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He knew what I was THINKING · Crime and Horror

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  Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question. John. If I told
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  Speaker 1: you right now to walk up to any one of
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  Speaker 1: these books now, not physically, but mentally, and I want
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  Speaker 1: you to flip it open to any page, to look
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  Speaker 1: at that page, and to go back and forth and
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  Speaker 1: stop at any word. Can you see this happening in
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  Speaker 1: your close your eyes, in your minds. I envision that occurring.
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  Speaker 1: I want to show them at home because people will
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  Speaker 1: say later that I changed what I wrote somehow. All right,
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  Speaker 1: open your eyes.
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  Speaker 2: What was that worth about? Dude? This is not stage.
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  Speaker 2: This is crazy. I'm blown away. All right. Welcome back
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  Speaker 2: to storytime with mister Ballin. This was such a hit
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  Speaker 2: on the last episode with Tom Segura that we decided
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  Speaker 2: we would do more. And today today's guest, I gotta
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  Speaker 2: be honest, they they're gonna blow your mind. Seriously. I
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  Speaker 2: went into this experience sort of skeptical. I mean, the
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  Speaker 2: things this person does are sort of impossible. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: he's just he goes in front of these audiences, which
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  Speaker 2: include huge celebrities and professional sports teams, and effectively reads
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  Speaker 2: their minds. He certainly blows their minds, and he does
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  Speaker 2: it under so much pressure, and he's he nails it
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  Speaker 2: every time, and so we asked him on the show.
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  Speaker 2: He's got some amazing stories and he also truly just
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  Speaker 2: he did. I have something written on my hand right
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  Speaker 2: now that has to do with one of the tricks
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  Speaker 2: that he pulled on me, and it's just I can't
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  Speaker 2: I can't believe how this episode went. So really, stick around.
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  Speaker 2: He's an amazing guy and just a master of his craft.
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  Speaker 2: He's gonna blow your mind. So, without further ado, let's
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  Speaker 2: get into today's episode.
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  Speaker 1: I'm os the mentalist. I'm hearing storytime with mister Bowlin.
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  Speaker 1: I already know what you're thinking.
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  Speaker 2: Stick around, all right, oh's the mentalist Peerlman. Yeah, you
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  Speaker 2: are the world's greatest mentalist. I mean lately I have
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  Speaker 2: seen you pop up all over the place. You were
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  Speaker 2: just on Joe Rogan and his reaction to when he
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  Speaker 2: guesses his.
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  Speaker 1: Paste off pissed off Joe. You have not seen him
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  Speaker 1: that angry in a while, you know. He goes down
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  Speaker 1: the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories and he was like,
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  Speaker 1: did you hack me? Did you have you literally gotten
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  Speaker 1: into my life? How did you get my pin code?
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  Speaker 2: I liked how you were like, hey, let's let's just
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  Speaker 2: be spontaneous. You're like, look, let me try to guess
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  Speaker 2: your atampin code, and he's you can just see it
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  Speaker 2: on Joe. He's like, Okay, all right, let's see and
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  Speaker 2: and you guess the first number. At some point you're like,
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  Speaker 2: just tell me, just tell me.
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  Speaker 1: Is it one?
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  Speaker 2: I think it was one? Yep, And he's like all right.
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  Speaker 2: But then as soon as you began doing it, you
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  Speaker 2: could just see his whole his whole mentality, everything shifted
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  Speaker 2: and you can just see as the audience. If this
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  Speaker 2: is staged, it's the It's the best staging I've ever seen,
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  Speaker 2: because his reaction was not pleasure. It was like, stop,
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  Speaker 2: how did I do?
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  Speaker 1: Joe? Is that your ATAM pin code?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's weird. I'm skeptical because I've got that pin
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  Speaker 3: code in the mail.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: People loved seeing it because with Joe, he is the
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  Speaker 1: ultimate debunker. Yeah, we agreement, like, no one's going on
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  Speaker 1: Joe Rogan and telling Joe what to do on the
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  Speaker 1: biggest platform in the world that he is the boss
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  Speaker 1: and he didn't know what was going to happen. And
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  Speaker 1: I think that's what captivated the public is if he
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  Speaker 1: would have been amazed, that's one thing, but he was
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  Speaker 1: angry and a little scared.
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  Speaker 2: So tell me, like, what what is a mentalist?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Because I've looked it up. Yeah, but that doesn't really
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  Speaker 2: accomplish the task here. I want to hear from you.
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  Speaker 2: And secondarily, how does one know they have the skill
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  Speaker 2: to be a mentalist?
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  Speaker 1: So a mentalist is a form of magic, right. This
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  Speaker 1: is not in the world of psychics and supernatural That's
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  Speaker 1: not what I pretend to do. I completely make sure
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  Speaker 1: that I go out of my way to sure people
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  Speaker 1: understand I'm not claiming to be a psychic. I'm not supernatural. Instead,
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  Speaker 1: I have a series of skills that I've developed kind
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  Speaker 1: of like an arsenal tools over decades of learning how
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  Speaker 1: people think. And it's grounded in magic. So everyone knows
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  Speaker 1: what a magician is. Right. You can go to an
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  Speaker 1: eight year old. They've started to see magic tricks. And
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  Speaker 1: when we watch magic, we understand that we're being fooled
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  Speaker 1: with our eyes. Somehow this person knows how to do
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  Speaker 1: things quickly or to distract me, so they do something
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  Speaker 1: somewhere else. Right when you cut the woman in half,
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  Speaker 1: spoiler alert, guys, I'm not trying to ruin Christmas. There's
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  Speaker 1: no Santa Claus. You're not really cutting the woman in
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  Speaker 1: half somehow, you're deceiving me with an illusion. That's the
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  Speaker 1: name of the world. That's really what it's called. So
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  Speaker 1: magic is all about misdirection and fooling the eyes. This
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  Speaker 1: is a specialized subset within magic where it's magic of
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  Speaker 1: the mind, very different. I'm not fooling your eyes because
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  Speaker 1: there's no fast hands. There's almost no props. I can
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  Speaker 1: show up. I had a show last night in Toronto.
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  Speaker 1: Came right here from the airport where I did a show,
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  Speaker 1: smaller group up, four hunder people, and I show up
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  Speaker 1: with nothing. I have a pad of paper and a marker,
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  Speaker 1: which if I don't have with me they can grab
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  Speaker 1: for me. The show isn't props. I'm the show. And
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  Speaker 1: so what I've learned to do is know how people think.
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  Speaker 1: And by knowing effectively how people think, I'll know what
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  Speaker 1: they think and I'll present that in a very entertaining,
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  Speaker 1: fooling and hopefully memorable manner. So mentalism is psychology, misdirection, deception, influence.
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  Speaker 1: It's all these different skills baked into one cake.
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  Speaker 2: And is this something that you always knew you possessed
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  Speaker 2: skills that ultimately crystallized and became you being the world's
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  Speaker 2: greatest mentalist, right, thank you. Did you have moments in
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  Speaker 2: your life before this became a thing where you were like,
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  Speaker 2: I have these innate skills that I could refine, but
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  Speaker 2: you knew you had them? Or is this something that
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  Speaker 2: people could be taught?
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, people can be taught. So this is a learnable skill.
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  Speaker 1: But I call it I would liken it to musical talent,
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  Speaker 1: which is innate in a sense, which is you could
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  Speaker 1: probably learn to play the piano into a certain number
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  Speaker 1: of songs. Like my nine year old plays the piano.
