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Credlin | 19 May · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the programming. Breaking news that's just
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Speaker 2: gone up online. The remaining isis women and Children eighteen
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Speaker 2: or so. We're told looks scept to try and return
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Speaker 2: to Australia next week. Nothing yet from the government. Here's
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Speaker 2: what else is coming up from Credlin tonight. Victoria Cross
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Speaker 2: heroes family dumped by Canberra after years of honoring their
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Speaker 2: son's sacrifice. The parents of a commando killed in Afghanistan
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Speaker 2: are told their government supports being cut. Mister Doug Baird,
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Speaker 2: a dad who's given so much to honor his son,
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Speaker 2: joins me tonight. Another national security bombshell reports that thousands
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Speaker 2: of Australian scientists have collaborated with institutions linked to the
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Speaker 2: Chinese military. We'll speak with an expert on just how
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Speaker 2: big the risk is here. Class is South Australian liberal
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Speaker 2: who breaks ranks today to attack Anger's tal over his
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Speaker 2: quote negative policy on immigration and Anthony Albanez.
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Speaker 3: He misses.
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Speaker 2: The point is thousands of small business owners used AI
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Speaker 2: generated memes to accuse the PM of being anti business.
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Speaker 4: I think some of them are very flattering and I
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Speaker 4: thanked them for picking very nice photos of me, and
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Speaker 4: I thank them for that.
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Speaker 2: That will horrify the labor strategists. I'll explain why in
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Speaker 2: a moment, but first, the more I dig into the
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Speaker 2: detail regarding that horror budget last week, the more I'm
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Speaker 2: convinced that this was done in a rush, that they
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Speaker 2: didn't think things through, and even where things were considered
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Speaker 2: in the usual way that governments consider budgets, those labor
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Speaker 2: types sitting around the cabinet table had no idea of
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Speaker 2: the real world consequences of their decisions. And this is
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Speaker 2: because labor politicians do not live in the real world.
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Speaker 2: Labor ministers come into the Parliament a long way removed
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Speaker 2: from the lived experience of those who run small businesses
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Speaker 2: or farms, or simply aspire to get ahead.
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Speaker 1: This treasure hasn't got a clue.
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Speaker 5: This government hasn't got a clue. You know why, because
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Speaker 5: none of them have ever worked seriously in small businesses.
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Speaker 5: Now of them understand it. They don't get it. They
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Speaker 5: haven't got a clue. It's a death tax by stealth,
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Speaker 5: there's no doubt about that. Look, there's a lot of
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Speaker 5: stealth in this budget and.
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Speaker 2: They don't get it because the modern labor politician comes
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Speaker 2: up through activism at university, activism through the unions. It
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Speaker 2: increasingly left wing factional activism that sets them up in
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Speaker 2: opposition to the aspirational capitalism that's been a hallmark of
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Speaker 2: this country and built so much of out prosperity. Work hard,
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Speaker 2: get ahead well. That used to be the Australian way.
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Speaker 3: Not anymore. And when these labor.
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Speaker 2: MPs take big decisions, as they did in the budget,
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Speaker 2: they do so in a vacuum. They simply do not
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Speaker 2: understand the consequences that will occur on the ground when
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Speaker 2: these decisions hit home. Can you just imagine it, can't you,
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Speaker 2: labor politicians, they would have thought that anyone operating a
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Speaker 2: testamentary trust with someone rich with a whole lot of
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Speaker 2: money to dispose when they die. For example after example
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Speaker 2: shows this is not the case. Even people with modest
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Speaker 2: means want to organize their affairs so that they can
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Speaker 2: look after those they love with whatever money is left
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Speaker 2: when they die. And at a minimum, we're really talking
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Speaker 2: here about only really the proceeds from the sale of
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Speaker 2: the family home and maybe some super squirreled away.
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Speaker 3: Not rich people now for.
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Speaker 2: Reasons that Labour still can't explain. The budget changes that
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Speaker 2: have exempted the fixed testamentary trusts from these GST changes
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Speaker 2: do not exempt the discretionary ones.
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Speaker 3: Now here's the difference.
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Speaker 2: A fixed trust specifies who will get whatever money and
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Speaker 2: whatever other items of value from your estate when you die.
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Speaker 2: A fixed trust is established in the will that dictates
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Speaker 2: exactly how when the assets are distributed. There's no leeway
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Speaker 2: for the trustee. And when I say this, it's specific.
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Speaker 2: A fixed trust must detail your disbursements. For example, you
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Speaker 2: want fifty thousand to Jane, eighty thousand to John, one
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Speaker 2: hundred thousand to Mary. And as the name implies, these
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Speaker 2: amounts are fixed and they can't be changed unless the
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Speaker 2: trust deed is remade. Now that, of course, when you
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Speaker 2: remake a trust means stamp duty implications and legal fees.
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Speaker 3: That's a fixed trust.
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Speaker 2: As I said, Labor has not hit it with death
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Speaker 2: taxes the other they have. The other type of testamentary
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Speaker 2: trust is a discretionary trust. And this is the trust
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Speaker 2: that will now cop the thirty percent death tax.
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Speaker 3: It's a trust that is.
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Speaker 2: Established within the will that only becomes active after the
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Speaker 2: willmaker passes away instead of assets being given outright to beneficiaries,
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Speaker 2: the nominated trustee is the person who controls the assets.
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Speaker 3: Well, they've got absolute.
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Speaker 2: Discretion over how the income and the capital is distributed
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Speaker 2: to the group of beneficiaries. Again, as the name implies,
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Speaker 2: it is discretionary. It puts your money in the hands
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Speaker 2: of your nominated trustee when you die. That could be
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Speaker 2: your lawyer, it could be your accountant. They then work out,
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Speaker 2: based on your general wishes, who gets what, depending on
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Speaker 2: how much is left in your estate and the circumstances
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Speaker 2: of your family members for whom you have left money.
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Speaker 2: So here's an example.
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Speaker 3: You leave each of your three.
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Speaker 2: Children an equal sum, but you leave it to the
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Speaker 2: discretion of your trust that the money is adjusted based
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Speaker 2: on the number of grandchildren that your children might have
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Speaker 2: in the future. When you establish your trust, let's say
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Speaker 2: you don't have any grandchildren at all. You hope they'll
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Speaker 2: come and you want them all looked after, but you
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Speaker 2: can't fix them in the trust because you don't know
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Speaker 2: who they are, and you don't know how many you'll
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Speaker 2: have in total. So it's a trust that can grow
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Speaker 2: and evolve as the lives of your children, Your beneficiaries changes.
