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Feminist Movie Friday: Deidra and Laney Rob a Train · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephane.
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Speaker 1: Never told your protection of I Heart Radio. For today's
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Speaker 1: a feminist Movie Friday. We're talking about the twenty seventeen
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Speaker 1: drama comedy crime film which is a fun um Dedra
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Speaker 1: and Laney Robert Train directed by Sydney Freeland, who is
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Speaker 1: a trans and Navajo director, and written by Shelby Farrell.
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Speaker 1: It stars Ashley Murray as Did Tanner, Daniel Nicolay as
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Speaker 1: Mary Gold Tanner, and Rachel Crowe as Laney Tanner. And
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Speaker 1: Freeland was born on a Navajo reservation in New Mexico
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Speaker 1: to a Navajo father and Scottish mother. And if you
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Speaker 1: haven't seen it yet, you can watch it on Netflix.
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Speaker 1: It's really fun. I really enjoyed the music and the visuals.
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Speaker 1: We were talking about that before Santa, that we both
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Speaker 1: really enjoyed it. Yeah, So watching it, I was like,
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Speaker 1: I get a little wary coming into teen dramas, especially
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Speaker 1: when I know, oh no, they're already set up to fail,
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Speaker 1: essentially like the family, the background, what's happening, And I'm like,
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Speaker 1: I don't like these stories. They made me feel phils
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Speaker 1: And as I've told you recently, for some reason, I'm
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Speaker 1: really sensitive, but everything right now. But it was so good,
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Speaker 1: it was so like uplifting. Just go ahead and put
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Speaker 1: this in. We do not condone crying of any soul.
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Speaker 1: We're not saying that you know, this should have happened
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Speaker 1: or whatnot, and that it was right or wrong. Just
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Speaker 1: you know, we enjoyed it for what it was we did.
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Speaker 1: I love that. Like you're imagining the headline the next day,
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Speaker 1: it is going to be smimty condoned. I'm just saying
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Speaker 1: there's too much of that past background and juvenile court
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Speaker 1: and juvenile at risting. Hey no, no, no, don't do it.
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Speaker 1: But I get it, but but don't do it. I thought,
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Speaker 1: I'm interested to hear your thoughts because there are some
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Speaker 1: things I was like, if that's Samantha has some some
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Speaker 1: few points on this, um, I will say, And I'm
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Speaker 1: curious about this as well. Um, it did not make
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Speaker 1: me miss high school at all, Like, not at all, right,
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Speaker 1: I do. I think it's really interesting. I love she
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Speaker 1: shares Amida, who has her own podcast and it is
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Speaker 1: a comic icon as well. And she was in another
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Speaker 1: recent show that I was like, she is so perfect
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Speaker 1: and her role in This made me like, think of
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Speaker 1: there's always hopefully. I'm really this is my hope is
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Speaker 1: that there's hopefully there's one who really seeks to help
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Speaker 1: the students out. And she's jaded and she was like,
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Speaker 1: I don't claim this whatever, But at the same time,
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Speaker 1: she knows the backgrounds and loves these kids as well
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Speaker 1: as the the woman who helps Laney and I we're
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Speaker 1: talking about it, but who helps Laney in the pageant?
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Speaker 1: I was like, huh, she's not the bad white woman
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Speaker 1: character you're I was anticipating. But yeah, I did find
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Speaker 1: that interesting. But I thought it was so kind. The
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Speaker 1: movie was a very kind conversation about that. But yes,
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Speaker 1: high school in itself like oh yeah, because they're jerks,
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Speaker 1: Like that's kids are mean. High school is just a
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Speaker 1: like rough, stressful, dramatic time. There's all these choices that
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Speaker 1: are being asked of you when you really are still
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Speaker 1: young and don't know what you want right right. I
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Speaker 1: just that was one of the first things so clearly
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Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, I really didn't. I don't miss this, right.
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Speaker 1: I think there's a lot to be said. Again, I
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Speaker 1: want to talk about it. This is a lead up,
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Speaker 1: So if you want to watch this before we start,
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Speaker 1: uh into our plot. You should go watch it because
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Speaker 1: obviously we're gonna spoil the hell out of it, but
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Speaker 1: in itself that I love the sister aspect, and I
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Speaker 1: guess you have to have the bad friendships so for
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Speaker 1: a lot of these plots to see the goodness of
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Speaker 1: the sister friendship, which is a whole different level. Yes,
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Speaker 1: and that's that's something we'll be talking about obviously perhaps um.
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Speaker 1: But before we do that, we did want to go
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Speaker 1: over the plot. So the movie centers on the Tanners,
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Speaker 1: who are a multiracial family. You've got the mother, Marigold,
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Speaker 1: father Chet, who is sort of has been out of
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Speaker 1: the picture. He shows up for a lot of it.
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Speaker 1: And then the children Dear Laney and Jet, and after
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Speaker 1: their mother is taken to jail, Deirdre and Laney decide
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Speaker 1: to almostly Deirdre, who convinces Laney Um decide to rob
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Speaker 1: trains to prevent Laney and Jet from being placed into
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Speaker 1: foster care and to make enough money to bail their
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Speaker 1: mother out of jail. Right. So, Dedra is a smart
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Speaker 1: high school senior who sells answers to chemistry tests to
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Speaker 1: make money in the hopes of going to college, and
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Speaker 1: she also expands that business as well. She also is
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Speaker 1: the valedictorian f y I and is trying desperately the
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Speaker 1: gain in college. Uh, just put that in there. She
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Speaker 1: along with her mother, also helps raise her younger siblings,
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Speaker 1: Laney and Jet. So if we talked about prognification here
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Speaker 1: it is. Once her mother is arrested after throwing an
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Speaker 1: expensive TV on the floor while working at her retail job,
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Speaker 1: and it's of course all seen and taped and recorded,
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Speaker 1: which makes it even worse. Is up to Dedre to
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Speaker 1: figure things out, especially when it seems that Jel is
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Speaker 1: proving to be a break from her mom's a single parenthood,
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Speaker 1: you know. And it's kind of comical in that manner,
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Speaker 1: but I've actually heard this for of those like I
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Speaker 1: actually have three meals, I actually get to sit, I
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Speaker 1: actually get I have to exercize, Like I don't like
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Speaker 1: the environment, but compared to what it was, hey, um So,
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Speaker 1: looking into her backyard, Dietre gets the idea to rob
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Speaker 1: trains to raise money to bail their mom out of jail.
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Speaker 1: Actually this was after her dad shows her video of
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Speaker 1: a train robbery with the main investigating or detective White dude. Yes,
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Speaker 1: he's the bad guy in this one. She thinks about
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Speaker 1: the side, but she knows how these trains work. Maybe
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Speaker 1: come for her. Here we go, Yes, here we go.
