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TMCP Ep 29: Can Lamont Roach Fill the Void Left By Tank · The Mixed Company Podcast

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  Speaker 1: In this corner, standing at six foot five, weight class unknowns,
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  Speaker 1: but hailing from the city of Scenes. Put your hands
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  Speaker 1: together for Jamison will And in this corner, then in
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  Speaker 1: at five foot ten, weighing in at pound and coming
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  Speaker 1: to us from his super secret bunker with no ac
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  Speaker 1: in Tucson, Arizona.
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  Speaker 2: Put your hands together for Luis Montemoo.
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  Speaker 3: All right, welcoming back to an audition of the Bets
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  Speaker 3: Company podcast. Of course I'm one of the hosts, Jameson Wells,
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  Speaker 3: and of course I'm joined by Louise. Louise spend a
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  Speaker 3: couple of weeks. What's going on? What's going on?
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  Speaker 2: Well, a lot has been happening in the boxing world.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm really happy to be back on the mic.
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  Speaker 2: A little bummed out that Spooky season is over now
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  Speaker 2: we're in Thanksgiving season. But that's fine. I'm gonna keep
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  Speaker 2: the horror movies going all year long. And now I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna prep to stuff my fat face with a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of turkey and mashed potatoes and everything.
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  Speaker 3: So fair enough, fair enough.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, No, it's not that you know what. I
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  Speaker 2: don't like Ristmas. Honestly, I like Halloween, Thanksgiving air, but
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  Speaker 2: the Christmas music. I'm just sick of it. It's the
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  Speaker 2: same damn songs and I kind of hate it. So
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  Speaker 2: I've grown to hate it so much. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: about you, Ah, it is what it is.
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  Speaker 3: I don't take much to it. Why, I don't even
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  Speaker 3: be thinking about it. It comes and goes, so I
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  Speaker 3: don't pay no mind too. I was, you know, but
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  Speaker 3: the holidays, it's one of those things where it comes,
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  Speaker 3: it goes, and we just keep keeping moving.
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  Speaker 2: That's fair. That's fair. I mean it's easier for us
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  Speaker 2: because we don't have kids, so we don't have to
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  Speaker 2: worry about all right, So let's get into the news man,
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  Speaker 2: let's talk about what's been going on. It's our sip
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  Speaker 2: recurring segment the Boxing Gazette, the finest source in boxing news,
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, the biggest thing that we got to talk
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  Speaker 2: about is actually, let me start here. We got to
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  Speaker 2: do a quick promo because last week, as you know,
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  Speaker 2: you weren't able to participate, but the show was invited
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  Speaker 2: to the Tucson Celtic Festival to do a remote episode.
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  Speaker 2: So our producer Jabrian Davis and I we went out
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  Speaker 2: there to the fest were recorded actually a fifteen minute
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  Speaker 2: mini episode that's available on YouTube right now. And it
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  Speaker 2: was a hell a lot of fun. We had a
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  Speaker 2: good time, okay, so I will give y'all it was great.
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  Speaker 2: So the fest was you know Scottish Scottish heritage fest.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it had some people throwing logs and like
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  Speaker 2: hay bails. There was like food, there was drinks, so
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  Speaker 2: you know, as music, it was really good people playing there,
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  Speaker 2: like playing in a band with like guitars and drums
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  Speaker 2: and also bagpipes you know, mixed into the to the
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  Speaker 2: style of music. So it was a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, cool, cool, good to hear.
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  Speaker 2: Let's let's check out this quick little reel for for
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  Speaker 2: everybodies to give a preview of the of that episode.
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  Speaker 2: The show invited us to do a special remote episode
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  Speaker 2: at the Tucson Celtic Festival. Hege Borie Davis here, a
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  Speaker 2: producer for the Mixed Company podcast. His reason the show exists.
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  Speaker 2: So we're gonna ask him a little bit about his
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  Speaker 2: history with boxing and where his love of it came from.
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  Speaker 3: And then as the fight's wrapping up, I'm like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: it's probably time to go. And everybody made it home safe,
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  Speaker 3: feel safe?
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  Speaker 2: Do that here?
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  Speaker 1: That's not always the case, hints the Mixed Company podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, apologies, I said Scott a heritage. I meant Celtic
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  Speaker 2: heritage to encompass you know, a lot of that region.
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  Speaker 2: But but yeah, you know, we have all these episodes
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  Speaker 2: are up on YouTube. We have a playlist under the
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  Speaker 2: nineteen Media group channel. Uh and that Celtic Festival video
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  Speaker 2: is exclusively on YouTube, so please go check that out.
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  Speaker 2: I edited the video myself, interviewed our producer about his
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  Speaker 2: you know, not just where his love of boxing came from,
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  Speaker 2: but how the show started, where the idea came from.
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  Speaker 2: So it was it was a good time, cool, cool,
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  Speaker 2: good here, good here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So off, let's jump into the official boxing news. So,
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  Speaker 2: the biggest thing that happened very recently is that the
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  Speaker 2: Paul versus Tank Davis fight was officially canceled due to
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  Speaker 2: Tank Davis getting into more legal trouble after he allegedly
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  Speaker 2: put his hands on another woman, choked the woman allegedly
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  Speaker 2: in a strip club, and he has a restraining order
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  Speaker 2: filed against them, and there is a civil lawsuit. No
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  Speaker 2: criminal charges, it appears, but he is being sued in
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  Speaker 2: the civil court. And that was enough for you know,
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  Speaker 2: the Paul team, the MVP team to call the entire
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  Speaker 2: fight off. You know, this man just cannot stop putting
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  Speaker 2: his hands on women. It's just it's it's a sickness
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  Speaker 2: that seems like. And you know, I wasn't excited about this,
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  Speaker 2: this Paul fight anyway, but I think this ses to show.
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  Speaker 2: We talked in a previous episode about Tank Davis's legacy
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  Speaker 2: and this is just gonna this is just gonna sour
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  Speaker 2: the end of his career even more. So, what are
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  Speaker 2: your thoughts on all this?
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  Speaker 3: So I don't even know, be honest with you, what
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  Speaker 3: his career is anymore. I don't because yeah, he was
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  Speaker 3: a great boxer and he knocked guys out. But it's
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  Speaker 3: too much that's happened outside the ring that is now
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  Speaker 3: covering up for what he did in the ring. And
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  Speaker 3: it's very unfortunate. But it's to the point now where
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  Speaker 3: it's one thing to have one bad situation. Things happen anyone.
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  Speaker 3: We are not perfect people. None of us are perfect.
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  Speaker 3: We're all human. We all make mistakes. However, the same
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  Speaker 3: mistake can't happen like five times with the same exact situation.
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  Speaker 3: It can't. Why I don't, I'm not a big fan
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  Speaker 3: of people leading women like that's not cool, especially when
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  Speaker 3: you have his skill set and his profession that you
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  Speaker 3: know that should not be happening. So to be honest
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  Speaker 3: with you, man, I'm cool on him if they these
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  Speaker 3: things just can't keep happening. It can't keep over and
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  Speaker 3: over and over again. It can't be the same thing
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  Speaker 3: every time when something happens you're accused of hitting someone.
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  Speaker 3: Come on, man, like what we doing? It keeps on happening,
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  Speaker 3: It keeps on happening, and we're not It's been a
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  Speaker 3: while since we talk about boxing with him, that real boxing.
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  Speaker 3: It's been too long since we focus on the actual
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  Speaker 3: sport itself, not some gimmick, not money, but actual boxing.
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  Speaker 3: The last time he was in a ring, he got
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  Speaker 3: out box for twelve whole rounds, and no one's talking
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  Speaker 3: about that. And now we don't know when he's gonna
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  Speaker 3: fight again, or if he ever does.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and I'll even I'll make this very clear.
