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A History of UFO Deception · Ryder Lee

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Imagine world where you can see anyone, go anywhere, do anything. Are
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the Florida Alliance Sure President assures the uprising booming down with swiftly writer. Welcome
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back, how you doing. Good to see you, Chris. Thanks for
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having me on. Been a minute, but we're here. Make this bad
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boy happen. Yes, sir, we are definitely gonna make this bad boy
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happen. It's great to talk with you again. Today. I thought we
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can get into the unfortunate state of conspiracy culture, the truth movement in general,
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and realms of paranormal and UFOs as well, and some of the unfortunate
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things that are occurring as far as broadcasting and information presentation and accuracy of information
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in general. There's a lot of intentional muddying of waters going on as usual,
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but it seems to be picking up and flooding a lot of the airwaves,
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more than we've seen before. As it relates to this strain era that
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we have entered into with conspiracies and UFOs and everything that's occurring right now,
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we're at a pivotal point with people's understanding of unexplained realms in general, and
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because more people are becoming interested in this, and because more people are becoming
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aware that not only are they being deceived and lied to by the government,
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but even what they consider trusted sources of media and alternative media, it's really
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important that we try and stick to what we know as facts as much as
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possible, and if we do have experiences and we do have theories, we
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present them in a responsible way. Now, there's a lot to get into
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with this, and before we do, remind the audience a little bit about
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yourself and your show. Well, that was an amazing intro, and it
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really does seem like that the conspiracy community and the truth or community is a
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one giant regurgitation, like things happen a couple of years ago, and then
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they regurgitate the same information. Nothing's really changed, and then it's like a
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revolving door of it's like a carousel of nonsense that was never really proven to
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begin with. And I agree with that fact that if you're talking theory and
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speculation, you should say this is theory, this is speculation, there's no
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proof, there's no evidence for what I'm about to say, because that lets
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the audience know what exactly what you're talking about. And I try and do
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that often with my show when I'm talking about you know, theology or spirituality
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or things like that, because none of that or anything metaphysical, because none
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of that stuff is like proven, it's all speculation and theory. So it's
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important to just throw that out there, like when you're talking about your person
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some theories, like hey, this is this is speculation, this is theory,
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but this is what I personally believe, because because there's a difference between
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belief and fact, right, and there's also a difference between belief and faith.
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So my name's writer Lee. I host and produce a YouTube channel podcast
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called Raised by Giants, And uh, that's what I really try and do
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is I've been labeling it as something different now for my show is like an
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alternative take to the alternative community, right, because we've let theory and speculation
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get so far out of hand that I personally believe that it it's to make
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people easily fooled by scammers, grifters, fraudsters that really prefer the lie,
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and they bring no evidence or approve and it's all assertions and accusations, right,
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And this could turn into a group or government could use these modern myths
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and these theories and weaponize them that could be bent upon the destruction and undermining
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of morality and common sense and critical thinking in our society. Right. The
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deceptiveness and the miss and disinformation that is currently revolving around this community, especially
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in the contact ye community and the ufology in general, when you track back
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a lot of these things, you realize that it's all based on a lot
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of nonsense, you know. And really the first contact ee that is documented
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was this gentleman named Samuel Eaton Thompson in nineteen fifty and no one ever talks
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about him because they've never even heard about him because his story was overshadowed by
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Kenneth Arnold's sightings in nineteen forty seven, which Kinneth Tharnald is a completely a
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different story which I'm sure we'll get into here in a little bit. But
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and then later on with Betty and Barney Hill in nineteen sixty one. And
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it's just like no one talks about George van Tassel, right, who was
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the first person to claim contact with Ashtar in nineteen fifty two, or even
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George King from the a Theorist Society, or Dorothy Martin from the seekers Ufo
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cult in nineteen fifty four. But this supposed contacting movement has brought about a
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wave, giant wave, and a tornado of theories and speculation that you know,
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it's hard to navigate through. You have to navigate through so much nonsense
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to get to the bottom of a lot of this stuff. And for that
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reason, it seems like to me, Chris, that people they don't really
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want to know the truth because the truth isn't as spectacular as they want it
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to be. You know, it's not this fairy tale, it's not this
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giant mystery, but people try to make it out to be like a mystery.
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And you can use the example of like Ancient Aliens, right the show
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on the History Channel Ancient Aliens. That doesn't give you any more information,
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It just fuels more speculation. There's hardly any facts in the entire show,
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so it gets your imagination going. And they pretty much blame everything on aliens.
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And when you blame everything on aliens and extraterrestrials, it serves to cover
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up what's really happening. That I would say ninety nine percent of this and
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I'm leaving some room for maybe some unexplainable things, maybe a one percent there,
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but a solid I could confidently say ninety nine percent of this stuff is
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humans doing this to other humans. And if you don't believe that humans are
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savage and our beasts, you can look at the Amazon and see how some
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of these tribes are living. They are savages and they're existing at the same
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time that we have this technologically advanced society going on, but they've been enclosed
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in a tight knit space and they don't really know what's going on outside of
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some of those tribal islands. And at the bare root of humanity, we
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are savages. If you take away all of our technology, you take away
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our homes, and we're living in the wild again, that animal instinct,
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in the savage nature of humanity is going to rise up again. The only
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reason that we don't have that is because we have homes, and we have
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a society. We have a way that is organized and a structure to follow.
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But if we didn't have all that, we would go right back to
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being savage human beings. Going back to what we're seeing in the UFO community,
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I'm sure that there are plenty of people who have had very profound experiences
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that are true to them, and they have a piece of a puzzle or
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a level of truth. In general. Something may have happened to them,
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whether it was in their mind, whether it was a projection of consciousness,
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whether they made contact with something. I don't think these experiences are physical in
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any way, and we'll get into that a little bit later. But what
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happens, unfortunately with some of these folks is they fail to gain a true
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understanding of their experience and they get lost in what they're trying to present,
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or they see dollar signs and they see popularity, and that also skews them
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from what the experience was truly about. And then those people start doing conferences,
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those people start doing their own podcasts and talk shows and writing books,
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and the information becomes like an aggrigor It takes on a life of its own
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in the collective consciousness, and then all of a sudden, we're dealing with
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gray aliens and butt probes and things of this nature. So that's the way
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I currently understand a lot of what has unfortunately unraveled in our UFO community where
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we're at now. And a lot of the players that we're seeing come onto
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the scene that were former intelligence and now telling us, oh, these aliens
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are real and you should trust me. Now I'm not intelligence anymore. It's
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okay, interesting times with all of that. What are your thoughts? Well,
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really, when you track back the entire modern sightings of UFOs, you
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can go back to Kenneth Arnold in nineteen forty seven. Now, it's important
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to realize that that's not necessarily where the phenomenon starts. It tracks back way
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back, you know, thousands of years. But it's important to realize that
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they weren't called UFOs or flying saucers back then. There was something completely different.
