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Talks to Jack Coyer about his choice of The Unquiet Dead · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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I'm so drunk. Welcome back to a handful of a
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knife. Internet's, number one Doctor
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Who comments reporter last about my Welsh accent which is going
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to be hearing a lot more of you. In this episode, I'm still went
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by our host for every evening, mr.
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Joe thought I was you, hello. I'm very pleased to be here.
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Thank you for having me. Yes.
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And I'm very pleased. Also be.
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Yeah, had here talking One of my favorite periods of Doctor Who
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series 1 and Christopher Eccleston.
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Episode young quiet day that one jump start.
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Let's see if it's safe stalking. You the, we both come into this
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era very differently because obviously you're older than
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myself. So you've obviously have a lot
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more experience in the classic series.
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Yes. When we rebuild.
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I'm gonna be bringing both of you back.
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What were you thinking about a bit?
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But you're worried about their attitudes for the historical
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stories and what did you think they were going to look like?
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I wasn't even sure they were going to do historical stories
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if I'm honest with you. And to date my biggest
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disappointment with the historicals and I think they've
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been some Sterling like, a pseudo story for stories.
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Rosa thing was of the Punjab fires of Pompeii.
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This is that they always feel the need to put in US, science,
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fiction element and some of my favorite Doctor, Who stories are
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those classic William Hartnell? Pure historical stories and I
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think they absolutely could do it now.
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But they just It's okay, you know, series one is definitely
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a, it's a testing ground. I think for a lot of what's come
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before, what is to come? And obviously, they're never
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gonna do demons of the Punjab, or, or Rose, you know, if you
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remember, obviously Rose, they not only have quite an accurate
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depiction of that time period to the extent that they use the
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n-word. You know, you're never gonna be
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used. N-word in 2005.
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You a doctor? Yeah, well only you know looking
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at some of the big finish to install it comes you may never
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come again. The peaceful zoom, mastica on
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Saturday night, you know point I'm telling what a shame though
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that such a good story to peacefully Massacre, it's really
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riveting but I simply saying it's a quite a dull, isn't it?
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And I think that this, yeah, and we're going for family audience,
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which means a monster in it. Yeah.
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I think the kids, you know, but you know, a lot of people saying
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that if you look at, if you run into a sort of secondary school
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history class and Alston, what sort of topics are learning
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about history. They might save you, you know,
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the Victorian mirror World War 2 or the 1980s, which you
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obviously have a free historical periods.
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This is one consensus. Yeah.
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Because Look at inside the ladybird because historicals
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model section, B, and all that. That's just Chuck a bit about
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where this comes from, wasn't particularly, obviously this is
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hand. It's Mark Gatiss.
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Not see, you've been on a Dipper, the mortise on with the
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lots of Mobile Share words inhibit Onyx, I'm doing What to
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soon as well? Oh good.
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That's another one that's obscene and interesting
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historical period. I guess why are you guess what
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else? We called it the other day, but
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that's what experiment. And that's quite what a stupid.
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What are your opinions on? Campus is sort of General over
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and his approach to doctor. I love that word.
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Average if I'm honest I think if you look at the stories he wrote
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across the new series, you've got a couple of above-average
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stories. Like the unquiet Dead, the
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Crimson Horror. You've got a lot of middling
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stuff like night terrors and Cold War and then you've got a
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couple of stinkers like sleep, no more.
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With infant sleeping. I'm always probably have at
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least one record one, but it's also the one that's most out of
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his wheelhouse all set. Yeah.
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And most experimental. Yeah, the only two of his that
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on historical that and night terrors and obviously there are
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two. But most people probably put on
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the bottom for him. Yeah, because I think when it is
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sometimes say more cat, is it. Bit like the clinic in pounds,
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you know, about the who go on, in the sense that some Mabel of
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them, were probably claim to be the most Innovative of artists,
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but they're quite like a bit post more than in their
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sensibilities, and they wear their influences almost asleep.
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So, I'll see, you can't see him. I will be, you know, Kung Fu
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movies and westerns. One of them is that it You know,
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Nigel kneale and Victoria and Doctor Who he loves doctor.
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Yeah, yeah. I did.
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You know what? I feel like with the unquiet
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dead, he leans into his strength.
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This is very sort of, I don't know if you ever saw the league
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of gentlemen, Christmas special, and it happens a lot of
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atmosphere to it. Sounds spooky spectral, kind of
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atmosphere to it. And this is what he does, best
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this kind of and that's why I think the Crimson Horror is is
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under the best because that's kind Ghoulish and you know,
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really, really fun as well. I think I just half the time.
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He's got a good premise, like the Queen's coronation and the
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wire, or yeah, the little boy and the dollhouse and things
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like that. I don't know what happens, like
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for somebody who loves Doctor Who as much as he does.
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He struggles very often to write memorable Doctor Who Ooh, yeah,
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that's income. You know, he he clears up MMF
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import. The strength of this one is that
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if his might be a Zone me, go wherever doing it on television.
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They didn't know whether it's going to this series, two more
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free from if else. So we've had basically his whole
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life to come up with a doctor who story, maybe you could put
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on the television screen. Yeah, and I would say you mount
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the last one we did. Beautiful structure here and I
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did, which feels a lot like the classic series addressing
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themes. That the museum is my pickup and
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this feels like the inverse of that.
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But yeah this one's stories I think it's the one that feels
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the most like a classic. Oh that is that's a great
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observation. Goddamn it better or worse?
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Well, you got your, the thing we talked about destruction doing
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way that heart of the TARDIS, and all of that, and they dealt
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with that in the new series. Now, a lot of well, where's your
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right is, this is definitely a pseudo historical.
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This could have been in the classic series, couldn't it?
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It definitely, I mean, you could put no common survival them and
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I've been McCoy - yeah. This, this Aries is where you
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stepped into doctor, isn't it series 1?
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Yes. So 2005, I was 9 years old could
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be the math on that and so I remember Christopher Eccleston
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new BBC interview that purple mountain shot and it is
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something along the lines will be about this show is being
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aimed 8 for 12 year olds to all of them you know your pets where
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your bacon Fans, it's not easy being nine, but Dad, it's all of
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them are Pertwee and bacon fan itself.
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So I see I have that knowledge. And yeah, I gravitated towards
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it and for those, you know, three months or so, in 2005, I
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left from to it. And I think my reactions to
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still is one quite different if I think about that.
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Hey, so they 9 10 years old. Maybe you can fool a little, and
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I think one of the biggest things me was in the Summer.
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2005 54 series one we moved house.
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So behalf of wisdom on my life with left the house.