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Speaker 2: Here's another very real example. Let's say you've got a
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Speaker 2: child with a disability, and you do not want to
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Speaker 2: die suddenly and leave them with a big lump sum
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Speaker 2: to manage. You worry that they're vulnerable and they'll need help,
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Speaker 2: so you prefer a discretionary trust, because that way, your
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Speaker 2: trustee can help your disabled child manage the money so
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Speaker 2: that they're not ripped off, and so that what you've
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Speaker 2: got to leave them can last as long as possible
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Speaker 2: to secure their future. Now I have I've been inundated
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Speaker 2: with dozens of emails from many of my viewers in
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Speaker 2: just this circumstance. Many of you you've told me you're
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Speaker 2: not rich. What we are talking here is about a
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Speaker 2: modest estate. As one mother said in her email to me,
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Speaker 2: and I won't name her to protect her privacy, I
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Speaker 2: have a daughter, Peter, with financial support needs. She's got
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Speaker 2: a low IQ and there's unlikely to ever earn a
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Speaker 2: substantial or living income. One of my principal concerns is
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Speaker 2: that should I pass away, a direct lump sum inheritance
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Speaker 2: could expose her to financial exploitation. A testamentary trust provides
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Speaker 2: an important safeguard. By ensuring that inherited assets can be
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Speaker 2: managed responsibly for her long term housing and living needs.
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Speaker 2: A flat thirty percent tax rate to distributions from discretionary
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Speaker 2: testamentary trusts. This is what the government's bringing in. It
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Speaker 2: significantly reduced, she says, the income available to support vulnerable
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Speaker 2: beneficiaries such as my daughter. In practical terms, writes this mother,
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Speaker 2: this would erode the value of relatively modest inheritances and
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Speaker 2: may ultimately increase reliance on government income support. So this
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Speaker 2: mom is trying to ensure her daughter is off the taxpayer,
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Speaker 2: Yet alban Easy is taxing her heart hard. That mother
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Speaker 2: is right to be worried. And what's the win here
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Speaker 2: for the government. What is the benefit That mother could
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Speaker 2: give her daughter a lump some She doesn't want to,
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Speaker 2: we know why. But she could give her a lump
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Speaker 2: some and that would not be taxed. She could give
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Speaker 2: her a lump sum via a fixed trust, again no tax.
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Speaker 2: But in trying to protect her disabled daughter, Labour is
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Speaker 2: going to hit her with a new thirty p send
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Speaker 2: death tax. Now, the fact that Bill Shorten exempted all
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Speaker 2: of these testamentary trusts, fixed and discretionary from earlier CGT
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Speaker 2: tax proposals. That shows that shortened understood the reality of
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Speaker 2: these arrangements, and the fact that Jim Chalmers now can't
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Speaker 2: explain why he's upended all of this or that says
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Speaker 2: everything you need to know.
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Speaker 6: Look, I'm not revisiting the decisions that we took some
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Speaker 6: parliaments ago. Our job is to make the right decisions
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Speaker 6: on policy in twenty twenty six, not to redo the
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Speaker 6: policy decisions taken in twenty eighteen or nineteen or whenever
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Speaker 6: it was.
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Speaker 3: That's code for I can't remember why we did it.
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Speaker 2: I think we're stuffed up, but I don't want to
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Speaker 2: admit that we've got it as wrong as we had.
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Speaker 2: Nothing tells me more that these changes were rushed, not understood,
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Speaker 2: and certainly.
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Speaker 3: Not thought through. The and this death tax hit.
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Speaker 2: As each day passes, the budget gets worse and worse,
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Speaker 2: as people start to pick through the detail, detail that
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Speaker 2: Labor itself can't even understand, doesn't understand, and can't explain.
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Speaker 3: This is what I think's happened.
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Speaker 2: As the Liberals started to tank at the start of
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Speaker 2: the year, you know, leadership speculation, turf, the leader, bad polls,
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Speaker 2: Labor went for broke Albaneze.
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Speaker 3: He pulled out of the bottom.
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Speaker 2: Drawer all the hard left tax wishless ideas that he's
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Speaker 2: carried around in his backpack since his university days, and
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Speaker 2: he threw them all on the table. Now, his weak
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Speaker 2: ministers they didn't understand any of it, so they waved
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Speaker 2: it all through. Now the chickens are coming home to roost.
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Speaker 2: If he goes hard, this could be the beginning of
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Speaker 2: the comeback for the Coalition, as Anger's tailor plays to
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Speaker 2: his economic strengths. But what is already clear is that
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Speaker 2: this this budget has no winners. Almost every Australian is
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Speaker 2: a loser, and the Prime Minister is the biggest loser
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Speaker 2: of all.
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Speaker 3: All right, let's get.
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Speaker 2: The headlines now from Canberra Sky News political reporter Ribbon Spargo.
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Speaker 7: The Prime Minister is responding to growing backlash from business
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Speaker 7: owners over the government's broken promise on capital gains tax.
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Speaker 7: Tech founders are mocking the changes, posting AI generated photos
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Speaker 7: of Anthony Alberici as their new founder and I thanked them.
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Speaker 4: For picking very nice photos of me, and I thank
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Speaker 4: them for that.
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Speaker 7: Critics are warning the new tax system could send startups overseas.
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Speaker 5: They are under a soul. I mean the Labor Party
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Speaker 5: clearly doesn't like small business.
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Speaker 7: The PM is selling the budget visiting a housing development
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Speaker 7: in Perth, Labor signaling possible relief for small businesses facing
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Speaker 7: the impact of its controversial new trust tax changes. Owners
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Speaker 7: could have to pay additional state stamp duty to restructure
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Speaker 7: their business.
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Speaker 4: We will work through with state governments those issues, say,
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Speaker 4: state taxes, not comwalt taxes.
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Speaker 7: The government is again denying the changes amount to an
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Speaker 7: inheritance tax. China are sending six hundred thousand bottles of
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Speaker 7: jet fuel to Australia aboard three cargo ships as the
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Speaker 7: Iran war strained supplies. The shipments due to arrive later
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Speaker 7: this month.
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Speaker 4: What is happening internationally is having an impact right throughout
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Speaker 4: our region, and I thank Premier Lee for the support.
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Speaker 8: That's been given.
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Speaker 7: Anthony Albinizi also announced additional urea fertilizer will be delivered.
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Speaker 2: All right, the war on death taxes and entrepreneurial young
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Speaker 2: people blowing up in the Prime Minister's face, that's absolutely certain.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now to discuss this Sky Andese political contributor
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Speaker 2: Chris Yielman, Chris, I'll get to the young people and
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Speaker 2: this social media war. But let's start with the trusts.
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Speaker 2: I made the point that Bill Shorten, when they've last
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Speaker 2: looked at trusts and CGT, he exempted these testamentary trusts
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Speaker 2: related to people's wills and estates, not now. And I
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Speaker 2: think the problem here is they've rushed this. I genuinely
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Speaker 2: don't think they understand what they did. I don't think
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Speaker 2: they thought it through. And they've punished one type of
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Speaker 2: trust and they've let the other one go through unscathed.
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Speaker 2: And now I think this is really biting, and I
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Speaker 2: think the most vulnerable people and we're talking about the
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Speaker 2: parents of disabled children and others, or particularly young children.
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Speaker 2: They've gone down the path of a discretionary trust for
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Speaker 2: a reason. But I think labor here's the word trust
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Speaker 2: around the cabinet table. They think everyone's rich and it's
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Speaker 2: a soak the rich sort of budget.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, peterble In this instance, the politics for them is
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Speaker 9: worse than the.
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Speaker 1: Policy, and the policy is pretty bad.
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Speaker 9: They've actually attacked the plumbing of the system that they're
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Speaker 9: trying to say that this is an exotic vehicle that
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Speaker 9: really rich people use to try and avoid taxation. When
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Speaker 9: you to investigate it you find there's a very different story.
