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A DILEMMA: Zach Neto continues to befuddle Angels fans with his uneven play · Halo Territory: A Los Angeles Angels Podcast

• 0:08
  Speaker 1: Well, hey Angel fans, and welcome back to Halo territory.
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  Speaker 1: I am Mike di Giovanna, former La Times Baseball writer
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  Speaker 1: and host of the show, joined by my regular co
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  Speaker 1: host Mark Trumbo, the former Angel slugger, and we've periodically
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  Speaker 1: on the show we've liked to tap into the psyche
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  Speaker 1: of Angel fans, and for that we have Tyler Rios,
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  Speaker 1: Orange County native and a lifelong Angel fan for all
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  Speaker 1: thirty one years on the planet. Tyler, welcome to the show.
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: How you doing today?
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  Speaker 2: Doing very well, Very excited to be on the show,
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  Speaker 2: of course talk Angel baseball, and you know, thank you
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  Speaker 2: for having me on the show.
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  Speaker 3: All right, glad to have you, Tyler.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Tyler is not only an Angel fan, he is
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  Speaker 1: a former Orange Coast College middle infielder and currently an
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  Speaker 1: Irvine Valley College assistant coach. So he not only sees
• 1:01
  Speaker 1: the game through the lens of a fan, he sees
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  Speaker 1: it through the lens of a former player and a coach. Now, Tyler,
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  Speaker 1: a big topic on the show lately has been the
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  Speaker 1: play of Zach Netto, whereas I call him Mark Trumo's
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  Speaker 1: favorite shortstop. You're a huge Neto fan the last few
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  Speaker 1: years you loved that pick coming out of college, but
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  Speaker 1: I understand you're feeling a little more conflicted about your
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  Speaker 1: loyalty to the twenty five year old shortstop these days.
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  Speaker 3: Why is that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, like like we've talked about,
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  Speaker 2: I personally thought that it was a great pick coming
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  Speaker 2: out in twenty twenty two, you know, smaller division I school.
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  Speaker 2: Loved to see some of the videos and what he did.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he really made adjustments to strikes. I know,
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  Speaker 2: he had that big leg kick to start. Everybody was
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  Speaker 2: talking about, you know, not being able to hit, you know,
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  Speaker 2: at the big league level like that. Sure, I mean
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  Speaker 2: in baseball in general, it's hard to hit with a
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  Speaker 2: lake kick, whether you hear you know, major league baseball
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  Speaker 2: or your you know, college baseball, high school baseball.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I thought, you know, he would be able
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  Speaker 2: to make some adjustments, and I think he did, but
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  Speaker 2: you know, kind of getting rushed up early, just like
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  Speaker 2: the Angels have done all the time. You know, you
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  Speaker 2: get that looks to me like he's like, yeah, I've
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  Speaker 2: been here, been on the scene, and now it's you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm the shortstop. I'm the guy, which unfortunately, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I think Mark touched on it last last podcast, was
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  Speaker 2: you know, Mike Trout's hard nineties down the line are unreal,
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  Speaker 2: you know, as where he's at in his career. If
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  Speaker 2: there's if there's a guy like that that you're going
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  Speaker 2: to look to and see him get down the line
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  Speaker 2: and hustle. You know, there's there's no talent for hustle.
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  Speaker 2: We all know that you get down the line, you
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  Speaker 2: get in the dugout, you get out of the dugout,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you know, walking on the field, you know.
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  Speaker 2: So it's just stuff like that that that we've you know,
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  Speaker 2: been able to see recently, you know a little bit more,
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  Speaker 2: you know, prevalent as the struggles have continued, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and and and we always talk about that you take
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  Speaker 2: your you take your bat out to the to the box,
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  Speaker 2: and you take your field you know that your glove
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  Speaker 2: out to the field, and it looks like he's taking
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  Speaker 2: his bat out to the field, and then you can
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  Speaker 2: kind of see some plays on defense as well that
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  Speaker 2: you know, just should be made and are not. And
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  Speaker 2: you know, being a baseball player myself and being a competitor,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you know that it's it's tough sometimes to
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  Speaker 2: separate the two, but it has to be done in
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  Speaker 2: order for you to to succeed, you know, again at
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  Speaker 2: any level. So a little frustrating there on that end,
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  Speaker 2: you know, seeing some of the displeasure. And I think yesterday,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw one of his at bats,
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  Speaker 2: but he you know, flew out to left field, threw
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  Speaker 2: the bat off to the side, jogged down the line.
