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Occulted Mysteries of the Book of Mormon · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, yeah, Okay, but yeah, Jewels, thank you so
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  Speaker 4: Sure. So hopefully you guys aren't hearing me coughing between.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, checking okay? Because you know we have the greatest
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  Speaker 4: air out here in Utah. Haha, No we don't. I
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  Speaker 4: am Hei. Do you love of the Unfiltered Rice podcast?
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  Speaker 4: and I love the church and I speak out about it.
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  Speaker 4: I'm stuck in Utah with like the worst pollution in
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  Speaker 4: the world right now, not the world, but at least
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  Speaker 4: in America. And I have done lots with Nick and
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  Speaker 4: the cult rejects. I'm gonna cult reject myself. It's just
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  Speaker 4: been a minute because we've all been running and hitting
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  Speaker 4: our like different little areas of expertise. So I'm happy
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  Speaker 4: to be back. We've done Mormon Mafia, We've done all
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  Speaker 4: kinds of episodes about that. I think we've done four maybe,
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  Speaker 4: and then another one just about Mormonism. So yeah, it's
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  Speaker 4: been awesome. Every time we get on here and talk,
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  Speaker 4: it's amazing because we get a different meeting of the minds.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like we were just talking about this and
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  Speaker 4: it's really important for that. I think. I think, I
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  Speaker 4: think you'll never know the truth if you don't look
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  Speaker 4: at the whole truth. Right, If we all have this
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  Speaker 4: like tunnel vision, we're never going to figure anything out.
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  Speaker 4: So that's why I love it when we can have
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  Speaker 4: a meeting of the minds. And hello to everyone out there.
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  Speaker 4: we do a lot of things like that. You can
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  Speaker 4: to be back, and as always get a kick out
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  Speaker 4: of Nick the Cardinal calling me the Mormons Layer.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, for real, between you and justin the amount
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  Speaker 1: of work you guys have brought to this channel on
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  Speaker 1: fucking Mormonism, I'm like proud to host. And the rule
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  Speaker 1: comes with recepts. All has receipts, and nobody's making anything.
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  Speaker 1: There's so much fucked up out don't need to make anything.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 4: The only thing we uh well that I conjecture anyway
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  Speaker 4: is side by side photos because like you can't prove bloodlines.
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  Speaker 4: But damn, I'll just say, sometimes you get some people
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  Speaker 4: that look like each other that aren't related. Weird.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why.
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  Speaker 4: So with that, today I have quite the show. And
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  Speaker 4: this show came out of absolutely nowhere for me, it
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  Speaker 4: was really weird. Is sometimes I get bored and I
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  Speaker 4: just do things like put in Joseph Smith and John D.
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  Speaker 4: Because I am related to John D. He is in
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  Speaker 4: my genealogy. He is one of my great uncles. Yeah yeah,
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  Speaker 4: well because I'm a medici anyway, Like it's all a mess,
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  Speaker 4: it's a hot mess. Express Yeah, Believe me, no one
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  Speaker 4: was more surprised than me because I slept through like
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  Speaker 4: all of this genealogy stuff that I thought wasn't important.
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  Speaker 4: But my grandma, she was a genealogy missionary. That's a
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  Speaker 4: real thing. Since I've talked to you guys, I found
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  Speaker 4: out they also pay people in county to enter the
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  Speaker 4: genealogy and for the Mormons. How fun is that you
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  Speaker 4: can earn like some amount of sense per hour to
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  Speaker 4: do that. So it's not like they're not putting the
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  Speaker 4: stuff in all the ways they can, so pretty wild.
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  Speaker 1: It's true, we have somebody who's related to.
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  Speaker 4: Start speaking, we can't get together and talk because it'll
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  Speaker 4: be a mess.
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  Speaker 3: Pallid mask are you?
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  Speaker 4: Oh boy, we'd be in trouble. But you know, there's
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  Speaker 4: a lot of things about Mormonism that are hidden. And
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna share my screen here because a
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  Speaker 4: picture's worth a thousand words. Today there's a lot of
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  Speaker 4: wordy pictures. But it's easier this way. It's gonna have
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  Speaker 4: like forever windows in just a second, but then it
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  Speaker 4: will fix out. But when I did this little search
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  Speaker 4: and I was like, hey, what about this and this?
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  Speaker 4: What what about these? Things together. What does this mean?
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  Speaker 4: And it didn't. I just thought I was just like
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  Speaker 4: googling for genealogy's sake, But this weird thing popped up.
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  Speaker 4: Have you guys heard about the Book of Madog.
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  Speaker 1: I've heard of it.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I've heard of mad Dog.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, that's probably There is.
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  Speaker 4: A book of mad Doog by John D. And I
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  Speaker 4: want people to look at these two things, because the
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  Speaker 4: top one is the Book of Mormon, and the bottom
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  Speaker 4: one is the Book of Madog. And I'm going to
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  Speaker 4: read it line for line. So the first line is
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  Speaker 4: from the Book of Mormon. I ne fi being born
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  Speaker 4: of goodly parents. Therefore I was taught somewhat in all
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  Speaker 4: the learning of my father. Okay. This one on the
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  Speaker 4: bottom is from John D. And it says, I'm mad Dog,
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  Speaker 4: born of goodly parents, was taught somewhat in the learning
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  Speaker 4: of my father, nevertheless having seen many afflictions. And then
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  Speaker 4: the top one also says, therefore I make a record
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  Speaker 4: of the proceeding of my days. He doesn't talk about
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  Speaker 4: as afflict but he did on the bottom for Madog,
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  Speaker 4: I make a recording of the day as a vagabond
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  Speaker 4: upon the face of the earth. Okay, look at those
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  Speaker 4: and tell me how similar those are concerning I need
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  Speaker 4: f I being born of goodly parents is a line
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  Speaker 4: that we all know from Mormonism. Okay, and and feel
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  Speaker 4: free to interrupt because I can't see you, guys, so
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  Speaker 4: anything you want to say, just let me know. But
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  Speaker 4: and I'm still coming in.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, yeah, no, you're good. Yeah, oh yeah, you
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  Speaker 1: have you have enough. Remember that one time, I think
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  Speaker 1: disconnected and you for so long and we were trying
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  Speaker 1: to tell like yo weekend.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, that's why every once in a while, yea. So
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  Speaker 4: I wished it would stop and let me still see
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  Speaker 4: you guys, but it won't. So these two things together
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  Speaker 4: are are a little shocking to me. I've never heard
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  Speaker 4: about anybody named mad Dog or as he's commonly spoke
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  Speaker 4: of as Madoc.
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  Speaker 3: I'm never like mad Dog, it.
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  Speaker 4: Does it sounds similar to that, But this gets into
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  Speaker 4: a really weird story. So this is a real story,
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  Speaker 4: and well at least the people. I don't know how
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  Speaker 4: real the actual things are that happened in history, but
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  Speaker 4: I dare say they probably were true. So this is
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  Speaker 4: Prince Mattoc okay or Madog as he's often spoke about,
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  Speaker 4: and honestly, at the end of the day, this legend,
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  Speaker 4: as we'll call it, it doesn't matter if it's true.
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  Speaker 4: It's going to tie some things together for us that
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  Speaker 4: a lot of people blame the Mormons for. Like I'm
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  Speaker 4: actually almost helping Mormons with this presentation, which is weird.
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  Speaker 4: But truth is truth, right, so we have to lay
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  Speaker 4: out all truth regardless. But they talk about this Welsh
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  Speaker 4: he was Welsh, okay, And you know they even used
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  Speaker 4: to have a sign up here, okay, in memory of
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  Speaker 4: Prince Mattoc, a Welsh explorer who landed on the shores
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  Speaker 4: of Mobile Bay, Alabama, in eleven seventy and left behind
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  Speaker 4: with the Indians the Welsh language. Now, don't forget about
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  Speaker 4: Joseph Smith and his reformed Egyptian because we're going to
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  Speaker 4: talk about it today. But this right here was taken down.
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  Speaker 4: Why why are they trying to hide things so hard?
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  Speaker 4: Like it's it's very strange. This goes into I know
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  Speaker 4: you guys love to talk about mounts. This goes into mounts.
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  Speaker 4: This goes into definitely the snake mounts, because Prince Maddock's
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  Speaker 4: sign was a dragon, which can often be you know,
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  Speaker 4: interpreted like a snake and so his signs and stuff,
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  Speaker 4: like all of his flags and everything are very indicative
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  Speaker 4: of these different things, and that there were some historians
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  Speaker 4: that actually explored this whole thing. But this ends up
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  Speaker 4: playing into the Mormon religion and the Book of Mormon
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  Speaker 4: even more importantly excessively, because apparently this Prince Maddoc or
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  Speaker 4: Madog who landed before Columbus, which causes a giant problem
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  Speaker 4: for America if this story is true, which is why
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  Speaker 4: I dare say they had to cover it up if
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  Speaker 4: it is true, which there's a lot of proof that
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  Speaker 4: it might be true, because there's this whole race of
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  Speaker 4: natives that became known as the man Dan that came
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  Speaker 4: out of this marriage between Prince Matdog and his new
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  Speaker 4: bride here in America. So they were known as the
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  Speaker 4: fair Welsh Indians. And you know this Coptic Welsh, this
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  Speaker 4: ancient language looks almost identical to the characters that we
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  Speaker 4: see Joseph Smith translating the Book of Mormon with. And
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  Speaker 4: I can't help but goa what like, Okay, the books
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  Speaker 4: are similarly written. We've got this weird situation. We've got
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  Speaker 4: green eyed or hazel eye or blue eyed Native Americans
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  Speaker 4: with fair skin and they're actually have you heard of
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  Speaker 4: the mooney the mooney Indians people? These are the Mandan Okay,
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  Speaker 4: and so something about the Mandan, the moon eyed people
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  Speaker 4: is what they called them. But the problem with it
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  Speaker 4: is they just say, well, they're just the moon eyed
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  Speaker 4: people because they only came out at night because of
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  Speaker 4: their fair skin and stuff. Well that's not exactly why.
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  Speaker 4: That's not the only reason why. And so this is
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  Speaker 4: another Mandan. And the Mandan eventually left the area, well
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  Speaker 4: not all of them, but some of them migrated up
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  Speaker 4: to North Dakota area, which there's a Mandan North Dakota.
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  Speaker 4: And if you're right there by Canada, I can't help.
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  Speaker 4: But wonder if they didn't go into the other tribes
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  Speaker 4: in Canada. And so I haven't found all of that
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  Speaker 4: yet because I was just getting to the point where
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  Speaker 4: we just explore this at a base and then we'll
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  Speaker 4: go from there. But this causes a lot of issues
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  Speaker 4: because if Spain didn't own America because Christopher Columbus came
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  Speaker 4: here and they made all these different treaties with not
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  Speaker 4: only the natives, but you know everything else that made
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  Speaker 4: America is America? Really the Queen's like the Queen of England.