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Speaker 9: And the worst thing that they've done in terms of
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Speaker 9: the politics, they've introduced complete uncertainty in the future.
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Speaker 1: And how did they do that?
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Speaker 9: Will they lied about what they were going to do? Now,
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Speaker 9: any single question that's asked of them that they deny,
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Speaker 9: nobody will believe, or at least that's the opportunity that's
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Speaker 9: been opened up for the coalition here. So if the
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Speaker 9: coalition says they're going to introduce death duties, not just
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Speaker 9: through some exotic trust system, but death duties on everything,
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Speaker 9: and then you'll replumb the intergenerational equity argument when young
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Speaker 9: people think that they might be cut out of their
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Speaker 9: inheritance by the fact that the government will be getting
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Speaker 9: in on the act. Now, they can deny that until
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Speaker 9: they're blue in the face, and they may well be
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Speaker 9: telling the truth when they say that.
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Speaker 1: The problem is nobody knows.
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Speaker 9: And so that's the real issue that they've opened up
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Speaker 9: in this budget.
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Speaker 3: What about all.
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Speaker 2: These memes, you know, we've seen them all on social media,
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Speaker 2: people standing with a sort of a picture of the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister Ai generated drop in saying I'll meet my
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Speaker 2: silent business part he gets all the money, does none
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Speaker 2: of the work type thing. He was pretty flippant in
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Speaker 2: his response today. But you and I both know labor
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Speaker 2: think they own this ground social media area, but also
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Speaker 2: the younger cohort. They will not like the fact that
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Speaker 2: this is really undercutting their intergenerational equity narrative.
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Speaker 9: Oh absolutely not. Look, one of my mates sent me
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Speaker 9: that on the weekend. I didn't quite get it at first.
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Speaker 9: I was thinking, and I'm sure that you didn't turn
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Speaker 9: up to his business because AI is very good now
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Speaker 9: and that thing is everywhere and the government is being ridiculed.
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Speaker 9: One of the things that really hurts is when people
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Speaker 9: start laughing at you. So that's a really big deal
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Speaker 9: in and of itself. But the other thing is too
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Speaker 9: people I'm making and again I've had people ask me
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Speaker 9: about it only because I read the budget papers. They
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Speaker 9: want to know what this actually means. They're starting to
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Speaker 9: change their decisions. All those people have put so much
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Speaker 9: time and effort into building up small businesses are now
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Speaker 9: wondering about what happens when they start to dispose of them.
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Speaker 9: As you know, a lot of people in small business,
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Speaker 9: they don't take a whole lot of money out of
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Speaker 9: the business while they're working. They work night and day
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Speaker 9: to try and build up equity in that business, and
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Speaker 9: now what happens when they sell it, and so the
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Speaker 9: equity that they've built up, which they thought was their superannuation,
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Speaker 9: now they're going to have a whack of tax that
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Speaker 9: goes back to the government. So across a whole range
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Speaker 9: of fronts here, this is a disincentive to work, to
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Speaker 9: invest and to do something different.
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Speaker 3: Well also on property too.
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Speaker 2: I mean you've got the crashing out of all the
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Speaker 2: auction clearance rates in Melbourne and City they're down fifteen percent,
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Speaker 2: that's just in week one. We've got issues that most
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Speaker 2: of them are only getting a fifty percent clearance rate
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Speaker 2: and a lot of houses I've spoken to agents in
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Speaker 2: the last two days, certainly in Melbourne, homes are being
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Speaker 2: withdrawn from sale. People are worried they're not going to
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Speaker 2: even get anywhere near what they think the homes are worth.
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Speaker 2: And of course yes they're trying to target this is
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Speaker 2: making homes more affordable for young people. But for every buyer, Chris,
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Speaker 2: there's a seller. And so you know, most Australians, our
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Speaker 2: biggest asset is our home. And if what they've done
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Speaker 2: last Tuesday night is to value our biggest asset. There's
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Speaker 2: a lot of cranky Australians out there who are going
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Speaker 2: to be very angry that the government has basically blown
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Speaker 2: a hole and their financial viability.
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Speaker 9: And this is a first order effect. So what we're
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Speaker 9: seeing is the immediate reaction. Now we need to see
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Speaker 9: what the washout is in terms of what happens to
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Speaker 9: everything else, and that will include rents and who's most
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Speaker 9: likely to be in a rental market.
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Speaker 1: That will be young people.
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Speaker 9: So again, if they start to get the idea that
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Speaker 9: this change to government policy is actually hitting them in
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Speaker 9: the hip pocket, and if it does, it's going.
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Speaker 1: To be a whole lot more than the two dollars.
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Speaker 9: Now, don't forget the Directionally, the government knows that rents
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Speaker 9: will rise. Why because it's in the budget papers. How
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Speaker 9: much two dollars a week? Well we'll see because I
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Speaker 9: imagine it will be significantly more than two dollars a week,
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Speaker 9: and so the government itself has admitted that the price
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Speaker 9: will rise. Now the only thing we need to watch
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Speaker 9: is how high. So look, as you mentioned, there's an
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Speaker 9: enormous amount of opportunity for a coalition that's halfway decent
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Speaker 9: to make Hay with all of this and to give
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Speaker 9: a completely different messages to how it would run in Australia.
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Speaker 9: It may have presented Angus Taylor with a lifeline. What
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Speaker 9: matters is that he and his party grab it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, when I spoke to the agents to Chris, I
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Speaker 2: want to say before a lot of people that held
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Speaker 2: a rental property stock, this is the owners were holding
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Speaker 2: it hoping for capital growth over time, they'd sell it
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Speaker 2: and away they go. They'd invest in another property. But
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Speaker 2: now they're already bringing in to the real estate agents
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Speaker 2: saying when that rents up for review on what it increased,
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Speaker 2: they're our choosing yield. So an immediate rental income boost
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Speaker 2: as a way to recoup their costs, knowing that they're
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Speaker 2: not going to get what they thought they would get
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Speaker 2: over time in the property as it grows. Let's go
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Speaker 2: to foreign renewalble because this is a shocker for the government.
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Speaker 2: It's now been uncovered that foreign renewable energy investors.
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Speaker 3: They'll get a tax break.
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Speaker 2: It'll last a hell of oger than anybody else in
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Speaker 2: terms of CGT. It will stay in place a fifty
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Speaker 2: percent capital gains tax discount until twenty thirty.
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Speaker 9: And Peter, what have we been constantly told about wind
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Speaker 9: and solar? Wind and solar are the cheapest form of
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Speaker 9: generation when they generate, So therefore there is a natural
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Speaker 9: reason why you would buy that stuff, and everyone should
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Speaker 9: be tooling up and buying it. But yet time and
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Speaker 9: again we see government money, taxpayers money, your money shoveled
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Speaker 9: into these things.
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Speaker 1: And where does that money end up? Peter?
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Speaker 9: Where did all the money do you think that for
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Speaker 9: the tax breaks on e these go? Will it went
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Speaker 9: to China? Where did the money on batteries go? Will
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Speaker 9: it went to China? And where will the money on
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Speaker 9: this go? Will it will go to China? China's getting
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Speaker 9: a huge amount of Australian tax dollars out of all
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Speaker 9: this stuff.
