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Sharri | 2 September · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News US is.
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Speaker 2: Sharry Good Evening, and Andrew. Sorry to hear you've been
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Speaker 2: dealing with these health issues. You'd never know it from
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Speaker 2: your strength and courage on air. We're all sending you
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Speaker 2: our very best wishes and we hope you have a
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Speaker 2: speedy recovery. We'll miss you here at sky News and
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Speaker 2: I'm sure you'll be back before you know it, Okay.
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Speaker 2: Coming up on the show tonight, a major expose into
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Speaker 2: the organizers behind Greta Thunberg's Gaza Flotilla. It turns out
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Speaker 2: their supporters of the terror group Hezvela and attended the
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Speaker 2: funeral of its slain leader Hassan Nasralla. Our exclusive story
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Speaker 2: in a moment. Also on the show, just how dangerous
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Speaker 2: is the Min's Government's removal of shark nets at three Beaches?
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Speaker 2: An expert will join me to discuss and the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister's glass draw over questions about farmers chasing him out
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Speaker 2: of Ballarat. Angus Taylor will give his reaction in a moment.
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Speaker 2: And It's a big show tonight with Cameron Milner, Steve Price,
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Speaker 2: Holly Hughes, James Willis and Elon Levy. But first tonight
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Speaker 2: I can exclusively reveal several of the organizers behind Grettethnberg's
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Speaker 2: Gas of Flotilla are supporters of the terror group Hezbela
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Speaker 2: and its slain leader Hassan Nasralla. This is the dark
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Speaker 2: underside of the Gaza convoy that's capturing media attention globally.
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Speaker 2: Thiago a Villa is the coordinator of the Freedom Flotilla
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Speaker 2: Brazil and a member of the steering committee.
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Speaker 3: Hello everyone, I'm Ciaguabla, Steering Committee member of the Freedom
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Speaker 3: Flotilla Coalition.
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Speaker 2: In his profile on the Freedom Flotilla website, he even
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Speaker 2: boasts that he's been an activist for the Palestinian Calls
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Speaker 2: for nineteen years and he's been in prison in the region.
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Speaker 2: After Israel killed Hesbel Alida Hassanzrala, Thiago attended his funeral
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Speaker 2: and celebrated the terrorist leader.
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Speaker 3: I think about theberation of the entire world. When you
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Speaker 3: study the history of revolutions and anti colonial struggle and
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Speaker 3: anti imperially struggle, we see some figures, some people that
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Speaker 3: they come out, that they shine and Setasanzraela was one
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Speaker 3: of these people.
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Speaker 2: Nozraela was Hesbela's leader for thirty two years. He was
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Speaker 2: responsible for the murder of thousands, literally thousands. The attacks
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Speaker 2: under his leadership included the murder of fifty eight French peacekeepers,
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Speaker 2: the bombing of the US embassy in Beirut, killing forty
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Speaker 2: nine embassy staff, bombing the US and French marine barracks
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Speaker 2: killing two hundred and ninety nine people, the hijacking of plane,
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Speaker 2: the murder of Saudi diplomats, and many many more terror attacks.
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Speaker 2: Yet this is a man. The organizer of Greta's Gaza Flotilla,
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Speaker 2: Admires Thiago, spoke publicly about how honored he was to
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Speaker 2: be at Azuela's funeral.
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Speaker 3: So, I'm actually very honored to be here. I hope
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Speaker 3: I can convey the message as best as I can.
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Speaker 2: And Thiago posted video footage on his social media from
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Speaker 2: the funeral as well, and then here he is on
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Speaker 2: the Gaza flotilla.
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Speaker 4: It's one of the most beautiful days of my life
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Speaker 4: because we've been struggling so hard to take this boat
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Speaker 4: to the sea, to break the sea, to create a
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Speaker 4: human corner, and our boats have been bombs, have been kidnapped,
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Speaker 4: I've been attacked. Now on away gather, you're on a ue.
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Speaker 2: So that claim there that he'd been kidnapped. Well, remember
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Speaker 2: when Israeli soldiers boarded their last flotilla and gave them
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Speaker 2: sandwiches to eat and water. Yes, that was when they
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Speaker 2: claimed they were taken hostage, a word they used, as
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Speaker 2: you can see on the screen hostage. Well, someone needs
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Speaker 2: to tell Thiago and Greta that this is what real
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Speaker 2: hostages look like. Just a warning. The footage is distressing.
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Speaker 2: Like evi Atar, David and rom Braslovski, the hostages who've
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Speaker 2: genuinely been kidnapped by Hamas and are being denied food
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Speaker 2: and water. They are on the verge of death, having
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Speaker 2: to dig their own graves. For Thiago to claim he's
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Speaker 2: been kidnapped is an utter insult. Now it's not just him,
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Speaker 2: there's another flotilla party, an Irish comedian Tag Hickey. You
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Speaker 2: can see him sitting to the right of Game of
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Speaker 2: Thrones actor Liam Cunningham at the press conference yesterday, and
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Speaker 2: he was excited to be there.
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Speaker 5: Welcome the beautiful Barcelona or about to set into Gaza.
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Speaker 6: Well.
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Speaker 2: Hickey also attended the funeral of the terrorist Hassan is
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Speaker 2: Israela and he was proud to speak about it online,
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Speaker 2: calling him an iconic and revolutionary leader who stood up
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Speaker 2: to the Zionist enemy.
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Speaker 7: One thing I'm learning about Hassan Nasraela. I just knew
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Speaker 7: him from his speeches as a revolutionary leader, as somebody
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Speaker 7: who stood up to the might of the Zionist and
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Speaker 7: US empire and beat them.
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Speaker 2: And he even said that Western leaders could learn a
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Speaker 2: thing or two from Nozralla.
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Speaker 7: A lot of the things I'm learning about him, I
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Speaker 7: kind of think to myself, it would be amazing if
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Speaker 7: some Western leaders behaved in this way.
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Speaker 2: Seriously, the stupidity, and then after the funeral, Hickey waxed
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Speaker 2: lyrical about what an incredible experience it was and just
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Speaker 2: how sad the occasion was.
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Speaker 7: To say that I feel privileged and blessed to have
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Speaker 7: been part of that experience is genuinely the understatement of
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Speaker 7: my life. I suppose let's just begin with the obvious stuff,
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Speaker 7: the reports that we heard in the West, that there
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Speaker 7: was going to be no one at this funeral, that
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Speaker 7: the resistance in Lebanon was effectively finished, Hesbela have no
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Speaker 7: longer got any popular support. We can all get a
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Speaker 7: good night's sleep. That may have been a little bit premature, guys, But.
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Speaker 2: What an embarrassment, and Hickey also moned the death of
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Speaker 2: Nazarella's bodyguard, writing on social media, the genocidal scum who
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Speaker 2: killed you are dead inside. Anyway, your humanity and integrity
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Speaker 2: lives on. And it was of course referring to Israel.
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Speaker 2: There the two key figures on the Freedom flotilla lauding
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Speaker 2: a murderous, brutal terrorist. And it comes as Gretathnburg refused
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Speaker 2: to call out her muss as terrorists in a media interview.
