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Exploring the Intersection of Football History: Colgate vs. Illinois 1916 · Sports History Network

• 0:57
  Hello,
• 0:57
  football
• 0:57
  friends.
• 0:58
  This
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  is
• 0:58
  Darren.
• 0:58
  He
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  has
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  a
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  pigskin
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  dispatch.
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  You
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  know,
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  it's
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  time
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  to
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  just
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  sit
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  back,
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  get
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  that
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  comfortable
• 1:02
  chair,
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  you
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  know,
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  put
• 1:03
  your
• 1:03
  feet
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  up
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  a
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  little
• 1:04
  bit.
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  And
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  it's
• 1:04
  time
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  to
• 1:05
  talk
• 1:05
  and
• 1:05
  soak
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  in
• 1:06
  some
• 1:06
  good
• 1:07
  football
• 1:07
  history
• 1:08
  and
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  learn
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  a
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  little
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  something,
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  have
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  a
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  little
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  bit
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  of
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  fun.
• 1:10
  Timothy
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  P.
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  Brown
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  of
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  Football
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  Archaeology
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  joins
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  us,
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  as
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  he
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  does
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  every
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  Tuesday,
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  to
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  talk
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  about
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  a
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  piece
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  that
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  he's
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  written
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  about
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  about
• 1:17
  some
• 1:17
  archaeological
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  dig
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  that
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  he's
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  done
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  for
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  football.
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  Tim,
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  welcome
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  back
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  to
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  the
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  Pig
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  Pen.
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  Hey
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  Darin,
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  good,
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  good
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  to
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  see
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  you
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  again.
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  And
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  I'm
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  hoping
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  this
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  is,
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  you
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  know,
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  we're
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  going
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  to
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  talk
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  about
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  a
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  story
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  where
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  one
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  school,
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  you
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  know,
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  brushes
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  away
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  the
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  other
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  a
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  little
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  bit.
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  Yeah,
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  this
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  is
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  always
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  a
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  fun
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  school
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  when
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  you
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  talk
• 1:36
  about
• 1:36
  these
• 1:37
  schools
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  that
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  were,
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  you
• 1:38
  know,
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  once
• 1:38
  upon
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  a
• 1:39
  time
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  or
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  sort
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  of
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  the
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  more
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  considered
• 1:42
  the
• 1:42
  powerhouses,
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  the
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  major
• 1:43
  schools,
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  maybe
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  not
• 1:44
  so
• 1:44
  much
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  today,
• 1:45
  but
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  this
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  is
• 1:46
  a
• 1:46
  story
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  you
• 1:46
  wrote
• 1:47
  about
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  Colgate
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  In
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  Illinois
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  and
• 1:49
  1916,
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  intersectionality
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  of
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  the
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  game
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  in
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  your
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  tidbit.
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  What
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  can
• 1:55
  you
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  tell
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  us
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  about
• 1:55
  this,
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  Tim?
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  Yeah,
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  yeah.
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  So
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  this
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  is
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  one
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  where
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  I
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  think
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  the,
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  it's
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  just
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  so
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  interesting
• 2:01
  me
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  sometimes
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  how
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  transportation
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  technology
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  has
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  changed
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  the
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  game.
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  You
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  know,
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  I've
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  got
• 2:08
  a
• 2:08
  bunch
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  of
• 2:08
  different
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  articles
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  out
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  there
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  about,
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  you
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  know,
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  teams
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  and
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  their
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  itineraries
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  taking
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  a
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  train
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  trip
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  across
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  the
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  country
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  and,
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  or
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  the
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  first
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  ones
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  to
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  travel
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  by
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  plane
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  and
• 2:17
  things
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  like
• 2:18
  that.
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  And
• 2:19
  you
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  know,
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  it's
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  just
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  one
• 2:20
  of
• 2:20
  those
• 2:20
  deals
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  where,
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  where
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  schools
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  just
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  teams
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  didn't
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  travel
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  very
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  far.
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  You
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  know,
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  we
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  think
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  of
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  inner,
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  you
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  know,
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  like
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  the
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  Big
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  Ten,
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  you
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  know,
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  Rutgers
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  to
• 2:30
  the
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  West
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  Coast.
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  Right.