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Speaker 1: What are we getting.
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Speaker 9: We're getting a ransid electrical system out of it, That's
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Speaker 9: what we're getting. So if this stuff can stand on
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Speaker 9: its own two feet, it should stand on its own
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Speaker 9: two feet. And if the government says, where's Angus going
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Speaker 9: to find all this money from when he indexes the thresholds,
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Speaker 9: I'd start with, I'm not going to spend eighteen billion
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Speaker 9: dollars or one penny more on any of these renewable
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Speaker 9: energy boondoggles, the lot come out and so that's a
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Speaker 9: good start. That's a healthy beginning to finding some money.
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Speaker 2: I tell you what I was up in which you
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Speaker 2: proof in the Malley area looking at renewables, mainly wind
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Speaker 2: farms up there. There was not one of the operators
20:32
Speaker 2: there were an Australian entity. They're all basically out of
20:35
Speaker 2: Europe and they were changing hands before the turbine had
20:38
Speaker 2: even come up. The company's had changed from one two
20:41
Speaker 2: dollar shelf company to another multiple times.
20:44
Speaker 3: You've been in Walker. What can you tell us this week?
20:48
Speaker 1: Well, I can tell you out there.
20:49
Speaker 9: The feeling in rural Australia, as you know, is white
20:52
Speaker 9: hot against the rollout of transmission lines and these renewable
20:56
Speaker 9: energy zones. There's one that's going in in New England.
21:00
Speaker 9: Been so emak to be there for a while. It's
21:02
Speaker 9: across the Great Dividing Range in natural heritage areas.
21:06
Speaker 1: Where there are koalas.
21:07
Speaker 9: But we're going to blow the tops off mountains to
21:09
Speaker 9: put up wind turbines there and put in two massive
21:13
Speaker 9: five hundred kV transmission lines to meet it. But you
21:16
Speaker 9: know what, but in fact that those transmission lines are
21:19
Speaker 9: going to be built, but there's nothing to connect them
21:21
Speaker 9: to because all of those projects are falling over, and
21:24
Speaker 9: yet the government's going to plow ahead. And if those
21:27
Speaker 9: lines are built, it doesn't connect to anything. You don't
21:29
Speaker 9: get any power out of that, but you do get
21:32
Speaker 9: the cost of the transmission lines written into your bills
21:35
Speaker 9: for the next twenty five years. This thing is an
21:38
Speaker 9: unmitigated disaster. The wheels are popping off absolutely everywhere.
21:44
Speaker 2: The same things happening in Victoria, Chris, with the V
21:46
Speaker 2: and I line down there. You know, it's hotly contested.
21:49
Speaker 2: People don't want it. It's decimating farms. There are now
21:52
Speaker 2: arrests and other things happening as farmers try and protect
21:56
Speaker 2: their own private land. But I will say that the
21:58
Speaker 2: Liberals have not got the right policy. They've only said
22:03
Speaker 2: so far as they're going to review the whole V
22:06
Speaker 2: and I transmission line. And everyone I speak to, and
22:09
Speaker 2: I've said this publicly to the Liberals, you must scrap
22:12
Speaker 2: this thing. You can't review it. You must scrap it.
22:15
Speaker 2: That's the only choice you've got.
22:19
Speaker 9: We're building a disastrous electricity system and we're spreading it
22:23
Speaker 9: to the four corners of the Earth.
22:24
Speaker 1: Because for the first time in human history.
22:26
Speaker 9: We're going from very understandable forms of energy which are
22:29
Speaker 9: very dense and controllable, to disperse forces of sources of
22:34
Speaker 9: energy which can't be controlled, which have to be strung
22:37
Speaker 9: together with an enormous amount of system infrastructure. And it's
22:39
Speaker 9: the infrastructure that we pay for.
22:41
Speaker 1: The idea that.
22:42
Speaker 9: Wind at solar is the cheapest form of energy only
22:45
Speaker 9: true in models, it's not true in systems.
22:48
Speaker 10: Now.
22:48
Speaker 1: We've seen that in Germany, where the Energy.
22:49
Speaker 9: Minister said there that, in fact, if you don't take
22:52
Speaker 9: into account the system's cost, this transition will kill the
22:54
Speaker 9: economy that it's trying to save.
22:58
Speaker 3: Got to leave it there. Thank you, Chris Drawing levels.
23:01
Speaker 3: You are in notice.
23:01
Speaker 2: I'm telling you yet again, scrap it, don't review it,
23:05
Speaker 2: scrap it. I Am not going to give up on this.
23:08
Speaker 2: I'll fight you all the way through to November for
23:11
Speaker 2: the farmers.
23:12
Speaker 3: Okay, let's cross the UK. Now.
23:14
Speaker 2: We spoke last night about the Unite the Kingdom protests
23:17
Speaker 2: that occurred in Britain on the weekend, but what we
23:20
Speaker 2: didn't touch was the remarkable stand from a former Australian
23:24
Speaker 2: TV star neighbors to Holly Valance. Here she was in
23:27
Speaker 2: the thick of it, and she had a very powerful
23:29
Speaker 2: message for all of us when she caught up with
23:31
Speaker 2: Sophie Ellsworth, have a listen, do you.
23:33
Speaker 11: Have any message for Australia given what is going on
23:36
Speaker 11: with Britain with this pushback against perhaps a left chat.
23:40
Speaker 2: I would say, don't be embarrassed and don't be too
23:43
Speaker 2: scared to stand up for your country.
23:44
Speaker 3: Place that you love has given you everything. It's given
23:47
Speaker 3: your freedom, it's given you the great life that you
23:49
Speaker 3: have respected.
23:51
Speaker 11: Respect the culture, respect the flag, don't be embarrassed to
23:54
Speaker 11: fly the flag, be patriotic, stand in that and don't
23:59
Speaker 11: let anybody tell you that you're a racist.
24:01
Speaker 2: Wandering So Jenny mean now Sky News contributor to News
24:04
Speaker 2: Corps European correspondent Sophie Ellsworth, so we know they're very
24:09
Speaker 2: o She was a big supporter of Nigel Farage before
24:14
Speaker 2: really anybody else. She copped a lot of flat from
24:17
Speaker 2: inner city London type. She's clearly back the right horse.
24:20
Speaker 2: But she's rightly telling us we need to get braver
24:23
Speaker 2: because as you know, and I know, every time I
24:25
Speaker 2: go to London, people in Britain say to me, you
24:29
Speaker 2: have got the chance Australia to avoid what's happened to us.
24:34
Speaker 2: But you don't have long and she's warning us again.
24:38
Speaker 11: She's indeed, Peter. Her messaging was very clear and it
24:42
Speaker 11: was very strong. Be proud of being Australian, Be proud
24:46
Speaker 11: of our country, don't be ashamed of it. Wave the flag.
24:50
Speaker 11: She was speaking a lot of common sense and the
24:52
Speaker 11: feedback from that story and interview with her has been remarkable.
24:57
Speaker 11: We know that Holy Balance in recent years has spoken
24:59
Speaker 11: about her political views. She admitted to me she's right wing.