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But because of that, that meant the place, you know,
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environment, I want fear. He's won him was completely
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different to the environment. I watch the Christmas Invasion
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on words. Memories are completely
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different from my initial memories of every other top
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himself, is there a comfort to watching these then in the house
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that he used to live in? Yeah, I can sort of picture
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myself. What do you mean?
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He's and like, milk, get him off the stove.
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Blame allowed in sort of scooch him, a little bit closest of the
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Telly, this'll take him, what's going on and you, you had those
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memories. As of your first experiences
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with Sham that were always going to be different.
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Because you're stepping into a new world actually is spot-on
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with me as well. Like those first couple of vhss
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with my first experiences or classic who was those edited
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together, VHS is Terror of the zygons deaths the diet for
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things like that and I can actually see myself, I would
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have been about 12 Eleven or twelve Sittin like at my mum's
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knee. Absolutely terrified in the dark
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like hugging her legs as sister Lamont, with a blood running
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down her arms and Terror of the zygons are.
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I can see myself in that room watching that and the fear and
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the excitement of watching this, this show for the first time
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that felt so adult to me. Yeah, you're absolutely right.
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Yeah. Hey, Manny and third because of
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that That every single one of these episodes.
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I had that sort of special memory of.
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And this one was just one, I levitated feel a bit more
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because obviously it's just Oracle.
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So before this, you have all zeros in the end of the world
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and I think they are a bit more, you know, aliens and you know,
12:27
the robots and spaceships, they are what Doctor Who is being
12:31
sold on. The kids and the probably not
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being sold on on this quite as much, because they're Michael
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Charles, Dickens, you know, all them times.
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You know, what keeps going to make of it?
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Yeah, there never was a sky with its with diet.
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They never would, this never would have been the first
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Doctor, Who story? No, and you must have some, I
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said this is a patent. The first swill forestall is
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that leash? You know what?
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Someday Future Past back to present day, to sort of see the
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ramifications of those his life and how the people in their life
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of moved on and you get that again with you.
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No more further all of the depositions experiment looking
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at how her lots me bum. She's had, you know, quiz lock
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and Shakespeare clothing, and the first McDonald him.
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Well, you know, It was like the way up to you man.
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Even series does Evan, you know, you can the reactions.
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I think some of the best parts of the magnets in the UK, see
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him. So he has and, and Y NG or
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dealing with some stuff that they've Left Behind.
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Yeah, fucking them in this series, one is definitely
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setting the precedent. For instance, God confess
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something to you other Secret. Love for writing from the UK.
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I think it's massively underrated.
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Campers hell is probably movie, but I just find it so
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entertaining. I feel his children was right
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more episodes like that. I'd be in heaven.
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Yeah, I mean I know is we've got the midst of a serious with
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obviously the ramifications of Grace not being merely Moreland
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and obviously having to bring the doctor in the yazd is
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families households on seeing that interaction with the
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goofiness. You know, John's boy, I've been
14:34
slacking people to am influenced, but this episode I
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tell you it, it shows different hats to like episode 1, episode
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2, doesn't it? Because it is a little more
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cerebral because there's a kind of moral dilemma in this
14:49
episode. So I think it's a bit more a
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doll, and it has some nice hard-hitting, dialogue between
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the doctor and Rose in those scenes.
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Yeah, it's Rend scarier as well. This is a You see someone have
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their necks snapped in this episode.
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Yes, a multiple times actually, and yeah, you're right.
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You know, it trusts reviewers a little bit more because
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obviously, it's the first episode is that is one of the
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very few knew, whose thoughts are considering called, but
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neither starts nor ends with the Tardis team.
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They'll see both start a Min in Victorian London, so you've
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done. Book him of the Doctor and Rose
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giveaway. If you're gonna, um, Simon
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callow, you may as well start and end the episode with him.
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Exactly a group of squeeze as much footage out.
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And as you can, The word. Sorry continue.
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Yeah, you know those is the introduction point is the pilot,
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it's the please, you know trust us.
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We know we're doing the end of the world is getting people used
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to write. This is what Doctor Who is?
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It's not going to be those week. It's going to be something else.
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And being quiet it is, he's a bit history and you know with
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with them you're in for the Lord.
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Yeah. It's the confirmation method.
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So does. What?
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He is the full gamut of what we're gonna be doing.
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Wow. Shall we step into the snow and
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face the ghosts? Or I shall get there.
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Okie dokie. Well, if you care to count as
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in, Yes. Okay with she'll start in 5 4. 3
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2 1. Yeah.
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Mr. Sneed for shame. Yes cold.
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Open with Jessica's bit. Confused by him 2004.
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I was worried but I missed it. It's quite nice because you get
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a cliffhanger, don't you? We've come back to think.
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This guy has been that David Tennant.
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Tell me a little bit. I mean, I remember watching this
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and thinking, my God, this is a bit strong in this first scene.
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Yeah, they're both women and I love mr.
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Sneed right, the guy that plays. I've seen him in other things as
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well and I think he is Welsh. He is playing like your Cod
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Welshman though, isn't he? Oh, yeah.
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But I know you mean coming through the air.
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Yeah, I love that line. You know, we've got another one,
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it's just a simple matter. This has been going on for a
18:27
while pass. This shot here right where it's
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it. I was past the gas light and
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keeps going until we're right down her throat.
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We're all the girls. I've been initially planned on
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doing that and having the having the vortex going on, man.
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What today's budget? Well, they did.
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Didn't they in Ascension assignment?
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Remember, they went into the are.
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Yeah. Yeah, you know, I get, I'll get
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hints of Shaun of the Dead with that.
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That old woman zombie going about killing people, you know,
19:05
because there's no woman. Did you know, the party was
19:17
originally penciled in for Oh, I can't remember but it's probably
19:23
still mad. But yes, that's what I mean.
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Oh okay. Jack these scenes.
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These early scenes right in unquiet dead.
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And this all these two around the console died where you want
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to go past or the future. Yeah, I think that's just a
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magic of the TARDIS better than practically any other Doctor Who
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story? Yeah.
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And that idea of what you've done the future mellotts do you
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know we're not going to do the same thing but it does as well
19:54
it does make the Tardis feel like Like a Fairground ride
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doesn't is like, right. We're going to try this ride and
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then we're going to try that ride.
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And it's kind of boiling it down pretty simply.
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But in a way that a family audience can just get like that,
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you know, yeah, I mean, it took from jolts a bit like a
20:15
Fairground ride them and we sort of see it but violently shaken.
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Do you think it's unfair of me to say?
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Because I do think this that Russell T Davies remembers in.
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I think in pretty much every episode that he put out the
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daughter who was for a family audience.
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So for adults, it needs to be intelligent, it needs to be
20:38
something to get your teeth into and maybe a little bit violent.
