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20190430-DriveTimeAUDIO.mp3 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Jaguars, did you Jack Jack Warris Digital Jaguars drive Time,
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Speaker 1: Ryan Sex steps that John O's agent. Actually, Jaguarris drive
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Speaker 1: Time starts right now. We're the seventh pick in the
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Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen NFL Draft. The Jacksonville Jaguars selected Josh
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Speaker 1: Allen defensim Kentucky. So last Thursday night Nashville, I'm sitting
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Speaker 1: in the media center right next to a group of
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Speaker 1: New York media and when the Jaguars selected Josh Allen,
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Speaker 1: they just shook their heads. They had it in their
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Speaker 1: minds that that was the guy for the Giants who
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Speaker 1: don't have that pass rushing threat, and that Daniel Jones
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Speaker 1: would be the quarterback at seventeen, And just sitting there
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Speaker 1: and reading through it this week, it's uh, it really
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Speaker 1: it fell their way to get one of the best
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Speaker 1: three or four players in the draft aft at number seven.
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Speaker 1: Everybody welcome the Jags drive Time Brian Sexton along with
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Speaker 1: John Osier and Ashlyn Sullivan and the Jaguars. At least
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Speaker 1: from my perspective, it's an a draft because Josh Allen
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Speaker 1: was there and Juwan Taylor was there in the second round. Um,
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Speaker 1: I don't know how you guys feel about it, but
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Speaker 1: it feels like a tremendous success both first round talents
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Speaker 1: that they got on this team. Everyone has talked about,
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Speaker 1: you know, them getting Jowan Taylor at the beginning of
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Speaker 1: the second round, and they had him mocked in the
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Speaker 1: first round. To get both of those guys on the roster,
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Speaker 1: that's the one in itself. But it's interesting. Tom Coughlin
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Speaker 1: doesn't talk to the local media a lot. He talks
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Speaker 1: a few times a year, which is what he does.
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Speaker 1: But when he does every once in a while to
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Speaker 1: press conference, he'll give incredible insight. And I was struck
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Speaker 1: by how kind of passions the right word, but how
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Speaker 1: much time talked about getting Jowan Taylor made this draft. Uh,
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Speaker 1: it was clear that I took that to mean that
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Speaker 1: they had him ranked ten to fifteen somewhere. They considered
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Speaker 1: him in the top seven, and I think right tackle
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Speaker 1: just was I don't think they were going to take
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Speaker 1: him there. Uh, if they could have traded back, but
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Speaker 1: I think the trade back sort of fizzled. There wasn't
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Speaker 1: much of a of a shot at that. But I
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Speaker 1: was struck by how much he said this made our
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Speaker 1: draft to me, and he thought that there was any
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Speaker 1: real competition at right tackle kind of went out of
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Speaker 1: the window at that point. If he liked him that much,
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Speaker 1: he's going to start at right tackle and they feel
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Speaker 1: like he is a they feel like he's he's a
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Speaker 1: solution to a problem. If if they're talking about him
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Speaker 1: that high and they feel like he's gonna be really
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Speaker 1: really good for a long time. So I thought that
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Speaker 1: was my big takeaway out of saturdaynight when they were
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Speaker 1: talking about it. Obviously, Josh Allen's a huge key getting
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Speaker 1: John Taylor. I think, as you wrote this week, Brian
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Speaker 1: uh makes it feel like a Tony Brackens, Aaron Beasley,
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Speaker 1: Miles Jack Jalen Ramsey type draft. Absolutely, well, there you
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Speaker 1: see the draft choices, and now it's rolled right into
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Speaker 1: a big thing, young lady, all right, big thing one
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Speaker 1: is Day one. We call this the Lucky Day. Not
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Speaker 1: many people, especially in this building, thought Josh Allen would
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Speaker 1: be sitting there at number seven. Many thought you go three, four,
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Speaker 1: maybe even six. The Giants, Dave Cobble said, the reason
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Speaker 1: why they didn't take t. J. Hawkins in the tight
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Speaker 1: end out of Iowa because you can never have enough
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Speaker 1: pass rushers in the A F c South and I
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Speaker 1: think it bears out. But in our division, when you
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Speaker 1: play Andrew Luck and you play Deshaun Watson and Marcus Mariotta,
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Speaker 1: and then in the conference where you got some you know,
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Speaker 1: great quarterbacks, you have to be able to get after him.
