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Troth, Social Contracts, When To Quit, and more · I Hate Talking

• 0:29
  I Hate Talking: Welcome to episode 51 of I Hate Talking.
• 0:33
  I Hate Talking: Hi everyone.
• 0:34
  I Hate Talking: Now some people have asked us why there was no particular fanfare about episode 50, and I guess it really wasn't.
• 0:41
  I Hate Talking: We sort of just did episode 50.
• 0:43
  I Hate Talking: It was a relatively short episode, that particular episode, and I don't even think we made reference to the fact that it was the 50th episode, but I guess in a society that has 10 fingers, 50 would be a significant number.
• 0:56
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, and when you mentioned it, I remember thinking, wow, that's pretty awesome, but I also was sick and didn't have the energy level to throw a party for it.
• 1:07
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 1:08
  I Hate Talking: And I think probably around this time, the annual celebration would be more impactful than just 50.
• 1:17
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, we're coming up on a year.
• 1:18
  I Hate Talking: We are coming up on a year, which I don't understand because I think on episode 52, we're going to not be a year, but I don't know if that's because of the leap year or maybe we just had some extra episodes that we did.
• 1:32
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 1:32
  I Hate Talking: I don't quite understand.
• 1:34
  I Hate Talking: How we would be in April when we started in May and we've already.
• 1:38
  I Hate Talking: And 52 plus episodes in.
• 1:41
  I Hate Talking: Well, we had a couple of bonus episodes.
• 1:43
  I Hate Talking: Did those count too in the numbers?
• 1:46
  I Hate Talking: They count, yeah.
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  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 1:48
  I Hate Talking: So that must be why.
• 1:50
  I Hate Talking: So.
• 1:50
  I Hate Talking: I guess the big takeaway on all this is that you can count things a lot of different ways and in the end, maybe none of it really matters.
• 1:59
  I Hate Talking: So we are on episode 51 now.
• 2:05
  I Hate Talking: Congratulations to us.
• 2:07
  I Hate Talking: And we will, as always, have a word or phrase of the episode and that word or phrase of the episode is.
• 2:15
  I Hate Talking: Truth Troth?
• 2:19
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, do you know the word troth?
• 2:21
  I Hate Talking: T R O T H.
• 2:24
  I Hate Talking: Yes.
• 2:26
  I Hate Talking: So, I do not know that word, but there is a similar word.
• 2:31
  I Hate Talking: That comes to mind that probably is the same root word, which is betroth.
• 2:39
  I Hate Talking: Which is an archaic word that would be used in some sense of like an engagement.
• 2:46
  I Hate Talking: So like if a particular person asked for a lady's hand in marriage, they would become engaged or in the archaic sense, they would become betrothed.
• 2:57
  I Hate Talking: I think that probably would be even the word used in the King James version of the Bible to maybe described Joseph and Mary.
• 3:07
  I Hate Talking: So I would Guess that troth is some sort of promise or commitment that when you become betrothed, you are.
• 3:19
  I Hate Talking: Doing some sort of promise or making some.
• 3:24
  I Hate Talking: Declaration of commitment.
• 3:27
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I'll let you look up in a moment the etymology of it.
• 3:32
  I Hate Talking: But yeah, you're on the right path.
• 3:34
  I Hate Talking: It is both a noun and a verb.
• 3:36
  I Hate Talking: And so it could be used as a noun, like as in a promise.
• 3:40
  I Hate Talking: By my troth, I will not trespass on your precious property.
• 3:46
  I Hate Talking: Kind of idea, it could be an allegiance, as in like the knight pledge, his eternal troth to the defense of the kingdom.
• 3:54
  I Hate Talking: A commitment, like you said, I troth myself eternally to your service.
• 4:00
  I Hate Talking: Oh, it's a verb.
• 4:02
  I Hate Talking: So as a verb, it could be used as like in a commitment.
• 4:05
  I Hate Talking: Also, am I pronouncing it properly because I feel like, yeah, no, that's the A with the ah sound troth.
• 4:13
  I Hate Talking: Well, yeah, -- I guess you could hit the hit the button -- this is a rough.
• 4:18
  I Hate Talking: We've been pronouncing it wrong.
• 4:21
  I Hate Talking: I think it's rough.
• 4:23
  I Hate Talking: That does seem to be what the pronunciation guide and even some of the.
• 4:29
  I Hate Talking: Pronunciation Things that we've listened to indicate that it's actually troth.