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And for kids is needs to be funny and colorful and have
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excitement in it and things like that.
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Whereas, I feel like Mafia and chibnall It pushed the white?
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Yeah, it's okay. Yeah, you know, you could do
21:00
both, you can mix your and the entertainment, you know, which
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open this dance. I was always so confused by this
21:10
green glow in the Thomas. It just wasn't, what do you
21:14
imagine is? I'm not sure probably some
21:18
nuclear waste or something. Well there's some did there's a
21:24
cup of tea that goes down there in a later episode.
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Remember in Christmas Invasion? Yeah.
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Can I just say I think Billie Piper looks so beautiful.
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Oh she's very particular me outfit that they hammer.
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Don't see in this episode, I'll sleep in knowing it all the
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time. Other quite, you know, quite
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what I've been crushing was. Obviously a major little boy
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looking at is so thin plate. Audience, identification card.
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Oh that's why this work do I think that's absolutely why this
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word because I think half the orders were not going on for
22:03
Doctor Who stories. They were going on roses
22:05
Journey. Yeah, these directions but
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doctors described his mother's costumes, or I think someone
22:14
said that Miss Jane directions word for word but Capaldi gives
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billion thinnest and you know, do the Doctor Who story that's
22:23
riffin at the classic Doctor Who story that's riffing on Sharda
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in Sharda remarks, third, left, or right past the kitchen the
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other there, you know, it's very kind of lyric.
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In 2005, only the proper nouns with a moment about shorter.
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It's obviously it's not wasn't as accessible as it is today.
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Excuse me, I'm wearing my proper name badge today.
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Okay. Yeah, that's the Davis and more
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guesses is all right, right? They are the most proper nerds.
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You're ever going to meet up. There was a series one.
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You can't get 5. B, adopted humans than Russell.
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T. Davies, Mark Gatiss.
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You know, Steve them off. Hmm, polka now.
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Yeah, probably report pistol to do that.
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So, no plan and, you know, Okay, well I got another question for
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you. Hmm.
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Where would you rank? Christopher Eccleston the
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doctor. And what do you think?
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I mean personally I had the number one but I obviously
23:28
understand my Seaman's is so hard to divorce than the fact
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that was my first entire run. But I think is such a great mix
23:38
of everything. The doctor should be a little
23:41
bit snarky very small and if every famous The set of new
23:46
things, completely differently from the rest of us.
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Yeah, yeah. He's got an intensity to him as
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well. The, I just think it is a lot.
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I Can't Take My Eyes Off him. Yeah, I think that's his
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character actors or backgrounds. May have clearly very invested
24:04
in what this mole is and what the show is, and sometimes you
24:09
need an outsider to do. I mean, if you look at that
24:13
stuff that I don't like Nicholas Meyer does it do not see
24:17
referent corn and some other country though, fourth one.
24:24
And there are three of the most highly regarded started and this
24:28
Cliff smile happily tell you. It's not starting, you just sort
24:32
of objectively, not sit how to key in familiar.
24:37
Into the fields, which have questions doing as well.
24:41
That's a great parallel. Do you know?
24:43
And I think sometimes when you bring in fresh blood that isn't
24:47
connected to like Doctor, Who fandom you get with it results
24:53
because I think you have to be one or the other.
24:55
I think you have to be a new baby or complete Outsider.
24:59
Yeah, I'm gonna have to fix. Let's do is probably quite good.
25:03
I think Julie Gardner wasn't A doctor who fan but she fell in
25:08
love with the show through making it.
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Yeah, Phil Collinson was a massive doctor who knows?
25:15
And so you had and those were the two kind of voices, either
25:19
side of Russell, T Davies, you know, this one my favorite
25:23
moments, those Stanford doctor you men there that's outside the
25:28
Tardis and she goes. I'll know you've done this
25:30
before. This is my moment and, you know,
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we're right there with, you know, I'm finishing.
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Yeah. You've done this before.
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I've not had a chance to, you know, go outside and see the
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post and I think that's a great moment.
25:47
When you step in the snow like that I would completely step in
25:49
the city or minimum the port of the email, great friends and
25:55
obviously maybe more if you want but You know, I didn't spot the
26:01
old woman in the audience, to start off with my I did, I it's
26:05
a great guest in them. And again, what you said about
26:08
getting kids involved, it's like, where's Wally for Quantum
26:12
quality to it? Which they do a similar thing
26:15
him runs. Yes.
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Ohh groans never doctors doing this term in a speech and most
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including that speech. You can see the Tardis in the
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background and they don't highlight it.
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It's just in the And I love that moment.
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It's a cute. Well, I'm sitting there my
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going, that's the Tardis. So the back that I've spotted
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it, it's made me feel small. Typically is on.
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I'm working with what they want me to work with that's coming
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underneath our work is well, who people really don't raise his
26:48
Direction and I think there are a lot of moments where he's
26:50
sloppy but actually that's where he's very strong as well.
26:54
So it's less. Where's Wally more?
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Where zombie granny? Yes.
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Yes. Okay, there's a whole book, you
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know, to be made out of that. Yeah, they make it a little bit
27:05
obvious when she starts glowing blue, but you know what?
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I know, some fabulously creative people, you know, on Twitter
27:14
that do drawings. I might ask them to make aware
27:17
zombie granny picture. I think I think I know I Gone on
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record as saying that I think not always but often Steven
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Moffat. Wasted incredible like celebrity
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guest actors people. I don't know where Bill Bailey
27:43
people like that, even the Like Richard Gere and I don't think
27:46
he got anything spectacular to do this era.
27:50
This these four seasons they knew how to deliver great parts
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to Fantastic actors and what Simon callow does with Chickens
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here is oh yeah, very handsome. He's the Gateway because he's
28:04
like an actor who a lot of other actors with the steps instead of
28:09
be here because it all that is talk to each other and they
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hear. Oh my God you know Christopher
28:16
Eccleston and Simon callow and Annette had learned and all
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these kinds of people didn't talk to him.
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Really awesome. Yeah, but obviously different
28:26
celebrities, different Stone there.
28:29
Since the various age audiences, so they've got Liberties for
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people of all ages. So that when I was watching Bob
28:36
during this period, my celebrities weren't, you know,
28:40
Simon Cowell, and that bad things.
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Like I was, I was hyped with, you know, Reggie Yates playing
28:47
Morphers well, that was my idea. You know what?
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Mine was, Catherine Tate, because I freaking love the
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Catherine. Tate Watch out.
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So when I saw her in the Tardis is absolutely in my element.
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Yeah, but you know, I think without Simon callow, I don't
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know. You get a Catherine, take a,
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grant us all come in for a bit. Yeah.
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Or Kylie Minogue. Yes, definitely.