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Speaker 1: And they'll they'll between Yannick and him and Calais and
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Speaker 1: Marcel and Um. You know it's gonna be It's gonna
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Speaker 1: be a fun season. You obviously something to say, Ryan,
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Speaker 1: go ahead, I should look and read read the run
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Speaker 1: down thoughts that actually works you hard on Um. The
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Speaker 1: pass rush fell off last year. They went from fifty
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Speaker 1: five at the top of the NFL what was a
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Speaker 1: second to Pittsburgh in seventeen to thirty seven last year,
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Speaker 1: middle of the pack. And and it's gonna change. There's
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Speaker 1: no Dante follower. Obviously, Malie Jackson is going they have
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Speaker 1: to retool this. And and Alan Is and you guys
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Speaker 1: have seen him now. He's six five, he's two hundred
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Speaker 1: and sixty five pounds. He's the prototypical edge rusher. He
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Speaker 1: looked to me a lot like Tony Bracken's physically. That's
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Speaker 1: not a past rusher they've had around here. Unique and
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Speaker 1: gock Way, for all of his success, is a two
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Speaker 1: hundred and thirty five pound Vic Beasley kind of guy.
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Speaker 1: This is different. Uh it strikes you that. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I love Unique, everybody loves Unique's abilities to go. He
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Speaker 1: has to work for everything he gets and has to
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Speaker 1: be going hunter miles an hour. And I'll say that
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Speaker 1: as a not because he's willing to do it. He's
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Speaker 1: gonna sign a big contract. He's gonna be a good player.
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Speaker 1: He's made a great player for a long time. This
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Speaker 1: lea Alan because of the size. Can get the easy
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Speaker 1: stuff that Unique can't. He can get some power stuff
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Speaker 1: that you need, can't. Um. I was asking the ozone.
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Speaker 1: I think Saturday, can you can Allen be as good
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Speaker 1: as Unique Way better be? And he's supposed to be
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Speaker 1: supposed to be there. I think you'd be better than
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Speaker 1: Dante Fowler too. He's bigger Fowler and Follower didn't pan out.
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Speaker 1: I get it followed was six three to fifty. I
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Speaker 1: don't think you. Fowler wasn't a pure edge rusher coming out.
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Speaker 1: He had done a lot of different things. This kid's
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Speaker 1: he has done a lot of different things, but he's
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Speaker 1: first and foremost a go get the quarterback guy, and
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Speaker 1: when you watch it on tape and he can't quantify
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Speaker 1: it with with the time or a number of reps
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Speaker 1: or you know, the with the hand. He has that
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Speaker 1: instinct and when you watch him rush the pastor you
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Speaker 1: can see when he ducks his shoulder, when he works
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Speaker 1: the moves, he feels what's going on in the backfield
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Speaker 1: and is able to instinctually have an impact of the game.
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Speaker 1: This was I'm sorry, Aston, this was a rare was that? Okay? Well,
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Speaker 1: I didn't interrupt him exact Um. You often here in
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Speaker 1: the draft UH of teams taking best player Bailblet's it's
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Speaker 1: always the old debate. This truly was a case where
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Speaker 1: they were ready to take t. J. Hawkcause that's how
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Speaker 1: I believe they were ready to take Um. And we
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Speaker 1: would have been fine with it, would have filled what
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Speaker 1: many perceived to be a more glaring immediate need. But
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, there's this guy sitting there that
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Speaker 1: is a franchise defining, UH franchise sustaining type player and
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Speaker 1: you just couldn't pass on him. It was a gift
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Speaker 1: from above. And that leads us to what Tom Coughlin
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Speaker 1: had to say when Josh Allen was sitting there on
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Speaker 1: the board. There really wasn't much hesitation in the draft room. Well,
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Speaker 1: there wasn't any doubt when we um when it came
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Speaker 1: to the Giants and what the Giants were going to
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Speaker 1: go through. They were either pass rusher or quarterback, and
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Speaker 1: uh we talked about both sides of that. Who would
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Speaker 1: we take if they took Allen and so on and
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Speaker 1: so forth. But the idea of having him sit there
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Speaker 1: and know that the possible it exists. We all knew
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Speaker 1: that based on our board and the way we had
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Speaker 1: put it all together. He was the highest rated player
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Speaker 1: on the on the board. When I shook his hand,
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Speaker 1: when I talked to him and his wife about seven
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Speaker 1: eight minutes after the pick um, it was clear he
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Speaker 1: was a Tom Coughlin guy. I mean he held his
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Speaker 1: son and by the way, did anybody else recognize that
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Speaker 1: him carrying his son onto the stage? And I can't
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Speaker 1: remember a first round pick doing that to meet the
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Speaker 1: commissioner um, which was completely unplanned. He just walked up
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Speaker 1: with him on the night that the Tyreek Hill thing broke.
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Speaker 1: I mean, talk about saving grace there for the league.