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Speaker 1: So Deeja convinces Laney to help her in this venture
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Speaker 1: of robbing trains and they do like a lot of
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Speaker 1: practices and planning and they bond as they're doing all
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Speaker 1: of this stuff. And Laney there's this whole subplot where Laney,
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Speaker 1: who was very shy um she gets picked on, has
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Speaker 1: this one friend, Claire, and not a great friend. What
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Speaker 1: do you mean an abusive toxic Friendship's a very toxic friendship.
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Speaker 1: It was one where I was like, is this ever
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Speaker 1: going to redeem itself? No? Okay. So Laney gets in
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Speaker 1: to the Miss Idaho pageant thinks in part to the teacher,
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Speaker 1: which really makes her friend Claire matt because Claire wanted
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Speaker 1: Laney to support her, I guess, always being kind of
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Speaker 1: the second fiddle in this relationship. Laney gets the impression
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Speaker 1: that her mom isn't supportive either, because her mom won
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Speaker 1: this Miss Idaho pageant and according to her, was like
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Speaker 1: going to get this reality TV so from it, but
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Speaker 1: then got pregnant and couldn't do it anymore, and Laney
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Speaker 1: really interprets that as you know, basically, their kids ruined
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Speaker 1: your life and we shouldn't try because we're never gonna
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Speaker 1: make it are That's what she's getting the message she's
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Speaker 1: picking up and this all infuriates Deirdre. So Dedre makes
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Speaker 1: her intermission to build up Landy's self confidence so she
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Speaker 1: doesn't always succeed. Um. Laney's friend, Claire friend and heavy
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Speaker 1: heavy quotes, continues to torment her, undermining her at every
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Speaker 1: turn and even tripping her and giving her a bloody nose.
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Speaker 1: Yes not cool, so I Meanwhile, Dedre, who now has
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Speaker 1: to take care of her siblings, Uh, this is a
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Speaker 1: lot of school all show impart to the fact that
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Speaker 1: she's robbing trains really concerning several folks. Again, the school counselor,
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Speaker 1: who we love, looking to help her become successful into
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Speaker 1: and going into college again as a way to just
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Speaker 1: for herself in a different, better school because she's got
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Speaker 1: some type of success in helping kids in going into college. Yes,
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Speaker 1: the counselor finds Dedre out and Dedre blackmails convinces her
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Speaker 1: to help them rob trains so that Dedre can afford college.
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Speaker 1: Essentially though it was this whole thing. I love this
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Speaker 1: movie too much. And with Yes, it kind of kind
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Speaker 1: of unfolds because they made a few mistakes, not realizing
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Speaker 1: everything that they needed to do, even though qubabe a
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Speaker 1: bit of the good planning. Yes. Um. As they're trying
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Speaker 1: to figure out everything, cop comes through, realizes, hey, teenage
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Speaker 1: kids because they accidentally got caught, and but you can't
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Speaker 1: see their faces. How you see is the back of them.
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Speaker 1: After realizing, hey, what is this? Oh, hey comes to
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Speaker 1: check on her, comes in, sees all the boxes, realizes
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Speaker 1: what's going on and Didra convinced her? Hey, the other
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Speaker 1: valid Victorian? Do you really want something about cast I
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Speaker 1: are just spoken and for some reason that tickled me.
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Speaker 1: It may be very Giggle was like, that's hilarious. I
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Speaker 1: don't know why, but apparently talking about cast irons or
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Speaker 1: valed dictorians speeches, it's funny. Um, But trying to talk
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Speaker 1: about how this other girl is not as good or
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Speaker 1: this other person is not as good as she would
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Speaker 1: be as a valed Victorian. So the counselor agrees to
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Speaker 1: be quiet about it and let her know what's going
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Speaker 1: on with this other dude that's investigating, who obviously has
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Speaker 1: a chip on his shoulder because every time someone says
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Speaker 1: Mr is like, I'm detective yes, um, which yes, so
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Speaker 1: now Detra's counselor is someone involved? Um? And then of
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Speaker 1: course a Didra hides the information from Laney that this
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Speaker 1: cop has come around the schools to try to figure
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Speaker 1: this out, and the dad who works for the company
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Speaker 1: also figures it out after realizing, huh, that's a gift
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Speaker 1: I gave to my child which appears out of where
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Speaker 1: it is part of the evidence of some teenagers are
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Speaker 1: doing something here dot dot dot um. And by the way, yes,
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Speaker 1: he is a felon. That's part of the reasons he's
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Speaker 1: not around the family. And then also he's just kind
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Speaker 1: of like the deadbeat dad that is not around the family.
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Speaker 1: And after he feel like figures it out, Oh yes,
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Speaker 1: he figures this out. He shows up at their home
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Speaker 1: just in time for our CPS visit, but because he's
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Speaker 1: not supposed to be there, pretends to be the uncle,
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Speaker 1: charms the CPS worker in the entire time. Pretending to
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Speaker 1: be the uncle, confronts Nada and Laney about what they've
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Speaker 1: been doing, and reveals the lady that the cops are
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Speaker 1: on their trail. Of course, yes, because Laney was very
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Speaker 1: reluctant about this whole thing, and it's kind of been like,
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Speaker 1: you know, any sign of trouble, we're out. And Dietrich
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Speaker 1: did not tell her that this was happening. So their
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Speaker 1: dad checked hangs around and gives them some tips and
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Speaker 1: starts working with them about robbing these trains, kind of
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Speaker 1: trying to take over the situation, claiming credit for Dietrich's work,
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Speaker 1: which is sort of a scene throughout this um of
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Speaker 1: taking credit for other people's work. Dedre reluctantly agrees to
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Speaker 1: accept his help, and they cook up an even bigger scheme.
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Speaker 1: But as all of this is happening, the cop is
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Speaker 1: closing in and decides to interview the students. Deirdre and
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Speaker 1: Laney get into a fight when Laney realizes that Dedra
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Speaker 1: has been setting aside money for college for her college
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Speaker 1: and intends to keep robbing even after they have enough
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Speaker 1: to pell out their mom, because Laney was like, once
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Speaker 1: we get enough for her to get out of jail,
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Speaker 1: we're done. And I did like this quote with the
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Speaker 1: cop where they're interviewing Didra and he finds out she's
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Speaker 1: the Valuedctorian, and he says, we're interviewing the valued ctorian.
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Speaker 1: Why are we interviewing the valedictorian? Where I was like,
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Speaker 1: why would you the smart person good at robbing thing? Right?
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Speaker 1: So in all of those it's obviously a small community,
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Speaker 1: very compact community, because the cop knows who they are.