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  Speaker 1: If I continued practicing every day for a year, I'd
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  Speaker 1: probably get better. But what if I practice for a decade,
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  Speaker 1: Would I ever be good enough to play at Carnegie
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  Speaker 1: in New York City? I don't think I would. I
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  Speaker 1: think that it's not in me that innate God giving gift,
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  Speaker 1: whatever you're gonna call it. You can develop the skills,
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  Speaker 1: but will you get to a certain level. There might
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  Speaker 1: be a ceiling. Sure, So that's the best way to
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  Speaker 1: describe it. I have a gift for it, and I've
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  Speaker 1: also been very, very persistent and never underestimate the power
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  Speaker 1: of persistence, because mentalism has a steep learning curve and
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  Speaker 1: most people don't have thick enough skin to get through
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  Speaker 1: the times when you suck. So magic can be practiced
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  Speaker 1: over and over and over in a mirror, and you
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  Speaker 1: can improve because it's move based. It's kind of like
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  Speaker 1: plain golf. If you practice your swing, hopefully by the
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  Speaker 1: millionth swing, you're gonna be great. You might not be
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  Speaker 1: Rory McElroy or Tiger Woods with this. The only way
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  Speaker 1: that I can get better is by doing it for
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  Speaker 1: an audience. Do you see what I mean? You can't
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  Speaker 1: practice guessing what people are gonna think without people, And
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  Speaker 1: the first few hundred times you do it, you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: eat pardon my friends, you're gonna eat shit like You're
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  Speaker 1: not gonna be good. There's very few mentalists that started good,
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  Speaker 1: and so what tends to happen is perform you suck.
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  Speaker 1: You go, oh my god, that was painful. I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to do that again. I don't want to experience
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  Speaker 1: that suffering. So I did much more magic for years,
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  Speaker 1: and then I started dipping my toes in the water
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  Speaker 1: of mentalism and then doing a little more, and then
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  Speaker 1: doing a little more, and then I was on a show.
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  Speaker 1: If we like rewind my career, there's a moment where
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  Speaker 1: it was like a fork in the road where I
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  Speaker 1: was on America's Got Talent or It's changed my life,
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  Speaker 1: and I rebranded myself as instead of like we quote
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  Speaker 1: unquote you know, Oh's the magician, I became Oh's the mentalist.
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  Speaker 1: That's I literally monikered it because now I differentiated myself
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  Speaker 1: from others and decided I'm not doing magic anymore. That
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  Speaker 1: was like the crutch. I just started doing just mentalism.
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  Speaker 2: That's interesting. I think one of the things that I've
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  Speaker 2: noticed about you and your rise that's currently up into
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  Speaker 2: the right you really are telling it right now, is
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  Speaker 2: in a way I feel like I can relate a
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  Speaker 2: little bit to the pressure that you put on yourself,
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  Speaker 2: and I'll give you some context so I know that
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  Speaker 2: you're into distance running in addition to like serious distance running.
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  Speaker 2: This dude's do one like one hundred and fifty three
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  Speaker 2: more miles. It's true, regularly runs marathons on a whim.
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  Speaker 2: That is a It is a physical feat, no doubt,
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  Speaker 2: but it is a mental feat more than anything else.
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  Speaker 1: Agreed, It's more mental than physical. Anybody who tells me, oh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I can't do this, I'm like that, you
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  Speaker 1: already set yourself up. I can't. You've already created an
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  Speaker 1: obstacle in your mind. It's the wrong viewpoint and your
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  Speaker 1: actually your mind translates into your body, so you're telling
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  Speaker 1: yourself that creates that. I think you know the mind
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  Speaker 1: controls the body. I've seen people that are twenty thirty
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  Speaker 1: years older than you finish a race that I didn't finish. Objectively,
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  Speaker 1: I'm fitter than they are, I'm younger than they are,
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  Speaker 1: I'm stronger than there. Why did they finish when I didn't?
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  Speaker 1: Because my mind crumbled? Yeah, and you know it. I mean, buds,
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  Speaker 1: how many people rang that bell that were probably tough sobs,
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  Speaker 1: but they didn't have it mentally.
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  Speaker 2: It's true and in fact, the you had said that
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  Speaker 2: when you first tried the Spartathlon. Yeah, you did it twice, right,
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  Speaker 2: I did it twice. So the Spartathlon's one hundred and
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  Speaker 2: fifty three miles, right, one.
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  Speaker 1: Hundred and fifty three miles, thirty six hour cutoffs, so
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  Speaker 1: it's very important. There's races that are longer. Right now,
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  Speaker 1: there's a Hayti Peple running tw hundred mile races, all
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  Speaker 1: this crazy stuff, but this you can't slow down and
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  Speaker 1: walk very much like in these other races. They're glorified hikes.
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  Speaker 1: No offense to all these people do two hundreds. They
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  Speaker 1: do it for four or five days. Most of the
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  Speaker 1: people are it's slow. This is running NonStop for a
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  Speaker 1: day and a half. You start on a Saturday morning,
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  Speaker 1: I'm running till Sunday evening.
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  Speaker 2: That's insane. Ye. And so like what people need to
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  Speaker 2: understand about running really long distances. I've done a couple marathons,
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  Speaker 2: and that's marathon is twenty six point two miles.
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  Speaker 1: Which is very respectable. Don't you don't respect don't you
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  Speaker 1: talk down in yourself.
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  Speaker 2: But when you hit about mile twenty, people say that's
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  Speaker 2: sort of like the halfway point, even though it's not
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  Speaker 2: twenty six point two. The halfway is thirteen. But at
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  Speaker 2: about twenty miles is when your body sort of breaches
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  Speaker 2: that point where it's like, okay, we've lost all the
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  Speaker 2: glucose stores. We're sort of burning on muscle. At this point,
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  Speaker 2: it's like you're falling apart. And I remember when I
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  Speaker 2: ran a marathon and I hit mile twenty, it was like,
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  Speaker 2: I can barely move and I have six miles to go.
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  Speaker 2: So for anyone that's even thinking, oh you one hundred
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  Speaker 2: and fifty three miles, yeah, you just suck it up
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  Speaker 2: and go, that's not how that works. This is like
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  Speaker 2: a mental test of magnitudes you made to understand. But
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  Speaker 2: you had said if the first time you did the Spartathlon,
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  Speaker 2: you you did not finish, didn't finish, and you knew
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  Speaker 2: as you're running along, You're like, I'm not going to
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  Speaker 2: finish this on right, and you're writing the story in
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  Speaker 2: your head that you're like, how am I going to
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  Speaker 2: spin this to the people that you know they expected
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  Speaker 2: me to finish and I didn't. Yes, but you went
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  Speaker 2: back and you ultimately did it again and you finished it.
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  Speaker 2: That's so highly unusual. One that you went after in
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  Speaker 2: the first place, but two that you went back and
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  Speaker 2: did the race. I think that says a lot about
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  Speaker 2: not only your mental toughness, but why you have these
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  Speaker 2: innate skills. You've honed those skills to become the mentalist
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  Speaker 2: that you are, but you obviously have this ability to
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  Speaker 2: put yourself in these highly mentally stressful environments and perform
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  Speaker 2: not just well, but at your literal best. And so
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  Speaker 2: like dude, you go in and into an entire NFL
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  Speaker 2: football team, and these are also clips you got to
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  Speaker 2: check out if you haven't seen him, Like the Bengals,
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  Speaker 2: you go the whole my favorites, and like he'll tell
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  Speaker 2: the players, like the quarterback Joe Burrow, and he's like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna write down who you're gonna throw it to,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm not gonna show you. You're you're gonna do it,
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  Speaker 2: throw it to anybody in the room. And then after
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  Speaker 2: you do it, I'm gonna show you what I thought.
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  Speaker 2: And like the clip, you see that he's written down
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  Speaker 2: a name, and sure enough he turns, he throws the
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  Speaker 2: football and everyone's like, oh, oh, yes, yes, they're right.
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  Speaker 2: But then the next time you do it, you write
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  Speaker 2: down two names, and it's like he's gonna fake to
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  Speaker 2: this person and throw to this person and you're holding
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  Speaker 2: it back, and sure enough, Joe, who clearly has no
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  Speaker 2: idea what you've written down, fake throw room, goes wild.
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  Speaker 1: Damn fakes to Jamar, throwns to Tanner.