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  Speaker 2: It's just like it's you know, that's as an angel fan,
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  Speaker 2: as a as a you know, baseball head that loves
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  Speaker 2: to watch every part of the game. That's tough to see,
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  Speaker 2: especially on a team that's struggling and you know, are
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  Speaker 2: looking for leaders to to go out there and show
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  Speaker 2: what they can do.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we've wondered on this show several times why Mike
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  Speaker 1: Trout is not rubbed off on this kid in a
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  Speaker 1: more positive way. And and Mark, Mark and I talk
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  Speaker 1: about it a lot. Unfortunately, I'm wondering, like, as a fan, Tyler,
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  Speaker 1: are you more frustrated by you know, some of the
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  Speaker 1: perceived lack of hustle some of the the I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we've called it moping.
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  Speaker 3: How just outright moping.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes that mental attitude seems very surprising for a kid
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  Speaker 1: who last year was really on the rise.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's it's very frustrating to see that
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  Speaker 2: out of any of the players, right. I mean again,
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  Speaker 2: like I said, I know, it's tough. I know there's
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  Speaker 2: a grueling you know, season that goes into it. But
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  Speaker 2: you know, it is tough, especially like I said, when
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  Speaker 2: you're when you're trying to watch the game and see
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  Speaker 2: stuff like that. I again look at it as like, man,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's part of the game, and it happens again,
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  Speaker 2: I know, these long stretches of of you know, at
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  Speaker 2: bats that don't go our way, they get tough. But
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  Speaker 2: at the same time, it's it is to see it
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  Speaker 2: and then, like you just said, label it as as
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  Speaker 2: moping realistically, Yeah, shoulders down, jogging out, you know, to
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  Speaker 2: whatever base or do whatever it is. It's very frustrating
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  Speaker 2: to see again, especially because you see Mike Chout getting
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  Speaker 2: down the line, you see Wade Mechleer, and I know
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  Speaker 2: those guys are just coming up, you know, in terms
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  Speaker 2: of getting their shots and being able to play. But
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  Speaker 2: you know that's that's again you guys touched upon it.
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  Speaker 2: That's the type of baseball that we'd like to see
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  Speaker 2: in Anaheim. You know, guys putting the ball in play,
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  Speaker 2: first to third, home to home, first to home, any
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  Speaker 2: of those. You know, it's stuff that we've always loved
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  Speaker 2: to see. So it is, yeah, very frustrating to see
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  Speaker 2: the moping and battling body language.
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  Speaker 1: Now Netto is batting two twenty with a seven forty
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  Speaker 1: three ops on the season, thirteen homers, fourteen doubles, thirty
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  Speaker 1: two RBIs the overall numbers not too shabby, but he's
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  Speaker 1: got one hundred and two strikeouts. That's second most in
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  Speaker 1: the major leagues behind Kyle Schwarber is one hundred and six.
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  Speaker 1: He has six four strikeout games, which is not what
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  Speaker 1: you want from a leadoff man. And he's really struggling
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  Speaker 1: in his last twelve games. Let's take a look, uh
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  Speaker 1: one seven for fifty three homers, five RBIs twenty one strikeouts,
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  Speaker 1: three walks.
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  Speaker 3: And this was really surprised me.
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  Speaker 1: I looked on Fangrafts for war rankings and zach Netto
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  Speaker 1: was so far down I could barely get him in
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  Speaker 1: the screenshot zero point nine twentieth among qualifying shortstops. And
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  Speaker 1: you know the other surprising thing, And remember zach Netto
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  Speaker 1: led no he was second in the major leagues in
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  Speaker 1: defensive runs saved last year. He's got minus two defensive
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  Speaker 1: runs saved this year, eighteenth among qualifying shortstops, minus eleven
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  Speaker 1: outs above average twenty first, and an overall defensive rating
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  Speaker 1: of minus three point eight. This question for Mark Trumbo.
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  Speaker 1: Guys have up and down offensive years all the time,
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  Speaker 1: but is it strange to see that much regression defensively
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  Speaker 1: defensively in one year?