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Speaker 1: But this is a strong character guy to see he
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Speaker 1: didn't put his son down the whole weekend. Uh, good kid,
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Speaker 1: good guy. There's one other side to this story, and
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Speaker 1: it bears out at this point and people will discount this,
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Speaker 1: but he gives a salary cap ish flexibility next year
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Speaker 1: because you're gonna pay Jalen Ramsey at some point in
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Speaker 1: the future. Unique Gotqui is going to want to be
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Speaker 1: paid at the height of the market. You see what
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Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence got uh and someone else just got paid
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Speaker 1: was a DeFord massive contract um. You can't pay everybody
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Speaker 1: who's massive hundred million dollar contracts. And this guy allows
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Speaker 1: you to play the compensatory game if you choose to
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Speaker 1: and let Unique and Gaguay walk after a big season.
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's what they're gonna do, but it's
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Speaker 1: certainly an option. And when you look at the way
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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick has let guys walk and picked up third
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Speaker 1: round picks and use them effectively. If you don't have
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Speaker 1: a young pass rusher like this, next year, Unique gets
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Speaker 1: anything he wants because you can't let a talent like
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Speaker 1: that go. If this kid comes in and is what
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Speaker 1: he is, then it was a great choice from a
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Speaker 1: flexibility standpoint as you work to rebuild the roster. I
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Speaker 1: don't think they let Unique go. That's a little scary
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Speaker 1: when you think they're probably you would think either dire
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Speaker 1: said Campbell, are going to go to I totally get it,
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Speaker 1: but you but you understand what I'm saying, I better
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Speaker 1: be good. Well, no doubt it was a smart pick,
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Speaker 1: not just because of the pass rush, because when it
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Speaker 1: comes time to to next year, look at your roster
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Speaker 1: and your salary cap. No, hey, look the sort of
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Speaker 1: damocles is hanging over your head where it comes to Unique.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry to Jalen Ramsey. He's going to be the
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Speaker 1: highest paid corner in the league. That makes it difficult
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Speaker 1: when you're gonna have a guy that's gonna be the
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Speaker 1: highest paid pass rusher in the league. This gives you
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Speaker 1: flexibility sort of what da mclice look at up him
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Speaker 1: and his big words throwing things all right, go to
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Speaker 1: the next one store and grow big thing too? Is
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Speaker 1: day two? Would you Wan Taylor, Josh Oliver and Quincy Williams.
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Speaker 1: Tom Coughlin said that the Jaguars one Day two because
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Speaker 1: of this guy Jiwan Taylor, to be able to have
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Speaker 1: Juwan Taylor at the top of the second round for us.
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Speaker 1: You talk about something that really legitimately made the draft
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Speaker 1: and put us in a position where, um, you know,
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Speaker 1: we would have two first rounders for our first two picks.
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Speaker 1: And I don't think anyone would would would argue with that.
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Speaker 1: There is no argument that they had both of them
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Speaker 1: in the first round locked and they now are both
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Speaker 1: on a Jaguar's roster. Yeah, and it. Uh. There was
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Speaker 1: some talk when Taylor fell. There was a lot of
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Speaker 1: talk about the knee, talked about issues of why he felt.
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Speaker 1: My understanding, Brian is they have zero concerns about the need.
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Speaker 1: He didn't run because of the hamstring problem. Uh. That
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Speaker 1: scares teams sometimes because when you're when you're in the
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Speaker 1: first round, you want to make sure of everything. So
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Speaker 1: the not running thing did scare some teams. My understanding
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Speaker 1: was that was completely hamstring, completely non uh, and he's
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Speaker 1: sort of threatening. They feel fine with him physically. So
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Speaker 1: and you and I were texting before the draft. I
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Speaker 1: had heard in Nashville that the fact that he was
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Speaker 1: a right tackle was going to prevent him from going
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Speaker 1: in the top ten. The teams weren't going to do that. Now,
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Speaker 1: who knows, I like you believe the Jaguars and heard
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars were heavy in on Hawkinson if Alan is
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Speaker 1: taken before them, so you saw what happened. There were
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Speaker 1: no right tackles taken. In fact, they were reaching the
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Speaker 1: If you want to really point at it, the Texans
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Speaker 1: probably should have taken Jiwan Taylor. They need help all
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Speaker 1: over their line, But after Dillard went to Philadelphia, they
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Speaker 1: weren't going to take a right tackle there either, so
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Speaker 1: they took Titus Howard from Alabama State. I think everybody
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Speaker 1: knew that the right tackles were going to go with
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Speaker 1: the very front of the second round, which again is
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Speaker 1: is why Dave was willing to spend the picks and
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Speaker 1: get up to get him. Credited the Jaguars for understanding
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Speaker 1: where it fit um first round talent, absolutely, but the
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Speaker 1: right tackle thing is what shoved him down the board.
