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Andy McCullough on Clayton Kershaw becoming Mr. 3000, Legacy talk · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: When he was thinking about whether to retire after the
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty three season, he was like, I don't care
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  Speaker 1: about three thousand strikeouts, even though he knew exactly how
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  Speaker 1: many he needed to get to three thousand, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it was like he's like, I'm not coming back for that.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, we're back with Andy McCullough, who writes for The
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  Speaker 2: Athletic and aside from Clayton Kershaw and everyone that's been
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  Speaker 2: a part of what he was able to accomplish. Today
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  Speaker 2: is also Andy McCullough day, because he wrote a book
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  Speaker 2: called The Last of his Kind. He put poured hours
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  Speaker 2: and hours of his life into highlighting moments like this.
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  Speaker 2: It's a biography of Clayton Kershaw. So this is the
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  Speaker 2: expert to talk about the topic. Andy Gray, to have
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  Speaker 2: you on, of course, book available everywhere, but tell us
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  Speaker 2: what last night meant to you in terms of covering
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  Speaker 2: Clayton for this time period.
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  Speaker 3: Look at that.
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  Speaker 2: You can even scan it as you're doing.
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  Speaker 1: WHOA, that's great. Yeah, I enjoyed Kratz's reaction. I also
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  Speaker 1: did not know my birthday is next week though, so
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  Speaker 1: you know, feel free to yeah, send me through something.
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  Speaker 3: And for me personally, like, you know, it's.
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  Speaker 1: It's a weird process writing a biography about someone. I
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  Speaker 1: think you spend a lot of time thinking about them
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  Speaker 1: and trying and talking to them and talking to people
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  Speaker 1: about them and trying your best to kind of explain
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  Speaker 1: things in a way that gets the person's perspective but
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  Speaker 1: also you know, the perspective the people around them, and
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  Speaker 1: then you know, kind of put them into the historical context,
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  Speaker 1: you know, within baseball. And you know, for me at
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  Speaker 1: this point, like I was just kind of watching as
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  Speaker 1: a person who enjoys watching baseball.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I wasn't writing about it.
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  Speaker 1: I've I've kind of written what I want to write,
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  Speaker 1: you know about Kershaw at this.
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  Speaker 3: Point, you know, so I was just kind of enjoying it.
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  Speaker 1: As a as a spectator. It was a really cool
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  Speaker 1: night in Los Angeles. It seemed like, you know, it
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  Speaker 1: was awesome for him obviously, it was you know, his family,
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  Speaker 1: all the kids were there with you know, his wife Ellen,
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  Speaker 1: and the reaction from Dodger fans was really really cool
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  Speaker 1: to see. So yeah, fun.
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  Speaker 4: Night, Andy. I hope this get your book sales up.
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  Speaker 4: Because we chatted in New York and we had a
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  Speaker 4: long talk in New York and the dugout and then
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  Speaker 4: cursh came over and we talked with him for a
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  Speaker 4: long time. We talked about multiple things. But what I
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  Speaker 4: want to know is, how did you get to be
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  Speaker 4: such a tight confidant?
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  Speaker 5: I guess of kurse because you know, he he's not
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  Speaker 5: He doesn't open up to a lot of people.
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  Speaker 4: Right from what little I've been around him, he's kind
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  Speaker 4: of and it's not a bad thing. He's a great
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  Speaker 4: guy when we talked to him, right, But how did
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  Speaker 4: you get to be the one to biographize him?
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  Speaker 5: Is that the right word to write this?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: Biography? How was he?
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  Speaker 3: Why did he pick you?
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  Speaker 6: Well?
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  Speaker 7: Mostly because Tim Brown moved to North Carolina.
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  Speaker 3: I think it was no longer living in Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 1: Look, I mean I think I think that I don't
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  Speaker 1: proclaim to be like it's nice for you to say,
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  Speaker 1: I guess, you know, confidant or whatever, but like I
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  Speaker 1: just looked at it as like I covered him for
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  Speaker 1: you know, a decent stretch of time when I was
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  Speaker 1: at the Los Angeles Times. I've continued to write about
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  Speaker 1: him while I was at the Athletic. I've always you know, tried.
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  Speaker 3: To be fair.
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  Speaker 1: I've always you know, when I was covering the team
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  Speaker 1: for The Times, I viewed my primary mission as like
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  Speaker 1: trying to explain Kershaw to the readers because he was
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  Speaker 1: such an historically important you know, character and person and
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  Speaker 1: you know the history of the franchise. And I've you know,
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  Speaker 1: like he didn't really pick me for it. It was
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  Speaker 1: my idea to write it. And I think that he
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  Speaker 1: you know, he was very very gracious with his time,
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  Speaker 1: but he was also you know, kind of allowed me
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  Speaker 1: to like, you know, spend a lot of time with him,
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  Speaker 1: spend a lot of time, you know, with his family.