• 4:36
  I Hate Talking: But it is the same word, um.
• 4:38
  I Hate Talking: Betroth is part of rough.
• 4:44
  I Hate Talking: So is all of our modern day usage of the troth the wrong pronunciation?
• 4:52
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 4:54
  I Hate Talking: Seems like it.
• 4:55
  I Hate Talking: I guess we need to look up why that's pronounced differently.
• 5:00
  I Hate Talking: So, as you indicated, we are going to talk about the etymology of this word and it's actually interesting to note that betrothed, which we were indicating would be maybe some of the language that would be used to describe Mary and Joseph, actually did not originate from this word troth, but that they actually became Used together later in the modern day and perhaps Middle English or English, but.
• 5:33
  I Hate Talking: That the original origin of betroth came from the English B or basically be something, and the English truth, so you would be truth someone, so you would make a positive statement about somebody or again, perhaps some sort of form of commitment, but you're basically declaring something to be true.
• 5:57
  I Hate Talking: So you are betrothed to that person.
• 6:00
  I Hate Talking: Whereas roth actually comes from a different etymology, but then that would be truth.
• 6:06
  I Hate Talking: Or betroth became to be used with that troth and became the modern day, or I guess in this case, somewhat archaic because I don't think that word betroth is used very frequently.
• 6:20
  I Hate Talking: No, but that is very complicated to be throwing betrothed and froth back and forth.
• 6:27
  I Hate Talking: It's hard to follow.
• 6:28
  I Hate Talking: But they both do mean.
• 6:32
  I Hate Talking: Truth or loyalty and all that, right?
• 6:35
  I Hate Talking: Cause when I'm looking up troth, betroth is under it.
• 6:39
  I Hate Talking: Even though it didn't come from it originally.
• 6:42
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, it's actually probably some form of overlap actually in the English and the Germanic where actually had a very similar word for truth, but that the word troth actually probably originates from a proto-Germanic root.
• 7:01
  I Hate Talking: Which I can't even begin to pronounce, but it basically means contract or promise.
• 7:08
  I Hate Talking: And that is A very similar word.
• 7:12
  I Hate Talking: With the word truth, and then that became used to be betrothed.
• 7:17
  I Hate Talking: So I think there was maybe even again as we've alluded to in some previous episodes, some unintentional overlap of languages and words where people were maybe even using the wrong word and it became interpreted as the correct word and then you just have all this mixing of the words and languages.
• 7:37
  I Hate Talking: There you go.
• 7:38
  I Hate Talking: So, at the core though, It does mean.
• 7:43
  I Hate Talking: Some sort of contract or promise and that would be true of both the proto-Germanic as well as how it became to be used in the Old English, Middle English and now perhaps somewhat archaic English.
• 8:00
  I Hate Talking: So we have the word troth as our word or phrase of the episode, but.
• 8:06
  I Hate Talking: As we've discussed a lot of interesting connections to.
• 8:11
  I Hate Talking: Betroth and some of the proto-Germanic words and the overlap between German and English.
• 8:17
  I Hate Talking: Yeah.
• 8:18
  I Hate Talking: So, the reason I looked up that word and wanted to know more about it was because I've been thinking a lot about Loyalty lately and faithfulness and just like.
• 8:31
  I Hate Talking: When, if ever, is it a good time to quit something?
• 8:36
  I Hate Talking: Whether it's a bad habit, Or A situation or a.
• 8:43
  I Hate Talking: TV show, it could, you know, be from Well, are you gonna quit the podcast?
• 8:49
  I Hate Talking: -- Is that what you're -- saying?
• 8:51
  I Hate Talking: OK, so this is my time.
• 8:52
  I Hate Talking: I'm telling you now.
• 8:53
  I Hate Talking: No, I'm not.
• 8:55
  I Hate Talking: That is not, this is not trying to announce that to you and to others that I'm quitting the podcast, but just when are good times to quit something?
• 9:06
  I Hate Talking: Or is there ever a good time to quit something?
• 9:10
  I Hate Talking: And is the criteria always the same?
• 9:13
  I Hate Talking: Well, I think the criteria will vary greatly based on what or who it is that you're quitting because I think that in some ways the word betrothed will indicate that you are aligning yourself to a particular person.
• 9:31
  I Hate Talking: So you are committing yourself to that particular person and declaring that you are.
