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I Am All In…Again: Is Dean’s mom being frosty with Rory? (Season 5 E4 “Tippecanoe and Taylor, Too”) · I Am All In with Scott Patterson

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  Speaker 1: I am all in. Again!
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  Speaker 2: I am all in.
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  Speaker 3: Again!
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  Speaker 2: With Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio Podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I Am All In Podcast, 111 Productions, iHeartRadio, Media,
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  Speaker 3: iHeart Podcast. We have a recap episode here, season five,
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  Speaker 3: episode four, and we have a very special guest, Wiley Smalls,
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  Speaker 3: an actress, three decades, roles, various TV shows, Murphy, Brown,
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  Speaker 3: Beverly Hills, 90210, Lethal Weapon, American Horror Story, Bones, Ally McBeal,
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  Speaker 3: and in the 2020 Oscar-nominated film, Manc. She played Dean's mom, May,
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  Speaker 3: in one of Gilmore Girls episodes. Welcome to the show, Wiley.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm so happy to be here.
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  Speaker 1: Great having you. We know you haven't.
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  Speaker 3: Watched the whole series, but how did you feel about
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  Speaker 3: watching your episode back?
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  Speaker 2: It was amazing. It really was amazing because I never
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  Speaker 2: got to see it when it first aired. And so
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  Speaker 2: I only got a little clip of it. So to
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  Speaker 2: see it all together and then start watching all the shows,
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  Speaker 2: it really is a wonderful, wonderful show. It's a wonderful episode,
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  Speaker 2: I have to say. And yeah, I loved it.
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  Speaker 1: Take us back. How'd you get the role?
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  Speaker 2: I was brought in by Jamie Rudofsky, casting director, who
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  Speaker 2: had cast me in one other, I think it was
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  Speaker 2: The Practice episode. And little independent films. And so I
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  Speaker 2: was excited to find out that I was going to
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  Speaker 2: be auditioning for Gilmore Girls. Oh, my gosh. So I
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  Speaker 2: walked in and the audition room was packed with all
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  Speaker 2: kinds of people. And I just knew I wasn't going
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  Speaker 2: to get it because all these people, recognizable faces. And
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  Speaker 2: I thought, oh, they're going to take those people, not me.
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  Speaker 2: So I had two scenes and, you know, you'd kind
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  Speaker 2: of just beat down the nerves and just say, well,
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  Speaker 2: I'll do what I do. So when they called me
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  Speaker 2: in the room, I did the first scene, which was
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  Speaker 2: with him and her. And then I thought, okay, now
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  Speaker 2: the next scene. And they said, well, go out in
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  Speaker 2: the hall and open the door and do it through
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  Speaker 2: the doorway. And I thought, Oh, that's different because I
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  Speaker 2: hadn't seen any of the other actresses. They came in
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  Speaker 2: and they left. And I thought, oh, they're going to
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  Speaker 2: hear what I do. OK. So I went ahead and
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  Speaker 2: did it. And then I said, thank you very much
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  Speaker 2: and left. And then when I got the call, I
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  Speaker 2: was shocked. I really was. I thought, oh, they liked
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  Speaker 2: what I did. OK. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You get recognized as Dean's mom.
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  Speaker 2: I do. I do. Even with this hair, people say, oh,
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  Speaker 2: you look familiar. And I know they're thinking about that.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody watch that show.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: All right, we've got season five, episode four, Tippecanoe and
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  Speaker 3: Taylor 2, air date October 12, 2004.
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  Speaker 1: Rory and Dean awkwardly moving through their relationship.
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  Speaker 3: And a fight with Taylor at the town meeting turns
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  Speaker 3: into an unexpected election for Stars.
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  Speaker 1: Hollow, meaning, meanwhile, Lane.
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  Speaker 3: Finally admits her feelings for Zack, directed by Lee Shallot
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  Speaker 3: Channel and written by Bill Pratty.
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  Speaker 1: Rory and Dean.
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  Speaker 3: Paris has Asher's 18th century printing press.
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  Speaker 1: Rory hates it.
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  Speaker 3: But meanwhile, Dean comes over to Rory's dorm and Paris
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  Speaker 3: wants to have a plan when she brings boys over. They...
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  Speaker 3: Then as they try to hang out again, Dean says
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  Speaker 3: he can't make it to Yale because Lindsay is using
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  Speaker 3: his car.
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  Speaker 1: So she drives back to Stars Hollow to his house.
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  Speaker 3: And when she arrives, she greets Sister Claire, Mom May,
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  Speaker 3: your character, Wiley.