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Those came for form here. You think I'd even I was the
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most like Prestige guess that they've had.
29:29
My name is Michael gambon's playback, he was beguiled, Derek
29:33
Jacobi the Jacobi appear in his probably you know talk to Simon
29:38
kind of yeah I mean Ian McKellen before voice spin you so big I
29:43
can't even get him on set them and we'll coordinate.
29:46
That's out. There he is.
29:48
I mean, actually, interestingly now probably the biggest name in
29:51
Doctor Who is Karen Gillan, given the movie.
29:54
She's All David Tennant, you know?
29:58
Until then they came back and said, stiff.
30:00
I'll be a pretty big one. You know, there was about a
30:04
moment ago where they had everyone screaming in the
30:08
theater and ecosystem goes, are fantastic.
30:22
Oh, don't you love it is a massive Dickens fanboy.
30:29
Destruction last time, and one of the things, which Menses to
30:33
meet you, destruction is an amazing Charles.
30:36
Dickens left ones, in the Target normalization.
30:39
Because Bob's Burgers always really weird, you know, they
30:43
haven't even got any Charles Dickens books in the toilet and
30:47
Susan's, never even heard the child.
30:49
If we divide climate means in film percent.
30:53
Well, the first stop, it isn't like Charles Dickens and then I
30:57
won't stop the dance. You kind of wonder, which one of
31:00
them picked up Charles, Dickens? Sorry about that was a fabulous.
31:05
Pull my last book called Mad Dogs and Englishmen in the
31:08
eighth doctor range, where we visit the Tardis library.
31:11
And there's a book that the doctors got into and it's all
31:15
like, I think like a guy's the universe.
31:18
I'm going to something like that, and he's literally written
31:19
in the margins, in different incarnations, arguing with
31:23
himself, and disagreeing with him safe.
31:30
Nothing close to kill the. I haven't even used a chemistry
31:42
between Austin and callow wasn't guaranteed, but it is terrific
31:47
about cynical person. Stepping up his game because he
31:50
knows what all you're not. Sperm.
31:53
One is commenced and in an alien costumes, you know, your papa.
31:57
No, I genuinely think Jack. In the second half of series 1
32:03
ecosystems performances are some of the best performances we ever
32:07
saw as the doctor. Because I think my material gets
32:10
darker. Yeah you've been miss there's a
32:13
bit of a wife and son and because obviously I'm sure cuz
32:18
it'll be issues that he was going for the impact it is which
32:23
he's been quite public about now as an a that there was going on
32:26
and he was having creative differences.
32:29
It's behind the scenes and things like this, you know?
32:31
It's yeah. But I've been told a lot of his
32:33
favorite stories. I think he's spoken quite
32:37
positively about the empty child and Dalek, and Father's Day.
32:43
What their Politics on this famous ones.
32:45
He's spoken to you I think is massively.
32:50
Massively underrated, it's Boomtown.
32:54
Yes. I mean that's you know and that
32:55
was written on the floor, you know that was win.
32:59
Russell T, Davies work that I'm a bad man.
33:02
That happened a week. And, you know, you know what,
33:05
Jack the excess poison was it. The excess gas can be an exhaled
33:10
through the lungs? Yeah, zombies.
33:18
Yes. Multiple same time.
33:23
We haven't had the unquiet dead, at this point had way, this is
33:26
the uncollected. Oh what?
33:28
What about? You know, Harmon, yeah.
33:37
No, no, no. Mount the one called member
33:53
would not thought that yet. Eve Myles obviously cleaner and
33:59
my porch would, I think she's the own VP of this episode Ivar.
34:04
Uh, I think she's giving a really delicate, very nuanced
34:08
performance in this. Yeah, I think she might be
34:12
better for him if since years important words, there's no sort
34:15
of, not a fan, a talk to her, but I don't mind.
34:19
And I think the best of Orchard is really, really good children
34:22
about. I think is fantastic and some,
34:23
yeah, but I think she's often written two extremes and she
34:28
shouting a lot, and you know what I mean?
34:30
There's no subtlety in her characterization in Torchwood
34:33
except for a few episodes where as this just shows what she can
34:36
do with a really solid delicate part.
34:39
Yeah, but in mind, you know, there's only really five main
34:42
actors and two of them are who are creative and wonderful, Miss
34:45
Simon Cowell. And you know, for all the alone
34:48
and Monster, What I love in a minute is, I'm sorry.
34:52
Go on the reference to mr. Smith upon the boat Rose.
34:59
In the back of the taxi. Is it tell you
35:13
in the end of the world or something like that?
35:16
It's a few adult references while I think they were kind of
35:19
test. During the war in series one as
35:21
well. And it and they and I think as I
35:23
got more confident as it went along and they brought me Jack.
35:26
It was bisexual and they had to kiss the dirt.
35:28
The jewel kisses man, man, man woman at the end of the season,
35:32
I think synoptic. Yeah, why we love in a minute is
35:40
there's a sequence between rows and Gwyneth that goes on for a
35:44
good couple of minutes as I expected, dialogue sequence, and
35:48
it's all character. It's all about her.
35:50
And her gift, and that's chilling moment where she looks
35:54
into roses mind, and sees the future.
35:57
And then says about the big bad wolf.
35:59
Well, yeah. And I think that seems the whole
36:01
episode and this one as well. I suppose.
36:07
But it's I like this because there is a lot of talk in this
36:11
and it's smart tools as well. They're talking about a race
36:15
that is going to inhabit. The cadavers of human beings to
36:23
survive when you know, that's what thought you should Prime
36:28
do. It should try Ansel, put a
36:30
morality tale amongst the adventure and make you think
36:35
about or what? Don't let the most adults.
36:38
I've always loved ones and you but you understand both points
36:42
of view. Like be, yeah.
36:46
Well, this is obviously so different.
36:48
She's obviously a human and even through a human she's quite a
36:51
young one. Yeah.
36:53
Obviously her perspectives going to be so different.
36:55
So I'm like I really really like the work of Malcolm Hulk in the
37:00
Jon Pertwee era but he's absolutely making a point when
37:04
he's writing a script and you know where he's leading.
37:06
So whereas what's nice here is you get the doctor's point of
37:09
view you get roses point of view.
37:10
And I don't think the episode falls down on either side it
37:13
says you decide. Yeah, I mean, luckily, there's
37:17
no matter which one that's right.
37:18
Because obviously, they didn't even have it.
37:21
The bodies in the day or they don't get it.
37:25
And it's another play important scene as well, because it's
37:27
about Charles is sort of questions of faith and a big
37:33
theme of lot of the Davis either is people having a crisis of
37:38
faith and wondering what is the point in their life.