• 9:39
  I Hate Talking: Basically aligned with them or creating an allegiance with them or some form of commitment and then that would create a contract of fidelity in some form or fashion.
• 9:53
  I Hate Talking: So if you make that promise, and it is a particular relationship with a person, and obviously I'm alluding to marriage if it's not clear by now that that would be something that you would not quit.
• 10:09
  I Hate Talking: And that would be something that.
• 10:12
  I Hate Talking: Again, the betrothed word I think is associated with the engagement, the declaration that you are going to commit yourself to this person and then you follow through with marriage and so on and so forth, that that is a lifetime commitment and then therefore you would not quit that per se.
• 10:30
  I Hate Talking: Now, obviously there's various levels of commitment.
• 10:35
  I Hate Talking: You might have a job or a Social club or a church that you are particularly associated with and in some form or fashion, there will be an allegiance, quote unquote, or some form of rough in terms of the declaration of some form of contract with that said organization.
• 11:03
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, and it even goes to, you know, things like sports, right?
• 11:08
  I Hate Talking: Or different clothing companies, people can have an allegiance.
• 11:13
  I Hate Talking: And a strong pull towards those.
• 11:17
  I Hate Talking: And perhaps that's part of the complexity is that in some of those things that you described, whether it be a sports organization or some sort of social club, there is really not necessarily a written contract per se.
• 11:31
  I Hate Talking: There's not like you're signing your name on the dotted line that you're going to serve in this position for 2 years and And so on and so forth.
• 11:42
  I Hate Talking: Now there may be instances where that is the case, but I think in a lot of the scenarios that you describe some of those examples, it's more of a social contract and not necessarily an explicit contract, but nonetheless, there is some form of troth mixed in there.
• 12:00
  I Hate Talking: Do you think that you need to sign something to make it a real allegiance?
• 12:05
  I Hate Talking: No, I do not think you need to sign something that you to make it a real allegiance, but That at least holds the parties accountable.
• 12:15
  I Hate Talking: If they do break that allegiance.
• 12:17
  I Hate Talking: Right, and some states, like a verbal contract counts, right?
• 12:23
  I Hate Talking: But not in all states and not, probably doesn't hold up as well in like, The core or something, right?
• 12:32
  I Hate Talking: Precisely, yeah, you can have a verbal agreement and that will be, again, as you indicated, recognized by certain states and not others, but in some instances, it will be just their word against your word and if you don't have anything written down, there may be difficulty in proving.
• 12:47
  I Hate Talking: What the particulars of that contract are.
• 12:51
  I Hate Talking: So what are some things that you Feel like you are.
• 12:56
  I Hate Talking: you would Give allegiance to, so give troph to.
• 13:01
  I Hate Talking: Is that how you say it?
• 13:01
  I Hate Talking: Give troph?
• 13:02
  I Hate Talking: that you would be troph to?
• 13:04
  I Hate Talking: No.
• 13:04
  I Hate Talking: Well, it's a noun and a verb, so you could I guess you could act in a trothful manner, or there could be an actual troth, which I guess as a noun would be perhaps another synonym would be just commitment or some kind of contract to use it in the literal sense.
• 13:26
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 13:28
  I Hate Talking: So, what are some things that you would So I think in terms of the noun thing, there's probably some contracts that I would be under in that, like I work for a company that has, you know, some form of particular expectation on my performance and behavior and I'm married, so obviously you have some form of expectation in maintaining our marriage contract as it were.
• 13:58
  I Hate Talking: I don't know if I really would categorize any of the other things as really rough because there's in that, I feel there's like a very strong.
• 14:07
  I Hate Talking: Aspect of fidelity, like if you depart from that, then.
• 14:12
  I Hate Talking: You are infidelities and.
• 14:16
  I Hate Talking: That would be negatively looked upon.
• 14:18
  I Hate Talking: Whereas a lot of the other things that I'm involved in are more of social contracts and it's more of just the expectation.
• 14:26
  I Hate Talking: There's not really necessarily a particular commitment or contract or a form of fidelity where if I break that, that it's like.
• 14:39
  I Hate Talking: Really, really bad.
• 14:41
  I Hate Talking: So do you think in your opinion that Troth is subjective?
• 14:45
  I Hate Talking: Well, I guess the definitions subjective, but how I'm defining the word, I see it as more of an issue of Particular contract and if you break that contract, An issue of fidelity.