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You know. It was shields, chariots, pillars and stuff like that.
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And I'm just mentioning that because you know, I realized the history of
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the stuff, and you know, just because I don't mention that it doesn't
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mean that I don't know about it. You know, you always there's always
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one person in these comments sections that think that they're they're smarter than you,
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and you know, they're like, oh, well, it goes by way
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further back than You're just talking about modern times, while I am talking about
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modern times, because modern times is really important. And they'll be like,
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oh, well, the Book of Ezekiel and then the Watchers and all this
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stuff and referencing old the Vedas. They'll be like that, bring up the
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vedas well. The Vedas we're trained draft. And I'm not denying that fact.
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And it's also important for me to say that I'm also not denying the
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fact of people's experiences either. I'm not telling you what to believe, and
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I'm not doubting your experiences. Whatever you think that you've experienced is what you
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experienced. I'm not here to tell you that you didn't experience it. Right.
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But when you go back and you look through a lot of these events
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and you see the history of this phenomenon, you will see that there's a
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lot of government deception that's going on. And it's not government deception in the
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way that people think that it is it's not government deception that they're trying to
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cover up the existence of UFOs and extraterrestrials. They're actually influencing people to believe
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in UFOs and extraterrestrials. Right, it's the opposite of what people think that
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it is. And if if it's really you, if it's really extraterrestrials,
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and it's really these craft are from other worlds and other planets, then they
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would say that it's the military. Right, they would be like, this
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is our staff, this is military craft, this is uh, there's nothing
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to worry about. If indeed it really was extraterrestrial craft and these beings were
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from other planets, they would say that it's the military. Now, if
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it's the military, they are going to say that it's extraterrestrials. They never
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really tell you what it is. They're going to tell you the opposite of
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what it is to confuse you even more. Right, And when you look
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back at Kenneth Arnald's testimony in nineteen forty seven, and people that aren't familiar
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with Kenneth Arnald really briefly on approximately three pm on June twenty fourth, nineteen
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forty seven, Kenneth Arnald. He was piloting his A two plane. Kenneth
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Arnald was an aviator, a businessman, and later on became a politician.
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And he was playing his plane in the skies near Mount Rain, near Washington,
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and he was searching for a missing aircraft and he claimed to have witnessed
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a string of nine objects at approximately ten thousand feet. He said that they
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flew as speeds of what he estimated to be around fifteen hundred miles an hour.
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There's varying. People said to say that it was two thousand miles an
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hour or whatever it is now. After seeing these craft, he then landed
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his plane in Yakima, Washington, and he told his friend, one of
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his friends, about the sighting, and he had shared the story with other
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pilots and other people in the area, and they said that maybe what he
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had saw was military missiles or an experimental military aircraft, which is a pretty
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freaking good explanation, right because what he saw and the later on the drawling,
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the artist's rendition that came out about Kenneth Arnold's sighting looks a lot like
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the b too stealth bomber. I mean, you can look up a picture
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and show it to the audience so that it looks like a prototype for the
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B two stealth bomber, right. But Arnold not really being satisfied with it
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being military missiles or experimental military aircraft. He walked into a local news station
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and he told his story to a gentleman named Nolan Skiff, and Nolan published
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a short article and that really got this flying saucer ball a rolling, right,
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and it really the flying saucer term was born out of that. And
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when you look at Arnold's testimony, he did a lot of interviews and a
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lot of radio shows at that time. But the thing that he never mentioned,
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Kenneth Arnold never mentioned that he never used the term flying saucer to describe
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fix your gut. You said that it was bat shaped, cross and shaped,
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boomerangue shaped, that it lacked tails, that it lacked sunlight, and
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you would say that, you know, his comments on his sightings were misunderstood,
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and he ended up working really hard up into the end of his life,
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and I think he passed away in nineteen eighty four to really combat the
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entire flying saucer narrative. So the sketches Kennetharnold had drew several sketches of the
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craft that he saw. Some of them were like you know, in notes
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and documents which sort of described the shape of the craft that he saw.
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And what had happened was Nolan Skiff, the gentleman that he walked into the
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news station to discuss his sightings with after he had seen the craft. He
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that article was published and then then it was forwarded to the Associated Press,
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and then I got worldwide distribution. And then that article it said that Arnold
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had seen a Salcort like craft, right, and the media took that saucer
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like craft and ran with it. And then they created all these different headlines
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saying that saucer shaped craft were spotted, right when Arnold literally never referred to
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the shape of the craft as saucer and shape it was bat shaped, crescent
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shaped, and would even say a pie pan shaped or pie plate shaped,
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and and and in nineteen sixty Arnold came out and you know, with the
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drawing of the craft. But by the by this time it was too late,
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right, flying saucer had already taken on. It's this whole narrative within
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the media and the craft. The artist rendition of the craft that he's seen
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was a circular was winged in the back. And you would think that maybe
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by this time it would stop. With Arnold coming out with these artists renditions
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of the craft that he's seen that looks nothing like a commonly described flying saucer
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that everyone uses in their thumbnails at all these conferences, uses to describe what
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a UFO looks like, it would stop all that talk. But that would
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be thirteen years after the initial sieting, and by that time it was way
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too late the flying saucer narrative would it was such a big topic with others
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reporting seeing similar craft and calling them flying saucers, and there wasn't any correcting
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the narrative that's at that point, right. It had been spun so heavily
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by the media at that point, and even Arnold is quoted as saying that
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what other people seen at that time was not the same, or it was
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nothing at all. So Arnold was trying to tell people what they were seeing
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during that time. They were making stuff up, right, So this became
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such a frenzy topic with everyone reporting strange craft and Kenneth Arnold telling people,
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you know that they're not seeing the same thing or they're just making it up.