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Speaker 2: We know your views on what's happening and Israel's actions.
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Speaker 2: Can I just ask you your thoughts on Hamas they're
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Speaker 2: still holding hostages. What would your message to Hammas be?
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Speaker 8: Again, there is a genocide going on. Palestinas have been
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Speaker 8: living under suffocating oppression and when there's an occupational force,
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Speaker 8: this is not my views. By international law, people have
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Speaker 8: a right to resist that occupation, a.
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Speaker 2: Right to resist. That was her answer to a question
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Speaker 2: about her mus were just a reminder to Greta her
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Speaker 2: musk killed children and even tiny babies in their cots
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Speaker 2: on October sevent is that resistance and the following image
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Speaker 2: is still distressing, even though it's partially blurred and there
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Speaker 2: are so many more images you can see here. This
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Speaker 2: is a bloodied baby's cot. So many more images and
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Speaker 2: videos from October seven, which unfortunately are too horrific to broadcast.
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Speaker 2: I wish they weren't because people need to be reminded
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Speaker 2: that those horrors took place, that those murderers chased and
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Speaker 2: gunned down teenagers and killed parents in front of their children.
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Speaker 2: This is the genocideal bloodthirsty terrorist group that Greta refuses
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Speaker 2: to condemn, the group that started this war and refuses
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Speaker 2: to end it by continuing to hold hostages. Greta and
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Speaker 2: her group, as you know, refuse to even watch the
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Speaker 2: footage from October seven. Now they say they're trying to
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Speaker 2: deliver aid to Palestinians, but this is exactly what Israel
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Speaker 2: is doing. As Nate Buzz showed us last.
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Speaker 3: How many meals have been distributed as of today, So
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Speaker 3: I'm not sure of the exact number, but I think
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Speaker 3: we're going to hit one hundred and forty million meals
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Speaker 3: delivered in three months today.
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Speaker 2: The entire Freedom Flotilla mission is fraudulent. This isn't about
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Speaker 2: human rights in truth, They're driven by an irrational hatred
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Speaker 2: for Israel. They glorify terrorism as martyrdom, they praise terror
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Speaker 2: leaders as iconic revolutionary figures, and they extol a murderous
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Speaker 2: movement as resistance. This is a dangerous, disingenuous, misguided mission
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Speaker 2: masquerading as a humanitarian operation when in fact it excuses
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Speaker 2: violence in the name of destroying Israel and Zionists. The
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Speaker 2: Freedom Flotilla should be caught out for what it is,
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Speaker 2: a group of self obsessed, moronic and racist Israel haters.
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Speaker 2: And in breaking news this evening, and by the way,
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Speaker 2: I'm going to come back to that topic with Holly
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Speaker 2: Hughes and Steve Price in just a minute, but I
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Speaker 2: just want to bring you this breaking news. Neo Nazi
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Speaker 2: Thomas Saul has been arrested. This is reportedly over an
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Speaker 2: alleged attack on the indigenous burial site came Sovereignty on
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Speaker 2: Sunday evening. Here was the moment he was arrested this afternoon.
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Speaker 5: I'm under arrest, but this is what happens in the
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Speaker 5: tyranny of Victoria.
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Speaker 2: Now, it wasn't related to the shocking moment that he
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Speaker 2: disrupted a press conference earlier today.
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Speaker 5: Hey Jamin Allen, why don't you think Australia should the
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Speaker 5: right to protest.
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Speaker 2: Now, I wouldn't have spoken about him tonight if it
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Speaker 2: wasn't going to be for the breaking news of his arrest.
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Speaker 2: And there is only one thing I have to say
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Speaker 2: about this neo Nazi, and I think that just about
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Speaker 2: covers it. Well, let's bring in tonight's panel, Sky News
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Speaker 2: host Steve Price and farmer Liberal Senator Holly Hughes. Welcome
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Speaker 2: to you both. Well, let's start off with that story
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Speaker 2: I had tonight that I spend a large part of
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Speaker 2: today working on Holly. This freedom flotilla. I mean, you
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Speaker 2: look at the characters who are organizing it, and this
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Speaker 2: isn't about humanity.
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Speaker 9: I mean, there's no arguing with stupid, and I think
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Speaker 9: that is becoming increasingly apparent when you look at these people.
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Speaker 9: I mean they are literally supporting terrorists. These people kill
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Speaker 9: civilians and murder so many people, yet they celebrate them
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Speaker 9: through attending their funerals. That the behavior and the ignorance
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Speaker 9: that you see from these people is really beyond the pale.
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Speaker 9: But Greta Tholnberg, I mean, if it wasn't so serious
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Speaker 9: what she's doing, she'd almost be the gift that keeps
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Speaker 9: on giving with the volume of memes and the jokes
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Speaker 9: that can be made about this woman. But she's not
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Speaker 9: a misguided teenager anymore. She's now an adult and it's
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Speaker 9: about time she grows up up and learns how the
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Speaker 9: world works, because this is absolutely appalling and it's a stunt.
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Speaker 9: They're not delivering substantial amounts of aid and to gardens anyway.
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Speaker 9: It's nothing but a stunt. And the less coverage I
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Speaker 9: think they get, the better. I think it's almost ideal
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Speaker 9: that they left from one port and they had to
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Speaker 9: return because the weather, the weather came in on them.
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Speaker 2: I guess she forgot her original cause exactly now, Steve.
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Speaker 2: The issue is that millions of people online, you know,
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Speaker 2: look up to Grata follow her. We saw thousands seeing
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Speaker 2: this flotilla off, you know, before the bad weather hit.
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Speaker 2: And they don't understand that these figures that claim to
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Speaker 2: just want to deliver aid to Gaza are supportive of
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Speaker 2: murderous terrorists.
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Speaker 10: Well they need to be cooled out for what they
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Speaker 10: are and what they are as propaganda tools of Hamas.
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Speaker 10: I mean, Hamas has done a very good job on propaganda.
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Speaker 10: We've seen it for the entire time since to the
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Speaker 10: October seven attacks. They're the masters at it. I mean,
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Speaker 10: we've seen these photographs, moving pictures out of Gaza where
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Speaker 10: people are rattling pots and standing four deep screaming about
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Speaker 10: how they're starving, and then when the camera pans out,
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Speaker 10: it shows a completely different picture. And the wider problem
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Speaker 10: is that people like Greta Thunberg, I mean she is
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Speaker 10: being used as a tool by Hamas, But so are
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Speaker 10: so many of our young people who are indoctrinated at universities,
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Speaker 10: They're indoctrinated by the left leaning media, They're indoctrinated, particularly
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Speaker 10: by social media, and they all jump on board this
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Speaker 10: thing's thinking it's some magnificent thing to support a group
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Speaker 10: who've been, as they call it, punished by Israel forever,
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Speaker 10: and you can't turn them around. I mean, I could
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Speaker 10: take Holly and you down to any part of Melbourne
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Speaker 10: on a Sunday when these pro Palestinian marches are on,
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Speaker 10: and you'll find fifty one hundred, two hundred young people
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Speaker 10: Thunberg's age who will say exactly the same thing, and
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Speaker 10: nothing will, nothing convinces them that they're wrong.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the ignorance is utterly astonishing. Let's turn to the
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Speaker 2: migration issue today. Tony Burke confirmed that he's not going
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Speaker 2: to lower the number of permanent residency migrants, so the
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Speaker 2: current cap of one hundred and eighty five thousand is
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Speaker 2: set to remain in place. This is despite the nationwide
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Speaker 2: protests over the weekend in opposition to the current migration settings. Now,
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Speaker 2: despite this, the Prime Minister has been claiming that the
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Speaker 2: numbers are falling.