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Speaker 1: He's the one that tries to deescalates the situation with
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Speaker 1: the mother when she first got arrested. So it's it
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Speaker 1: isn't interesting like home. We feel where they're trying to
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Speaker 1: care for each other and truly understand what was happening.
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Speaker 1: Um maybe it's compaganda. I don't know, but it did
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Speaker 1: feel nice to see that aspect of them caring for
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Speaker 1: the people in their community. Um And during this entire time,
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Speaker 1: as she's trying to think of the bigger heist, we
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Speaker 1: see Landy coming apart. Uh, lady is not doing too well.
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Speaker 1: She is trying to just she's just over it, ready
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Speaker 1: to rebel, moving on. Um Andy to realizees maybe she
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Speaker 1: doesn't want all of this anymore. Maybe seeing what's happening
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Speaker 1: in the bigger and bigger like they're all already in
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Speaker 1: felony level of trouble, but it's getting worse. UM and
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Speaker 1: hijacking things that are like, hey, we're talking about possibly
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Speaker 1: stealing literally meant money, which is way above the high
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Speaker 1: level federal crimes, so maybe we need to read think
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Speaker 1: some things. And after the boy that her ex boy
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Speaker 1: is what we're calling, who she calls against her and
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Speaker 1: the funnily like he's just a white cute boy that
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Speaker 1: she calls all of these things who he talks about
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Speaker 1: how he sells out of his grandma's radic like he's like,
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Speaker 1: who do you think I am? Practice? Like really, I'm
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Speaker 1: not that cool. I do this on eBay. And so
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Speaker 1: she decides to take the money, all the money and
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Speaker 1: finally bail her mom out after making sure her mom
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Speaker 1: knew that she was not happy. Um, and we had
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Speaker 1: this whole unveiling of what her mom does. But first
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Speaker 1: the CPS worker realizes that something is amiss. Uh comes
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Speaker 1: to confront the dad who she was like, I thought
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Speaker 1: he was the one, but instead he's like, oh wait,
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Speaker 1: let me do this and takes jet away runs away
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Speaker 1: with him. DeAndre again comes and has this confrontation with
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Speaker 1: the mom, and the mom talks about what's happened, like
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Speaker 1: she had saved all this money for her college, was
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Speaker 1: so proud of her. Got into a really bad accident
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Speaker 1: because she was so tired from working so much, and
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Speaker 1: therefore lost all of the money and then went into
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Speaker 1: even more debt. Uh watched there was like a teenage
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Speaker 1: pregnancy show that really just triggered her to the point
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Speaker 1: that she had her breakdown and lost it, and to
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Speaker 1: the point that the shot decided to charge her with
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Speaker 1: terrorism on top of theft, so that the head had
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Speaker 1: a federal consequence to that. So yeah, it was the
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Speaker 1: whole thing. And I was like, oh, and by the way,
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Speaker 1: the mom I know her from playing the main character
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Speaker 1: in Flash and I love her character and Flash, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I thought that scene was really beautiful because until that point, Um,
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Speaker 1: it's not that you didn't as the audience, have sympathy
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Speaker 1: for the mom, but you're kind of like, what is happening, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: clearly your children need help, and and she was just
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Speaker 1: so like yeah, I can hear, I'm good, and then
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Speaker 1: you the scene was just really moving because it was
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Speaker 1: the money she had made from the Miss Idaho pageant
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Speaker 1: and she'd put it away and this was her like
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Speaker 1: explained like I never regretted you. Everyone told me it
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Speaker 1: was like a regret that I didn't get this reality show,
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Speaker 1: but I was never regret for me. And then just
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Speaker 1: having this like montage of her coming home every day
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Speaker 1: and checking the balance of how much money was in
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Speaker 1: there and she would just contribute to it no matter what,
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Speaker 1: and being so tired, and like coming home to fights
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Speaker 1: or too just children who had wanted nothing to do
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Speaker 1: with her. And you know, not that it's not painted
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Speaker 1: in a way like the children were terrible. It's just
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Speaker 1: what motherhood is. But she being a single mom and
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Speaker 1: being so tired, and that's why she got in the
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Speaker 1: accident and then to lose all of it after all
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Speaker 1: that time. It's really it was really well shot and
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Speaker 1: really really beautiful. I thought, yeah, the Flashbox, she did
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Speaker 1: a great job because you kind of already knew the story.
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Speaker 1: You'd already seen the played out. The mom was always missing,
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Speaker 1: so they would impose, like the mud, where was the mother,
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Speaker 1: and here was the mother though she was in the background,
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Speaker 1: or though she was tired, though she was she was
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Speaker 1: always there, but they just didn't see it from that perspective.
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Speaker 1: So I thought that was beautifully shot. They did a
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Speaker 1: great job with that, Yeah, and it was really sad.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes she'd come home and she'd be so happy, like
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Speaker 1: she'd be looking at how much money is it? It
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Speaker 1: be so happy that she comes in and her children
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Speaker 1: like are all fighting and she doesn't forget it and
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Speaker 1: hear what this um? But yeah, yeah, I thought I
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Speaker 1: really liked that scene. Okay, So the cops come down
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Speaker 1: to arrest Laney at the pageant um, which de Dreff
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Speaker 1: finds out about through the school counselor. Um Laney gets
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Speaker 1: in a fight with her friend Claire, and Laney is arrested.
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Speaker 1: Dedre reaches out to their dad for help, and the
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Speaker 1: counselor and the local police officer work on getting Laney out.
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Speaker 1: Deja tries to provoke the train cop who has a record,
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Speaker 1: and so Laney thinks that des is trying to get arrested,
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Speaker 1: but she she escapes from the school counselor and the
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Speaker 1: cop who helped her joins Dedre and she demands that
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Speaker 1: they do this together, and Deere reveals like she's planning
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Speaker 1: on recording him, like sort of losing his and then
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Speaker 1: getting him in trouble because he has his record. So
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Speaker 1: they succeed in this um Dedre provokes him, Laney films it,
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Speaker 1: but later the cops he's not willing to give up
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Speaker 1: and he takes Jet hostage, but their dad, Chet shows
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Speaker 1: up and punches the cop in face to free him,
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Speaker 1: and the whole thing gets recorded and the cop is
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Speaker 1: placed under arrest and Dedre negotiates with the owner of
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Speaker 1: the train company. Right. So, in this I think one
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Speaker 1: day waited forget to talk about is Dad, who continues
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Speaker 1: to say throughout I'm a better father when I'm gone.