• 15:01
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 15:02
  I Hate Talking: So I think some of the things with like.
• 15:06
  I Hate Talking: As an example, scouts, right?
• 15:10
  I Hate Talking: As I serve within that in a leadership position, there's not necessarily a particular written contract nor is there.
• 15:18
  I Hate Talking: A huge burden of expectation that I fulfill that role for a certain period of time.
• 15:24
  I Hate Talking: Like I am fulfilling the role and the role that I have within Scouts, but.
• 15:30
  I Hate Talking: If I departed from that.
• 15:32
  I Hate Talking: It may be more of an issue if I like went to a.
• 15:37
  I Hate Talking: Competitor of scouts, but like if I just needed a break, I don't feel like that would be necessarily an issue of rough.
• 15:45
  I Hate Talking: So if you went to like trail life, that's not a competitor, but like a similar thing, or you started your own scouts and you were like, hey everyone, come join my club instead.
• 15:58
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, but I did not have any particular.
• 16:01
  I Hate Talking: Betrothment to scouts that would prevent me from doing that, I don't think.
• 16:06
  I Hate Talking: So you listed the big things overarching work, marriage, yada yada.
• 16:12
  I Hate Talking: But what about like companies?
• 16:15
  I Hate Talking: loyal name brands or anything like that.
• 16:18
  I Hate Talking: Do you feel allegiance to any brands?
• 16:21
  I Hate Talking: As a consumer?
• 16:23
  I Hate Talking: Yeah.
• 16:24
  I Hate Talking: I do, but I feel like that is more because of the quality that I receive from those brands and therefore I will be somewhat of a proponent of those brands, but I have no social contract nor contract at all unless say somebody wants to sponsor us perhaps that I have to speak in a particular way about those brands, so I don't really.
• 16:52
  I Hate Talking: Would have any issue of switching, so.
• 16:55
  I Hate Talking: I do enjoy a lot of Adidas products, but if I found that to be.
• 17:02
  I Hate Talking: An issue in the future and switch to Nike, then it would not really be that big of a deal.
• 17:10
  I Hate Talking: And there's maybe a little bit of troth in that and maybe like a very wide definition of the word in terms of some sort of commitment that is then changing, that that would be very, very far on the other end of the spectrum versus what those things that I've already mentioned are.
• 17:28
  I Hate Talking: OK, so then in your definition of trough, in your opinion of it.
• 17:35
  I Hate Talking: There would not be a time or there'd be a significant Issue with breaking the trough.
• 17:45
  I Hate Talking: I think so, and Part of the issue with even saying that you could break troth would be.
• 17:54
  I Hate Talking: The time-bound component of it because a lot of contracts are not necessarily time-bound, even in social contracts.
• 18:03
  I Hate Talking: So you do something, it's maybe for The foreseeable future, but it's not really.
• 18:09
  I Hate Talking: A particular time period.
• 18:12
  I Hate Talking: Now there are some things where, you know, you're going to serve in this role for 2 years or 4 years or things of that nature or a lifetime, but I think in most instances, a lot of the things that we engage with that we commit to are not necessarily time bound.
• 18:27
  I Hate Talking: At all.
• 18:29
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 18:30
  I Hate Talking: So what are some of the things that you are betrothed to or would consider troth in your life?
• 18:38
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I think I took it different.
• 18:41
  I Hate Talking: I could see how you took it very literal, because yes, I agree like I've got my marriage.
• 18:46
  I Hate Talking: And there's some social and religious clubs that I did sign that I would attend or do certain tasks for.
• 18:56
  I Hate Talking: Not like they necessarily would be legal ramifications or whatnot, but I did make a commitment to serve or whatnot in these groups.
• 19:08
  I Hate Talking: Um So I think those, but then, yeah, I also think about like.
• 19:13
  I Hate Talking: Can I say coffee?
• 19:15
  I Hate Talking: Like I don't think coffee is.
• 19:20
  I Hate Talking: In any way gonna Dislike you if you switch to tea.
• 19:24
  I Hate Talking: Coffee is not a, it doesn't have to like you, but like, it's hard to even picture a day without coffee, and the times that I have to, it's very difficult.
• 19:36
  I Hate Talking: So, I just think like that is something that like.
• 19:42
  I Hate Talking: I'm committed to my cup of coffee every day.
• 19:45
  I Hate Talking: Yes, I understand they're not committed, right?
• 19:48
  I Hate Talking: There's no contract.