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Speaker 11: Like our our net overseas migration is falling. It feils
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Speaker 11: substantially in twenty and twenty four. Of course there were
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Speaker 11: going to be an increased number after the lockdown of
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Speaker 11: our entire continent that occurred during COVID to.
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Speaker 2: These people were getting the numbers down.
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Speaker 11: Well, we are getting the numbers down now.
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Speaker 2: It looks slightly different figures wholly the per residency migrants
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Speaker 2: versus the net overseas migration. But either way there is
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Speaker 2: no commitment by the Albanese government actually properly you know,
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Speaker 2: abandon their Big Australia or agenda.
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Speaker 1: No.
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Speaker 9: Labor is absolutely determined to see a big Australia, and
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Speaker 9: we can see these numbers are not really declining in
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Speaker 9: the way that they say they are. Yes, we have
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Speaker 9: the five hundred plus thousand after COVID, but we're still
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Speaker 9: seeing over two hundred thousand people coming into this country
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Speaker 9: fifteen hundred a day, I must say, and I'll say
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Speaker 9: this as a former senator, I've been really disappointed that
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Speaker 9: the Opposition hasn't come out and taken some ownership of
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Speaker 9: this issue. I think Australians are absolutely fed up to
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Speaker 9: the back teeth with these high levels of migration. They
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Speaker 9: cannot get a rental property, they can't get into the
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Speaker 9: housing market. They see their universities being absolutely flooded with
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Speaker 9: overseas students, and in fact the quality of the teaching
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Speaker 9: being diminished by the fact that they're catering to so
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Speaker 9: many international students. And I think Australians are ready to
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Speaker 9: see a significant decline. We know that we need to
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Speaker 9: still have migration when it comes to getting the skills
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Speaker 9: that we need into our country, but this just seems
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Speaker 9: to be, you know, open up the door, because I
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Speaker 9: don't think there's any shortage of uber drivers in Australia
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Speaker 9: at the moment, but there's nothing being done to bring
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Speaker 9: down the numbers in migration.
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Speaker 2: Well, the issue is also infrastructure, the housing crisis. But Steve,
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Speaker 2: I just want to actually pick up on something Wholly
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Speaker 2: said there about she's disappointed the Coalition hasn't taken up
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Speaker 2: this issue or any issue. But I heard Chris Kenny
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Speaker 2: interview the shadow Immigration Minister on air earlier this evening
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Speaker 2: and he said, do you support this number? Do you
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Speaker 2: oppose this number? What would your number be? And the
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Speaker 2: coalitions nowhere, how do they hope of winning an election
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Speaker 2: if they don't even have basic positions such as on
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Speaker 2: immigration or.
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Speaker 1: Energy, Well they have to do that.
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Speaker 10: I mean, they've been so pathetic on it. I mean
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Speaker 10: one hundred and eighty three thousand people, okay, So where
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Speaker 10: are those one hundred and eighty three thousand people coming from?
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Speaker 10: And what are their skills? Are we importing into the
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Speaker 10: country the people we need to fill the holes in
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Speaker 10: the job vacancies that we do need, or are we
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Speaker 10: importing a whole bunch of people I mean to ride
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Speaker 10: around on electric bikes and deliver food to people who
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Speaker 10: are too lazy to go out at night. And where
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Speaker 10: we have to have genuine questions and why is the
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Speaker 10: opposition not saying this? Why is the opposition not saying okay,
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Speaker 10: one hundred and eighty three thousand, Why don't we have
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Speaker 10: not that many for twelve months or for twenty four
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Speaker 10: months until we catch up. If you live in a
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Speaker 10: place like Melbourne in particular, and that's obviously where I live,
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Speaker 10: You've got five point four million people in this city
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Speaker 10: already it's about to go in the next five years
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Speaker 10: to seven million people. It can't cope. The roads can't cope,
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Speaker 10: the schools can't cope. There's no houses for people. Who
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Speaker 10: brings lots of people into the country where there's nowhere
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Speaker 10: for them to live, and the people who are here
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Speaker 10: have to rent at extraordinary prices. I mean, it makes
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Speaker 10: no sense. But what really annoys me, Holly and Shahi
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Speaker 10: is the moment you try and have a conversation about this,
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Speaker 10: you're labeled a racist. You're labeled as you know, silly,
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Speaker 10: old white fool who doesn't understand. I mean, we have
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Speaker 10: to be able to have an adult conversation about what's
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Speaker 10: the mixed Australian needs and how do we get to
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Speaker 10: a point where we can cope with all of these people.
18:14
Speaker 10: What's the policy on decentralization? They don't have one.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the two points of debate are one the number,
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Speaker 2: what is the right number at the moment for how
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Speaker 2: much our country can handle at the moment. And you know,
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Speaker 2: there's no argument with the fact that we do have
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Speaker 2: a housing crisis. Impossible.
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Speaker 9: We've've also got a crime wave going on in a
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Speaker 9: number of our state.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're getting to that now. So one is
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Speaker 2: the number and second is just making sure immigrants share
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Speaker 2: our Western values, which I spoke about last night. Well,
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Speaker 2: moving to the crime wave in Melbourne, I mean, there's
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Speaker 2: been now a horror spate of carjackings over the past
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Speaker 2: forty eight hours. At this vision is particularly heartbreaking. Two
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Speaker 2: masked thubs, thugs jump into a car. There's two four
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Speaker 2: year old children in the back and you can see
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Speaker 2: in the footage their distraught mother runs after them as
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Speaker 2: the vehicle takes off. I mean, can you imagine being
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Speaker 2: that mother watching thugs take off with your car with
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Speaker 2: your children inside. I mean, just would it be a
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Speaker 2: worse moment, Holly. I mean, this crime situation in Victoria.
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Speaker 9: It's out of control, but no one's saying exactly where
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Speaker 9: it is or what it's coming from.
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Speaker 2: And they know that it's these youth gangs.
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Speaker 9: They've got machete bins costing half a million dollars or
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Speaker 9: some ridiculous figure that apparently these gangs are about to
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Speaker 9: put machetes in them. I mean, Steve, you just talked
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Speaker 9: about living in Melbourne. I actually am very sorry for
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Speaker 9: you for that, and I think you know all cutos
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Speaker 9: to you hang it into Melbourne. But honestly, to be
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Speaker 9: you've got to be a lover of Victoria to still
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Speaker 9: be there after what Dan Andrews and just Inter Allen's
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Speaker 9: now continuing to do to that stay. But the crime
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Speaker 9: in Victoria is out of control, and no one wants
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Speaker 9: to talk about the links to migration, the links to
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Speaker 9: people coming to this country that aren't sharing our values,
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Speaker 9: that don't understand our culture and are bringing not grievances these.