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  Speaker 1: And it's awkward.
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  Speaker 3: May even says Dean's dad is in the basement and
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  Speaker 3: sends his hello.
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  Speaker 1: Dean knows it's awkward for Rory, so he apologizes and
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  Speaker 1: It seems to be awkward.
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  Speaker 3: May yells at Dean about the alarm, and Clara is
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  Speaker 3: blaring her music, a typical family scene. Next time they
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  Speaker 3: hang out, they're parked in a park, and they're trying
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  Speaker 3: to make out in the car, but it's weird vibes
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  Speaker 3: all over again, and Dean gets upset after Rory invites
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  Speaker 3: him to Jackson's rally because he doesn't want to rub
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  Speaker 3: their relationship in other people's noses. Dean comes to the
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  Speaker 3: rally anyway, and apologized to Rory and kisses her in public,
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  Speaker 3: saying things are going to be better now. Then Rory
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  Speaker 3: asks if Lindsay didn't find the letter, would he still
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  Speaker 3: have left her? He says, yeah, of course. Wiley, you
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  Speaker 3: made things a bit awkward for Dean and Rory. Tell
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  Speaker 3: me about working on that scene with Jared and Alexis.
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  Speaker 3: What was your day on set like?
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  Speaker 2: It was amazing. It really was, because... first of all,
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  Speaker 2: you're working on the show, but you're in, I had
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  Speaker 2: never worked with a female director before. She was wonderful.
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  Speaker 2: So they set everything up and it went really fast.
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  Speaker 2: I remember that. And they had me come out and
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  Speaker 2: they blocked it and they gave me that towel. And
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  Speaker 2: I thought, okay, this is great. And I went in
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  Speaker 2: and very kind. I remember that. I remember just thinking,
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  Speaker 2: Jared and Alexis are just so nice to work with.
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  Speaker 2: And so, yeah, I did my thing and then I
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  Speaker 2: went back into the kitchen and, you know, I think
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  Speaker 2: we did a couple of takes and that was about
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  Speaker 2: it on that one where I say, you know, Dean's
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  Speaker 2: husband's in the basement. And then when we went upstairs
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  Speaker 2: to the bedroom part, we had to take a break.
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  Speaker 2: And I remember everybody just hanging out. Nobody went to
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  Speaker 2: their separate trailers. Everybody was just chatting and hanging out
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  Speaker 2: with everybody. And I thought, oh, this is really a
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  Speaker 2: nice group. They're really working well together and they like everybody.
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  Speaker 2: So it was nice. It was fun.
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  Speaker 3: Well, this relationship course they're on is not going well.
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  Speaker 3: Seems doomed to failure, even with Dean's unsure response to
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  Speaker 3: Rory's question about Lindsay.
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  Speaker 1: Do you Do you think she's feeling it as well?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yes. Oh, yes.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely. Definitely. I remember because I can't save call sheets
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  Speaker 2: and I pulled out the call sheet and it said
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  Speaker 2: Claire is excited to see Roy. His mom is frosty.
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  Speaker 2: And I thought, yeah, that's that's what it is. The
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  Speaker 2: mother is definitely frosty toward Rory because she's protecting her
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  Speaker 2: son and she knows her son is making some bad choices.
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  Speaker 3: Does it seem like they're trying to make it work
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  Speaker 3: because of the mess they've made with their decisions?
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure if they're... I think they're just excited
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  Speaker 2: to feel that again. And I think that they're kind
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  Speaker 2: of figuring that part of it out. They're rekindling. And
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  Speaker 2: I don't think you're thinking a lot at that time
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  Speaker 2: when you're rekindling something. I think it's just so nice
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  Speaker 2: to have that happen again and know the other person
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  Speaker 2: is feeling that. And then you're not really thinking about
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  Speaker 2: the consequences. I think that pops up a little bit
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  Speaker 2: more when they're in the car. Don't you?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Trouble with Taylor. I'm going to get to this Taylor stuff.
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  Speaker 3: After Jackson has built a greenhouse, With the best tomatoes
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  Speaker 3: on the East Coast, Taylor tells him there's a problem
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  Speaker 3: with it. And it will be brought up in the
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  Speaker 3: next town meeting.
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  Speaker 1: Uh-oh.
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  Speaker 3: And then at that meeting, Taylor tells Jackson his greenhouse
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  Speaker 3: is too close to the edge of the property.
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  Speaker 1: It needs to move six inches. This is absurd, according
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  Speaker 1: to Jackson.