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  Speaker 4: There's some problems with this whole story, and I can
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  Speaker 4: see why people are definitely not loving it. But of course,
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  Speaker 4: as always, the Mormons pop in there, like why the
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  Speaker 4: hell is a Mormon here? I don't know, but they're
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  Speaker 4: always there, right, So, early Mormon connections between Mormonism and Maddoc,
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  Speaker 4: who knew, primarily stems from LDS leaders like Brigham Young
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  Speaker 4: reportedly believed that Welsh settlements existed on the Rio Colorado
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  Speaker 4: and that the Hopi or the Mokei were the people
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  Speaker 4: and descendants of Maddoc. Also, okay, this is like interesting
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  Speaker 4: when we're talking about the pea of America and the
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  Speaker 4: different native tribes and what exactly occurred, and why Mormons
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  Speaker 4: were telling people go marry the natives and have children
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  Speaker 4: with them, why they didn't believe in race mixing at all. However,
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  Speaker 4: we both know that arian doesn't mean white, and so
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  Speaker 4: people get this, you know, confused, that's it. They're they're
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  Speaker 4: not a part of that, So it wouldn't be breaking
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  Speaker 4: their little rules back then. But this whole situation, we
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  Speaker 4: have to look at it and say who really owned
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  Speaker 4: who really owned it? To claim it? If you go
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  Speaker 4: there to claim something. It definitely has some kind of steak, right,
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  Speaker 4: Like that's the way it works. You go stick your
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  Speaker 4: flag in the ground, and you know it ties into
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  Speaker 4: the white Horse prophecy, which we're talking about this racial superiority. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: we're talking about certain clans that believe that they are
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  Speaker 4: Adocs Welsh settlers. Okay, And I've talked to you a
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  Speaker 4: little bit before about the Kingstons. Do you remember anything
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  Speaker 4: about them?
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm sure we'll talk trying to interrupt with this
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  Speaker 1: and maybe you even mentioned no, No, it always interrupts
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  Speaker 1: because I don't care, don't isn't there at some point
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  Speaker 1: I'm a little confused. I used to know it a
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  Speaker 1: lot more. At some point, didn't they believe? This is
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  Speaker 1: when they I think they went on their boats and
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  Speaker 1: they left and like didn't some of them they speculate
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  Speaker 1: might have went up through like Mexico and then like
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  Speaker 1: some man who came down? Was that?
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  Speaker 5: Now?
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  Speaker 1: What time was that? Like? What I'm getting at is
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  Speaker 1: could these people be due from that story? Because even
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  Speaker 1: going by that story, it's probably to Christopher Columbus if
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  Speaker 1: you believe, yes, is this if.
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  Speaker 4: Or is this around in the eleven hundreds. Nope, nope,
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  Speaker 4: I'll get the exact date. I think it was eleven
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  Speaker 4: seventy four. I just don't want to.
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  Speaker 1: That's you know, that's is that before they claimed that
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  Speaker 1: they came here already? Is that even early? That's what I'm.
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  Speaker 4: Uh okay, So he came once he got here in
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  Speaker 4: eleven seventy, So Maddoc was like here, they either spill it,
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  Speaker 4: mad dog. But it's like sounds like Madoc was according
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  Speaker 4: to folk or a Welsh prince who sell to the
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  Speaker 4: America is in eleven seventy over three hundred years before
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  Speaker 4: Christopher Columbus. So right right right right right, right right right, So.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe maybe I'm on So that's where I'm Maybe I'm.
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  Speaker 4: You're you're getting there. And and here's the thing, I've
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  Speaker 4: never heard of this before. Like and I I was
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  Speaker 4: a Mormon for like ever, right, Like I knew about
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  Speaker 4: the Vikings, and I knew about Canada. I knew about
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  Speaker 4: all of that, but I didn't know about this Madoc.
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  Speaker 4: I've never heard of this once in my life. But
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  Speaker 4: that's because it's more of a thing for people like
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  Speaker 4: in the older or the FLDS. Because the Kingstons are FLDS,
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  Speaker 4: but we do have some things that prove sort of
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  Speaker 4: that he was here, okay, And there's these two people
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  Speaker 4: that were Mormon, Alan Wilson and James Michael that tried
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  Speaker 4: to prove this, and they are gonna do a whole
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  Speaker 4: Springmyer on these people. They go to prison and nobody
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  Speaker 4: can trust them because they're crazy. But I looked it
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  Speaker 4: up and it said they just handled some painting they
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  Speaker 4: weren't supposed to do or something. It was weird, but
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  Speaker 4: they hardcore went after these people that were trying to
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  Speaker 4: prove all this, and they were doing a pretty good job.
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  Speaker 4: I've watched about thirty different videos. I've read books about
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  Speaker 4: this at this point, like it's crazy, but I mean,
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  Speaker 4: we will never know what history is because they're gonna
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  Speaker 4: hide it forever. But we do know this. They have
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  Speaker 4: Chevron's circle crosses, awen signs, national banner, brass bracelets and
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  Speaker 4: epitaph stone and elegy alphabet and jaw bones supposedly of
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  Speaker 4: Prince Maddock. So the Smithsonian ended up with it and
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  Speaker 4: they won't give it up. And these guys that I'm
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  Speaker 4: telling you about that were pushing to have it done,
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  Speaker 4: like the DNA all of a sudden end up in prison.
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  Speaker 4: Like I just find that kind of a little weird.
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  Speaker 4: They do this to a lot of people right here.
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  Speaker 4: If you get annoying, I didn't do it. I've not
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  Speaker 4: broken any laws. So you get a little annoying they
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  Speaker 4: kind of try and put you in prison. So I
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  Speaker 4: you know, the whole thing about it is, like I said,
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  Speaker 4: this was like a narrative of John d he wrote
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  Speaker 4: the book. But when we look at it and we know,
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  Speaker 4: you know, this whole discovery in Alabama. Don't forget where
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  Speaker 4: the Nazis went by the way anyway, and the Welsh Indians,
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: well it sounds kind of crazy, right, there's no proof,
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: but I'm going to give you a little because the
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: funny thing about me is I'm a gigantic litmus test
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: and guess what My most prominent heritage is Welsh.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: Me too, I'm Welsh's ye.
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: So, and it's strained out in the middle of like nowhere, Utah,
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: like what I mean, Okay, Yeah, it's weird, a little weird.
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: And then I have this Aboriginal Canadian. I mean, I
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: have these things that they're kind of talking about, which
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: mine is nick Mac. But I'm just saying if they
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: went up through North Dakota, I mean, the tribe's most
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: likely mixed.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Somebody actually mentioned Mick Mac maybe with this.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: Mick Mac is very interesting with this, and I want
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: to flush it out more before I bring in another
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: tribe because I don't want to like upset anyone. But
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: but the tribes are going to come up again and again.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: We know one thing in Utah. We have four corners.
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: It's it's a really important place for the natives, right.
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: Plus we have you know, the missionaries that we're actually
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: going out and doing Native American work. We have them
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: learning their you know, how to speak. And we have
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: this tie which is exactly where I want to go next.
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: So perfect. We have this Moore's Indian Charity School, which
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: was really Dartmouth. Okay, there's no separation between the two.
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: It is like the prep school to become a preacher
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: to the Native Americans. Okay, that's what this is. And
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: guess who went there. Well, you know, Joseph Smith came
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: from a bunch of hillbillies that just worked the ground
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: and didn't know how to read or write, but for
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: some reason got in his brother to this fancy prep school,
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: and they actually lived there on the premises of Dartmouth
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: for like a while. I think it was like over
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: five years or something. So we've got Eliezer Wheelock who
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: created this school with who a Native American like Samson Okham,
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: And so Samson Oukham is really important. He's going to
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: go into places like Oneida later and all of this stuff.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: This gets very interesting. He was one of the first
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: that ever became like a preacher that was a native
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: in that area, and so he actually went on a
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: mission to create the money for this school and everything.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: But also Thomas Jefferson and various missionaries were actively searching
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: for these Welsh Indians. So this is like it's not
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: just like a wise tell and nobody's doing anything about it.
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: This is like serious, people are running all over trying
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: to find these people. And so obviously it means something.
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: And we know that history is a piece of our time.
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: You know, back in the day, if you told me
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: Christopher Columbus was a bad guy when I was like nine,
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: I would have told you no way, because I yeah, right,
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: like no he yeah. School. So we've got that here
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: as well. Right, We've got the school telling us and
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: not only that we have these other accounts like the
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: Chronica Welly written by Humphrey Lloyd. This is the earliest
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: surviving account that claims Maddock visited America. John D used
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: this unpublished manuscript to build his legal case for the Queen,
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: Queen Elizabeth I and make a treaty, you know, asserting
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: her right to North America Tara Florida based on Maddock's
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: eleven seventy voyage. So this is going to be a
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: huge problem if this, if this were real, Like, I mean,
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: clearly John D is going hard in the paint for
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: all Lizzie girl. I mean, there was already some weird
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: stuff there or whatever. I mean, he's trying his best, right,
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: And I'm just saying, like, it's not just that. Here's
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: another one. The history of Cambria, the principal navigations, all
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: of this stuff like goes back to this Maddock and
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: it matters. Why does it matter? Well, because just like
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: I showed you that book, right, that book is very
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: similar to one another. So if the book is similar
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: to the Book of Mormon enough to where you can
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: kind of hear it in those two side by sides,
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: and it is very similar, we get to something else.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: Have you ever heard of the Solomon Spaulding manuscript? M hm, okay,
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: well the saw no, okay. So the Solomon Spalding manuscript
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: is something that became extremely important and I still say
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: is very important for the Mormons because they they kind
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: of fight against it. I can't find the Solomon's Falding slide,
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: so just don't look right now. So Solomon Spalding is
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: somebody that they say Joseph Smith actually stole the Book
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: of Mormon from Okay, that he basically, you know, went
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: to this area and the guy had a copy of
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: this book and he just stole it. Maybe I didn't
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: put it in there, but Solomon Spalding also went to
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: guess where you went to Dartmouth and guess when, at
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: the exact same time as everybody else, including Stephen Mack
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: Junior who attended Morris Charity School, i e. Dartmouth Indian College,
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: as well, at the same time as his cousin Hiram,
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: who is Stephen Mack junior, that is Joseph Smith's mother's
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: brother's son. So we've got all these people, and of
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: course it's going to sound the same if if Saalimon
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: Spalding went at the same time as Stephen Mack Junior
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: and as Hiram Smith, and they're all family and buddies,
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: you know whatever. The class load is not very big.
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: They're going to learn the same thing, right, Like, come on,
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: they're going to learn the same narrative. It's why some
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: people will say you plagiarized my channel because you said
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: that word for word. I'm like, it's a book, weirdo. Yeah,
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: it's going to sound the same. Like that's like that's
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: like going to church and having the pastor say a
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: sermon that another pastor said and say that's plagiarist, Like
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: that's plagiarism, you know, because he read that verse. No,
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: that's stuff. Oh it happens.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: I've seen people use like a program to kill like
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: you that book and like one person claimed the other
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: person kind of bit them off. But it's just like, no,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: you just both not.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah exactly you've read the book, but stupid, yeah exactly,
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: go take a nap. I mean it's like, what are
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: you doing. But when we talk about this, we have
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: to understand that Dartmouth at this time or Dartmouth whatever,
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: however you say it. All these people from Joseph Smith's
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: family or here. Remember they're supposed to be dumb farmer's
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: they're not supposed to be reading and writing and all
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: the things. But Hiram was actually really brilliant, and he
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: is actually teaching Joseph Smith because Joseph was sick at
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: this time, and it says so where does it say so?
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: In his mother's book it says she had Hiram teach
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: Joseph And what was he actually going to school for?
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: For the preacher thing and a teacher? So okay, he's
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: going and taking all these lessons to Joseph Smith. So
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: I don't think he stole crap from Salomon Spalding. And
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: I also don't think they didn't see angels just because
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: people want to say that. No, remember where we're getting
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: some of this curriculum from. Who's come up John De?