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  Speaker 2: When it comes to boxers getting in trouble. You know,
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  Speaker 2: if a boxer's cut with drugs or something like that, Man,
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  Speaker 2: I don't give a shit. I do not care. Honestly,
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  Speaker 2: that's not a scandal. That's not like an issue. But
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  Speaker 2: this is different. You know, putting your hands on somebody,
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  Speaker 2: on a woman or anybody, that's a big, big deal.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, that's just not not okay. Period. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm the guy who's you know, if the if a
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  Speaker 2: boxer is like drunk at a strip club or whatever,
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  Speaker 2: you know, obviously you shouldn't be doing that because you
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  Speaker 2: should be in the gym, you should be focused, ready
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  Speaker 2: for fighting. But at the end of the day, you know,
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  Speaker 2: if they get back into into the gym and they're
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  Speaker 2: ready for fight night, I do not care. That does.
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  Speaker 2: None of that matters to me. But this actual, you know,
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  Speaker 2: assault against women, like that's that's just too too much
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  Speaker 2: to put up with. And yeah, you know, like it's
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  Speaker 2: it's a very good point that this guy's been in
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  Speaker 2: the news for other bullshit that's not you know, Wow,
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  Speaker 2: that fight he had was great or you know whatever. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: the last fight was was in March of this year.
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  Speaker 2: I just looked it up. The Lamont Roach fight was
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  Speaker 2: March of this year, and everything since has just.
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  Speaker 3: Been just bullshit. That's the issue. And the thing is,
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  Speaker 3: you keep getting accused of the same crime. You keep
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  Speaker 3: getting accused of the same thing. Now, this is a
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  Speaker 3: civil suit happening a shrimp club. All bets are off
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  Speaker 3: on what actually happened in there because he says, she say,
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  Speaker 3: it's a strip club. Who knows. However, with his reputation,
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  Speaker 3: you can't keep on getting accused of this. It cannot
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  Speaker 3: happen now. If it happened a strip club, there's a
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  Speaker 3: pretty good chance that there's footage of this. If there
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  Speaker 3: is footage of this, if he did indeed hit a
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  Speaker 3: woman out of the blue for no reason, I don't
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  Speaker 3: see him fighting again. I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And even though I said I don't, never really
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  Speaker 2: cared about the pull fight anyway, I think a good
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  Speaker 2: there has to be consequences to this behavior and him
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  Speaker 2: losing out on this, but definitely was gonna be a back.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna be a big back him losing on on that,
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  Speaker 2: you know what.
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  Speaker 3: Good.
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  Speaker 2: I don't feel bad for the guy. I don't feel
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  Speaker 2: bad for the well. Definitely don't care about losing this
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  Speaker 2: fight at all. But yeah, I mean it's when we
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  Speaker 2: talked about text legacy, I said, you know, people have
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  Speaker 2: a lot of recent advice, they tend to kind of
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  Speaker 2: remember what happens at the tail end more so not
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  Speaker 2: to say that well, for example, you know, it's a
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  Speaker 2: very different situation. You know, Manupeca had never got in
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  Speaker 2: trouble like this, but he had a great career, had
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  Speaker 2: a few losses, and we always talk about the knockout
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  Speaker 2: where he got knocked out by juanmel Marquez, because I
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  Speaker 2: was near the end of his career. That's just kind
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  Speaker 2: of is always there, like following him around. But so
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  Speaker 2: that's kind of just how people work. I think how
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  Speaker 2: people's brains work, they remember the most recent thing for
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  Speaker 2: a lot of fighters, for a lot of celebrities, to whatever.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's somebody, some musician has a great career
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  Speaker 2: and they come out with a crappy album and then
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  Speaker 2: people just don't stop talking about how that last album
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  Speaker 2: was shitty forever, you know. So I think this is
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  Speaker 2: definitely just adding more just making tanks. Legacy seems shittier
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  Speaker 2: and shittier with more things that happened like this, him
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  Speaker 2: taking the pul fight and not taking the Lamont Roach
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  Speaker 2: rematch was was part of a part of the problem
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  Speaker 2: for him. But man, it's a I think says he's
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  Speaker 2: gonna be remembered as that guy who oh yeah, he
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  Speaker 2: was pretty good, I guess, but then you know, he
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  Speaker 2: got into some ship and did some stupid crap and
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  Speaker 2: then he just kind of fizzled out. And I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: they will be talking about Tank Davis in like five years.
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  Speaker 3: We will because now a whole lot of guys that
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  Speaker 3: can do pay per views technically, so whenever your guy
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  Speaker 3: that can do pay per view and you're gone, you're
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  Speaker 3: you will be missed some wayhape or form. This show
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  Speaker 3: I have with it is we never saw a Tank
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  Speaker 3: in his prime. We never seen him take an elevation
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  Speaker 3: to take the next step as a boxer. You know,
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  Speaker 3: we never saw, oh he's up and the level he
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  Speaker 3: took us. We never seen that, like we see the
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  Speaker 3: Terrence Crawford of his game. We never saw, oh he's
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  Speaker 3: taking it. We never got to see that, and it's
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  Speaker 3: unfortunate because he had that potential. Unfortunately it's long gone
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  Speaker 3: and it's it's not happening.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So all right, Peter, that fight people or Jake
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  Speaker 2: Paul's already talking about finding a new opponent, and I
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  Speaker 2: would just kind of like, so, yeah, I'd like to
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  Speaker 2: yeah whatever. There's talks of him potentially fighting friends in
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  Speaker 2: the GNU, and I'm like, you know what, immediately said
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  Speaker 2: nay okay, okay, I didn't see that. Yeat Negata deserves
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  Speaker 2: way better because he won that type of furiy fight.
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  Speaker 3: Dam did.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Another topic this is I guess it's the
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  Speaker 2: show to air some grievances with the people that we
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  Speaker 2: keep crapping on because Top Rank, oh, Top Rank. Last
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  Speaker 2: week there was a fight between Michayla Mayor and Canadian
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  Speaker 2: boxer Mary Spencer that I was excited to watch. I
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  Speaker 2: went on Instagram. They even gave you a list of
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  Speaker 2: how to watch. Top Rank still doesn't have a tv
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  Speaker 2: TV deal, but they're figuring it out there. They had
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  Speaker 2: a little list of where you can watch. It was
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  Speaker 2: t B, Pluto TV, the Roku app and it was free.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, that's cool, okay, you know what, Tom Brank,
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate that, you know, yea, yeah, maybe maybe somebody
• 11:50
  Speaker 2: all get calls from your grandparents on how to the
• 11:53
  Speaker 2: computer question on how to watch this? What is what
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  Speaker 2: is to be TV. But you know, every smart TV
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  Speaker 2: has TV and Pluto and it's it's easy, got commercials.
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  Speaker 2: But then it was Friday. I was like waiting for
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  Speaker 2: you know, kind of figuring out what time it's gonna
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  Speaker 2: be where I was gonna be out for Halloween. Turns
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  Speaker 2: out the fight was actually the night before, on Thursday,
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  Speaker 2: And turns out it was at eight pm Eastern.
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  Speaker 3: Oh wow, I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah that I would have watched at five pm, Like,
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  Speaker 2: who the hell's gonna watch that top Rank? Like, I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 2: that's not that's not what boxing is. Yeah, like what
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  Speaker 2: I can't remember the last time that you know, a
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  Speaker 2: boxing match was before seven, you know, something like that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The worst part of it too is I just yes,
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  Speaker 2: it was on me because I just kind of assumed
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  Speaker 2: it would be on Friday. But also it's stupid Instagram's algorithm.
