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Bears Over Beers: Winter Is Coming To Soldier Field! Browns Preview · 2nd City Gridiron

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[SPEAKER_01]: What's up everybody bears over beers power by second city grid iron Ryan drosty here with Brian orange chuck and unfortunately we're coming off of a loss against the green bay pack because this past weekend we're mentally finally moving beyond it.
0:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Brian how you doing tonight.
0:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Doing great, man.
0:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Doing very well.
0:33
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm actually very appreciative of the L, more so the atmosphere than the actual unfortunate result.
0:40
[SPEAKER_00]: But the atmosphere was a great opportunity for our teams to galvanize, to learn firsthand why you can't start slow, and some things that we've already heard the coaching staff and players echo in.
0:59
[SPEAKER_00]: in these press conferences early this week, but I expect to see a fired-up squad moving forward the rest of the year and I can't wait!
1:09
[SPEAKER_00]: for next week against the Packers, but before we get to that, we have a tough Brown squad that I think is gonna pose some really, really healthy challenges for our offense.
1:22
[SPEAKER_00]: And excited about it, man, I'm actually, I've seen you off the air.
1:25
[SPEAKER_00]: I actually really like the Browns team this year.
1:28
[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll get into that, but, but I'm doing well, man.
1:32
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you can't win them all.
1:33
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was a hard fought game to the end.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm excited to be here with you and you know, if we got to eat some Crow, let's eat some Crow We're fine with that.
1:43
[SPEAKER_00]: It was it was a it was a game that we could have won at the end and We didn't so it is what it is, but I guess I can't wait to get them back, but All that to say man, how are you doing?
1:56
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it was the first snow day of the school year today.
1:58
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been super cold here in Iowa.
2:02
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like 50 mile per hour winds.
2:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't really snow much.
2:05
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just blowing around the snow everywhere.
2:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Pretty cold.
2:09
[SPEAKER_01]: So been home all day, you know, you know, I kind of agree with you.
2:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, we wanted to win the Packers game.
2:14
[SPEAKER_01]: It was one we expected.
2:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we expected to split with them this year.
2:18
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, to go in thinking that we might lose there was not a surprise.
2:22
[SPEAKER_01]: But we really wanted the win because God, Brian, I wanted to be drinking a IPA, 120-minute dog fish head tonight over 15% I had promised the listeners.
2:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately, maybe if we get them in Chicago, so break it out after the next game next weekend.
2:38
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, you know, you're talking about a team in the Bears that had won nine of 10 games, five straight.
2:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it might come with some added benefit to, you know, refocus after a loss like that.
2:51
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, when they come, come to town next week, getting some revenge, you know, that will kind of be.
2:56
[SPEAKER_01]: the idea.
2:57
[SPEAKER_01]: I got my wife bringing me a bottle opener here Brian because I realized that I got into my office and I'm like, the beer that I picked out, I can't twist it up.
3:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I need a bottle opener.
3:09
[SPEAKER_01]: So thank you to Mrs. Drosty here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I'll be ready to go with the beer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What are you drinking tonight?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll let you go first.
3:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I'm bummed to like you are.
3:17
[SPEAKER_00]: I was hoping to drink my Polish port of the Xiviet's Polish porter, but I got to hold on to that one a little bit longer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I do have a special beer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've had one I'm ready a couple weeks ago with the weather lurking in Chicago this year.
3:31
[SPEAKER_00]: It's gonna be chilly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is my last winter ale, the cold mountain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Going to be cold.
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[SPEAKER_00]: going to be cold cold mountain it's a winter ale vanilla hazelnut dark fruit cinnamon just a real drinkable winter ale love it and it says it's going to be cold this weekend so looking forward to maybe another snow game that'd be fun yeah absolutely.
4:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I got two things here, Ryan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not gonna get two over the top, but I was like, I gotta do something to make this show a little different, because this beer I've already drank before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's a classic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I always like porters when it's cold outside.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We had this snow day tonight today, so dark beer, founders porter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh nice.
4:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I drank it on the show a couple of weeks ago.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's now from Cleveland, but it's from not too far away.
4:26
[SPEAKER_01]: And Carl is in a Grand Rapids Michigan.
4:30
[SPEAKER_01]: So I got that, but then I also was thinking about the weather and what could I do thematically for a game that might end up ranking in one of the top 10 coldest games ever as soldier field.
4:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we're looking at this, you know, we got the title to show tonight's winter is coming.
4:46
[SPEAKER_01]: We got the forecast of negative 10, anywhere from negative 10 to negative 20 winch, I have seen.
4:53
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're looking to go to a Bears game this year, you don't mind the cold weather.
4:56
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the game to go to because the tickets are not that expensive, shocking, because people don't want to sit out in that.
5:03
[SPEAKER_01]: So anyways, I was like, what, you know, if I need to warm up what I have and, uh,
5:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Well fireball was nice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So how you can do this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can do one shot and then the Porter or mix it.
5:18
[SPEAKER_00]: What are you thinking?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm going to have the shot and then the porter, right?
5:21
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a deal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll do it, so I'll get the the porter in the glass here ready to go.
5:26
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how long we've had this fireball.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just found it in the bar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been down there a while.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure it's still fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it's not something I drink often.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Once in a while in the winter time, we'll put it in a mixed drink or something, but...
5:43
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
5:43
[SPEAKER_01]: The porter is looking nice.
5:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Here it is in the bears overbears pint glass or usual.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, cheers, my man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we'll take a drink of this first cheers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Daniel in the chat, always go to see Daniel.
6:00
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you drink at the night?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Daniel are you drinking with us?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let us know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't have to be alcoholic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I suppose I'll open this fireball.
6:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is, this is Tase.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ooh, the capsule will hard to get off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not a great sign.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's caramelized around the rim.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I might only go a half a shot of this stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is a, okay, here's the, the history not in me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is in the Herbert Hoover Presidential Library shot glass.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, Herbert Hoover pretty shitty president, but you know what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was from the state of Iowa, we claim him, and I've been to the presidential library and I had to get a souvenir.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The only president from the state of Iowa, so I got that here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nice, cheers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bottoms up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh boy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, that's a big red for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like drinking big red, I don't warm you up, but I'm taking this like a man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't even taken the sip of the beer yet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's feeling the heat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Go to Chicago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Go on the shoulder.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Pack the flask.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, good stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, also I should shout out, I see this in the chat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Steven Matthews, I don't know if he's tuned in, but he recently joined the second city gridiron as a channel member.
7:20
[SPEAKER_01]: So appreciate that, Steven, as well, supporting the channel to an even greater level.
7:26
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, check out all the other second city gridiron podcasters while you're on the channel after the broadcast.
7:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Great stuff going up every single day.
7:36
[SPEAKER_01]: So Brian, you know, we went in that Green Bay Packers game,
7:40
[SPEAKER_01]: and a huge surprise right before the game with Kyle Gordon, re-injuring himself and in pre-game warmups.
7:51
[SPEAKER_01]: And it sounded from Ben Johnson's comments today.
7:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, they are not optimistic he will play again this year.
7:57
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't know what's an unknown, but man, oh man.
8:01
[SPEAKER_01]: This guy, one of our top players on Defest, just unable to stay healthy this year.
8:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Huge loss.
8:07
[SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about him a lot on the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How important he is to the run game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: one of the best nickel corners in the game.
8:13
[SPEAKER_01]: And God, if he can't return this year, I'm glad we got CJ.
8:18
[SPEAKER_01]: He's been a huge sign signing for us, you know, and that's been a huge, but man to lose Kyler for the rest of your really, really sucks.
8:26
[SPEAKER_01]: And what was your reaction when you saw the news on Sunday morning?
8:33
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he just can't seem to stay healthy.
8:35
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's not had a full season in his whole career yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And granted, he played a lot more last every year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's played so far, and then he has this year.
8:46
[SPEAKER_00]: But...
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[SPEAKER_00]: He just can't seem to stay healthy.
8:50
[SPEAKER_00]: And I love the combo of him and CJ.
8:55
[SPEAKER_00]: We've only seen that once, I think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One time, we've got to see that against the Eagles.
9:02
[SPEAKER_00]: And the things that CJ does well, Kyler does well as well.
9:07
[SPEAKER_00]: but Kyler is a better cover defender, past defense can run with the guys that people a lot of people nobody really talked about.
9:19
[SPEAKER_00]: on buyers' interception against jail and hurts.
9:22
[SPEAKER_00]: It was, it was Kyler that was in AJ Brown's back pocket, the whole way in great coverage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's no, you know, that's no small feat there.
9:31
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're gonna miss him, but as Ben alluded to, right afterwards, like we've kind of gotten used to not playing with Kyler.
9:39
[SPEAKER_00]: So the defense from a schematic standpoint from a personnel standpoint,
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[SPEAKER_00]: know that they've not gotten familiar with him or as it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not as big of a loss I think mostly because of CJ in the way he's been playing, especially in the run sport and as a past Russia.
9:56
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm bummed man, cows were my favorite players in the whole team.
9:59
[SPEAKER_00]: He's one of my favorite guys on the on the whole team offense defense.
10:04
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I just I'm I it's bummed bummed not to
10:10
[SPEAKER_00]: you know injuries just keep getting us um it could be worse or some teams that are worse when it comes to injuries but and hopefully we get germane back soon but um but coder man that one definitely hurts.
10:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope he does come back maybe you know like play off time I don't know but
10:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Ben didn't sound too optimistic that he'd see him again this year and Ben didn't sound too happy either He did not sound too happy that Collar was once again dealing with a soft tissue injury.
10:38
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's gonna be interesting to see how that plays out because I believe he's up for Extension So that'd be interesting to see what happens there, but Yeah, that was a bummer man.
10:49
[SPEAKER_00]: How about you?
10:51
[SPEAKER_01]: I just keep thinking at this point, I don't know, maybe I'm not in medicine, but I'm starting to wonder man, what point do you start looking at the training staff?
11:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Because some of these nagging injuries or like guys getting cleared to play and then they're not really healthy.
11:07
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got to be something going on, right?
11:09
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like with Jaylin earlier this year and playing and Detroit getting hurt one quarter in, and you know, this, the Kyler, the nagging, I mean, it's, you're gonna have to look out really hard at this training staff, I think, in the Aussies and it's unfortunate, but I mean, that's the nature of the job.
11:25
[SPEAKER_01]: That was my first thought.
11:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Is how does a guy
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[SPEAKER_01]: re-injure himself in warm-ups, right?
11:30
[SPEAKER_01]: What is going on out there?
11:32
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I agree we're in a better spot, you know, then we would have been because of CJ and we've learned to play without Kyler most of the year, unfortunately.
11:41
[SPEAKER_01]: There's just that factor of we had been hoping all year that we would get him back fully healthy and Jalen for the stretch run.
11:49
[SPEAKER_01]: And now that's taken away.
11:51
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got Jalen back, not looking like himself though at all.
11:58
[SPEAKER_01]: I shouldn't say at all, but a lot of the time.
12:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, I haven't been looking like himself.
12:02
[SPEAKER_01]: If Kylo's able to come back, if we make the playoffs, you got to wonder like, is he going to be himself?
12:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Or, you know, you don't want to put a guy out there in a situation that's so important if he's going to be just a shell of himself.
12:14
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're going to have to weigh.
12:15
[SPEAKER_01]: If he's even ready, go or not, and contribute in a way that he should.
12:19
[SPEAKER_01]: But no, man, it sucks.
12:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you.
12:22
[SPEAKER_01]: One of my favorite players, such an impact guy when he's been out there for the team over the last few years.
12:27
[SPEAKER_01]: huge bummer, absolutely huge bummer.
12:29
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, watching the game itself, like I mentioned, Jalen and even Byrd who's been so great this year, like some of these, the blown coverages and you know, just barely missing out on interceptions.
12:41
[SPEAKER_01]: There's one that brisker just barely missed to get the packers.
12:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Jalen being like totally out of position.
12:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to those long touchdowns just
12:49
[SPEAKER_01]: horrible game, horrible game out of our defense just up and down on Sunday.
12:53
[SPEAKER_01]: It's really happy that the offense was able to battle back like they have done, you know, this year they started really, really poorly, but turned it out in the second half and I mean, to the defenses credit, they were able to get a couple of key stops too, but it almost felt like Green Bay could just score it will on us and it was just such a downer on the defensive side of the ball because we felt like the defense was improving.
13:17
[SPEAKER_01]: And unfortunately, kind of got brought back down there with a little bit on Sunday.
13:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure.
13:26
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the things that we knew going into it was if you can pressure Jordan love, you can force him to make mistakes, and that was evident on his interception.
13:36
[SPEAKER_00]: We got to him and he threw a terrible pass right over the middle of the field, right to CJ.
13:45
[SPEAKER_00]: And aside from that, we didn't get much pressure on him and at least two,
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[SPEAKER_00]: additional personnel on a blitz and it got picked up easily.
14:02
[SPEAKER_00]: And he had all day to scan the field with fewer guys and defense back there and he just picked us apart.
14:10
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, credit Matt LaFlor for calling those, you know, those, those, those manbeaters, the, the man defense, winning routes for the offense.