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Speaker 1: When I'm not there, Um, I'm just around if you
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Speaker 1: need me, And it's obvious that he does love his children,
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Speaker 1: like as bad as it seems, Freeland never really gets
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Speaker 1: to that. He's so toxic type of level, and he
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Speaker 1: does run away though, after taking Jet coming to the
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Speaker 1: pageant to support his daughter, he decides he's going to
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Speaker 1: run away because that's what he does, arguing with the
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Speaker 1: toy that his son, who obviously adores him, gave to
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Speaker 1: him and to protect him, and he's arguing like, but no,
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Speaker 1: I'm a better father when I'm away though, and then
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Speaker 1: when Dietrich reaches out, he comes back and he's like,
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Speaker 1: it's my time, I can do this. Um, so he
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Speaker 1: does redeem himself to that certain point. But he also
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Speaker 1: does tell them, hey, isn't your DNA to be a criminal,
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Speaker 1: which doesn't really sad to me in every way it
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Speaker 1: could be. But again he does redeem himself trying to
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Speaker 1: come see him, although the ending was super weird where
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Speaker 1: he misses her. So their mom returns home just in
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Speaker 1: time to make sure that family doesn't get separated by
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Speaker 1: CPS because CPS has discovered everything. She charges with Dedra,
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Speaker 1: even though she is an adult eighteen year old, for
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Speaker 1: leaving the children with the father. Although as a CPS worker,
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Speaker 1: this is not how this works, but I think it
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Speaker 1: was intended. And if we want to look at history, yes,
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Speaker 1: social work and CPS has really harmed the Native American
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Speaker 1: community a lot. And there's still a lot to be said,
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Speaker 1: and there's a lot of leeway that gets too much
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Speaker 1: authority to CPS, especially when it comes to indigenous families
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Speaker 1: in the US. That's the side point. But I will
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Speaker 1: just say what this looks like. But you see that
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Speaker 1: happening and everything gets resolved and it's beautiful. Everybody hugs
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Speaker 1: their family comes together love it. Didra like we flashed
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Speaker 1: forward four months? Did packs and gets ready for college
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Speaker 1: to a tearful family goodbye. Uh, the sibling relationship between
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Speaker 1: the two sisters is really beautiful. She passes a train
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Speaker 1: and watches and thinks about her past and her future. Uh,
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Speaker 1: we to see yes, Like I said, the weird scene
20:02
Speaker 1: the dad shows up too late to say goodbye, there's
20:05
Speaker 1: a little bit of disappointment, but kind of like hey,
20:07
Speaker 1: and then we know that there's an attraction between the
20:09
Speaker 1: mom and dad still, so who knows what's going to
20:12
Speaker 1: happen there and the story. Then we see, like an
20:16
Speaker 1: end credit scene, the counselor, who is really motivating the kids,
20:21
Speaker 1: talking about going to college and how she's going to help.
20:24
Speaker 1: Kind of brings up the whole train robbing thing, which
20:27
Speaker 1: lady laughs about. And yes, everybody's motivated, and we're all
20:30
Speaker 1: going to pretend every single one of them went to
20:32
Speaker 1: college and happily ever after. Yeah. Yeah, I mean it
20:38
Speaker 1: was a nice touch because that whole time I kept
20:41
Speaker 1: thinking like, oh, I don't leave. It's complicated, but you
20:45
Speaker 1: get it. But I kept being like, oh no, totally.
20:47
Speaker 1: Even then at the credit scenes, she's like, no, that's nice,
20:54
Speaker 1: but she walks away. Yes, yes, yes, yes, I mean,
21:00
Speaker 1: she went through some things with them, through some things obviously, Yeah,
21:06
Speaker 1: And I will give it to the casting. I don't
21:09
Speaker 1: know who casted them, but it was very diverse group.
21:12
Speaker 1: I love that it was told from this perspective, from
21:14
Speaker 1: dangerous perspective. I do love that we have a multicultural diversity.
21:20
Speaker 1: That the villains in this movie, if there was real villains,
21:23
Speaker 1: would have been the white men. And I see that, uh,
21:27
Speaker 1: and in government in itself, and just a downfall of
21:31
Speaker 1: a single motherhood and the constant like push back as
21:36
Speaker 1: well as she does have a conversation about the how
21:39
Speaker 1: she was saving money, not necessarily just for college, but
21:41
Speaker 1: to actually apply, and they have this conversation about, like,
21:44
Speaker 1: you could apply to the IVY leagues. You have money
21:46
Speaker 1: to do that, and y'all it is we know this
21:49
Speaker 1: if you've gone through the college process. And I'm guessing
21:50
Speaker 1: it's even worse today. I don't know. It costs a
21:53
Speaker 1: lot of money. I had to limit myself to sending
21:56
Speaker 1: out I think three applications because it was like seventy
21:59
Speaker 1: five dollars pop. M hm. At that point in time,
22:02
Speaker 1: I was like, what is this nonsense? And as a
22:05
Speaker 1: high schooler who whose family could not afford to do that.
22:09
Speaker 1: I'm like, what it is set up? It is a
22:11
Speaker 1: rigged system in a conversation, But I think Freeland has
22:16
Speaker 1: done a great job and of making this in a
22:18
Speaker 1: positive note with addressing some of the things within it. Again,
22:22
Speaker 1: the diversity in its beautiful. I love that they are
22:25
Speaker 1: not playing up the disgusting Hollywood tropes in that you
22:31
Speaker 1: even though she is a main friend, she's not the blonde,
22:35
Speaker 1: perfect shaped eight like obviously twenty five year old pretending
22:39
Speaker 1: to be a high schooler who is the mayor. Like,
22:42
Speaker 1: I like this level of like, huh, they're just kiss
22:46
Speaker 1: this is this is what high school looked like, not
22:49
Speaker 1: this whole supermodel level of high school. I really appreciated
22:52
Speaker 1: that as well. Yeah, I thought that it was fun
22:56
Speaker 1: in that sense where there were a lot of tropes
23:01
Speaker 1: that I was expecting to play out one way and
23:03
Speaker 1: then they didn't. And that was one and a lot
23:07
Speaker 1: of people wrote about how they appreciated the body diversity
23:10
Speaker 1: of that because she was you know, an average in
23:13
Speaker 1: heavy quotes, but like you know, average body size for
23:17
Speaker 1: a young girl. And there were just so many things
23:22
Speaker 1: that I kept because I've seen I haven't seen a
23:26
Speaker 1: ton of high school movies. I've seen enough, and I
23:29
Speaker 1: would do all these tropes that you just know, and
23:31
Speaker 1: I kept waiting for them to play out that way,
23:32
Speaker 1: and they didn't, and I did, like, you know, it
23:35
Speaker 1: was tackling a lot of pretty heavy stuff, but it
23:39
Speaker 1: did it in a manner that felt hopeful and lighthearted.