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  You
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  know,
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  that's
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  just
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  one
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  conference
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  and,
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  and
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  even
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  though
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  that's
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  hard
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  on
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  players
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  or
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  athletes
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  more
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  generally,
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  it's
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  still
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  just
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  three,
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  four
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  hours
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  flight.
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  Right.
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  So
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  but
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  back
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  in
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  the
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  day,
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  you
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  know,
• 2:47
  teams
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  just
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  did
• 2:48
  not
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  travel
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  much
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  and
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  so
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  intersectional
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  games
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  were,
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  were
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  rare.
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  And
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  so
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  just,
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  you
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  know,
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  as
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  for
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  instance,
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  you
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  know,
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  we're
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  talking
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  Illinois
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  and
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  Colgate.
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  Let's
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  cover
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  Illinois.
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  First.
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  Bob
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  Zuppge
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  becomes
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  a
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  coach
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  at
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  Illinois
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  in
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  1913.
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  He
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  goes
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  4,
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  2
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  and
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  1,
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  then
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  7
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  and
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  oh,
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  you
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  know,
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  sharing
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  a
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  retroactive
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  national
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  title
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  and
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  then
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  502
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  in
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  his
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  first
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  three
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  years.
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  That
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  and
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  then
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  they
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  opened
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  the
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  1916
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  season
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  with
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  the
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  30
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  to
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  nothing
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  win
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  over
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  Kansas.
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  So
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  that
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  meant
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  that,
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  you
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  know,
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  going
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  into
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  the
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  second
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  game
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  of
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  the
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  season
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  in
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  1916,
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  they
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  hadn't
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  lost
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  since
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  1913.
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  Right.
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  So
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  not,
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  not
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  a
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  bad
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  record.
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  Right.
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  So
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  Illinois
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  up
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  to
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  that
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  point
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  Colgate
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  was
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  only
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  going
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  to
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  be
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  the
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  third
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  Eastern
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  team
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  that
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  they
• 3:43
  played.
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  They
• 3:43
  played
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  Syracuse
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  in
• 3:44
  1909
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  and
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  1910,
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  home
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  and
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  away.
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  And
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  then
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  they
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  played
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  Carlisle
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  in
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  1897
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  and
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  1898,
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  both
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  games
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  in
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  Chicago.
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  Colgate,
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  on
• 3:55
  the
• 3:55
  other
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  hand,
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  you
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  know,
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  they
• 3:57
  were
• 3:57
  a
• 3:57
  winning
• 3:57
  program
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  at
• 3:58
  the
• 3:58
  time.
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  The
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  previous
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  year
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  they.
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  They
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  beaten
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  army
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  and
• 4:01
  Yale,
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  which
• 4:02
  was,
• 4:02
  you
• 4:02
  know,
• 4:03
  considered,
• 4:03
  you
• 4:03
  know,
• 4:03
  big
• 4:04
  deal.
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  But
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  they
• 4:05
  also
• 4:06
  hadn't
• 4:06
  traveled
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  much.
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  So
• 4:07
  they
• 4:07
  had
• 4:07
  played
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  Carnegie
• 4:08
  Tech
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  in
• 4:09
  Pittsburgh
• 4:10
  in
• 4:10
  1909
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  and
• 4:12
  they
• 4:12
  had
• 4:12
  hosted
• 4:13
  Ohio
• 4:13
  Wesleyan
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  in
• 4:14
  1914.
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  So
• 4:16
  other
• 4:17
  than
• 4:17
  that,
• 4:17
  they
• 4:17
  had
• 4:18
  never
• 4:18
  played
• 4:18
  another
• 4:18
  intersectional
• 4:19
  game,
• 4:19
  you
• 4:20
  know,
• 4:20
  and
• 4:20
  I'm
• 4:20
  assuming
• 4:21
  like
• 4:22
  playing
• 4:22
  Navy
• 4:23
  or
• 4:23
  something
• 4:23
  like
• 4:23
  that
• 4:23
  was
• 4:23
  not,
• 4:24
  you
• 4:24
  know,
• 4:24
  so
• 4:24
  Mid
• 4:25
  Atlantic,
• 4:26
  Northern
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  Mid
• 4:27
  Atlantic
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  and
• 4:28
  New
• 4:28
  England
• 4:28
  was
• 4:28
  kind
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  of
• 4:29
  the
• 4:29
  teams
• 4:29
  they
• 4:29
  played.