25:03
Speaker 11: She said she's proud to be right wing, and she
25:06
Speaker 11: said if someone calls her far right, she couldn't care less.
25:10
Speaker 11: I mean, if more people could be brave like her
25:13
Speaker 11: and stick to their values and say what they believe respectfully,
25:17
Speaker 11: then I think we'd all be in a better place.
25:19
Speaker 11: But she spoke a lot of common sense that it
25:21
Speaker 11: seems a lot of Australians. Australians can resonate with Peter.
25:27
Speaker 2: We got criticism, of course, you'd expect that from the
25:29
Speaker 2: London massterd it can't. But what really surprised me was
25:33
Speaker 2: how hard Keir Starmer went against these flag waving Brits.
25:38
Speaker 2: He called them racist and extremists and other things, and
25:41
Speaker 2: yet he's barely had a word of criticism to the
25:46
Speaker 2: radical left that's protested almost weekly in London for the
25:49
Speaker 2: pro Palestinian types of Humus flag waving Brits. You were
25:54
Speaker 2: on the ground there, Sophie, what was your feeling overall
25:57
Speaker 2: about the crowd, Well.
26:01
Speaker 11: Peter, I'm meandered through the crowd and spoke to many
26:04
Speaker 11: punters there that had come into central London from all
26:08
Speaker 11: over the countryside to really just share their concerns with
26:12
Speaker 11: a common theme, and that to me was a legal
26:15
Speaker 11: migration that was front and center of the minds of
26:18
Speaker 11: many people there.
26:19
Speaker 1: Now, I spoke to a lot of people on.
26:21
Speaker 11: The ground, Peter, and they were ordinary mums and dads,
26:24
Speaker 11: ordinary people who were concerned about the state of Britain,
26:28
Speaker 11: and they get a lot of flak in the media
26:30
Speaker 11: has been these far right extremists. But the people I
26:33
Speaker 11: spoke to at that event, and I know there were
26:35
Speaker 11: some arrests, were very normal people with very normal views,
26:40
Speaker 11: which a lot of people are feeling here in Britain,
26:42
Speaker 11: and for Sakir Starmer to call them out as thugs
26:45
Speaker 11: and racests is really quite appalling and I think the
26:48
Speaker 11: polls for Sakir Starmer speak for themselves, Peter, because he
26:52
Speaker 11: hasn't got long to go. He's about to be tossed
26:54
Speaker 11: out of ten Downing Streets.
26:57
Speaker 2: All right, well let's go to that now because we're street.
27:00
Speaker 2: I noticed said vote for me and I'll drag Britain
27:04
Speaker 2: back into the EU. I don't think we've got a
27:07
Speaker 2: reverse for a Brexit yet, but that's what he's offering.
27:10
Speaker 3: How's that going to go down?
27:13
Speaker 11: We'll all focus now is on the Makeerfield by election,
27:17
Speaker 11: which we know Andy Burnham, the Greater Manchester Mayor, is
27:20
Speaker 11: hoping to run in that by election. A talk of
27:23
Speaker 11: Brexit is not going down well. People seem fatigued with
27:27
Speaker 11: it and the focus really they want to be on
27:31
Speaker 11: is back on these issues such as cost of living
27:34
Speaker 11: and the problems with illegal migration. So, Peter, we don't
27:37
Speaker 11: have an exact date set for this by election, but
27:39
Speaker 11: they are definitely paving the way for Andy Burnham, the
27:42
Speaker 11: Greater Manchester Mayor, who gave a speech in Leeds yesterday
27:45
Speaker 11: as if he was the Prime Minister, to make his
27:48
Speaker 11: way into den Downing Street. So really, Sekia Starmer is
27:51
Speaker 11: just sitting there in ten Downing Street, keeping the seat
27:54
Speaker 11: warm until he's tossed out by the Wes Streeting or
27:57
Speaker 11: Andy Burnham.
28:00
Speaker 2: We will leave it there, thank you, Sophie. Right after
28:02
Speaker 2: the break, the family of Victoria Cross hero Cameron Baird
28:06
Speaker 2: will speak to me about camera axing support for the
28:10
Speaker 2: work they do in keeping his legacy alive. You will
28:14
Speaker 2: not believe how they were told.
28:18
Speaker 3: That's next welcome back coming up.
28:23
Speaker 2: Australian scientists collaborating on research projects with the Chinese military.
28:28
Speaker 2: You heard that right, that's coming up. But now to
28:31
Speaker 2: a story that will leave you shaking your head. Actually,
28:33
Speaker 2: to be honest, it'll probably make you as angry as
28:36
Speaker 2: I am, because while the Albanizer government burns through billions
28:40
Speaker 2: of dollars on bureaucracy and overseas junkets, it's found savings
28:45
Speaker 2: in one of the most shameful places imaginable, and that's
28:49
Speaker 2: the family of a fallen Australian hero. Cameron Beaird was
28:53
Speaker 2: one of Australia's bravest soldiers, dispatched to Afghanistan as a
28:57
Speaker 2: member of our Elite Second Commander Reads Jim.
29:00
Speaker 3: He was posthumously awarded the Victoria Cross.
29:03
Speaker 2: The highest award in our honor system, as you know,
29:07
Speaker 2: after he was killed in action on his fifth deployment
29:10
Speaker 2: in twenty thirteen. In the years since his death, his parents,
29:14
Speaker 2: Doug and k Or, they've traveled the country sharing cameron
29:18
Speaker 2: Storage story of courage and sacrifice with school students, community
29:23
Speaker 2: groups and of course the RSL work that's been supported
29:26
Speaker 2: through a Commonwealth funding commitment originally made by the Avid
29:31
Speaker 2: government to all the families of VC recipients. Now I
29:37
Speaker 2: am sad to say that funding has been axed. And
29:39
Speaker 2: when I'm talking about funding, we are talking about no
29:43
Speaker 2: more than around five thousand dollars a year.
29:47
Speaker 3: That's it.
29:48
Speaker 2: It's a very very modest amount of money. Doug Baird
29:53
Speaker 2: joins me. Now, Doug, how were you told that you
29:58
Speaker 2: would be losing this funding?
30:02
Speaker 12: Good evening anyway better and to your viewers there, Look,
30:06
Speaker 12: it came from Alison Frame, who was the Secretary of DBA,
30:10
Speaker 12: in the form of an email, and in that email
30:15
Speaker 12: she outlined the fact that a few things that she
30:18
Speaker 12: we didn't have anything in place officially, that she was
30:23
Speaker 12: going to make the recommendation to the incoming minister, whether
30:26
Speaker 12: it was going to be Minister Ko was somebody else,
30:29
Speaker 12: and when Minister K came in, she made a recommendation
30:33
Speaker 12: that he sees the support for the Bear family through DBA,
30:38
Speaker 12: and so that's how we sort of like found out.
30:42
Speaker 2: Well, I'll make this point to my viewers at home.