14:20
[SPEAKER_00]: And Jordan, you know, he's, he's, he's, he's, then take a high school
14:26
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not saying Jordan loves a high school quarterback like he's got a heck of an arm and he put his guys he put the ball out there for them to make plays.
14:36
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it was it was unfortunate we didn't get after him enough and I do think we turned it up in the second half, which is why I feel like
14:44
[SPEAKER_00]: come again two weeks from now.
14:47
[SPEAKER_00]: We can have whatever it is.
14:50
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be a different ball game.
14:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of it was duty intensity.
14:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I think some of it was schematic.
14:56
[SPEAKER_00]: They kind of hit us in a mouth in a way we didn't expect both on offense and defense.
15:01
[SPEAKER_00]: And
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing our guys respond.
15:07
[SPEAKER_00]: But gosh, if I didn't, if I wouldn't think, watch in that, that we need an additional pass record, we need, we need a, not even that's another micah, but somebody that can bring some heat, man.
15:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's just definitely the glaring need for our whole team, I'd say.
15:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I know we're going to talk about the Browns a little bit and I watch that that Browns Titans game and watch a Miles Garrett, you know, like, oh man, yeah, we got a guy like that on this team.
15:36
[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's the obvious, you know, glaring weakness of the team and it's it's going to show up as a concern if we make the playoffs for sure when we need some guys getting home up front, but, um,
15:45
[SPEAKER_01]: God, I really feel like when we add that to this team, it's going to be such a complete team, and we'll be a legit contender.
15:52
[SPEAKER_01]: And I say, and we can't make a deep run this year if things go right, you know, it's possible.
15:56
[SPEAKER_01]: But man, if we fix this past rush, this team's going to be real hard to beat.
16:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, they battle back in the second half.
16:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Caleb starts playing a lot better, like I said, a couple of good defensive stops.
16:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you.
16:07
[SPEAKER_01]: We couldn't play much worse in coverage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You wouldn't think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they can fix some of those things and tighten up for the rematch.
16:16
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's at home.
16:17
[SPEAKER_01]: You feel pretty good, you know, because like I said, we couldn't have played much worse, and it was still a one-position game.
16:22
[SPEAKER_01]: We get down to the final play.
16:24
[SPEAKER_00]: For sure.
16:25
[SPEAKER_00]: And I look back at that fourth down conversion where Josh Jacobs had four guys on him and he somehow got free and ran for 21.
16:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
16:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that was the backbreaker of the whole game right there.
16:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That, that, you know, which's tied up at that point.
16:40
[SPEAKER_00]: And we stop him.
16:42
[SPEAKER_00]: We get the ball.
16:44
[SPEAKER_00]: and, you know, four guys, man, including two defensive linemen.
16:48
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just unacceptable.
16:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
16:52
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, like you said, with all, with all, all considerations, we still had a chance to win the game at the end.
17:01
[SPEAKER_00]: And we didn't, so whatever.
17:03
[SPEAKER_00]: But,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking forward to seeing how they respond this week because this week Brown's got a really really strong defense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If not dare I say stronger than green base.
17:14
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not going to be a restful week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be a week where they need to find two things they need to start fast like Ben talked about.
17:21
[SPEAKER_00]: and hone those skills, tighten up those nuts and bolts of the protection, of the routes, of everything, footwork from a fundamental standpoint and get some really good live action practice in a cold weather and then come back and do it again next week against the Packers and see how much you've grown.
17:43
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a great opportunity.
17:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I think if there's anybody
17:48
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he can do everything Mike you can do, but better in my opinion, and so, you know, a great challenge, and I think their defense of line is better than Green Bay's.
17:59
[SPEAKER_00]: The thing that Green Bay did, and I got to give him credit, they came ready to play against the bears.
18:04
[SPEAKER_00]: They did not underestimate the bears, they recognized how strong we as a bear's team has been, and they came out ready to play from the opening snap.
18:14
[SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't see that, at least from our trenches early on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if we can do that, we can play with anybody.
18:22
[SPEAKER_00]: But we got to do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it'll be interesting to see.
18:26
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm looking forward to it.
18:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think isn't next week to remain, that's when he can come off IR.
18:33
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a possible game.
18:34
[SPEAKER_00]: He's eligible, yeah.
18:35
[SPEAKER_00]: But they haven't given any indication.
18:37
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see after this game, I guess.
18:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but hopefully, hopefully that was a plan all along.
18:42
[SPEAKER_00]: That'd be wonderful.
18:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, if we can get him back and then obviously Rome, we had the injury report come out today.
18:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Rome was listed as limited for a walk through with that foot injury.
18:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's that was a huge loss, too.
18:57
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's our number one receiver.
18:58
[SPEAKER_01]: He's Caleb's go-to guy.
18:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Luther Burton stepped up, he had a nice game.
19:02
[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, you'd like to have RealM out there to catch some important balls.
19:06
[SPEAKER_01]: That affect things, too.
19:07
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, one possession game came down effectively to one play would, too, if we would have gone for two at the end.
19:13
[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, you know, a lot's been talked, we really don't have probably anything fresh to add about that final play.
19:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you watch the tape and
19:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Cole was open.
19:23
[SPEAKER_01]: If Caleb throws that just a little bit earlier, he got a little bit more field, you know, that's a touchdown.
19:30
[SPEAKER_01]: By the time he threw it, he ended through it, but it was also probably a little late and so man, it was it was it was there just didn't quite get it.
19:37
[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's all amplified because it's green bay and you know, everything over the last 25 to 30 years with green bay.
19:43
[SPEAKER_01]: But you walk away from that game thinking, okay, we lost, but it was a tight game, it was a competitive game, and we get to plan again in two weeks and split the series potentially.
19:53
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I think that was our hope going into the year, as I said a little bit ago, split it with them.
19:57
[SPEAKER_01]: You feel pretty good.
19:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Got to win this game against Cleveland, though.
20:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is,
20:03
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not a good team by any means.
20:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they just lost at home to the worst team in the league.
20:09
[SPEAKER_01]: They have some players for sure.
20:10
[SPEAKER_00]: They'd be, they did lose the browser, right?
20:13
[SPEAKER_00]: It was 31, 29 tight in the stand.
20:15
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it would cleave them.
20:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're right.
20:17
[SPEAKER_01]: They had a chance.
20:18
[SPEAKER_01]: They scored late.
20:19
[SPEAKER_01]: They weren't for two, but they missed it.
20:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Now,
20:23
[SPEAKER_01]: There was a lot of really dumb penalties, combined by the Titans down the stretch, like personal files, face masks, all kinds of stuff that was really, really sent in the Browns down the field.
20:34
[SPEAKER_01]: It like that last drive, I wanna say, I'm just gonna have memory.