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  Speaker 3: Is that a leading question? Mike?
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  Speaker 4: A little bit, A little bit, Mark, I'd like to
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  Speaker 4: hear your opinion a little more. You played shortstop unwilling more.
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  Speaker 4: I have yet to really give you your opinion. You've
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  Speaker 4: teed me up a number of times, which.
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  Speaker 1: I said on the last show, this kid should be
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  Speaker 1: demoted from the leadoff spot.
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  Speaker 3: He should be hitting sixth or seventh. Heck, I you
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  Speaker 3: know we've.
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  Speaker 1: Talked about how you send a message for this kid.
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  Speaker 1: I would drop him down the eighth or ninth if
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  Speaker 1: that's what it took. But I did not play shortstop
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  Speaker 1: above the American Legion level, and I was a rag
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  Speaker 1: armed shortstop at that with no limited range. I am
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  Speaker 1: not going to even get into my shortstop play.
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  Speaker 3: Mark.
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  Speaker 1: You played in the big leagues. You've played defense at
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  Speaker 1: several positions. Played third base for a no hitter. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but you played third base, first base. I'm assuming you
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  Speaker 1: didn't have this kind of, you know, topsy turvy seasons defensively.
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  Speaker 3: It does seem kind of strange. I didn't, but I.
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  Speaker 4: Was never rated anywhere near what Zapp is capable of.
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  Speaker 4: True if I have come off like I was some
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  Speaker 4: sort of defensive wizard, I don't think that that's been
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  Speaker 4: the case. I've been very honest about I've tried to
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  Speaker 4: always be a good self evaluator, and I think that's
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  Speaker 4: what any big league player should strive to do a
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  Speaker 4: good job of. It's not always easy. In this case,
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  Speaker 4: I'm really not sure. Last night I messaged you aeronauto
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  Speaker 4: hit ball up the metal ended up going for a
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  Speaker 4: single and if you didn't look very closely, okay, that's fine.
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  Speaker 4: But that was a ball that I believe Nettle could
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  Speaker 4: have doved for and thrown out. And Nolan is not
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  Speaker 4: a fast runner to begin with. He's getting a lot older.
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  Speaker 4: He's one of the slowest runners in the league. And
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  Speaker 4: you want to talk about these defensive run saved. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: but he chose not to dive at all. He just
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  Speaker 4: kind of checked it off and the ball went through. Now,
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  Speaker 4: what do you have thrown him out first?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I think it would have been close, but I didn't
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  Speaker 4: see the effort. And never going to get on somebody
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  Speaker 4: that's scuffling if I see the effort, or I will
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  Speaker 4: try not to. And I think I've done a decent
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  Speaker 4: job of that. It's been Moncada so there, and if
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  Speaker 4: you're not hustling, you're gonna get it. And not in
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  Speaker 4: a way that's it's just that Tyler touched on it.
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  Speaker 4: That's something that you can control if you're unable or
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  Speaker 4: unwilling to give a good effort. I think that's where
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  Speaker 4: not only me as an ex player, but the fans,
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  Speaker 4: you know, they start to wonder what's up, you know,
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  Speaker 4: the big leagues, and this is something that should be standard,
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  Speaker 4: and when you don't see it, it makes you wonder
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  Speaker 4: what's going on out there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna take a quick break for a word
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  Speaker 1: little bit more about zach Netto and we'll get into
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  Speaker 1: Monday night's loss to the Diamondbacks.
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  Speaker 3: We'll be right back with more Halo Territory.
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  Speaker 1: And welcome back to Halo Territory with Mark Trumbo, Mike
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  Speaker 1: d Givanna, and Tyler rio Swell. We talked on the
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  Speaker 1: show about what needs to be done, what should be
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  Speaker 1: done to shake this kid up a little bit. I
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  Speaker 1: personally think you should try up and down in the order.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure you know, Kurtzuzuki or somebody who's maybe Mike Trout,
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  Speaker 1: somebody's taking them aside to speak to him. But starting
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  Speaker 1: to hear a little more rumblings that maybe this kid
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  Speaker 1: needs a little demotion to triple AID.
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  Speaker 3: To to to get them straight.
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  Speaker 1: Is that something either you guys would be in favor
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  Speaker 1: of Tyler? What do you think in this point his career,
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  Speaker 1: he's you know, a third fourth year player. Would that
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  Speaker 1: shake a kid up like this?