37:43
Now that they've Audience, what the doctor experiences everyday.
37:48
You know, they had that Glimpse and they don't know whether they
37:51
like it or not and it shapes them up, which is obviously a
37:56
recurring theme throughout his ear that will be for, you know,
37:59
Jackie toilet. If you know the personification
38:02
of that scene, but we're getting it here.
38:06
There's another, there's a, there's certainly a theme in
38:09
series one, which I remember was criticized as the season was
38:12
going along that Christopher Eccleston.
38:15
Dr. Wasn't directly responsible for the conclusion of the story.
38:21
As the doctor, he wasn't being proactive.
38:23
Instead he would encourage other people to take an act.
38:29
And what people do realize is all part of this thing and the
38:33
rusty Davis does which is a long game is its leading up to that
38:36
moment in part of the ways where he's got his hands on the thing
38:43
and he's got to make the choice. Whether to directly like murder
38:47
everybody, and he does what he's done all season.
38:50
He says no more than that. Yeah, it was funny.
38:54
You said about that choice. I think one of the most
38:56
important things adopted who is still a closed in.
39:00
If the historical characters, look at the companions, like the
39:05
companions. Look at the doctor there.
39:08
This unusual. Don't like being from another
39:13
time, who knows, more than they should who says more than they
39:17
should particular, missing obviously grimaces Scandal by
39:22
what? You know, those is talking
39:24
about, just as Moses is Scandal. I want the doctors talking about
39:29
and I think this shows those his journey in becoming more like
39:33
the doctor which happens throughout all three historical
39:38
dinner if you got this one, In for this day, she becomes more
39:44
specifically about the 9th doctor because she persuades her
39:48
dad to save the day. Mom, and her saving the day
39:51
itself as the doctors, not there, she has to solve
39:54
cosplayers the doctor and in the end until she becomes even more
40:00
like the doctor because she didn't.
40:01
So I'm companion. Kevin, yeah.
40:04
And she invites her new compact at the doctor doesn't invite
40:07
Jack on the Tardis, those it What's her new companion?
40:12
Onto the Tardis and both I'm addicted to Folklore the doctor.
40:17
And those are almost equals in that.
40:19
Yeah, she's down, she's down in the cellar saying.
40:24
Come on my lady. We're going to get out of here,
40:26
Paul. You know, and she's being the
40:27
doctor. And that's what the historical
40:30
can do is showing. But actually, we might think the
40:34
doctors discipline but we're closer to the doctor, then these
40:39
historical account. It is all God's.
40:42
Another usual podcast. You know what?
40:45
Honest, no, I should go. I feel like your thoughts have
40:49
been marinated for a long time. You know.
40:51
These sporting will tell you what this is a very simple
40:59
season, isn't it? And I never come away from this
41:02
season unsatisfied. Yeah, at the big game.
41:07
It's that theme and capitalization for going
41:10
Throughout the whole thing, we filled tons, but most of this
41:14
conversation, which is a shame because it's one of the best
41:17
teams in the story and in family, obviously, putting Eve
41:22
Myles and Billie Piper next to each other because they are
41:26
vehicles to ask women and women if plymouth's.
41:31
Or in the first episode of Torchwood, she's basically
41:35
playing the role of rows in runs.
41:38
I think those two episodes of the way.
41:40
Very similar in the sense of black women and ordinary person
41:45
who sees this mysterious bitter Jack, the doctor and it sort of
41:51
assimilative into their their world.
41:54
So it's interesting that it's all looked at these two and put
41:59
them in. But some of the roles, the
42:01
second episode of Torchwood is called day one and lying Rose
42:05
going on her first sort of step out into space, Gwen is Exposed
42:11
to it. Well, I mean, it's a mad sex
42:12
gasps alien, you know, but you do know me she's exposed to All
42:16
The Madness of what tortures is going to bring into her life.
42:21
Yeah. Yeah, and obviously misses him.
42:27
So persuading when I think this will do what she means to do.
42:33
You know what, as well as yet. This is definitely slower this
42:37
episode than what comes later. Even in later, RC Davis Seasons.
42:42
But certainly anything from Office time on was this is
42:45
slower paced, I think and it's to its strength is to its Merit.
42:50
I think Yay, limits because limits the settings and just
42:55
says, we're gonna let these personalities go off each other.
42:59
This is the sort of cheap mummery, I attempt to unmask.
43:04
And if it's a symptom of the earlier, softer Kingdom, if you
43:09
reference phantasmagoria, which is obviously a Mark Gatiss big
43:13
finish and that also had a chance did.
43:16
And there are, there are a lot of strong parallels to
43:19
phantasmagoria in this. With me, reviewed it for my new
43:23
big finish YouTube channel, and I felt very strong unquiet dead
43:28
Vibes when I was at, although obviously that came first, the
43:32
good that was his big first B image.
43:35
So that's what. Do you put?
43:36
One chance, go let me sort. Come up with quite similar
43:41
things. And he conquered the books as
43:44
well. He's done it all Mark, exactly
43:47
evolve show them adopted, Mark Gatiss, with always be someone
43:52
who had run up some time, being an episode persons.
43:57
I've heard of Charles. Dickens, that amazing 90 as
44:02
about what is it about the dead inhabiting cadavers?
44:07
I do not add with a full line, but it's us some time.
44:13
Fulfill that for clarity to it. Yeah.
44:15
It's a very sort of Christopher Benjamin, Henry J, go style
44:19
performances and this is an amazing shot limits would be at
44:25
else. Come in over.
44:31
Pity. We got some yeah.
44:35
Sorry I've just doing impressions of the gulf a mile
44:43
about when they turn out to be evil, their voice is a lot more
44:46
fun. Well, in the morning, what is
44:50
your opinion from delft? Because obviously I know they've
44:53
got a lot of controversy I think um, who was he did that with his
44:58
Lawrence miles who sort of condemn this Boy, for then being
45:03
quite a sign of what vitriol towards refugees.
45:12
I mean, yes, you absolutely. You could put that reading into
45:17
it if you wanted to but you know what?
45:19
Yeah, look at a lot of Doctor Who and you can put political
45:22
and troubling readings into a lot of it.
45:24
And you know what? That's no fun.
45:27
Yeah. Rubbish.
45:43
And I think that's because he wasn't invited to come into the
45:45
series. And he spent a lot of time on
45:47
his website writing. A lot of clever words about how
45:51
shit all of this is. Well, guess what?
45:53
It's still provide a lot of people, a lot of enjoyment
45:55
Lawrence. So yeah, they're not, you know,
45:57
it's not miss each other but I just thought, at the time, I
46:03
remember in the kids now just below love elevation, a is and
46:07
they just wanna email conquer the world.