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  Speaker 2: How do you put yourself in that position consistently and
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  Speaker 2: just stay calm enough to do those things when the
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  Speaker 2: outcomes binary, that's so stressful.
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  Speaker 1: How do you do it? So? I think you're mindset.
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  Speaker 1: And this is where the ultrarunning and the mentalism go
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  Speaker 1: hand in hand, and I think each one has improved
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  Speaker 1: the other. Truly, there's physiological things involved, which being able
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  Speaker 1: to be calm under pressure. That calmness directly creates the
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  Speaker 1: success in the situation, which is when you start panicking.
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  Speaker 1: Those chemicals that flood through your body can indicate to
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  Speaker 1: other people. The same way that animals can smell fear,
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  Speaker 1: they can literally smell fear. I think we still have
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  Speaker 1: that hardwired in us. We are still animals in a
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  Speaker 1: sense where we don't trust our instincts, but we can
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  Speaker 1: feel it. Like right now, if somebody walks in the room,
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  Speaker 1: even if you don't know that they're there, you have
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  Speaker 1: situational awareness where you can sense somebody walked in. How
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  Speaker 1: is that right? It's not sonar. There's something in you
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  Speaker 1: that I don't know how we explain that's a sense
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  Speaker 1: that can indicate danger, which I'm sure you've had. You
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  Speaker 1: can sense on high alert and something floods you because
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  Speaker 1: that fight or flight. So in those situations where it's
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  Speaker 1: do or die, not literally, but if that screws up
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  Speaker 1: in that room, there's no safety net. This football team
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  Speaker 1: didn't walk in and get set up and say, hey, guys,
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  Speaker 1: act excited for this random dude, Joe Burrow. The funny
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  Speaker 1: part about that clip was the day it dropped, the
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  Speaker 1: day before he signed the most lucrative contract in NFL history,
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  Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy five million dollars with some obscene
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  Speaker 1: number that was guaranteed like one hundred and eighty four
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  Speaker 1: million fact check me. So the best comment, the comment
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  Speaker 1: that will run up the most, was go dude, he
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  Speaker 1: clearly paid this guy to do it. And my comment
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  Speaker 1: under to this guy was, bro, I wish I had
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  Speaker 1: enough money to pay Joe Burrow off to pretend to
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  Speaker 1: do this. And it got uplight like ten thousand times
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  Speaker 1: because it's so comical. It's like, how do you think
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  Speaker 1: the behind the scenes on that, by the way, is
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  Speaker 1: great because Joe is very shy just he's a great guy,
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  Speaker 1: but I had no time with him. And when you
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  Speaker 1: go to these football teams, there's a series of people
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  Speaker 1: that are intermediaries. I'm not talking to the players. There's
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  Speaker 1: the PR team, the communications team, these are organizations, and
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  Speaker 1: they say to you that person doesn't want to be involved,
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  Speaker 1: And so I say to them, you know, with all
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  Speaker 1: due respect, I'll see who wants to be involved. I
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  Speaker 1: say yes. But when I get in the room, my
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  Speaker 1: job is to convert nose into Yeses were some of
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  Speaker 1: the people that thought they wanted nothing to do with me.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to win them over. And the Joe Burrow thing, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: there was an amazing trick. But getting somebody who, when
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  Speaker 1: they sat down in their mind said one hundred percent no,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not getting involved, and then having them not only
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  Speaker 1: say yes to what I was going to do, buy in,
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  Speaker 1: but then have a monster reaction that's since been viewed
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  Speaker 1: hundreds of millions of times and helped change my life.
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  Speaker 1: That same thing, that set of skills on how to
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  Speaker 1: win people over influence them is applicable to everyone in
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  Speaker 1: every facet of your life. It works in business if
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  Speaker 1: you're doing sales. It works in relationships, whether it's people
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  Speaker 1: you know closely and you want to create deeper bonds,
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  Speaker 1: or whether it's people you want to win over. Whether
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  Speaker 1: it's like a romantic sense friendship sense, it's how do
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  Speaker 1: you meet people and connect with them in a deeper
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  Speaker 1: way and get them not only to like you, build rapport,
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  Speaker 1: but both of those two things are to do what
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  Speaker 1: you want them to do. Not in a nefarious way.
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  Speaker 1: But think about it. I'm a parent. I'm trying to
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  Speaker 1: win my kids over. I'm selling them all the time
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  Speaker 1: my ideas, which is, please do your homework right now,
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  Speaker 1: even though you don't want to because there's better things
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  Speaker 1: to do. How do you convince them in an effective manner?
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  Speaker 1: And that is a form of mentalism, which is knowing
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  Speaker 1: how people think and using it to your advantage. That's
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  Speaker 1: what I'm doing all the time, and those are the
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: skills you can apply. Going back to what you said
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: with Joe Burrow, in all these situations, I have used
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: the running to calm myself and to not think of
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: the finish line, which is when you're at twenty miles
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: and you're miserable. It sounds like six miles is so little,
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: Just six miles, man, you've done a ten k before.
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: But in the moment, every step hurts. I'm miserable, I'm puken,
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: I feel terrible. I want to be done now. I
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: want to be on a couch eating ice cream. Now
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: what the hell was I thinking doing this race. I
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: am not a superhuman like literally. It's the same way
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: that a friend of mine, David Goggins, will say, I
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: don't want to be out there running in the rain
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: in the cold at four thirty am. But the fact
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: that I don't want to do it is why I'm
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: doing it, because that's where the real training hits. The
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: moments where it becomes hard, is where you learn who
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: you really are. When I'm sitting here talking about running
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: a teasy oh yeah, it's fun, I want to get
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: to the moments where I'm in the deepest, darkest place
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: and I'm asking myself question why am I doing this?
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: Don't want to do it, and I still persevere. That's
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: where you become stronger. It's where you tear the muscle
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: and grow it back stronger. And those skills have allowed
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: me when I'm in those pressured moments and that ultras
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: are like something I stand on where I'm completely calm
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: and I'm very aligned and I'm not going to panic,
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: so the people around me see how calm I am
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: and I can still keep them within my control.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: What you're doing is so stress packed, almost on purpose,
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: right You're going in front of this crowd that's like
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: big professional athletes, like all these celebrities, and you're going
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: to like walk in and impress them and do something
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: that's just unbelievable. Is their thrill out of the fact
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: that you know going into that that you're gonna be
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: calm and people will see not only will you perform,
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: but for you.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: This is what you do do You.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Seek these moments out because that is empowering for you.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: Man, if we got like into a therapy session of
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: like Freud, and I keep taking big swings at things
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: that I don't know if they're necessarily going to work,
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: but I think that the audience can sense the danger,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: the risk. Yes, that's what's exciting, and so you can
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: feel the excitement through the camera. It's what captures you
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: because I don't know, I can't explain it. It's the
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: audience can know internally that this might have gone wrong
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: and it didn't, and that's why you get the big reactions.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: So I've done a couple of live speaking engagements, just
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: telling stories to crowds, and I remember I told my
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: production team as we're getting ready to put it together,
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: like how do you want it to go? How much
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: production value do you want? And I said, I was like,
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: I need the first time I do speaking engagements to
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: be basically just me and a microphone. I want it
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: to be a pure experience because I need to prove
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: to myself that, like I can deliver something that's really
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: engaging without any props, without anything, just me, right, And
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: it was like the sense of I almost hated myself
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: for doing this because you're setting yourself up right, I'm
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: gonna walk out in front of thousands of people, me
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: and a microphone. I've never done this before. It could
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: go horribly wrong, but it's like I almost felt like
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: the only way to do it was like full send commitment,
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: like commitment to the bit you have to and I
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: and I'd go out on stage, and with that sense
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: of commitment, I was able to easily do these shows.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: And I think for you, what I see in all
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: these clips of you just like blowing people away, honestly,
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: more than the bit, it is the sense that you
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: are completely committed and even if it goes wrong, it's
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: like somehow he's going to spin this right. He's got
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: full command of the room.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: People love when it goes wrong, So there's that level
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: of do why are those traffic jams where you're like,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: why was there such treviant? The rubbernecking, right, the human
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: instinct that's in our DNA of liking to gossip and
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: liking to see what's going on with them. Oh look
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: at that car, Holy crap, right, everyone does it. We're
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: all slowed down, We're on the freaking bq E. And
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: what just happened? Why is you know, like I seventy
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: eight is jammed up because one jerk was texting and
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: we have to watch that. So that same approach is
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: again hardwired in our DNA. So in my show, I'm
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: very keenly aware of moments where I can create stress,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: confusion or like chaos, and I can make it so
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: that you forget the things I want you to forget,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: and then I put the camera on the things I
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: want you to remember, and I during the moment where
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: you're recounting what happened, I'm telling the story that you're
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: going to remember in your mind. People don't realize that
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: memory is malleable, So we think of his memory as
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: the same thing as this camera shooting me right now
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: that we could rewind playback, and it's it's immutable, it
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: never changes. It's on camera, right, it's not. People remember
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: certain things and they are typically related to So I'll
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: give you a great example. Eyewitness testimony, which you know
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: more than anyone, is inherently unreliable because when people's cortersoll
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: levels adrenaline there in a moment where they just saw
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: the shit go down, their body floods with these emotions
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: and all these things that they're not used to encountering.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: For most people, they're not into those situations that are
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: high stress. And now suddenly a face, a color of hair,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: a height, all of that stuff that's captured in one
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: or two seconds can be changed, especially if you're interrogated
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: later and ask questions and the investigator uses leading language. Right,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: So when you saw this guy who was like six
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: foot two, six six foot three, I did I see? Well?
