt, or if I'm going like to lunch or whatever,
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: if it's black tracks and a black or maybe white
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: T shirt.
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: If I'm getting a little crazy.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: Crazy for me is jeans. Like let's just remember our
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: first date and why you fell in love with me.
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I saw the money from the netballs. I got
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: to get this.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: That was right.
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: He just went with thebes under the under the driver's
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god, I get to drive
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: the Vixen's car.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Remember car c like bright.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember I remember it all. I can imagine
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: him seeing you across the netty court and just going
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: katching look at that.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: Must be milking it in Actually no, you know what
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: every night and baked fish because she can't.
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: The first thing I what I mean, obviously knew she
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: was a very attractive woman or younger woman back then,
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: but when she rocked up, because she'd already she canned
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: me about five times on like the first date, coffee,
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: whatever we're going to do. And so the last time
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: we did it, I'd gone out the night before and
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: like wasn't expect because she I'd always wake up the
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: next morning to a text of like, oh, sorry I
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: can't come.
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: I've got blah.
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: Blah blah blah to day or I'm like whatever, fucking
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: I guess I'll never see this girl. And then she
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: rocked up the first time and she had like a
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: sweatsuit on trackie's and a hoodie, and I was like, fuck,
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: I'm in here, this is a fellow.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, those first those first five cancelations, were they bullshit
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: or legit?
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: What's the go with that? Tell us?
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: Let's just.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: At that time of you know what, I was like
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: back then, Crago We'd go out every weekend Netbull. We'd
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: play on a Friday night for the Melbourne Phoenix and
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Vixen's or like you're playing on Sunday, so you kind
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: of had a night every time to go out and basketball.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: When much the same Joe was playing in Australia.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: I'd see him in the clubs, you know, And in
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: my mind I was like, dating in elite athletes not
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: for me. I'm like, I'm a relationship list. I'm always
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: in relationships. The elite athlete life is just not for me.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: I don't trust a lot of people. And then ditched
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: him five times and then met him and said, oh God,
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: this guy, I actually like him.
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: I agree Rene. His mother, Margaret had a bit of
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: a hand in that.
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: She as much as we've gone blows over the years
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: about little things, she was.
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: The one that made Renee go on the first date.
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: So shout out to little old Margie out in Phillip Island.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Renee reminds me of Renee back in the day. You
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: probably know this, but shouted t shirt that said give
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: us a hug and a baseball cap that said but
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: fuck off. Though it's like a little bit of her
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: was a little bit bring it in.
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, a Red Food Brouf shirt this year.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Love, Oh, that's that's hilarious. I know, how do you
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: think you're going to go at basketball?
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm going to like get MVP.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you have you played, Like, I'm sure you've
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: played a bit, but have you ever played in a
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: team for a season or something.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: I played until I was sixteen and was definitely not
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: good compared to netball, Like I was a netballer, not
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: a basketballer. And then actually after I had the twins
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: in Salt Lake City, I played in a league in
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: Salt Lake City out of this random little church with
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: this random group who a couple of them have Actually
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: we've stayed really close as friends. So I was a
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: bit wobbly on my feet then, but I actually knew
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: in my mind that I was going to be coming
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: back to netball, so I thought playing basketball might help
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: me get my feet.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Going a little bit back on the court. And yeah, I'm.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: Really really excited to hit the basketball court again. I've
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: got no basketball skill, but I'm athletics, so I think
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: I can rebound the ball and I think I'm going
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: to steal it and pass to someone else to dribble
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: and shoot.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: That's kind of how.
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: Oby she's going to be the best. Have the best
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: shoes in the game one percent undred percent.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Hey, so I'm going to ask you both. I'm going
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: to ask you both a question and you're not allowed
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: to answer it straight away because I want to ask
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: you both the same question and I don't want you
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: to confer. So from zero percent to one hundred percent?