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  Speaker 2: I mean you would assume so, right obviously being being
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  Speaker 2: in the at the big league level, you know, for
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  Speaker 2: the amount of time he's been and then you know,
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  Speaker 2: kind of getting a shakedown and push down into you know,
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  Speaker 2: Triple A would be would be tough. Now again, the
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  Speaker 2: only thing I have on this is how is he
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  Speaker 2: going to respond? Is realistically it you know, if you're
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  Speaker 2: pouting on the field and you're you know, doing that
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  Speaker 2: stuff where everybody can see it, I'm sure being demoted
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  Speaker 2: isn't going to make him very happy.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of guys will basically take that and have it,
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  Speaker 2: you know, be fueled for them, and a lot of
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  Speaker 2: guys are also be pretty upset about it, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I've been here type deal. You know. Again, at the
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  Speaker 2: same time, like Mark was saying, all we're asking is
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  Speaker 2: is to make sure that if you are struggling, you're
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  Speaker 2: putting in the effort, you're getting your hard nineties, you're
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  Speaker 2: working hard, you maybe even get thrown out of a
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  Speaker 2: second base trying to turn you know, a single into
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  Speaker 2: a double because you're trying to maybe do a little
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  Speaker 2: bit more. Again, we're not ever asking guys to do
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  Speaker 2: more that gets them out of their element. But at
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  Speaker 2: the same time, you know again that that effort to
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  Speaker 2: be able to you know, help the team do something
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  Speaker 2: to win, you know, And that's again I would agree
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  Speaker 2: with it. Is it going to go well, Mark.
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  Speaker 1: Would you go that far? They're not going to send
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  Speaker 1: them down now, I don't think they would. But if
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  Speaker 1: you were, though, it's not going to happen.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I do think maybe hitting fifth again would be
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  Speaker 4: a good start that went well, it didn't last long.
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  Speaker 4: And the bottom line I mean is hitting leadoff and
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  Speaker 4: off hitters. For as long as I've played the game
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  Speaker 4: and I can remember, one of their main jobs is
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  Speaker 4: to get on base and set the table. To some degree,
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  Speaker 4: his approach at the plate is appears to be driving
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  Speaker 4: himself in every time, as opposed to now. Early in
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  Speaker 4: the year he took a ton of walks. Where that
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  Speaker 4: came from, I don't know if that was to prove
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  Speaker 4: a point to me. It's possible that someone got in
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  Speaker 4: his ear and he has the ability to do it.
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  Speaker 4: At the end of the day. The guy's ridiculously talented.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, he has range for days and incredibly strong arm,
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  Speaker 4: tons of power at the plate. But what's missing is
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  Speaker 4: the consistency. And if you want to earn the respect
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  Speaker 4: of the fans, the players, and the rest of the league,
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  Speaker 4: you do what you can to be consistent and keep
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  Speaker 4: a good attitude.
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  Speaker 3: And if you're you know you're bad. Is not hot.
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  Speaker 4: You know, you helped the team win some games on defense,
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  Speaker 4: but that's that's been sloppy and I've yet to see
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  Speaker 4: anybody on the report inside ask these questions, really really
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  Speaker 4: asked the questions. I know it's been touched on a
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  Speaker 4: little bit, but we haven't heard from Zach to the
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  Speaker 4: extent that I would like to maybe explain what's going
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  Speaker 4: on out there.
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  Speaker 1: Agreed, and for the record, I would not send Zach
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  Speaker 1: Netto down to triple A. I think that's an extreme
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  Speaker 1: move at this point of his career. I'm not saying
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  Speaker 1: you'd lose the player, you know you worry about that year.
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  Speaker 1: That cliche. I think it is a cliche. Maybe it
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  Speaker 1: would light a fire on him.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I think you definitely need to drop him in the order.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe earlier in the season there wasn't a very good
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  Speaker 1: leadoff option, but I think you have a couple options.
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  Speaker 1: You could put Paraz up there, especially against the lefty.