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: I kind of maybe? Right, you can start to change
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: what they have, right. Imagine you do a watercolor painting
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: and it's not dry yet, I can start to change
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: what you painted. I'm saying, narrating the story that you
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: will tell the next person about me, and then I
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: will get rid of the parts I don't want, Just
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: like an editor clips sections out and I have it,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: so your memory only remembers the things I want you
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: to tell, or the story you tell, because the story
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: you tell about me is what continues. It's what makes
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: me memorable. And anyone that ever walks into a room
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: and is the most memorable person in the room will
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: achieve their goals the most effectively. Just think about it
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: in your head. When you've gone to a party or
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: an event and you've met someone, there's always at an
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: event when you go home, you're talking to your why
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: are you're talking? Like, man, did you meet that guy? Yeah,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: there's always a person who stands out. Sure if it's
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: a good party. Otherwise it suck. Everyone's boring. But what
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: made that person interesting? Now, I think in a lot
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: of instances, it's the fact that the person who's very
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: interesting isn't a big talker, but they're very interested and
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: they bring out the best in you, and you feel like, man,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: they were so interested in me, and they give good
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: stories and they ask me questions I'd never been asked before,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: and that kind of elevates a certain level in you
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: where you get excited to be around them. Some people
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: have a natural charisma and you analyze what is a
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: natural charisma? What is it that they do when they
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: walk in the room. They approach with confidence. They typically
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: approach not a direct thing. So another thing that is
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: very important body posture, body positioning, and how you walk
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: up to somebody who don't know instantly puts you at
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: ease or makes you feel ill at ease and like
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: they're intruding your space. If somebody walks up to you
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: too close, whoa bro? You know? What do you do
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: and chill out? If somebody approaches you quickly and they're
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: talking and they're not slowing down, and you don't know
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: when they're gonna leave, then you start getting this feeling
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: of oh god, am I stuck in this conversation for
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: a while. Versus and I learned this doing restaurants when
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: I was a kid. If I walk up to you
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: at an angle and it looks like I'm one foot in,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: one foot out, and you're seeing one of my eyes,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: which is again the way animals react instead of head on,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: which scares them, but at a sideways. And if I
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: give you a time constraint, which is all great to
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: meet you and for me performing magic, people might not
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: want me there. They don't know who I am, especially
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: at a restaurant where you're having dinner and you're like,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: who is this kid? And I was fourteen, And do
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: I have to tip him? Oh? My god, do I
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: have any cash on me? All of these things go
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: through your mind. So I have to take away those
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: layers of resistance. And I learned early on what I
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: could do in those moments. That applies to everything in life.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: It's not just about the performance. It's life skills, and
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: I think those life skills translate very effectively into habits
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: for success. No matter what you do.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: It seems like you are, I mean to simplify, extremely
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: perceptive about other people, Like you're picking up cues that
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: maybe to you seem like they could be picked up
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: by a lot of people. But your ability, at least
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: the way you're describing it, to read people really really
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: quickly is astounding. And I'll say on a much smaller level,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: I actually did when I was in the Seal teams,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: I did a lot of the speaking with locals. Basically
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: we'd be on target and then at the end of
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: whatever confident we were in, there'd be an opportunity to
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: speak to people that were in whatever village we were
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: in in Afghanistan, And truthfully, you're basically talking to the
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: men and you're trying to discern if they were just
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: shooting at you right where they weren't, And it's really
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: hard to tell, right, And a lot of times even
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: with the interpreter, there's a conversation's not going to get
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: you there. No, you're really just trying to gauge how
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: they view me.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Intuition and instinct go a long way, right, If you
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: have a gut feeling, you have to trust it then
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: try to verify it. But if you get that gut
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: feeling and you ignore it, like you know that like
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: tickling of like this doesn't feel right, I'm sure in
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: your situation that's life or death.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this was like relatively safe. You know,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: we're safe at this point. But a lot of times
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: I would pick up very quickly if someone was just
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: positioning themselves in a sort of adversarial way, like I'm
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: sure I'm speaking of the guy who knows the stuff.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: But there's a way you stand if you're almost sort
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: of seeking a level of conflict with the person you're with, right,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: if you're deferential, you're sort of positioning yourself in such
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: a way. But I'm coming into the room, I'm decked
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: out in like special operations gier. We've just secured the target,
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: and I'm talking to you, and if you're going to
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: stand toe to toe with me, right and like look
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: me square in the eyes. Pretty much immediately I'm like, wow,
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: this is a combatant, right, you know, whereas other people
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: they're like they're maybe they're scared or whatever, but it
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: usually comes off very quickly, and then the conversation, to
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: be honest, it wound up being like irrelevant. It's the
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: first like three seconds that I'm with somebody. And so
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: for you, I mean, I have no idea if that relates.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: But are you like reading people and that's basically your
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: tell or are you constantly evaluating people, whether it's during
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: a performance or not, like in your life? Yes, are
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: you constantly evaluating like how does how does that work
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: for you?
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: So thankfully the stakes are much lower for me, So
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: I don't ever want to put myself on the category
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: of a Navy seal defending our country. It's like what
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: I'm doing is entertaining people, sure, and the skills don't generalize.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: So the next part is people just say, well, if
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: you're just good, why aren't you just winning millions of
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: dollars playing poker? Why aren't you like catching you know, killers?
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: So it's because again this is under the guise of entertainment,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: and the skills don't generalize very clear cut guessing. Let's
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: i'll give a great example. Let me do this in
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: a moment. But if I were to ask at the
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: table and we're playing poker, just look at why you
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: know the cards are because I have a series of
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: things that I do procedures to narrow the options down
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: and figure out what you thought of that involve me
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: being in charge.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Interesting, watch this.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Let's just play a fun game. Okay, picture not a
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: card trick, right enough? I had a deck of cards,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: and I don't even have one. I could probably get
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: one out of a bag. And you don't have attack
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: of cards cards, right You've never seen a deck of
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: cards today, have you?
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: No?
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: So when I was a magician, we'd have to have
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: a deck of cards right now, and I would do
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: the old pick one card and you'd put it back
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: and I'd find it. But I don't have a deck
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: of cards. So let's just pantomime this because mentalism is
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: about thoughts. I give you an invisible deck, got it?