46:09
That's all never even in the same breakfast, like the same.
46:12
Like that, you know, people that say about the tech taehoon plot
46:17
with the Third Doctor is, you know, it's got like abortion
46:21
parallels and the dangers of abortion.
46:26
What am I talking about adoption?
46:29
All right now I thought you meant kill the moon, kill the
46:32
movies, the one? Yes, Hari.
46:33
Which is about. Yeah, that's that's and that's
46:36
the parallels. They've been made that and you
46:38
know what is interesting to give those readings?
46:43
I think the girls were pretty effective, you know.
46:46
Yeah, I like the sauce is quite a simple with me, blue means
46:50
good. That means my bath is very it's
46:53
very Angels and Demons or like that, that kind of imagery but
46:59
they're sort of like a bit nebulous on my own a bit
47:02
unknowable and very subtly tied into the time War Iraq as well
47:06
that they are, you know? This is all to say that pick
47:17
some the bit model stuff, if it's like recycling.
47:23
Yeah, that's a strong line. That isn't it.
47:25
It's like Recycling. And in a way that's just as dark
47:29
as dark water and don't cremate me, you know.
47:34
Yeah, I mean that's a little bit, I don't know.
47:37
Doctor should necessarily start being elf because obviously
47:41
that's up to a wide-ranging. Come.
47:45
Except talk to could do a whole book set with different versions
47:51
of the afterlife in it, and not need it for one.
47:55
That would be quite a responsible.
47:57
Take on it. Wouldn't it to give it a little
47:59
different readings and then say but there's also Millions more,
48:03
you know, well it's a big liability come out with
48:05
different origin stories but Lantus, yeah, we haven't done
48:12
that. Do that with a proper budget now
48:17
as well. That would be amazing.
48:19
Yes, Imagine me underwater Menace with my budget but that
48:25
that University bubbles. Wow.
48:28
And then the, all right side monster when we saw the
48:32
destruction of land Atlantis with just like one, Jabba light
48:35
pillar falling over. Yeah.
48:38
Yeah. I've been more so such a creepy
48:44
setting. It's a baby stranger?
48:47
Yeah. A lot because multi feet
48:50
sticking out underneath it. Yeah.
48:52
That's very legal gentleman. That is none.
48:54
Crimson Horror. Yeah, that I think that it
49:01
really shocked me in this was when Snead had his - that,
49:06
because he's been the comedy character until this point.
49:09
And I was like, Wow, that's dark.
49:11
They've taken the who's essentially the comic relief in
49:14
this episode. Murdered him and then possessed
49:17
him. Yeah, and it's given quite a
49:19
threatening performance. Something went against oh, Jack.
49:24
And you get that lovely. Beautiful moment where they hold
49:27
hands. Don't they say right?
49:29
We're going to face this together.
49:31
Yes. When we get to it, this is a
49:33
striking visual when it when it comes up, when it's about to
49:39
make herself before. Yes and but you know, one of the
49:42
reasons I like those so much is because what about compassion
49:48
and her, you know, always trying to make sure that people are
49:52
sort of expected on see in the end of the world.
49:55
We had. That would be M the pajama
49:58
tokoto. She has obviously that that
50:00
conversation Rafael. Oh yeah.
50:03
Yeah. And obviously, we've had that
50:05
with Plymouth She's old pals up with Mary Jo, doesn't she?
50:12
And I went to London. Yeah, I'm obsessed with.
50:16
I suppose it gets unstuck a little bit with the Dalek in
50:20
Dollar Tree, once he takes advantage of her doing that.
50:27
Where's Bruno Langley in that one isn't?
50:29
It was his name Adam? Yes it shimmers let him simmer
50:34
them won the advantage of of watching this episode.
50:38
Is that the end of the world this episode and Father's day or
50:43
two. The only free without glue my
50:45
Langley or no claw called young man.
50:49
Yeah and that is in fact that we haven't had to go there.
50:56
Yeah no yes so it's needs just been killed and I've had kids
51:02
what it's quite effectively, chilling performance because you
51:07
know it's a comedy of character 70s.
51:09
Determined for zombie, there's no doubt but that the actor is
51:14
going to handle that tone switch.
51:16
Well, but I think this actor definitely amazing.
51:19
I was quite subtle as well as now.
51:21
I think the makeup was really good.
51:22
The the the contact lenses. Yeah.
51:25
Great. And then it's just like That'll
51:27
sort of under the eye, isn't it? Yeah, that that idea I'm not
51:32
sure why but ghosts on going off to Charles Dickens of this one.
51:37
Let's all just about looking fabulous on my them give
51:42
themselves enough time to run out the back door.
51:45
Who did you see that young girl sheet of really ghoulish?
51:48
Yeah, I mean it's, you know, elderly people and children were
51:52
probably the most effective ones, I think those some B's,
51:59
some B's leaning up against those bars like that.
52:01
That's quite The young children. Yeah and it's very
52:05
claustrophobic but flapped and quite a small space.
52:11
But ghost comes out the door knocker bit like him Christmas
52:14
Carol, when Molly, not a knockoff Jack, but Marley's,
52:21
ghost son and cuddle. Obviously, we have mentioned is
52:29
quite the expert until seconds, which is probably why they
52:33
picked him for this adds a bit more authenticity to it, and it
52:38
does a great way even the Christmas carol.
52:41
No, he really does. He's clearly loving doing this.
52:44
Well, he loved it enough to come back for that little cameo in.
52:48
Yes, it's also. Oh, yeah, of course, of course.
52:55
And of course, the me place the beam.
52:58
So I'm going to be doing in this area.
53:00
So in the gift, yeah him and the person I'm always trying to cast
53:07
her in everything, Mary, and Martha,
53:40
The minutes are covered in separate closeup of the two of
53:43
them holding hands and, you know, people say this moments,
53:48
only leave start with the temple term as know.
53:51
I was in before you episodes up to this point, those down, quite
53:56
there member of the world in all three of them.
53:59
I think we're that close up shots at the doctor.
54:02
Move holding hands with different quite a suggestive,
54:07
like, yes, in Father's Day. When they have the argument, in
54:12
the flower, that plays out like a breakup scene Between Two
54:17
Lovers in a soap. It really does.
54:20
It's written and play that way and perfectly.
54:23
You know, when you're at the pier, what the idea of holding
54:26
hands is what very lazy. Yeah.
54:31
But this is a close up shot. It will begin.
54:34
Firing pin. Yeah.
54:38
Yeah. Comfortable know.
54:41
What's up with her Jesus? What did you feel like when they
54:44
were smoking? Come the end of the season?
54:46
I've been good. You know, same think probably.
54:53
What did you think then? When I reported trying to get
54:55
into bed with the eleventh doctor?