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  Plus
• 4:31
  you
• 4:31
  got
• 4:32
  the
• 4:32
  contrast,
• 4:32
  you
• 4:32
  know,
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  Illinois
• 4:33
  at
• 4:34
  the
• 4:34
  time,
• 4:34
  state
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  land
• 4:35
  Grant
• 4:35
  Institution,
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  5,000
• 4:37
  students.
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  Colgate's
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  a
• 4:39
  little,
• 4:39
  you
• 4:39
  know,
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  originally
• 4:40
  as
• 4:40
  a
• 4:40
  Baptist
• 4:41
  school,
• 4:41
  but,
• 4:41
  you
• 4:41
  know,
• 4:41
  non
• 4:42
  sectarian
• 4:42
  by
• 4:43
  then,
• 4:44
  only,
• 4:44
  you
• 4:44
  know,
• 4:45
  700
• 4:45
  or
• 4:46
  575
• 4:47
  students,
• 4:47
  all
• 4:48
  male.
• 4:48
  On
• 4:49
  the
• 4:49
  other
• 4:49
  hand.
• 4:50
  So
• 4:51
  colgate
• 4:51
  starts
• 4:52
  the
• 4:52
  16
• 4:52
  season.
• 4:52
  They
• 4:53
  beat
• 4:54
  Susquehanna
• 4:55
  and
• 4:55
  Maine,
• 4:57
  and
• 4:57
  Illinois
• 4:58
  had
• 4:58
  this
• 4:59
  guy
• 4:59
  named
• 4:59
  Ralph
• 5:00
  Jones
• 5:00
  scout
• 5:01
  the
• 5:01
  main
• 5:01
  game.
• 5:02
  Now,
• 5:03
  you
• 5:03
  know,
• 5:04
  Ralph
• 5:05
  Jones
• 5:05
  isn't
• 5:06
  known
• 5:06
  to
• 5:06
  everybody,
• 5:07
  but
• 5:07
  he
• 5:08
  won.
• 5:08
  He
• 5:08
  was
• 5:09
  an
• 5:09
  assistant
• 5:09
  football
• 5:09
  coach.
• 5:10
  He
• 5:10
  also
• 5:10
  won
• 5:11
  the
• 5:11
  national
• 5:11
  championship
• 5:12
  in
• 5:12
  basketball
• 5:13
  in
• 5:13
  1915.
• 5:14
  Coaching
• 5:15
  Illinois.
• 5:17
  He
• 5:18
  led
• 5:18
  the
• 5:18
  Chicago
• 5:18
  Bears
• 5:19
  the
• 5:19
  1932
• 5:21
  NFL
• 5:21
  title.
• 5:22
  And
• 5:22
  he,
• 5:23
  along
• 5:23
  with
• 5:23
  Hallis
• 5:24
  and
• 5:24
  Clark
• 5:24
  Shaughnessy,
• 5:26
  invented
• 5:26
  the
• 5:26
  modern
• 5:26
  key
• 5:27
  formation.
• 5:27
  So,
• 5:28
  you
• 5:28
  know,
• 5:28
  this
• 5:28
  is
• 5:28
  a
• 5:28
  real.
• 5:28
  This
• 5:29
  guy
• 5:29
  knew
• 5:29
  his
• 5:29
  stuff,
• 5:30
  right?
• 5:31
  Even
• 5:31
  though
• 5:31
  he's
• 5:32
  primarily
• 5:32
  a
• 5:32
  basketball
• 5:33
  coach.
• 5:34
  And
• 5:35
  he
• 5:35
  claimed
• 5:35
  after
• 5:35
  scouting
• 5:36
  Colgate
• 5:37
  that
• 5:37
  they
• 5:37
  were
• 5:37
  better
• 5:38
  than
• 5:38
  anyone
• 5:38
  in
• 5:39
  the
• 5:39
  Midwest
• 5:39
  other
• 5:39
  than
• 5:40
  Minnesota.
• 5:41
  Minnesota.