30:45
Speaker 2: You and your family were made an exception because your
30:49
Speaker 2: son was killed in action and obviously posthumously awarded the
30:53
Speaker 2: VC for his extraordinary valor. Every other living VC recipient
30:59
Speaker 2: has a pot of money to do what you do,
31:02
Speaker 2: get around the RSLs and to honor the legacy of
31:04
Speaker 2: our veterans. Because you're such an unusual circumstance, Mister Abbott,
31:09
Speaker 2: as Prime Minister made that allocation. So the idea that
31:13
Speaker 2: this allocation now has been untethered from you, it's been
31:18
Speaker 2: taken away when it was made by a prime minister
31:22
Speaker 2: just staggers me. What's been your reaction and the reaction of.
31:26
Speaker 12: K when we first found out about this. I guess
31:34
Speaker 12: it was a little bit of shock because I wasn't
31:36
Speaker 12: expecting it. I thought, you know, there's probably got to
31:41
Speaker 12: be a little bit more to it than this. But
31:43
Speaker 12: both K and myself were extremely disappointed as we thought
31:46
Speaker 12: it through, and we remembered back to just what you've
31:49
Speaker 12: just touched on there. And we were told very early
31:53
Speaker 12: in the police by Alison Frain, who made the recommendation
31:57
Speaker 12: to finish it up, that call to the hands of
32:01
Speaker 12: the Minister Ko and he would have the right to
32:04
Speaker 12: to override her suggestion and go forward like three ministers
32:09
Speaker 12: having prior just flipped it over. He elected to accept
32:13
Speaker 12: their advice. And yeah, so we were very, very disappointed.
32:18
Speaker 2: What do you think when you read a story like
32:20
Speaker 2: we saw yesterday that the Defense Minister goes for one
32:23
Speaker 2: visit to New York and spends one hundred and ninety
32:28
Speaker 2: thousand dollars, and yet they're ripping this five thousand dollars
32:32
Speaker 2: that's the maximum payment from you and your wife, and
32:35
Speaker 2: you do it. You spend that money volunteering. It pays
32:39
Speaker 2: for your flights. I'm telling people at home to get
32:40
Speaker 2: around all these RSLs and to speak with community groups
32:44
Speaker 2: to talk about sacrifice. And I guess that the extraordinary
32:49
Speaker 2: bloke your son was. I remember when I met you
32:52
Speaker 2: in the Prime Minister's office before he received or you
32:55
Speaker 2: received the award on his behalf. I mean, he was
32:58
Speaker 2: an AFL footballer when he could have done anything with
33:01
Speaker 2: his life and he chose to protect us in our country.
33:05
Speaker 2: I mean, the idea that the way you and k
33:08
Speaker 2: were honoring him and have honored him has now been
33:12
Speaker 2: taken away. I just find that's extraordinary when you think
33:16
Speaker 2: of all the other money they could have saved from
33:18
Speaker 2: all the other areas of government waste.
33:22
Speaker 13: Yeah, we were completely staggered by the whole lot of it,
33:25
Speaker 13: because we were aware of how money had been spent
33:28
Speaker 13: by the government and in areas where it was staggering
33:33
Speaker 13: amount of money and money that was probably not returning
33:37
Speaker 13: anything back to our country.
33:40
Speaker 12: I remember a comment that the minister made to me
33:43
Speaker 12: that he had to be very careful of how we
33:45
Speaker 12: how we spent public money.
33:48
Speaker 8: And at that time there I thought, well that starts
33:50
Speaker 8: to resonate.
33:51
Speaker 12: Be he's to put a price on the loss of
33:54
Speaker 12: the soldier of his life or something like that. But
33:57
Speaker 12: the amount of money that has been spent in other areas,
34:00
Speaker 12: and for.
34:01
Speaker 8: What we get and then we don't actually receive cash
34:05
Speaker 8: in hand.
34:05
Speaker 12: That's money that's allocated and that's paid for when they
34:10
Speaker 12: book the flights or what do they approve for me
34:12
Speaker 12: sort of thing.
34:13
Speaker 8: So that's how it works.
34:14
Speaker 12: But you're completely staggered, and even today after now that
34:18
Speaker 12: we just don't understand it and we're extremely disappointed that,
34:23
Speaker 12: you know, a little bit of common sense didn't come
34:25
Speaker 12: to the play and we're able to have a face
34:27
Speaker 12: to face meeting with the minister, but that he didn't
34:29
Speaker 12: want that apparently and we didn't hasn't advanced any further.
34:36
Speaker 2: Well, mat Kere lives in wa and he's been that more.
34:39
Speaker 2: He's been more than five thousand dollars flying back to
34:42
Speaker 2: Parliament for a sitting week, and you have five thousand
34:45
Speaker 2: dollars for an entire year to honor your son's legacy.
34:50
Speaker 2: Just before we go, explain to people who perhaps haven't
34:54
Speaker 2: been around the RSL as you and I have the
34:59
Speaker 2: reaction you get when you meet with diggers, when you
35:02
Speaker 2: meet with veterans families, when you meet with school kids
35:05
Speaker 2: to talk about your son and the legacy of the military.
35:11
Speaker 8: Yeah.
35:11
Speaker 12: Look, it's an absolute honor and a privilege to be
35:13
Speaker 12: able to mix with these people. And some of the
35:17
Speaker 12: veterans are obviously Vietnam, there's much else lept out of
35:21
Speaker 12: World War Two, and there's a lot of contemporary diggers
35:27
Speaker 12: as well that we speak to, and it gives us
35:29
Speaker 12: great pride to speak to children. We pride ourselves on
35:33
Speaker 12: the fact that we go to places where people where
35:37
Speaker 12: others don't go or don't want to go to. An
35:40
Speaker 12: example is there that just only six months ago I
35:43
Speaker 12: did two private schools in Brisbane. One of them we
35:48
Speaker 12: had fifteen hundred in the auditorium plus their parents. The
35:52
Speaker 12: other one we had seventeen hundred plus the parents. And
35:55
Speaker 12: yet I've been down to a school in Texas which
35:57
Speaker 12: is on the border between Queensland and New South Wales,
36:01
Speaker 12: and there's only seven or eight.
36:02
Speaker 8: Students in the school.
36:04
Speaker 12: But you know, I will make that effort to drive
36:06
Speaker 12: down there five hours, pay for the petrol myself, to
36:09
Speaker 12: be able to tell the story to so they understand
36:13
Speaker 12: why they go. When the bell rings, they go out
36:15
Speaker 12: to play. They can play in complete safety. And the
36:18
Speaker 12: reason why they can do that is because of the
36:21
Speaker 12: commitment that our males and females in Army maybe and
36:25
Speaker 12: the Air Force have money to allow us to be
36:28
Speaker 12: able to do that, to keep our country the way
36:30
Speaker 12: this at the moment.
36:31
Speaker 8: So that's part of the story and it just goes
36:33
Speaker 8: on from there.
36:36
Speaker 2: You are brilliant here to my eye, Doug, because you
36:39
Speaker 2: are a beautiful dad and you are honoring your son
36:43
Speaker 2: every single time you're out amongst kids like this.
36:46
Speaker 3: We're going to fight this.