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Speaker 1: You're right, it's not the injury situation. And it's impressive
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Speaker 1: that Dave knew that run on tackles was gonna happen,
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Speaker 1: especially when it did, to trade up and know that
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Speaker 1: was gonna happen because it was a multitude of offensive
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Speaker 1: tackles went right after Jaman Taylor from to predict that
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Speaker 1: and know that. Yeah, Greg Little went to Carolina and
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Speaker 1: shortly after that, Cody Ford went to Buffalo, and they
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Speaker 1: made clear they didn't want email as well. They could
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Speaker 1: have stayed and not giving up to pick and gotten
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Speaker 1: the right tackle, but they wanted this right tackle, so
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Speaker 1: they target did this guy saying they knew with Miles
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Speaker 1: Jack they didn't want to stay at that spot. They
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Speaker 1: wanted to go get their guy. Well, as much as
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Speaker 1: we talked about Tom Coughlin being a needs based rafter,
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Speaker 1: because that was what he was when when the Jaguars
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Speaker 1: were first getting off the ground twenty five years ago,
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Speaker 1: that was a value thing right there. They knew the
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Speaker 1: value of a right tackle even though they needed one desperately,
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Speaker 1: and they were willing to be patient. They went with
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Speaker 1: I mean the needs thing, now, what teams doing? What
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Speaker 1: team and what this team did? They targeted four or
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Speaker 1: five positions that they needed and went after them. They
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Speaker 1: knew that somewhere in the first four or five rounds
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Speaker 1: they were going to get those four or five positions.
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Speaker 1: That's the way teams do need now. They don't look
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Speaker 1: in the first round, say we have to have this
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Speaker 1: position here, it's more of a it's more of a cloud.
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Speaker 1: I few else. I'm I'm up with the times. Look
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Speaker 1: at you go. I'm either a poet or a I
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Speaker 1: T guy something else or about something else, entirely different. Right,
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Speaker 1: all right, let's talk about the tight end. Josh Oliver
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Speaker 1: with a lot of adversity at San Jose State one
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Speaker 1: in ten season play with three different quarterbacks in his
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Speaker 1: collegiate career. We caught up with offensive coordinator John de
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Speaker 1: Filippo on the connection he has at the new tight end.
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Speaker 1: You know, Josh is a great athlete, is a big
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Speaker 1: guy and go up and make plays. You can make
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Speaker 1: play on the football. He's lined up in a bunch
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Speaker 1: of different spots. And you know, I know his college
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Speaker 1: coach very well, coach with him of San Jose State,
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Speaker 1: and they love him. They're and they're very happy he's
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Speaker 1: a Jaguar. So moments after the pick, he was on
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Speaker 1: the phone with the San Jose State head coach and
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Speaker 1: talking about this pick and said that he absolutely loves
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Speaker 1: the pick, loves that he's a Jaguar and really was
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Speaker 1: pulling for this guy, big athletic kid. I mean, we
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Speaker 1: talked about this to John, I didn't watch Mountain West football,
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Speaker 1: so I didn't don't think many of us did. But
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Speaker 1: there are not a lot of those tight ends that
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Speaker 1: were draft able guys, I mean, outside of the elite,
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Speaker 1: and this was a rare year for them where you
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Speaker 1: have a guy who's a fifty five sixty catch tight
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Speaker 1: end in college, seven touchdowns, and most defenses from what
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Speaker 1: I've learned, tilted toward him. I mean, he was the
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Speaker 1: threat at San Jose's date, and he was very productive.
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Speaker 1: You can see just watching and run how long his
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Speaker 1: arms are. I mean, he's a guy in the middle
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Speaker 1: of the field that should be able to reach and
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Speaker 1: snatch the ball and make some plays. And they need
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Speaker 1: that athletic presence in the middle of the field. This
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Speaker 1: team has not had it since it was eight since
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Speaker 1: they had a young Marcedes Lewis, and they hoped that
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Speaker 1: they would have gotten it a couple of years ago,
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Speaker 1: and you know, he didn't didn't pan out in the
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Speaker 1: free agent market. He might wind up being the key
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Speaker 1: of the draft. I mean, I don't think anybody thinks
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Speaker 1: that Alan and Taylor won't be good. And when I
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Speaker 1: say this, obviously there's no guarantee on any draft pick.
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Speaker 1: But the odds are pretty much with Taylor and Alan
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Speaker 1: being good. He's as important a pig as the other
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Speaker 1: two in the sense that they need him to be
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Speaker 1: protected right now. It's gonna you know, it's not gonna
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Speaker 1: be a matter of Swim and He competing for starting roles.