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: If they are teaching John De's curriculum for the Welsh,
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: don't you think they might be teaching them some other
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: stuff too? If they're in this esoteric folk magic y
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: time where they're becoming preachers, maybe they learned how to
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: channel because they're martinists.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Like, let's be real, I will say if they are,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: if they are kind of basing their stuff over there,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: like all of them. I would just assume, just like
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, any other kind of order that's associated with
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: the person would also like suggest whatever that person was
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: into would be worth studying as well, you know what
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. So they are going to say.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: Exactly, yeah, And we know that religion at this time
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: can be a lot different than nowadays, a lot more.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: They call it as it is. Right, they'll say, oh,
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: you're a mystic, or you're a new ager or but
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: back then, Christian meant a lot of different things, you know.
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: And so we have to understand about who's teaching these kids,
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: who's teaching all these people? Right, well, let's meet one
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: of them, doctor John Smith. This is Joseph Smith's father's cousin.
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: That's right. He's the first professor of Dartmouth. It just
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: gets so good. Yeah, he's a master of ancient languages.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: But remember none of them can read and write, don't worry,
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: all right, Theology, philosophy, Newtonian science. He is the board trustee.
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: He is the pastor very important of Whitechapel. He is
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: the college bookstore proprietor. He is also the college librarian.
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: He has developed the curriculum for Greek, Latin, Hebrew, Childaic, Syriac, Asyriac,
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: and Arabic and Coptic. Okay, but nobody can read and write.
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: He's a master of languages. He's a polyglot. And don't
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: forget he's a chaplain of Hanover Masonic Lodge.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Weird high up there. If you didn't know how to
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: read them, write.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: Right, it's a it's a bunch of blood. And yeah,
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: it's lies. It's lies on lies on lies, and and
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: I think it's funny because this shows it in black
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: and white. It's like, yeah, exactly, exactly, who knows what's
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: going on? And when we talk about John d right,
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: we've got him involved in what will rumors are a
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: Rosicrucian order, right, what's the Rosicrucian order called that he's
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: suspected of being in the zion Itch brotherhood. Where have
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: you heard that word in Mormonism before? Like Zion.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Everywhere?
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so the Mormons are in love with Zion, just
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: so people know, and yeah, they love it. And so having,
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: as he said, having existed as the Order of Zion
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: for centuries, with their headquarters in the village of where
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: more Mont prmounts More Mon, Belgium, m R M A
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: W N Mormon. It's so much fun. I didn't mean
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: to find this and it made me giggle so bad.
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: I was like, this is great, this is great. Okay.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: So they claimed to hold the Malkezidic priesthood. I bet
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: they did. And oh, absolutely, that's the high priesthood, you bet. Yep.
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: All the elders that ever have gotten married in the
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: temple or gone on missions hold the Malkezdic priesthood hundred percent.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that's all. You know, that's the
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: priesthood that you see in the Old Testament as well.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: I've been telling people and and this is thirty two.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: Jacob is initiated into a priesthood. You know, he finds
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: the eye of God and then he meets his brother
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: in thirty three. I mean it's the Masonic coding is
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: right there if you can read it. But yes, he
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: does go to the melchiz A deck and you know,
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: the order of the flame and all that stuff which
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: we've been we dived into on Patreon for a couple months.
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: So absolulutely correct. And do you know what the I
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: know you speak about this So I don't know if
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: you know this, but do you know what the Mormons
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: call their god no Elohim? Okay, so yeah, I definitely
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: know what we'll talk about when you come on or
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: vice versa.
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: Whatever, we got to talk about some ello, I will.
• 30:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: They claim to be Christian, and this is my problem.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: I don't care. Look, I don't care what you want
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: to do. Like, if you want to go be naked
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: nymphs in the forest, go do it. But stop lying
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: to people.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Okay that's yeah, that's what makes me weird. It's like
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: you're hiding something exactly.
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: Well, they're taking little grandmas that believe they're just going
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: to heaven, and they're taking all these nice people that
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: just think they're not that other people. Hey, naked nymphs
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: can be nice too. I'm not saying they're not nice. Yeah, yeah,
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying that they're taking this, they're making porch Mormons, right,
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: and they're doing it for a reason, because you have
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: to have the porch Masons or the porch Mormons or
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: the porch whoever to hide the ship that you're doing,
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: because you can't be going doing woo wu stuff on
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: Saturday or Thursday or whatever day you're going and hide
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: it very well if other people aren't there, right, it's
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: easier if people are there to have.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Dinner and the organization in the face of the police,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: you know what you do.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: Exactly, and they've got to hide it. So why would
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: they want to stop being called Mormons? Well? What if
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: it's because they don't want to be associated with the
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: headquarters in the village of Mormon. Yeah, and Jim the
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: Zionautic Brotherhood. So look, I don't know. I just know
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: this fits with that a whole lot. I know that
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: the Native Americans are very critical for the Mormons, and
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: I know some other things that's very interesting that we're
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: going to get to. And and it just doesn't make
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: any sense on what they what they say, it is
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: right on. It's on its face, like we know that,
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: you know, everybody rolls their eyes when we say Priory
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: of Zion.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: We know, my god, I'm just looking that up right now.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: I just clicked on it.
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, And which did what you know,
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: sold their monastery in Mormont or it's a pronounced Mormon
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: because it's French. Don't put the tea on Belgium and
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: moved to America. Okay, I can't prove this. Okay, this
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: is a narrative that they say happened. How would we know,
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I showed you all the books that
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: have mentioned all the things. I can't prove this, but
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: it is out there. And so you know, when David
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: Livingston came on just barely and we went down this
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: whole narrative, and I don't know that he loved me
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: interrupting that. I had to do it because I was like, look,
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: I know you want to say these things like he's
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: got a very prepared you know, kind of like Gary Wayne.
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: He likes to do like in a row sort of.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: But I like to ask questions, you know, and especially
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: about Mormons, because if you have all this information and
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: I can't ask you anything, that's not going to help me,
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: you know. So it was amazing, Actually, it was just amazing.
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: And I think that's the thing that people miss is
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: we shouldn't just let the present or present. That's why
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: I always say, please interrupt me, because we're never going
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: to have a real conversation and I won't know your
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: knowledge and you won't know his knowledge. We all have
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: to talk, which isn't what they want us to do.
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: That's why we have no philosophers anymore. So yeah, so
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: there's that. And like you're talking about, you know, silly
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: things on some really big podcasts that gets paid a lot, right,
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: like a fancy you know how I'm talking about. He's bald,
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: he's short and little, I don't know whatever. You know
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: these famous, famous people that used to run things like
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: eat bugs and I'll pay money. Great, Okay, look, I'm
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: not gonna shame anybody. I think that's fun time. I
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: used to watch it religiously because I thought it was
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: crazy because I would not eat a hissing cockroach. No no, no, no,
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: no no. And so I'm just saying, like that's fun.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: But like this stuff, nobody lets people do this with
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: with more important things or like old history or religion.
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: What do they tell you don't talk about religion? Right?
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: And politics? And why don't they want you to talk
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: about that? Because you just might find you have more
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: in common with the guy you thinks an idiot, you know,
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: so they can divide you and steal your loose and
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: we do this forever in eternity. And that's not my favorite.
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I just don't like that I don't. I
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: don't think that's fair. I don't think that's fair that
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: as a Mormon of all my entire life born into it,
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: I wore Masonic underwear and I didn't know. I was
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: the last to know, and it was on my body,
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: like I didn't even know what that meant. That is
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: why I speak out. It isn't because I hate Mormons.
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: I don't even hate the Mormon Church. I just think
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: you're unfair. You're unfair.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Do you know what I think is really like? Well,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: I actually think it's like really screwed up and twisted.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Did you get married in the temple? Yes? All right,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: so like even then you probably know it's probably no
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: more now since you're looking at this stuff. When I
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: call Crusher on it, he was talking about when he
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: got married in a temple, he said, near the end,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: straight up Masonic shit everywhere yep, saying exact symbolism and everything, yep.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: And the last thing you do and the last like
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: word you get, you know, when you get your passwords
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: and everything, when you're going through the regular ceremony, not
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: the marriage part, but the taking out your endowment is
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: straight up from a grimore. It's witchcraft. And if people
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: don't believe me, put in health in the navel, marrow
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: in the bones and look that up on a grimoire.
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: You'll find it. You'll find your answer. Put in LDS
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: health in the navel, marrow in the bones grimoire.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: Jacob gets touched right there on his bone, right right,
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: and he names the place Pinniel. So what.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's thirty two going into thirty three. It's
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: it's a clear initiation absolutely.
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: So it's unfair, right, like, this is my whole thing
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: with the Mormon Church, isn't It's not really that, it's
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: not really about Oh I don't like the more, I
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: don't like any religion personally, but I pick on them
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: because there I was one, Like what am I supposed
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: to do? This is what I know the most about.
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: I'm stuck here in Utah, Like come on, guys.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's like I could easily pick on the OTO
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: because I was in.
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: It, right exactly, Yeah, you know the most, Like it's
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: just it, it is what it is you And and
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: the last part of this, it says, where did they
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: go when they supposedly left this Mormon Belgium? Right? They
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: went to if Frauda Commune near Lancaster, Pennsylvania. That's very interesting.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Maybe they started those people.
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: Right, This is very interesting, right, and so spiritualism, Jane leads,
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: I mean all kinds of stuff here. First of all. Also,
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: you know the boys were required at Dartmouth to go
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: to church services multiple times a day. Joseph's cousin, I
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: guess he would my cousin of his grandpa, which is weird.
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: But whatever, they went to this Church of Christ. There's
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: a whole bunch of theology out there. If you want
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: to look up Johnny Smith, professor at Dartmouth, you can
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: read them for yourself. There's stacks and stacks and stacks
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: of them. They're very dry. Good luck. I read some
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: of them, and some of them I was like, oh
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: my gosh. But a lot of the stuff we see
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: now is very similar to the stuff we saw then.
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: But isn't it interesting Christ? Oh? Of course, because the
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: Church of Christ it's gonna.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: Come off of It turned them off like it made
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: him an atheist basically, But it's going.
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: To go into what Quakers and you know, just witness
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: and everywhere. It goes everywhere, And why wouldn't do that?
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: All?
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: Right? Because like Crowley was brought up by Quakers, and
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: I think he was actually uh, I think he was intrigued, Oh.
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: One hundred percent. And what did he call? Joseph Smith
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: in the footnotes of the Moon Child book, he said
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: he was a moonchild. Isn't it funny that I just
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: told you? What did I tell you? Those people were
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: called moon eyed people? Right now, I want you to
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: look at my eyes, and I'm going to show you
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: some other pictures too. But when I smile, my eyes
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: do a really distinctive thing. They look like they turn
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: into little they do. And and people say, oh, you know,
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: this was about them not being able to see outside
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: or whatever. But look at the eyes of some of
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: the Mormons I show you, and they have a look
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: they just do. And these people are very important. We're
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: going to talk about them soon. But you can kind
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: of spot a Mormon. And when you look at these
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: people that they say, look at her eye shape, See
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: how it turns into a moon. This is the first
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: This is one of the first ones that was supposedly
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: mad Oxbride. So, okay, Joseph Smith always said he was
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: from a royal lineage okay period. He said that he
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: stood by that he never gave up on that, okay,
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: And it was kind of curious because then they made
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: it like an allegory like no, no, that just was
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: because blah blah blah. They always have some kind of whatever,
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: you know, And even William Clark noted that the man
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: Dan like these are real explorers and stuff that are
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: saying about this, so obviously this can't just be a conspiracy. Okay,
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: I literally have a ton of Welsh blood. We're looking
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: at all of this stuff like, it's not just me.