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And in nineteen fifty Arnold really spills the beans on the flying saucer misrepresentation
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and the misquote of that entire thing. And Arnold said that the objects that
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he witnessed fluttered like they were on boats, or they were on really rough
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water. And the next part is very important to understand. He said that
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when they flew, when these craft flew that he saw in nineteen forty seven,
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they flew like a saucer thrown across water. And the newspapers misunderstood that
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quote and misrepresented that quote and quoted him saying that the shape of the craft
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was saucer in shape. When Arnold said that they flew like salt thrown across
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water, they misquoted him. They misquoted the shape of the craft being a
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saucering shape. And when he said that they flew like saucers kipping across water,
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which is probably the biggest misquote and misrepresentation of what anybody has said in
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modern history, right and Arnold, you know, later he completely changed every
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because the influence of other people and other people's ideas, he Arnold would changed
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his thoughts and his ideas about what they were. He was start saying that
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they were, you know, jellyfish like craft and that they could change their
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shape and morph into whatever they wanted you to see. And he would also
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relate that to the Book of Ezekiel, and you know which he was more
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than likely the first to do that in nineteen fifty two, and which also
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Arnold had several other sightings as well as many as eight other sightings after nineteen
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seventy eight, and I mean nineteen forty seven that no one talks about because
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you're focused on his original sighting. But a lot of those sightings seem to
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be him trying to one up hisself because he's seen other people that are getting
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really popular within seeing their sightings. So he's like, oh, well,
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these other people are seeing stuff, so I need to see more stuff too.
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So then his other sightings become He's trying. It's like making a sequel
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to a movie, right, Like, if you're making a sequel to a
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movie, you got to make that movie bigger and better, with more action,
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more, you got to intrigue. And that's what his sightings after his
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initial one in nineteen forty seven tend to do. They get more spectacular one
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after the other, and he seemed to see them every year after his initial
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sighting, which what is the chances of that? Which you know, which
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is a whole other story, and then you can get into the whole what
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the term flying saucer actually was before it was associated with UFOs and flying saucers
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was a sport that predated Arnold's sightings by over sixty years, which was called
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trap shooting, which was started in the late eighteen hundreds as a way to
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you know, train hunters and shooters, and which this gentleman named George Lewitsky
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actually came up with the thought and the idea of to call these little clay
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disc flying saucers. Almost identically to what Kenneth Arnold said about his sightings,
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George Lewhisky said that he came up with the idea of flying saucers by watching
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kids throw saucerers across water in eighteen eighty. Wow, it's the exact same
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thing. It's unbelievab And by the early nineteen hundreds, you know, the
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term and the sport flying saucers had become ridiculously popular. There were competitions,
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there were championships, and there was news headlines that would say the skies of
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North America are covered in flying saucers, and they would fly through the air
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and explode and fall to the ground, which is an exact replica of the
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phrases that everyone thought several decades later with canne Thornal sightings, the Roswell incident,
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and sightings leading up after Cannethornal sightings and shoot. By the twentieth century,
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the name flying saucer was a commonplace name, but it was under something
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completely different than UFOs or what people thought were UFOs. You know. It
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even got so popular that the military even adopted the term flying saucers. To
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train soldiers and target practice in the beginning of World War Two. Then the
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term flying saucer was so interesting and people don't really know what to think of
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this because it's so perplexing. They don't even people that know about it,
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They're like, what is going on here? And I have to say I
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was pretty perplexed by it as well. But the military adopted the term flying
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saucers before World War Two, and then the term flying saucers and trap shooting
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kind of fell out of favor within the public, and then just a few
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years later it gets reimagined but under related to something completely different, which is
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flying saucers in the sky, which is the exact same thing is what flying
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saucers were. Sixty years before Kennethronal sightings, there were flying saucers flying through
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the sky, right, And so you have pigeons being used called flying saucers
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since nineteen eighty, hundreds and hundreds of people being familiar with that term flying
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saucers, but related to something completely different. The military adopting the term the
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practice in their early forties during World War Two, and then two years after
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the war ends, you get the term flying saucer, but under a different
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context. And this is all laid out in a book by Chris Alback that
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I want to give a shout out to really quickly. I've had them on
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my show a few times. The name of his book is Saucerers. In
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the book really lays all this out perfectly. It lays out canethornal sightings,
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it lays out trap shooting and how popular of a sport. This really was
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all the news articles, all the newspaper articles talking about flying saucers and trap
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shooting. So really, what's in my mind, what's going on, is
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that the entire subject of ufology is has been tainted from the very beginning,
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and we've been using the shape of a flying saucer when that was never the
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shape of the craft. It was never described by Arnold as a flying saucer.
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So we've literally had the shape wrong this entire time. So for approximately
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seventy seven years, we've essentially been telling and regurgitating a misrepresentation of what Arnold
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said that he saw, and out of Arnold's own words, what other people
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claim to have saw at that time wasn't the same or and it was nothing
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at all right, And I would challenge anyone to find a quote of Arnold
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saying that the shape of the craft was saucer like, not what other people
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quoted him I was saying, because they obviously got it wrong and misinterpreted his
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words. But find a quote of Arnold himself saying that the craft that he
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witnessed on June twenty fourth, nineteen forty seven was a flying saucer. You
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can't and you won't because it doesn't exist. Now, moving forward a little
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bit in our history, still sticking with the topic of UFO deceptions. For
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those that may not be familiar with the unfortunate tale of Paul Benowitz and Richard
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Dodi's involvement with that, could you give us a little bit of a refresher
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on that. Yes, the case of Paul Benowitz is a very interesting case,
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and we get a lot of the deception and theories and speculation of extraterrestrials
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and UFOs, and excuse me, a lot of the theories are born out
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of Paul Benowitz. And for people that it's not for more familiar with who
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Paul Binnewitz was. He was, he had a bachelor's degree from Arizona State.
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He was in the military, He worked as a radio electronics engineer.