• 19:49
  I Hate Talking: You didn't contact the coffee bean and say, I'm going to grind you up and drink you.
• 19:54
  I Hate Talking: I haven't had that in years.
• 19:57
  I Hate Talking: And then if the, well, I just mean literally like the coffee bean meant coffee shop.
• 20:03
  I Hate Talking: It's like, wow, that's a blast from the past, but you don't have a contract in any form or fashion with The coffee itself.
• 20:11
  I Hate Talking: No, and I'm, I can switch coffee, like some people only will drink Coke.
• 20:16
  I Hate Talking: And refuse Pepsi.
• 20:18
  I Hate Talking: I go back and forth, I don't care.
• 20:20
  I Hate Talking: Right.
• 20:21
  I Hate Talking: So, yes, perhaps I'm using it in more of a literal sense, but again, even as it's used in the English with betrothed, that there's some form of promise or contract or declaration.
• 20:35
  I Hate Talking: That you would then change in the future and that would actually Void or break your trough.
• 20:43
  I Hate Talking: So what about like the pledge of allegiance to the flag?
• 20:47
  I Hate Talking: We say that every week.
• 20:49
  I Hate Talking: That's basically the same right thing, right?
• 20:52
  I Hate Talking: We're not signing something.
• 20:53
  I Hate Talking: We didn't sign something to be in America.
• 20:56
  I Hate Talking: Because we were born here.
• 20:58
  I Hate Talking: I mean, if you move here later, you do, I think, right?
• 21:01
  I Hate Talking: But We didn't because we were born here.
• 21:04
  I Hate Talking: But we still say that basically that we are.
• 21:08
  I Hate Talking: Pledging allegiance where trothing trothing is not a word, right?
• 21:14
  I Hate Talking: I doubt it.
• 21:16
  I Hate Talking: I have a hard time when it's a noun and a verb to go back and forth, to use it properly.
• 21:23
  I Hate Talking: Well, any verb can be modified to an adverb, so you can do things in a trothy manner, -- I -- suppose.
• 21:28
  I Hate Talking: There you go, OK.
• 21:29
  I Hate Talking: And that is true, right?
• 21:32
  I Hate Talking: I would categorize that.
• 21:34
  I Hate Talking: In some form or fashion of troth, if you are making a declaration that you are then.
• 21:41
  I Hate Talking: Indicating some form of troth to the flag and the nation over which it flies, but, and you do get up earlier than me in some cases, but I've never seen you like pledge to coffee.
• 21:53
  I Hate Talking: Like I pledge allegiance to coffee and I only drink Starbucks and so on and so forth.
• 21:59
  I Hate Talking: No, but I do occasionally sigh and thank the Lord for it.
• 22:03
  I Hate Talking: I'm like, ah, I love you.
• 22:04
  I Hate Talking: Well, that is probably a different word than troth.
• 22:09
  I Hate Talking: So, Yeah, I think there's some form of declaration, commitment, promise embedded in the word troth that will not necessarily be present for the things that you consume or enjoy or prefer.
• 22:25
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 22:26
  I Hate Talking: So I think we've probably defined hopefully pretty well, rough and some of the things that it may indicate, but I think the thing that you were trying to get to is when is it OK or socially acceptable or just acceptable in general to break that commitment.
• 22:47
  I Hate Talking: Right, yeah.
• 22:47
  I Hate Talking: I think it all goes back to the emphasis of the original commitment itself that if it's something very significant, like a marriage commitment or in some ways a work contract that those will be significant and will have significant ramifications if you break or abdicate the responsibility in fulfilling that rough, but that pretty much everything else, I think.
• 23:18
  I Hate Talking: It is more of a social contract and it's more of just expectations in terms of what you are doing.
• 23:28
  I Hate Talking: So, in a social club or a volunteer organization or a religious organization that There's Probably more.
• 23:40
  I Hate Talking: Societal, cultural influence that is driving you to fulfill certain duties than an actual particular declaration of commitment.
• 23:52
  I Hate Talking: In other words, the people around you influence you to do and behave a certain way rather than a particular written contract.
• 24:03
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 24:03
  I Hate Talking: And do you that applies to you?
• 24:06
  I Hate Talking: Because I feel like Obviously for big stuff, I'm very committed, but for coffee or for an event, I'm much quicker than you are.
• 24:19
  I Hate Talking: To say this isn't working for us.