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  Speaker 1: You could put Meckler in the leadoff spot against the righty.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever it is, you drop Netto down the fifth, sixth, seventh,
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  Speaker 1: and you know a lot of managers will do that
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  Speaker 1: to quote unquote ease pressure on a guy. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think that's the problem with Zach. I just think he's
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  Speaker 1: not a leadoff hitter right now at this stage of
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  Speaker 1: his career, so why keep trying to put that square
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  Speaker 1: Pegan in the und on circle. All right, let's turn
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  Speaker 1: our attention to Monday night's game. Tough loss in Arizona.
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  Speaker 1: Games seemed to be going pretty well. Joe Adell with
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  Speaker 1: a nice two strike opposite field double in the first,
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  Speaker 1: Mike Trout with a nice opposite field home run in
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  Speaker 1: the fifth. Scores tied two to two. The top of
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  Speaker 1: the six, denser Guzman hits a two out single and
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  Speaker 1: gets picked off first base. Tyler, you're here a first
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: base coach at Irvine Valley? Is that your worst nightmare?
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  Speaker 1: Is a first base coach? And and what's going You know,
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  Speaker 1: how does a kid get picked off in that situation?
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  Speaker 1: Because I think the next pitch, Logan o'happy hit a
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  Speaker 1: double into the gap and right center that no doubt
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  Speaker 1: would have scored guzmaneled to go ahead run.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, realistically, I on on that end,
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  Speaker 2: it's personally, I think a lack of focus from the
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  Speaker 2: from the runner, from Denzer, you know, when they get
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  Speaker 2: to first base. You know, Mark, I'm pretty sure there
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  Speaker 2: they you know, did the same thing. But I had
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: the ability to to basically talk to you and learn
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: from Dino Evil. We were talking about basically coaching first
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: base and third base, and you know, he was saying
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: that you you basically have to let them know each
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: part of the scenario at all times. So so you
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: make sure that you went over it and then they know.
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: So I always tell the first base that the guys
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: when they get to first base, you know, hey, first off,
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: you and I are together, so we're going to do
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: this together. Now we got you know, we go through
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: out signs, runners, all that, you know, fielders, we do
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: all that. But yeah, in that sense, you know, you're
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: you're running over the situation, you know, basically saying, ay ball,
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: balls put in the gap, you're scoring here, so we
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: can make sure that we get no picks, no backpicks.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: It can't happen, you know, just for that for that reason.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: You know, Hopi's been been swinging it well lately. He
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: you know, gets some backspin on a ball, puts into
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: the gap. Arizona has some deep gaps, uh, you know,
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: and Denzer would have basically scored you know, standing up.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: You know, so that's it does get tough. But again,
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: like we've talked about, very young player. I know you
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: guys touched on the other day about the bunt that
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: he fielded that he should have just let go on
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: the line, you know, So those are those are the
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: the ebbs and flows right of having a young player
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: out there. Tons of talent, lots of bat speed, quick plays,
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: great defense. But at the same time, you know you're
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: gonna have plays that he doesn't make. You're gonna have
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: times where he, you know, gets picked off in a
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: big situation like that. Unfortunately that's part of it. But
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: you're hoping that you know, he learns from those as
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: well and knows that the next time this we get
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: into this situation, not so much short enough to lead,
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: but just again a little bit more, you know, hyper
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: focus on what's going on here and what can and
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: can't happen. And you know, I've always thought about you know,
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: you don't want to think about, oh, I can't get
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: picked off here, because more often than not, you're gonna.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: Get picked off.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, you know, understanding what you
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: have ahead of you, knowing that, yeah, I can't get
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: picked off because this is a big run here. Let's
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: make sure that we're a little bit smarter on the
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: bases ball in the gap, I'm scoring no matter what.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: So you know, just just in that regard, you know,
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: and and again if he does get picked off, you know,
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: we again, like I said, we're together. But at the
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: same time, you know, you're you're the athlete and you're
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: you're the you're the one that needs to make sure
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: that you see what you see and we get back
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: when we need to, and you know, so forth, Yeah.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: We've seen some good things.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: Some dens are on both sides of the ball mark
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: is that just part of the growing pains of a
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: young player like that.