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: What are the chances that in five years you'll be
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: living in Australia. I both want you to get so
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: zero percent you know you won't be living in Australia
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: at all. One hundred percent? Absolutely, what's the percentage? I
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: want you each to think of it and then don't
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: fucking change mind when the other one says the answer. Rene,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: We're going to start with you in five years time.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: What's the percentage chance you're going to be going.
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: To write mine down? So you guys know that I'm
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: not lying.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you write it down? You write it down? Renee,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: do you have pen and paper on?
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: No?
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: I can. Do you want me to say.
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: I've written down?
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Write it down? Okay? And when let's do this, which
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: is terrible for an audio podcast, but I'll tell everybody
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: the results. We might put a snap on socials, okay
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: on three on three?
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: Ready?
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: One both both of you.
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: Now mine's on my phones. I might not be as cool,
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: but okay, reree to one.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Oh hang on, so eighty percent and does that say
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: thirty seven percent?
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: Thirty seven? Wow?
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: So missus Ingles thinks there's an eighty percent chance that
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: the family will be in Australia in five years. Mister Ingles, Fuck,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: this is this is going to be a scoop. This
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: will be in the Herald Sun in Melbourne tomorrow.
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: Do you yeah?
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: This could be everyone? This could like if the marriage
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: is on the rocks in six weeks, you know where
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: it started.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Five years, we're going to know who wears the pants.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: That's what we're going to know.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Nate, where does your Okay, let's let's unpack this not
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: for too long, because I really don't want to start
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: some kind of domestic fucking implosion.
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: It's actually funny because we've been talking about this a
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: lot the last like a few months.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: So right, right, I've got my I've got my reasons
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: for that number.
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: Right, I'm sure.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: Let's let's hear your case. Let's hear your case, Joe
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: lads first, all right, Nate, what do you think there's
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: an eight out of ten chance you'll be back here.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: The fact that we're talking about the option of it
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: so much right now makes me believe, given that that
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: conversation is happening, that there's something under their bubbling. And
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: I think in five years we're going to have a
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: lot more perspective or understanding or awareness of what Joe's post.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Career looks like.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: And I think we could really happily be here for
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: another one, two, three, four, five years. But I just
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: think the fact that this the conversations are bubbling that
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: in five years, the age of all of our kids
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: and the resiliency that they'll have then compared to even
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: now as young and after a few couple of moves,
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: I just think, yeah, in five years, every like so
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: much can change in five years. I think about how
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: much older my parents. My parents will be seventy in
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: five years, So what does their help look.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Our family?
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: Oh she got you there, big fella, she got you there.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: That's like an ace. He's played the emotional joker card boom.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: So I if you had said, like the question was
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: phrase like, would we end up in Australia, I think
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: we'll we will end up probably living in Australia at
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: some point for the rest of our lives, like five years,
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: ten years, like whatever they did will I would be
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: very confident to say we would live like things would
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: have to be dramatically amazing over here for us to
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: stay here like forever. So I do think we will
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: live in Australia at some point, at whatever age that is,
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: for the rest of our lives. But I don't think
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: it will be in fire like Renee said, Like we've
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: we've talked about it a lot.
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: We go back and forth. We one day we're like America,
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: one day we're Australia.
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'm at like, I technically agree with Rene's
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: eighty percent, but I think I just think it'll be
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: It'll be some point down like somewhere down the.
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: Track actually.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: As well, because part of the conversations Craigo that Joe
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: and I have a lot is.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: That move is made, it's.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: Final, like we're not going to be moving country to
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: country backwards and forwards if it's the right decision. So
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: it would have to be very known that that is
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: the right decision.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: So I need to need a marriage guidance counselor I
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: just want to say you're welcome.
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: I'm here.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: Rates are very reasonable. I don't want to say that
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: I'm fucking making your marriage better, but I mean data,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: you know, So, yeah, we're just.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Going to run our marriage now.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: Whenever we're talking, we're just going to have to go, okay,
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: write your percentage down and then Yeah.