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He was in the Coast Guard. He also worked as an engineer for San
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Francisco CBS and radio station at Tucson. And in nineteen forty nine, well
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nineteen fifty three, Benowitz moved to New Mexico and he started up his own
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sales company, and he founded his own company called Thunder Scientific, and he
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would develop high tech powered type instruments for NASA and for the Air Force,
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which is really important because he has this connection to the Air Force. So
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during the seventies, Benowitz became a member of Arizona's Aerial Phenomenon Research Organization,
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which was a civilian UFO investigation group. And by the mid seventies, cattle
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mutilations and had been heavily associated with UFOs, probably due to Linda Mullenhow's amazing
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investigative journalism into cattle mutilations. So on April twentieth, that was a truth
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there. On April twentieth, nineteen seventy nine, US Eternity Ri Thompson and
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US Senator Harris and Schmidt, they had a meeting about cattle mutilations. And
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the meeting was a low attending meeting, but one of the attendees was Paul
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Bennowitz, and a lot of people think that this cattle mutilation meeting was where
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the targeting by these governmental agents first happened. Because at this cattle mutilation meeting,
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which there's so much evidence that it was ran by the FBI, that
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it was an FBI ran cattle mutilation meeting, Paul Benowitz was introduced to this
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gentleman named Gabe Valdez, and Gay Valdez was kind of known as the cattle
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mutilization guy. Which is really important for people to remember this because it comes
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back up later on as we get into the story of Paul Benowitz and Gabe
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Valdez. So Benowitz later documented that in nineteen seventy nine was the beginning of
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a study into UFOs because Benowitz reportedly began filming craft strange craft. He was
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getting weird signals that was, you know, coming off of Kirkland Air Force
34:04
Base, and Paul Benwitz's home was located like a stone stow away from Kirkland
34:10
Air Force Base. Stone stow away and saucers skipping across water, but Kirkland
34:17
Air Force Base was only half a mile away. He would see these strange
34:23
lights and reportedly two very bright lights. He would see them lift up off
34:31
of the ground and they would zip back and forth, and they woul zip
34:35
around the mountain. And common sense would tell you that if you're seeing strange
34:40
things and strange lights or strange craft over a military base, it would tell
34:45
you that it's the military, right, Can anyone tell me? Would it
34:49
not be the military? It's it's like freaking Jeremy Corbel and a lot of
34:53
these other people taking pictures of some flares over a military base in California,
35:00
and when they're proven to be flares, and he's calling them UFOs, And
35:02
if you're the military and some random guy, I mean, Paul's not really
35:10
as so much a random guy. He's a you know, an electronics engineer
35:15
and as you know, works for the Air Force for his with his company.
35:20
But if this guy is possibly in possession of video with top secret craft
35:28
on it and has recorded audio of transmissions of what could be described as top
35:35
secret operations, you know, what do you do? That's the question.
35:39
So Paul, being a radio expert, was very well versed in radio technology.
35:50
He decided to listen in to the communications, the supposed top secret communications
35:54
at Kirkland Air Force Base to try and discover possibly what these strange lights were,
36:02
or if the military knew what these strange lights were. And he decoded
36:08
some of these transmissions that was coming from Kirkling Air Force Base and put together
36:15
on his own that excuse me that it was about technology and the technology wasn't
36:23
from here. So this really began Paulbinwitz's journey into the extraterrestrial realm. In
36:31
October of nineteen eighty, ben Wits then contacted Kirklan Air Force Base. Like
36:38
any good samaritan would do that has possible information about this, you would contact
36:45
the air Force base to let them know whatever it is that you were finding.
36:47
But at this point, Paul's kind of, you know, teetering back
36:52
and forth on well, maybe it's extraterrestrials, maybe it's not, Maybe it's
36:55
extraterrestrial crowd, maybe it's a military technology. Pretty much kind of how a
37:01
little bit of what Kenneth Arnold was doing in his sightings in nineteen forty seven,
37:07
right, he thought, oh, well, this is really strange craft,
37:08
and other people were telling him that it's military craft and military missiles that
37:13
he was seeing. So in November of nineteen eighty been in wits briefed the
37:22
people at Kirkling Air Force Base on his findings. He went in and told
37:28
him about the video that he had had and the radio transmission, and the
37:32
military possibly believing that they thought maybe that it was a Soviet thread, or
37:39
that it was another country because the Cold War was kind of ramping up during
37:45
that time, or maybe it was some group or some terrorist organization that was
37:50
trying to invade into the base. So to figure out more about what Paul
37:55
Binowitz knew and to make sure that it wasn't a security threat, they put
38:00
him in contact with a man named Richard Doty, which is an AFOSI Air
38:07
Force Office of Special Investigations, and Paul not really knowing what he had because
38:14
he didn't he didn't analyze the footage properly. He didn't analyze the radio transmissions
38:20
that he was getting properly, because if he did, he would realize that
38:22
it was our technology. Richard Dody figuring out very quickly after seeing what he
38:29
had had. After he went to that, Paul beinwent his house to talk
38:35
with him that what he had was top secret radio transmissions from the Air Force
38:40
base that didn't have anything to do with extra trasherips, and that he was
38:46
filming top secret Experimental Air Force military craft and that that had nothing to do
38:55
with extra trasherils. And Richard wouldn't outright tell him that it was extraterrestrials or
39:07
that what he had was for sure extra trestrials. That's not how the deception
39:14
operations work. You just like plant a seed in someone's head. You just
39:17
be like, oh well, Paul, what you got is what you got
39:22
is pretty interesting. And if you don't give any other explanation like oh no,
39:27
this is top secret military aircraft or what you're getting is top secret radio
39:32
transmissions from Kirkland Air Force based, then that, you know, gets them
39:38
out of the realm of extra trestrials. You just tell them, oh well,
39:42
that's interesting footages you got, Paul, and then that subtly reinforces his
39:46
narrative of extraterrestrials. And with Paul being a World War Two veteran, I'd
39:55
imagine it was pretty easy to convince him to keep to shut up about it.
40:00
You know, like, Paul, you you owe this to your country
40:02
to not say anything about this to anyone. What you got is very interesting.
40:08
It's convincing, Paul. Keep it all under wraps, you know,
40:13
keep this information to yourself, right. But it wasn't just Dodie that was
40:19
doing this or several other people that were involved, the generals that was in
40:27
the briefing that Paul was given to the Air Force. After Paul had showed
40:32
the footage of supposedly what he captured, the strange craft, which again was
40:37
the top secret experimental aircraft, a Brigadier general stood up and said, Paul,
40:44
you got some pretty convincing evidence, right, and asked him what would
40:49
you like the Air Force to do about it? And Paul wanted to grant.
40:54
He wanted a grant to continue his investigations into these strange lights and strange
41:00
craft that were happening at Kirkland Air Force Base. And he also wanted a
41:05
grant to continue his cleaned contact with extraterrestrial beings. Now this caught the Air
41:16
Force off guard, right, what do you mean, Paul, contact with
41:22
extraterrestrial beings? And this is where the whole story takes a very sinister turn.
41:34
And this story is really actually a very sad story about Paul Benowitz.
41:38
But we've established that the Air Force was a part of this, like Richard
41:46
Dody and really technically all of the Air Force personnel were involved in that briefing.