• 5:42
  You
• 5:42
  know,
• 5:43
  so
• 5:43
  anyways,
• 5:45
  and
• 5:45
  it's
• 5:46
  also
• 5:46
  the.
• 5:46
  It
• 5:46
  was
• 5:47
  the
• 5:47
  first
• 5:47
  intersectional
• 5:48
  game
• 5:48
  of
• 5:48
  the
• 5:48
  year
• 5:49
  across
• 5:49
  the
• 5:50
  nation.
• 5:50
  So,
• 5:50
  you
• 5:50
  know,
• 5:51
  it
• 5:51
  just
• 5:51
  got
• 5:51
  more
• 5:52
  newspaper
• 5:52
  coverage
• 5:52
  than
• 5:53
  you
• 5:53
  would
• 5:53
  think
• 5:53
  it
• 5:53
  would
• 5:53
  get.
• 5:56
  As
• 5:56
  it
• 5:56
  turned
• 5:57
  out,
• 5:58
  Colgate
• 5:59
  that
• 5:59
  year
• 6:00
  had
• 6:00
  three
• 6:01
  guys
• 6:01
  make
• 6:01
  Walter
• 6:02
  Camp's
• 6:02
  first
• 6:02
  team
• 6:03
  All
• 6:03
  American
• 6:04
  team,
• 6:05
  their
• 6:05
  quarterback,
• 6:06
  and
• 6:06
  then
• 6:06
  two
• 6:07
  offensive
• 6:07
  tackles.
• 6:08
  So
• 6:08
  they
• 6:08
  have
• 6:08
  pretty
• 6:08
  good
• 6:09
  offensive
• 6:09
  line
• 6:10
  and
• 6:10
  they
• 6:10
  basically
• 6:11
  were
• 6:11
  just.
• 6:11
  They
• 6:11
  dominated
• 6:13
  and
• 6:14
  they
• 6:14
  only
• 6:14
  won
• 6:14
  15,
• 6:15
  three.
• 6:15
  But,
• 6:15
  you
• 6:15
  know,
• 6:15
  they
• 6:16
  still.
• 6:16
  For
• 6:17
  them
• 6:17
  to
• 6:17
  go
• 6:17
  out
• 6:17
  and
• 6:17
  beat
• 6:18
  Illinois,
• 6:18
  who
• 6:19
  two
• 6:19
  years,
• 6:19
  you
• 6:20
  know,
• 6:20
  was
• 6:20
  seven
• 6:20
  and
• 6:21
  oh,
• 6:21
  the
• 6:21
  previous,
• 6:21
  you
• 6:22
  know,
• 6:22
  seven
• 6:22
  and
• 6:22
  oh,
• 6:23
  and
• 6:23
  then
• 6:23
  five
• 6:23
  on
• 6:23
  two,
• 6:24
  you
• 6:24
  know,
• 6:24
  that's
• 6:24
  pretty
• 6:25
  good
• 6:25
  football.
• 6:26
  And.
• 6:26
  And
• 6:27
  then
• 6:27
  they
• 6:27
  went
• 6:27
  on
• 6:27
  to
• 6:27
  an
• 6:27
  8
• 6:28
  and
• 6:28
  1
• 6:28
  season.
• 6:28
  I
• 6:28
  forget
• 6:28
  who
• 6:29
  they
• 6:29
  lost
• 6:29
  to,
• 6:30
  but,
• 6:31
  you
• 6:31
  know,
• 6:31
  it
• 6:31
  just
• 6:32
  in.
• 6:32
  So
• 6:33
  they
• 6:33
  were
• 6:33
  a
• 6:33
  really
• 6:33
  good
• 6:34
  eastern
• 6:34
  team
• 6:34
  at
• 6:35
  the
• 6:35
  time.
• 6:35
  But
• 6:36
  then
• 6:36
  over
• 6:36
  the
• 6:36
  years,
• 6:37
  you
• 6:37
  know,
• 6:38
  I
• 6:39
  think
• 6:39
  their
• 6:39
  last
• 6:40
  game
• 6:40
  against
• 6:40
  a
• 6:40
  Big
• 6:41
  Ten
• 6:41
  team
• 6:41
  might
• 6:41
  have
• 6:41
  been
• 6:42
  in
• 6:42
  the
• 6:42
  40s,
• 6:43
  but
• 6:43
  they
• 6:43
  were
• 6:43
  like,
• 6:44
  they
• 6:44
  went
• 6:44
  3,
• 6:44
  5,
• 6:44
  and
• 6:45
  1
• 6:45
  against
• 6:45
  the
• 6:45
  Big
• 6:45
  Ten
• 6:46
  over
• 6:47
  that
• 6:47
  period.