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: It's actually a pretty smart idea.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: Come to understanding where we're both at in terms of
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: these decisions.
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: That knew number you're going to You're going to think
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: I was crazy, but yeah, I genuinely do think we will.
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: I mean, I know we will live in Australia at
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: some point, but it is I think too, like, well,
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: I think people feel like we're we're clearly Australian. We
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: love Australia. We will live in Australia, but we've also
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: like we've also been here for this is like at
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: the end of this year, we've been here twelve years.
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we haven't been three years. Like this is at
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: the moment, this is home.
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: Home is like our home home right now is in
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: Orlando's where Renee is sitting right now, and our kids
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: are happy. Jacob's thriving in his school there. We're not
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: just going to pack all that up in the next
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: few months to move back to Australia because we want
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: to live in Australia, but there there has to be
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: some great reasons. There has to be schools for Jacobs,
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: schools for the other two kids post career, what I
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: want to do obviously what Renee wants to do with
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: her working career wants once we figure all that out.
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I definitely think we'll be back. There would
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: just be a matter of when it is.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: What is the biggest adaptation Renee that you had to
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: make living in the States, Like, what was the thing
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: that you had to not necessarily that was bad, but
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: like for you you really needed to adapt and adjust
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: to something.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: What's the biggest adaptation? I good question. I don't know.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Is it just just being away from family or something,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: or I.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: Think so because I'm really really close to my family.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: I speak to my family every day while we're over here.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: So there's obviously logistics and stuff that comes into that
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: with time differences. But I'd say one of the other
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: adaptations is, like I think it would have been a
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: really natural career move for me once I finished playing
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: netball to move into another role in netball and that
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: hasn't been able to happen. But I also think that's
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: been a strength, Like the amount that I am learning
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: and growing over here in another country, in another environment,
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: with different people, different cultures, the different cities we've lived
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: over here. I just think the information that Joe and
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: I from the experience that we're having over here, I
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: believe far outweighs me. When we do decide to move
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: back to Australia, we bring all of that back with us.
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: So wel, it's a yeah, you can argue it so
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: many ways. It's like what we spoke about last time
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: was on your podcast. To everything, there's a costom there's
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: a reward, but we're really like we love life in Orlando.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: We'll definitely say that we just don't have a community here,
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: Like it's pretty lonely.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: So that Joe, do you get I don't know what
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: the word is, but I don't know I'm going to
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: go with this. I don't even know if this is
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: a term, but recognition fatigue where people go hey, hey, hey,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: do you just wish you could just go somewhere and
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: nobody goes, hey are you? Aren't you kind of a selfie?
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Like does that wear you out or is that what is?
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Or does it just depend on how you're feeling on
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: a day.
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: Probably a little bit depending on how I'm feeling the.
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: If if I'm ever with Renee or the kids, I
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: can be an absolute complete, very rude, which Renee would
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: Renee would like try and like run over there and
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: apologize for me if I'd said something to someone and
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: they The biggest like trigger for me with those things
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: is everybody knows what we're doing, how much we're paid,
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: where we like, where we live, where, like everything is
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: so public and the one time or whatever it is,
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: once or twice a week when I'm with my kids
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: at a restaurant or at a park, like just let
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: me be with my kids at And in saying that,
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: I get what being a professional athlete being in the NBA,
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: I get what brick like what comes with that.
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying I hate it whatever it is, but
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: it does get Yeah, it's probably a good word. Like
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: the fatigue is is.
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: A real thing with that, And I've definitely like, I mean,
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: there's probably a million people I would have to apologize
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: to that I have been rude to, but I would
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: hope that they stand to some level of like I
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: don't get to see my kids that often. I don't
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: get to spend this time having a waffle with my
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: daughter at a like all these little things that people
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: get to do everything every Saturday or everyone.
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: I don't get to do these things.
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: I missed Miller's little class show today, Like I don't
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: get to go to these things.
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: So I would like some people would probably argue that I.