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Speaker 2: Perpetrators of the crime.
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Speaker 9: No, but there is those youth criminal gangs that there's
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Speaker 9: been a lot of coverage off that's coming from first
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Speaker 9: generation migrants, and we know to ignore that is to
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Speaker 9: put our heads in the sound with some of this.
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Speaker 2: Issue, Steve, I mean, it's getting so bad. I've been
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Speaker 2: to I visited Melbourne a few times recently and just
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Speaker 2: normal people are worried about their safety in regular suburban hopes.
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Speaker 10: This has become Johannesburg twenty twenty five and we used
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Speaker 10: to talk about South Africa and they tell you, you know,
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Speaker 10: lock your car doors, don't stop at red lights. That's
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Speaker 10: what's come to in Melbourne. I mean, we had to
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Speaker 10: have a discussion today, your producer and I about which
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Speaker 10: card jacking will be talking about. Think about that for
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Speaker 10: a moment, both of you. Which card jacking will be
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Speaker 10: talking about yesterday in Melbourne. Was it the one where
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Speaker 10: the father locked the doors and the masked hoods were
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Speaker 10: trying to rip them open as he drove off and
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Speaker 10: tried to run them over. Or was it the one
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Speaker 10: where two four year old children in a car and
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Speaker 10: one of the blokes who pinched the vehicle got in
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Speaker 10: the back with the children and then his mate drives off.
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Speaker 10: They were dropped off by two women in another car
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Speaker 10: who police then arrested and guess what, they gave them
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Speaker 10: a court date in the future to appear. So these
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Speaker 10: two blokes take off they realized these kids are in
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Speaker 10: the car. They dropped one poor kid at a mushroom
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Speaker 10: farm and another one further down the road. The only
21:35
Speaker 10: way anyone knew where they were is because a member
21:39
Speaker 10: of the public saw what was happening. Followed the car
21:41
Speaker 10: and rang triple zero two car Jakins yesterday. We've had
21:46
Speaker 10: four days.
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Speaker 2: Thank god for that member of the public. Correct, I
21:52
Speaker 2: mean just terrified. But you imagine the trauma kids would
21:55
Speaker 2: be dealing with, and the nightmass and you.
21:59
Speaker 10: Think forty five minutes it was till the mother found
22:01
Speaker 10: out where her children were, they were gone.
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Speaker 2: Unbelieve it's not it's just not good enough. I can't
22:09
Speaker 2: believe this is the country we're living in, Holly Hugh,
22:12
Speaker 2: Steve Price. Great to see you both, and good to
22:14
Speaker 2: have you back, Steve. Thanks Shari. Now, Criticism of former
22:20
Speaker 2: Labor Premiers Bob Carr and Daniel Andrews is mounting as
22:23
Speaker 2: the pair reportedly gear up to visit Beijing at shi
22:27
Speaker 2: Jingping's invitation, alongside Vladimir Putin, Kim John Ung and the
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Speaker 2: Iranian President. Let's bring in our shadow Defense Minister, Angus Taylor,
22:38
Speaker 2: and it's good to see you. Now. Are you worried
22:40
Speaker 2: about good show, the Bricks Alliance and just how Putin
22:44
Speaker 2: is being celebrated at this gathering?
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Speaker 12: Well, this is quite extraordinary, Shari. We've got two senior
22:52
Speaker 12: labor figures who are heading to China to celebrate the
22:57
Speaker 12: biggest military build up of the Chinese Communist Party in history,
23:02
Speaker 12: and they'll be out the military parade from what I
23:04
Speaker 12: can gather, and they are, so this parade will be
23:07
Speaker 12: celebrating that military build up of the Chinese Communist Party.
23:11
Speaker 12: But they're also hanging out with authoritarian dictators from around
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Speaker 12: the world. And these people seriously do not share our values.
23:20
Speaker 12: We're seeing authoritarian regimes flexing their muscles now in ways
23:24
Speaker 12: that we haven't seen in the past. This is clearly
23:26
Speaker 12: the most dangerous time the world has faced since the
23:29
Speaker 12: Second World War, and yet we're seeing Bob Carr and
23:35
Speaker 12: Dan Andrews heading up to celebrate with these people. Now
23:38
Speaker 12: there's a real question here what does the Prime minister
23:41
Speaker 12: think about this has been solent on it, but I
23:43
Speaker 12: think he needs to be clear about whether he supports
23:46
Speaker 12: what they're doing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, as you said that anti Western alliance. You said,
23:51
Speaker 2: this is the most dangerous time since World War Two,
23:54
Speaker 2: and at this point in time, Australia's Prime minister has
23:58
Speaker 2: had what four meetings now with President she and hasn't
24:02
Speaker 2: met with the United States president. I mean this is
24:05
Speaker 2: highly concerning, isn't it. We would be relying on the
24:09
Speaker 2: United States, if God forbid, we need any help defending
24:13
Speaker 2: Australia militarily well.
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Speaker 12: I mean, he seems far more comfortable setting up and
24:19
Speaker 12: attending a meeting with the leader of the Chinese Communist
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Speaker 12: Party than the leader of the free world in the
24:24
Speaker 12: United States, and it is a concern. He needs a
24:27
Speaker 12: face to face meeting with the President of the United
24:30
Speaker 12: States to sure up our alliance with the United States
24:33
Speaker 12: and particularly Orcus, which is crucial at this time, the
24:37
Speaker 12: nuclear submarines and all the technology around that. And so look,
24:42
Speaker 12: the Prime Minister Albanezi needs to get serious about making
24:46
Speaker 12: sure that we are in the position we need to
24:49
Speaker 12: be to underwrite peace and deterrence in our region in
24:53
Speaker 12: the years to come. It is the most uncertain and
24:55
Speaker 12: dangerous time since the Second World War, and he's just
24:58
Speaker 12: not making the moves necessary to sure up the peace
25:01
Speaker 12: we all want to see into the future.
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Speaker 2: We also saw images coming out of that meeting of
25:06
Speaker 2: the United Nations Chief Antonio Gothrez meet with the Iranian
25:11
Speaker 2: president I mean, to discuss Iran's nuclear program and other things,
25:15
Speaker 2: very warm, friendly greeting. I mean, does this show as
25:19
Speaker 2: well how morally corrupt the United Nations is it's constantly
25:24
Speaker 2: criticizing Israel and it's chummy with Iran.
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Speaker 12: Well, it's a deep concern again, I mean, with these
25:30
Speaker 12: authoritarian regimes are so far from the values of our
25:34
Speaker 12: country from where we have come from, from what we
25:37
Speaker 12: believe the rule of lord, democracy, the right of our
25:42
Speaker 12: citizens to be free to speak freely and so on.
25:45
Speaker 12: I mean, these countries do not believe in these things,
25:48
Speaker 12: chari and yet they're being celebrated by the left around
25:52
Speaker 12: the world. And sadly, we've got a Prime minister who
25:56
Speaker 12: seems to not be willing to take on these regimes in.