• 6:48
  Then
• 6:48
  they
• 6:48
  went
• 6:49
  24,
• 6:49
  37,
• 6:50
  1
• 6:51
  against
• 6:51
  future
• 6:51
  Big
• 6:52
  Ten
• 6:52
  teams
• 6:52
  because
• 6:53
  they.
• 6:53
  They
• 6:53
  had
• 6:54
  a
• 6:54
  long
• 6:54
  series
• 6:55
  with
• 6:55
  Michigan
• 6:55
  State,
• 6:56
  long
• 6:56
  series
• 6:57
  with
• 6:57
  Penn
• 6:57
  State,
• 6:58
  Rutgers.
• 6:58
  They
• 6:59
  played
• 6:59
  for
• 6:59
  a
• 6:59
  long
• 7:00
  time,
• 7:00
  and
• 7:00
  then
• 7:00
  they
• 7:00
  played
• 7:01
  in
• 7:01
  Nebraska,
• 7:01
  you
• 7:01
  know,
• 7:02
  once
• 7:02
  or
• 7:02
  twice.
• 7:03
  So,
• 7:04
  you
• 7:04
  know,
• 7:04
  they
• 7:05
  still
• 7:05
  were.
• 7:05
  Could
• 7:06
  be
• 7:06
  competitive,
• 7:07
  you
• 7:07
  know,
• 7:08
  through,
• 7:10
  you
• 7:10
  know,
• 7:10
  maybe
• 7:11
  through
• 7:11
  the
• 7:12
  70s,
• 7:12
  you
• 7:13
  know,
• 7:13
  but
• 7:14
  by
• 7:14
  that
• 7:14
  point,
• 7:15
  they
• 7:15
  were
• 7:15
  definitely
• 7:15
  tailing
• 7:16
  off
• 7:16
  in
• 7:16
  terms
• 7:16
  of.
• 7:17
  They
• 7:17
  just
• 7:17
  didn't
• 7:17
  have
• 7:17
  the
• 7:17
  manpower.
• 7:19
  So
• 7:19
  anyways,
• 7:19
  I
• 7:20
  mean,
• 7:20
  so
• 7:20
  it's
• 7:20
  one
• 7:20
  of
• 7:21
  those
• 7:21
  things
• 7:21
  where,
• 7:22
  you
• 7:23
  know,
• 7:23
  back
• 7:23
  then,
• 7:24
  the
• 7:25
  big
• 7:25
  schools
• 7:25
  weren't
• 7:25
  that
• 7:26
  big,
• 7:27
  and
• 7:27
  if
• 7:28
  a
• 7:28
  small
• 7:28
  school
• 7:29
  really
• 7:29
  wanted
• 7:29
  to
• 7:29
  have
• 7:29
  a
• 7:29
  pretty
• 7:30
  good
• 7:30
  football
• 7:30
  team,
• 7:30
  they
• 7:31
  could
• 7:31
  do
• 7:31
  it
• 7:32
  and
• 7:32
  they
• 7:32
  could
• 7:32
  be
• 7:33
  competitive
• 7:33
  with.
• 7:34
  With
• 7:34
  anyone.