36:47
Speaker 2: I guarantee you my audience, and I know that former
36:50
Speaker 2: Prime minister who made that allocation at the time you
36:54
Speaker 2: leave this with me, we are going to fight this
36:56
Speaker 2: and get it overturned. Doug Bed All the best decays
36:59
Speaker 2: were oh, thank you for joining me. I might add
37:03
Speaker 2: Cameron Bed was thanks, Doug. Cameron Bed was one of
37:07
Speaker 2: forty one Australians killed in action in Afghanistan. If he
37:10
Speaker 2: had lived, he would have this entitlement that government could
37:14
Speaker 2: not take away to be there with school kids and
37:18
Speaker 2: the RSL. Because he did not survive, and that allocation
37:22
Speaker 2: was passed to his family, Labor have ripped it away
37:26
Speaker 2: five thousand dollars.
37:29
Speaker 3: This is not the end of this one. Let me
37:30
Speaker 3: tell you all right, quick break.
37:31
Speaker 2: After the break, we're going to get into the Australian
37:33
Speaker 2: scientists collaborating we're told with the Chinese military not good
37:37
Speaker 2: for national security, and those ISIS women on their way back.
37:47
Speaker 3: Welcome back.
37:47
Speaker 2: I was reminded in the break by a friend who
37:50
Speaker 2: found that seventeen hundred dollars chair for the Public Servants
37:55
Speaker 2: Office in Canberra. The other day she said just a
37:58
Speaker 2: couple of those chairs would pay for Doug Beard to
38:02
Speaker 2: honor his son. But in really, really good news, can
38:05
Speaker 2: I just tell my audience, my viewers, you are amazing.
38:08
Speaker 2: Someone I know who has been lucky in life, he's
38:12
Speaker 2: made his own luck, has contacted me and says I
38:16
Speaker 2: will fund indefinitely for as long as is required the
38:20
Speaker 2: five thousand dollars for the beads to travel around Australia
38:23
Speaker 2: to speak to RSL clubs. And in fact he says, no,
38:25
Speaker 2: let's make it ten so Doug and k can travel
38:29
Speaker 2: in comfort.
38:30
Speaker 3: Thank you. We'll take you up on that offer.
38:32
Speaker 2: But let me tell you, the government are going to
38:35
Speaker 2: have to step up and reverse this decision.
38:38
Speaker 3: So I'll take your money. Thank you, my dear friend.
38:41
Speaker 2: I'll take your money and sort this problem out for
38:43
Speaker 2: the short term.
38:45
Speaker 3: But by God, Labor, you are not getting away with this.
38:49
Speaker 2: Let's go now to that concerning report that's revealed thousands
38:53
Speaker 2: of Australian scientists have been collaborating on research projects with
38:56
Speaker 2: institutions linked to the Chinese military. This report by AI
39:02
Speaker 2: lad intelligence company Strida technologies, founder strained researchers had co
39:07
Speaker 2: authored papers on technology which could potentially be weaponized. Joining
39:12
Speaker 2: me now senior fellow at the Hudson Institute, John Lee. Well, John,
39:17
Speaker 2: We're not talking about a couple of rogue scientists here.
39:19
Speaker 2: We're talking about six thousand joint research projects with military
39:24
Speaker 2: linked institutions in just the last six years.
39:28
Speaker 3: Now, I thought this was all stamped out.
39:32
Speaker 14: What's going on, well, Peter, When I was in government
39:35
Speaker 14: eight years ago, one of the things I had to
39:37
Speaker 14: do was go around talking to researchers and academics and
39:40
Speaker 14: university leaders about getting some distance with Chinese PLA linked organizations.
39:47
Speaker 14: I can tell you that many of them simply didn't care.
39:49
Speaker 14: They were more interested in pursuing their narrow institutional or
39:54
Speaker 14: personal career interests. And so this is where we are now. Now,
39:59
Speaker 14: we have had some legislation passed since twenty eighteen. We've
40:03
Speaker 14: got a Foreign Relations Act we're just passing twenty twenty,
40:07
Speaker 14: but that only covers broad agreements between universities and institutions
40:12
Speaker 14: in China, not individual decisions. We've got some legislation that
40:16
Speaker 14: bans collaboration with black listed entities and individuals in China.
40:22
Speaker 14: But in China, as we know, any company, any individual
40:26
Speaker 14: can be compelled by the state, by the PLA to
40:29
Speaker 14: handy research over So just focusing on blacklisted entities doesn't
40:33
Speaker 14: really do the trick. And of course universities are obliged
40:36
Speaker 14: to regulate and oversee their academics and researchers, but as
40:41
Speaker 14: I said at the beginning, a lot of university leaders
40:44
Speaker 14: don't care. So this is really where we're at now,
40:47
Speaker 14: just just the final thing in terms of the solution
40:50
Speaker 14: that's really not that hard. China tells us what they're
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Speaker 14: interested in, what has security implications. So for example, ten
40:57
Speaker 14: years ago they had something called a Made in China
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Speaker 14: twenty twenty five which looked at sectors which cover almost
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Speaker 14: all of these research collaborations in the Strata report. Now,
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Speaker 14: if we had banned collaborations in these sectors, this problem
41:12
Speaker 14: would go away. So we've got to close those loopholes
41:15
Speaker 14: and not leave it up to universities and institutes to
41:19
Speaker 14: do that work for us.
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Speaker 2: The government's talking big about online security, online terrorism, and
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Speaker 2: you know, all the other sort of apparatus of defense
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Speaker 2: in dealing with these things. But clearly John, they've dropped
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Speaker 2: the ball.
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Speaker 14: Well, you can have all of the best regulations or
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Speaker 14: even policies that you want, but if you're not prepared
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Speaker 14: two things, One to actually put pressure, real pressure, coercive
41:45
Speaker 14: punitive pressure on Australians to do the right thing. You
41:48
Speaker 14: need to do that. The second thing is if you're
41:51
Speaker 14: not prepared to displease China as a government, and banning
41:56
Speaker 14: a lot of these collaborations would certainly displease China. To
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Speaker 14: do that, then you can have all of the policies
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Speaker 14: that you want, but this will continue to happen. And
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Speaker 14: as we have seen, this research report covers research from
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Speaker 14: the last six years, so it's not just the one off.
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Speaker 14: This is for the last six years, over thousands of collaborations.
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Speaker 2: Just before we go, can I just get your take
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Speaker 2: on that visit last week Donald Trump to Beijing. A
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Speaker 2: lot of theater What actually came out of the visit.
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Speaker 14: Well, both Donald Trump and both Shishin Ping would not
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Speaker 14: be completely satisfied with the visit. Trump wanted a big
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Speaker 14: trade deal, he didn't really get that. Jishinping wanted Trump
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Speaker 14: to make some concessions on Taiwan that wasn't really forthcoming.
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Speaker 14: But this is really just the first round and just
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Speaker 14: to frame you know what's going to happen in the
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Speaker 14: months and the years ahead. That Donald Trump approach to
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Speaker 14: China largely is one of managed competition. Now, I know
42:54
Speaker 14: that sounds a little bit cliche, but what it really means,
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Speaker 14: in simplistic terms is we're not the coupling from China.
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Speaker 14: We're engaging with China, but we're going to get more
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Speaker 14: from China than they get from us. So that's basically
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Speaker 14: a Trump approach. This is really just the first round,
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Speaker 14: so not too much has changed since then, but it's
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Speaker 14: just the first rounds.