23:44
Speaker 1: Which you can have various conversations about those kinds of things,
23:47
Speaker 1: but it was nice to have a presentation of it
23:49
Speaker 1: that was not so like everything is the worse and
23:52
Speaker 1: it's going to ruin all of your relationships and your
23:55
Speaker 1: family sucks. I think. I think one of the things
23:58
Speaker 1: I really appreciated about the movie is there's a lot
24:00
Speaker 1: of traumatic experiences for childhood, and she addressed all of
24:03
Speaker 1: these and she didn't go to in depth, but she
24:06
Speaker 1: also was really careful not to trigger to me, for
24:08
Speaker 1: those who may have experienced these things. Don't get me wrong.
24:11
Speaker 1: If you're triggered, you're triggered, and it happens, and it
24:13
Speaker 1: won't happen. You have no control about that. You have
24:16
Speaker 1: no control in being triggered. Let's just be honest. We
24:18
Speaker 1: really wish you could, because I would like to be
24:20
Speaker 1: able to not have to you know, go through a
24:23
Speaker 1: moment of like complete breakdown when I'm eating a certain
24:26
Speaker 1: type of foodbare like, oh my god, I remember this
24:28
Speaker 1: from my past. That was not a good moment. It
24:30
Speaker 1: would be great if I didn't have to experience that.
24:32
Speaker 1: But I think she has a great making sure to
24:36
Speaker 1: keep it lighthearted. And I think that again, this is
24:38
Speaker 1: considered a teen movie. Didn't realize this, uh, But because
24:42
Speaker 1: of that, she wanted to tackle enough but not overwhelmed
24:46
Speaker 1: where it's causing more trauma, which is what happens with
24:49
Speaker 1: a lot of these movies in general. And again, when
24:53
Speaker 1: we talk about inappropriate laughter and when we say inappropriate
24:56
Speaker 1: meaning you find this inappropriate, but for us, this is
24:58
Speaker 1: how we cope, I think this is kind along those
25:00
Speaker 1: same lines in that field. Yeah. And also we did
25:05
Speaker 1: pick out this movie because of his Native American Heritage Month,
25:08
Speaker 1: and this is one of the top rated films and
25:11
Speaker 1: I see why, and I love it, and I'm really
25:13
Speaker 1: sad that it took me to go down this list
25:15
Speaker 1: during this month to actually see this movie. Yes. Yes,
25:20
Speaker 1: And one of the things that's really important about this
25:24
Speaker 1: movie is that it was because so often indigenous stories
25:28
Speaker 1: are told by people who are not Indigenous, but this
25:32
Speaker 1: was an Indigenous person who was directing it and a
25:34
Speaker 1: transperson who was directing it. Then you could just feel that.
25:39
Speaker 1: And I thought throughout all of it, and I did.
25:43
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that a little bit more in a second.
25:45
Speaker 1: I did want to talk about the family aspects and
25:49
Speaker 1: the sisterhood aspect, but first we did mention earlier pornification,
25:53
Speaker 1: and that's an episode we've done in the past, um
25:55
Speaker 1: that a lot of people. It resonated with a lot
25:58
Speaker 1: of people, and that was something And I was watching
26:00
Speaker 1: this always like yes, do you dress so like having
26:05
Speaker 1: to play this role of taking care of your younger
26:08
Speaker 1: siblings and having to take on these responsibilities on top
26:11
Speaker 1: of like trying to get to college and on top
26:14
Speaker 1: of like making money to college, all of this stuff,
26:18
Speaker 1: and it just made me think of like this whole
26:20
Speaker 1: idea of the hustle and how girls and women are
26:25
Speaker 1: really being expected to do it all. Like no one's asking, right,
26:31
Speaker 1: are you? Like is this too much? Is it? We're
26:33
Speaker 1: just being expected? Like that's the level is you better
26:37
Speaker 1: handle your own stuff and if you can't, that's on you, right,
26:42
Speaker 1: Like what we see is the very like small slim
26:45
Speaker 1: bit of the mother where she's just working and you
26:47
Speaker 1: don't know what's happening to where we realize what she's
26:50
Speaker 1: done trying to do for the family. Um. And then
26:53
Speaker 1: we come to the father who literally has not paid
26:55
Speaker 1: any child supports but hands over thirteen dollars. Yeah, but
26:59
Speaker 1: we all so see that he leaves toys on the
27:02
Speaker 1: train track for his son like it's it's very cute
27:05
Speaker 1: the way he does it. Again, that does not absolve
27:08
Speaker 1: him from what he is uh done in the past
27:10
Speaker 1: and continues to do uh for the to the kids essentially.
27:14
Speaker 1: But yeah, and we do see that breakdown as the
27:17
Speaker 1: oldest sibling taking care of her her family, taking care
27:21
Speaker 1: of her siblings, trying to find her own way in life,
27:25
Speaker 1: really trying to come out of something that's that she
27:27
Speaker 1: wants the more in that conversation, and then having the
27:30
Speaker 1: breakdown of being an eighteen year old and figuring out
27:34
Speaker 1: how to get out of a thing that she doesn't like,
27:36
Speaker 1: but also being loyal to her family, so that divide
27:39
Speaker 1: with her like taking the money and trying to make
27:42
Speaker 1: more money and then getting caught up in making that
27:45
Speaker 1: money is this whole big thing, and it is that
27:48
Speaker 1: that is the complication, and that is part of that
27:50
Speaker 1: conversation we had about promnification, feeling guilty when you're older
27:55
Speaker 1: because you are trying to take care of yourself and
27:57
Speaker 1: that is so unnatural. So that conflict and we do
28:00
Speaker 1: get to see that, especially when it comes down to it.
28:03
Speaker 1: And I think they did a smart job in making
28:04
Speaker 1: this like two older sisters, because the whole complex, and
28:09
Speaker 1: she would even more complex to have an older brother
28:12
Speaker 1: and an older sister, because that complicated of who's going
28:14
Speaker 1: to be the caretaker is often laid on the girl
28:17
Speaker 1: no matter what typically, and especially when it comes to healthcare, childcare,
28:23
Speaker 1: all of that. Yeah. Yeah, And I mean when I
28:26
Speaker 1: was watching it, I just kept thinking, like, you're so smart,
28:29
Speaker 1: She's so smart that she's bored. She made I was like, daily,
28:33
Speaker 1: that's really good. Yes, but like as you said that,
28:38
Speaker 1: there were just all these things where she was set
28:41
Speaker 1: up to fail, all these obstacles working against her, and
28:48
Speaker 1: it's just watching it, I was just exhausted, Like this
28:50
Speaker 1: is way too much. I could not imagine trying to
28:55
Speaker 1: figure out how to pay for the bills with the
28:57
Speaker 1: power going off, how to fight off CPS two, keep
29:00
Speaker 1: your family together, So being the caretaker and constantly being
29:03
Speaker 1: there as well as realizing I need to do this
29:06
Speaker 1: for my mom who seems to not care. I don't
29:09
Speaker 1: know what's happening, but she seems to not care. On
29:12
Speaker 1: top of the fact that she's trying to live her
29:14
Speaker 1: own life, which she really had high hopes for which
29:17
Speaker 1: was dashed within a day. And I think it's also
29:20
Speaker 1: like this conversation for her to not be her mother.