• 7:36
  And
• 7:36
  so
• 7:37
  the
• 7:37
  funny
• 7:38
  thing
• 7:38
  was
• 7:38
  that,
• 7:38
  you
• 7:39
  know,
• 7:39
  when
• 7:39
  I
• 7:39
  wrote
• 7:39
  this
• 7:39
  article,
• 7:40
  which
• 7:40
  I
• 7:40
  guess
• 7:40
  I
• 7:41
  put
• 7:41
  it
• 7:41
  up
• 7:42
  February
• 7:42
  2nd,
• 7:42
  so
• 7:43
  not
• 7:43
  too
• 7:43
  long
• 7:44
  after
• 7:44
  the
• 7:44
  national
• 7:44
  championship,
• 7:45
  you
• 7:45
  know,
• 7:46
  occurred,
• 7:48
  you
• 7:48
  know,
• 7:48
  I
• 7:48
  was
• 7:48
  just
• 7:48
  thinking
• 7:49
  about,
• 7:49
  you
• 7:49
  know,
• 7:50
  in
• 7:50
  just
• 7:50
  the
• 7:51
  past
• 7:51
  couple
• 7:51
  of
• 7:51
  years,
• 7:53
  and
• 7:53
  especially
• 7:53
  this
• 7:54
  past
• 7:54
  year,
• 7:55
  you
• 7:55
  know,
• 7:55
  small
• 7:56
  schools
• 7:57
  have
• 7:57
  kind
• 7:57
  of
• 7:58
  faded,
• 7:58
  but
• 7:59
  now
• 7:59
  it
• 7:59
  seems
• 8:00
  like
• 8:00
  they're
• 8:00
  maybe
• 8:00
  making
• 8:01
  a
• 8:01
  little
• 8:01
  bit
• 8:01
  of
• 8:01
  comeback
• 8:02
  in
• 8:02
  the
• 8:02
  NIL
• 8:03
  era.
• 8:03
  If
• 8:04
  you
• 8:04
  have
• 8:04
  one
• 8:05
  alum
• 8:05
  who's
• 8:05
  really
• 8:06
  willing
• 8:06
  to
• 8:06
  dump
• 8:06
  some
• 8:06
  money
• 8:07
  in
• 8:08
  or
• 8:08
  enough
• 8:09
  wealthy
• 8:09
  alums
• 8:10
  who
• 8:10
  want
• 8:10
  to
• 8:10
  put
• 8:10
  some
• 8:10
  money
• 8:10
  in,
• 8:11
  then
• 8:11
  you
• 8:11
  can
• 8:12
  do
• 8:12
  some.
• 8:12
  So
• 8:12
  just,
• 8:13
  you
• 8:13
  know,
• 8:13
  in
• 8:13
  the
• 8:13
  past
• 8:13
  year
• 8:14
  or
• 8:14
  two,
• 8:14
  Duke,
• 8:16
  Tulane,
• 8:16
  SMU,
• 8:17
  and
• 8:17
  Vanity
• 8:18
  have
• 8:18
  all
• 8:19
  been
• 8:19
  pretty
• 8:19
  darn
• 8:19
  good
• 8:20
  football
• 8:20
  programs.
• 8:20
  And
• 8:21
  none
• 8:21
  of
• 8:21
  those
• 8:21
  are
• 8:21
  big
• 8:21
  schools,
• 8:22
  you
• 8:22
  know,
• 8:23
  I
• 8:23
  mean,
• 8:23
  like,
• 8:23
  USC
• 8:24
  is
• 8:24
  private,
• 8:24
  but
• 8:24
  they've
• 8:24
  got
• 8:25
  like
• 8:25
  25
• 8:25
  or
• 8:25
  30,000
• 8:26
  students.
• 8:26
  Right.
• 8:27
  Whereas
• 8:27
  these
• 8:27
  are
• 8:28
  all
• 8:28
  schools,
• 8:29
  seven,
• 8:30
  8,000
• 8:31
  undergrads,
• 8:31
  you
• 8:32
  know,
• 8:32
  something
• 8:32
  like
• 8:32
  that.
• 8:33
  So.
• 8:35
  And,
• 8:35
  you
• 8:35
  know,
• 8:35
  I
• 8:35
  may
• 8:35
  have
• 8:36
  the
• 8:36
  numbers
• 8:36
  off
• 8:36
  for
• 8:36
  somebody,
• 8:37
  you
• 8:37
  know,
• 8:37
  but
• 8:37
  none
• 8:38
  of
• 8:38
  them
• 8:38
  are
• 8:38
  really
• 8:38
  big
• 8:39
  schools.