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  Speaker 2: They're like showing you things from two days before and
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  Speaker 2: they're like tomorrow it's the don't miss the Cala Mayor
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  Speaker 2: on top Rank and I'm like, yeah, yeah, I know,
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  Speaker 2: I know tomorrow because it's gonna be Friday, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean. It just gets all confused. So but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean boxing on Thursday's little you know, a little
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  Speaker 2: northodox anyway, because it's a Friday Saturday night'sport. But my
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  Speaker 2: birthday last year, there was a toughy malopus fight on
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  Speaker 2: Thursday night. On my actual birthday, went out to the
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  Speaker 2: Silver Room in Midtown, cool little dive bar, and I
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  Speaker 2: was there kind of just like waiting, like, all right,
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  Speaker 2: come on, Teo, it's gonna get like ten pm or
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  Speaker 2: any coming out, because again, that's when you expect the
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  Speaker 2: boxing match to be, right, m h, why the hell
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  Speaker 2: am I ever gonna be ready? Like for me as
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  Speaker 2: a boxing fan, I'm not gonna be like, oh, it's
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  Speaker 2: five pm, I gotta turn on this fight. I want
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  Speaker 2: to watch this main event. You know what I'm saying, right, So,
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  Speaker 2: top rank you just continue to disappoint me and I.
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  Speaker 2: If you want to be on TV and show all
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  Speaker 2: your fights, they're cool, like that's awesome. I even saw
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  Speaker 2: people on Instagram saying, hey, free fights, that's cool. Everybody's
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  Speaker 2: got asces to as long as they have a smart TV.
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  Speaker 2: But it's this whole Thursday night at five pm. Shit,
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  Speaker 2: I just I don't know. I don't know what they're thinking.
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  Speaker 2: So they take advantage of us. They take our.
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  Speaker 3: They take our watchability for granted, I don't the powers
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  Speaker 3: that we need to get this figured out. I don't
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  Speaker 3: have nothing against two B people make money on there.
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  Speaker 3: I don't nothing against them, but boxing deserves better. Boxings
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  Speaker 3: are is way better than that. However, when you don't
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  Speaker 3: have a main contract, when things are unsettling, when you're
• 14:18
  Speaker 3: in business with different entities and different people, these are
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  Speaker 3: things that can happen unfortunately. So so here we are.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we're dealing with all these outside entities and
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  Speaker 3: all these people who don't have boxes best interests at heart.
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  Speaker 3: They're just trying to make the most money as possible.
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  Speaker 3: This is what you get why we're used to the
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  Speaker 3: HBO showtime ESPNS going forward, I have no idea what
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  Speaker 3: to expect, to be honest with you, nut right.
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  Speaker 2: For me, it's just a consistency.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: If you tell me that every top rank fight for
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  Speaker 2: the next whatever next year is going to be on
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  Speaker 2: two b okay, cool, and I know then where I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna be on fight night.
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  Speaker 3: That's awesome.
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  Speaker 2: But it's this like, you know, same thing too well,
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  Speaker 2: consistency with with times of the main event. You know,
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  Speaker 2: here's the thing. At first, I was like, wait a second,
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  Speaker 2: is this time stupid because it's like overseas or something. No,
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  Speaker 2: it was in Canada, like it was in Montreal, so
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  Speaker 2: it's like it's it's not a matter of you know,
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  Speaker 2: international time zone. So I was I was bummed out
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  Speaker 2: about it because I was actually very interested in watching
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  Speaker 2: the fight. You know, we're big supporters of women's boxing here,
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  Speaker 2: but you can't, yeah, you can't expect even like really
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  Speaker 2: hardcore boxing fans to be ready at five pm on
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  Speaker 2: a Thursday for a main event that's just not yet.
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  Speaker 2: Like it's just exactly so people are in traffic getting
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  Speaker 2: home from work, get off time, they're stuck in traffic,
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  Speaker 2: and by the time they get home, it's like the
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  Speaker 2: last two rounds already, especially with the women's fight, because
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  Speaker 2: it's only ten rounds, like they're gonna miss that. So
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  Speaker 2: now eight pm Eastern time, Okay, I'll give that a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of more leeway. But this was before the
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  Speaker 2: times changed. Me in Arizona. Five pm is when that
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  Speaker 2: when that one.
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  Speaker 3: That's not gonna work. That don't work.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I know you mentioned the Canelo crop for
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  Speaker 2: fight was a little too late, because what did that
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  Speaker 2: started the East coast, was it like close to one?
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  Speaker 3: I think it'll started at one am Easter Eastern, right
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  Speaker 3: around one. That's I mean ten here. A fight starting
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  Speaker 3: at ten our time was rough for what we like
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: where you used to we've seen fight stars early as
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: eight eight pm, seven thirties eight pm, why yeah, it was.
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: It was ridiculous. But again, when you got multiple entity
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: during the show, you got multiple agendas going on, this
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: is what takes.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: Place right well, in terms of a fight being too late,
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: I think because boxing has always been a late night thing.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: You know, in my mind, I'm gonna say that as
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: long as that first spell rings no later than midnight,
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: that's the cool.
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: I'm cool with that on a Saturday.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: On a Saturday, yes, yeah, I guess that a Saturday. Yeah,
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: I mean that for me. It's also like, let's think
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: about watch your boxing staying up late as a kid
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: in the summers on weekends sometimes it was just channel
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: surf and the would be random boxing matches in the
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: middle of the night, like the replaying matches at like
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: one two that so at the end, bossing has always
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: been middle of the night thing. So yeah, as long
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: as that bell rings twelve a m. First Bell fight
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: starts in less than an hour. I'll let that slide.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: Fair enough, fair enough, fair enough.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: Moving on, Speaking of Tank Davis, actually two of his
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: former opponent's opponents will be fighting each other December sixth,
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: Lamont Roach versus Pitbull Cruise. So first things I want
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: to say about this is I'm glad Lamont Rose just
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: kind of moved on and stop kind of hanging around
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: waiting for that rematch that wasn't gonna happen. I still
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: think Tank Davis was too scared to rematch Roach, and
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: that's gonna stand by that. But this is actually exciting.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: You know, both guys went the distance with Tank Pitbull Cruise. Yes,
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: they both lost the fight, but Pitbull Cruise is excellent
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: aggressive fighter. You know, he's He's got that name for
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: a reason. And it'd be really interesting to watch these
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: two guys with those skins. And we've said before people
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: who lose to Tank seem to learn from that loss,
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: you know, Roly Romero uh lost a Tank and then
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: add an excellent upset against Ryan Garcia. So I think
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: we're gonna see these two. I'm excited about this fight.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: These two guys kind of Lamont Roach has heat on
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: his name that he really needed to use this year.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: You know, the best thing to do was running back
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: against Tank. But if that wasn't gonna happen, I think
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: it's a good matchup. And I don't know, I mean, uh,
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: do we think that Lamont Roach is going to be
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: a name to to keep an eye on? While saying,
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: while while being very you know, transparent about the fact
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: that we were both like, man, fuck this fight. Nobody
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: cares about Tank versus Roach before the thing.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: That's how it starts, right like at first, like it's
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: just another guy, and then you're like, oh, now what
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: Roach is going to see If he's gotten better, if
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: he's taking everything seriously, if he's ready to the next step,
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: or he was excited to fight Tank. He's from DC
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: thanks from Baltimore's huge rivalry, et cetera, et cetera. So
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: we're just gonna see him in there with a different fighter,
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: what the mindset is, whatever, what's going on. I'm very
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: curious to see the level of preparation and whereas mental
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: is at for the upcoming fight. Because he wins this
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: fight after the last showing, then he gets other big fights.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: If he loses this fight, it's over. He's not getting
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: another look. And that's just how it goes.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've always thought that's kind of unfair. I mean,
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: you know, you can't. I think we tend to, not
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: we necessarily, but just the boxing world just tends to
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: write dudes off after you know, a couple of losses.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: Like, but it's a cold game, man, like think of it.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: It's it's it's a commission based job, if that makes sense.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: If you do well, you get paid or a word
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: to well, if you don't, you lose, and you basically
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: get fired one way, shape or form.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: That's true. I mean, I uh, I think I think
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: we got to give our fighters a little bit more grace.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: You know, yes, you can, you can underperform, but man,
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: it's still you got to understand like how much uh
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: effort and time and and and how honestly dangerous it
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: is that they're getting in there. And I think we
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: kind of just kind of disregard folks too quickly, if