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: The first language that they turned into the Book of
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: Mormon after it was done in English is Welsh.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Hi.
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: Why because it makes sense because their people might notice
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: something that we don't. And it wasn't just one. But
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: look at this now, this is a fun one. It
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: doesn't go to Welsh, but it is related through Irish Royalty.
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: This is from the Church's study guy. This guy, Hugo Perego.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: This guy is hired by the church. He's a true
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: blue Mormon. He was hired to link Smith's paternal y
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: chromosome and he did to the Nile of the Nine Hostages,
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: which is Irish royalty from the fifth century, suggesting an
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: e for my royal Irish root via adoption or migration
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: myss So Kingston fundamentalist amplify this as preserving the holy
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: bloodline of Judah and Manassa, echoing what the Marivingian myths
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: divine kingship? What did I tell you? Who did I
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: tell you I was related to? Before we got on here?
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: The Medici's Marie Antoinette like, it isn't to brag that up.
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: It's because of this, it's because this stuff they say
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: is just this crazy story of the Mormons. Then how
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: come not just me, so many other Mormons that I know, cousins, friends,
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: how come we all have this certain thing? Why are
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: we all almost the same? And people just say in breeding? Okay,
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: that's a nice Okay, sure, I mean yeah, but it's weird.
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: And they literally have traced this back and this R
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: one B M two two two. And for anyone that
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: looks into Sephyr's work, you guys will see that this
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: is not that big of a grouping. Okay, So when
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: you look at a grouping, you might say, well, everybody's
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: probably in that line or this, Like, no, this one's
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: not like that. So, I mean, here's some links for
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: you guys. But the Kingstons decided to do a very
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: funny thing. And this is the Kingstons. This is one
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: of the main ones that started it. They're flds. They're fundamentalists,
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: and they look a lot different. They have the eye
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: the eye shape, but they kept their bloodline here. They
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: didn't mix with other people, and they they started doing
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: egypt marriages, like marrying their sisters and their aunts and
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: weirdo stuff. Maybe not sister, but it is close. They
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: do it to this day and they get away with it.
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: Why because they made a lot of money. They got
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: a whole bunch of money and they hired a geneticist
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: so they don't marry too inter closely. And they still
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: do this to this day. And they started something called
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: the Davis co Op. This is another Kingston. And you'll
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: notice one thing that they have that is a little
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: bit different than typical Mormons, or I would say more
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: fair looking and not their skin, but their hair and
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: their eyes. But the Kingstons are known for having a
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: darker hair and a darker eyes, but a very fair skin,
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: which is very Welsh of them. If you guys look up,
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: you know Welsh trades, Irish trades, it's a little bit
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: interesting there. And you know, this is some of the
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: stuff that Prince Maddock brought with him to America, supposedly.
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying, I think they had some friends that
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: started a war once and maybe tried to figure this
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: out too, I don't know. Yeah, so, and and here's
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: the thing, if that's really what's going on, yep, it is.
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: And they actually used that sign. He used that sign
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: and it was it was like a good thing for them.
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: And as as it is, that was turned into something
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: completely different with the war. But we know that that
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: wasn't originally a bad thing, right.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, means so many different things in the ancient world
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: in the middle. That's the representation for the sun. You
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: see that in norse Pa.
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: The templars, right yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: I had Robbie marks On. He said some very fascinating
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: things about the templars, the early templars especially or like
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: castrating themselves and yes, weird shit. So but you know
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: they did that, they took and they used them right
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: for in these certain rituals and for but uh, you
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: know these we know how ancient these symbols are, and
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: that it's the intention behind.
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: The use of it well, and the thing is is
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: Joseph Smith says he's directly from the line he's a
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: mare of Ngium. He says that he is from like
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: literally Jesus Christ.
• 44:43
  Speaker 8: One thing just real quick. So we did say and
• 44:47
  Speaker 8: I thought very very much of a medicine wheel.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: And I thought, you know, kind of like a medicine
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: wheel also, and something else that I didn't notice. Are
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: you talking about Mick Mack? And uh? I know for
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: a fact their their medicine wheel has been reused by
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: occultist I've seen it on fucking books.
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: And same with our star with the midmac.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: And literal symbol on the front cover of it.
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: Yep, yep, and the eight pointed star.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what it was. It was the
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: eight point in star. Yep. Yeah.
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: Well, they believe, they believe in you know, this whole
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: thing of Skota and Tamorrow Teffee often identified as Tia Tefie.
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: So these are the two. This is the story for
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: these Kingston brothers. Okay another daughter of Zetekiah, and they
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: describe her as a princess who fled to Egypt before
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: settling in the British Isles, where her descendants supposedly founded
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: the Scottish royal line. Okay, so this is what they say,
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: and this is the Mormons story. If you talk to
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: f LDS, no normal Mormon is going to know this
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: or tell you this, And if they do know it,
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: they're still not going to tell you it. So Joseph
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: Smith believed, and we all get this thing called a
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: patriotical blessing when we're in our teens, somewhere between thirteen
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: and eighteen. Okay, And usually I mean, I guess, if
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: you don't want it, you don't have to get it.
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: But typically that's what you do. We go to the
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: patriarch and he tells you what line you're from, whether
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: you're from the line of Manassa or if you're from
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: the line of Ephram. And they just do this by
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: the laying on of hands. There's no real genetic key
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: stuff behind it. But also they have all the records,
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: so I mean, whatever, they probably already looked it up.
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: As my guess, I was from the line of Ephram.
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: But Joseph Smith himself was from both. He said he
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: was the perfect creation. He was from the line of
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: Judah Okay, the Manassa line and from Ephram from Mary
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: Magdalen because they say that Jesus went on and had
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: children and had three wives, so to Mary's and Amartha.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: I don't know the truth, but I do know the
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: Templars believed in this, okay, and we get these Templar
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: stories that continue and live true. All of this stuff.
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: I'm telling you, guys to even this day, to the
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: Kingstons who still are inbreeding because of this.
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: Literally talked about this last night with the Three Wives
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: and and have you ever read the a uh, well,
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: what's her name, Ashiana Dean? I think that's her name,
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: the Voyagers?
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: I haven't.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: Have you ever heard of him?
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Nick? I know what you're talking about.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's it's. It's this chick who is channeling It's.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: It's it. I find it a little silly because it's
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: star seed stuff, but some people are really into it.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: I find it very interesting because she talks about she
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: brings up that there's, uh, in our realities, there were
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: three different christ And so you see the three wives
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: and these three I don't know, it's just another uh three.
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: Have you seen the three headed vases that show this?
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: I have not, so see there's another one. You see
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: you see this number so much. You know, the three
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: days in the Tomb, which goes into so many other
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: initiatory schools, right, which could be physical the initiator are
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: are you know, uh, symbolic?
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: Do you know what Joseph Smith was doing at an
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: initiatory he set up his own initiatory school. I want
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: to know what it was called. What school of the
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: prophets heard that before? Because I know you probably have
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: you do.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: Was they would take this ancient knowledge and they would
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: run with it. They would create their own religions, kind
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: of you know, kind of Crowley and so many other
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: people after him, even people before him, you know. But
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: you had mentioned earlier something about Joseph Smith and his
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: Egyptian High Egyptian hieroglyphs.
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: Yes, so that Joseph Well that's in my usual original presentation.
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: I can pull it up at the end though and
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: show you because they we do have a little clip
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: of it, and it's a very mixed between. I would say,
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: you know, they call it reformed Egyptian, but really it
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: is ancient native like their language, mixed with you know,
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: if you look at the Mickmax, if you look at
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: the man Dance, if you look at any of these people,
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: it's almost identical. And then you mix it with the Anochian,
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: it's almost the same. Okay, it's very similar. And Joseph
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: Smith did not translate the Book of Mormon like with words.
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: He translated it into these symbols, so most people don't
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: know that he channeled it.
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: He met the angel and he got do you think
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: that the Golden Book was something that was kind of etheric?
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: I one hundred percent believed that Joseph Smith spoke to something.
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: I don't think it was an angel, just like John
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: d because why when did he get the plates? Eventually
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: took a long time after I'll tell you when after
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: his first born of his father's died, Alvin, after they
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: tried to bring him back. In my opinion that they
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: did dig him up, and that is in the newspaper.
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: And I do have a clipping of that. We know
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: about skull and bones with that, and we'll get into
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: that later. We know that we also know it was
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: he performed a quarter moon ritual, which I know. I
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: can tell you guys just that because you'll understand it
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: for those out there. I mean, he did this on
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: the fall equinox. This isn't something that a folk magic
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: person would do. And I'm no magician and I don't
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: know everything about magic, but I do know how to
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: look things up. Okay, people are coming at me right
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: now because I can read a book. Look, I'm not
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: a magician, and I don't pretend to know everything about magic.
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: That's not me. I do know enough to know what
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: it is he was doing. That's what I need to know.
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: You know, that's my context. And I don't need to
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: be a super magician to understand that because I have
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: you know, books and you can look things up. But
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: it definitely wasn't folk magic. That you don't slit the
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: throat of an animal. You don't, you know, talk about
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: your first born s dying. You don't do certain things
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: that they were doing, treasure hunting, all of this weird
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: stuff that's in all of the different testimonies from neighbors.
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: You wouldn't do that if you're just practicing folk magic.
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: That's like, you know, just folks or stuff. That's like,
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: I'm not discounting it. Yeah, I'm not discounting.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: So do you think that the golden plates were physical
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: or was it something more?
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: I wonder, I wonder if it ever was. He says
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: he gave them back to the quote unquote angel. Yeah,
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: the if they were real or not. I mean he
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: said he gave them back, So he said they were real.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: But all about the Egyptian hieroglyphics, and also both had
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: the emerald tab and alchemy green is you know that
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: represents the alchemical process. Well, there's many colors, but green
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: is is a big color. So the golden tablets would
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: be the finalized product of the alchemicals. So what if
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: he received somehow this uh text like an updated text
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: from the angel or what the.
• 52:15
  Speaker 5: Deity whatever it is interdimensional hermes. Uh, you know, here's
• 52:21
  Speaker 5: the thing, that's what it was. I mean that I well,
• 52:24
  Speaker 5: where did the Book of.
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: The Law come from? Where did the Book of the Law.
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: It's the same thing, exactly the old channel.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: If you think about it, it's old channel ship, yeah
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: it is.
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: And and what about scientology, what about that channel? And
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: every one of them came Yep, every single one of
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: those was like doing some kind of sexual thing, because
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: we know what powers things up, let's right. Or with
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: Joseph it was polygamy, or with Mohammad it was a
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: child bride polygamy or with you know, even the Jehovah's
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: witnesses the same thing. Angel came, but with specifically Joseph.
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: I think he was a little more honest, and so
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: was Curly, the two people that were the most honest.
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: I hate to say this, but it's true because they
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: said they were an angel. But they also said, well,
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: Curly didn't say he thought it was an interdimensional which
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: is what I believe. But also Joseph said this angel
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: had lived once before. That's not an angel. Angels aren't alive.
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: They never were alive and had a body here. That's
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: not how it works. Angels are angels. We can become
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: like the angels, but we were never We aren't angels.