• 8:39
  But
• 8:39
  they're,
• 8:40
  you
• 8:40
  know,
• 8:41
  they,
• 8:42
  one
• 8:42
  way
• 8:42
  or
• 8:43
  another
• 8:43
  got
• 8:43
  the
• 8:43
  resources
• 8:44
  to
• 8:44
  put
• 8:44
  together
• 8:45
  some
• 8:45
  pretty
• 8:45
  good
• 8:45
  teams,
• 8:46
  at
• 8:46
  least
• 8:46
  in
• 8:46
  the
• 8:46
  past
• 8:47
  year
• 8:47
  or
• 8:47
  two.
• 8:47
  So
• 8:48
  we'll
• 8:48
  see
• 8:48
  how
• 8:48
  long
• 8:49
  that,
• 8:51
  you
• 8:51
  know,
• 8:51
  stays
• 8:51
  true.
• 8:53
  Yeah,
• 8:53
  and
• 8:53
  we
• 8:53
  see
• 8:54
  with
• 8:54
  the
• 8:54
  NIL
• 8:55
  money
• 8:55
  how
• 8:56
  it
• 8:56
  can
• 8:56
  change
• 8:56
  a
• 8:56
  school's
• 8:57
  fortune
• 8:57
  instantly.
• 8:58
  I
• 8:58
  mean,
• 8:58
  look
• 8:58
  at
• 8:58
  Indiana.
• 8:59
  You
• 8:59
  know,
• 8:59
  two
• 9:00
  years
• 9:00
  ago,
• 9:00
  they
• 9:00
  were
• 9:01
  doormats.
• 9:02
  In
• 9:02
  the
• 9:02
  last
• 9:02
  two
• 9:02
  years
• 9:03
  are
• 9:03
  the
• 9:03
  powerhouse
• 9:04
  and
• 9:04
  they're
• 9:04
  national
• 9:04
  champions
• 9:05
  right
• 9:05
  now.
• 9:05
  Yeah,
• 9:06
  yeah.
• 9:06
  I
• 9:06
  mean,
• 9:06
  Indiana
• 9:07
  is
• 9:07
  just
• 9:07
  an
• 9:07
  incredible,
• 9:08
  you
• 9:08
  know,
• 9:08
  case.
• 9:09
  But,
• 9:10
  you
• 9:10
  know,
• 9:10
  I
• 9:10
  actually,
• 9:12
  I.
• 9:12
  I
• 9:12
  get
• 9:12
  a
• 9:13
  great
• 9:13
  bigger
• 9:13
  kick
• 9:14
  out
• 9:14
  of.
• 9:14
  Even
• 9:15
  if
• 9:15
  they
• 9:15
  don't
• 9:15
  win
• 9:15
  it,
• 9:15
  I
• 9:16
  get
• 9:16
  a
• 9:16
  bigger
• 9:16
  kick
• 9:16
  out
• 9:16
  of
• 9:18
  like,
• 9:18
  the.
• 9:18
  The
• 9:18
  Duke,
• 9:19
  Tulane,
• 9:19
  smu,
• 9:20
  Vandy,
• 9:20
  you
• 9:20
  know,
• 9:20
  those
• 9:21
  kinds
• 9:21
  of
• 9:21
  people
• 9:22
  just
• 9:22
  because
• 9:23
  it's,
• 9:23
  it's
• 9:23
  a
• 9:24
  tougher
• 9:24
  pull,
• 9:25
  you
• 9:25
  know,
• 9:25
  for
• 9:25
  them.
• 9:26
  Vandy
• 9:27
  was
• 9:27
  especially
• 9:27
  fun
• 9:28
  watching
• 9:28
  their
• 9:29
  SEC
• 9:29
  games
• 9:30
  as
• 9:30
  they're,
• 9:30
  you
• 9:30
  know,
• 9:31
  competing
• 9:31
  against
• 9:31
  these,
• 9:32
  you
• 9:32
  know,
• 9:32
  monst
• 9:33
  the
• 9:33
  SEC
• 9:34
  and
• 9:34
  giving
• 9:34
  them
• 9:35
  some
• 9:35
  trouble,
• 9:35
  you
• 9:35
  know,
• 9:35
  that
• 9:35
  was
• 9:36
  fun
• 9:36
  to
• 9:36
  watch.
• 9:37
  Yeah.