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  Speaker 1: You know, didn't ask to like read what was going
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  Speaker 1: to be in the book. He insists he still has
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  Speaker 1: not read it. You know, didn't ask for like money
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  Speaker 1: for it. It was you know, so it really was
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  Speaker 1: like kind of an ideal subject by you know, writer relationship,
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  Speaker 1: and so I'm very grateful for that. And I don't,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I kind of look at it as like
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  Speaker 1: he understood that he has had a career that someone
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  Speaker 1: was going to write a book about someday, and so
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  Speaker 1: when I approached him with it, he kind of looked
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  Speaker 1: at it as you know, well, you know, Andy seems
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  Speaker 1: like a fair guy, and you know he'll he'll do
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  Speaker 1: an okay job with it, and he's been very gracious
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  Speaker 1: about the whole thing.
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  Speaker 6: What do you think this number three thousand meant to
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  Speaker 6: not just Clayton, but Owen two and just his entire
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  Speaker 6: family as a family man that he is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think it's funny like in doing
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  Speaker 1: the book, you know, most of the reporting was done
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  Speaker 1: like two years ago or so, you know, in like
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three, And when he
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  Speaker 1: was thinking about whether to retire after the twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: three season, he was like, I don't care about three
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  Speaker 1: thousand strikeouts, even though he knew exactly how many he
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  Speaker 1: needed to get to three thousand. You know, it was
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  Speaker 1: like he's like, I'm not coming back for that. But
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  Speaker 1: I think that as he got closer to it, henowed
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  Speaker 1: he sort of was able to admit how important it
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  Speaker 1: would be to just kind of add that final capstone.
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  Speaker 1: And you know for the kids too, like they're in
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  Speaker 1: an age, especially you know, as two oldest you know,
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  Speaker 1: Cali in char like they they're actually like able to
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  Speaker 1: experience this, you know, they can actually sort of remember
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  Speaker 1: this stuff. It's not just going to be sort of
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  Speaker 1: like images in their you know mind that as they
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  Speaker 1: move forward and they can be more active participants. And
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  Speaker 1: so I think that part of the reason that he's
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  Speaker 1: wanted to keep going is because you know, he wants
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  Speaker 1: his kids to be able to, you know, just sort
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  Speaker 1: of be part of this more you know, actively than
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  Speaker 1: they had been when they were you know, toddlers. And
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  Speaker 1: so yeah, you could just see, you know, in all
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  Speaker 1: the shots of them at the ballpark last night, you know,
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  Speaker 1: in the clubhouse afterwards.
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  Speaker 3: You know, what a special moment it was for all
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  Speaker 3: of them.
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  Speaker 4: That's an amazing moment. What twentieth guy to get three
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  Speaker 4: thousand strikeouts. There's a couple of things that I noticed. One,
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  Speaker 4: Will Venable came out and was arguing the pitch. If
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  Speaker 4: you notice the video from the side, you can see
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  Speaker 4: Will Venable comes out and argues, Listen, dude, that's just
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  Speaker 4: three thousand strikeout right, Like, you can't argue that.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, I'm sorry, I mean it was in the.
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  Speaker 3: Strike it was close, it was close.
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  Speaker 4: We didn't catch it the best, but whatever, there's three
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  Speaker 4: thousand strikeout, Like, you're not you're not digging that way.
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  Speaker 4: And then second of all, it came right after Max's injury,
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  Speaker 4: which sucks, you know, so he had to kind of
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  Speaker 4: get back up after that whole long thing.
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  Speaker 5: And then the last thing for.
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  Speaker 4: Me is what would it have meant if they wouldn't
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  Speaker 4: have come back and won this game? Right, Yes, it
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  Speaker 4: would have been unbelievable he got the three thousand, But
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  Speaker 4: then for the Dodgers to come back and win the
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  Speaker 4: game the way they did it had it been even
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  Speaker 4: greater for Clayton.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes it more of a storybook night, and
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  Speaker 1: it makes it easier for him to just kind of
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  Speaker 1: accept all the adulation that you know, he rightfully deserves
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  Speaker 1: for the achievement. I think it would have been a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more challenging to do that, you know, in
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  Speaker 1: a loss, but you know, at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 1: like losing a sort of random game in July. I
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  Speaker 1: think that he's gotten to the point where he understands that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Like I think part of in the conversations I've.