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: I'll put it that.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: Way, we do. You're right, However, the way the game go,
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, we don't hear from them again. They don't
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: get any big fights. Once you get a chance, you
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: better take advantage of it, because like everything else, everything
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: moves fast. So if you're not winning, people aren't going
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: to contract someone that's not winning. It just doesn't work
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: that way. Boxers, like we talked about Danny last last show,
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: Danny Garcia is a product example of that. He got
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: his one shot, take advantage of it, became a star boxer,
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: made a lot of money on some belts. I don't
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: think it's a Hall of Famer, but he's that hell
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: of their career. Those are when you dropped two, you
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: better strike and you better win. Now, Roach got screwed
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: because Roach probably should have won the fighters, Tam probably
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: should have won. But you got a lot of eyes
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: on you.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: People know who you are, you know what you're capable of.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: So fight We expect just to give a performance, if
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: not better.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think the biggest issue, like I said,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: the biggest handicap that he had is that when you
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: look like you should have won to fight when you
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: had a good performance, Uh, you run it back. That's
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: just how that shit goes. You run it back and
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: then you show whether that was a fluke or if
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: you had the skills. You definitely had the skills, yet
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: you just come out better the the on the other
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: side of it. I'm excited about Roach versus Pippoll Cruise,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: but I don't think that's what he should have used
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: his improved skills to do. You know, you gotta you
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: gotta show. You gotta show the people who won, you know,
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: thought that you should have won, that they were right
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: about you, but also the people that said, no, screw
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: your Roach, full of shit, you know, blah blah blah.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: You know, you gotta shut those haters up too, you
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: know what I mean. That's kind of the that's kind
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: of the the arc of of this type of fight
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: that we saw. So uh, I have a little bub
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: them that that we never got to see that rematch.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: But I'm also I'm happy for Roach that he is
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: using the heat on his name to do something else
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: and something exciting, you know. And Piples don't joke that
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: man is is. I've seen him fight several times now
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: that that's he's a challenge no matter what.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: So no, he's legit. He's definitely legit for sure. And
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: he normally is a guy that you're gonna have an
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: action fight. It's not just a guy that's gonna just
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: there to He's gonna be there to force action and
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: force you to to fight him. So that should be
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: a good match Like looking at it, it's a pretty
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: good matchup. Whoever wins that probably gets a pretty good
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: fight somewhere in twenty six, probably for a belt.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah no, that's a really good point. Pippule is not
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: a boring fighter, so uh and I definitely think Roach
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: is gonna end there expecting that. I think it's another
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: another classic mixed company fight because pit Bull is a
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Mexican guy, Roach black man.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: But it's a lower profile one though, this is not
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: sure so the emotions all right, So the mixed company,
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: it's mainly for the big fights. It's mainly for the
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: big fight. So when you think of all the Dale
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: Hoya versus Pronell and Floyd versus de la Joya and
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: Floydver's Canelo, all those those are a big fucking a
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: lot of motion of those. There's a lot marketing, it's
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: a lot going on twenty four to seven. All access,
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. Mixed company don't apply to this fight.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: It don't really apply, all right, you can, but the
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: emotions ain't there, Like boy was a scumbag. However, we
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: love that scumbag because he represented black people in the
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: ring in a weird way. That's just what it was like,
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: That's how how you want to describe it. That's what
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: it was. So but yeah, this fight is like it's
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: mixed company, but it's kind of not.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: If that makes sense, makes sense, I understand what you're saying.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: I will say also not but and also, uh, you know,
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: I live in Tucson, so if I were to you know,
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: be uh, you know where I go to see fights,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: it's the neighborhood. It's straight up a Mexican firstplot. So yeah, yeah,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: So if I was a fan of Lamont Roach and
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: wanted him to win this fight, I'm not really going
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: either way. I just want to see a great match.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: But if I was, you know, going in there rooting
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: for a little mot Roach, I would maybe want to
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: not be that excited about it, kind of like when
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: I saw Schaquarue Stevenson versus Oscar Bodez there, I was
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: all in for Shakur, but I was, you know, just
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: kind of I didn't walk up with my SA Kerstin's
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: T shirt showing it off or anything like that, so yeah,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: you know, it's still a consideration, especially in areas of
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Tucson that are not just very heavily Vexican Hispanic brown,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: but also a little little stabby, you know, a little
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: step which that neighborhood is. So yes, you're one hundred
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: percent right, it's not the same, but there's still some
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: consideration there, at least for me being in in Arizona
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: where there's shilettos Mexicans. But but yeah, that'll be December sixth.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: I'm stoked actually, And and another thing too, I kind
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: of hate not knowing things like That's kind of also
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: why I just wanted I just kind of focus on
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: fights when they're announced and they have the date, this
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: back and forth like who are you going to fight?
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Who's who's going to be next, blah blah blah, And
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: never really liked it, but I always kind of just
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: wanted to know what lamonk Roach was gonna do with
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: his catching. So this is kind of like, oh, finally,
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: thank god, we get to see the man back, and
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: not what I wanted to see, but you know, I'm
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: I'm happy for him that he came out on top
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: after this whole after this year's debacle. So hey, you know,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: good year for lamont Roche, no matter.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: What, most definitely, most definitely.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: All right, here's a big one. We got to get
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: into tucks so called serious talks of many Packy Hill
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: versus Floyd Mayweather for twenty twenty six. My response is,
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: and uh yeah, I mean this week is just kind
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: of like just share our thoughts here and how you
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: feel about it. I'll let you I'll let you go
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: first man.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: The problem with these fights is they're only relevant because
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: we don't have enough young guys fighting often. That's theory
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: that's one man comes up. We wouldn't be focused on
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: older guys if we had enough younger guys doing what
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: they're supposed to do. We don't have that, Like we
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: don't know when Kurstewhinson's like, you know, we don't know
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: his next situation, you know, like it sucks, but we
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: don't know, like hey he wins, the next fight's gonna
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: do this, this and that third They don't know any of that,
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: Like we don't know like hey, if James Boots does this,
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: this and this, he's doing that, Like it's just it's
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: not good, Like our our good fighters are not fighting
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: other good fighters. It feels like our good fighters are
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: always finding tune up guys and that's the problem, and
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: they're making a lot of money doing so, so it
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: doesn't force to really get matchups that we've been dying
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: to see. So right now it's going around the circle
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: of tune up fight for the tune up fight for
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: the tune up fights, and then when somebody wants to
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: fight somebody, Oh, well I'm not a side or I
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: need this, and it's next any of lose interest. So
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: then this bullshit comes up. It's like oh people, no,
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: oh a man, and it's like, nah, that's not we
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: didn't come from that, Like that's the how, That's not
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: how I supposed to go. It's not and here we are.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree with all that. And also what
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: really really bothers me is that Manny Paca came back
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: and what was it? A legitimate fight for a legitimate
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: belt that wasn't a showcase, wasn't a money I mean,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: sure it was a money grab for him because he
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: needed the cash, but you know what I mean, it
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: was against a legitimate fighter for a belt, you know,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: And same thing. This goes very I picked this topic
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: next because it went very well with the lavant roach thing.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: You know, I wanted to see once he demonstrated that
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: he still had it. Sure wasn't prime many, but hey,
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: who was you know, he looked good. He looked better
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: than I expected. I will also admit I was on
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: the record as saying I thought he was gonna be washed.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: I thought it was gonna be easy win for Mario Barrios.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: You know I was wrong. I'll never I'll never be
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: afraid to admit that I was wrong. Uh, but with that,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: I was excited, like, Okay, my man, what else he got?