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: You mix them up, John shrufle them up. Let's see
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: those skills. Okay. And now you take those cards and
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: I want you to do this. I want you to
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: spread them out in front of you, and spreading them
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: in front of you means you can see all fifty
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: two yep, and you could make a conscious decision, which
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: some people would say later, well, someone influenced you. He
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: used certain words, maybe use certain hand gestures. Something was
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: already planted in your mind so that you would do
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: my bidding. Okay, So I want to make this even
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: more impossible. Take the cards and close them up again.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Give one more shuffle, just to be safe. I love it.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: And now you're gonna spread them face down, which means
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: you can't see them all right, which means that right now,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: if I told you to reach down and pick any card,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: there's no way that you could be influenced because you
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: don't even know which one is. Now, I want you
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: to slowly reach down and maybe go to grab one
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: and nap doesn't feel right, and you maybe jump to
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: another one next to it, or this one, and just
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: grab one card at random. Now before you turn over,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: you grab it out and in reinagreement. It's absolutely impossible
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: that I could know what you'd picked because it's not real.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: It's an invisible card that you haven't even turned over yet.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: You don't even know what it is.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, yep.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: So you drop the rest of the cards away, gone,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: and now something happens. It's interesting. You turn the card over,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: you look at it. Okay, okay, okay, hold it up
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: to picture that card right there? Can you see it? Now? Watch?
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: I didn't influence this in any way, did I. This
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: is your own choice one hundred and I say to
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: you Hearts, Diamonds, Club, Spades. There's all the four suits,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: there's the high cards, the low cards, all of these
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: different cards. And you had said earlier, blackjack poker. Look
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: at that card. Imagine what it looks like. Imagine the jack,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Queen and king have more ink because they're very full.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: They paint them versus for example, A two only has
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: the two hearts, and they go all the way through.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: And you know what you did. You decided because poker
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: on the back of the box Asus Spades is the
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: card in your hand, isn't it?
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: What that's crazy.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's space of spades invisible deck of cards didn't exist,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: so that.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: It seems that's crazy.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: I changed my mind like four times.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: I could tell you did I saw that, the shifting
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: and the changing, and you're like, I might going with
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: the different you would think of a different spade, he said,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back. That has to do. That's crazy,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: that's crazy.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: I was actively trying to like subvert you.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: But I can't do that at a poker tale because
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: I can't just tell the guy in front of me,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: look at your two cars before we get the river,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: look at me, do this do that. They're gonna be like,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: screw you, dude, I'm not doing any of this. Get
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: out of my face, put on the sunglasses, rock and roll.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: So in my performance, i'm the director. I get to
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: call the shots. Wow. So it doesn't, unfortunately work with everything.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: If it did, it'd be amazing. But to answer your question,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: I'm not living my life in like mode of like, well,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: that guy I always think of it as in the
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Boorne identity when he loses his memory and he's in
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: that diningery. He doesn't know who he is yet he's
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: like and he tells the guy next to why do
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: I know that guy's two fifty five in good fight?
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Why do I know this? Why do I know that?
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Right now? I know the four license plates of the
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: cars when I walked in? Why do I know all
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: this stuff? And he's starting to dawn on him. He's
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: like a secret spy agent badass. So I think it's
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: likento that where when I turn it on, I'm hyper
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: focused on what I do and my mission at hand,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: and the analyzing people very quickly, very very similar to
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: what you did, except it's done for under the context
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: of entertainment, which is when I'm in a crowd, I'm
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: looking around to see who I think will be great
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: for my next trick. When I'm performing this person right now,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: and if you ask me why was he so good?
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: People will come up to me at the end of
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: the show and go, why didn't you pick me? And
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: I got no offense to you. I just for whatever reason,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: And it's the intangible, it's the thirty years of training.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: You just weren't as good as them. Right now. I
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: thought they would deliver the best reaction and they would
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: mesh with what I wanted. Now in certain rooms, I
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: can't pick the person. You're on TV with three hosts,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: you got to use those three hosts. You make the
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: best of a situation. But when I have people to
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: choose from, and if you see me at like a
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: live show, that's very exciting. And the fact that you
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: like throw frisbees. We pick people randomly. If we're in
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: like an arena, we shoot T shirts like the a
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: throw Who's got it? Stand up? Please? And how could
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: I know who catch the T shirt? How could I
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: know who catch a frisbee? How could you know any
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: of this stuff? Then I work with those people, and
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: that's what really makes it real, because, yo, that's anyone.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: This is some drunk jerk who's like eight rows in,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: who's you know, barely conscious. How in the world did
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: you guess the name of his first crush?
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: I just I'm still sort of in shock that he
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: just did. So I'm like thinking through how how how
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: are you doing this? I don't. I realized that there's
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: more to it than like you do. Oh, here's I
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: was pretty good at the reason I was the guy
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: that did a lot of the questioning of the people
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: on site is because I had decent perception. I was
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: pretty good at figuring out who likely had more information
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: and it would like lead to weapons, cashes and whatever.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: So it was just like basically, uh, I was successful
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: enough that I kept doing it, so I was pretty perceptive.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: But like I think you still are, well, thank you.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: But it's like to be able to break down beyond
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: a gut feeling to like specifics. It's just where we
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: we've talked about this thing that you do. When you're
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: making it out, you're very humble about it. Yeah, yeah,
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: you can learn how to do it and whatever it is.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: But like no, yea, I had to Like again, I
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: wasn't a spider man, you know, bitten by a spider
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: and radioactive, and like I changed. It's been trial and error,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: it's been iteration and the same thing that has allowed
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: me to go run one hundred and fifty three miles.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: That like, how do you have children? We were talking
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: about right when I walked in. We had a couple
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: of minutes came here from the airport talking about our kids.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: And you want to instill a work ethic in your kids.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: It's very interesting because being a parent, I think is
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: my most important job and I'm assuming that's like that's
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: my immortality. It's like, who are they going to be?