20:38
[SPEAKER_01]: It felt like half of the yards were penalty yards, but they get all the way down there and then Chador made a nice throw to the left corner of the end zone to pull within two.
20:48
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they went for two and they didn't get it.
20:50
[SPEAKER_01]: So I am losing my two points.
20:51
[SPEAKER_01]: But look, I mean, Titans are not good.
20:53
[SPEAKER_01]: So they got some players, but you just cannot lose to Cleveland at home with Cleveland coming off of a home loss against the Tennessee Titans.
21:01
[SPEAKER_01]: You just can't do it.
21:02
[SPEAKER_01]: So this needs to be a get right game.
21:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope they're not overlooking them and just thinking about Green Bay and that rematch.
21:08
[SPEAKER_01]: You got to get this win, get to 10 wins overall, then you get Green Bay coming to town and get your revenge because
21:15
[SPEAKER_01]: The the nice thing about the Green Bay series, it started in Green Bay, it finishes in Chicago.
21:21
[SPEAKER_01]: If they beat them in Chicago, no one's even thinking about that loss at Lambo anymore, because that's going to be unless we play them in the playoffs.
21:28
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the last one people going to remember until next season.
21:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
21:30
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so ultimately, if you could win one of the two, I guess I'd probably choose to win the one in Chicago.
21:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, or the later one in the season, you know, and that checks both boxes.
21:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're right.
21:42
[SPEAKER_00]: And and
21:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think Cleveland is going to be a tough challenge.
21:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Quinshan, Judge, can see runs similar to Josh Jacobs.
21:54
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they're kind of built similarly stout, you know, five, ten, ish, five, nine, five, ten.
22:02
[SPEAKER_00]: but real stout guys, real shifty, and Shidorah has been, he's obviously he's only got a couple of starts under his bell, but he looked like he was comfortable against the Titans.
22:14
[SPEAKER_00]: But the thing I thought I thought was interesting, most interesting about that game, and this is my one takeaway, you know, you go back to Final Play and Green Bay.
22:22
[SPEAKER_00]: We've dissected his options, and he should have thrown it to DJ, should he?
22:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Should have hit DeAndre, you know, could he hit Cole, or why are you freaking passing the ball?
22:35
[SPEAKER_00]: It's my fault.
22:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
22:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Why are you passing the ball?
22:39
[SPEAKER_00]: All week long, you've known their weakness is up front in the middle.
22:42
[SPEAKER_00]: We were, and we didn't run it in the first half well.
22:46
[SPEAKER_00]: All of our yardage and success came in the second half.
22:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Why stop?
22:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
22:52
[SPEAKER_00]: And Mike at Parsons even alluded to, he was kind of surprised that they were passing the ball to given the timing down in distance, all that.
23:01
[SPEAKER_00]: The Andre sweat had like 4.8 yards of carry.
23:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Monungaia was not too far behind him.
23:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
23:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Run the damn ball.
23:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's the one thing I would say.
23:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we can digest this, this, that.
23:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Man, just pound the rock like sometimes I feel like coaches overthink it and that pisses me off They were gasped man green Bay has not their defenses not been gas like that all season like the they might have won the game But like the bears beat them up.
23:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean they were they were running it down their throat And God damn that I don't know we didn't end up really gaining yards on the play but that play where Oh my god, I like broke that helmet.
23:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah
23:42
[SPEAKER_01]: God, like, yeah, and you know, the play before third and one, think it was my non-guy, he ran it, and you know, I'm sure they expect to get the first down there, and he got stopped short.
23:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Go back and watch that play.
23:54
[SPEAKER_01]: That was a terrible spot.
23:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it was so bad.
23:57
[SPEAKER_01]: I, I wonder if it would have been worth challenging, be honest with you.
24:00
[SPEAKER_01]: it was at least a half a yard short because if you watch that play where he comes down and I'm don't get me wrong.
24:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying we lost because the officials, but it was a bad spot.
24:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Like at least a half a yard short of where he was.
24:12
[SPEAKER_01]: You watch it.
24:13
[SPEAKER_01]: He comes down on his back.
24:15
[SPEAKER_01]: It's clear where the ball is.
24:16
[SPEAKER_01]: They marked him way short of where he was.
24:18
[SPEAKER_01]: He probably didn't have the first.
24:20
[SPEAKER_01]: He was a lot closer than the spot wasn't a final play and you know if you moved that up a half yard maybe they do run it.
24:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but yeah, I agree.
24:27
[SPEAKER_01]: You run the ball and then you have four shots at the end zone.
24:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and the issue is, and this is, I mean, it's kind of, I haven't even really thought about this since the game, but but Caleb threw it 35 times on Sunday.
24:40
[SPEAKER_00]: We ran it 32 times.
24:42
[SPEAKER_00]: That's unacceptable.
24:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
24:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Point blank unacceptable in that game.
24:47
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, uh, and I, I love putting the ball on Caleb's hands, like I, I love that.
24:52
[SPEAKER_00]: And, and I think Caleb is so clutch.
24:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I think, and I wrote it in my game after notes, like there were three or four plays that were iconic from a, uh, a bear's quarterback, you know, history books, highlight real.
25:13
[SPEAKER_00]: insane throws a he made.
25:16
[SPEAKER_00]: So I get it.
25:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't fault him for it.
25:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, yes, we need to start fast.
25:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he needs to hit his receivers and stride more.
25:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Just connect with him accuracy wise, but but run the damn ball man run the ball.
25:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Like we're we're we're closing the game out.
25:32
[SPEAKER_00]: You're milk in the clock.
25:33
[SPEAKER_00]: We still got time.
25:34
[SPEAKER_00]: I think two time out to the time.
25:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Run the freaking ball grow and and we didn't do that and here we are, but
25:41
[SPEAKER_00]: But my point is I can't believe how much yardage the the browns led up last week on the ground to a guy that in my opinion has a similar skill set to swift and that is powered.
25:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Paul, it's the month they made them look like Barry Sanders.
25:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, it was he was all over the place in that game, man.
26:02
[SPEAKER_01]: It was it was insane how I think he averaged like over six yards of carry and they got six point four yards per carry.
26:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Spears had some nice carries too.
26:10
[SPEAKER_01]: He ended up with only 19 yards, but he had a couple nice carries.
26:13
[SPEAKER_01]: He had one of those about 10 yards or so.
26:15
[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, come in and relieve the polar 25 carries for 161 yards.
26:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe that was the most yards he's ever run for.
26:22
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like seven or eight year long career.
26:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to shout out Seemack in the chat because he sent us a super chat.
26:29
[SPEAKER_01]: So thank you Seemack 64 for the super chat.
26:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Browns are going to fail.
26:34
[SPEAKER_01]: I sure hope so.
26:36
[SPEAKER_01]: I sure hope so.
26:37
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope you're right.
26:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Anthony in the chat.
26:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think the weather changes the game plan?
26:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was going to be cold in the green day.
26:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought they're going to run it more than they did because of the weather, but yeah, as you said, 35 passing plays was pretty surprising.
26:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I mean, we did get down.
26:53
[SPEAKER_01]: So, but even when we weren't down here, it was still a game.
26:57
[SPEAKER_01]: We were talking about in the Wendy City Gridiron Slack and, you know, a text and everything.
27:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Couldn't believe how little they were running the ball in the first half.
27:04
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was like the few times that they did, they were getting big chunks, like run the ball, run the ball.
27:09
[SPEAKER_01]: What are we doing?
27:10
[SPEAKER_01]: And then finally in the second half, start running the ball and sharing off.
27:13
[SPEAKER_01]: That's when we make the comeback and often starts working.
27:16
[SPEAKER_01]: So I hope they take that into account next time against Green Bay, but also this week, because yeah, when I was watching that Brown's Titans tape, I was like, man, looking what Polars doing.
27:29
[SPEAKER_01]: we should be able to run all over the defense, Cleveland, and so I think there's going to be a lot of opportunities.
27:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the same thing.
27:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would say does weather change it?
27:39
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I think the weather encourages them to stick with what they do.
27:43
[SPEAKER_00]: And one of the things Ben talked about was the weather shouldn't affect them because they've been practicing in this, but it's just what they practice.
27:51
[SPEAKER_00]: So run the ball, assert their domination, because that's the thing, man, it's like, well, we've talked about identity at Nazium and maybe not even us on this show as much, but but the bears and the bears beat writers and the coaches and and what is your idea?
28:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Our our team's identity right now is running the football and beating up bludgeoning the other team and then Caleb with his
28:16
[SPEAKER_00]: insane arsenal and and the weapons around him to score points.
28:23
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and as we've said, man, we've not clicked.
28:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Caleb has not the whole team has not clicked yet.
28:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Still not.
28:31
[SPEAKER_00]: But but we've been able to get the wins.
28:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, against a playoff team like Green Bay, it's not going to happen.
28:37
[SPEAKER_00]: that comes ready to play like they did.
28:40
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Philadelphia's a playoff team, but they didn't come ready to play this week either.
28:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Excuse me.
28:45
[SPEAKER_00]: So, um, but...
28:47
[SPEAKER_00]: but we've been winning.
28:48
[SPEAKER_00]: We got to tighten these things up and I think last week and I think this week is going to be really an opportunity to tighten things up again against a really good defense.
28:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited to see how Caleb and crew responds, but hopefully Ben sticks to the script and runs the ball early and often and then takes some shots deep.
29:06
[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, where the heck was DJ?
29:08
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a question I have for you.
29:11
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't know what's gone on with each of this here.
29:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they clearly don't view him as their top option.
29:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's Rome.
29:18
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been clear.
29:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Watch who they is.
29:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it Ben?
29:21
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a big scale up like as Caleb's the one that's throwing the balls.
29:25
[SPEAKER_00]: He's the one deciding who to throw too.
29:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Ben, I think just Ben doesn't view him in that way.
29:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I think, you know, he's a guy, I think DJ's a guy that they try to get the ball to and like, you know, like, they run the reverse to him, you know, doing the screens, like he's kind of like the debo for the bears, but you know, Rome is that big body possession guy that he, he seems to trust the most as like best route runner number one receiver doesn't mean that they're not trying to go to DJ at certain moments, but like
29:59
[SPEAKER_01]: What is it 28 million a year or something like that?
30:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, well, I mean, it's pretty much a foregone conclusion.
30:06
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not going to be back next year.
30:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't think any way and and you know to that point.
30:13
[SPEAKER_00]: There's some other guys too, like nationwide right.
30:15
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's going to be back to quam brisk or I don't think it's going to be back.
30:27
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, yes, we'll have some past rush help next year.
30:32
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll have some, you know, maybe an enforcement and left tackle, maybe another running back, right?
30:37
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to get some guys, but we're going to lose some guys too.
30:40
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is the last chance we're going to have with this group at this age of their careers and stage of their careers to make some noise.
30:49
[SPEAKER_00]: And I agree with you.
30:53
[SPEAKER_00]: more complete roster next year.
30:55
[SPEAKER_00]: But if we can play complete football right and get some guys back and play complete complimentary football, strong defense not turn the ball over, run the ball, stop the run, get a turnover to nobody wants to play us.
31:12
[SPEAKER_00]: They shouldn't want to play us.
31:14
[SPEAKER_00]: And everybody this year seems beatable as well.
31:17
[SPEAKER_00]: So
31:18
[SPEAKER_00]: this year still could happen, but like I said, like we need to play complete ball.
31:25
[SPEAKER_00]: And so this week is is the chance to make that happen at home after Green Bay loss, Caleb let's see what you got because DJ needs to be involved.
31:34
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not going to be here next year, but he's still a heck of a ball player.
31:37
[SPEAKER_00]: He's still a love Chicago plays in Chicago, whether he's done it before.
31:40
[SPEAKER_00]: So get him involved.
31:41
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you can't, I'm sorry, but that's on Ben Johnson.
31:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Like everybody likes to throw their flowers at Ben Johnson, rightfully so he's had, he's had an amazing season so far, exceeded my expectations and they were high.
31:54
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you can't get DJ more the ball, that's on you because it's not, they can't succeed in this league, he's done it.
32:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so you shouldn't be handicapping an offense especially one that's as flexible and powerful as yours.
32:13
[SPEAKER_00]: just to get somebody the ball.
32:15
[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, and yeah, it's gotta be some on Caleb too, but I blame that on Ben and so, you know, Ben makes something happen, get DJ the ball.
32:24
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't necessarily think he's the answer this week, I think we need to pound it again.
32:27
[SPEAKER_00]: But.
32:28
[SPEAKER_00]: But I would like to see DJ more involved for sure, but to your point earlier, I love what I saw from Luther, man I love what I saw from Luther Both in the box score and just on the film like he was just he was he was he was getting in guys faces You know, he was mixed in he was ready.
32:45
[SPEAKER_00]: He was here for the rivalry man.
32:47
[SPEAKER_00]: He had a chip on his shoulder and he was backing it up And he looked like our best receiver.
32:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was awesome
32:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Now he's got to be a little careful grabbing dudes by the neck.
32:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm stunned he didn't like that now, but he'd love to see it and that you know the Bears Packers were like, this guy's first Bears Packers game and he's totally bought it.