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  Speaker 3: Had with him, you know, this year and.
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  Speaker 1: Late last year, like he really is trying his best
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  Speaker 1: to just enjoy this process, to enjoy being in the
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  Speaker 1: big leagues. He knows his time is running short, and
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  Speaker 1: I think that one of the problems.
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  Speaker 3: For players are who are that good and.
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  Speaker 1: Put and hold themselves to that standard and you know,
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  Speaker 1: accept nothing less than, you know, sort of everything from themselves.
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  Speaker 7: Is that it's hard to enjoy it.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard to enjoy the ride, you know, because the
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  Speaker 1: standards are so high, and so you're so relentlessly pressuring yourself.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that he is trying to maintain that
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  Speaker 1: standard while also acknowledging, like you know, to just soak
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  Speaker 1: it all in and to really appreciate everything he's been
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  Speaker 6: We know this is historic, like AJ said twentieth fourth
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  Speaker 6: lefty to ever do it? How about looking forward to
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  Speaker 6: the future? Is there are there people? Are there guys
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  Speaker 6: right now that you're like, oh yeah, they could get
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  Speaker 6: there because we've seen Clayton Kershall was the best historically,
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  Speaker 6: was the best pitcher for the first six years of
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  Speaker 6: his career when he finally made it to free agency
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  Speaker 6: and was paid that way. Looking forward, we can easily
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  Speaker 6: look back, But looking forward, is this a number that
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  Speaker 6: we're just not going to see for a long time.
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  Speaker 7: Kratzy, Are you suggesting he's the last.
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  Speaker 3: Of his kind?
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  Speaker 6: Did you write about it in the book, I'll look.
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  Speaker 3: Something like that.
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  Speaker 1: No, But I mean I think, like if you had
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  Speaker 1: asked me this two years ago, I would have said,
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  Speaker 1: I think Garrett Cole is going to get there, you know,
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  Speaker 1: but given just the health issues he's had, you know,
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  Speaker 1: missing a good chunk of last year and then undergoing
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  Speaker 1: Tommy John surgery, you know, I think it's going to
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  Speaker 1: be a really long time before someone gets to three thousand.
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  Speaker 1: And that's even in an arrow where strikeouts are are
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  Speaker 1: way more prevalent, and it's just yeah, part of you know,
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  Speaker 1: what I was trying to capture with this book is that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Kershaw, along with you know, Justin Verlander and
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  Speaker 1: Max Schurzer, really are kind of the three last guys
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  Speaker 1: who really have that sort of connection to what it
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  Speaker 1: meant to be a number one pitcher in the same
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  Speaker 1: way that Tom sever and you know, Bob Gibson and
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  Speaker 1: Pedro Martinez and all those guys, you know that they
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  Speaker 1: were held to the.
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  Speaker 3: Same sort of standard.
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  Speaker 1: The game has changed so much so I mean, someone
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  Speaker 1: probably will get the three thousand strikeouts again.
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  Speaker 3: You know, but it's going to be a while for sure.
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  Speaker 5: Andy is Kirsha loved as much as he should be.
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  Speaker 4: I think people look at the postseason stuff in the
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  Speaker 4: past and say, oh, well, he couldn't do it in
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  Speaker 4: the postseas.
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  Speaker 5: He's got two rings. He's got two rings.
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  Speaker 4: And there are some moments where he has absolutely dominated
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  Speaker 4: in the postseason. But there's the Cardinals thing where they
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  Speaker 4: trolled it earlier in the year and that whole thing
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  Speaker 4: that they did. But is he appreciated as much as
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  Speaker 4: he should be, even if you did write a book
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  Speaker 4: about how great he is.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, certainly in Los Angeles, right Like, I think
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  Speaker 1: you can see the way that Dodgers fans have reacted
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  Speaker 1: to him, you know, not just last night, but even
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  Speaker 1: like after the parade.
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  Speaker 3: You know, in twenty twenty four, Kershar did not play
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  Speaker 3: a major role.
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  Speaker 1: You know, in the twenty twenty four season, he was
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  Speaker 1: injured for the postseason, and he gets one of the
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  Speaker 1: biggest pops you know, for his speech after you know,
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  Speaker 1: after they come back to Dodger Stadium. So I think
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  Speaker 1: in LA, yeah, he's probably properly appeached, appreciated.
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  Speaker 7: And I think among you know, like baseball.