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Speaker 1: They're both going to be in the mix somewhere. He's
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Speaker 1: going to be in the mix. He he may be
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Speaker 1: uh more important in the short term than Josh Allen
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Speaker 1: because with Josh Allen with a pass rush, you expect
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Speaker 1: immediate impact, but oftentimes you don't get the sack numbers
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Speaker 1: out of that immediately in the first year. It can
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Speaker 1: take time to learn how to use your hands. In
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Speaker 1: the league, they need production out of the tight end
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Speaker 1: spot immediately. They were bad there last year. They need
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Speaker 1: to be better. This might be the most important pick
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Speaker 1: of the draft. All right, let's wrap it up with
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Speaker 1: new running back Quincy Williams. Dave Cobble says, don't get
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Speaker 1: mad at me because you didn't know who he was.
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Speaker 1: A couple of personal directors in the league, a couple
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Speaker 1: of gms are like, you know, it's funny that people
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Speaker 1: that don't do the work, and I think it's you know,
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Speaker 1: they judge before they even know the kids are. Look
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Speaker 1: at the tape and they can't put the tape on.
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Speaker 1: You know, look at the look at the kid, look
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Speaker 1: at the character, look at the measurables. Um, you know
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Speaker 1: I can't help but that you guys into your own work.
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Speaker 1: It was I mean, none of us really knew who
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Speaker 1: he was until they picked and we looked and Sutton
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Speaker 1: when we saw the highlights in they were really impressive,
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Speaker 1: but really about it, none of us knew who he was.
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Speaker 1: I mean, none of us watched Murray State. If you
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Speaker 1: don't watch mount All, Mountain West or Mountain West conference football,
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Speaker 1: are you watching Murray State? No, Um, we knew whose
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Speaker 1: brother was. And and here's what I learned in the
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Speaker 1: hour after the draft that the kid was a legitimately
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Speaker 1: a great swimmer, had Junior Olympic, Olympic kind of potential. Um,
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Speaker 1: and gave that up to play football. I don't know
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Speaker 1: whether you've ever swam but in an easy and this
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Speaker 1: guy was really good. I swam, had it, swam fast,
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Speaker 1: but it's not easy. Um, but the wrong usage. He
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Speaker 1: never said that like that. Yeah, you ever swim? I
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Speaker 1: think swim swim swim, but swam swam ever swam swam.
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Speaker 1: It all sounds weird now that you say it. He'll
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Speaker 1: be a hot button issue because there will be people who,
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Speaker 1: because they haven't heard of him, and because the immediate reaction,
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Speaker 1: will always think that he was too risky a pick.
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Speaker 1: Within NFL circles, he was a known quantity. He had
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Speaker 1: visited tennerary eleven teams. The teams that were interested in
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Speaker 1: him had him in this round about where he was.
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Speaker 1: There's no greater risk of picking this player than there
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Speaker 1: is of picking a kid from you know, Auburn in
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Speaker 1: the fourth round. Uh, there's perceived risk. There's no greater risk.
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Speaker 1: This kid's fine, he can play, uh and maybe he'll
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Speaker 1: work out, maybe he doesn't. But in the third round
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Speaker 1: it's about a forties sixty deal where they actually work
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Speaker 1: out the speed um. I heard an interview with his coach,
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Speaker 1: I believe it was yesterday talking about and all credit.
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Speaker 1: I think it was on ten ten x L talking
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Speaker 1: about how he runs through tackles and he's not only
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Speaker 1: not scared of contact, he never backs off of a tackle.
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Speaker 1: He looks like a kid who who's going to be
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Speaker 1: able to play in this league. And contribute. You don't
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Speaker 1: always get to have a third round tackle. It was
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Speaker 1: a fine I mean at a third round pick. It
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Speaker 1: was a fine pick well, and you would think immediately
18:02
Speaker 1: based on his speed and the video we have seen
18:05
Speaker 1: of him, that he'll be a force on specialtyam right?
18:07
Speaker 1: I mean if if DJ Chark can come in and
18:11
Speaker 1: be a force as a second round pick, this kid
18:13
Speaker 1: can as a third well. I don't I don't know
18:16
Speaker 1: what will happen with Telvin Smith. I don't know, uh
18:19
Speaker 1: where that end game is going to be. But when
18:22
Speaker 1: you watch this kid on tape, he's Telvin Smith. Not
18:25
Speaker 1: the same size, body type, but plays like him uber fast.
18:30
Speaker 1: I'm believing fast. That's Telvin strength. Uh wouldn't surprise me
18:35
Speaker 1: if at some point this guy's a factor at week's
18:37
Speaker 1: side linebacker. I'm not saying it's gonna be this year.
18:39
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's because of what's going on with Telvin.
18:42
Speaker 1: But even without all this stuff going on with Telvin,
18:45
Speaker 1: Telvin is at a stage of his contract where you
18:48
Speaker 1: need to start drafting depth, perhaps to eventually replace. It's
18:53
Speaker 1: got a big thing. Three. The last one is Day three.