• 9:37
  And
• 9:38
  as
• 9:38
  long
• 9:38
  as,
• 9:38
  you
• 9:39
  know,
• 9:39
  if
• 9:39
  you're
• 9:40
  teams
• 9:40
  in
• 9:40
  a
• 9:41
  lesser
• 9:41
  conference,
• 9:42
  you
• 9:42
  know,
• 9:43
  if
• 9:43
  you're
• 9:43
  the
• 9:43
  best
• 9:44
  of
• 9:44
  the
• 9:44
  conference,
• 9:44
  you
• 9:44
  know
• 9:45
  you're
• 9:45
  going
• 9:45
  to
• 9:45
  have
• 9:45
  a
• 9:45
  shot.
• 9:46
  Right,
• 9:46
  right,
• 9:47
  right.
• 9:47
  And
• 9:47
  so,
• 9:48
  and,
• 9:48
  and,
• 9:49
  you
• 9:49
  know,
• 9:49
  that's
• 9:50
  why
• 9:50
  they,
• 9:50
  you
• 9:51
  know,
• 9:51
  that's
• 9:51
  why
• 9:52
  I
• 9:52
  put
• 9:52
  the
• 9:52
  pants
• 9:52
  on,
• 9:52
  you
• 9:52
  know.
• 9:53
  Yeah,
• 9:54
  you
• 9:54
  got
• 9:54
  to
• 9:54
  play
• 9:54
  those
• 9:54
  games.
• 9:55
  It's
• 9:55
  not
• 9:55
  one
• 9:56
  on
• 9:56
  paper,
• 9:56
  that's
• 9:56
  for
• 9:56
  sure.
• 9:58
  Yeah,
• 9:59
  a
• 9:59
  great
• 9:59
  story.
• 10:00
  And
• 10:00
  again,
• 10:01
  this
• 10:01
  is
• 10:01
  one
• 10:01
  of
• 10:01
  those
• 10:01
  things
• 10:02
  that,
• 10:02
  you
• 10:02
  know,
• 10:03
  time
• 10:03
  is
• 10:04
  forgotten
• 10:04
  and,
• 10:05
  you
• 10:05
  know,
• 10:05
  these
• 10:06
  players,
• 10:06
  you
• 10:07
  know,
• 10:07
  like
• 10:07
  Bob
• 10:07
  Zuck
• 10:08
  or
• 10:08
  the
• 10:08
  players
• 10:08
  and
• 10:08
  the
• 10:09
  coaches
• 10:09
  like
• 10:09
  Bob
• 10:09
  Zupp
• 10:10
  Key
• 10:10
  and
• 10:11
  maybe
• 10:11
  don't
• 10:11
  get
• 10:11
  the
• 10:11
  recognition.
• 10:12
  Zupke
• 10:13
  gets
• 10:13
  recognition
• 10:13
  because
• 10:14
  of
• 10:14
  Red
• 10:14
  Grange,
• 10:14
  of
• 10:15
  course,
• 10:15
  but,
• 10:15
  you
• 10:16
  know,
• 10:16
  beyond
• 10:16
  that,
• 10:16
  people
• 10:17
  don't
• 10:17
  know
• 10:17
  much
• 10:17
  about
• 10:18
  Zupp
• 10:18
  Key
• 10:18
  and
• 10:19
  the
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• 10:20
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• 10:20
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• 10:20
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• 10:20
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• 10:21
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• 10:21
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• 10:21
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• 10:22
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• 10:22
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• 10:22
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• 10:22
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• 10:22
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• 10:23
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• 10:23
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• 10:23
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• 10:23
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• 10:24
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• 10:24
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• 10:24
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• 10:24
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• 10:24
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• 10:24
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• 10:25
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• 10:25
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• 10:26
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• 10:26
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• 10:26
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• 10:26
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• 10:27
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• 10:28
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• 10:28
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• 10:28
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• 10:28
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• 10:28
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• 10:29
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• 10:29
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• 10:29
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• 10:29
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• 10:30
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• 10:30
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• 10:30
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• 10:30
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• 10:30
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• 10:31
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• 10:31
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• 10:32
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• 10:32
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• 10:33
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• 10:34
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• 10:34
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• 10:35
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• 10:36
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• 10:37
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• 10:39
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• 10:43
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• 10:47
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• 10:47
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• 10:47
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• 11:11
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