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Speaker 1: The way that he should. Now I do, by the way, I.
26:04
Speaker 12: Acknowledge that he has made the right news in listing
26:09
Speaker 12: the IIGC as a terrorist organization, But frankly it should
26:13
Speaker 12: have happened far earlier.
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Speaker 1: It's taken way too long.
26:16
Speaker 2: No exactly, I just want to ask you about a
26:18
Speaker 2: couple of other topics. And look, you might not have
26:20
Speaker 2: seen this story tonight. My colleague Lee and Mendy's in
26:24
Speaker 2: The Australian has just broken a big story that isis
26:28
Speaker 2: brides are set to be returned home before Christmas. Now
26:32
Speaker 2: the story is really unusual because in the copy it
26:35
Speaker 2: says that Tony Burke isn't taking any responsibility for this.
26:40
Speaker 2: I mean, how can the government distance itself from a
26:44
Speaker 2: decision like this? And do you agree with the decision
26:46
Speaker 2: should the ISIS brides be returned to Australia.
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Speaker 12: Well, I've only just seen the article, Sherry, but can
26:53
Speaker 12: I say there are some serious questions see for Tony
26:56
Speaker 12: Burke for the government to answer. What have been the
26:59
Speaker 12: securitypearances here? How are we going to be confident that
27:05
Speaker 12: we won't have the security of Australians affected by these
27:08
Speaker 12: people coming back? You know, the first job of any
27:10
Speaker 12: government is to keep its citizens safe and I think
27:14
Speaker 12: it's incumbent on Tony Burke to answer those questions.
27:18
Speaker 2: Ray how they was on my show last night and
27:20
Speaker 2: he was absolutely furious at Susan Lee and the Coalition.
27:26
Speaker 2: This is the issue about the four Australian soldiers who
27:29
Speaker 2: were killed in the fatal taipe Ian chopper crash two
27:33
Speaker 2: years ago. Just have a look at this.
27:36
Speaker 10: Susan Lee and the Liberal government agree to this conspiracy.
27:40
Speaker 1: It's justice that they're all complicit, bar the Greens, One
27:45
Speaker 1: Nation and David Pocock.
27:48
Speaker 2: So I gus the Senate blocked emotion which essentially asked
27:51
Speaker 2: for documents which would have shown why the Commonwealth Director
27:54
Speaker 2: of Public Prosecutions didn't prosecute the Defense Department over that
27:58
Speaker 2: fatal helicopter crash. Why would the Coalition side with Labor
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Speaker 2: on this? Why wouldn't the Coalition vote for the release
28:05
Speaker 2: of those documents for a full inquiry into this?
28:09
Speaker 1: Well?
28:10
Speaker 12: Can I say Shari that I share Ray Hadley's deep
28:13
Speaker 12: concern that the families get a fair say here and
28:17
Speaker 12: get to ask the questions they need to be able
28:20
Speaker 12: to ask. That was a vote in the Senate. My
28:22
Speaker 12: understanding was we supported the release of the Comcare documents.
28:27
Speaker 12: There were concerns about the release of the Commonwealth Director
28:30
Speaker 12: of Public Prosecution documents because of legal precedent around that. However,
28:34
Speaker 12: I have written today to the Minister asking that families
28:37
Speaker 12: be able to meet with the Commonwealth Director of Public
28:40
Speaker 12: Prosecutions to ask questions and to understand what was in
28:43
Speaker 12: that report. I think the families have that right. It's
28:46
Speaker 12: a letter I've personally signed along with your Center Price
28:50
Speaker 12: and Phil Thompson as well as Darren Chester. We all
28:53
Speaker 12: work in the defense area, and I think the families
28:56
Speaker 12: have every right to ask questions and to get a
28:59
Speaker 12: fair here and to make sure that they get the
29:03
Speaker 12: answers to the questions they deserve.
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Speaker 2: My understanding is that they are also calling for an inquiry.
29:09
Speaker 2: Would you support that?
29:12
Speaker 1: Well?
29:12
Speaker 12: I think the first step is that they get a
29:14
Speaker 12: chance to actually ask the Commonwealth, the CDPP what their findings,
29:19
Speaker 12: what was behind their findings, and get to ask questions
29:22
Speaker 12: around the issues. I mean, I think the family deserves
29:26
Speaker 12: that they deserve the respect of the CDPP and they
29:29
Speaker 12: certainly deserve to get asked questions of it. And then
29:33
Speaker 12: if they still we're going to go down that path, well,
29:35
Speaker 12: let's see, we will stay. We've been in touch with
29:38
Speaker 12: the family. Phil Thompson in particular has been engaged with
29:42
Speaker 12: the family and will continue to work with them to
29:44
Speaker 12: make sure that they get the answers that they deserve.
29:47
Speaker 2: All right, Angus Taylor, thank you so much for your time.
29:49
Speaker 2: Appreciate it. Still to come. Trump wares that Israel is
29:54
Speaker 2: losing the public relations. Well, Elon Levy will be on
29:57
Speaker 2: the show plus an expert would join me to discuss
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Speaker 2: how dangerous the move by the new South Wales government
30:03
Speaker 2: is to take away sharknets. He's up next. Welcome back.
30:11
Speaker 2: Let's return now to the controversial move by the New
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Speaker 2: South Wales government to trial the removal of sharknets from
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Speaker 2: three beaches now. The state government has asked Waverley, Northern
30:23
Speaker 2: Beaches and Central Coast councils each to nominate a beach
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Speaker 2: where the shark nets will be removed. Now. The three
30:30
Speaker 2: beaches have not been made public yet. Now this trial
30:34
Speaker 2: has attracted criticism from some, but environmentalists claim that sharknets
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Speaker 2: are damaging sea life.
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Speaker 5: There's no point in having the nets.
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Speaker 12: We should be using alternative smart drum lines look like
30:48
Speaker 12: they do the jobs, and drones.
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Speaker 3: If you're interested in protecting the public and.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now is freelance journalist and documentary filmmaker Fred Paul,
30:57
Speaker 2: and in fact Fred is making a documentary on this
30:59
Speaker 2: very topic. Fred, good to see you again.
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Speaker 1: Thanks, Sharry.
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Speaker 2: So, how dangerous is this to remove sharknets? I mean,
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Speaker 2: particularly Waverley. This covers the eastern beaches of Sydney that
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Speaker 2: are some of the most popular beaches in the world.
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Speaker 13: Well, I think you can gauge howerous. Dangerous it is.
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Speaker 13: By the way they've made this decision so the state
31:21
Speaker 13: government has delegated responsibility of choosing which beach to nominate
31:27
Speaker 13: as the net free beach in each of these council areas.
31:31
Speaker 13: Now by doing that, they're kind of spreading around the
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Speaker 13: responsibility for the decision, and in that, in my opinion,
31:36
Speaker 13: that is their admission that they think this is actually
31:39
Speaker 13: a dangerous thing to do, because when someone does get
31:41
Speaker 13: killed at an unprotected beach, which is what happens often,
31:47
Speaker 13: they won't be able to, you know, accept responsibility for it.
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Speaker 1: I mean nets have been nets.