18:56
Speaker 1: Quill Armstead Gardner minshew on Dantaneous Russell to those positions
19:00
Speaker 1: were absolutely a need in the draft. The Douval fan
19:03
Speaker 1: base already loves this quarterback. Proud of you. Yeah, man,
19:14
Speaker 1: that's awesome. It is. It's awesome. Well, you know, all
19:22
Speaker 1: we heard from Mark Ellen's when he was down talking
19:24
Speaker 1: to the media after this pick was how much you
19:26
Speaker 1: were going to like him? And just that video clip
19:27
Speaker 1: right there, I can't wait to meet him. Yeah, it
19:30
Speaker 1: seems like he has an awesome personality, really a love
19:32
Speaker 1: for the game. And we talked about how a lot
19:35
Speaker 1: of the coaches we were listening to and reading articles
19:38
Speaker 1: on said that the difference with him in the film
19:40
Speaker 1: setting how quickly it translated to the practice field was
19:43
Speaker 1: really impressive. For oh, I didn't know if we were
19:48
Speaker 1: going to a sod and I was going to you're
19:51
Speaker 1: on it today for Tom, and Tom came in the
19:56
Speaker 1: first person he talked about after the draft. Tom Coughlin
20:00
Speaker 1: was this kid, and he gushed about his football savvy. Well,
20:04
Speaker 1: and this is also a unique guy. He came in
20:08
Speaker 1: to the combine room and basically let off with hate.
20:12
Speaker 1: I know I'm too short, I know him too slow.
20:14
Speaker 1: I know I can't throw hard enough, but I want
20:15
Speaker 1: to living games. There's a confidence and an edginess that it.
20:21
Speaker 1: I don't know that Tom would love if he also
20:25
Speaker 1: didn't bring this incredible football intelligence to the table. Uh
20:30
Speaker 1: beyond everything else. What every scout and even every person
20:33
Speaker 1: we talked to off the air, Brian I talked about
20:35
Speaker 1: with this kid was he really knows the game, and
20:39
Speaker 1: he knows it at a level and processes quickly enough,
20:43
Speaker 1: at a phenomenally high level, which makes you think that
20:46
Speaker 1: he could possibly be in the mixed lot sooner than
20:49
Speaker 1: any normal six round quarterbacks. Yeah. Yeah, well he's not
20:52
Speaker 1: gonna start right, so right, right right, you should be
20:57
Speaker 1: in the mix. Clarify for you, Um, he could be
21:01
Speaker 1: the backup this year. That's not that's that is absolutely
21:06
Speaker 1: not on the Roman possibility because of what you alluded to,
21:09
Speaker 1: and that is he's one of those rare guys that
21:11
Speaker 1: can take it from the meeting room to the practice
21:14
Speaker 1: field from the first day he gets here. And he's
21:17
Speaker 1: also and his his story was told all weekend started
21:21
Speaker 1: Troy or started. Troy went to community college, went to
21:26
Speaker 1: East Carolina, went to Washington State. Um, so he's older,
21:30
Speaker 1: he he comes in, he's not a twenty one year
21:34
Speaker 1: old kid coming in. He's had a lot of experience,
21:36
Speaker 1: he knows how to process all this, so he's a
21:38
Speaker 1: little bit more of a veteran guy even coming in.
21:41
Speaker 1: You mentioned it on Saturday and I wrap up show
21:43
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21:46
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21:48
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21:50
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Speaker 1: You know they're both the whole defense, and the whole
23:53
Speaker 1: defense is dynamics. They can move around. They they're so
23:57
Speaker 1: aggressive to man the dbs. I got great dvs. They
24:01
Speaker 1: allow us to hunt you know what I mean. So
24:03
Speaker 1: right now, I'm so excited. Man. It's a perfect it's
24:06
Speaker 1: a perfect fit for me in my family, and I
24:10
Speaker 1: just can't give her. I'm ready to work. So here's
24:13
Speaker 1: a little inside information. Uh. The Jaguars send Alex Brooks,
24:17
Speaker 1: who is a member of the pr staff up and
24:19
Speaker 1: he's got a basically, he's got a definition sheet for
24:23
Speaker 1: whoever they drafted, who the owner is, who the coaches
24:26
Speaker 1: or the g M is, who the key players are,
24:28
Speaker 1: so that when the player, whoever it is, comes to
24:30
Speaker 1: speak to the media, they have some sense of what
24:32
Speaker 1: they're talking about. Um. Josh said to me before we
24:35
Speaker 1: started the interview that he had a great visit down
24:37
Speaker 1: here and he had done his own homework. He didn't
24:40
Speaker 1: need the sheet. He knew who everyone was, so when
24:42
Speaker 1: he's there talking about who the dbs are, he knows
24:46
Speaker 1: exactly what kind of the defense he's plugging into. The
24:49
Speaker 1: excitement was genuine on his part because he understood the fit.