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: What else he got in the chain? What are you
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: gonna do? And it's just kind of it's just lazy.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: You know, it's another Netflix potentially a Netflix event where
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: you know, Netflix being involved in boxing is potentially a
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: good thing, but it has to be they have to
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: be a stepping stone for more fighters as opposed to
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: just kind of go into the biggest name possible for
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: the biggest you know, they're all Jake Paul fights are
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: gonna be on Netflix now it appears, and it's kind
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: of annoying. You know, they're not really using I don't
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: know which one is is where the problem is that
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Netflix isn't using boxing as like a long term relationship
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: or boxing doesn't really think of Netflix as a lot. Somebody,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: somebody's got cold feet, somebody is a commitment folbe here.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know which one. Maybe it's both of them,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: and it's just not exciting. You know, you're you kind
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: of want the the the the comforting, like like a marriage.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: With boxing.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: You want to know that you know you got somebody there,
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: they're gonna be You're gonna be able to see them
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: on you know when you get off of work, not
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: worry about you know, somethody that they're gonna leave you
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: on Red or who they're talking to next, or who
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: they're gonna be making it. I thought you were hanging
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: out with me this weekend. Now you're hanging out with
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Bucket Twoby. All right, That's kind of how I feel that,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: And I thought a Netflix partnership would been a great,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: great option, but I'm not so sure anymore.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: So. Netflix is in it for the money, Like, let's
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: call it what it is. They're in it for the
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: cash or not in it for anything else. They're literally
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: in this for the cash. They're in it for the
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: fights that make sense financially, they're going to be there
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: for I don't see them putting together a Friday Night
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: card or Saturday Saturday palooza one day at a quarter.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: I don't see that could change absolutely, but I don't
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: they They're in it for the views. That's what they
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: make the money off of. They get the advertised Netflix
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: and all of the program that they offer throughout that
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: whole time block, so I get their process. The Jake
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: Paul thing is ruin boxing. It's really ruin boxing. For
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: traditionals like us, it's not real. It's a bunch of bs.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: Jake Paul don't care about the support kettle making money,
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: so when he fights, it brings lit attention to the
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: sport for all the wrong reasons, and that has messed
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: up all the other fights that are actually boxing matches
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: because his numbers and his stats when it comes to
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: the watchability and the views and the metrics are all intertwined.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: So that's where things are messed up at That's why
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: it's hard to find a good fight on TV these
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: days without having to pay for some random suscription you're
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: only gonna use once every six months, so it's just
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: all bad right now. With that being said, I don't
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: hate Jake Paul because he's not doing anything that he
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: shouldn't be doing. I hate people that support the bullshit
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: that Jake Paul does and people who put the money
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: behind him and behind the bullshit. That's why I don't
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: like And until that stops, we're going to keep on
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: getting it. But he makes so much money, he liked
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: by so many people. This is what it is now,
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: so we've got to get comfortable with this new reality.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is unfortunate. I mean, my thing is that
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: everybody thinks short term and short term cash at the moment.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Not just don't just tie about fighters. I'm talking about
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: you know, streaming networks, this and that. I mean, And
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: just to kind of get into Netflix's model, I mean,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: people who watch a lot of Netflix originals. I don't really,
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: but I've heard so many times over the years, oh man,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: I'm really into the show and just got canceled after
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: two seasons or after one season.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: More.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not really the they're not really the long
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: term commitment type. They want to hit it and qudit
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: after a couple of seasons.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: So he put twelve episodes on, they'll put all season
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: on US on Friday at midnight, and yeah, I mean
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: that's what they do. So if yes, people aren't watching,
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: then is what it is. So Box is in a
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: very weird spot. Man, Like we talked about all it's
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: in a weird spot. There's definitely good fights to be made,
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: great fights to be made still, but at the moment
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: it's in a weird spot. I don't have the answers
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: on what get the old spot?
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what really needs to happen and I'm not saying
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: that I have the answers of how this could possibly work,
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: is that it needs to be treated as something with
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: potential again, because you know, it needs to foster time
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: and for people to grow fan sorry for it to
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: grow fans of certain fighters, of young fighters, people who
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: will follow their person. You know, Dank Davis's pay per
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: view name Canelo was probably still is for this year
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: for the coming year, a pay per view name, and
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: we don't have a lot more. But where the hell
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: are we going to get them if they're not actually fighting,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: And a couple of names you mentioned are on the
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: way out, like Canelo's on the way. You got a
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: couple more than he's out Sam with Tag's we may
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: never fight again. You know, as great as Bud Craft is,
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: I don't know if he could do a pay per
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: view right now. Probably could, but the number wouldn't be great.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: Like so it's it's rough.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: We're in a rough spot right now. Well and but
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: also let's not okay, that's one hundred percent true. I
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: don't think I also don't think that Bud will do
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: a great pay per view. But we also talked about
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: how the pay per view model isn't the thing right now,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: that it's not like the nineties. The nineties was absolutely
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: how you know, fighters made were some of the best
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: paid in the world. That model has changed and now
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: we do need for better or worse, to focus on
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: subscription services apps, Netflix to be et cetera. Whatever. Right,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: but they need to both sides need to realize that
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: it's not just well, let's put this fight on Netflix,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: let's sew this fight on TV, like there really needs
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: to be a place to go for all of boxing
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: that isn't just his own. Let's be real. And here's
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: the thing, dude, Turkey Yella Shak, the promoter from Sadi Araba,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: has said, you know, oh, the area of pay per
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: view is over, and then isn't the next day of
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Benavita Benavitaz fight also pay per view?
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: Now?
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Sure?
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: True? True, And I think it's gonna be cased by
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: case when it comes to these things. And I shaidn't
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: use a work head for you. I want to talk
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: about Chance Crawford. It's we're out marketing wise, like as
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: great a boxer as he is, and he's definitely the
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: best boxer walking and breathing, now he needs a big
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: name besides him to have a mega fight. Him alone
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: is not a mega fight unfortunately, and there's nothing way
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: for Abram he is. He's just a boxer that say,
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: he don't do nothing else extra like he's not a rapper.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: He don't have no crime outside the boxing ring. He
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: don't have no celebrity girlfriend like he has none other
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: that so he's just a great boxer. That's fine when
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: it comes to marketability and for mega mega fights, he
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: needs an opponent that is equally as popular or if
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: not more popular than he is in order to make
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: that happen. And that's just not in the card right now.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: Some of the names I've heard and seen, you know,
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: and you know, in connection with his next fight. Nah,
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: like for four years ago, those will be on ESPN
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: Friday Night, Saturday Night Top rank card. So no, like,
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: I don't want to see him find a Charlo twin.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: I don't like, No one wants to see that. There's
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: no need for that.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: So well, let's let's let's speculate a bit now that
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: you mentioned that, because yes, they're mentioning a potential Charlow
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: fight against Bud Okay. So now that now that we
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: know the top rank is in, is just kind of
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: like playing the field with two Pluto TV, et cetera.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: And you know he's got a big paper you name.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: His mega fight against Canelo was on Netflix. Let's say
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Bud fights Charlow next. Where the hell is that going
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: to air? Who's like, which network, which streaming service? Which? Like,
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: are we gonna see Bud Crafford on two v TV?