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  Speaker 3: And out of fury, he says he is running against
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  Speaker 3: Taylor for town selectmen. Suki and Lorelei are running the
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  Speaker 3: campaign inside Luke Steiner, and Luke and Lorelei lovingly bicker
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  Speaker 3: about it when then Jackson uses his baby to get votes. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 3: Taylor gives everyone free ice cream. It's the most harmless
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  Speaker 3: little show, isn't it?
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  Speaker 2: It is. It's fabulous. That's why it's classic. Everybody watches
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  Speaker 2: it over and over and over again.
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  Speaker 3: It's voting day and everybody is gathered at Luke's and
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  Speaker 3: they think Jackson's going to win. Lorelei sees Taylor in
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  Speaker 3: a soda shop by himself and starts to feel sorry
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  Speaker 3: for him. So she leaves the rally and asks people
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  Speaker 3: to vote for him. And at the rally, Jackson comes
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  Speaker 3: on stage and regrets running for selectman and admits he
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  Speaker 3: doesn't want to do it.
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  Speaker 1: They'd cheer him on anyway and call him an honest man.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Jackson ends up winning and he doesn't have anything
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  Speaker 3: to say about it. And then Taylor gets on stage
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  Speaker 3: and do a speech, ask for a recall election. Nobody claps.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody starts talking to Jackson about their issues at Luke's. Meanwhile, Lorelei's, uh,
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  Speaker 3: walks upstairs to greet Luke with champagne, but he is
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  Speaker 3: sleeping and we see.
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  Speaker 1: Them learning about each other, uh, in a relationship.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, all right. All right. Jackson is reluctant, uh, He's
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  Speaker 3: a reluctant town hero in this episode.
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  Speaker 1: But did you, Wiley, did you feel bad for Taylor
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  Speaker 1: as well? I think so.
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  Speaker 2: When you get the vote count and you realize over
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  Speaker 2: a thousand people voted for him and then only 10
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  Speaker 2: people voted for Taylor I was like oh my gosh
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  Speaker 2: I kind of felt bad because he didn't really want
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  Speaker 2: it but he was standing up for his greenhouse of
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  Speaker 2: course I liked I liked how they played that you
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  Speaker 2: know and oh my gosh and.
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  Speaker 3: That's about his uh contentious as it really gets uh
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  Speaker 3: amongst the town people i mean it gets a little
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  Speaker 3: heavier with the with the main characters but just such
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  Speaker 3: wonderful comic comic effect yes all right lane and her
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  Speaker 3: boys lane brian zack are going grocery shopping and afterwards
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  Speaker 3: she calls rory.
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  Speaker 1: Telling her she likes zack.
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  Speaker 3: She doesn't know if she should tell him because she
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  Speaker 3: doesn't want to break up the band.
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  Speaker 2: Uh-oh.
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  Speaker 3: The band gets, you know, let's talk about that. Have
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  Speaker 3: you ever been involved in a theater production? I already
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  Speaker 3: know the answer to this. TV or film where you
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  Speaker 3: can tell who's zooming who, as we used to say.
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  Speaker 3: um yes and does it affect the quality of the work.
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  Speaker 2: It's awkward it's really awkward it is right yeah you
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  Speaker 2: can't you don't know how honest to be when you're
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  Speaker 2: saying something and who's gonna who's gonna get back to
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  Speaker 2: and you know all of that and yeah that that
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  Speaker 2: is really really tough and I think it's worse when
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  Speaker 2: you're in a band, I would think, because it's such
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  Speaker 2: a smaller group.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: She's the only female in that band.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And being a drummer, she's got it really tough on
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  Speaker 2: both sides, I think. But, yeah, that's difficult. But I
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  Speaker 2: think she handled it well. She had to say something.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the band gets booked, shockingly enough, to play Joey
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  Speaker 3: Scarborough's Believe It or Not for Jackson's election rally. But
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  Speaker 3: they aren't thrilled about it, so they play their own
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  Speaker 3: rock version. And afterwards, Zach has groupies over at the apartment,
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  Speaker 3: and Lane blurts out that she likes him. He doesn't
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  Speaker 3: know how to take it and goes outside to get
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  Speaker 3: some air.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, OK.
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  Speaker 2: That was tough. That was tough because you kind of
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  Speaker 2: know what's coming and you're thinking, oh, how is he
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  Speaker 2: going to handle this? What is she going to do
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  Speaker 2: after that? And then he leaves the two girls on
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  Speaker 2: the sofa and just walks out, gives them their beer
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  Speaker 2: and then walks out. Oh, I felt I wanted her
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  Speaker 2: to run after him and say, wait a minute, you know,
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  Speaker 2: let's talk.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, she she she blurted it out. You think she
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  Speaker 3: should have just stayed quiet?