24:52
Speaker 1: When you have a player, you know, the explosiveness of
24:55
Speaker 1: a unique and gowky on one side, and just the
24:58
Speaker 1: overall the the ity of Calais Campbell and Marcel Darius
25:02
Speaker 1: with those corners back there. He uh, he feels real
25:05
Speaker 1: good about where he is. Well, a couple of things
25:07
Speaker 1: and that first of all, what was Brooksie roll at
25:10
Speaker 1: that point? Then like, I'll tell you the most important
25:12
Speaker 1: so so up. No, No, he did because when those
25:15
Speaker 1: guys are picked, the first thing they do is they
25:17
Speaker 1: walk from the green room to the stage. Then there
25:20
Speaker 1: is a host of media obligations, right, they do NFL network,
25:24
Speaker 1: they do ESPN. Then there's you know, six or eight
25:27
Speaker 1: national radio national writers before the television people, and they
25:31
Speaker 1: get around to us after that. Brooksie's job, the most
25:36
Speaker 1: important job is to intercept that process. He was about
25:39
Speaker 1: to step into a room and start that process. Brooksie said, no,
25:42
Speaker 1: we needed to talk to the fans because remember that
25:44
Speaker 1: interview was broadcast live back for the people who were
25:47
Speaker 1: here at the Jaguars Draft Day fan fest. So Brooksie's
25:50
Speaker 1: role was paramount. But apparently he did it. He did
25:54
Speaker 1: it very very well. Brooks. He can't help the fact
25:57
Speaker 1: that this kid did his homework about where he was
25:59
Speaker 1: going his job easier. But he's a terrific He does
26:05
Speaker 1: feel like a fit, and that's not always the case.
26:09
Speaker 1: In the first No, he feels like the kind of
26:10
Speaker 1: guy who could become and this is high praise, but
26:15
Speaker 1: has the personality to become a Calais Cammel kind of player.
26:19
Speaker 1: And his little boy Wesley stole the show. Stop my microphone.
26:22
Speaker 1: You couldn't see that, but he kept grabbing the microphone
26:24
Speaker 1: out of my hand. He's got a future, mat all right,
26:28
Speaker 1: what are we doing now? He might John, I think
26:31
Speaker 1: you should go fight. Well. I picked Quincy Williams uh,
26:35
Speaker 1: the controversy old pick among fans if you will uh,
26:40
Speaker 1: and he will remain that way. He's going to be
26:43
Speaker 1: a flashpoint because when you are taken that early from
26:47
Speaker 1: a small school, you're going to be watched. Uh. He
26:51
Speaker 1: won't start right away because that's not what they drafted
26:54
Speaker 1: him to do. In the third round. You're not drafting
26:57
Speaker 1: necessarily for immediate starter, but as Dave called Us says,
27:00
Speaker 1: you're drafting for starting traits, and that will be the
27:04
Speaker 1: fascinating thing to watch do those starting straights because he's
27:07
Speaker 1: a bit short, you know, not prototype, but he's got
27:13
Speaker 1: that speed that in this defense is so important that
27:19
Speaker 1: it does make you think that he can be that
27:21
Speaker 1: guy down the road. And h he might wind up
27:25
Speaker 1: being finally the guy that maybe shatters that whole stigma
27:30
Speaker 1: that's left over from the Jeans Smith days. You can't
27:33
Speaker 1: take a small school guy. You can take small school
27:36
Speaker 1: guys in this league. There's no rule that says a
27:38
Speaker 1: guy can't make it. They've had some guys not work
27:41
Speaker 1: out around here. This kid might be the one who
27:44
Speaker 1: who finally breaks that and stops all that chatter every
27:47
Speaker 1: time he take a small school guy. All right, you'd
27:49
Speaker 1: be to go next. Yes, I have a costume change.
27:52
Speaker 1: It's very important, Okay, So I went with Juwan Taylor.