33:05
[SPEAKER_01]: He could sell man.
33:06
[SPEAKER_01]: He was having none of it.
33:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
33:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and Anthony asked in the chat.
33:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Are we trading DJ and Kyler?
33:12
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's going to be a market for DJ to get traded.
33:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody's going to want that guy.
33:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's an ultra skilled wide receiver is just the bears have a wealth of wide receivers right now and if he's not going to be their number one option.
33:25
[SPEAKER_01]: There's certainly spent a lot of money now on, you know, towards the cat, you just can't be paying him that kind of money if you're building a championship contending team.
33:32
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I think they will be, I think it'll be looking to trade him and I forgot about the massive extension that Kyler signed and I believe that was both.
33:43
[SPEAKER_00]: before there's less past off season so Ben had it on a chance to coach me.
33:47
[SPEAKER_00]: But he's signed through 2022.
33:49
[SPEAKER_00]: So he just needs to get his butt healthy.
33:53
[SPEAKER_00]: But it'll be fascinating to see, you know, what they do with, I think briskers gone personally.
33:59
[SPEAKER_00]: I think CJ would, should rightfully take his spot.
34:03
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, give him some low flexibility.
34:04
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think they address safety in the draft as well because buyers are getting up there.
34:08
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, buyers have been our best player.
34:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe on the whole team this year.
34:10
[SPEAKER_00]: But he's getting older and he can't sustain this.
34:14
[SPEAKER_00]: So, but yeah, as far as D.J.
34:16
[SPEAKER_00]: is concerned, there will be a market.
34:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we trade him.
34:20
[SPEAKER_00]: My guess is maybe the second round pick.
34:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I have for luck, you probably third, you know, just because that's the nature of the business, but offload that contract get an extra third round pick.
34:29
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that's what I'm saying.
34:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Like they take advantage of the talent.
34:32
[SPEAKER_00]: What you have right now.
34:34
[SPEAKER_00]: And, and, and, and not to mention, you know, raise the price tag and, and so doing.
34:39
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, a lot of football left to be played and he needs to be involved.
34:44
[SPEAKER_00]: That's for sure.
34:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
34:46
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, Cleveland Browns, Shidorah Sanders, he's playing now.
37:17
[SPEAKER_01]: We've seen some things from Shidorah.
37:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, man, watching his tape last week.
37:22
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't watched a lot of him.
37:24
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he hasn't played the whole season obviously, but I watched last week's game.
37:28
[SPEAKER_01]: And like you see some of the similarities in the way he moves to Caleb, there was a couple of circumstances where look like the Titans had him dead to rights and he ducked out of there and spun out of there.
37:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Just like Caleb does.
37:40
[SPEAKER_01]: hit some nice long passes, hit a lot of passes underneath though, too.
37:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, you know, I noticed early on that the Titans were playing a lot of man defense and he had no problem against man, but when they switched to zone, literally one of the very first plays when the Titans went to zone, he threw a pick.
38:02
[SPEAKER_01]: So what does that mean for our bears?
38:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think the bears are like top 10 and the league and man defense percentage.
38:08
[SPEAKER_01]: So for what I saw on the tape, you know, Shador struggles a little bit more with his own.
38:14
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, he showed he can make plays.
38:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, he made that nice throw to the end zone to pull within two at the end of the game.
38:20
[SPEAKER_01]: He gets the Titans, they didn't up time.
38:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Did not end up tying it.
38:22
[SPEAKER_01]: But he's a gamer, man.
38:24
[SPEAKER_01]: He can make the throws.
38:26
[SPEAKER_01]: He's an athlete.
38:27
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a personality, obviously.
38:29
[SPEAKER_01]: How do you feel by going up against Shador Sanders?
38:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he's got, he's got some talent around him.
38:34
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, this is a run first team.
38:35
[SPEAKER_00]: They've been pound in the rock all year, Quinshawn Judkins' claim, arguably the best football of any running back in his first year this season across the league.
38:48
[SPEAKER_00]: So, and they've got another rookie I really like and Dylan Samson, who is more of a past catching threat.
38:55
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's got weapons.
38:57
[SPEAKER_00]: He's got some weapons at receiver, not so many.
39:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's really they're going to go in the first round this year.
39:02
[SPEAKER_00]: They do have Jerry Judy who finally looked like like his former self this past week with Shidorah.
39:09
[SPEAKER_00]: But a guy I'm really high on that's Harold Fan and Junior from Bowling Green, third round rookie tight-end.
39:14
[SPEAKER_00]: He can kind of do it all.
39:15
[SPEAKER_00]: They move him around all over.
39:17
[SPEAKER_00]: They've been doing it since preseason.
39:19
[SPEAKER_00]: And
39:20
[SPEAKER_00]: And he sets up some matchup problems and and Shador just gets his guys the ball.
39:25
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the Browns have have pretty much had a real strong offensive line for a little while now.
39:32
[SPEAKER_00]: And so when you when you pair a young quarterback with solid offensive line, good run game, and some some complicated piece, complementary pieces, good things can happen.
39:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Granted, you're not going to play the worst.
39:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Titan's team every week, but Shador's confidence is sky high right now and and so we've got to we've got to kind of bring him back down earth.
39:54
[SPEAKER_00]: He can escape, you know, maybe that tackle like Caleb, but he can't run away from defenses like Caleb Cannon and so you know, Booker has got to be on
40:10
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm not too worried about, again, I think it's going to be a great game as far as they don't do anything too crazy, but they do it well, so we're going to have to be on our game to get to come with the win and we absolutely need to get a win because the rest of our games, the remainder of this season are brutal, but but I definitely think we should we should be be Cleveland and hopefully, you know, kind of.
40:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Remind Shador.
40:39
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a rookie.
40:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe even give him a good rookie moment or two, but um, you know, I'm just excited to see how this team responds, man.
40:46
[SPEAKER_00]: We've been playing so well and we have not lost.
40:50
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is our only fourth loss all year.
40:52
[SPEAKER_00]: We lost to the Ravens and then went on another streak.
40:55
[SPEAKER_00]: And so how are we going to lose the biggest game, the most emotionally high and draining game of the year against the Packers?
41:03
[SPEAKER_00]: that game got flexed right like it had playoff feel it was inlambo they hate us like how did they respond how does it's Ben Johnson lead team respond and I've just been so impressed with Ben as a leader I feel like this is going to be one of those games where we just dominate start to finish and as our most complete games sort of thing and I could you know I could see
41:31
[SPEAKER_00]: a week or so ago regarding Mike.
41:34
[SPEAKER_00]: The thing I trust about Ben is he puts our guys in position to not be one-on-one or
41:41
[SPEAKER_00]: on an island, whatever, with the best players.