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Because you as soon as you have kids, you start
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: to feel like, I'm going to die one day and
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: this is my future and their future, and it's like
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: a really no greater joy in life. But how do
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: I instill a work ethic in them? Because my kids
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: aren't going to grow up the same as me, and
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: I feeling I don't know what you're beginning for. Mine
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: were very humble where I had to work really hard
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: and I was like age sixteen. I was supporting myself,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: which I don't wish upon my kids. They'll never know
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: what that means. But I lived on my own and
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: I had to pay for college and I had to
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: find an apartment, and like, nobody paid for this stuff.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: So I had to figure life out early, which at
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: the time I felt kind of pissed because I'm like,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: all these other kids are going on vacation, they have
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: a car, their parents. I don't have any of that.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: But now, in hindsight, that set me up for success
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: in a huge way, and it made it so I
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: didn't have a safety net, so I had to become
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: the safety net. And I think that there's a level
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: of that toughness you have to either create in yourself
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: if it's not and a lot of people are going
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: to have it because a lot of people listening to
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: this are you know, hustling, and they might not have
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: any of these things. So I think that deciding on
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: a goal and not giving up is so it's so
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: much more important than almost natural talent, skill, anything is persistence.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: And you saying like, oh, I can't do this, there
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be that word in your vocabulary.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: You actually you said something going back to your Spartathlon
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: experience that actually really struck a chord with me. And
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: I give you a quick story that I think relates,
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: and I think that it plays into what you just said.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: So when you did not finish your Spartathlon race, yep,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: you came back and you obviously did it and you
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: successfully completed this study. But you said something to the
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: effect of, when I went into that second attempt, I
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: was prepared to basically die in order to complete this race.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: So for me, I've had exactly that experience one time,
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: and it changed my life afterwards. When I was in
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: seal training. Everyone thinks the hard part is at the
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: beginning of training. The famous sort of like hell week
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: and you're running around on the beach and you're beat
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: down and you're tired. That's bad. Not the hardest part.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: The hardest part comes about halfway through training. It's a
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: six month long course. Halfway through you're in the underwater
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: face and by this point, statistically virtually everybody in your
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: class is going to graduate despite the difficulty of this test.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: It's the moment you all are literally forced to have
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: this moment. It's horrifying. There's this test called pool competency.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: It's it's they tell you it's just this. You just
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: going through scuba tanks and you know the instructors are
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: going to come down there. You're in the nine foot
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: section of the pool and you're like crawling around and
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: the going to come down and just kind of screw
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: with you, and you're going to follow procedures that you're
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: taught to. Basically, after they've finished tumbling you around and
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: turning your air off, you go back on your knees
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: and they're watching you the whole time, and you follow
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: these steps. You reach back, you turn on your air,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: you check your j belt, you check your straps, make
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: sure it's a three fingerloop. Pear you check your weight belt.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: I can still do it now. But it's a procedure
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: that no matter what happens to you underwater, you reset,
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: you follow the procedure. But each problem that they give you,
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: whether it's tying a nod in your hose or whatever
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: it is, gets progressively harder to fix. All fixable problems
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: for twenty minutes, and so each time someone's come down
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: on you, first of all, as they're attacking you, you
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: have to go into the fetal position and just wait.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: You're not getting air. They're tumbling you around, so you're
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: going about sixty seconds to ninety seconds with no air.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: And then you need to follow the procedure. So you
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: can see you become more and more hypercapnick you're not breathing.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: And it's this test of staying calm and following the
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: procedures despite literally being on the precipice of passing out.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Call it simulated drowning. This test, and you get four
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: attempts at it, And so I wanted and one of
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: the things you got to do is you gotta say calm.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: And so I went in and I'm doing the test,
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: failed it miserably four times in a row. Wasn't even close,
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: was not even close. Like I actually was the guy
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: that they had to put a pink piece of tape
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: around my ankle. And it wasn't even to humiliate me.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: It's I would get so panicked. I would push off
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: the bottom of the pool and go to the surface.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: But we're breathing mixed gas and if you do that,
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: you can risk rupturing your lungs with air bubbles. So
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: you have to be kept that you have to go
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: up at a certain speed, and so there's like stand
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: by divers there to keep me from panicking and rocketing
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: to the surface. And so I failed four times in
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: a row, and as a result, I actually got rolled
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: out of the class.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: I was in.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: I was with all my buddies in there, like, look,
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: we're going to give you one more shot, and you're
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: gonna leave this class, go to the next class and
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: you can try again with that class. And so I
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: go to the next class six months and actually it
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: was just a couple months. They'd let me start in
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: the second phase. But so I go into the next class.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: And the thing is is the students in this class,
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: they've been through the hell week and everything, and they
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: know I'm gon roll back yep, And I sort of
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: took on the role of like I'm gonna be a mentor, like, yeah,
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: I obviously failed pool competents, we're all gonna take it
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: here soon. But I really tried hard to be like
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: a mentor, like here's what I experienced. I obviously failed it,
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: but let me give you all the insights I can
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: possibly give you. And everyone's looking at me like ow,
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: John's got it, like yeah, he failed, but he's gonna
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: be fine. And so we get to test day and
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: I failed the first two attempts, not out of panic,
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: out of procedural problems, and so I fail on Friday.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: There's two more attempts left and it's on that Monday,
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: and if I don't pass them, not only will it
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: humiliate me, but I'm dropped from seal training. Yeah, that
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: weekend was horrible because I'm thinking about this test. On
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Monday morning, I got to the pool deck and I
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: was so nervous all weekend and I'm sitting on the
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: pool deck. They make you sit with your back to
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: the pool, and they made me go last that day,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: and I'm hearing the instructors like ripping kids' hoses. You're
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: like air bubbling up off the pool. Kids are like
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: passing out, like redline and Medic's running over. It's chaos,
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: and you're just sitting there waiting for your turn. And
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: then when it was my turn, I just had this
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: mental shift occur. I was like, holy shit, I'm gonna
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: fucking die in that pool before I fail this test.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: And I got in the water and it was like
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: calm comes over me and I begin this test and
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: it didn't matter how long I went without air, it
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: didn't matter what the problem was. I had fully committed
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: to this concept of I will literally die before I
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: fail this test. Yeah, and I passed and it was
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: so easy. And it showed me that like there is
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: a there's a point where you can convince yourself that
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: your mind can sort of override all the discomfort and
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: you can basically do whatever you want. And you described
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: when you went and did the spartathle on the second
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: time that feeling of I will die before I don't
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: finish this race ndred percent and sure enough you did it.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: And so do you think that's something everybody can achieve?
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: That level of I will go full send no matter what,
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Because I think for you, clearly, you put yourself in
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: pressure situations and you just go for it. Like I
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: feel like maybe that's something that we have that others don't,
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: or do you think that anyone can tap into that.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: That's such a tough question because it's hard to speak
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: for other people and where mental toughness comes from. And
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: I think you build it up over time. I don't
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: think you're born with it at all. Those failures that
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: reinforced later. Had you gotten it on the first try,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: where would you be today? Isn't that a funny question
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: to ask yourself? Would you still be this person? So
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: when I came back the second time, I had this
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: guy who I saw at mile like I don't remember
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: what mile it was, probably was. I finished I DNF
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: at seventy eight. But is this bold dude? I think
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: it was like from Eastern Europe. He's wearing this thing
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: and we're in the middle of the night and I'm
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: a wreck. I'm a wreck bro like just been puking
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: maybe one hundred times, and now I'm writing my DNF speech, which,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: in the parlance of ultra marathonings, did not finish. They
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: don't write a time next to your name they write DNF,
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: which is so embarrassing and just kills you. And so
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: I've already written my speech what I'm gonna tell my
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: wife when I went to Greece and spent all this
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: money and my friends were like, dude, how'd you do
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: on that race? And you got to like you got
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: to eat it and tell everyone, well, oh, you know,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: you gotta have that sort of like I'm gonna learn
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: from this experience and I'm gonna come back strong like
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: all that bullshit that I you know, no, you should
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: have finished. And so I see this guy and I'm
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: I'm already talking all this stuff like, oh man, I
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: don't have it today. I don't. We're at aid station
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: together in the middle of the night, we haven't slept
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: all night, and this guy looks at me. He doesn't
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: really understand elish and his eyes he's these crazy eyes,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: so they're open. I'll never forget it. He looked at
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: me and he goes, He goes, if you cannot run,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: you walk. If you cannot walk, you crawl. But you
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: never you never stopped, like he like like a cycle,
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: like a zombie apocalypse. And in the moment, I couldn't
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: digest it right. I couldn't. I couldn't. I couldn't take
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: that and bottle it up and shoot it in my vein.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: But slowly after I left, I couldn't. It haunted me
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: because this guy like that's that, what he had in
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: his eyes is what I need to have the next year.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: And so that like slowly worked into my DNA, And
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: when I got there, I was you on that attempt.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: When I started, there was no doubt there was it
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: was there. There's no doubt. I am finishing this thing
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: no matter what. And when the voice enters my head
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: that says you aren't finishing. What are you talking about?