29:24
Speaker 1: So when Dedra is talking to Laney about her I
29:28
Speaker 1: don't understand why this pageant is a big deal for you.
29:31
Speaker 1: We need all these other things we need to think about,
29:33
Speaker 1: you know, the basic needs of our home. And then
29:36
Speaker 1: hearing what happened between her mother and Laney, and then
29:39
Speaker 1: hearing what's happening between Laney and the friend, and realizing
29:42
Speaker 1: the bigger you know, casualty in this level for her, like, oh,
29:47
Speaker 1: she is already low in confidence, but now we're really
29:51
Speaker 1: killing her spirit. And I'm part of this because I'm
29:54
Speaker 1: not I'm kind of putting on the mother phase of
29:57
Speaker 1: doing my own things and trying to do to care
29:59
Speaker 1: for the bab knees. Once again, is that bigger conversation
30:02
Speaker 1: in homes that are financially and economically. In trouble is
30:08
Speaker 1: that you can't get to these bigger knees, these these
30:11
Speaker 1: emotional traumas because you're trying to care for the basic needs,
30:14
Speaker 1: and it becomes problematic in itself. And though they are
30:17
Speaker 1: doing the damned best they can, they're still that giant
30:21
Speaker 1: part missing and it can go awry. Mm hmm. Yeah.
30:27
Speaker 1: Watching it, I I just felt like, even though they
30:31
Speaker 1: went about it in such different ways, the mom and
30:33
Speaker 1: Didre had kind of the same, like this ambition of
30:37
Speaker 1: like more, and for Deedre, I feel like she lost
30:40
Speaker 1: for a minute, she lost herself in it where she
30:42
Speaker 1: was just like we could keep going um and she
30:46
Speaker 1: had to have that kind of human moment with her
30:48
Speaker 1: sister where she was like, no, we were just going
30:50
Speaker 1: to do this to get her mom out, like I
30:54
Speaker 1: thought we were going to stay together. But I do
30:57
Speaker 1: think that narrative was really really interesting. I think that
31:02
Speaker 1: there was that whole kind of narrative of pushing marginalized
31:07
Speaker 1: communities into crime for this basic survival and then blaming
31:12
Speaker 1: these communities for it, because I mean, what else were
31:16
Speaker 1: they gonna do? Like like when that guy says like, oh,
31:20
Speaker 1: it's about Victorian, why would it ever be the v Victorian. Well,
31:25
Speaker 1: there's so much working against you, right, then this is
31:31
Speaker 1: option for you, and especially like for children for trying
31:35
Speaker 1: to keep their family together. I don't know, I just
31:38
Speaker 1: felt so it made sense, like your options are so few,
31:45
Speaker 1: then rob train. Right. This is the whole conversation with
32:02
Speaker 1: this as well, when we're talking about marginalized communities and
32:05
Speaker 1: again what I've seen and I don't think we have
32:09
Speaker 1: anybody in our listenership that would ever argue that these
32:12
Speaker 1: possibilities could happen. But the fact of the matter is
32:15
Speaker 1: when the cards are stacked against you, there's only so
32:19
Speaker 1: much you can do. And of course this was the overarching,
32:24
Speaker 1: like obviously sarcastic response of we're gonna rob a train,
32:27
Speaker 1: you know, because that sounds ridiculously like implausible. But when
32:33
Speaker 1: I see oftentimes and it's not necessarily that they're just
32:36
Speaker 1: going for needs, it is literally a conversation of I
32:40
Speaker 1: don't understand why we can't do this, but they can.
32:44
Speaker 1: And it's this conversation that I've had for a long time,
32:48
Speaker 1: and then within my social work community of like part
32:50
Speaker 1: of this problem is, yeah, these kids are angry. The
32:53
Speaker 1: movie in itself was like finding basic needs, realizing they
32:56
Speaker 1: can do it, realizing they can get away with it.
32:58
Speaker 1: So going for the more uh for this specific plot.
33:01
Speaker 1: But what I've seen specifically in marginalized communities is that
33:05
Speaker 1: they are angry because they're not afforded that same level
33:08
Speaker 1: of privilege, and so they will do what they can
33:12
Speaker 1: to try to equal it out or even it out
33:15
Speaker 1: with no regards to others, because there's no regards to them.
33:19
Speaker 1: You know, there's just this pattern of this conversation that
33:21
Speaker 1: we have to have that, Yeah, when you talk about
33:24
Speaker 1: what is happening, and it feels so when someone is robbed,
33:27
Speaker 1: it feels like you're being violated. I get it, I
33:30
Speaker 1: see it. But when we talk about the underlying issues
33:33
Speaker 1: of some of the things that are being stolen are
33:38
Speaker 1: iPhones and and silly things, but at the same time
33:40
Speaker 1: it's like, but it's a luxury, but at the same time,
33:43
Speaker 1: it's a status. And there is also this conversation of
33:47
Speaker 1: how we are pitting are because against each other when
33:51
Speaker 1: it comes to items like this, as well as the
33:54
Speaker 1: fact that people are tired of having to do the basic.
33:58
Speaker 1: I get tired of doing the basic. I am fairly privileged.
34:01
Speaker 1: I get it. But as the person who was doing
34:03
Speaker 1: three jobs at one point in time, I was really
34:05
Speaker 1: wishing I could have been that one person was like, Man,
34:07
Speaker 1: where's my uncle. Where's my dead uncle? Who's gonna give
34:10
Speaker 1: me a hundred thousand bucks? Uh? Because he's dead now,
34:13
Speaker 1: Like I really wish I could have had that one.
34:16
Speaker 1: But the fact of the matter is I don't. I
34:17
Speaker 1: don't want anyone to die. But all of that to
34:19
Speaker 1: say is that there is that level of like, yeah,
34:22
Speaker 1: you have a whole level of privilege when things are
34:25
Speaker 1: not equal, and then because it's not equal, you're not
34:28
Speaker 1: able to meet the equity that needs to happen in
34:31
Speaker 1: order for things to be balanced out because equal no
34:33
Speaker 1: longer becomes the even playing field. It just makes you
34:36
Speaker 1: realiended some more and hope you can be okay again
34:39
Speaker 1: being a conversation and we're making this a really big thing,
34:41
Speaker 1: and I get really needed about it. I know I do.