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: He got caught off guard by a well above average
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: pickoff move. Jared Weaver had one as well, And this
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: is the difference in the big leagues. You'll see stuff
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: that you're not going to see before. And he, in
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: my opinion, probably had no clue how good the pickoff
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: move was and how quick for a right hander he
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: was able to get the ball over. So, I mean,
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: there's a long lease with this kid. He at times
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: does look like he's experiencing things for the first time,
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: but I think he's held his own. He's played a
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: nice third base in my eyes. He definitely has the
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: bat speed he's got some clutch hits and if they're
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: going to give him a room to grow, then you
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: know what, I'm fine seeing stuff like this. It's it's
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: airing on the side of aggressiveness, and you know we
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: can handle that.
• 18:59
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  Speaker 1: Hey, Welcome back to Halo Territory with Mark Trumbo, Mike
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Di Giovanna, and Tyler Rio. So manager Kurtzuzuki extended Walbert
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Urania to the seventh inning Monday night and didn't go
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: too well. Uh. He hits Lawlor with an O two
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: pitch two change up to open the inning, picks off Waller,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: which is great. Then he gives up a solo homer
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: to Pevin Smith off the right field foul poll Marte single,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Perdomo RBI double, four to two lead. Donovan Walton, who
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: we've talked about, cuts it to one without a solo homer,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: but the Angels go on to lose.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: Urania. Not a bad game, seven hits.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: He gave up four runs, three earned, two walks, three strikeouts.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Not as uh, not as much swing and miss as
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: we've seen from him. Mark, what'd you think of Urania
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: last night?
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: Uh?
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: Good to get him into that seventh inning, at least
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: I think it was.
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: I think that anytime one of the Angels starters can
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: go deeper into the games, it's good for the bullpen,
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: as the bullpen is improving, but there are guys with
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: some usage issues and some injury concerns. They made through
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: Pomerance was DFA. I have yet to see any explanation
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: why early performance wasn't good. More recent performance has been better.
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: Getting back to Walbert, his stuff actually rated as a
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: D on the Pictureless PLV. I was surprised, but I
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: think the reality was his sinker and his change up.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: There's not enough movement, especially his change up is lacking
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: a lot of vertical break. So when you're seeing not
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: as many whiffs, I think that that is a decent explanation.
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: Why sweet as sweeper we've been, or at least I've
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: been hoping to see more of them. He did use
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: it more yesterday and one quick note. A couple of
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: quick notes. It's interesting his home record is four and
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: one with a one to eighty five. He's zero and
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: four on the road with a three eight six. The
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: ops on the road is eight twenty nine and at
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: home it is five eighteen, so it's a small sample size,
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: but the early numbers at least proved to him being
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: very good at home and not as good on the road.
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: I think the opposite about Soriano was, you know, said
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: previous seasons, so monitor that going forward. But he still
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: turned I mean, he went seven innings and he gave
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: his team a chance to win the game and they
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: weren't able to. But I still thought he did a
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: very nice job managing a team. The Diamondbacks do not
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: strike out, by the way. They have the third lowest
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: strikeouts in baseball. So it's it's probably and it'll be
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: interesting tonight with Deptmer's, who's been on quite the role.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: If he mows them down, then that's really saying something
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: because they don't hit for any power generally speaking. But
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: they also don't.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Angels, of course notoriously struggled to draft and
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: develop starting pitchers. But you know, read Debt Meers is
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: really seems to be having a breakout year.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: And Walbert Urana.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: I don't think he came out of nowhere anywhere, because
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: we did talk him a little about him a little
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: bit in spring training. But Tyler is an Angels fan.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Does this have you a little excited at least some
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: hope for the future in terms of a rotation that
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: you know, could be built around some youngish, homegrown starters.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Oh definitely, you know, like you said he was, he
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: was highlighted a little bit in spring training and then
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: you know, of course the big fastball, right. I think
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: he basically came on the scene. He was one o
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: two and you know, but at the end of the days,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: it's pitching, right, so to basically see him in there,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: you know, I like him going seven as well, like
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: like Mark said, to be able to keep it hopefully
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: a little bit lighter day on the bullpen. You know,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: whenever an Angel starter goes more than five six innings,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: it's awesome, you know. And to see you know, like
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: you said, the swing and miss stuff wasn't entirely there.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: You know, a lot of like like Mark said, a
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: lot of horizontal horizontal break, not a lot of vertical break,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: which you know, my grandfather played professional baseball, and he