41:53
We're kind of pushing Paul in the direction of extraterrestrials and UFOs without actually
41:59
coming out and telling him that it was extraterrestrials and UFOs and that what he
42:04
was really getting was video footage of top secret experimental aircraft and radio transmissions from
42:09
the air Force base. But another agency was involved that the Air Force did
42:15
not know about. Then what it happened was Paul was picking up these radio
42:22
signals from Kirkland Air Force Base. We established that he was picking it up
42:25
the top secret radio transmissions from and to Kirkland Air Force Base. So what
42:32
it happened was is that the NSA posted up across the stream and they would
42:38
directly beam radio signals into Paul Benowitz's antennae on the top of his house to
42:46
make Paul believe that what he was getting was from extraterresh trips. The NSA
42:54
literally broke into Paul Benowitz's house replaced his computer with an NSA modified computer which
43:04
the computer had software on it. As NSA installed software for Paul to decode
43:12
the messages that were being sent to Paul from the NSSA send them in a
43:16
way that they wanted Paul to see them. Wow, that's how far the
43:22
deception and the missing disinformation from the government has gone. That they broke into
43:30
a man's home and replaced his computer with an NSA computer that had software that
43:38
would decode the messages that Paul was getting to make him believe that he was
43:43
in communication with extraterrestrials. And in these messages that Paul thought that he was
43:49
receiving from extraterrestrials, was really the freaking NSSA. And that's dirty, so
43:57
dirty, and Paul and a lot of these messages are still regurgitated to this
44:05
very day within this community. They're like the basis and the foundation of theories
44:09
and speculations about extra trash trips. Right, it was spoken to Paul that
44:16
they were extraterrestrials from a planet with no water, right, that they're here
44:22
for our resources, that they're here to take over the Earth, and that
44:29
they only trusted Paul because Paul was a chosen one. And all kinds of
44:37
other information that came out of the NSA running this deception operation on Paul Bindo,
44:43
which was beiaving that he's in communication with extraterrestrials through his computer. Right,
44:51
and they're still regurgitated in the community, but just changed just a little
44:57
slightly, right when the the basis for them has all been completely made up
45:01
by the NSA agents. And it gets even it's wild, dude, it's
45:07
wild. And it gets even worse because there's another event that happens that is
45:13
really the basis for the entire Dulce base in New Mexico, which has been
45:22
regurgitated by many people within the community, including Linda Mouldenhowe, including Bill Cooper,
45:28
including Phil Schneider, and all these people that are convinced that there's a
45:34
an alien base in Doulce, New Mexico, where there's a contract that's signed
45:38
between the aliens and the military to create human hybrids, and like all this
45:45
stuff and we that were supposed to give us technology and all this stuff all
45:50
that came from disinformation and misinformation from this lady named Marna Henson. Now,
45:59
in May of night eighty, the State Police in New Mexico received a report
46:07
from this woman, Myrna Henson, and she told a story involving extraterrestrials,
46:16
bright lights, herds of cattle, alien abductions, and all this. And
46:23
they then referred all the things that Paul Benowitz already believes is happening, this
46:30
lady, Marna Henson is also saying is happening, right, And the police
46:36
referred that case and that caller from this Myrna Henson lady to Dulce, which
46:43
then referred the case that gave Valdets, who they knew to be the cattle
46:51
mutilation guy, which Paul met at that cattle mutilation conference. Right, So
46:55
then gave valdettas contacts Paul Benowhitt. And in nineteen eighty, Myrna Henson and
47:04
her son went to Albuquerque to meet with ben a Witz. They posted up
47:09
at his house. Henson explained to Benowitz that in early on in May of
47:17
nineteen eighty, while she was driving along in New Mexico, as she had
47:23
witnessed two large silent objects hovering across a field in a meadow that looked like
47:31
goodyear blimps. Right. They then Paul Benowitz then contacts a gentleman named Leo
47:38
Sprinkle when she was a psychologist and he worked in Wyoming as a professor and
47:46
had a big interest in UFOs and contact E reports. So ben a Witz
47:53
arranged for Sprinkle the fly to Albuquerque to hypnotize Henson, give Hinson a regression
48:04
and a hypnotic regression. When Sprinkle arrived, Henson and Benowitz wanted the sessions,
48:13
the hypnotic regression sessions to be conducted in Paul Benowitz's Lincoln town car that
48:22
he had a parked inside of his garage, and when Sprinkle got there,
48:27
he saw that the car windows had been covered with really thick aluminum foil.
48:35
Paul Benowitz said that the aluminum foil protects them from aliens and would protect them
48:44
from being probed by these aliens and these alien tractor beams. Right now,
48:51
Paul is literally out of his mind at this point, right, which is
48:55
I don't blame him, Right, You got the NSA right across the street
49:00
beaming signals in your head. They broke into your house, replaced your computer
49:02
with an NSA modified computer. You got the Air Force. How only you
49:07
essentially that you're write about the extra trestrials, but you can't tell anyone.
49:13
You would be pretty paranoid as well, right, So Sprinkle decided to regrets
49:17
this woman Myrna Henson in the ten Foiled out car and Paul Binnowitz's garage,
49:24
and a lot of theories and speculations that are still regurgitated within the community through
49:31
this very day happened during these regressions. She said that she had a recollection
49:36
of a cow being sucked up into a UFO by an alien beam. She
49:44
had recollections of an abduction that happened to her, and that she was taken
49:49
to an underground base that had floating body parts and would look like containers,
50:00
and that in these regressions evolved into the mythology of the Dulce Bass and phil
50:09
Schneider. So the session and also another thing that came up out of that
50:16
was was Roswell, and nobody at that time in nineteen eighty had connected Roswell
50:30
to UFO mythology, yet it didn't become popular until Bill Moore's book on Roswell
50:38
called the Roswell Incident, which came out just a few months later in nineteen
50:45
eighty, which was all miss and disinformation about alien craft crashing in Roswell,
50:52
which popularized the myth and the lore and brought it to the forefront of ufology,
50:57
so popular that people still talk about it in our you about it to
51:00
this very day. And Bill Moore, who wrote that book, which was
51:04
a known missing disinformationalist, got up in front of the Mouffon conference in nineteen
51:07
eighty nine and tried to tell everybody that it was missing disinformation, that it
51:15
was all made up nut garbage, and they boot him off of the stage.