34:44
Speaker 1: But there's this conversation of yes, we are creating and
34:48
Speaker 1: fostering a community and an environment that says this is
34:53
Speaker 1: your only option. Good luck with it, survive. Yeah, And
34:59
Speaker 1: I mean this was a it, like we said in
35:01
Speaker 1: a lighthearted movie. And I think that there are considerations
35:05
Speaker 1: to keep in mind. But the way it was, I
35:08
Speaker 1: think it was beautiful and it presented all this all
35:11
Speaker 1: these issues in a way that didn't feel so like upsetting.
35:14
Speaker 1: But at the end and they were like confronting the
35:16
Speaker 1: cop and recording, and I was like this terribly, Like
35:22
Speaker 1: I was scared because of our real world issues and
35:26
Speaker 1: how that could have gone. And I kept thinking, you know, yeah,
35:29
Speaker 1: this is these kids did this because they thought they
35:32
Speaker 1: had to, and then they could have died for it, right, Yeah,
35:37
Speaker 1: I found that interesting with the fact that again I
35:40
Speaker 1: think it also equates to the one with a superiority
35:45
Speaker 1: complex really needing to solve a crime and gave no
35:49
Speaker 1: care to who it was affecting. And when he makes
35:52
Speaker 1: the statement of it doesn't matter, all I need is
35:54
Speaker 1: that arrest, which is yeah, it's an implication too. Yeah,
35:59
Speaker 1: that's the belief of a lot of law and order.
36:02
Speaker 1: And that's part of the problem as well, which is
36:04
Speaker 1: also when we talk about the loss of life in
36:06
Speaker 1: general and then talking about well, they shouldn't have done
36:09
Speaker 1: these things, but like, but no matter what they did,
36:11
Speaker 1: they didn't deserve to die. They didn't deserve that. What
36:14
Speaker 1: is happening and it's kind of that same lines of, uh,
36:19
Speaker 1: I assume you're a bad person because people in your
36:21
Speaker 1: life are bad people, or and or whatever the situation
36:25
Speaker 1: may have been. The system is corrupt, so therefore I
36:28
Speaker 1: will I will use my assumptions on you, and that
36:31
Speaker 1: will be law, that will be the instatement. And I
36:34
Speaker 1: think again they did play this out well as well
36:37
Speaker 1: as the fact that, like I did see a feeling
36:39
Speaker 1: I don't know about you. When Dejo walks away from
36:41
Speaker 1: the white cop, the white cop looks really confused, and
36:45
Speaker 1: she looks like she feels guilty for ruining his job.
36:48
Speaker 1: And I don't know if that's the case, but she
36:50
Speaker 1: has a weird look. It's not satisfaction. It's not satisfaction.
36:56
Speaker 1: When I my first take was it was like confusion,
37:01
Speaker 1: like she didn't know how to feel. But yeah, it
37:04
Speaker 1: wasn't satisfaction. It was definitely more of a mess of emotions,
37:09
Speaker 1: I think again having to do what she had to do.
37:12
Speaker 1: Mm hmm oh. And then I did want to briefly
37:15
Speaker 1: touch on We've talked a little bit about single motherhood
37:18
Speaker 1: throughout this, but I do think I appreciated the way
37:23
Speaker 1: um this movie presented the complexities of that, like you
37:29
Speaker 1: had the prunification aspect, but she also saw the mother's
37:31
Speaker 1: side and you understood it like it you get, yeah,
37:35
Speaker 1: doing what she had to do, doing what she had
37:37
Speaker 1: to do, doing the best she could a lot of things,
37:40
Speaker 1: and the systems set up against her. But yeah, it's
37:45
Speaker 1: just when you see that scene when she finally was
37:49
Speaker 1: like no, I was saving up for this, and he
37:50
Speaker 1: just thought, Wow, even in this little montage, I'm exhausted
37:54
Speaker 1: for you, like so much that is being put on
38:01
Speaker 1: put on her getting it's just constant having to fight
38:08
Speaker 1: in having to work and having to do all this
38:10
Speaker 1: stuff and being tired, right, it's kind of the vibe.
38:14
Speaker 1: I I think it's an interesting concept to be able
38:16
Speaker 1: to see the main point of view for the sibling.
38:19
Speaker 1: So it's setting up for Didre and her sister as
38:22
Speaker 1: the main characters, and then you see like the peripheral
38:26
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, yeah, as a kind of like, hey,
38:29
Speaker 1: it's not as completely as this as well as the side.
38:31
Speaker 1: I think it's a reminder for Dedra, which is not
38:33
Speaker 1: for everyone, that she does have people there for her.
38:36
Speaker 1: She just it's a different way than what she needs sometimes, right, right,
38:40
Speaker 1: And that's not to say, like, as we said that
38:42
Speaker 1: portification episode, that that can have major issues and long
38:46
Speaker 1: term impacts. But I liked that they presented the single
38:50
Speaker 1: mother is like, well, this is what she was dealing
38:52
Speaker 1: with two Like, it was very complex and I thought
38:54
Speaker 1: very fleshed out of like they all had these things
38:58
Speaker 1: that they were dealing with, and there's is a complicated
39:02
Speaker 1: conversation again when you don't have outside support, and we've
39:05
Speaker 1: talked about that and what does this look like and
39:07
Speaker 1: doing your damned this so that you can keep the
39:09
Speaker 1: family together. Yes, yes, um, And speaking of I mean,
39:13
Speaker 1: one of the most beautiful aspects that we've been talking
39:16
Speaker 1: about it was this bond of the sisters throughout the
39:19
Speaker 1: movie and seeing it grow. And I did really love
39:21
Speaker 1: how we got to see them kind of like be
39:24
Speaker 1: happy with each other and build each other up, and
39:27
Speaker 1: then they'd have these fights, and it was really nice
39:30
Speaker 1: to see them like makeup from the fights as well,
39:33
Speaker 1: Like it was always a pretty like, oh, no, I've
39:37
Speaker 1: done wrong, I want to make up for it, which again, yet, look,
39:40
Speaker 1: these are teen kind of comedy drama movies, so that
39:44
Speaker 1: doesn't always happen in real life. But it was nice.
39:46
Speaker 1: It was like refreshing to see this sister relationship bloom
39:51
Speaker 1: and have them support each other and really like fill
39:53
Speaker 1: in the gaps of where the other person was missing
39:56
Speaker 1: and like needed that support. It was really really really lovely.