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Speaker 13: We're introduced in New South Wales in nineteen thirty seven.
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Speaker 13: In the three years before that, there were nine deaths
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Speaker 13: in Sydney, nine deaths in three years, three a year,
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Speaker 13: and the state government convened a committee and they come
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Speaker 13: up with this novel idea, let's put these nets in
32:08
Speaker 13: and see if they work.
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Speaker 2: They've worked.
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Speaker 13: Ever since, there have been The Sydney Morning Herald said
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Speaker 13: a couple of days ago that there's been one death
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Speaker 13: at a protected beach since then, that it's arguable that
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Speaker 13: there might have been two. A couple of years ago
32:19
Speaker 13: there was a death at a beach near Marubra, which
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Speaker 13: has a couple of nets at it. So let's say
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Speaker 13: in the almost one hundred years since then, there's been
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Speaker 13: two deaths at protected beaches, there's been dozens at unprotected beaches.
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Speaker 13: Same situation applies in Queensland. Two deaths since nineteen sixty
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Speaker 13: two at protected beaches, dozens at unprotected ones. The statistics
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Speaker 13: are absolutely clear. When there was a crisis in nineteen
32:43
Speaker 13: thirty seven, the government said, what.
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Speaker 1: Can we do to protect people?
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Speaker 13: We are going through a crisis now, shari these we
32:51
Speaker 13: are going through a massive spate of shark attacks. They
32:54
Speaker 13: are increasing as a result of the protection of Great
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Speaker 13: Whites in two thousand.
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Speaker 1: What's the response now?
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Speaker 13: The response now is how do we protect the sharks?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is a sustained campaign from environmentalists. Now,
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Speaker 2: I played last night a clip on the show of
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Speaker 2: the argument that they're killing sharks the nets. And sure
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Speaker 2: I accept that these nets would be damaging to see life.
33:19
Speaker 2: And that is sad, and that is unfortunate. And you know,
33:23
Speaker 2: I care about animals. Want anyone to think I don't,
33:26
Speaker 2: You know I do, But surely you prioritize the life
33:31
Speaker 2: of children of people overseeing Indeed, I.
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Speaker 13: Mean just a couple of years ago tragically, a fifteen
33:39
Speaker 13: year old kid was killed in South Australia and a
33:43
Speaker 13: few years prior to that, a fourteen year old kid
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Speaker 13: I think it was killed on the north coast of
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Speaker 13: New South Wales. I mean talk about one of the
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Speaker 13: issues in my documentary. I ask a lot of people,
33:56
Speaker 13: is a shark's life more important than a human's? And
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Speaker 13: you would be astonished, alarmed and disturbed by the number
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Speaker 13: of people who say.
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Speaker 2: Yes, sharks. It's doing.
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Speaker 13: Academics, no, people on the street, I've vox popped them this.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 13: And this is why politicians think they can get away
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Speaker 13: with this, because they think that there's a lot of
34:15
Speaker 13: ground swell of support for sharks at the expense of
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Speaker 13: human lives.
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Speaker 2: Are there technology because we hear the eye comment that
34:22
Speaker 2: drone technology, for example, just as good.
34:25
Speaker 13: As don't get me started on drones. When I heard
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Speaker 13: that guy talking about drones just a second ago, it
34:30
Speaker 13: infuriates me. The best time to go surfing is when
34:33
Speaker 13: the ocean is quite rough, like drones work in a
34:37
Speaker 13: placid water. And when they sell us the idea of drones,
34:42
Speaker 13: they show footage of a drone flying over a beach
34:44
Speaker 13: where there's no waves in bright sunshine and anything swimming
34:47
Speaker 13: against a sand bottom can be seen. Ideal surfing conditions
34:52
Speaker 13: are rough, there's often low light and.
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Speaker 1: We surf above rocks.
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Speaker 13: Sharks are absolutely camouflaged in those situations. There was an
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Speaker 13: there was an occasion we all know a few years
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Speaker 13: ago when Mick Fanning was attacked. That's live on television
35:08
Speaker 13: at Jbay in South Africa. There were three cameras on
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Speaker 13: him at the time. Not one of them saw the
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Speaker 13: shark coming.
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Speaker 2: And just by the way, I want to bring you
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Speaker 2: the statement from the New South Wales Agriculture Minister Tara Moriati.
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Speaker 2: The New South Wales government's priority is the safety of
35:25
Speaker 2: beach goers and at the same time is committed to
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Speaker 2: protecting the state's marine life. So that's behind the move
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Speaker 2: to remove shark nets at three beaches. All right, Fred Paul,
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Speaker 2: thank you so.
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Speaker 6: Much for be pleasure.
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Speaker 13: Thank you, Sherry, and we'll.
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Speaker 2: Have you on again to talk about your documentary when
35:43
Speaker 2: it's released in a couple of weeks.
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Speaker 13: Please thank you.
35:46
Speaker 2: All right. Coming up Donald Trump's concern that Israel is
35:49
Speaker 2: losing the pr war. Elon Levy will be on the
35:51
Speaker 2: show and major labour figures set to attend a military
35:55
Speaker 2: parade in Beijing with anti Western world leaders Cameron Milner
35:59
Speaker 2: and James Willis. Be here next. Welcome back, and let's
36:06
Speaker 2: bring in now Bill Shotton's former chief of staff and
36:09
Speaker 2: Labor State Secretary Cameron Milner and Daily Telegraph journalist James Willis.
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Speaker 2: Wonderful to see you, Bothe Hey, I'm going to start
36:16
Speaker 2: with how the Prime Minister is handling the criticism from
36:20
Speaker 2: farmers over renewables. Now in question Time today, Dan Tin
36:25
Speaker 2: was ejected from the chamber after a stoush with alban
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Speaker 2: Easy over this very issue. Have a look.
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Speaker 14: The question was why was the Prime Minister chased out
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Speaker 14: of ballad.
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Speaker 1: Actor No, you're going to leave the chamber under ninety
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Speaker 1: four A.
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Speaker 6: No Now.
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Speaker 2: I spoke to Dante and today about what exactly went
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Speaker 2: on now. He was ejected when he called out that
37:06
Speaker 2: it was like a scene from Chariots of Fire. And
37:10
Speaker 2: he said that Alberizi had called him a coward, and
37:14
Speaker 2: he said, as you heard there, no, you are the coward. Now.
37:18
Speaker 2: He also told me that Albanzi has a glass jaw.
37:21
Speaker 2: He said to me, of all the days for the
37:23
Speaker 2: Prime Minister to be calling people a coward, when all
37:26
Speaker 2: anyone was referencing was the fact that he was run
37:28
Speaker 2: out of town by farmers deeply concerned with his policies.
37:32
Speaker 2: Just shows how much of a glass jaw he's got. Now,
37:35
Speaker 2: on that note, I want to bring you in, Cameron,
37:38
Speaker 2: because you've been arguing this for a long time that
37:40
Speaker 2: Albanzi has a glass jaw.
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Speaker 1: He does a very thin skin Shari.