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Speaker 2: I said, all right, well over there, thanks John, John
43:16
Speaker 2: lay there expert on China and many other things. After
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Speaker 2: the break. More isis women on their way back to Australia.
43:23
Speaker 2: They could be here as early as next week. And
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Speaker 2: the billionaires he'll get this so called working Australians tax
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Speaker 2: off set. They're cranky, they say it's a waste of money.
43:40
Speaker 3: Welcome back.
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Speaker 2: I'm still overwhelmed. Thank you to my very generous doughnut Air.
43:44
Speaker 2: The viewer who watched that story about Cameron Baird's parents
43:48
Speaker 2: having their money.
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Speaker 3: They're five thousand dollars cut. That will stop them.
43:52
Speaker 2: Traveling to RSLs around the country that has now been repaired.
43:56
Speaker 2: It's now ten k from his pocket because he believes
44:00
Speaker 2: says in this country and our veterans, you are a
44:03
Speaker 2: good audience, my Kredlin crowd. All right, let's jump into
44:07
Speaker 2: some other things with my panel. Former Liberal MP Nicole
44:09
Speaker 2: Flint and One Nation set it up in New South
44:12
Speaker 2: Wales Sean Bell, I've got to start with the ISIS
44:15
Speaker 2: women reports. This afternoon we're talking. I think there's about
44:18
Speaker 2: eighteen in the remaining cohort, Nicole. They've all got passports.
44:22
Speaker 2: They've had passports since January. The Syrian government apparently is
44:27
Speaker 2: providing the money to put them on the plane. Give
44:31
Speaker 2: me your thoughts about this, Well, what.
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Speaker 15: Role has labor played in this, Peter? I think that's
44:38
Speaker 15: the question all Australians are asking. Labor have attempted to
44:43
Speaker 15: pretend that they've had nothing to do with any of this.
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Speaker 8: But obviously they have.
44:47
Speaker 15: Because we can't let these women back into the country
44:49
Speaker 15: without permission from bureaucrats and border control. Will Australians be
44:58
Speaker 15: safe when they come back? We'll kids be safe who
45:01
Speaker 15: have to go to school with these kids who have
45:02
Speaker 15: been in terrorist controlled areas, their entire for some of them,
45:07
Speaker 15: their entire lives. It's just it beggars belief. And at
45:12
Speaker 15: the same time, you know, in recent weeks we've seen
45:15
Speaker 15: the murder of a beautiful little Aboriginal girl, alleged murder
45:18
Speaker 15: of a beautiful little Aboriginal girl.
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Speaker 8: We have Aboriginal.
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Speaker 15: Women, women missing, murdered. Why is the focus on these
45:27
Speaker 15: women who chose to leave Australia. Why is the support
45:31
Speaker 15: there for them when we can't even look after our
45:34
Speaker 15: own people on our own soil.
45:38
Speaker 2: Sean, I've got to switch gear and ask you something
45:40
Speaker 2: about the budget, because every Australian is going to get
45:43
Speaker 2: this two hundred and fifty dollars a year sixty eight
45:47
Speaker 2: cents a day working Australians tax offset from the government.
45:52
Speaker 2: But we find out today that billionaires will get it
45:54
Speaker 2: and they're saying this is a waste of money, we
45:57
Speaker 2: should not have it. So clearly none of this is
46:00
Speaker 2: properly targeted.
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Speaker 10: What actually concerns me about this is the more we
46:06
Speaker 10: hear and listen to the Prime Minister and Jim Chalmers
46:09
Speaker 10: attempt to explain this budget, the more terrifying it gets,
46:13
Speaker 10: because it seems like they have no idea what they've done.
46:16
Speaker 10: When they start to explain how this whattto, which is
46:20
Speaker 10: what a joke, is somehow supposed to address generational inequality,
46:26
Speaker 10: it doesn't. And when you start trying to hear them justify, well,
46:29
Speaker 10: why have we increased tax on shares for young people?
46:32
Speaker 10: They can't explain that either. All we get is the
46:36
Speaker 10: sense that this is an attempt to build a war
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Speaker 10: chest for the next federal election. And what they've done
46:42
Speaker 10: is they'll throw out something like this because they know
46:45
Speaker 10: that in a very short time it'll be chewed up
46:47
Speaker 10: by inflation. So unless they were to do something like
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Speaker 10: what my nation has proposed and address bracket creep, then
46:54
Speaker 10: that money that they're handing out will be straight back
46:56
Speaker 10: into their pockets.
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Speaker 1: Just give it time, because listen to.
47:01
Speaker 2: This from Kelly J. Keen about giggle and tickle her Listen,
47:06
Speaker 2: something's going wrong in Australia, Like it doesn't make any sense.
47:10
Speaker 8: So your culture is pretending that they think roxy tickle belongs.
47:15
Speaker 3: In women's spaces. That's insane.
47:19
Speaker 4: So I think it's now I'm going to have to
47:22
Speaker 4: take a lot of very determined women to build a
47:25
Speaker 4: very big campaign to overturn this.
47:28
Speaker 11: Do you think Australia's gone bonkers.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do.
47:33
Speaker 8: Well.
47:33
Speaker 2: I think they've gone bonkers to Cole I mean, and
47:35
Speaker 2: I also don't think we wait until the election to
47:38
Speaker 2: sort this out. I think the Parliament has to deal
47:40
Speaker 2: with it. You have to force Labour's hand, if nothing else,
47:44
Speaker 2: forced the Prime Minister to justify backing in this crazy
47:49
Speaker 2: decision from the courts.
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Speaker 15: Precisely, and I had a column in the Daily Telegraph
47:54
Speaker 15: today saying exactly that, Peter, this is on Labor. Julia Gillard,
47:59
Speaker 15: the alleged ambient of women's rights, was the Prime Minister
48:03
Speaker 15: who oversaw the changes to the Sex Discrimination Act which
48:07
Speaker 15: erased the meaning of women. And this is how this
48:11
Speaker 15: entire madness is unfolded. What we need to see is Taylor,
48:16
Speaker 15: Matt Canavan, Pauline Hansen and every single Liberal National and
48:23
Speaker 15: One Nation MP and senator legislation before the Parliament each
48:28
Speaker 15: and every week to force and embarrass Labor and the
48:31
Speaker 15: Greens into actually changing this legislation for the safety of
48:36
Speaker 15: every single woman and girl in Australia. But that's the
48:40
Speaker 15: kind of pressure that we need to see. We haven't
48:42
Speaker 15: seen it before. Now I've been very encouraged by the
48:46
Speaker 15: comments that we've seen from the leader of the Opposition,
48:49
Speaker 15: from Matt Canavan, from Pauline Hansen.
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Speaker 8: Let's all do this together.
48:53
Speaker 15: It's for the good of the nation, it's for the
48:55
Speaker 15: good of women.
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Speaker 2: Keep out the fight, and Carl, I know your boss
48:59
Speaker 2: Sean Bell is absolutely on the right page on this
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Speaker 2: one as well. Thank you to you both.
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Speaker 3: That's it for me. You've been a.
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Speaker 2: Busy show tonight. I'll be busy tomorrow, I'm sure.
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Speaker 3: Here's Andrew