51:20
I love it, man, And no one heard from Bill Moore after
51:25
that. He just disappear, But he tried to tell everyone, tried to
51:31
tell everyone that everything has been made up by the government surrounding UFOs and extra
51:37
treshurials. But back to this Myrna Hinson lady and Paul Bennowitz set up,
51:45
because that's exactly what I think that it was a It was a setup with
51:52
this lady Myrna Henson to get the lore in the mythology rolling because they knew
51:58
Paul would tell everyone and this would congregate and snowball into an amazing, freaking
52:07
conspiracy burrito. Because they told him that he can't say anything about the video
52:15
that he'd gotten of the craft. They can he can tell anybody about the
52:21
radio transmissions, but he could tell everyone about this random, supposedly random lady
52:28
that came to him and told him all the things to reinforce his exact beliefs
52:32
right and hence it along with claiming that she saw this large blimp like craft,
52:42
she also talked about having an alien implant and being implanted with an extraterrestrial
52:50
implant, which is before all these people were talking about alien implants, before
53:00
there was any talk about alien implants. She was one of the first people.
53:05
So Sprinkle then returned to Benowitz to hypnotically regress Myrna Henson again, and
53:17
Benowitz was completely frazzled out of his mind and pod paranoid to the to the
53:23
tilt with this stuff, and he was armed with a gun and basically told
53:30
uh Sprinkle to leave because he was saying that he was concerned that he and
53:37
Myrna were under the threat of being attacked by the aliens. I mean,
53:45
these people were literally driving freaking Paul out of his mind to the point where
53:52
he was convinced that the aliens were going to attack him, and he was
54:00
armed with a gun to protect himself and tinfoil. He has his windows all
54:06
tin foiled out he had the windows in his car tin foiled out. So
54:10
Paul Beinwitz, thinking that, you know, Sprinkle was an infiltrator or whatever
54:16
sent to him by wherever. He thought that there were some three letter organization,
54:22
which is more than likely that Marna Henson was sent to him by a
54:27
three letter organization, or they thought Sprinkle was an alien or whatever. He
54:30
thought. He told Sprinkle to leave, but then he contacted another hypnotist by
54:37
the name of James Harder. Now James Harder had also conducted hypnotic regressions on
54:46
Travis Walton as well. So Paul and James Harder this is when it really
54:54
becomes the whole tinfoil thing takes on a whole life of his own that they
55:01
claimed. They come to the conclusion that Henson, Myrna Henson Lady was under
55:08
the influence of extraterrestrial alien tractor beams, and they wrote down instructions on how
55:22
to shield the room and shield the car while they're conducting these hypnotic progressions with
55:30
tinfoil. Right, this is literally where all all the tinfoil hat stuff is
55:37
from, and no one really knows, and that it came from government deception,
55:45
right, And gave. Valdi's son later commented on the whole Myrna Henson
55:53
story and said that it was likely that it was a set up because they
56:00
found bugs in like listening devices in Gabe Valdez. They founded him in his
56:09
home, and he said that it was like a He believed that it was
56:15
a well orchestrated hoax. And it's difficult to find out anything about this Myrna
56:27
Hanson lady because Myrna Henson is also the name of a famous actress and model,
56:37
and I believe that she won Miss USA in the early fifties and nineteen
56:45
fifty three to be exact. So it's impossible to figure out who she was,
56:51
where she was, or anything, because when you type in her name
56:53
into Google, you get nothing but the actress, the famous actress and model.
57:00
Yeah. So, and I asked Richard Dody about this because I had
57:05
him on my show, and he was like, I don't know where she
57:09
got this information. I mean, he commented on that what she had been
57:16
describing with this underground base was more than likely a military munitions bunker, but
57:28
she claimed that that she woke up there and Dody is like, I have
57:35
no idea how she would have woken up in a military munitions bunker. But
57:39
the way that she described this, bass Doty said that he went out to
57:44
this munitions bunker and it seemed exactly set up the way that she described it.
57:51
Besides, there wasn't human body parts floating in vats or whatever it is
57:57
that she was describing what that well, But apparently there was a lot of
58:06
people that were trying to infiltrate into the Myrna Henson case. Like Alan Heinech
58:15
was trying to investigate into the Myrna Henson case and they sent him a sec
58:21
assist letters and it threatened to take legal action against him. A few other
58:27
people were trying to get involved in the case. But now this is where
58:32
we really get into the whole full swing of the Dulcet base. I mean
58:37
that, yeah, the Dulcet base and all the mythology and all the rumors
58:42
and the speculation of the Dulcet base that started all because of the information that
58:49
was given to Paul Benewitz through this lady Myrna Henson and fueled by Air Force
58:59
deception operas and NSA deception operations. So in eighty one, Paul Binomitch wrote
59:06
a letter to Harrison Harrison Schmidt, which was a US Senator, and in
59:14
this letter he said that he knew the location of these alien bases in Dulce,
59:22
New Mexico. And he said that he also specifically knew someone in the
59:29
military that has supposedly made a contract or made some sort of deal with these
59:36
extra trestrial aliens many years ago, and that this deal included giving them the
59:44
land and the cattle and all that, and which is the exact same thing
59:50
has been recurgitated in this community for decades now that the government has a contract
59:55
with extraterrestrials for their technology, and and also that this contract with extraterrestrials established
1:00:07
a deal between the extraterrestrials and an underground facility to test the technology that extra
1:00:19
treshrill is given to him. And also he talks about in that letter that
1:00:25
which has been also regurgitated within the community for a really long time, that
1:00:29
a lot of people bring up normally with Bill Cooper, and then other people
1:00:32
have picked up on Bill Cooper's thing and then turned it into something else.
1:00:37
That the ship designed that the government traded for was over thirty years behind the
1:00:44
alien technology. I know that you've heard that before, Chris, that that
1:00:51
that's where the deal went wrong because the government found out that the extra trestrials
1:00:55
were giving them much older technology, right, right, But that was an
1:01:01
all in the letter that Paul Benowitz wrote in Harrison's US Senator Harrison Schmidt in
1:01:07
nineteen eighty one. In nineteen eighty four, Benowitz then refers to this conflict
1:01:16
at Dulce Base that led to the closure of the alien human base, which
1:01:23
was again completely made up fiction that is later regurgitated and by other people in
1:01:35
the community like John Lear, Bill Cooper, and more famously Phil Schneider.
1:01:44
You know, and now we know where all these stories come from. And
1:01:46
that's what Bill Cooper always talked about. And Paul met a very unfortunate end
1:01:53
as well, which relates to everything he was involved with, right, Yeah,
1:02:00
And see what Bill Cooper, he just slightly changed the mythology of what
1:02:07
Paul was talking about, because Paul went out to all these different contactees,
1:02:13
well not even contact these just people that were interested in the subject to give
1:02:21
them the information that he collected anounced to him that it was from the NSA
1:02:30
and this agent that was sent to him by, you know, Myrna Henson.