41:45
[SPEAKER_00]: He schemes protections.
41:47
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what the Packers decordinated well is he changed some things up, gave us some unscouted looks to get mica by himself.
42:00
[SPEAKER_00]: But we adjusted and we did well.
42:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think that any of Jim Schwartz is a defense coordinator in Cleveland, who I like him a lot, but I think we need to stick to what we do, run the ball, and get to your weapons, get Luther, get DJ involved, and it's make a statement, man.
42:20
[SPEAKER_00]: It's win this game by a solid three touchdown plus margin, and tune up for the green big game and soldier field.
42:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, man.
42:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we know that we haven't had many of those types of games on these parts in a while and this year really only one was the Dallas game, but man yeah, it does feel like it could be one of those games where we pull away early and it's never really end out and I would love that my stress level would love that so much we could just pound Cleveland and.
42:49
[SPEAKER_01]: feel really good and gain some more momentum going back, you know, against Green Bay.
42:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, like Tennessee, a bad team, but, you know, they got some players to and Jeffrey Simmons, a guy who we've seen the bears linked to in trade rumors in the past, he had a huge game against Cleveland.
43:06
[SPEAKER_01]: One and a half sacks, three cuby hits past deflected seven, and he was in there all the time.
43:12
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, there could be opportunities for
43:14
[SPEAKER_01]: The middle this D line to to get right Dexter shirt certainly owes us after his missed forearm tackle against Jacob's there at the end of the game and the play your efforts a little bit ago that kind of decided the game.
43:28
[SPEAKER_01]: If the middle of our D-Line could do something in this game, that would be nice.
43:31
[SPEAKER_01]: And we saw a Simmons of D.T.
43:33
[SPEAKER_01]: do some of that against Cleveland last week.
43:35
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, it could be some opportunities you mentioned it.
43:37
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a pretty stout D-Line, though.
43:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, we talked about the rushing attack.
43:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Tony Pollard for Tennessee had his best game ever in his pro career against Cleveland.
43:49
[SPEAKER_01]: So certainly, I think Swift and Mnongai can
43:51
[SPEAKER_01]: go to town on this line if we stick with the run.
43:55
[SPEAKER_01]: They ran it right at Miles Garrett.
43:58
[SPEAKER_01]: They are right on his side a lot of the time and just blue.
44:01
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he seemed like Garrett was getting at least early.
44:04
[SPEAKER_01]: He was getting back feel like every single play.
44:07
[SPEAKER_01]: They were barely even pausing him as
44:10
[SPEAKER_01]: was rushing the quarterback or going up against the run.
44:14
[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, they just ran right to use plan mostly on his right side, and they were running the ball right over there, constantly.
44:22
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, Pollard was blown by him.
44:24
[SPEAKER_01]: So, let me opportunity to run the ball.
44:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Shadour.
44:28
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like I was saying, he made some plays, but like, you know, people been talking a lot about past completion rate here in Chicago and around the country.
44:36
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he didn't have a great completion rate against Tennessee.
44:40
[SPEAKER_01]: There was a, he had a lot of yards, 365 yards passing.
44:43
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of that was yard after the catch.
44:45
[SPEAKER_01]: His dudes ran with the ball.
44:47
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they were, they're getting a lot of yards that way too.
44:50
[SPEAKER_01]: You mentioned fan and junior hit 114 yards receiving in that game and it touched him.
44:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Judy had a touchdown 76 yards receiving, but yeah, we we're going to need we're going to need that secondary to play a whole lot better than they did against Green Bay, and I think they will.
45:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, any point out those errors all week and we'll be ready for Cleveland.
45:09
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, should we do predictions right now?
45:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and before we get to it, I just want to, I just, I've said a couple of times I like the Browns, they're one of my favorite teams this year, because I love their rookie class.
45:21
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got Shador, we were to talk about Quinshawn and the other running back Dylan Samson, Fan and Juniors are rookie, I love, you've got Mason Graham, who is their first pick.
45:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Mason Graham, I love the Detacco out of Michigan, a lot of us talked about wanting him in Chicago this year, but he went like top five.
45:37
[SPEAKER_00]: and then arguably the defensive rookie of the year front runner is Carson switching here.
45:42
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's heck of a lineback from UCLA, six guys.
45:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I really, really, really like to watch play and they're all playing well.
45:53
[SPEAKER_00]: And
45:55
[SPEAKER_00]: So I just love young fresh energy and league.
45:57
[SPEAKER_00]: And I liked all those guys in college and it's cool to see one team strike on our sorry, swing and strike gold on all those players.
46:09
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm going to say 31, 31, 14.
46:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, the divers, uh, and this one.
46:21
[SPEAKER_01]: That would be nice.
46:22
[SPEAKER_01]: That would feel nice.
46:23
[SPEAKER_01]: 31 14.
46:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
46:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm going to go bigger.
46:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Tennessee put up 31.
46:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to say, I'm going to say 38 17 bears.
46:36
[SPEAKER_01]: 38 of a 38 17.
46:38
[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll be feeling good on the podcast.
46:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, if we if we don't win this game Brian, I'm going to need something really hard to drink next week because you know, you are already.
46:49
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be a few polls of that because you mentioned, I mean, we got four games left.
46:55
[SPEAKER_01]: bare minimum, they gotta go two and two.
46:58
[SPEAKER_01]: And you'd like to win three.
47:00
[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen some of these playoff machines, if the bears get to 12 wins, it's like nearly impossible for them to miss playoffs.
47:07
[SPEAKER_01]: They could actually miss out with 11 wins.
47:10
[SPEAKER_01]: The NFC is wild this year, but Tanny ain't gonna be enough.
47:12
[SPEAKER_01]: So bare minimum, they gotta go two and two.
47:15
[SPEAKER_01]: And other than this, three really difficult games.
47:19
[SPEAKER_01]: We're lucky in that we get so many of these games at home.
47:22
[SPEAKER_01]: the way the schedule lined up.
47:23
[SPEAKER_01]: We green Bay at home.
47:24
[SPEAKER_01]: We get Detroit at home and this one's at home.
47:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Got to go to San Fran.
47:28
[SPEAKER_01]: But God, you got to have this one.
47:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Because when you look at those other three games and if you lose here in bare minimum, you got to go two and three, it's gonna be tough.
47:36
[SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna be really tough.
47:37
[SPEAKER_01]: So I hope Ben gets him up for this.
47:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Got more faith in him than he coach we've had in a long time.
47:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I think him and the staff will have the bears out for it and the walk away with the W.
47:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm looking forward to it, man, you know, we've always, I've always loved watching the classic NFC North FC North Battles, especially later in the year when the winter time is a year.