• 24:21
  I Hate Talking: We do not need to do it any longer.
• 24:25
  I Hate Talking: Like we, as an example, as a family, we started doing this nighttime workout routine.
• 24:31
  I Hate Talking: The whole family, we all do it together and it's fun.
• 24:34
  I Hate Talking: Everyone's enjoying it right now.
• 24:36
  I Hate Talking: But I would be OK in a couple months if it Life gets busy, or it's just not fun anymore, or we're not seeing benefits.
• 24:48
  I Hate Talking: I'd be much quicker to say, ah, let's not do it.
• 24:52
  I Hate Talking: Let's find something else to do at night.
• 24:54
  I Hate Talking: I think you're like, we're committed to this.
• 24:56
  I Hate Talking: routine, we're gonna stick with it.
• 25:00
  I Hate Talking: That is true.
• 25:01
  I Hate Talking: I think that I will lean more towards a sustainment role than a starter role, which is probably something we can get into another episode because I feel like it could be a whole topic in itself because there's people that start things and there's people that sustain things.
• 25:19
  I Hate Talking: You probably fall more on the starter side and I would fall more on the sustainer side.
• 25:24
  I Hate Talking: So my perspective is if it's good enough to start, you should keep doing it.
• 25:29
  I Hate Talking: And that if you stop doing something that you probably should replace it with something else.
• 25:36
  I Hate Talking: some way so that you are not just.
• 25:40
  I Hate Talking: Stopping something altogether.
• 25:42
  I Hate Talking: And I think if there is a.
• 25:45
  I Hate Talking: External influence that you are providing with whatever that you are doing that.
• 25:50
  I Hate Talking: There is a particular expectation from the parties involved that they expect you to behave in a certain manner, and if that changes that will impact them.
• 25:59
  I Hate Talking: So just trying to be considerate and consistent for their sake.
• 26:03
  I Hate Talking: Right, yes.
• 26:05
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, and I think especially if there is, uh, say in that's through the summer or through the school year.
• 26:13
  I Hate Talking: I would push to continue with those till that obligation was met.
• 26:18
  I Hate Talking: Cause you don't want to leave the rest of your team.
• 26:21
  I Hate Talking: High and dry But then I'd say, OK, once that ends, now we're done.
• 26:28
  I Hate Talking: Once that cycle is over.
• 26:31
  I Hate Talking: Once you finished reading that book, you don't have to do the book club anymore, or something like that.
• 26:36
  I Hate Talking: I'd be much quicker to say it doesn't serve us anymore, so let's finish that book.
• 26:41
  I Hate Talking: Do the book club And then step back.
• 26:45
  I Hate Talking: Or I think you would like to keep going with the next book in the list.
• 26:50
  I Hate Talking: That is true, yeah, you sustain the particular pattern and routine until.
• 26:56
  I Hate Talking: I guess it doesn't work or until something better comes along, but yeah, I would have a higher preponderance to.
• 27:04
  I Hate Talking: Try to follow that routine and preserve the normal process that has already been established.
• 27:13
  I Hate Talking: Do you think our kids fall towards me or you more as the starter or the sustainer?
• 27:19
  I Hate Talking: I think when they were younger, they would probably fall either way.
• 27:23
  I Hate Talking: I feel like as they get older, they probably lean more towards the consistency and therefore the sustainer personality.
• 27:31
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I feel like most of them do, and that is hard for me.
• 27:35
  I Hate Talking: I think we make a good team because I can start things, like get ideas, and then you carry it out.
• 27:41
  I Hate Talking: And that's super helpful.
• 27:43
  I Hate Talking: It is hard to always be consistent when I don't see benefits.
• 27:48
  I Hate Talking: I'm like, let's try this instead now, but I see their desire for the consistency.
• 27:54
  I Hate Talking: And the sustainability.
• 27:57
  I Hate Talking: Exactly.
• 27:58
  I Hate Talking: So perhaps that's our big takeaway for this episode is that in all these things, social contracts or things that you start and try.
• 28:07
  I Hate Talking: And things that you participate in that perhaps there should be some form of time-bound contract in these things that they should not be open ended and you're just expected to perform in a certain way forever is that there needs to be some form of Contract expiration date.
• 28:30
  I Hate Talking: That's a good idea, yeah.
• 28:32
  I Hate Talking: So, from your friends at I hate talking, until next time, remember, it is only through talking that we begin the journey to understanding.