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: You know, of course I'll tune in to watch.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: It would surprise me. A buz phone, a random app
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: or ram stream that maximize bad for him. It wouldn't
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: surprise me. And he's gone. He's done enough in boxing
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: to do that. He's done enough in boxing to where
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: you know, what. I understand what you're doing. I understand
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: the play here, get your money. I'm not saying I
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: want to see it, but I understand if you were
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: to go that route. But for him, we don't really
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: care about those things. So I probably guess like an
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: Amazon or a Netflix slide, I guess I guess that
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: was that to probably be the most likely because they're
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: still uh yep, they're still involved in appears.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, he could just kind of go
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: to left field and go to YouTube a free fight
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: on YouTube like there. You know, of course it's not
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: gonna be free for him, and YouTube does have tea pockets. Yep,
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: they're increasing not deep enough to keep ESPN because they
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: just dropped it from YouTube TV, and I think they
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: just always so it's it's a mess, man. It's uh,
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: it's it's it's wild just seeing where it's again, it's
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: the not knowing, it's the speculation. And you could we
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: could talk about, okay, just a year ago, two years ago,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: you could say, right, this fighter whoever he is, you know,
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: he's kind of a middle mid range name, not super big,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: kind of popular this and that, but you know they're
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: with top rank, they're gonna be on ESPN Fighter Saturday night.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Bo that's uh. And you know, so maybe some bigger
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: folks that go to the PBC, they go to Amazon,
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: et cetera. But you always knew that old faithful was
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: there ESPN Saturday nights. And it's it is so weird
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: just talking about the sport with without that there, without
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: that ongoing of like every not maybe not every Saturday,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: but you know, you know what I mean, most Saturdays
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: you'd be able to tune in and they're just be
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: a fight and I don't care. I just like watching fights,
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: even if I don't know the names and the people
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: in the match. When you're at home, it got nothing
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: to do. You're bored, you don't want to go out,
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: you're too broke, you're hungover. Boom, let's watch in boxing.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: And that's god. That's fucking god. And it's so weird.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: It's unfortunate too. I think Big Party is unfortunate. We
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: don't have.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: Say this, but back in the day, we'd have up
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: and comers that you watched because you saw them on
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: every undercard, and they become they became up and comers
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: to guys that you co feature on fights and then
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: became feature fighters. We don't have that no more. Man Like,
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: there's no either you're a name wh or not. Like,
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: there's no up and coming or minteria. Either your upcoming
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: name or there's another guy that fights. Somebody would a name.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: And I think that's also hard things because we're not
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: developing fighters anymore. We're developing brands, we're developing names. So
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: if you're not able to do that, then you kind
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: of washed to the side and fight for peanuts and
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: hope to get your chance.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: And I imagine too, it's another thing for a fighter,
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: a young fighter that's getting their name out there. You
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: know they're pro, but they have a couple of fights
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: under their under their belt. Literally, uh, you know, they're
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: they want to sign with somebody or you know, get
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: involved with some promotional company. They're gonna want to be
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: somebody that gets a lot of eyeballs on them. Absolutely,
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know anything about that. I don't know anything
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: about that life or you know what you're looking for.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: But if I'm a young guy and I got some
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: heat on skills and heat on social media, for example,
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: and they tell me like, well, you can sign here
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: to fight on two b I don't think there's a
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: problem with that. But you know, for for for a
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: kid that grew up watching you know, uh Tyson or
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: you know, or a Canello and the big Papy fights,
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: watching Floyd and watching money Mayweather, you know, just to
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: lay those stacks of cash out. You're like, well, okay,
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: that's cool, Like that's what I aspire to because I
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: want of course, you want to be a star. You know,
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: nobody wants to be boxer. Used to be a bot,
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: you aspired to that and now you got you know, yeah,
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: no disrespect it to me, but it is also very,
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: very different from even even the cachet of an ESPN
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: say what you will about them, like that is the
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: biggest name in sports, you know what I mean, And
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: now there's every other sport is on there except yours.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: As a young guy, I can't imagine. That's got to suck.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: That's rerual.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Anyway, staying on the topic of the Mayweather Pakia fight,
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: I want to get your take on, you know, just
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: where socially speaking, racially speaking, we think we stand today.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: You know, we've talked, You've mentioned before, you have said
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: before about how there was a big divide between their fans.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: You know you either Mayweather Pacquiao guy. You also said,
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: which you know we we may very clear because this
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: is the show we're on. A lot of people gravitated
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: toward many Pacio because of racism. They did not want
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: to support a black fighter, a a boisterous black fighter,
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: a man who ran his mouth, and a lot of
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: people do not like that. And so I just want
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: to get your take on, as someone who again never
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: really paid attention to what happened outside the ring, what
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: was the the people that really shied away from Floyd?
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, what was it about him specifically other than
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: just being a black guy.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: He was loud, he was obnoxious, and he was rich,
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: and he constantly reminded you how rich he was. He
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: constantly reminded you that I got more money than you,
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: and I'm making this shit look easy and I'm getting
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: paid more money than you ever could get in your life.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: That's what it was, and it was constant, it was
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: every day. And the biggest thing is people more people
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: tune in to see him lose and win, and that's
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: always an odd thing, but he mastered that and he
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: became his aora in a sense, is people want to
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: tune in and see if he's going to lose. And
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: when you get that, you mastered the marketing. And he's
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: a great marketer. But it was basically a lot of
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: people didn't like how arrogant he was and the constant
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: flashing of money, cars, jewelry, et cetera. They turn off
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: a big section of this country with that, right.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Uh, what not to say that these two are in
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: any way the same by any means. But my issue
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: with Jake Paul is that a lot of people also
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: ted in to watch him lose, that they're hoping that
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: he loses. But with him, it's not a matter of
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: he's just so skilled that he's gonna win every time.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: It's just, you know, he he picks fake fights, he
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: picks you know tomato.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not the same man, It's not the same.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: And like, why no one takes him seriously? Why I'm
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: gonna be honest, Like, I don't take him seriously. He's
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: he's just a guy. Like I mean, he's making a
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: lot of money, so God bless him, But no one
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: cares at the end of the day. No, like, no
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: one boxing wise cares. He's not gonna find a real
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: boxer like I don't know what would happened to when
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: him and Tang. I don't know if I was if
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: thing's gonna literally hit him, hit him, but we don't care,
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: like that wasn't No.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's just that's just an aside. But yeah,
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: I mean interesting, I means as Floyd Mayweather is kind
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: of estem changing people's mind because he's also here's the thing,
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: what has he actually been doing. He hasn't been involved
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: in anything that I've seen in other brands, Like he's
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: been just quiet. He's just been enjoying his fat stacks
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: of cash. I guess.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been a lot of business deals and whatnot,
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: so he's taking care of that. But yeah, there's nothing.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: But there's no like I've never seen like, oh he's
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: got his energy drink. He knows what people usually do,
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: got an energy drink. He's got you know whatever, advertising
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: for vetting companies, you know, advertising for any of that stuff.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: He didn't seem to be doing any of that.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: Best. He's doing a lot of business stuff. I know that.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: I know he's involved a lot of business, does a
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: lot of real estate. But other than that, boxing is
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: not really involved like that, notespecially on day to day.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so what how do we feel about is there
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: going to be another racial divide for Paki, the.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: Racial violes when people care. People don't care about this fight.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: So it's whatever. Now, ten years ago they fought absolutely
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: well between eight in that fight. There's a big divide
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: because you're either one side or the other. You couldn't
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: be neutral. So it was huge back in the day.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: Now they're both washed up, no one cares well.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: And you know, I think about it too. It's something
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: that we we are missing as well. These days. It's
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: very few fighters have that big of a fan base
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: where if you're either this person or that person. Not really.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, yes, there's the big fights where you know,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Canelo versus, but it's like, you know, Black versus Mexican,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But something like, I
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: don't know, it would be the equivalent of I don't
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Chaves versus Deloya, right, Like you were either you were
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: if you're a Chilvis, you were not a Delaya.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: Fan, right.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: And you know I've alluded before my show. My mother
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: to this day says terrible things about delay, my old mother,
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: who I was like, Mom, you can't say that ship,
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: but yeah, we don't do we do we really have
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: anybody like that today? Two fighters are just kind of
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: not just about passion because you're a fan of a fighter,
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: but like you're a fan of the fighter and you're
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: k and you hate the fans of the other fighter,
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Like, we lost that too.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: We definitely lost that. It's not the same anymore. But
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: also it's not marketing the same. These guys are making
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: money and ducking off. They're now social media like that.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: It's just not the same. It's a different, different generation.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like this episode has been I'm not
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: gonna say a bummer, but it's definitely been a lot
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: of you know, kind of the darker side of the
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: boxing world. The absolute like but hey, you know what,
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: that's important too, you know, And this is I still
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: love it. This is the greatest boor in the world.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: I can watch a fight and just be super excited,
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: even if I don't know the fighters. I can be
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: just obsessed with watching the way they move, the skills
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: they have, you know, super inspired and all that. But
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of things about bucksting this trash and
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: we gotta we gotta take the good end together, you know.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: And I'm not just gonna sit here and just you know,
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: talking about how everything is honey Dory, and hey, you know,
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: we're we've always strived to be a very real show
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: about real issues in the sport. So well, moving on
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: to something that we can absolutely talk about the heydays
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: of the show, We're going to move into our segment
• 45:17
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• 45:19
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• 45:24
  Speaker 2: which is what we're talking about today. And as always,
• 45:26
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• 46:25
  Speaker 2: So today we are talking about a movie called Facing Ali.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: It is a documentary from two thousand and nine, directed
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: by Peter McCormick. And yeah, this one was really cool
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: because you know, I've seen several Elee documentaries. There's I
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: mean a million of them out there. This one I
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: liked was specifically because it was his opponents speaking about
• 46:45
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• 46:58
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  Speaker 2: you think about this documentary?