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  Speaker 1: Heads, you know, real steam heads, people who like love
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  Speaker 1: the history of the game. There's a there's a proper
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  Speaker 1: you know, sort of recognition of what he's achieved. You know,
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  Speaker 1: he really is the best pitcher ever in terms of
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  Speaker 1: run prevention of like not letting guys score. There's never
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  Speaker 1: been a better pitcher at that. But you know, like
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  Speaker 1: around the sport, look, I mean, we live in a
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  Speaker 1: hater based culture and so like, of course, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Padres fans are gonna make fun of what happened in
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  Speaker 1: the postseason and Cardinals fans. I mean that's just like
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  Speaker 1: that's modern sports, and that's okay, that's kind of what
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  Speaker 1: powers the whole you know, sort of industry besides gambling,
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  Speaker 1: and so yeah, like it's that just kind of.
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  Speaker 3: Is what it is. I think in LA though, like
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  Speaker 3: he is certainly beloved.
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  Speaker 6: Any update on Max Munsey his schedule for his MRI
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  Speaker 6: this morning, Do you have any update?
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  Speaker 1: No, I mean, you know, we'll see. I suspect there
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  Speaker 1: will obviously be an il stint, you know, just a.
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  Speaker 3: Matter of how serious the injury is.
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  Speaker 6: Though, okay, so more broader when we look back at
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  Speaker 6: like other teams, like I look back at I think
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  Speaker 6: of like Cleveland back in the day, it was like
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  Speaker 6: whoa that all those guys were in that lineup. It's
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  Speaker 6: like this many Hall of Famers this Dodgers team. It
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  Speaker 6: made me think of it because Freddy Freeman. Now, I
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  Speaker 6: think he's third in the Live Ball Era in walkoffs
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  Speaker 6: from his walk off last night, I think he's got seventeen.
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  Speaker 6: How many Hall of Famers do you see guaranteed in
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  Speaker 6: on this team?
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  Speaker 1: Obviously, yeah, Kershaw, Freeman, bets Otani.
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  Speaker 3: Am I missing anyone obvious.
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  Speaker 6: There that's currently on the team?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: No, I mean yeah, those, but that's you know, if
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  Speaker 1: you have three at the top of your lineup that's
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  Speaker 1: generally pretty good, that usually that usually plays well. And
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  Speaker 1: also to like, I think that Freddy Freeman is like
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  Speaker 1: it kind of is like a historically underappreciated great player.
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  Speaker 1: Like I feel like every time I'm asked about him,
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  Speaker 1: I just think that I think he's just like the
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  Speaker 1: best hitter in the world, even if the stats, you know,
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  Speaker 1: don't say it, but like in terms of just a
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  Speaker 1: sense of the moment and you know, sort of the
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  Speaker 1: ability to rise to the occasion, like he really is
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  Speaker 1: as good as it.
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  Speaker 4: Gets play with him, Andy, play with him for a
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  Speaker 4: year and then tell me he's underappreciated because I got
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  Speaker 4: to play with Freddy for two.
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  Speaker 5: Years and sorry, twenty fifteen Player of the Year over Freddy.
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  Speaker 5: So yeah, you know, probably that probably cost him in fansized, But.
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  Speaker 4: No, if you play with Freddy and you see what
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  Speaker 4: this guy does every day and he wants to play
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  Speaker 4: every day, that's the key for me. He wanted to
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  Speaker 4: play one hundred and sixty two games every year, and
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  Speaker 4: that's so special to me. He goes through his ups
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  Speaker 4: and downs like every hitter. But if you need a
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  Speaker 4: big hit and you need a dude to get you
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  Speaker 4: a single right the game on the line, Freddy Freeman
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  Speaker 4: is tough to be.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I said, I think I've said this on the show.
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  Speaker 1: But like if if for some reason I was caught
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  Speaker 1: in some sort of hostage situation and there was a
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  Speaker 1: runner at second base with two outs and I was
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  Speaker 1: given one hitter to the needed to get a hit,
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  Speaker 1: you know, save my life, it would be Freddy Freeman.
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  Speaker 6: Certainly, I would really know.
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  Speaker 7: Why I would be.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know why I would be in that situation,
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  Speaker 1: Like a lot of things would have had to have
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  Speaker 1: gone wrong.
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  Speaker 6: But theoretically, I would definitely want to know how any
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  Speaker 6: McCalla got in a hostage situation and how Freddy got
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  Speaker 6: him out by Freddie's like, who's this guy on the
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  Speaker 6: left side? Thank you, Freddy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm still Seeger on that one. I think,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, I don't know. I think I think
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  Speaker 2: that's out there, which is crazy the former Dodger. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: those two probably.