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: Would be lying, but I would be more than happy
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: when I stopped playing to never be recognized again and
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: just be with Renee and the kids and live on
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: a nice big block of land with no neighbors.
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: And yeah, I believe it.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: I believe you do hate I wanted to, well, I
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: want to talk to you both about and we'll start
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: to wind up because I know you don't have all day,
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: but thank you for chatting to me.
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: I love it.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: I was talking this morning about I was talking with
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: somebody about, you know, some of the athletes that I've
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: worked with over the years who were like, hugely talented
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: but really just didn't do it because whatever they couldn't
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: manage their fear or anxiety or emotions, or they had
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: a shit work ethic, or they were lazy or they
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: got fucking offended every four minutes or you know, and
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: then other people that. And one of the examples I
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: gave was Jackie Cooper, the aerial ski jumper. So she
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: went to five Olympics. I trained her for nearly twenty years,
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: you know, five time world champion, five time Olympian. Like,
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: and she would tell you not that gifted. And I
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: would like, as an athlete, you throw a ball, it
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: hits her in the face, right, like not but a
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: good like the toughest person, maybe the toughest athlete I've
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: ever trained in terms of resilience. And talk to me
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: a little bit about like I think, I think about
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: optimizing potential, And I think about you, like you were
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: talented anyway, but then on top of that, you added
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: this work ethic and this borderline obsessive kind of attitude
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: and you know, ticking every box and all this stuff.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: Then I think about Joe and I think, maybe he's
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: lasted so long because he's kind of fucking laid back.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: Maybe a completely different approach, do you know what I mean.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's one way to optimize potential. What
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: are your thoughts?
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think there's one winning recipe in that
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: I think in terms of when it came to me
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: and my underlying work ethic, it was always came from
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: a place of regardless of what.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: Game I'd won, or championship I'd won, or if I
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: felt like I was lucky enough and.
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: Got an individual award, whatever those things were, there was
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: an underlying feeling in me that I was never good enough,
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: and I think that drove the work ethic. It was
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: almost like, well, I'll prove my way or all hard
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: I work way into that, and that was almost like
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: my inner dialogue. I think when it comes to Joe
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: and Joe, please jump in and correct me if I'm
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: wrong at any stage. What I've always admired about Joe
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: is He's had this inner burn to like prove people wrong,
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: or this underlying belief in himself as a basketballer on
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: the court and his ability and what he brings to
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: a team, which he like along the way, has taught me,
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: or like even like the reflecting on a failure or
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: whatever it is, Joe's always been really good at like
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: just flicking the switch and moving on, And like the
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: NBA is part of that, Like they play so often,
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: they can't wallow. Whereas netball and our performances and me
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: not missing out on teams or whatever that stuff was,
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: Netball and basketball have quite a different culture, I think
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: when it comes to those things. But yeah, I feel
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: like I always lacked the inner self belief that like
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: I felt like if I wasn't trying to get one
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: percent better, then that one percent would be the reason
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: I didn't make a team or that we did lose,
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: or that I failed.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: And I never wanted that to be on me.
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: I wanted to write, couldn't have worked any harder, Like,
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: there's no excuse from that aspect, Whereas Joe has had
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: this god given talent and people along the way that
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: have sort of said, no, you're not going to make it,
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: or your teacher Joe when you're in primary school saying no,
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: like you need to pick a different career, and him
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: going whatever, this is always had that in a self belief.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: Oh missus, O'Reilly, you fucked up. He got it wrong.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: He fucked up a lot.
• 52:31
  Speaker 5: I think I definitely don't think.
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: There's one, Like I mean, there's two recipes right here
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: that are completely different and have both had hell of
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: a sporting career. I think for me, it was always yeah,
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: that that inner like because I was never I was
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: never the best on any of the teams I was.
• 52:52
  Speaker 5: I was never I was.
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: I think one of the things I have been really
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: good at is like the consistency of what I've done,
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: Like I've.