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: Very polarizing figure, and people liked that word around a lot,
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: but Ali was very polarizing. Whenever you whenever you're able
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: to get former opponents to get on record to speak
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: about their experience, is good, bad, and ugly with someone,
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: it's very impressive. And also he came to this everybody.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: It's not for everyone. This is for only the greats.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: So this was different. This was actually really good film.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: I guess you could say it's kind of a documentary
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: but film so to speak. No, it's definitely definitely dope.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: But also they each have different situations with him, because
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: Joe Fraser and Larry Holmes have two totally different stories, right,
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: like totally different eras and everything. So it's all really
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: really fascinating. With that being said, though we have never
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: seen someone like Muhammad Ali terms of an actual boxer,
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: we haven't seen that since then. What I mean is
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: not it's I can carry a fight, but that can
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: make the public interested in boxing to where they only
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: tune in to watch it we haven't found that guy,
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: like we've missed him since his prime or is later prime.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: We have not had a guy captivate maybe Tyson, maybe,
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: but it is in general, a guy is very It
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: gives timing is the eras are different, so they boxing
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: in the seventies eighties was waiter than this today. But
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: let me believe it's like a he was a megastar
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: and he could have been in any era and he
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: would have got casual fans in any era, and we're
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: lacking that now. As a better way of saying it.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really really well said. I mean, the thing
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: I really liked about this most is because we talk
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: everybody talks about Alee and they always say greatest of
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: all time. It's kind of it's cliche at this point.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: You know, you could ask anybody name name a fighter
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: that's ever lived in history, and most people who don't
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: know anything about sports at all will probably know who
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: Muhammad Ali is.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: But I really like that the people on the other end,
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: the other end of those punches are literally talked about
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: why he is so skilled and what they saw in
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: what they fell and you know, them getting rocked, them
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: not even being able to lay a hand on him,
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: you know, his heavyweight six one, I believe, I don't remember,
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: but one of the fighters that he moved like he's,
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: you know, a little guy. And that's something that we
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: talked about Tyson. You know, he was under six feet tall,
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: which is strange for a heavyweight, big beefy guy, but
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: he moved light on his feet like he's just you know,
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: a middleweight dude. And so having that for somebody that
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: at that weight class is just amazing, and it's so
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: cool to hear the actual people that were there talk
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: about they just just remembering. I mean, my god, just
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: remembering like the way were they able to try to
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: get through his jam so they kind of got through
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: his defense and this and that, and the way that
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: they these guys are like, I know I heard him.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: He played it off for you, but I know I
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: heard him, like I I was there, Like I actually
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: led to that punch. I know he was hurting during
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: This match was so interesting because you know, you could
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: just say you can watch it on a leaf and
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: it was like he didn't get touched, he didn't get rocked.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah he got hit, but it didn't phase him at all.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: But this is from either announcers, you know, audiences, but
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: hearing from the people that were there is really, really,
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: really cool. So I definitely appreciate that about this movie.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: Definitely something This is something that you could just do
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: for so many fighters, Like you just do the same
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: format for Chavis, for Mayweather. Like I'm kind of surprised
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: that it hasn't been done.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: Already like that.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: People didn't rip off people Kormicks, I guess format rip
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: off his whole flow.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: Well, so back in the day, we didn't have all access,
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: we didn't have podcasts, we didn't have those things. So
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: the insensitive is something like this backland is way different.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: Now you get on the podcast and share. You know,
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: you can get eight different guys that Floyda's fought and
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: get different perspectives and whatnot. You can get eight guys
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: Sarre Crawford fought and get their perspectives on that. Back
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: this time in the two thousands, con tricky, right, we
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: didn't have podcasts like that. There was you know, the
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: docs and movies were different. So I can understand why
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: that this was done, but not for a lot of
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: others because others it's more of a YouTube short film,
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: short story thing rather than actual movie itself.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: That's fair, and that's definitely something that technology has made
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: a lot easier. But there is something about you know, yeah,
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: there's documentaries are still being made, even though you can
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: still tell stories on podcasts. So I think that something
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: like this for fun, maybe not maybe not in Mayweather,
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: maybe not a butt, but you go back, let's say
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: like early Tyson, you know, get his opponents up there
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: who are still around. I think I think it would
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: actually be very interesting. More so, how about this, I'd
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: be more interested in that documentary that's in this format
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: than another biopic, you know, with somebody playing.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: Oh yea.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: Yeaeah. Like the bioplays all take a certain they're all
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: a certain cliche format anyway, So something like this I
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: definitely think would would would hit. I think it would
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: do great, agreed. Another thing I liked is that each
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: fighter also got to tell a little bit of their
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: own story, so it's not just about the match, but also,
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: you know, George Chavalo all of a sudden just talking about,
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: you know, how he lost some kids, kids passed away
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: to drugs. His wife passed away as well. She committed
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: suicide after one of their kids died and it's really intense,
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: you know he is. He went from just kind of
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: being very upbeat talking about how he heard Ali and
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: Ali was definitely bleeding for the kidneys, and he went
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: out dancing with his lady that night that he was all,
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: you know, super super excited about it. And then you know,
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: he got super serious and went into the story. And
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: every fighter gets to their little their chance to tell
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: a little bit something about themselves. And it was super
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: cool because a lot of these names I've some of
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: them we know, like George Foreman, of course, but some
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: of these names I've heard but don't know enough outside
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: of them being Alia Putts, you know. Right, ron Lyle
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: is a guy who straight up said like, yeah, I
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: lost to Tali, but hey, if I hadn't, you wouldn't
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: be sitting here talking to ron Lyle like about what,
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: which is really funny. And I mean he's right. You know,
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: we know a lot of people know Joe Fraser, like
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: I said, don't George for him, but I didn't know
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: ron Lyle or much about Ernie Shavers either, So yeah,
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: it was. It was really interesting and really enlightening about
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: the sport itself, not just about the man Ali. They
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: do go through a lot of history as well, and
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: a lot of stuff that we as fight fans who've
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: seen other movies already know about him refusing to go
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: to Vietnam, about you know, being suspended from boxing, going
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: to jail, et cetera, or whatever. So they do go
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: through that history. So it is good for beginners. But
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: at the end of the day, I think I liked
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: more than it showed at least style changing over the years.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: And like you said, yeah, very different from when he
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: fought Joe Fraser to when.