1:02:36
So in nineteen eighty two, Benewitz he contacted these UFO researchers. He
1:02:42
contacted Linnamull and how John Leare, Senators Harrison Schmid, and he began to
1:02:47
spread his ideas regarding the Dulce base too in upological circles, and the UFO
1:02:59
mythology was born. And it came directly from the NSSA and what I personally
1:03:07
believe is intelligence agent Myrna Henson and the Air Force. And Paul suffered several
1:03:16
psychiatric hospitalizations after nineteen eighty due to the Air Force an essay deception of operations
1:03:28
and ended up passing away in June twenty third of two thousand and three in
1:03:37
Albuquerque, New Mexico. Now, and go ahead, well, I was
1:03:44
just gonna say, we're going to fast forward to today. We have a
1:03:49
rebranding of UFOs to UAPs. There's a renewed interest in the community overall because
1:03:57
of the government presentation and things that we've been seeing coming out of our media
1:04:02
and these random stories that pop out here and there of people witnessing certain craft
1:04:10
or things that relate to the UFO phenomena that seems to be picking up in
1:04:15
certain ways. I'm sure a lot of it is because of the access to
1:04:18
the Internet and we have more ways to share these stories and have access to
1:04:25
them. But a lot of it is something new that we haven't seen in
1:04:29
a while, especially when it comes to the presentation from our government in Congress
1:04:34
and the acknowledgements coming out of there. It's obviously a deception. It always
1:04:44
has been, as we just went over. But why they're rebranding and do
1:04:48
you think there is some sort of urgency behind the revelations of UFOs in modern
1:04:57
times. Well, the reason for the rebranding to from Flying Saucer to UFO
1:05:03
was actually was started by a Project Blue Book with their government investigation into UFOs,
1:05:14
and the reason that they changed different Flying Saucer to the UFO was to
1:05:18
encompass more of the phenomenon. And then we get that exact same rebranding again
1:05:27
for a second time with UFO to UAP. See, now it's not an
1:05:34
object, it's not an unidentified line object. It's now an unidentified phenomenon,
1:05:43
and a phenomenon encompasses more of the more things than just an object, so
1:05:50
now it can be anything unidentified anomalist phenomenon can be whatever. It can be
1:05:59
sad as. It can be balloons, it can be plasma, can be
1:06:02
ball lightning, it can be whatever you want it to be. But I
1:06:08
think that there's going to be a new push here soon that's going to involve
1:06:15
usos underwater submerge objects or underwater submergible objects. And that's where I think that
1:06:24
the where they're going to be taking this next, because people are really wising
1:06:30
up to the fact that these crafts are not from other worlds, not from
1:06:39
other planets, They're not extraterrestrial. So how do they keep that? You
1:06:45
can only go so long with the same narrative, You can only work with
1:06:51
the same narrative for a certain period of time without any evidence and without any
1:06:57
proof. People get tired of it, you know. Yeah, eventually they're
1:07:02
and their people are already tired of it. They're like, well, we're
1:07:06
just hearing the same things over and over again. It's the same people talking
1:07:11
about the same things. You know, where's the evidence and where's the proof
1:07:16
that these craft are extraterrestrial or they're they're piloted by alien entities? You know,
1:07:27
And I personally believe that a lot of the buzzwords that are thrown around
1:07:34
the community are that they have double and sometimes even triple meanings to what they're
1:07:42
talking about, right, like you know, alien invasion or you know false
1:07:49
flag alien invasion. They're gonna they're gonna Project bluebe Mess and all that.
1:07:54
Well, and in this idea that a lot of people in the community are
1:07:59
like, oh, well, the aliens are all around us all the time,
1:08:02
twenty four to seven. They're here, they've always been here. They're
1:08:04
making extraterrestrial alien human hybrids and all that. Well, really, just look
1:08:15
at the word alien, right, what does alien mean? If if I
1:08:21
went to Pakistan today, say a fluid to it, to Pakistan or any
1:08:30
other different country that is not the United States, and where I'm from,
1:08:35
I'm going to be an alien there. I'm considered an alien there. I'm
1:08:42
not from there, never lived there. I'm a visitor. I'm an alien.
1:08:49
And then if you take, oh, well, let's just tack illegal
1:08:57
in front of the word alien, you have something completely different. And what's
1:09:03
to the south, what's to the south of the United States, Mexico,
1:09:09
what's to the north of the United States Canada? If people come in illegally.
1:09:18
They are all around us, and they've always been here, and they're
1:09:25
creating a mixed race of beings. Right. That's the common sense and critical
1:09:33
thinking version of it. But there's several different examples, like crash retrieval.
1:09:41
You know, crash retrieval doesn't have to be see when people in the community
1:09:45
that are a part of this community, they are part of ufology or interested
1:09:48
in the contact ee community or interested in UFOs, whenever they hear the term
1:09:54
crash retrieval, they automatically think, oh, well, it's something modern.
1:09:59
It's something that somebody seen fall out of the sky, or it was something
1:10:04
that was seen on radar, or something that the military scene and they immediately
1:10:09
went to it and investigated it and got the craft and took it back to
1:10:14
their base and reverse engineered it. Well, if if we went to a
1:10:24
different country, didn't even have to be a different country, It could be
1:10:26
the United States. Let's say we did an archaeological dig in the United States
1:10:30
right now and we found something ancient. We found something very old that was
1:10:34
a form of technology that was in the shape of some sort of craft.
1:10:40
That would also be a crash retrieval. It doesn't matter the amount of time
1:10:44
that has passed between the craft crashing and the time that you found it.
1:10:48
It could be thousands of years old, it could be hundreds of years old.
1:10:54
It's still considered a crash retrieval. And then when you think of things
1:10:57
like how people that like to throw around, you know, the term national
1:11:00
security threat, right Like a lot of the people in the community, especially
1:11:04
the military people are pushing this national security threat. You know that these craft
1:11:14
are invading our airspace and they're in they're they're navigating and restricted military airspace.
1:11:24
Well, what if it's not that it's a national security threat because they're extraterrestrials.