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: We can have fallen angels, we can have interdimensionals, all
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: that stuff. I e. The elohem, but I don't believe
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: that you can ever have I mean we're talking unless
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: they're resurrect. I mean, they do play with necromancy. But
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying he was alive once on this earth.
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: Joseph Smith said that himself, Moroni was alive. He was
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: a Native American that became white. That's what he said.
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: Oh sure, so he never said you know anything else.
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: He said, he lived and he was part of this tribe,
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: and he came here to talk to him. So, you know,
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: when we look at all of that and he calls
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: his god Eloheim, I think he's really telling us the truth.
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: I just think people don't want to hear it. And
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: then Brigham Young like changed it. And there was a
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: reason for that too. I believe he was killed, yeah,
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: like by them, by his own people. So he said
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: the quiet part out loud. And you just can't do
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: that in magic or in other things like and if
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: you're in the club still, they're gonna come, you know,
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: if you leave better off. But I'm just saying he
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: was still in the club. You know, you can't just
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: can't just be doing stuff. But there was a lot
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: of things that we see here. You know, all these
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: different stone fortifications. We see the Cherokee and their oral histories.
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: They talk about the moon eyed people, they talk about
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: the Welsh builders. We've got stone things that do not
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: make sense, stacking stones out in the middle of America,
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: and we've got all these snake formations and snake mounds.
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: What the hell is happening there? When we look at
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: it and say Prince Maddock was. He's got this dragon
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: that looks kind of like a snake that was on
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: his flag. You know, they didn't bury their people like
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: the natives did they They buried them and put stones,
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: so it's they didn't put them up high. They didn't
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: do any of that. It was very different. The Moon
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: eight people were different than that. And also a lot
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: of people go back and forth on whether or not
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: Maddock was quetz acaddle because he had a beer. Yes
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: they do, yes, extreme yep.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: And so when we look at this and then we've
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: got you know, Lewis and Clark involved looking for Welsh Indians.
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: We've got Thomas and Jefferson involved, We've got all these
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: weird things like what are you talking about? You know
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: what if it means nothing, then why the heck do
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: we have? And sources like this isn't just gibberish, This
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: isn't just me spouting off crazy stuff, Like here's more
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: I've given plenty, like I'm just telling you. And what
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: was the captain's name? I haven't made a correlation yet,
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: but you know captain John Smith?
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: Whoa Okay? Then like why is it always a Smith?
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: But anyway, and if it's not a Smith, it's a
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: Mac and I'll tell you why. But you know all
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: of this stuff. Look at their eyes. Look at this
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: lady is Native American, but she looks dramanic and she's
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: blonde with blue eyes, and so is her son. And
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: how are they shaped like the moon?
• 56:34
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you know what I thought one time. I don't
• 56:38
  Speaker 8: know if it's possible, but like, you know, you're going
• 56:40
  Speaker 8: on with this name Smith. I know it's like such
• 56:42
  Speaker 8: a you know, huge name anyway, But when I was
• 56:45
  Speaker 8: covering Skinwalker Ranch, I was like trying to follow like lineages,
• 56:50
  Speaker 8: you know, eventually you saw it like going back over
• 56:53
  Speaker 8: to Europe, and like I was like noticing that, like
• 56:56
  Speaker 8: people were leaving for Liverpool and somewhere else, Like there
• 56:58
  Speaker 8: was boatloads of motherfuckers those people coming over into through
• 57:03
  Speaker 8: New York and this is Smithtown on Long Island. And
• 57:07
  Speaker 8: I was like, oh man, I was like, don't even
• 57:09
  Speaker 8: tell me, Mother is a film fucking coming in droves.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: Through New York.
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: I'm so glad you brought that up, because here's the thing.
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: If you learn about the Smiths, they weren't even from
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: New York. That's where they were from, Massachusetts, They're from
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: a little place called Topsfield, Massachusetts, which is located where
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: today Salem. Yeah, his grandpa was involved in the inquisition.
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: His grandpa was involved in the actual hanging of Mary East,
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: one of the most famous witches in Salem. This is
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: strange And one of the books I was reading about this,
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: they said something about hiding from the queen, and I'm like,
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: why the heck would they be hiding from the queen. Well,
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: when I talked to David Livingston, he like spoke to
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: me about this, and in his work it shows in
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: order app ko He's taught talking about the Pilgrim Society
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: and the first families. Right, Joseph Smith had seven people
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: on their original Mayflower that were related to him. Seven.
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: There was only one hundred on the boat. Okay, a
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: lot of these people were Rosicrucians and or people practicing alchemy,
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: which witchcraft, whatever you want to call. They were people, yes,
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: being persecuted. Yes, it was a situation. We know this
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: was happening in Portugal, we know this was happening all
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: over the place, and we know this was happening with
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: who the templars for sure.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: So Catholics were having problems.
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: Right, and so when we're talking about these people, they're
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: gonna have to, like you said, like it's got a blend, right,
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: So they're gonna bring other people with them and encourage
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: them to be like, hey, lady next door, let's go
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: to America, like because they need to not have just
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: a boat full of witches coming over here. But the
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: Smith family wasn't this poor, destitute nobody family. Captain and
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: Captain Samuel Smith, he was part an integral part of
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: the Boston Tea Party. We know this. His father was
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: involved in the Inquisition. His birthday is sixteen sixty six
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: because they have the same name, so Junior senior a
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: Samuel Smith Junior and senior. So that people can look
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: this up and check it out. But all of this stuff,
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: and combined with the fact that we know wheel Lock
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: is a big part of what this Dartmouth College. He's
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: the one that started it, and he's all about who
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: in this not only the Indians, but the Jesuits. That's right,
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: we knew they were going to pop up too. So
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: when we're talking about all of this, you have to
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: see like this is this is like one of the
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: biggest woes, like woe in America, because if all of
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: this stuff is true, people always say, oh, the New
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: World Order is going to take over. Hello, they've been here,
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: say they've already taken over. Yeah, they've been here since
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: the beginning. Apparently, because all of this stuff, we have
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: to look at it and it's very concerning when we see,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: you know, Willock's copy of a Jesuit book, Gratis a
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: Paranassium in the Baker Library at Dartmouth shows that the
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: Jesuits were always on his mind. Like this is what
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: they say. So this isn't even me, This is just
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: a professor that wrote this little article. Here it is
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: you guys, go look it up if you want. But like,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: all of this stuff goes together when we look at
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: it with a wider lens. When we look at Dartmouth
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: and we look at the Smith family and we look
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: at the witchcraft stuff. Who was really the witches, not
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: the people being burned? And they probably weren't witches, they
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: were probably alchemists. And what was Joseph Smith's mom known
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: to be? She was a midwife. And plus, you know,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: they were like big wigs of the of the town.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: They were like mayors, so.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: So hide and you're telling me that the people who
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: were really the witches at the Salem witch trials were
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: not the people being burned, but the people doing the burning.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, me, thinks they protest too much? Yes, yes, I
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 4: wish I hadn't know, and i'd have been quiet.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: There, you're good, you're good. I just started. You know,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: I've been on the occult rejects, not not even not
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: even a year now. But you know, I kind of
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: brought a little bit of what I do on Gray
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: piled over here. So nick, I love it.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: Yes, I would have been quiet. That's funny.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: No, no, please don't let that.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: No, no, it's funny.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: I liked it.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: I like it for sure. And here's the thing, like,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: why do you think they say, me thinks you protest
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: too much? What the hell was France and speaking even
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: talking about anyways? People need to read their books and
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: not kindle because that why did they name it that,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: Because it's like kindling for a fire. They can start
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 4: that crap on fire anytime they want, so they can
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: change that. They can change it all day long. But
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: you know, nobody remembers anything about you know, the Smiths
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: and Massachusetts unless you're from back there or whatever. And
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: it's been very buried, and everybody thinks they're from New
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: York now, but we never ever ever think about what
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: happened to the Max.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: His mom is Lucy mack Smith. Her mom, want to
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: know her name? Speaking of first families, her name is
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: Lydia Gates. I've been busy Lydia Gates. And her father
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: was Daniel Deaconates, who is most certainly related to Bill Gates.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: And that's a whole nother story. Okay, But yeah, so
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 4: we got these Max and they're very important, right, and
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: nobody talks about them. In fact, Stephen Mack Junior is
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: actually known for founding Mactown, Illinois. He married Hona Naga
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: and she was an Indian princess. He made a bunch
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: of the treaties back in the day and actually ended
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: up with a whole bunch of their land. Okay, this
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: is Four Lakes County, modern day Madison, Wisconsin. So very interesting.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: We've got all this stuff, and we know that we've
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 4: got cuckoo crazy string and we can't go into string tonight.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: But King of Beaver Island was he crazy? I don't know,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: but he started something called the Helcion Illuminati. I think
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: that's fun. Yeah, I'm just saying, like, okay, so that
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: mac took off there and got mac Town. Okay. This
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: is talking about them having their children and getting married
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: and everything and the whole story behind it, and it's
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: super important. People should probably look into this. I'm just
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: gonna skip over it because it goes into tonight, but
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 4: it's not the full piece of tonight. His father was
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: important too. Guess what, Stephen Mack senior. He is actually
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: the founder of Pontiac, Michigan. Oh huh. Nobody ever told
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: me that. How come Mormons? How come this is important?
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: This is American history? Why do you guys hide this?
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: Cool?
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah? And so when we look at this, he was
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: also involved in like an early on bank scandal. Of
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: course he was hysterical. Yeah, so you know this is
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 4: proving Here you go, you guys. This is clip shots
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: from the actual like little articles I have to go read.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: He became a successful for trader and businessman, eventually claiming
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 4: one thousand acres of land. Not only that, but he
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: got a whole bunch of money because at this point
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: when they signed the treaty, he got a bunch of
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 4: money from his children as well. All of the children
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 4: that have been persecuted under Indian reparations. So we got
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: Almond mac never heard of him before. Oh, he's a
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: prominent figure in early Michigan history. He served as a
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: state legislature He did that in eighteen forty eight. He's
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: a successful merchant in Rochester, Michigan, where he also served
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: at this township supervisor and justice of the peace. He
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: notably drafted and pushed through a bill chartering the Pontiac
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: and Labor Plank Road in a single day and benefited
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: local commerce. So these are not nobody's like they and say,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: this is my point of showing everybody this. These are
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: not nobody's. They want to say the Smiths were poor
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: farmers and nobody knew anything about them. Okay, whatever, that
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: sounds great. Like meanwhile, we've got the Smiths, you know
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: in Topsfield. They're all select men of Topsfield, which is
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: like the mayor, and they're involved in the Boston Tea
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: party and you know whatever, Okay, sounds good, Like these
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: are not nobodies. These are not that. This is weird.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: This is absolutely weird.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: But what the same stuff when you look into the
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: Jehovah's witnesses with Charles Ty's Russell and the Russell family.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: And I'm sure you.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 4: Want to know why the Huntington Russell, will you Huntington
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 4: Russell is Joseph Smith's fifth cousin, that's why.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: Okay, So they brushed off and startedally okay.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: And guess what else I've been doing my research. You
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 4: ever heard of the seekers movement that led into spiritualists?