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: You don't exist? Gone, we go right back to the mindset.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: I'm hard and steel titanium, where I'm finishing, no matter what.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: If that means I'm walking the next twenty four hours
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: puking with a splint on my leg, I'm finishing this
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: race because now this is life or death.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: That's incredible. Yeah, it's funny. I rarely meet people that
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: have had a comparable experience to what I described with
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: pool comp but it's so clear, like for you, this
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: is like a defining moment. And so if people understand
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: that in their own lives that if you had to,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: if you had to, if your thing is, oh man,
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: I really want to start a business. Oh man, I
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: really want to run a spartak on or be a seal,
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: or whatever it is. Whatever someone's goal is, however big
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: or small, if the stakes were as big as they
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: could possibly be, you could do it right or you
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: could die trying. That's the level of commitment that some
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: people need to understand goes into success as a compounding effect.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: As soon as I became a seal, it showed me
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: that I now have the capacity to set big goals
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: and to achieve them, not be someone who claims to
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: want to do things. But then right there dnf story
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: of why I never actually did.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: It right, And that knowledge that that exact way you said,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: the knowledge that you did it now changes the way
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: your mind is wired, because now you go, oh my god,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: what else could I do? And now if I set
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: my mind to it, you start to believe in yourself
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: in a certain way, and that becomes self fulfilling. So
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: I think, for whatever people do again, if it's a
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: inspirational messaging, my book is designed to be motivational, but
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: it's designed to be action oriented, like I want to
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: teach people a word I'll hold up while you're talking,
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: how to take action. So like literally the words I
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: use and I thought about slot was proven habits for
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: success because a lot of people think you're gonna get
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: this book is that I'm gonna teach you magic tricks
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: or mentalism tricks. And the real talk is you can
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: find those elsewhere. So the book is not going to
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: teach you tricks. I just I need everyone to know
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: because they're gonna buy and be like, dude, where do
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: you teach me what? Joe Burrow, how is you throwing
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: the ball? I go, I'm not going to teach you
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: how I do the tricks. But knowing what somebody who
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: might have control of your life, knowing when to approach
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: your boss, what to say, and how to get the
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: rays that you've been working for the last two years.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: What if you could do that and up your chances
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: by ten twenty thirty forty percent of doing that and
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: getting them to do what you want. That to me
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: is worth a couple bucks. That's worth your time, which
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: is even more valuable in the amount of money for
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: the book to read it. And we got a lot
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: of fun stories baked in there as well from my
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: crazy Life.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: This book really captures the essence of someone who has
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: put themselves in highly stressful situations and persevered, and they've
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: lived a life of basically pretending that everything is a
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: must succeed and how to basically, you know, harness your
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: mind and in some ways, you know, learn how to
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: read other people and influence other people. But this is
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: a very powerful I'm going to call it a self
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: help book because to me, this is like practically a
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: bible of how to motivate and how to be the
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: best version of yourself. So this is an amazing book.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: You got to check it out.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Reading your Mind, your fellow Navy seal David Goggins gave
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: me the quote on the top which says, learn to
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: master the most powerful weapon, your mind, which encapsulates what
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: the entire book is all about, which is your mind
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: controls your success. Whatever success is defined for you, which
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: if for everyone, is different. Maybe it's monetary, maybe it's romantic,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: maybe it's want to have kids. Maybe I just want
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: to do something I'm not doing now. And how do
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: you get from step A to B to C? And
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: I know that sounds so silly, but in almost every
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: instance other people are involved in that journey. And my
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: whole training has been how to win over people, how
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: to know what they're thinking, how to influence them right,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: how to get rid of the fear of rejection, failure,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: which is a huge part of my book, which is
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: mostly what holds people back. That is such a huge factor.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: And I learned that at a young age, doing like
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: restaurant magic and all those little things. I learned how
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: to iterate and improve. I want to give you decades
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: of the mistakes I made, but I want to distill
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: out of the what you can do to fast track
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: your success.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: That's amazing.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question, John, if I told
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: you right now, okay, the book is in your hand yep,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: and I were to ask you to flip to any
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: page you wanted. Impulse is spontaneous in my book, any
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: page you wanted, and look at it, and then pick
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: any word, and then I try to guess the word
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: on the surface. That seems crazy, right, That seem amazing.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: But I'm watching this like somebody at home, and I
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: want to go to the skeptic, not the normal person,
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: but the outlier, the one out of one hundred, he goes, yo,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: but he he wrote the book. I wrote the book.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: So what if I have a photographic memory. What if
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: I know it's on every single page, and if I
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: could see what page you're on, I could say, right,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: that could have happened. That's a plausible but very improbable solution.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: So what if instead of doing that, because this is
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: my book, can we just see this room? This is
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: not this is by the way, shout out to your team, sick.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: The setup here is incredible. It is for this interview amazing.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: I've been a lot of interviews and this might take
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: the cake hundreds, hundreds and hundreds of books, probably thousands.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: So if I were to instead ask you to walk
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: up to any one of these books, now, not physically,
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: but mentally. If I would have said, walk up to
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: any book in this room, grab it, walk up, and
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: I want you to flip it open to any page,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: to look at that page, and to go back and
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: forth and today and stop at any word. Can you
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: see this happening in your close your eyes? In your
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: mind's I envision that occurring? Did you just play it out? Yep? Okay,
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: open your eyes, be honest, right, these people trust you.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: They've seen you for years. This is in stage. This
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: isn't set up. There is no conceivd way I could
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: know what you would have done. You didn't even know
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: what you were gonna do before I asked you to
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: ye fair. When people flip, some people will find a
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: specific page that has a meaning to them, like maybe
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: a kid's birthday. Maybe it's January twenty fourth, you could
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: have won twenty four to be fun about it. Or
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: some people just flip to a random page. Now watch,
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: I watch to see the reaction. I don't think you
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: got nostalgic personal reference the page you picked. It doesn't
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: have a meaning to you, does it? No? I didn't
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: think so. I didn't see it that way. I also
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: see it as when you just flip, you go am stop.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: You were quick, You felt rushed, so you rushed. I
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: could see it. You feel a little tense, so some
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: people would and they would have gone longer in the book. Again,
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: you don't have to tell me this. Do we have
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: a marker? Do you have something we could write with?
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: I have a pen?
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: A pen? Okay, I'm gonna close is that your pen?
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: It is okay? I'm gonna close my eyes and I
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: want you to do this close to your body and
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: on the palm of your hand, and make sure there's
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: no way I could see this and there's no camera
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: behind you. Does it right? Does the pen right? Yep? Okay,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna close my eyes on the palm of your
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: hand with no camera, nothing behind you, right as big
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: as you can. What page number you went to in
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: the book? When you're done, blow on it, put it
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: close to your chest. Nobody could have seen that? Correct?
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Correct?
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Okay? Can I open my eyes? My gut says again,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: I'm fishing. Did I get a bite? Yes, I reel
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: it in. I think you went with an earlier page,
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: my gut says, because I've seen what you would do.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: I think it was two digits. Now, I ask myself,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: look at the smile to laugh. You might as well
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: say yes, so I keep going. It's so unlikely that
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: you would have done the first thirty or forty pages
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: because it's too you can't even flip the page. You
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: open a book and you go it's already off your
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: thumb before I even got a page fifty. So now
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: what feels like a what feels like a number that's
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: got like some text, but not, and I think that
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: you would have done right. The backward had a couple
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: buttons open, showing some chest hair. He is more of
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: an odd type of guy than an even you're not
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: to buy the book. I think you might have thought
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: of the number chuckled and been like inappropriate. So you
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: wouldn't have done sixty nine, even though it's so funny.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: You did sixty seven, didn't you. Can we see your
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: hands the number sixty seven?
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, that's insane, what dude?