54:57
That's a bit much. I think that's all of the boil I
55:07
think because it's like a gasps creature as there's Nothing to
55:11
dislocate, actually the CGI held up quite well.
55:14
Yeah, it does miss it. There's a CGI effect in a couple
55:18
of minutes which is buns. Not hold water as well.
55:21
You mean explosion? Yes, those are fake fire.
55:27
That looks like a Microsoft Windows.
55:33
I think they use the same one, you know, where Martha's flat
55:35
goes up in the sound of drums. Yeah, let me fast-forward a
55:39
little more in the past and that's, you know, your belief or
55:43
episodes in that series. Like, you know, 42, you know
55:48
that the leuco sky around, is it something?
55:50
There's something like fluidic about, isn't it?
55:52
Looks like water running around. It's really no, yes, yes,
55:58
there's that. That Farley building's layout of
56:03
this is no depth to it is. It's just it's just What did you
56:12
think of that explosion on top of heinrichs in rows?
56:16
That look better. I thought obviously maybe
56:21
Jackie. Mmm.
56:22
Yeah into it. But I think those it's such a
56:27
different pace to this episode so it's all carries your along
56:30
them in. Your swept up in it.
56:32
Yeah. And you are because we had that
56:34
scene where Rose and Gwyneth got really Kind of close to each
56:38
other. This ending really impacts is
56:41
not just somebody sacrificing their life in someone, we really
56:44
care about, you know, in a shocking way.
56:49
Yeah. And it's obviously gives you
56:51
quite a lot of visual information for give you her,
56:55
you know, lighten the mapped and stuff like that, which you put
56:59
the pieces together and you don't have quite a dramatic way
57:02
for to die, that there is a bit staging that that long Han
57:08
upwards on the law looking very thoughtfully.
57:13
This term into the next poem, so all the endings Fab as well when
57:19
he goes off laughing his head off.
57:22
Yeah, a bit like Scrooge obviously and yes, you read a
57:28
bit 7. Yeah.
57:30
Yes. I would I love them at them.
57:36
You know, we've got obviously Charles confronting the doctor
57:39
earlier about, you know, the way of life is changed and now he's
57:44
quite happy with it because it's been like all artists.
57:49
Like I'm sure there's lots and lots of the babies and more gas
57:52
is of self. You feel that new spark of life
57:57
that makes you wanna Create with the course you know, having
58:02
Russell T, Davies come back now to Doctor Who he's probably felt
58:07
that that spark again. And you know, I've had my world
58:11
changed which is pretty big on the course, those kisses.
58:17
Charles, Dickens, which again, was I think my reaction was
58:21
quite similar to sort of what how modern is very modern.
58:29
Yeah, Billy Martin. And you know what, as well II
58:35
meant to mention earlier, and that is that thing that becomes
58:39
a cliché in is in the Shakespeare code.
58:42
And it's in the Agatha Christie episode as well, where you're
58:45
dropping references to their Works throughout.
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So it's because I want to talk about a Bleak House.
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That is what American being morning shows away.
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What was that be about? That was rubbish, stop it.
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But yeah. Actors, you know, snapped his
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job to sell something like that. And, you know, ecosystems olive
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oil spill, it very quickly and I notice I think there's a twin
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were there. Question it is got dialogue,
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it's not quite sure what to do but it's all rattles through it
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really, really quickly. I think he handles the humor way
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better than other people say he does.
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So I think he's a very yeah I think maybe in those maybe take
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some a bit and I feel I might leave an impression on people, I
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think people want to send commitments, you know, the dark
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war that sandwich, you know. Yeah, that is there.
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But that is way more multifaceted.
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One of my favorite sequences in the whole of serious one, you
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know, is in Boomtown. When Marcus Levine's climbing
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out the window and he does that little eyebrow raised and then
1:00:00
these are the screwdriver. Like keep bringing it up but
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it's so funny. He's so good.
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So tells them left Delirious, we've found out.
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He's about to die me year. I mean, look at the snow.
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He's kind of like Hollywood scaled.
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They've done. Oh, now we've gone from one end
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to the other wheel comes from a, you know, small character piece
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to the people. You know, they've been exploding
1:00:35
and planes crashing. And then you met and all of its
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Olsen, you know what, I'm going to say something.
1:00:41
Now, this quite controversial I adore areas of London and World
1:00:47
War 3. I think it's, you know, it's a
1:00:51
very fun one and then it's very different in tone and scope to
1:00:56
the unquiet dead, which is what you want, top 10 for B.
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And there's another cast member from Fortune.
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Well, no, they reckon that. Don't they, they recognized that
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it was supposed to be but Tosh Tosh covered for him?
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Yeah. would you feel if I That's all.
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Wow I still think it's quirky. But oh so that was completely
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delightful. I think.
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Yeah, it was false. I'm going to ask you to do the
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impossible. Now I'm you and I got a back and
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forth one at a time. Three reasons why somebody
1:01:38
should go and watch the unquiet dead right now, and you're going
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to go first. I mean well I probably started
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here we would do him free. You want me to talk about both
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of them for this team or with going to split them up?
1:01:56
Why don't you what? I'll start with Billie Piper
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about the nose is such a great companion.
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She's a sort of doorway and for the series and this is one of my
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favorite, those stories of instruments.
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Beautiful And she's got that compassion and that warm towards
1:02:19
people. She doesn't know which I think
1:02:21
is the E force or what Doctor Who should be.
1:02:24
Ideally, what should Pete and yeah, I think she succeeds in an
1:02:31
environment which, you know, she has to carry along younger fans
1:02:36
into historical more than Eve have to carry them into the
1:02:41
future story. Yeah, okay, so I'm going to tip
1:02:48
the wink to someone we haven't mentioned at all and it's very
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remiss of ours and that is the director Euros.
1:02:54
Lytton yes, of course who puts to get like this is technically
1:03:00
archive first Christmas special and I think it has more visual
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Flair than some of our Christmas specials.
1:03:10
It's beautiful. It's beautiful to look at.
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It's Pieased, he drives terrific performances out of all the
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actors. I think it's a very accomplished
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very polished piece of work. Yeah, okay.
1:03:23
Oh gosh. And another though, I'd split
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for this team up now, so I might as well go for a constant, you
1:03:33
know, my first talked about what to the whole way through and
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probably still to this day, my favorite just because of those
1:03:42
imbuing memories, I think he gets a lot more lives to his
1:03:46
performance in this story. You've got the humor both, you
1:03:51
know, this automatically mean that comes with me and mr.