47:57
[SPEAKER_00]: And we talked a couple of weeks ago when we played the Ravens how, you know, one of the last times we played was late.
48:03
[SPEAKER_00]: The Sembers are running game.
48:04
[SPEAKER_00]: It was mud everywhere.
48:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Joe Flacco, Jordan Howard just pound the rock, Ravens bears.
48:09
[SPEAKER_00]: And I kind of feel, you know, similar,
48:14
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they came out with an LLS week, so I expect more fire this week.
48:20
[SPEAKER_00]: We've got so much talent.
48:21
[SPEAKER_00]: We have the superior roster and in the coaching.
48:25
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I just I'm excited about this game.
48:27
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's not divisional.
48:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, but what we need it and Ben said we are desperate for this win.
48:34
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I think that needs to show up.
48:37
[SPEAKER_00]: from from the opening kickoff.
48:39
[SPEAKER_00]: And let me just take a moment to say I was very disappointed with the special teams this week, very disappointed all the way around.
48:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Other than Kyro's clutch fuel gold kicks in cold weather, we got to give him credit, right?
48:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he is still dependable as it comes.
48:54
[SPEAKER_00]: But everything else we did not have that urgency, we did not have that that attention to detail,
49:03
[SPEAKER_00]: And high towers got to be, you know, he's got to be gone this off season.
49:09
[SPEAKER_00]: But, um,
49:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Either way, like we need to see it on the screen that we have come out ready to play from the first minute on.
49:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we can't wait against a team like Cleveland.
49:23
[SPEAKER_00]: So my guess is we accept and we return it if we win the toss, if we don't, we need to pummel Chador in a submission, get a pick right away.
49:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's the kind of game we need this game to make a statement.
49:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't let them think they have a chance, even Chador as confident as he might be.
49:39
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, shut him up quick and humble him.
49:44
[SPEAKER_00]: And I like him.
49:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm a shador fan.
49:47
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he might be a little bit, you know, brash, but but but I like him.
49:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm rooting for him, but not this week.
49:54
[SPEAKER_00]: He needs to get he needs to get shut up.
49:56
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm excited for the opportunity for us to kind of have this get right game and then get right back to Green Bay, but we can't overlook this one.
50:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think Ben Johnson probably can't wait to get rid of Richard Hytower.
50:10
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, his here's a guy who was a holdover from, you know, the last staff and what I mean, just constant issues with with coverage all year long and like to Cairo, dude, you can't be having a kick off and land short of the landing zone.
50:26
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, spotting them out of the fair.
50:28
[SPEAKER_00]: He hit a player this week too.
50:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Kick the team.
50:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, 40, you started them at the 40 and they scored like four plays later.
50:34
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that, I mean, my god, that, yeah, special teams was terrible.
50:39
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't handed out a special teams game ball in a while.
50:42
[SPEAKER_01]: There has been much to write home about in my column.
50:45
[SPEAKER_01]: We got a Browns fan in the chat and, you know, he's picking the Browns to win.
50:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Go back and list the show.
50:51
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we like your team.
50:52
[SPEAKER_01]: We like a lot of players on your team.
50:53
[SPEAKER_01]: We just we can't have it.
50:54
[SPEAKER_01]: The bears are the more talented roster to Brian's point.
50:58
[SPEAKER_01]: There's just a different point from the Browns right now.
51:00
[SPEAKER_01]: And bears got to find a way to win this game.
51:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
51:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Ah, hold on.
51:03
[SPEAKER_01]: That lost.
51:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
51:05
[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see what happens, but hopefully they can then get the W in frigid soldier field, a negative 15 or whatever it's going to end up being.
51:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, man.
51:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I, this is one of those games where you're like, okay, I'd be cool with a indoor stadium for the air, so I wouldn't even consider going to it.
51:23
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, yeah, and hard pressure, we, we wish you guys the best of luck.
51:29
[SPEAKER_01]: He's our Browns fan in the chat.
51:31
[SPEAKER_01]: The rest of the way, just not this week.
51:32
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not this one.
51:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, a bright future, which has been allowed to say that, but yeah, not this week, and you know, hopefully, you know, so the young players make some plays, like I said, I'm real big.
51:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I call them.
51:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Swedshead.
51:50
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a guy.
51:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, you guys might remember him on here.
51:54
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the fullbacks, long time fullbacks for Barry Sanders, Corey slushing her,
52:02
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I kind of view Carson Sweshinger, the same way it comes, Swedgehead.
52:09
[SPEAKER_00]: A big Swedgehead fan on defense, huge, amazing grand fan.
52:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, Miles Garrett is a beast.
52:15
[SPEAKER_00]: And Denzel Ward, obviously one of the best at the corner to do it as well.
52:21
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I love, you know, I'm running back.
52:22
[SPEAKER_00]: So I love huge fan of Quinshawn and Dylan Sampson, already talked about Shador, Harold Fanon, there's a guy that can get carries.
52:29
[SPEAKER_00]: He can go through a lot.
52:29
[SPEAKER_00]: They put them all over, full back, tight-end, and wire receiver, and she should do her loves him.
52:34
[SPEAKER_00]: And he, did you know Harold Fanon leads, leads from tight-end position in broken tackles?
52:41
[SPEAKER_00]: He is a guy that's not going to go down, so Briscar better wrap up because he might get shut up real quick against his hero fan and guy, so and the whole our whole defense and not just him, but I trust buyer to wrap up more than do Briscar, but it's going to be a tall task, but it's one that we need to step up to the challenge, and I think we will, based on what I've seen so far from this team and the coaching staff, but the Browns have a bright future.
53:11
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, for the bears, this team that's been leading the league in turnovers to on defense.
53:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Cleveland turned the ball over against Tennessee.
53:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I mentioned, she doors interception.
53:20
[SPEAKER_01]: They fumble a couple of times.
53:22
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's going to be plays to be made for our defense to get those turnovers, which is one of the keys to our victories this year.
53:28
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, hopefully we see a little bit of that.
53:30
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, it's your point on.
53:32
[SPEAKER_01]: The Browns, I was kind of thinking about that.
53:33
[SPEAKER_01]: You watch in that game, they're playing at home.
53:35
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, one of those kind of old school franchisees just like us and be like, yeah, I'd be pretty fun to see the Browns have solid team again.
53:42
[SPEAKER_01]: We like that when the old school franchisees are good.
53:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Just not this week, just not this week.
53:49
[SPEAKER_01]: So, all right, I think that's about it, Brian.
53:53
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see how we're feeling next week after this one.
53:55
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53:57
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54:04
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54:08
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54:08
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54:11
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54:13
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54:32
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54:39
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54:40
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54:42
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