1:11:30
What if it's a national security threat because it's our technology and if another
1:11:38
country gets a hold of that technology, then we're screwed. That's what a
1:11:45
national security threat would be in it would even be a national security threat if
1:11:55
the owned citizens of our country that we developed this advanced technology gets hold of
1:12:00
the technology. So in my mind, it's not a national security threat because
1:12:06
they're extraterrestrials and they're invading our airspace as a national security threat because of other
1:12:12
countries, or even if the population of the United States gets their hands on
1:12:15
the technology. Then it's trouble. Then it's bad, right, So the
1:12:21
easiest way to cover that up is to make people believe that it is extraterrestrials
1:12:28
because there's nothing that we can do about extraterrestrials. Extraterrestrials are so advanced,
1:12:32
they have all this advanced technology, can't do anything about them. So that's
1:12:39
why the extraterrestrial narrative is continuously going on, because it's a cover up,
1:12:45
and it's not a cover up in the way that people think that it's a
1:12:47
cover up. It's a cover up because they don't want to let the technology
1:12:51
get out, and they don't want people to know that it's our technology,
1:12:56
and they sure as hell don't want other countries figure out that it's also our
1:13:01
technology. But I'm willing to bet that other countries have the same type of
1:13:08
technology as well. I mean Russia, Russia got more Project paper Clip,
1:13:15
well not Project paper Clip, that was the the operation that brought the Nazis
1:13:20
into the United States, but officially Russia got more Nazi German scientists in Russia
1:13:30
after World War Two. Then the United States got from from them. They
1:13:36
got like thousands of more and so it's not out of the realm of possibility
1:13:42
that Russia also has a version of this technology as well. And another thing
1:13:50
is is that you brought up the government involvement in this, and the thing
1:13:57
about it is that the government has never really changed their stance on the phenomenon.
1:14:04
They've been seeing the same thing since the late forties, Project Grudge Projects,
1:14:12
sign Project Blue Book, and then most recently this Historical Arrow Report.
1:14:20
They've been saying pretty much the exact same thing all of these years. But
1:14:26
now Arrow has came out and Sean Kirkpatrick has said that it's military drones,
1:14:36
all military drones, unmanned military drones that have been mistaken for extraterrestrial craft,
1:14:48
which is pretty much in a way what every single one of the government investigations
1:14:56
into the UFO phenomenon has been. They've always that that it's a misinterpretation of
1:15:08
known aircraft, which is pretty much like saying it's military aircraft. Now they're
1:15:16
just outright telling you in this Errow Historical UFO UAP Report that just released Part
1:15:25
one, I think part two is coming out soon, and they go through
1:15:29
all of the different cases that they've investigated since forty seven. I believe maybe
1:15:34
even earlier, maybe forty forty five. But what they're write about I think
1:15:43
that military. You're absolutely right. I also think that there's multiple layers to
1:15:48
this. I think there are connections with the societal engineering and the overall direction
1:15:55
that our consciousness has been steered as of lately, especially as of There are
1:16:00
some theological implications behind everything, And this is just based on my own perspective
1:16:08
and awareness at this point. I do agree that there is just a level
1:16:13
of advanced exotic technology that they will never want us to know about, and
1:16:18
they're blaming it on aliens. But for me, there's also another layer,
1:16:23
and there's a spiritual layer to this, and that has to do with the
1:16:28
overall mind imprisonment and deception we've been put through as a human race since we've
1:16:34
been under control of people of lesser consciousness, you could say, and that
1:16:41
may or may not have to do with anything beyond humanity, but it's a
1:16:45
problem nonetheless, and I think that with this control system that we're under,
1:16:51
there's a lot of deceptions. And I had a very profound experience just the
1:16:56
other day. May the Fourth be with us, all that change my life
1:17:00
forever. I will no longer be doing any psychedelic explorations of any kind,
1:17:05
and I am in no way ready to share this experience yet. I will
1:17:10
I will be writing about it and sharing it very soon. But with the
1:17:16
understanding that we're currently at collectively of UFOs, at least the majority of people
1:17:24
are starting to jump on board with a lot of nonsense and it's very concerning.
1:17:30
So I think it's very important what you're doing. That we were trying
1:17:34
to get people looking in the right direction at things. Even though we may
1:17:40
have different perspectives, overall, we're still being deceived, and that's the first
1:17:45
thing that I think people have to realize about all of this. Now,
1:17:49
I want to close on a light note. Before we came on, you
1:17:54
were talking about something that caught my ear bird abductions. Bird abducting people,
1:18:00
tell me about this, please. Yeah, there's this incident in Illinois,
1:18:11
I believe in nineteen seventy seven. I'd have to look back and at the
1:18:16
actual date of that. But this gentleman, these kids were playing out in
1:18:25
the field in their backyard and this kid named Marlon Lowe, and they saw
1:18:33
these two giant birds come out of the coming directly at them and one of
1:18:42
the birds flew down and picked up Marlon Lowe and picked him up off of
1:18:48
the ground, reportedly two to three feet off of the ground, and drug
1:18:53
him. And the only reason that the bird let him go was because his
1:18:59
mom was inside and saw what was happening, came out started yelling and screaming
1:19:05
at this bird, and apparently it scared the bird and the bird let him
1:19:11
go. And this event was witnessed by all the people that were there.
1:19:15
Very strange incident. And there's now how big how big bird? They said
1:19:24
it had a wingspan of approximately eight to ten field that's a pretty big bird,
1:19:31
giant bird and they uh which there's a lot of reports, and that
1:19:38
goes back to the you know, the Native American mythology of the thunderbird.
1:19:44
Yeah, that's what they think that it was, was a giant thunderbird.
1:19:48
It's called the lawnsdale. And so that's one thing that gets me, man,
1:19:54
is some of these weird, cryptid creatures. I don't know what to
1:19:57
make of some of these things, especially things that are like animals that we
1:20:02
recognize in the wild, but a little different, maybe much larger, maybe
1:20:09
have add ons that we weren't expecting, but there are those strange things out
1:20:15
there. Man. Yeah. It was nineteen seventy seven and Marlon Lowe was
1:20:23
playing outside of his family his family home along open fields near Kickapoo Creek.
1:20:30
Two giant birds passed over. One suddenly swooped down, grabbed the boy,
1:20:33
carrying him a few feet before dropping him because of his frightened mother's screams.
1:20:39
The incident occurred in front of seven witnesses, all of whom describe exactly the
1:20:44
same thing. Two huge blackbirds with long, white ringed necks and curled beaks
1:20:53
and wingspans of ten or more feet. Man, that's crazy freaking thunderbirds going
1:21:01
around abducting children. That's outford and thunderbirds. Bro, that's one thing you
1:21:04
got to do. Writer. Thank you brother so much for coming on.
1:21:09
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1:21:40
fun conversation. We'll do it again, and until next time, everyone,
1:21:44
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