1:03:54
Local celebrity - may have fun with the victims lessons is but
1:04:02
also he sells the gravity of the situation would gives, you know,
1:04:06
you've met your the nestene Consciousness and now he's met
1:04:10
the girls, we're piling on you know victims of the time war and
1:04:17
you know, despite the the girl sort of villainous intentions,
1:04:21
they are still dictums of the time.
1:04:23
Well, you know just as much as the The Daleks and darling.
1:04:26
It's you know and we're seeing all that pressure and that the
1:04:30
sponsibility Paul on his shoulders and and receiver, you
1:04:37
know, sometimes you can't eat. He thinks I'm a different plane
1:04:43
to the list of us and an aesthetically selves that quite
1:04:46
well in the sense that, you know, he says something like all
1:04:51
their confuse people's corpses and pissed.
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So I hold him and he sells it and you sort of by about idea
1:05:00
for the point where it's at man. Tim.
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Oh yeah. Because you know, recycle these
1:05:04
human bodies which if you think about it, that's quite a crazy
1:05:09
idea. You know, that's that's not what
1:05:11
the Cybermen, do, you know? I'm not is just sort of
1:05:15
suggesting oh, yeah. Minutes to what the Cybermen do
1:05:18
and youyou saw by that because they're constants, perform, it
1:05:23
doesn't seem as kind of grisly. He does it actually he almost
1:05:27
makes it sound like a plausible idea.
1:05:30
Yeah. And that performance sells it
1:05:32
because you know, a rest of that there might not be able to get
1:05:37
that, get that idea across, which is what this episode is
1:05:41
torment, do that? These were sort of conversations
1:05:44
but will be had when you travel through time and space and we
1:05:50
need that code throughout the you some knob usefully.
1:05:56
I'm going to save my second one. I think the slightly more adult
1:06:00
content in this is handled very well because it is.
1:06:05
I think it's kind of, just on the edge of what's acceptable,
1:06:08
but it stays within, you know, and so it's a point where I'm
1:06:12
going to go. Wow, that's that's strong.
1:06:16
Actually, no I think a kid could watch that and they're be okay.
1:06:21
Yeah, you know, I mean it's a typical more deaths in the same
1:06:25
place or pushing my limits and seeing what you can get away,
1:06:30
but you've worked with that being his whole career and will
1:06:33
continue to do. I'm sure they're down the third
1:06:38
one, then is a little bit more Tim morning, little bit more
1:06:41
rounded. I'm gonna go for be the impact
1:06:46
of Historical stories in the top 10.
1:06:50
No historical stories or the best way of seeing different
1:06:55
viewpoints that human history. And so getting increased
1:07:01
representation, you know, obviously, but not quite as much
1:07:05
in this episode I suppose. But some, although they are all
1:07:10
obviously about love than key, they created something in this
1:07:16
episode because you know, that's what.
1:07:17
Davis more capitalist someone and Carlo.
1:07:22
I believe you or slim as well. I think.
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But yeah, you know, you get things like those demons in the
1:07:30
Punjab and a lot of the actors in those stories might not the
1:07:35
internet. Would stop to story.
1:07:37
But oh, because it's, you know, an episode sitting there either.
1:07:41
Let's get some of some of these sorts of people in which I think
1:07:46
it is, Damn Collective Costas all register with kids.
1:07:53
The right is, it's not going to be boring and it's not going to
1:07:56
be just a history in time and and like I said earlier, you
1:08:02
know, we see the companions. So we feed the doctor, how you
1:08:10
sort of can't see the Companions and that is very well,
1:08:16
demonstrated in the The episode because it gives you a different
1:08:20
perspective on their Adventures, you know.
1:08:22
They're not just, we're not just having fun with them.
1:08:27
They make them incredibly important decisions for a bunch
1:08:31
of people whose whose lives had already been determined.
1:08:37
And you know, Charles Dickens its lifespan was already a
1:08:42
matter of historical fact, before the doctor the most him
1:08:47
Well, if you look at what the events in 2045 are obviously
1:08:51
still a bit in flux. As we see we will see that how
1:08:55
you dance and yes, oh yeah, long story short.
1:09:01
Yeah sort of uses best articles to push the boundaries and
1:09:05
storytelling and the the level of consequences.
1:09:10
But the told his team can have in the world.
1:09:14
So it's a standard. Doesn't it as well?
1:09:16
Fullness. Was going.
1:09:17
Yeah, would definitely. Yeah, my third one then it's
1:09:24
gonna be because I think if I was talking about her and
1:09:27
Torchwood or in Broadchurch, even in the stolen Earth, I
1:09:33
would be less kind because I think e Mi can overstate her
1:09:39
performance. It's a real example of you less
1:09:45
is more and she's giving it just a very, very subtle performance
1:09:49
in this. And I think it's really
1:09:51
beautiful. I think it's a character that we
1:09:52
fall in love with very quickly and if it isn't for the hard
1:09:56
work, she's doing the ending wouldn't have the impact that it
1:09:59
does. yay, it had been arrested performance, they wouldn't, you
1:10:05
know, you wouldn't have that sympathy fuck witness and yeah,
1:10:11
you know I mean Thought you know, maybe she was better to us
1:10:19
as Gwyneth and obviously she was has its claim on certain.
1:10:23
Stop is such an off before installing Earth.
1:10:26
But like you know of all the time slots in the episode, The
1:10:31
talked with subsidized, Bobby released my, you guys get that
1:10:36
all relevant? Yeah, yeah I'm obviously we make
1:10:40
reference to this story. It may make that connection but
1:10:47
yeah, you kind of forget that she melts.
1:10:50
I mean, busy Piper kind of looks like my age when if doesn't many
1:10:57
mores of the not be emails isn't the different woman but she's
1:11:02
doesn't look 18 or whatever they said.
1:11:05
When is when it is that performance?
1:11:09
I think zeldin. Yeah.
1:11:11
What Well, that was a complete Delight to talk to Jack.
1:11:17
Yeah, you're very, very good at this.
1:11:23
I'm sorry. And I will not have humbleness I
1:11:25
reserve that for myself. What I'd like to do though is to
1:11:31
is for us to tackle a longer plan.
1:11:34
Yes. Or if you're willing, Yeah,
1:11:37
that's what it is, there a particular area?
1:11:42
But you would want to talk about what is a particular story you'd
1:11:46
like to talk about? I mean, obviously I don't want
1:11:49
to but there's a few I haven't done still.
1:11:51
Oh, I'm not sure. I mean, hmm, that's quite a lot,
1:11:56
isn't it? It's 21, it's a trick.
1:11:59
Why was he? What should we determine that
1:12:01
off camera? Yes to spare buildings.
1:12:08
But just to say, once again, what a lie is to talk to you and
1:12:13
yeah, wait to do it again. Ah, thank you, Joe.
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It was the best of times. It was the worst part.