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: had talked to me about this when we pitched. Was
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: the bat is thirty two inches long, thirty three inches long,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: you know, the barrels twenty inches long. It's only two
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: and five eighths inches wide. So if you get a curveball,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: you wanted to curve and break down because you only
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: have a certain amount of space to hit the baseball
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: rather than a slider or a change up that's you know,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: moving laterally. Well, you know they still have you know,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: room and space to hit a baseball realistically with the barrel,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: you know. So I always always thought about that, and
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: last night kind of came up because the change ups
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: were they were good, they're you know in terms of
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: changing speeds, yes, but it was a lot of horizontal movement,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: you know, a lot of stuff that was pronating, but
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: you know, off to the the arm side, so you know,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: you get a little bit more downward movement, you know,
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: a little bit a little bit more on top of
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: the change up and a little bit more you're going
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: to get that downward movement, which obviously is going to
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: create some more swinging miss right. So you know, again,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: young kid coming coming up and through, super excited to see.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: But you know, definitely, you know, has some stuff to
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: work on, just like every player everybody does all the time. Right, So,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: but very very promising to see.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Yes, all right, we're gonna close the show talking about
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Logan o'happy the Angels Catcher. I want to catch you
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: up to a story that Jeff Fletcher, the Orange County
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Register wrote over the weekend on Logan and in this story,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Ohapi acknowledged that he was he's been impacted by speculation
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: that he would be demoted to Triple A, and that
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: motive motivated him to snap out of his funk. Here
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: some of his quotes, quote, you come to games thinking
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: you're gonna get sent down, Ohap, He said, I know
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: that things happen like that. It made sense when I
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: was not playing well. I still have to prove it.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: It's not like I'm going to be up here forever.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: I have to prove it every day. But that's the
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: writing on the wall and I'm talking about. And he
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: went on to say, I don't care if I have
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: to get the key and lock the place up. I'm
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: taking that approach forward and it's helped my peace of
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: mind more than it has physically. Mark As much as
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: this kid has struggled in the last year and for
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: big chunks of this year, is that the kind of
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: effort you really like to see?
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: I think so. Yeah, he had a really nice swing.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: Tyler touched on it line drive to right center field
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: last night. That looks like the best version of him
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: in my opinion. I've talked about some of the off
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: season work, the overly pole happy trendy stuff that for
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: some it probably is really good. For a guy like
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: Logan who actually does an inherent ability to use the
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: whole field and use right center in particular with power,
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: it's a shame to not use it your advantage, and
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: I think the early swings this year were seeking something
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: I know I believe. In that article as well, he
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: talked about reverting to a routine that he had I
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: think in Australia when he was nineteen or so.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure.
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: Exactly what the routine is or how it came about,
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: but I think that he's gone back to some things
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: that have been a staple of him as a player
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: and as a hitter. You dance with the one that
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: you brought or whatever that's saying is you would probably know, Mike,
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: what is the same?
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to write you dance with the one
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: who brought you, you came with whatever.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know sixties term. But I think that.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: You know what's he's when he's playing, well, you know
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: things are obviously going to be better. But if he
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: can get in a place where mentally he's confident, and
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: I think that the team is going to benefit big time.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: His catching is improving, I think he's put a lot
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: of effort in there, and regardless of any of it,
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: the effort will be commended at least on This shows
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: the stress is a tough thing the big leagues. You
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: can't really prepare for it, and you're gonna need some
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: help along the way. You're gonna need a lot of
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: help along the way, and you need to be open
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: to receiving that help. Sometimes it comes from places you
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: wouldn't expect either. But if this is the Logan that
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: we're gonna see moving forward and the rest of the year,
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: this is a big addition and a big plus for
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: the ball club.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Logan's overall number is still not great to twenty
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: one with a six twenty four ops, three homer, seven doubles,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: seventeen RBIs in the season, but over his last seven
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: games for twenty one batting average eight for nineteen, a homer,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: three doubles, four RBIs and only four strikeouts, So not
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: too shabby. And here's what Logan also said, about his
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: recent play impacting his mental state of mind. I can't
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: even put it into words how much better it feels.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: I know it's only been a week or two, but