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: I've always worked hard, I've always showed up.
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: I don't I don't miss practice, I don't miss days,
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: I don't miss games. I don't like I've always just played,
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: practiced and done everything at a at a at a
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: pretty consistent level. And like I said, whether that's right,
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: Like there's probably some things I could have done differently
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: that maybe I would have been a little bit better
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: or a little bit quicker or whatever it is.
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: And I think along the.
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: Way you find those things out, Like I mean, one
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: of the people that I'm still I just spoke to
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: him tonight, a guy called Mike Elliott, who's one of
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: my performance directors in Utah, kind of changed my.
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: Whole thought process of my career.
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: Like I played five years straight or something under him,
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: didn't miss a game. I played like five hundred games
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: straight without missing a game in the NBA and playing
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: in the summers with the Olympics and stuff like that,
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: and just just different different people along the way that
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: can teach you, Like I'm never going to have the
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: same athleticism or body tie or whatever is Anthony Edwards
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: one of my teammates, or as Dante DiVincenzo or whoever
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: the's got like the Americans or whoever it is. But
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: I know what I'm really good at. I know what
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: I what I can do to help help our team
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: or my team, and I've just tried to always.
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: Stay really consistent with that. Where yeah, just I don't know, I.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: Think that then that is the recipe.
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: Then it's actually it's not playing the comparison game and going, well,
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: he or she is doing this, so I need to
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: try and do this as well, because they achieved it
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: by doing it this way. I need to find what
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: my winning recipe is for me and embrace that and
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: like full step with.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: Which way both of us are done.
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: I can one hundred percent like and I'm still very
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: confident in what I do. But there is a lot
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: of players that are better than me, that haven't had
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: as long an NBA career as me, purely because I've
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: accepted a role like I knew who I was, and
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: I accepted that role, and yeah, of course, I'm always
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: trying to get better and play more minutes and like
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: make more money and do all those things that we
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: do as athletes.
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: But I knew, I knew who I was as a
• 55:14
  Speaker 5: as a.
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: Player and as a teammate, and like I still now,
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: I'm like the joking asshole of every team I've been on,
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: Like I can be a prick, but I'm a good teammate,
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: Like all my teammates would say they enjoy being around me.
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: But I'm also going to call it straight when I
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: need to, Like it's just who I am. So I think, yeah,
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: I think there's different for everyone, But I think, yeah,
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: like accepting the role that I was kind of given
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: and then trying to be really good at that role
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: is why I've lasted as long as I have compared
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: to Like I know, for a fact, I could probably
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: name people that I know are better and more talented
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: and quicker and faster than me. But I didn't want
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: to accept certain roles for whatever reason. Maybe it was
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: valid and whatever, but I knew what was going to
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: keep me in this league, and I've done everything to
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: do that.
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: And I think I've proved that I that I can
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: do it.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah you go all right, I mean, you know, Craig Harper,
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: but look you go, all right, well done.
• 56:12
  Speaker 5: Well.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: When you're the leading three point score at Utah.
• 56:17
  Speaker 5: There's only one of us. I'm at the top.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the humble hour with Joe Ingles. Let
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: me tell you how humble I am.
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: So fuck it was honestly one of my like I've
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: been like the bronze medal with the Australian team is
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: always going to top everything that I've been able to
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: do with my sporting career because it was the first
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: one ever. But to come to the NBA at twenty
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: seven and really not be looked at, to come over
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: here much before that at all. And then like Rene
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: said before, we loved our time in Utah and all that,
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: and we got embraced and had a hell of a
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: community there of pretty cool people. But to then say
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: you broke a record of a franchise that had John Stockton,
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: Calm Alone or like all these guys playing, and you know,
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: Grant a very different league now to then like whatever,
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: But to still say I was number one. So when
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: Donovan Mitchell got traded from Utah. He was about to
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: catch me, so they traded him at the perfect time.