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  Speaker 2: No, no. I think it was time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I felt the pressure. I really did. I wanted her
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  Speaker 2: to say something and let him know. Yeah. She's living
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  Speaker 2: in that house and he's bringing girls home and she
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  Speaker 2: cares about him. Oh, I would have said something big time.
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  Speaker 3: Right. Well, let's talk about your, uh, your many and
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  Speaker 3: varied experiences throughout this industry. What's it like being involved
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  Speaker 3: in an Oscar nominated film like you were in Mank?
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  Speaker 2: That was an experience to be on set with David
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  Speaker 2: Fincher in a David Fincher film. And it was a,
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  Speaker 2: first of all, it was a period piece. So The
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  Speaker 2: costumes alone, what I was wearing was the real thing.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: From the costumes themselves and every process of it, the
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  Speaker 2: casting of it and getting on set. And I also
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  Speaker 2: said to the costumers, I said, I have a lot
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  Speaker 2: of period jewelry. Should I bring that to the fitting?
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  Speaker 2: And she said, please. So I ended up wearing some
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  Speaker 2: of my grandmother's earrings and a ring. from that time period.
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  Speaker 2: But all the crew was English and they had all
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  Speaker 2: the balloons in that ballroom scene where the balloons fall.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody had to be quiet in between takes and everybody
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  Speaker 2: got up and helped pick up the balloons. It was
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  Speaker 2: very communal kind of thing.
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  Speaker 3: And he.
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  Speaker 2: Kept us in our seats. So we filled out the
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  Speaker 2: whole ballroom area and, um, got to be there and
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: watch Gary Oldman work. Oh my God. Who wouldn't want that?
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  Speaker 3: You know?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Tell us about that a little bit. And did you,
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  Speaker 1: did you, did you have to audition? Did you audition
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  Speaker 1: for Lorraine Mayfield? I did.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I did. Um, it was put on tape for, and,
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  Speaker 2: At the time, my next door neighbor was a makeup artist.
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  Speaker 2: So I said, please get up and do my makeup.
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  Speaker 2: And I kind of went in dressed in a period type,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a long black velvet skirt and something that
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  Speaker 2: was a little not really period, but something that kind
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  Speaker 2: of gave an idea of the time period. And I
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  Speaker 2: went in and I did my first audition on tape
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  Speaker 2: and submitted that. And then I got a call back.
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  Speaker 2: So I had to do the whole thing. And then
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  Speaker 2: they called us in three at a time because they
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  Speaker 2: were hiring the three Hollywood wives. So we went in
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  Speaker 2: in groups. Right. And, you know, that that can work
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  Speaker 2: for you or against you in some ways. But it
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  Speaker 2: turned out that one of the other girls that was
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  Speaker 2: in my group was was one that was hired. So
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  Speaker 2: it was her and I. And then they brought in
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  Speaker 2: the third.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, good.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So.
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  Speaker 2: Being on set and watching him work take after take.
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  Speaker 2: And he's just fascinating because you think, oh, you're watching
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  Speaker 2: for everything he's doing. And then you're thinking, well, maybe
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  Speaker 2: that doesn't seem like a lot, but it is because
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  Speaker 2: every single thing just shifted a little bit here, a
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  Speaker 2: little bit there. And then you see the whole thing
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  Speaker 2: and you're like, yeah, no, he's amazing.
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  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he really is.
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  Speaker 2: It's like watching a master class.
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  Speaker 3: What did he do differently that you witnessed from other
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  Speaker 3: actors that you've worked with?
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  Speaker 1: What separates him?
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  Speaker 2: The freedom. He just had a lot of freedom. But
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  Speaker 2: when I say I've been on set where, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you never know your actor is going to be the
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  Speaker 2: person they're, really fun going or they're very focused or
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  Speaker 2: he was kind of a combination of all of that.
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  Speaker 2: He was so free. They didn't have to worry about, um,
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  Speaker 2: getting his lines. He was just very free to be
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  Speaker 2: able to say, okay, I'll do this. And, and he
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  Speaker 2: would get a little note or something, or he would
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  Speaker 2: go back and they would discuss and he would come
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  Speaker 2: back and sit down and, He was playing drunk too.