37:46
Speaker 15: I mean, this is a guy who's fundamentally weak but
37:49
Speaker 15: pants to project being someone's who's well liked. Well No,
37:52
Speaker 15: I mean compare John Howe, who in the gun controller
37:55
Speaker 15: here in ninety six after Port Arthur, stop in front
37:57
Speaker 15: of angry crowds and explain why they need to be
38:00
Speaker 15: gun control in Australia. Albo couldn't explain why the transmission
38:03
Speaker 15: lines had to be there. He cut and ran, cut
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Speaker 15: and ran from Ballarat because he's such a weak prime minister.
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Speaker 2: And this is just how angry the farmers were in Ballarat.
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Speaker 16: Have a look.
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Speaker 2: Now, this was the Ballarat Bush Summit, But James, you
38:33
Speaker 2: were mediating at the wager Bush Summit and you heard
38:37
Speaker 2: the same anger from farmers over the renewables.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, look, Sherry, this is everywhere, and the problem here
38:43
Speaker 14: is that the Prime Minister in Labor off the back
38:45
Speaker 14: of the election results would feel like they've got a
38:48
Speaker 14: mandate and with the quarters that go on when we
38:51
Speaker 14: see the emissions updates, when we fall behind. The concern
38:55
Speaker 14: is because these regional seats no longer matter to Labour's
39:00
Speaker 14: strong force in the government and this sort of changing electorate,
39:02
Speaker 14: the people in the Bush are going to be railroaded.
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Speaker 1: They already feel like that.
39:06
Speaker 14: There are large parts of New South Wales and also
39:09
Speaker 14: Victoria that have already done their fair share of renewables. Towns,
39:13
Speaker 14: I might add that were the first towns to say yeah, okay,
39:16
Speaker 14: we'll take wind farms, will take sola, we'll get the
39:19
Speaker 14: investment that's come with it. And it's now at the
39:21
Speaker 14: point where in a place like Yas in New South
39:23
Speaker 14: Wales you've got seven hundred turbines either built or in
39:26
Speaker 14: development and they're saying enough is enough. The fear is
39:30
Speaker 14: that Labor, as I say, doesn't need these seats anymore.
39:33
Speaker 14: And so for the Nationals you begin to understand why
39:36
Speaker 14: there is this battle in the party room, to the
39:38
Speaker 14: point where there are some National MPs that if they
39:41
Speaker 14: backnet zero, they'd struggle to walk down the street in
39:44
Speaker 14: their hometowns, such as the anger at the moment about
39:46
Speaker 14: these projects.
39:48
Speaker 2: And I think that's right. And we heard you, James,
39:51
Speaker 2: you were asking why aren't some of the renewable projects
39:54
Speaker 2: built in in Sydney or in any of the cities,
39:56
Speaker 2: because they are predominantly in regional areas. Cameron, there's this issue,
40:00
Speaker 2: there is this genuine anger and it's fine for people
40:04
Speaker 2: in the city to say, I know, we support renewables,
40:06
Speaker 2: but it's not on their property.
40:11
Speaker 15: No, And we have to have the balance, don't we.
40:13
Speaker 15: We have to make sure that, like in Queensland for instance,
40:15
Speaker 15: you have to have the community behind you. So wind
40:17
Speaker 15: farms are still going to be built under the Christophili
40:18
Speaker 15: government here in Queensland, but only with community support. It's
40:22
Speaker 15: only where the community, James backs it. And as you
40:24
Speaker 15: said about some of these communities before, we were happy
40:26
Speaker 15: to have some renewables in their committee, not just all renewables.
40:29
Speaker 2: Yeah. And James, you're reporting in the Daily Telegraph tomorrow
40:32
Speaker 2: that farmers have been wanned that if they host net
40:36
Speaker 2: zero projects on their property and then if something goes wrong,
40:39
Speaker 2: they might actually have to pay the bill. Is this right?
40:43
Speaker 14: Well, this is mindlessly complicated, but you imagine every one.
40:46
Speaker 1: Of these projects. Sharry has a.
40:48
Speaker 14: Decommissioning plan, which is the plan for in twenty thirty
40:50
Speaker 14: years when the turbines reach end of life and have
40:53
Speaker 14: to be brought down. Now, the government in New South
40:56
Speaker 14: Wales Queensland's doing a little bit better job, but in
40:59
Speaker 14: New South Wales they are just hoping that these companies
41:02
Speaker 14: are still around in ten years and twenty years and
41:06
Speaker 14: are saving the money required to bring these turbines down.
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Speaker 14: The average cost is about four hundred and eighty thousand
41:13
Speaker 14: dollars per turbine, and the government had been pushed to
41:16
Speaker 14: put a bond in place, which I think would have
41:18
Speaker 14: been very sensible.
41:19
Speaker 1: That's what happens with the mine.
41:20
Speaker 14: You've got to put the money up front to guarantee
41:22
Speaker 14: in twenty years you've got that payment to put the
41:25
Speaker 14: land back to normal. Instead, it's a lot of good
41:29
Speaker 14: grace and just hoping that these green energy guys, a
41:31
Speaker 14: lot of them that are good, some of them that
41:33
Speaker 14: are not so good, are just going to do the
41:35
Speaker 14: right thing in twenty years and hand over millions of
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Speaker 14: dollars to rehabilitate the land. So there's a big concern there,
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Speaker 14: and I don't think governments have done enough.
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Speaker 2: Cameron. I'm keen to ask you about your labor colleagues,
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Speaker 2: if I can call them colleagues, Daniel Andrews and Bob Carr. Look,
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Speaker 2: we haven't seen them land in China yet, but it's
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Speaker 2: been widely reported that they have been invited to President
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Speaker 2: She's parade, military parade, this anti Western meeting. Is this
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Speaker 2: appropriate that they attend.
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Speaker 15: Well, it's not appropriate, and it's also a national disgrace, Shari.
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Speaker 15: I mean these are labor premiers which are held in
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Speaker 15: reasonably good esteem, who are clearly obviously paying or playing
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Speaker 15: to Beijing's tune. Now, I mean they're just pawns in
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Speaker 15: a China propaganda game, because.
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Speaker 1: That's all GI's big show of force is.
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Speaker 15: You know, he's there with despots and dictators and Dan Andrews,
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Speaker 15: and that's the big prize for Chinese propaganda's.
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Speaker 1: Bob car is pretty irrelevant.
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Speaker 15: He's a bit like the you know, the uncle you
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Speaker 15: have to invite to the wedding with the blue Safari suit,
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Speaker 15: the stains down the front.
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Speaker 1: He's a pretty irrelevant these days. Dan Andrews is the big.
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Speaker 15: Prize because he's Albow's best mate's. That's why China will
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Speaker 15: be so happy when Dan Andrews shows up if he
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Speaker 15: does tomorrow, because that will be the big embarrassment of Albow,
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Speaker 15: big embarrassment for Aucas and big embarrassment before he sees Trump.
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Speaker 2: Just sticking with you, Cameron for a second. Albo will
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Speaker 2: have to call this out if they show up and
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Speaker 2: it's in the media everywhere. He's going to be asked
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Speaker 2: about this. I mean, he has to criticize it, doesn't he.