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: You ever hear of this? Well, that's kind of like
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: the first New agey stuff in America where they're like
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: table tapping and all kinds of fun stuff. So, yeah,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 4: one of the mac brothers took off because he was
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: a seeker. And I can't prove it, but I mean
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: he went up to Canada and was never heard from again.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: But like I said, we're looking into Jane Leeds all
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 4: this stuff. We do know this, the lady that was
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 4: a spiritualist that was very involved with the creation of
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: Stanford That's right, Stanford University. She was also very intricral
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: in the whole development with the railroad. After her husband
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 4: suddenly died and she sold off her shares at a
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 4: loss in a quick quick sale too, dun't it on
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: for them?
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: Young?
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: Whatever her last she was definitely from a Mormon family,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: but she wasn't a Mormon if you look it up,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 4: don't worry about it. Her family was, though she comes
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 4: from Mormon line, like directly, not way down the line,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 4: just like with William Huntington Russell fifth cousin, that's not
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 4: that far, Like, come on, it's not twice removed, none
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 4: of that. No, no, no, no. So when we look
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: at this stuff again, here we're talking about the mad
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 4: dog story and why is it so important keeping it alive?
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 4: For who? Stuart audience, you know about the Stewart right
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 4: Stuart line, that whole.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: Thing, no, not to.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 4: The Jacobins and the Stewarts, Jacobins whatever, So that all
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 4: has to do with that, And who was my family
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: line that made me related to all these weird people?
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 4: Stuart's the son that was illegitimate. Uh, And he took
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: off and went to South Africa for a while in
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 4: hiding and then ended up in Kaysville, Utah. That's weird.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, that's weird. Why. I don't know. Maybe they
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: promised him Heaven still working on figuring that out. So
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 4: I do think that all of this together is a
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 4: very interesting portrait, and I do think it does one thing. Whoop,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 4: that's not the one I wanted to show. I do
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 4: think it shows legitimately that A. I do not believe
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: Joseph Smith did anything to copy anything from Solomon Spaulding.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 4: I do believe they attended the same well, I know
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: they attended the same teachings via his brother. Right. I
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 4: think I've pretty much shown that, I mean hopefully, and
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: I do know that the people that they persecuted heavily
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: for trying to prove this Maddock stuff. Yeah, this is
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: the best. Okay, I'm gonna show you what happens when
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: this guy and he's a very Mormon, so hopefully. Oh,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 4: I hope it will play with the sound. If not,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 4: we might have to reshare. But I'm going to try
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: and play us a really short clip, so let's see
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 4: if it'll do it. Ope, it's not playing the sound.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: Okay, after the video file, are you sharing it like
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: you're sharing screen?
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 4: I think I just might have to.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: Can you upload it through your video file? Go to
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: share and then go up to video file and share
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: it that usual.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 4: If I just reshare it, I probably didn't hit share
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 4: audio when I went to share. Do you know what
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 4: I'm saying. So if you remove it, I'll readd it.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: Go go to stream yard yeah yeah, and then you
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: can just go to uh down to present and then
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: you go up to video file. There we go, okay,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: then you can add it in right there and it'll
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: it'll make noise.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: Oh boy, oh man? What we do there? We go? Nice?
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 4: Is it making noise?
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: We haven't added it yet? Here we go.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 7: Uh, so that the compo, we know it's hand a
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 7: great like period.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: I see, don't ryle and for the Indians and most
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: of it. But has it been analyzed to see if
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: it has been smeltered because we have found some on
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: the comments that it has been smeltered. That that's great.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: Antiquity needs to be Where to harbor the common Where
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: are the copper grades there? I?
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 7: If they're I.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: If they're not on display, then.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 4: They're they're not all guys, they're in your own There.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: Is one on display? Oh a copper one. Yeah, it's excellent.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 7: And if you look in the timeline.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, Now, your job, you're your curator. Are do you
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: work through the park department or right right? Virginia West
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: Virginia huh uh State Park you're a historian or your
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: archaeologist or are historians?
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 7: Actually my degree is in a county and they hired
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 7: me when state park I also functioned as the state
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 7: park superintendent.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: I see, and I've.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 7: Been here since nineteen eighty one. Okay, and uh, the
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 7: the idea in those most state parks superintendents to prime me.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're coming out of biology.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 4: I see any history.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 7: Then as state parks became a p alonge revenue in
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 7: the state of West Virginia, maybe dect maybe any of
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 7: the business people. Oh so, so what they've done with
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 7: us is and now the new superintendent's coming on of
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 7: parks and rect you know what happened. Every tate part
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 7: is different, magnificent state park system. So what happened is
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 7: over the last ten years. I probably you've read everything
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 7: a bunchy as many classes as you do when you
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 7: become a gross tea jab.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: So this turkey was.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: Now you can see after listening to Susan.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: Oh you're mute a tidy.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 4: So that is the end of that little presentation. But okay,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: I thought it was interesting. First of all, He's like,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 4: so you're a historian. No, she says, yes, Yeah, then
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 4: she said, and he's like, oh, so you're this, you're that,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: blah blah blah. They put this guy in prison. He
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 4: pushed too hard on this madog thing. I believe that
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 4: they did that. Like I'm just telling you, guys, Alan Wilson,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 4: James Michael, they say all their stuff is bunk. I'm
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 4: just saying this. There's a lot of other resources. There's
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 4: a lot of other things that you guys can look
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 4: at here that we presented, like all of the different
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 4: sites I've cited, like tons of stuff.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: Okay, was that person a king a King Arthur historian?
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 4: No, she was an accountant.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: I saw King Arthur second on there and know what
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: that was about. But I've been doing a deep dive
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: on the artarian mysteries for un.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 4: You will run into the Kingston's yeah, because that's where
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 4: they claim. Yeah, and so it's just very strange. And
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 4: and the guy was the guy that was asking her
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 4: the questions. He was a Mormon, so yes, he does
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 4: mk ultra. I don't know they both did, but whatever
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 4: whatever the case may be, I will say this for them.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 4: I do believe they were teaching this. I do believe
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 4: they were teaching John D's. I believe Dartmouth early on
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 4: was a mystery school. I believe they were teaching ways
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 4: to channel I believe they were teaching a whole lot
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 4: of other stuff. And at the end of the day,
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 4: I just think we need to understand that this is
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 4: what was going on at that time and the history
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: of that time, right, Like I mean, clearly alm Inspalding
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 4: did not have anything to do with the Book of
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 4: Mormon if you're looking at all of this at all.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 4: But people will still tell you Joseph Smith took his
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 4: stuff and wrote the Book of Mormon or was it
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: just his notes from the damn class and he put
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 4: it in a trunk in Canada. That's my guess, you know. So,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: I just think it's funny that they just want to
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 4: squash all this history. I'm going to be starting a
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 4: history one, just you know, Mormon history stuff, because this
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 4: is weird. It's also unfortunate. I just think that even
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 4: if the worst things happen, like the worst things happened
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: in history, we deserve to know it's fair.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: Absolutely no.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: Let the people decide for themselves, right.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 4: Yes, well, and at the end of the day, it's
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 4: the past. We can't do any thing about the past.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 4: What are we gonna do?
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, who cares? You can't harp on it too much.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 4: Exactly, And at least we will learn maybe why certain
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 4: people are so pissed off, because I'll tell you who
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: does have the history, and that is the Native Americans
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 4: or the Native Canadians, because you know what, they have
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: oral history. They can't burn and so they just can't
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 4: tell you all about it, Like they're not going to
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 4: tell me. They're not going to tell They're not going
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 4: to tell their history just for fun. But they do
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 4: talk about plates, they talk about the copper plates, they
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 4: talk about a lot of things. So bernezy, I'll have
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 4: to check. I wouldn't be surprised. I know Rockefeller is
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 4: Joseph Smith's cousin. I can't remember how far it's further
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 4: down the line than Huntington Russell. But you know, ever
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 4: since I learned about this whole Pilgrim Rosicrucion angle, it
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 4: makes a whole lot more sense about people coming here.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: It makes a whole lot more sense if you're digging
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 4: into Arthur, especially from you know, the whole situation with
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 4: Francis Bacon's writing. You go into like I mean, come on,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 4: we are the brave New World in my opinion. So
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 4: I think we were a grand you know, scheme that
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 4: they created and they just wanted to see if it
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 4: would work. I really do. You know, Rich people do
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 4: dumb shit all the time, and definitely they want to
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: drive like, oh let's just try this or oh let's
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: just try that. You know, that's the point and so yeah,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 4: you know it's silly to keep hiding it. Yeah, and
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: they are still doing the things from today, like the
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 4: Kingstons didn't go away. Why do they not punish them?
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: Why do they not punish them? They are actually an
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 4: atrocity if they are marrying their cousins and aunts and whatever.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: That's that's illegal, right, that's illegal. So why are they
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 4: not punishing him? I don't know. Ask Mitt Romney because
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 4: he keeps getting a shit ton of money from him.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 4: Because they own all the Mavericks in the West Coast,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: most of them, and they're involved in energy credits and all.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 4: It's the weird stuff like people and you know whatever.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 4: But it's very interesting and it's not just them. We
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 4: see the Jesuit's aligned with the Mormons. When go look
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 4: up David M. Kennedy lds Abus has talked about this
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 4: on the show before. I've been deep diving it. It
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 4: gets even worse.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: And then I've been talking about this lately. You know,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: the Rosicrucian Rose and Cross is the same exact one
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: as the Lutheran Church, and it's it's it's right there,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: you know. So you know that these guys were in
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: the secret Orders. It's like, hey, well, talking about.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: This when the church came out that was for for
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: oc cultism. That did kind of like split a line
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: between a lot of two Wow.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: Really, yes, yeah, it's something I'm I'm I'm planning on
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: doing more of a deep dive on. I'd love to
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: talk to someone from the the Amort Society. But you
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 3: know how that goes.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 4: Guess who was an amork eh, Sir Hans, Sir Hanna.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 4: I have his card, I do.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: He was totally just dude, one rigged and ready to go.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 4: Well, he had a mentor. His name was Thomas Rathkey,
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 4: and then they gave some bunk story about Thomas Rathkey.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 4: There's no pictures of him. He's the only one you
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 4: can't find hardly anything about on the CIA declassified docs.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 4: But I did find a couple of things, and what
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: I did find was birthday alignment, the one that they
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: say that it was. It doesn't match the birthday. But
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 4: guess what I found the birthday. I found the birthday
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 4: on guess where he lived later Utah? He was a Mormon.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 4: There you go. This shit can't be made up. Like
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 4: calm on. I have his obituary. I just barely did
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 4: that one. So yeah, sir Hann, you know it was sad.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 4: It was just it's sad. Now he's freaking alive. Let
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 4: him out, you asshole like Knewsom shot that down. He
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 4: was paroled and knew some shot that down. That is
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 4: absolutely people.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: Who old RFK were right there with him. Guess what
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: were the guys right there with him?
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, and with JFK.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: In my opinion, the driver did it.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 4: I don't know, but I will tell you this. Eight
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 4: days before JFK died, he came here in Utah and
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 4: gave a speech. So there's that.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: I just Cia has that gun, you know, then, and
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: you see the driver turn around, and I don't know, I.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 4: Just I think it was the triple thing with the
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 4: mob and the whole thing.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: I think it was they make you look this direction,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: look that direction, look over here, but really it's happening
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: right in front of your eyes and you're not seeing it.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: And that's that's what I've seen with just with some things.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: But it may not be true for all.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 4: But Nick, since since I spoke to you last, guess
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 4: what I did learn? And I will be coming back
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 4: for We'll have to do a deep dive on this one.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 4: You guys will laugh. Do you know about Carrie Thornley's movement?