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  Speaker 2: So that was another thing to kind of fun to watch.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Great. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Hardest thing to do.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Hardest thing to do.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And it wasn't a sloppy drunk, but. Right. He
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  Speaker 2: just a little bit over the top where you think, okay,
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  Speaker 2: he's had just a little bit too much. Right. Champagne.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I auditioned for her for, for LeRae for a house
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  Speaker 3: of cards to play.
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  Speaker 1: The president of the United States.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 3: And I thought it went really well and I was hopeful.
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  Speaker 3: And then, you know, Kevin Spacey hired his buddy from Juilliard.
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  Speaker 2: So I auditioned for that show as well.
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  Speaker 1: Did you really?
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  Speaker 2: Yes. The secretary of state.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm so disappointed, but you know, I think I
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  Speaker 1: was great. I mean, he was great. You gotta, you
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  Speaker 1: gotta give him, there's, there's.
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  Speaker 3: Don't you find that, though, there's so many great actors
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  Speaker 3: out there and you just don't know who they are.
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  Speaker 3: They're all working in regional theater or touring. There's just
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  Speaker 3: a lot of really talented actors out there. There's just
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  Speaker 3: not enough roles to go around.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I think I get what is right for me.
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  Speaker 2: And I just go into the audition and think, all right,
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  Speaker 2: let's just work and thankful that you have the audition
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  Speaker 2: and move on because you get an opportunity to act
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  Speaker 2: so i never i never uh get too upset about
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  Speaker 2: the ones that i don't get i say that every
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  Speaker 2: now and then i do get upset yeah.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: It's really hard not to to try to pretend you
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: don't really want it because it was you know These
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: projects are few and far between, you know, and I
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: don't know about you, but I don't get called in
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: for a lot of them. But but it's when you
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: get one, you really want to hit it out of
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: the park and make an impression.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, What's the saying? You're going in to book the
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: room and not the role.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Right. That's it.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: You have to have that mindset. Yes.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: You've got to flip the psychology in that room or
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: you're not going to get anywhere.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: So if you do well, they're going to remember you.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Yes. But you really have to own that room. You know,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: you have to. I don't know.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: I just think it's a good idea to come in
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: as the character and just leave.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: And I don't like the chitchat before and after. I
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: don't like that.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: I do not either.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: I don't either.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: And, you know, thankfully, my experience in those big rooms
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: is they don't want to chitchat.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: No.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: And if you try to make conversation, then it gets awkward.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: You know. Yes.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. God, who did I?
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: God, I walked into, there was a room I walked into.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: John McTiernan directing.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: And that's a big room to walk into. And it
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: was just silent. Oh, no. They're all just waiting.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: You can kind of tell.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: You can tell.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: I look and I say thank you and I leave.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: But you can tell if they're looking up at you,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: if they're not making eye contact. You can always tell.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: You're like, okay. And then, yeah, there are ones where
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: you walk away and you think, oh, can I go
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: back and do it again?
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: I think they know when you walk in if you're right.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: Yes. You don't even have to speak. I mean, they
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: might as– I remember– oh, man. The shortest audition– I mean,
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: it lasted a millisecond.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: What happened?
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: Howard Fuhrer thought I would be good in New York,
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: thought I'd be good for the Buffalo Bill killer in
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: Silence of the Lambs. So I read the book, the
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Thomas Harris novel.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: I prepared. I was all ready. And this was to
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: meet Jonathan Demme.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: And, and to read for him.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: And I, and I, so I go and we, you know,
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: Howard said, John's a little late, so we'll wait.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: So that, that was, you know, more pressure.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: Yes. And then Jonathan Demme walks right in, he walks
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: right past, he says, you know, and then he said,
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: you know, he gets in his office and we come
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: in and he just, he just looks up from his,
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: from his papers and he, and he just looks at
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: me and he goes.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. You're just, you know, I don't want to
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: waste your time. You're just the wrong physical type.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: I'm sure you're a wonderful actor and thank you for
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: coming in, but you're just not how I see the character.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: And that was it. It was over.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: You didn't even get a chance to do that.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Didn't get a chance to read. No, no.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: That was a little, that was one of my first
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: opportunities too.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I was living in New York. I was studying
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: in New York.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: I was doing theater in New York. Got this really
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: nice audition. I mean, this is like, And I know
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: I could have killed the role.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: I know it.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: But if they don't see it, it ain't happening. It
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: doesn't matter. You know, they, they have a very specific vision.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: The great ones always have that. And you've got to
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: be that walking in. So anyway, um, Oh, I could
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: talk about this all day. Thank you so much for
• 23:12
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• 23:13
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