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: So he's still number two. I think, so, yeah, you've
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: got him.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: You're listening, suffering your jocks, mate. It is interesting though,
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: in a it's like different things work for different people,
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: right in that you know, you can have like what
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: will be the ideal training program for you would be
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: a terrible training program for someone else. You know. It's
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: like what is like when people I get a lot
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: of older dudes ask me how I train and how
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: I eat and and all that, like my model, my
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: operating system. I'm like, yeah, don't do what I do though,
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: because you're not me, Like, you'll fucking die if you
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: do what I do because I ate two meals a
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: day and I'm the most most boring motherfucker in Australia.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: So don't do what I do because you won't last.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: And it's not because I'm tough, It's just that's what
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: works for my mind, my brain, my body. And I
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: think there is this kind of when we talk about
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: high performance or positive change or growth or I don't
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: think a lot of people think with you know, when
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: it comes to training or recovery or nutrition, or getting
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: strong or developing skill, or there's a best way, but
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: the truth is there isn't. There's like your best way,
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: Joe's best way, my best way, and there's a bunch
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: of variables around that. And it's trying to actually figure
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: out not only how your body works, but how your
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: brain and your mind and your emotional system works so
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: that you can get the best out of you. You know,
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: And as I can't say who, but I worked at
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: some Kilda footy club for a while and I remember
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: a coach talked to a player that I knew the
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: player extremely well, in fact, he worked for me, And
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: I saw this guy try this communication style with this
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: guy which was completely fucking wrong for this guy's personality
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: and the moment he basically attacked him in an effort
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: to try to get him to perform, but it was
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: the guy just shut down. I'm like, you're a fucking idiot.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: That guy is now going to hate you and never
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: going to do anything for you. And that's what happened,
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: Like he just destroyed because he didn't understand how to
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: communicate and connect and inspire this person. And he would
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: use the same model for every personality and so it's
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: very hit and missed, Like you can't you can't talk
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: to ten different people the same way and expect the
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: same outcome. That just shows your lack of social and
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: emotional intelligence.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: I do think though Crago, like back in that time
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: and when you were with Saint Kilda, you were ahead
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: of the game in terms of that stuff.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: Like I think sport now.
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: Has evolved and there is a more of an understanding
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: of the individuals human beings in sport.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: So I think that that thought pattern.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: That you had an understanding, especially in like the old
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: school AFL environment, like you're being able to understand that.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: And have the emotional intelligence of that.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: But I would agree that there's no winning recipe that
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: is broad enough that everyone can fit under that blanket.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: It's about finding for yourself what works for you your minds,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: your body, your soul, your recovery, you sleep, all of
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: those things. And then the winning recipe on top of
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: that is when you see an opportunity, fucking take it
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: like yeah, don't there and what you've got to take
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: it whatever, And that I think has been true for
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: Joe and I cross both of our careers in so
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: many different ways and formats. But you've got to take
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: the opportunities because if you don't, someone else will.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: I could talk to you guys all day, but you
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: probably got more important things to do to talk to
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: a fucking and nobody in Australia on his dinky little podcast.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: Hey Joe, well say goodbye, fair but mate, thank you
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: so much for taking the time out. I hope that
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: old man injury of yours recovers quite quickly. You know
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: it's an old man injury, right, I've.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 5: Been I've been told that several times, but I think
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: I've put myself on like a media band.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 4: So this is the first time anyone's going to hear
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: from me in about for the last three years.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: So oh wow, I think wow. I don't want to
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: say I fucking groundbreaking, but I'm groundbreaking. Nay, thank you
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: so much. What time is it over there? It's one
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: thirty five here in the thriving metropolis PM.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: It's nine thirty five PM for me and eight thirty
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: for Joe.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: All right, well say goodbye for the moment, but Joe
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: and Renee, thank you so much for then on you project.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: Make good luck for the rest of the season. And
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: I hope that body looks after you and appreciate you both.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 5: Thanks for having usks, having