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 4: You know Carry Thornley from JFK. Remember, no, So he
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 4: starts this cuckoo movement. It's it's a really new ag
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 4: weirdo movement. And Carrie Thornley is like intecl He's he's
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 4: a big part. He like wrote a book and everything.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 4: He's a big part of the JFK story. You guys
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 4: could look it up. But guess what. He's a Mormon. Oh,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 4: that's right, he's a Mormon. Always always there are Mormons
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 4: behind Mormons. It's ridiculous. Yeah, And we can share the
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 4: screen if you if you've got him on there, yeah,
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 4: because then people will Okay, what how's that happening?
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: That's that's the hold on.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: Let me. I'm like, uh, from the studio hid the
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 3: other one. I think you have to remove it. I'm sorry,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: it was just it's stream yard, trust me. Oh but
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: I do solo shows and it gives me a hard time.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, for sure. But it's funny. You know, we
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 4: see these things constantly. It's more than the Freemasons. These
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 4: are brotherhoods. These are brotherhoods. This is more than regular Freemasons,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 4: more than regular Mormons. These are top elites aligned together,
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 4: whether they be Jesuits or Mormon's or Jay C's or
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 4: oh I forgot to tell you, there is a whole
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 4: Jewish connection.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 3: That one. It's just the Jay's behind Trump. And really
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: it's the Knights of Malta. It's all these orders of
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: like you know these these.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 4: Uh he's got that German blood, that good German blood.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: Oh read Christ Trump, yep right, yeah, yeah, it's something
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: weird about that. And then the whole thing with barn
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: the Mom's tales, you know, the book that was written
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: and all that.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 4: Mary Mary Christ. How do you like that?
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: Wild? Yeah? Another thing with Germany, Uh, Jules Rosicrucianism and
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: Lutheranism both came out of Germany too. No, ship that
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: was only the.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: Same there you go, the same same origin place.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 4: And obviously, if this Maddock situation is real and we
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 4: look at later, where did they send all the Nazis
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 4: that came from Project paper Clip? They sent them to Alabama?
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 4: And where did Mattock go? Those people probably already have
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 4: an alignment there if it's real, and that's what happened,
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 4: If it's a Rosicrucian society set up from this weird
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 4: prince that came over once upon a time, I mean.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: Well, they took care of those doctors in those Nazis,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: and Alabama would be the best place to put them
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: there or probably my statement, right next to them Mississippi.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 3: But like in they were a part of their own
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: order too, rite like you and the John you know,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: you had the Reiral Society and all that stuff, and
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 3: so they were kind of you know, they were taking
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: care of their uh you know, their brothers and in
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: a way right like their brethren of order. And so yeah,
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: the elite are always going to take care of their
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: own well.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 4: And if we listen, if we listen, we see it,
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 4: like Nick, I know, you'll recogniz for sure in the FLDS.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 4: You know, if you go back to the FLDS movement,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 4: the fundamentalists. They don't call each other brother and sister.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 4: I want to know what they call each other. Broyer
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 4: and Sawyer sound familiar?
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: Goo?
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Right. And when we get into the Jewish connection,
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 4: it is also very interesting because even though Joseph Smith
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 4: couldn't read or write in English because apparently he was
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 4: completely illiterate and ridiculous, but he was don't worry taking
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 4: some lessons. Want to know what they were? They were Hebrew?
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 4: Want to know who from well, that would be from
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 4: Isaac Sykesos. Who's the psysist family? You don't say sei
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 4: xas well? Gershan Sykesis was one of the very few
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 4: people that were in the at the inauguration of George Washington.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 4: He was a critical person that escaped Portugal. And why
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 4: because he was one of the ones forced to become
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 4: a Christian because you know, inquisition and stuff. And the
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 4: wife was a levee l e v Y Rachel Levy
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 4: and that also gets very interesting. And all this always
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 4: goes back to his sabatizev. If you guys don't know
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 4: who that is, you should probably come up. But anyways, yeah,
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 4: why is there the star that there is on the
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 4: Navu Temple. I'm not gonna call it the je you
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 4: know what star because it isn't look it up. It
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 4: goes back to magic.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: Even said like that was being used in the Golden
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: Dawn before, like.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: Me for for uh solomonic magic, right.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 4: Uh, that's.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: Planetary magic. I used that.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 4: I used to Well, what did Joseph Smith die within
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 4: his pocket?
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: Well we talked a lot how they used the the
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: hook cross you know this, the swastika and the sisual
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: Solomon and tangent like they are and what's the word
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: in tandem? Like they used it together. A lot of
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: occultis did because it had power together. And so when
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: you look at World War two and even talk about
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: this a lot on my show Gang Symbolism, it's like
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 3: they have these civil wars going on in the street, right,
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: that's it. I just think these wars charging all this
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: magic that's happening behind the scenes.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 4: I don't even think they know half the time. Here's
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 4: the thing, just like the Mormons, like the go to
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 4: the temple and we do like typhon, we do typhony
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 4: and stuff, we do the why we do all this
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 4: true order prayer we do the Square day, Okay, we
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 4: do it. And here's the thing. Why would they have
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 4: people that are that have no knowledge do something? I
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 4: want to know? Why? Want to know what the University
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 4: of Utah does on their halftime shows so that they
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 4: can win. They do something. They called it charging the house.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 4: Figure it out, figure it out. They're charging their house.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 4: And that's what pisses me off. As they're using old lady, grandma's,
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 4: grandpa's to charge up their bullshit, and it makes me mad.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, help it. If you want to charge
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 4: up your own stuff, do it. Go ahead?
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you got twelve kids, use them?
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. Well Joseph Smith, did I want to hear
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 4: another one? One last thing? Oh yeah, Joseph Smith had
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 4: a son. We all know what dark magic is the
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 4: very most price you could pay, right, and dark magic
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: gets a child. We know this. A newborn is even
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 4: worth more, and a son is worth the most. And
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 4: you know, Joseph Smith, before he got the plates, the
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 4: firstborn son of his father suddenly died okay, from an
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 4: overdose from his doctor for no shit constipation. So that's
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 4: what happened, and that was weird. And also they dug
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 4: him up a whole bunch, and that's a whole weird story.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 4: People can check that out. There's a Palmyra article about it.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 4: If you google it, we'll come right up. They ran
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 4: it in the paper three times three or four. But
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 4: Joseph Smith's child was born shortly after that, right after
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 4: he got the plates. He had a son like a
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 4: couple months later, obviously after this ceremony, and the sun
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 4: supposedly was so deformed he only lived for moments and
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 4: then died, right he didn't. They used that and they
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 4: paid the ultimate price. In my opinion, that is dark magic,
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 4: and that is all over it. Like, I'm sorry, this
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 4: goes back so much further than people understand. This is
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 4: a Canaanite religion. This is that is what it is,
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 4: and I don't care.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 8: Absolutely right, yeah, absolutely right.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: Quit taking the innocent with them.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: It's Mulk day, right, No talk about a lot on
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 3: great pill. Moloch is not a deity. He's nowhere in
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: any pantheon, you know, Moulk. Then shout out to esoteric
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: Eddie for enlightening me with this. Mulk is a type
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: of sac that they would do, you know, particularly an
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: ancient Phoenicia Canaan right, and uh, it's the idea of
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 3: what deity you are performing this mulk sacrifice too, So
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: like at Bohemian Grove, everyone thinks that it's Moloch. No,
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: the elites are performing a mock mulk sacrifice to Minerva
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: for wisdom, right.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 4: Who's on the flag of California.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and so you all start being scared of some
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 3: like fucking uh you know. And and then you know,
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 3: it was funny that the ball ball pre ballhomone. You know,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 3: there's many balls.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: No, I've even we've probably created a ball of a
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: Moloch all together with I thought at this point.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: There is a Moloch's and some astral realm, just like
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: there's a apha met and there's a slender Man and
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 3: all this stuff that have created and these servitors. We
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 3: talk about this a lot on my show, Heidi. Uh,
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: and a lot on a Colt too. But uh, yeah, absolutely,
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 3: you're you're right with the whole Canaanite stuff. But yeah, no,
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 3: it's so now we have a day out of it, right,
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: MLK Day, which is said to represent this man who died.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 3: I don't think that's the case at all. I think definitely,
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: but the MLK also goes back to melch is a deck.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: It's a very ancient term as far because that was
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: back when they didn't use the vowels, you know, an
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: ancient heap. They only use consonants and especially in magic
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: and Enochian magic and so yeah, but they would do
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 3: moulk sacrifices.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 4: In the value.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 3: Which that's referred to as hell. Right. It's where people
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: would go to burn their trash but also burn their
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: children to ball and other deities.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 4: So yep, yep. And you guys should start looking at
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 4: state seals. Look. I mean, if people put two and
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 4: two together, they know it was Minerva, right, Like, I mean,
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 4: come on, it's on their state seal. It's on their
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: state flag California. Tells you all about who they're about.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: Like and as far as the Mormons are concerned, Mammon Mormon,
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 4: I don't know, but I'll show you some I've showed
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 4: nick before about their priesthood. If you want to look
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: up their priesthood symbol their jewels, it's just missing the
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 4: little part in the middle for Mammon Mammon and Melkezidic
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 4: priesthood symbol. You'll see they're identical except for the little
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 4: guy in the middle. So yeah, it's it's always the
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 4: same thing, Mormon money magic, you know. And it's not
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 4: just Mormons, you know, it's all of them. I hate
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 4: to say it, you know, there's a little bit of
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 4: all of them there. And yeah, it's interesting.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 3: So even in the Melchizidek because we read Initiates of
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: the Flame, we read melchiside in the Mystery of Fire.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: For someone who's saying that I learned my Tulpa stuff
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 3: about topamncy from David Lynch, uh, you know, I know
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: he mentions it, but no, I've done a lot of
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 3: research into.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 4: If you read the same book, you're a plagiarist, right right.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: He doesn't get it. He mentions him, but he doesn't.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: He doesn't get into like here, I'm gonna pull this idea,
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: but he doesn't mention. So we have this.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 3: And I'm a big Lynch fan. You see the Eraserhead.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: We've actually watched it on stream. We did a whole
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: twin peaks analysis on Patreon. Took six months.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: You have again.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 4: Over there too, that's soon.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: But yeah, no, this is this is interesting that that
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 3: you're bringing this up, Heidi, because a lot of people
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: are starting to talk about melch On like it's starting
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 3: to pop up on like YouTube reels and ticks.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: To see a little kes a deck now if you
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: want to look, go back up, go back up. And
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, just real quick.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 4: That's on the temples, which the.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: Eight pointed star right there, It's.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 4: There, it is. Oh, this is probably about Mormonism, honestly,
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 4: Like I mean, like a lot, I've seen this before.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 4: I think it has to do with it. And if
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 4: you look at this symbol.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: With which one, yeah, that's pretty much the make will
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: that is.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 4: It is very popular with the Mormons.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 3: King of righteousness and priests of the Most High God
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 3: of Shalam, which is king of peace. The octopha or
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 3: eightfold endless triangle, which being a geometric figure composed of
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 3: lines continually reproduced to infinity by right angles, horizontals, perpendiculars,
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: and diagonals, was held by our ancient brethren among all
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: nations as a symbol of the divine omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence,
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 3: universal and definite and eternal, infinite and eternal.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 4: Sorry yes, just like uh time and all eternity. But
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 4: they just steal people's everything. Yeah, they steal it, and
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 4: that's what they do. They've stolen a lot of things
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 4: from solomonic magic. This is literally in a temple. You
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 4: can see that. This is in a window. And this, yeah,
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 4: exactly because I'm telling you. And then the top one
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 4: if you slide down just a little more. This one
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 4: right here is literally on the train station, one of
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 4: our earlier buildings in Ogden. I'm gonna do a little
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 4: thing about that because I was there just looking at
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 4: it for my daughter's wedding and I was like, I
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 4: see you. It's everywhere. It's just everywhere. Yeah, we can't
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 4: run from it, we can't hide from it. But if
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 4: you know about it, you can protect yourself at least
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 4: very minimum. You know, it's all you can do. Magic
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 4: is intention, and if you make sure your intentions are
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 4: focused correctly and not just letting it leach out all
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 4: the time like that, that's probably wise.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 6: So yeah, watch yourselves. Yes, absolutely no, check this. Yeah,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 6: that was the I'm sorry, the eight pointed Star. That
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 6: was the macmac one. Yes, especially.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: Pretty interesting show the screen. I wanted to show what
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: that was getting out earlier.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: You're cursed, who's cursed?