40:01
Speaker 1: I thought it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely the heart
40:05
Speaker 1: of the movie. I would say though, it was I
40:07
Speaker 1: feel like the mother at that and that was that
40:11
Speaker 1: was good. That was good. And then yes, representation, as
40:15
Speaker 1: we said this was it was refreshing also to see
40:19
Speaker 1: this an Indigenous story that was told from an Indigenous voice,
40:24
Speaker 1: because that doesn't happen often enough. And I did think
40:28
Speaker 1: that was interesting as well, because there was a theme,
40:31
Speaker 1: as I said, throughout the movie of um taking credit
40:34
Speaker 1: for other people's work and what other people have done,
40:39
Speaker 1: and I thought that was that was pretty fascinating because
40:43
Speaker 1: that has been what has happened a lot when it
40:46
Speaker 1: comes in terms of these Indigenous stories and who's making
40:49
Speaker 1: them and who's getting the credit for them. But you
40:52
Speaker 1: see like Dedre and Laney be like, no, you're taking
40:56
Speaker 1: credit for what I've done. You're taking credit for all
41:00
Speaker 1: the work that I've put into something. And I was like, yeah,
41:05
Speaker 1: I think they did. Again, we talked about how the
41:07
Speaker 1: school like really looked like an actual what I would
41:11
Speaker 1: have thought of as the high school when I saw
41:13
Speaker 1: as a high schooler instead of the glam squad that
41:16
Speaker 1: was like territorially around. I definitely had a friend like
41:21
Speaker 1: Claire definitely did not to that extreme, but Boo like
41:25
Speaker 1: trying to like gaslight me and so that that could
41:28
Speaker 1: be her, you know, hype girl essentially and never really
41:31
Speaker 1: being the center of anything and everything like that wasn't lovely. Um,
41:35
Speaker 1: it wasn't in high school tho. It was more middle school.
41:37
Speaker 1: But like seeing that as a representation, but yeah, I
41:40
Speaker 1: think like having those kind of like looks and seeing
41:44
Speaker 1: what was happening with that, it was it was good
41:46
Speaker 1: to see in that level, Like not necessarily like I
41:50
Speaker 1: don't want everybody to be like high school is awful,
41:53
Speaker 1: but insentially like the actual look of the high school.
41:55
Speaker 1: They actually used the real people what you would see
41:58
Speaker 1: instead of this glam looking squad. And yeah, like everybody
42:01
Speaker 1: being represented well and like the diversity throughout. So it
42:05
Speaker 1: was nice to see that on top of yeah, yeah,
42:08
Speaker 1: and I think plenty of storylines, Like I said, they
42:11
Speaker 1: didn't go how I thought, and they kind of resolved
42:14
Speaker 1: in a way that felt more realistic in comparison to
42:19
Speaker 1: these high school films, glam films that you're talking about,
42:21
Speaker 1: where I was like, yeah, yeah, get you're getting to
42:24
Speaker 1: fight at pageant. Yeah, uh, that seems about right. Yeah,
42:31
Speaker 1: And I did appreciate that as well. And I thought
42:34
Speaker 1: it was a pretty accurate depiction of high school, uh
42:38
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. And it was interesting to
42:40
Speaker 1: see Laney, like she's struggling with this self confidence and
42:42
Speaker 1: like being in this pageant and kind of figuring out
42:48
Speaker 1: like her personality through that, or at least the personality
42:51
Speaker 1: like she'd been too afraid to perhaps show in front
42:55
Speaker 1: of people. And I did want to touch on two
42:58
Speaker 1: before we finish up here. I think that shame was
43:03
Speaker 1: a big theme throughout this of where you live and
43:06
Speaker 1: where you go to school and where you work and
43:09
Speaker 1: what you can afford and like what money offers you.
43:15
Speaker 1: And I just thought that was pretty powerful like throughout it,
43:19
Speaker 1: like I feel like there were a lot of things
43:21
Speaker 1: in the family they didn't share because of shame, because
43:24
Speaker 1: they were ashamed, Like the mom was ashamed of what
43:27
Speaker 1: she felt was like too little she could offer, and
43:30
Speaker 1: Dedre was kind of ashamed because she wanted to go
43:33
Speaker 1: into this you know, big college or nice college and
43:36
Speaker 1: get out of where she was when she she wrote
43:39
Speaker 1: on her like application like anywhere two hundred miles from
43:42
Speaker 1: here or something like just a lot of a lot
43:45
Speaker 1: of this shame and how it kept a lot of
43:48
Speaker 1: the characters quiet about things that you know, if they
43:53
Speaker 1: hot and felt shame of it, and then they could
43:54
Speaker 1: have talked about it and then maybe they wouldn't have
43:57
Speaker 1: had these issues. But it's all so like the shame
44:02
Speaker 1: is a lot of societal stuff like right, well, I
44:06
Speaker 1: mean we definitely touch on a little bit. Again they
44:09
Speaker 1: don't go too deep, but like about mental health with
44:11
Speaker 1: the mother having a breakdown and what that looked like
44:15
Speaker 1: and we didn't know exactly why, and honestly, when you
44:17
Speaker 1: first meet the mom, you really think there may be
44:18
Speaker 1: a psychiatric level of needs that we don't understand. They're
44:22
Speaker 1: not going to talk about, but we see what that
44:24
Speaker 1: goes through. And then the shame that Laney has called
44:27
Speaker 1: out for her mom's actions at one point in time,
44:30
Speaker 1: Laney being shy and really trying to find any competence
44:33
Speaker 1: whatsoever to be seen in general. Again, she talks about
44:36
Speaker 1: how she just doesn't know anything, she's not good at anything.
44:39
Speaker 1: You have the teacher trying to encourage her. I will say,
44:41
Speaker 1: I feel like that was the biggest fantasy level that
44:43
Speaker 1: everybody in the school was supportive of them. I was like, well,
44:46
Speaker 1: you know that's not always true, especially of those who
44:49
Speaker 1: are in the marginalized community. But I do love that this.
44:51
Speaker 1: I wish it was a thing, right right, Yeah, but yeah,
45:01
Speaker 1: we both really enjoyed this movie. We recommend it. You
45:04
Speaker 1: have Netflix, it's on there. Um, it's yeah, it's a
45:08
Speaker 1: it's a fun watch. It's not that long if you're
45:11
Speaker 1: looking for something, it's not trauma, and it's like you
45:14
Speaker 1: can you can sit and enjoy and laugh like it's
45:16
Speaker 1: a it's a thing, and then just have a moment.
45:18
Speaker 1: You do have a little bit of willing suspicion of
45:21
Speaker 1: disbelief there, a little bit like I said, I guess
45:24
Speaker 1: I'm too caught up in that world. I'm like, that's
45:26
Speaker 1: not how I turned out. Yeah, for sure, there were
45:29
Speaker 1: moments where I was like, oh no, but that's true
45:33
Speaker 1: with a lot of the things. But that doesn't make
45:36
Speaker 1: it any less as good as it is. Like we
45:38
Speaker 1: would tend to recommend, yes, go check it. Out and
45:41
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