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Speaker 1: I know, he'll slip the slide like your ways does, Shari.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And if he doesn't, well, that'll just reinforce the
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Speaker 2: view that is utterly weak.
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Speaker 14: Well, but labor and China have gone hand in hand
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Speaker 14: for a long period of time.
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Speaker 1: You look at some of.
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Speaker 14: Paul Keating's business dealings on the side. But also remember
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Speaker 14: Dan Andrews was in favor of the Builton Road, which
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Speaker 14: has crippled other countries that have done deals with China
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Speaker 14: to build infrastructure projects. All of a sudden, you can't
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Speaker 14: pay in China says that's okay, we'll take your airport.
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Speaker 14: We'll take your port and you don't have to pay
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Speaker 14: us back.
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Speaker 2: And that Belton rolled initiative that down Andrews Victoria up
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Speaker 2: to was even against federal government national security advice. I
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Speaker 2: remember reporting that at the time. All right, James willis
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Speaker 2: camera milder, Great to see you, Thank you now still
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Speaker 2: to come on the show. More on our revelations that
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Speaker 2: Greta Thunberg's flotilla was organized by HESBLA supporters, Plus Trump's
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Speaker 2: comments about Israel. Elon Levy, would you own me next?
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Speaker 2: Welcome back with the United States President has spoken about
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Speaker 2: the international campaign against Israel. He said that they're going
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Speaker 2: to have to get that war over with. It is
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Speaker 2: hurting Israel, There's no question about it. They may be
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Speaker 2: winning the war, but they're not winning the world of
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Speaker 2: public relations. And joining me now is from Israeli government
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Speaker 2: spokesman Elon Levy, Elon, great to see you again. Will
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Speaker 2: come in a way. In a way, these comments are obvious.
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Speaker 2: We always complain that, you know, the pr the propaganda
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Speaker 2: is stacked against Israel. But is he right that there
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Speaker 2: is now this pressure even from the US to finish
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Speaker 2: the war.
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Speaker 5: I think Rosident Trump is absolutely right that Israel is
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Speaker 5: on the receiving end of a vicious propaganda campaign that
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Speaker 5: is intended to end the war that Hamas started with
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Speaker 5: Hammas still in power in Gaza, preparing for the next
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Speaker 5: October seventh massacre and still holding hostages. We know that
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Speaker 5: has been Hamas's goal since it's started the war that
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Speaker 5: dreadful day, and it's why we're seeing every day non
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Speaker 5: stop fake accusations against Israel, redefining terms when Israel is
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Speaker 5: fighting a just war justly to bring back the hostages,
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Speaker 5: to make sure that Hamas can never take hostages ever again,
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Speaker 5: and to put the Middle East on a better footing
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Speaker 5: towards peace. But for that to happen, Hamas has to go.
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Speaker 2: There does seem to be debate about the best way
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Speaker 2: to end the war and how long this is going
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Speaker 2: to take. Reports about you know, Trump's post war Gaza plan,
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Speaker 2: which could see Gaza under US control for the next decade.
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Speaker 2: Have you heard any other details about this or what
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Speaker 2: the Israeli side is thinking.
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Speaker 5: There are many plans doing around for the day after
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Speaker 5: the war, but we have to understand the day after
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Speaker 5: the war means the day after Hamas. None of the
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Speaker 5: reconstruction plans are feasible at all if Hamas is still
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Speaker 5: in power, because as long as Hamas is still armed
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Speaker 5: and dangerous in Gaza. The reconstruction of Gaza means the
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Speaker 5: reconstruction of Hamask and any concrete that goes in to
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Speaker 5: build people's houses will go into the network of military
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Speaker 5: tunnels underneath people's houses. And it means whoever wants to
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Speaker 5: speed up the day after and rebuild Gaza peacefully has
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Speaker 5: to work with Israel in removing the Hamas regime as
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Speaker 5: quickly as possible and making sure that it releases all
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Speaker 5: of the hostages or else. Rebuilding Gaza just means rebuilding
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Speaker 5: it as a launch pad for another war against Israel,
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Speaker 5: and we don't want that.
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Speaker 2: We've seen a lot of mainstream media attention on gretathin
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Speaker 2: Berg and heerfuey Tila. Well you wouldn't have seen it,
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Speaker 2: elin Bit. At the start of the show tonight, I
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Speaker 2: exposed how one of the key organizers and others are
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Speaker 2: actually supporters of Hezbala and attended Hassan Nasrala's funeral. Does
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Speaker 2: this surprise.
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Speaker 1: You, Shari?
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Speaker 5: Of course I watched it. I watched your show. No,
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Speaker 5: it doesn't surprise me that supporters of Hamas and Hezbola
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Speaker 5: are trying to score propaganda victories for it around the world.
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Speaker 5: That's what they've been trying to do since the very beginning.
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Speaker 5: The organization that is trying to get Israeli soldiers arrested
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Speaker 5: around the world on trumped up charges of war crimes.
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Speaker 5: Also another supporter of Hezbola that has been documented. This
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Speaker 5: flotilla isn't trying to get humanitarian aid into Gaza, right
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Speaker 5: what are they carrying? A few sacks of flower and tampons.
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Speaker 5: If they want aid to get into Gaza, it can
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Speaker 5: go through the hundreds of trucks that are entering Gaza
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Speaker 5: every day, or air drops as part of the international
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Speaker 5: coalition that Israel is spearheading to air drop aid into Gaza. Instead,
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Speaker 5: it's a publicity stunt, a stunt that is meant to
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Speaker 5: give the false impression that Israel isn't letting aid into Gaza.
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Speaker 5: And what we're seeing now is the biggest operation in
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Speaker 5: military history to get aid into enemy territory. I mean,
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Speaker 5: just today Israel announced it's opening a new electricity line
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Speaker 5: salination plant in Gaza. Can you think of another example
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Speaker 5: where the side that was attacked in a war is
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Speaker 5: supplying electricity into enemy hell territory? I can't but unfortunately,
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Speaker 5: the anti Israel side will stop at nothing to try
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Speaker 5: to manipulate the emotions of people in the West to
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Speaker 5: get them to pressure Israel to end this war with
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Speaker 5: Hammas still in power and the hostages still trapped in Gaza,
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Speaker 5: and that will not happen. This war will only end
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Speaker 5: when Hamas is out of power and the hostages are
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Speaker 5: out of Gaza.
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Speaker 2: I've already got thirty seconds, but does that mean you
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Speaker 2: do support the current military campaign in Gaza City.
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Speaker 5: There is a very painful debate in Israel now about
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Speaker 5: whether we should pay a ransom to get half of
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Speaker 5: the hostages out and then try to negotiate the release
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Speaker 5: of the rest of them, or whether Israel should press
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Speaker 5: its military advantage to get how master release all of
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Speaker 5: them and relinquish power. I think there's fear in Israel.
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Speaker 2: That if we yeah, we're out of time, Elon, But
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Speaker 2: it was a fairce debate and no easy answers there
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Speaker 2: at all. Thank you for joining us, Elon, and thanks
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Speaker 2: everyone for your company tonight. I'll see you tomorrow at eight.
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Speaker 2: And here's Paul Murray