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: How any book, any page, but any word is near infinite.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: I don't want you to write anything. People are gonna say,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: he's got a trick hand, he's got a trick pen.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: This is your stuff. Don't write down a thing, whatever
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: word you saw in your mind in a book, not
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: a real book, you imagine. Throw the pen away. I
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: want you to count without using your fingers. Out using
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: your fingers to count the number of letters to yourself,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: not out allowed in the words you selected, just to yourself.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: Count it to yourself. Don't say it out loud at
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: the end. Some people, right when they get it, they
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: say it all right, No, maybe not the double check.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: Hold up, Oh, don't even say that now you gave
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: so much away. The double check is always an indicator
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: of a longer word. No one double checks the word
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: open your eyes. No one double checks a word that's
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: five letters or less. No one, So now we know
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: it's longer. Also, you probably would have done a longer word.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: Nobody does. And the he shee if under this level
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: of pressure, no way, we're balling, baby. I think he
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: did a longer word. I think this place it's got
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: this ambiance of like gravity, and and you know, some
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: of these books are probably hundreds of years old. Okay,
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: think of the word you counted twice. I most people
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: when they count the second, they realize they got it wrong.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: And they realize, oh crap, I count of wrong the
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: first time, and you did that. But they usually count
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: longer and then shorter. And that's what you did. And
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: on my gut says you were like, no, no, it's
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: not You thought it was nine, but it's actually eight letters,
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: isn't it. Yeah, that's what happened in your mind. That's
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: not even. And imagine that you write down the word.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: You're not gonna write a thing. I want this to
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: be all on your mind. You write down eight letters
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: like hang man, yep, you reach over and you just
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: go back and forth and you don't know why, but
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: you stop on one letter and you circle that one letter.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: You circle one letter somewhere in the word did you
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: do it? In the word? Is how? I Q you
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: when I say that, almost nobody does the first letter.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: The first letter will give away the rest of the
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: word for a lot of people. And then also in
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: makes it feel like should be in between. You didn't
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: do the first letter, did you? No? See, I was
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: trying to guide you. And then a lot of people
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: will avoid the vowels because we know there's vowels. You
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: didn't do a vwel? Did you? So again we're going
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: down that path and now you jump back and forth.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: You're like, do I do this one? And my gut
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: said you were about to do a letter and you
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: jumped over the letter you're thinking of, No, I don't.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: It's not in the word more than once? Is it? M?
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: It is?
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: It is right, it is because you jump between the
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: two of them. And what's weird is the first letter
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: you were about to circle, but you didn't. You were
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: gonna do a T and you didn't. You're thinking of
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: an S aren't you swear to them? There's no setup here.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: This is not stage. You really literally, we have a book,
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: a room with hundreds of books, thousands of books. You
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: imagine your mind picking one up, opening it up and
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: going to any word. Close your eyes. Can you cover
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: them with your hand? Please? I want to show them
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: at home because people will say later that I changed
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: what I wrote. Somehow is as recovered? Can we see
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: this for any camera or no? Have we seen one?
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Open your eyes? What are you picturing in your mind?
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: You flipped an invisible book to page sixty seven, You
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: saw hundreds of words stopped. One of them jumped out
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: at you. What was that word?
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: Chastise?
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Chastise?
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: Oh dude, that's such a random word. That's crazy. This
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: is not stage. This is crazy. That's crazy. I picked
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: that because that's the most bizarre word I could think of.
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: I don't even know what to say. I'm like looking
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: at other people. Look, I don't even know what's supposed
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: to do. That is uh. I gotta be honest, I
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: don't even know what to say. I'm shocked. That's I
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: knew you probably would be able to do this, but
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: this is this is not set up, but he walked
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: in and within two minutes we were filming. This is uh,
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: this is I'm blowing.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: Away create memorable moments that people take and the stories
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: they tell. And you could chastise me, but you've got
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: a story that's gonna live in your brain for a while.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: That's my that's my goal. Is I just put a
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: splinter in your brain. You're gonna try to pick out
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: four years and make how did he know how? And
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: I wasn't eve gonna do pay sixty seven? I did
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: that the last minute. I changed.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: That is so wild? Did what was like your first
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: time doing this, like your first big moment of big
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: trick with a big audience, and you nailed it.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: So I think certain things in life can't be bought
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: but have to be earned the same way when you're
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: in seales training, there's no there's no check you can
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: write to get that right. So certain things in life
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: you really have to earn. And so I when I
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: did that show America's got talent. Yeah, I never expected
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: to go as far as I did. I was truly
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: this isn't like oh this false humility. Every round I
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: was in I gave it my all and I didn't
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: think what I'm gonna do next. It's just like when
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: I hear wide receivers who at tight ends when they say,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: what do you focus on when the ball gets thrown
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: your way catching it? You do not think of what
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: you're gonna do after you catch the ball or you
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: drop the ball. And so my mindset every single time
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: was this, I'm gonna just do everything I can in
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: this round, kill it, and that's it. I never and
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: then there was no end then, which I think is
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: a powerful thing to do, because as soon as you
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: start thinking and then you start getting hung up and
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: you drop the ball. So where do I go with this?
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: Every round? At the end of it, it was the
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: highs and lows were insane because the eyes like I
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: just made it through. The lows were like, oh crap,
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: I didn't plan where I'm gonna do next round, which
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: might be in a week or two. It's got to
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: be better than this. So it was like these two
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: mixed emotions. So when I got to the finale, the finale,
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: this was like the heyday of the show. In linear TV,
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: which now if peop are like TV, where do I
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: watch TV online? This is when like fifteen million people
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: would tune in live. Radio sitting is called live. That
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: means I am on a stage radio sitting, there's six
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: thousand people in the audience, and this is airing to
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: everyone live, which means if you screw up, ain't no
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: safety net. You don't get caught. You don't go to
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: go cut, cut cut, it's not going right. So if
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: chastise isn't the word, if you didn't think of the
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: letter as if and none of those things happened, I
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: can't get out of it. So my finale, that was
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: one of those moments that was life changing.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe it.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: Believe it.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: So you've accomplished so much and you clearly are somebody
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: that is taking big swings. Like you've said, do you
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: have any sort of like bucket list life items that
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: still or like I really want to accomplish that at
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: some point.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: It's funny you think that, because I think I'm just
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: starting so like in my mind, I'm so forward facing.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: And it's something I tell myself on a regular basis
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: to like live in the moment because it's always like,
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: what's the next thing, what's the next thing? And that's
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: a problem in life because when you do earn certain things,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: or I have like pinch me moments. I've pinched me
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: moments where I'm like in the room with Steven Spielberg
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: or lebron and like you just have this moment of like, dude,
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: just think back to you twenty years ago, if you
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: can go in a time machine meet yourself, like Marty mcfliny,
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: like you're not gonna believe what you're gonna do in
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: ten years or twenty years. But there's a lot of things.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: Having my own series, I'm so excited about that that's
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: been years and years and years in the making of
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: having not just all these clips that you see, yep,
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: but a show that you get to see who I am,
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: not just what I do, right, so you get to
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: get a feeling for like when am I? Who am I?
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: What makes me tick? And hopefully the book too, which
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: is for years something I didn't feel confident to write
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: a book because I'm like, what story do I have
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: to tell? Man, I do these cool tricks, that's awesome,
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: But I start to really see that I think some
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: of the things that I do in my life that
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: are surrounding the mentalism are the actual hidden tricks and
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: tips for success. This whole thing mentalism is very fresh
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: and new. It's been around for one hundred plus years,
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: but I think people are just getting this awareness of it.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: And it's because of the sports team, It's because of
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: these things, but they're starting to see like, this isn't magic,
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: this is really cool and different and it captivates people's imaginations.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: And I'm trying to elevate the field, not just for
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: myself but like the other people that do it. It's
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: kind of like the rising title lists all ships. It's
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: good for my industry, it's good for us, and it
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: makes what I do like cool and innovative. And I
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: like the fact that I'm being tied to it where
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: I want to be the name brand for this art.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: When you ask somebody in five years, who's your favorite mentalist?
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: If you ask in that today, the question is what's
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: a mentalist in five years? If I've done my job
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: right the instant and answer that question, you mean you mean, like,
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: oh's the mentalist like the Google, the Kleenex that you create,
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: the moniker and the brand because you've aligned yourself so
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: closely with what this is that people associate you with it.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: Dude, on that note, where's your book? That's amazing. We're
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: going to make sure that if you want more insights
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: from the world's greatest mentalist, check out Read Your Mind.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: It's his new book by Ois Pearlman. Uh. This is incredible.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: It has all those tips, tricks, secrets, mental hacks, you
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: name it. You got to go check it out. Thank
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: you so much for being on here. It's been a
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: child pleasure.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: Thanks you, Adam, Thank.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: You seriously mind blown. This is this is I don't
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: even know what this is. Chastise sixty seven crazy. Thank you, Els.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: You got it.