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: it's really improved my quality of life. Not playing as
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: well as you have in the past at this level
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: is something that is really hard to deal with. I
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: try to do the best I can, but it's not easy.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: I'm happy that I felt that feeling again over the
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: past week or two because it's something that I've been
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: looking for for over a year. We get one quick
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: question to Tyler and then I want Mark to comment
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: on that to close the show. Tyler, I don't know
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: at Angel fans started to give up on this kid,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: and I know it's only a week or two stretch
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: where he's starting to swing the bat like you can
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: maybe restore a little faith in the minds of Angel fans.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, I wouldn't say giving up,
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: but I mean obviously very frustrated. Again, you know, somebody
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: who knows the farm and knows where you're at in
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: terms of you know, when we trade players. Man, I
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: was super super happy about Logan of Hobby, especially because
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: there was really no backstop that the Angels had right.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: It was actually really simple. When he first came up,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: I think it was only like a heel up, heel down.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: So it was like this guy, this guy's gonna be
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: able to hit. We're gonna have a little hitting catcher
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: throw some guys out and then yeah, then, like Mark said,
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't know, maybe he was in search
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: for something else. Obviously a big stature guy. You know, again,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: catching could be a power hitting spot as well. But
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: at the end of the day, I mean, we all
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: know when you're when you're chasing homers or you're chasing
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: you know, big flies and having you know, putting the
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: ball out into the outfield, it usually doesn't end very well.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: That's exactly why you get line the line and you know,
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: those balls stay are also called fair because once you
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: are able to stay on a baseball as a hitter,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: it opens up the whole field. And then you catch
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: a ball out in front and it goes four hundred
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: and thirty feet and you're you're super happy about it, right,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: But that wasn't the goal. So I think he's getting
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: back to that a little bit and being able to
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: kind of stay on a baseball. Like we said, Mark,
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: you know that that backside double is nice to see. Obviously,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: you're staying on pitches, You're staying on the ball, You're
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: trying to get get beat deep realistically, and then when
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: that happens, you know, of course, your your athletics and
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: and you know your your abilities are going to be
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: able to take over, you know, and get your barrel
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: to the ball, and so you standing on second base realistically.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: So I'm glad that he's been able to kind of
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: mentally switch it and hopefully we see this Logan O
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: hope going forward.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we've seen comments like this from Logan in the past,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: so I can't say they were totally surprising. But Mark,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: as we know, big league ballplayers are notorious for their toughness,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: their mental toughness, for not showing any kind of weakness.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: What do you think of the fact that Logan was
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: this transparent admitting that you know, he feared being sent
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: down to triple A, that he actually heard the noise,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: the buzz out there that you see and here on
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: social media. Is that any bit of a surprise as
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: a former player to hear that from a current player,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: or is it maybe good.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: For him to be this open about his feelings. Yeah,
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: he's not a surprise.
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: It's what every player that doesn't And even if you
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  Speaker 4: have a huge deal, doesn't guarantee you're gonna always be
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  Speaker 4: on the field. You got to put up the numbers
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  Speaker 4: and you have to bring it. You have to be
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  Speaker 4: someone that the team can count on. Otherwise you lose
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  Speaker 4: playing time or you lose your gig. I think with
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  Speaker 4: Logan put it into their words, it's probably the next
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  Speaker 4: best thing. It actually happening, and if he were, if
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  Speaker 4: it were to happen, which you know, he's headed in
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  Speaker 4: the right direction. So hopefully this is the end of
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  Speaker 4: this talk, but it's not the end of the world
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  Speaker 4: if he were to go down and get a reset.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, he's still the best option they have a
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  Speaker 4: catcher by far. He has a ton of potential. I
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  Speaker 4: think it's about getting to a place where he's doing
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  Speaker 4: the right work, the right drill work with the bat.
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  Speaker 4: I think he's a lot more confident player when he's hitting,
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  Speaker 4: no surprise, but maybe a little bit more than most
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  Speaker 4: because the bat is one of his big, big calling cards,
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  Speaker 4: and it's you know, it's a good thing.
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  Speaker 3: He put it out there.
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  Speaker 4: It's people aren't crushing him for it. It's it's just
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  Speaker 4: real life, and it's relatable, and I think it'll be
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  Speaker 4: a good thing in the in the long run.
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  Speaker 1: All Right, we'll close the show with that. Thanks for
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  Speaker 1: tuning in, Thanks for listening today. Please like and subscribe,
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  Speaker 1: and we'll see you next time on Halo Territory.