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: He fought what is it, Larry Holmes, Larry Holmes.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Yeah, I'm looking at the names and I'm
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: getting all mixed up. But yeah, when he fought Larry Holmes,
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: you know, he was on his way up.
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: Hmm.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: You can also see just the difference in how he
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: spoke his cadence. You know, he was very fast on
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: his feet, uh and then close to that fight he
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: was just kind of slowed down in his in his
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: sweet pens and is a real bumber to watch. So yeah,
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: another thing I want you mentioned about this, Uh So
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: this was this is a tough I'm gonna tread carefully here.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: A lot of these all these fighters are old guys, okay, yeah,
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: and a lot of them needed subtitles because it was
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: very hard to understand. And I think it really shows
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: like is this because of what boxing did to them
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: in their youth and how they're just very I guess
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: we're very bumbly. We're just kind of difficult to understand.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it takes a toll on you.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: What did you think about that part?
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: It's rough, man, because we know what it is like.
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: We're not stupid. We know that sport is unforgiving, that
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: sport is not a sport where you last long. You know,
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: it's not. So we understand the challenge their brains or
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: both adults. We know how this works. Unfortunately, the game
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: was the game. Unfortunately they worked in a profession, they
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: had a lot of risk, so unfortunately this is what happens.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, so these guys are when this was made,
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: I guess in the sixties. And here's the thing. Yeah,
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: they sound very very different than sixty. Isn't that old,
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: you know, especially these days. So but these guys, you know,
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: their speech patterns, their cadence, the way that's to be.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: It was a little hard to watch to be honest,
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: even as a fan of boxing, I was like the
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: way somebody comes down on the other side. It was
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: just kind of it was it's kind of hit like
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: a ton of breaks, watching one guy after another just
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: kind of have difficulties speaking clearly, and it was a
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: little bit of stuff, to be quite honest with you.
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: The medical back then was not like what it is today.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely so. But it was a sobering reminder of
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: you know, we watch the sport and we can critique it.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: We say it's we have a lot of fun watching,
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: or you know, talk a lot of shit about fighters
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: this and that, but you're right, it is unforgiving and
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: we always have to remember that the human element of
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: people getting into that ring, they're getting sucked up like
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: they are not this is you don't play boxing and
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: you don't you know, just go in there. You don't
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: go in there unprepared, and you don't go in there
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: without knowing the risks you can. And my hat's off
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: to all these guys.
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: Just final thoughts on this, Jamison and overall the on
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: the documentary what you.
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: Said, we need more of these for other guys, even
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: if it's a short film. I think just the overall
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: boxing knowledge is cool. I think Floyd Crawford, Canelo, de
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: La Hoya Dela Hoya fall like eighty five people, so
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: it'd be cool to have that, But just in general,
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: I think it would be more good than harm if
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: we have more of these ties because it really gives
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: you a detailed emphasis on the matchups and also each fighter.
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Peter mcormick, I don't know what you're up to
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: these days. But although I did see I had not
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: heard this guy. But he also made a Bruce Lee
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: documentary I'm definitely gonna check out, and Less Less Your Parent.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: He did a Joe Frasher documentary, So okay, yeah, yeah,
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: so we're I'm calling now We're going to see Peter
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: McCormick's moving back on this show very soon on this second.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: So yeah, definitely really cool, really interesting. And another thing too,
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: is for fighters, I guess even the nineties, because we're
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: we're washing getting up there. If a movie like this
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: is going to be made, it has to be soon
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: for a lot of these guys for the same reasons
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: we just mentioned, not just age, but they're they're limited
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: faculties after boxing for so long, you know, Oscar Deloya
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: fought a lot, and he still seems to be on
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: his game. You know, tesn't slowed down a bit, But
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know that's that's surprising, to be honesty, that
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: Oscar still is.
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: Austria to take a lot of punishment though, if you
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: think about.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: It, that's true, that's true. That's a good point.
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: He didn't take any like while he got beat in
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: a few fights, but it wasn't like, oh I'm worried
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: about his health. He just got out classed at times,
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: especially at the end, but I don't remember him taking
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: any like really bad punishment per se.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: That's a good point. That's I guess, kind of the
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: same thing with with Chavez. I mean, yeah, he's he
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: wasn't exactly he got beat several times, but yeah, there
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: was never him getting you know, knocked down over and
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: over and over, hit in the canvas, you know, get
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: rocked over and over.
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: So yeah, that.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: Would make sense, but uh yeah, no, I don't know
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: if if if it can be, even if it could
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: be like like I said, a podcast series of fighters
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: who have fought who are lesser known, who have fought
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: the big names over the years, whatever it is, I
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: absolutely loved this format, and I think it's super cool
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: and interesting and it's I think it's very enlightening for
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: non boxing fans as well. You know, nobody's really talking
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: technically about the way they're moving, Like I don't know,
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: it's just like, oh I threw I threw a three,
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: and then I threw like a six and then I
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: got caught with this because I moved you know, uh
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: this on this side of the ring ball blah. They're
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: just being very clear about like what they were trying
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: to do, how they're trying to land punch just to
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: the body, to the head, get on the inside. Nothing
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: too technical. But a newbie can't you know, I can't
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: pick up on Yeah, So on this show. We always
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: rate movies out of four gloves. It's a weird rating
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: documentaries because they're not like, you know, narratives. But Jamison
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: out of four gloves, how would you rate Facing All
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: Leave from two thousand and nine? Ah?
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: Three point three three? Okay? They looked really good, like
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: it was really really good.
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: What keeps you for reading it higher?
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: What keeps it from being a full four?
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: It was kind of simple, like the the there wasn't
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: anything that like I learned through it, per se, and
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: it wasn't something where the way it was done I get,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: I appreciate the concept of it, but it wasn't anything
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: that was like groundbreaking or anything like that. Like they
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: got people that we knew of, they asked them to
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: interview them, and that was kind of it. There was
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: nothing really outside of that that was like mind blowing
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: my opinion, per se. But I think it was shot well.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: I think it was done well professionally. I see anything
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: that was like, oh wow, they should get a four
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: or three point seventy five, sure fair?
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: I mean yeah, And I what I liked about it
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: wasn't that it was very enlightening that I got a
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: lot of new knowledge about it. For me, it was
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: just that new perspective on on on Ali and you know,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: from these fighters who were actually there and just kind
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: of seeing how just what they look like now and
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: what they sound like was was just really interesting. So
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: I'll go three point.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: Five on it.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: Still very solid, Still good time and h yeah, definitely uh,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: definitely worth your time if you're interested in boxing learning
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: about it. Okay, So Jamison, where can people find you
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: on social media?
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: On Twitter? At the Jamison usually on there. Hopefully it's
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: some great fight nights. I know, we got some guys
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: coming up, and if not for this year, we got
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: some guys come up early next year. Hopefully. We still
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: do't have a Tia femo and UHM is supposed to
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: fight there you go. We still don't have that lined
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: up and it's odd to me, so whatever, sooner or
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: later hopefully.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they said it'd be for January, and there's some
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: there's always something coming up they're still working on. I mean,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: I just do the damn fight. Give us something to
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: look forward to in the new year, you know, just
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: to give us some some slight amount of joy to
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: look forward to in this damn this life of ours.
• 1:01:55
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