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: Nicking?
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 4: I hope not me.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 3: Whoa someone lives in Just kidding, but uh no, this
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 3: was very enlightening. I actually this was one of the
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 3: first times I've talked about Mormonism. I've talked about scientology
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 3: and all these other religious kind of you know these
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: Uh there it is the roots and those colors, there's
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 3: the alchemical colors. Guys, absolutely, then check this out there
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 3: you go up, it's the same.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 4: That's the reason why.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: That's from a occult book.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 4: That's the reason why they wanted the LDS to interbreed
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 4: with the native people, no matter which ones they were.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 4: It was act and the Asian people now they kind
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 4: of push it to harness that energy. They know where
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 4: the magic lies. It's it's it's period. And if you
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 4: guys think that Mormonism ended with Joseph Smith, uh most
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 4: of his descendants settled half of America, including the whole
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 4: West coast was Brigham and the rest of it was
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 4: the Max. And you know, it gets wild when we
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 4: start looking at it. The people that they hide are
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 4: the most like interesting and important. Basically, we got the
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 4: Romneys who took off to Mexico. We got the Max
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 4: who kind of settled Midwest and took off to Canada.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 4: We've got all kinds of people infiltrating Russia. Do you
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 4: know there were Russian missionaries before Joseph Smith died. That's
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 4: kind of concerning, especially since he was really good friends
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 4: with I don't know, you know, they call him Jews,
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 4: but they're not. I mean, you know, the crypto Jews
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 4: and yeah, so the Levees were crypto Jews. Uh yeah, yeah,
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 4: the Levees. She was a crypto Jew and they were
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 4: into banking. The Pisist who she married, he was half
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 4: and half. He was half Sephardic and he goes on
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 4: to be one of the most gersham Sykesists is like
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 4: a huge deal in Jewish today. So people can look
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 4: it up. I'm not saying it's all the Jews, it's
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 4: all the people. It's all of them. So yeah, they're
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 4: all involved, they're all in this together, but they don't
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 4: know it because it's only the elite. You guys know this,
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 4: like you've studied enough. You know, Nick's been in it
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 4: and studied plenty. We know and we can see it
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 4: isn't everybody. They're not going to tell some dumb schmuck
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 4: that is there for dinner about everything, just not going
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 4: to do that. They're not going to level him up.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and the guy who's there for like a social club,
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 3: you know, some blue lodge guy.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 4: They're happy to see you, but you're not getting the
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 4: level up. You're not getting the path you might think
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 4: you're getting. Even if they are leveling you, it's not
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 4: the same thing. You're probably there to do their bidding
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 4: and stay on your damn square. And that's just the truth.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 4: You know. I hate to say it, but most of America,
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 4: I always say one nation under Freemasonry because.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 3: Sorry, Yeah, the founding fathers, Yeah, they were Mason, they
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 3: were Deis, you know what I mean.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, And you know what, if it was honest, that's
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 4: the biggest problem I have with it. It's just not honest.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 4: Stop taking lush from people that don't know what you're doing.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 4: It's crap, you know. And then I'll shut up. Maybe, yeah,
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 4: climb the mountain like Curly. You heard about what happened
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 4: to the people with him. Make sure.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 3: Ye oh, I'm not climbing that mountain with Palid.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 4: No, No, I wouldn't climb you know what. Nobody climbed
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 4: with him again after that, So yeah, so I did
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 4: want to say one fun thing. Uh, you know, when
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 4: we talk about school and Bones for Utah, people often
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 4: think that they came and copied them. No, the alma
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 4: maters of Skull and Bones, the actual people that went
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 4: there and set it up and everything came here and
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 4: set that up on purpose. And they also were procuring
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 4: certain people that were part of very important German families
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 4: to come here. Like I don't know, let's see if
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 4: you recognize Peter Till's uncle, Maser M A. E.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: S c R.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 4: He was the first principal at b YU. So that's fun.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 4: I have his autobiography nineteen twenty seven from BYU. Yes,
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 4: he was very very interesting. He studied underneath a guy
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 4: that studied underneath Carl Marx. So if you were wondering
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 4: where it all went wrong, I mean we can. We
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 4: can tear it all apart if we do each religion
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 4: that way. There you go. But Peter Till's uncle, Yeah,
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 4: that's that's scary. I mean it's always those people. It's
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 4: not like, oh, I just work hard enough, I'm gonna,
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 4: you know, make it like this guy. No, that guy.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 4: That guy hadn't made when he was born. Sorry. So yeah,
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 4: but we can't. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. So yeah, that's
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 4: why I always say, just keep an eye on all
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 4: of them. You know, if it looks shady, probably is so, right, Ryan, Absolutely,
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 4: multiple things can still be Absolutely you're still learning every day.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the truth is always somewhere in in the middle.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 3: And yeah, absolutely, I'm always like something, I'm learning something
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 3: every day that that is somehow shifting my opinion on
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 3: something or research that. Can you know that I can
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 3: leak new things together on and.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 4: I'm just a researcher doing my journey. Well yeah, yeah,
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 4: we can't. We can't know everything, and I don't know
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 4: that you would want to, because look what happened to let.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 3: You know everything? You know nothing? Yeah, fine, madness it's
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 3: also as well, Yeah, so.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I wouldn't want that.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll just do our people fuck with Jamatia too
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: much even so to get like a little oh yeah.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 4: Anybody that gets like two into anything in particular, which
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 4: is why I'm always shifting gears. It's just not good
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 4: for you.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: Even try to do that with on topics, try to
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: jump around stuck in Yes.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, South Carolina is very interesting. Carolinas are very interesting,
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 4: especially Freemason. Yeah, but you never know, you never know
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 4: what you're gonna get, right, So with the Federal Reserve
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 4: and different things with Mormonism and all kinds of stuff
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 4: that I've learned with some new books I've gotten, it
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 4: really has opened my eyes about where they really split off.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 4: When Joseph Smith died, that was critical. He did not
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 4: leave a predecessor, and a whole bunch of people claimed
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 4: to be like, I'm the prophet, and I'm the prophet,
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 4: and I'm the prophet. So they all did this, but
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 4: those lines are so important. Like I said, we've got
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 4: the Halciona Illuminati. We've got you know, brothers that took
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 4: off with him. We've got somebody that went out to
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 4: Arizona that you know, Canada, all these different places. The
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 4: Romneys took off to Mexico. We need to look at this.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 4: You know, the railroads are in with the Harrimans that
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 4: are in with Brigham Young. That's interesting. We've got all
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 4: kinds of connections all the way across. And it's not
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 4: just the railroads, it's everything. So you know, mining, the
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 4: mining is scary. They sold off a whole bunch of
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 4: the mining to the crown, like how much of America
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 4: is even owned by America anymore?
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, scary, yes, yes, yes, how long has it been
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 3: like that?
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Mason Maser, the Maser connection is not a distant
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 4: like it's it's actually not to ask nineteen twenty seven
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 4: biography of of him himself. He'll tell you, Carl G. Maser,
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 4: check out his biography.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I say that the Revolutionary War was a
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 3: giant sacrifice blood over the land, you know, the new
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 3: the newly founded land. Right, it goes back into uh,
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 3: you know, the ancient tribes and so yes and yeah.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 4: So not only that, but you know, the whole war
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 4: over slavery wasn't exactly what it seemed that dude.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 3: That was a way to uh yeah, well you got
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 3: to look at who owned most of the ships and
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 3: the cotton plantations.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 4: Oh, the Lees are very enclose with so many people.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 4: It's including Canada, very interestingly enough. So history is amazing. Yeah,
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure. I'm sorry. Yeah, it gets that way. Yeah,
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 4: it gets to that point where you just go, whoa
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 4: why is that this way? And you know, at the
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 4: end of the day, it's knowledge. You just don't give
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 4: it power like you. You'll be wiser for it, and
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 4: you'll see the game before the game occurs. That's what
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 4: this is. Absolutely so thanks Nick, Thanks Jules.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 3: Hell my goodness, it's fun.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: It's fun.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 3: It's good to finally sit.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 6: I always loved when she comes on for the moment
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 6: still yeah, marmon Mormon Central.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: When she when she comes on the cover of stuff,
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: it's always always a blast too.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 4: And I've got I've still got on Nasis. You know,
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 4: I started that forever ago and.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: You did a lot of work.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, it's because it's not done. This is
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 4: one book on onnassas's for docs. So yeah, I didn't
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 4: I didn't know. I tried. I'm still trying. Thank you
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 4: so much. So if you guys like what you hear,
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 4: find me Unfiltered Rice Podcast. I'm everywhere podcasts or Serve,
• 1:43:20
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• 1:43:23
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• 1:43:25
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• 1:43:27
  Speaker 4: Thank you so much, you guys.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: That was great. You was yourself and everything. Like I
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: didn't even have to know what time it was.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 4: She's like, all right, he's like getting tired. I can
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 4: tell Nick, I.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: Was really sure. That was a lot of that was
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: it was a lot.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 3: I love that you had your own presentation and everything.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: Oh hell yeah, she comes off.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I try to bring proof because it sounds crazy.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 4: Thank you everybody.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: Of course, Julie, you want to let ever Wady know
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: what's up with you again? Yeah?
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 3: Man, Uh, this was a great show tonight. Guys, Heidi again,
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 3: it's it's great uh to see you and great talk
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 3: to you. Hopefully we'll be able to have you on
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 3: Great Pill soon sooner than later. Uh, so we'll talk
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 3: in in the back channels about that. Guys. Go check
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 3: out the shows we did this weekend. We had a
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 3: few people on Saturday, Trebles, Garcia, Uh, Doc Brown's there
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 3: for a minute, Catalyst Jones and uh we talked about
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 3: liminal spaces in the forest and all all sorts of stuff.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 3: In the night before that, we did part two on
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 3: the Gateway process and my wife was there to join
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 3: us with Arrows Headless Ethan is a good time. Hell yeah, yeah,
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 3: we and we have to do a part three. I
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 3: guess we have to finish it.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not this Friday, but the Friday after that.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 3: And then uh check out go check out my kryptd
• 1:44:57
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• 1:44:59
  Speaker 3: wasn't really much of a cryptid watch, about fifteen minutes
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 3: of that, but we got to talk about a lot
• 1:45:03
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• 1:45:05
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• 1:45:09
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• 1:45:13
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• 1:45:20
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• 1:45:22
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• 1:45:26
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• 1:45:32
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• 1:45:35
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• 1:45:40
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