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  Speaker 6: You're dying.
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  Speaker 5: And living. Scott you gone, Yeah, I'm gone. Corey Steger,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, it's a great try.
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  Speaker 1: If you're like he has he does have sort of
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: like he does Jedi mind tricks where somehow they throw
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: like a first stress ball.
• 15:07
  Speaker 5: Like all the time.
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: Boy, it's just like he has it.
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, It's like he has like a homing beacon where
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: he brings in a fastball and you're just like, how
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: did why they do that?
• 15:15
  Speaker 7: Did they not have scouting reports?
• 15:17
  Speaker 6: They're like, there's no way swinging this time. It's only
• 15:20
  Speaker 6: fifty five percent that he swings.
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: We we did that the number of times for our
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: postgame shows in twenty twenty three. We were like, yeah,
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: I don't get it. What is everyone else seeing that
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: we're not seeing that scout.
• 15:32
  Speaker 7: Does some sort of mind trick.
• 15:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Derek Lee, Hey, that was Derek Leeback.
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: Derek Lee would have four bats and get four pitch
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: four first pitch cheaters and get four hits, and you're like,
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: why do they keep throwing them that?
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: I don't get it. Andy, good talking you men. Appreciate
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: the time. And one more little plug on the way out.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: Go check out the book as we showed you at
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: the top. Give it a little skin Thanks.
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: Andy, thanks for having me. It's fun.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, Andy McCollough from The Athletic give him
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: follow on twitch as well.
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: Watch Venable Watchable right another dug out argument right here?
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: Wait, Venable argued.
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: When they went over whoever o Tani's shoulder?
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: You can see Venable coming out of the out of
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: the dugout to argue the strike three call.
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: Like, dude, it's just three thousand strikeout, bro.
• 16:20
  Speaker 6: I think Jim going to be a double switch. He
• 16:22
  Speaker 6: was definitely switch.
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: There's Nocher hitting it, like, wasn't Jim wol I think.
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: Jim Wolf was the home plate onun bar Jim Wolves
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: from l A brother Randy Wolf Like, trust me, Clayton
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: wasn't if it was if it was anywhere, if the
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: catcher caught it, it was strike three.
• 16:39
  Speaker 6: Jim will I don't have a problem with that, like three.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: My thing is if this is, you know, September twenty eighth,
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: and it's the thick of a playoff race with two
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: teams that could decide the season. It's the White Sox
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: against Clayton. I don't know what the box said.
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: Was it in the zone?
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: I mean it was, and I looked at the highlight.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: I didn't see it with the box, but it looked
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: close enough.
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: No, it's in the box. It dotted dotted.
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: He was inside doing it dotted like the very other
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: side of the strike zone.
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: But again, dude, they're playing the White Sox.
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: It's at home. Everyone knew that was his last hitter.
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: They threw the guy out at third, They threw out
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: Taylor at third, hurt Munsey's knee.
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: Everyone knew. That's why the fans were going If you
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: watch it, it was so cool. The fans were going crazy.
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: They knew it was the sixth THNN.
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: He got through six, right, grinded through six to get
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: to this point.
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: He had twelve two strike counts and he got three strikeouts.
• 17:42
  Speaker 6: Twelve of them. He just could not get the last one.
• 17:45
  Speaker 6: It's like, it's like that dude that's sitting on four
• 17:48
  Speaker 6: hundred and ninety nine homers, and you're just like.
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: Is he swinging for it?
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: Is he trying too hard to get that last strikeout?
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: Is he trying?
• 17:57
  Speaker 6: Like he just couldn't get it done? And then he did.
• 18:01
  Speaker 6: Now he's forever immortalized three thousand k's.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: They might need him down the stretch, and really more
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: so in the playoffs. So you want to get more
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: swing and miss out of Clayton.
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: And he gave us a nine hit. But this is
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: not the same league at all.
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: But I was on nineteen ninety nine hits for my
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: career and we were in Atlanta and we had like
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: a four game homestand and my family flew in for it,
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: and I was trying so and I couldn't even hit
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: the ball because I was I just wanted to get
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: that hit. So they were there, and then we went
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: on the road in Boston and I got it like
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: my first a bat, and there was nobody there and
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: like the Red Sox didn't even acknowledge it, and it
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: was kind of like, ah, it.
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: Was like such a buzzkill.
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: I mean, it was cool, you know, but it was
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: such a buzzkill because again it's not the same level
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: of thing. But for to get to that, I wanted,
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: you know, my family was there and I wanted to
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: be able to celebrate. It didn't happen.