27:55
Speaker 1: He will step in as the starting right tackle from
27:57
Speaker 1: the very beginning. You know, you generally here Doug talk
28:00
Speaker 1: about players needing to earn it and and I don't
28:03
Speaker 1: discount that, but Dave made it clear he was their
28:06
Speaker 1: starting right tackle, whether he came out and said it
28:08
Speaker 1: or not in the post draft interview with him. Uh,
28:12
Speaker 1: he has the size, the length, the frame. He looks
28:17
Speaker 1: like the guy from the very beginning. He won't need
28:20
Speaker 1: a lot of help. You know what. Jeremy Parnell the
28:21
Speaker 1: last couple of years, he had a lot of any
28:23
Speaker 1: braces and a lot of elbow braces on. Uh. They
28:26
Speaker 1: needed to try to help him when he remember he
28:28
Speaker 1: struggled with the speed rushers. D Ford in particular comes
28:31
Speaker 1: to mind. I can't look at this um and he
28:35
Speaker 1: won't need a lot of help. I mean, this guy
28:36
Speaker 1: has really good feet um and he might be a
28:43
Speaker 1: how do I say this? He might make this offensive
28:46
Speaker 1: line as good as it thinks it can be, right
28:49
Speaker 1: because you've got some talented players in Cam Robinson and
28:52
Speaker 1: Brandon Linder, and I mean they spent a lot of
28:55
Speaker 1: money last year at the left guard spot. He might
28:58
Speaker 1: be that piece that pulls this together. It makes it
29:01
Speaker 1: a really, really good line. It's now filmed with It's
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Speaker 1: now filled with prime acquisitions all across the board. Second
29:10
Speaker 1: round tackle, second round tackle, Norward round guard and h
29:14
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29:17
Speaker 1: at the other one. You've spent to be good there, right, okay?
29:21
Speaker 1: And your excuses no surprise, my he will he won't,
29:24
Speaker 1: he might is Gardner mint? Shoot, he will become the
29:27
Speaker 1: backup quarterback to Nick Foles. All that intelligence we talked
29:30
Speaker 1: about on the field and in the film room has
29:32
Speaker 1: impressed the coaching staff. The interview at the combine really
29:35
Speaker 1: impressed Tom Coughlin that he walked in. John mentioned earlier.
29:38
Speaker 1: I know him too small. I know I'm too sure.
29:40
Speaker 1: I know I don't have a strong arm, but I'm
29:42
Speaker 1: a winner. I want eleven games. I think that says
29:44
Speaker 1: a lot about him in his confidence. Take this seriously, seriously,
29:48
Speaker 1: why are you wearing? Because I'm trying to play into
29:51
Speaker 1: the role of the quarterback. He won't let the lack
29:54
Speaker 1: of NFL experience get to him. A lot of arguments
29:56
Speaker 1: are being made that you know, Tanner Lee and Codie
29:58
Speaker 1: Kesler have some game time NFL experience, But when you
30:01
Speaker 1: watch that, did anything really impress you when they were
30:03
Speaker 1: on the field. Did you make that argument? Well, I
30:05
Speaker 1: gotta see that again. That Cody Kussler intanuerly performance. So
30:08
Speaker 1: I don't really think that's much of an argument. He's
30:10
Speaker 1: not gonna let that get to him. He might have
30:12
Speaker 1: the best stash in the NFL besides me, And that's it.
30:17
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30:22
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30:26
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30:32
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33:09
Speaker 1: I mean, he just seems to get He just gets
33:11
Speaker 1: it first round picks right. Shouldn't be handing out cigars
33:13
Speaker 1: or something if he rolls around there with oh my god,
33:16
Speaker 1: well that's all great, but where are they eating? And
33:19
Speaker 1: how was I not? That's so rude. They didn't invite you,
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33:24
Speaker 1: at the All right, that's fine. You missed out on
33:26
Speaker 1: that one. It's alright. Something to say about Klaus is
33:30
Speaker 1: that he contacted the pr staff and he wanted to
33:33
Speaker 1: meet Josh Allen, that he was here. That's why he's
33:35
Speaker 1: worth every penny they pay him. Best free agent the
33:37
Speaker 1: Jaguars have ever signed, absolutely all right, time four. If
34:00
Speaker 1: you just had the Bobby hat, it would be a
34:03
Speaker 1: complete picture right now. Yeah, it would be a sane
34:06
Speaker 1: blew the mustache away. It looks so much better on him,
34:10
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34:14
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34:17
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34:21
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34:27
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34:31
Speaker 1: at Florida, anything you never know what you might meet,
34:34
Speaker 1: anything goes all right, we want that Ben next week.
34:37
Speaker 1: All right, here we go ozone Terry from Jacksonville, who
34:40
Speaker 1: is going to catch the ball. Since they never drafted
34:43
Speaker 1: a wide receiver, Well, I got this a lot, and
34:46
Speaker 1: uh it was a topic. They like the wide receivers
34:51
Speaker 1: better than observers did, and that's just something that they're
34:54
Speaker 1: going to deal with as they go forward and something
34:56
Speaker 1: that fans are gonna have to deal with. Marquis Lee,
34:59
Speaker 1: DJ Chark, Chris Connelly, Healing Cole, and Needy Westbrook. They
35:07
Speaker 1: have faith in those guys. They believe they're going to
35:09
Speaker 1: be better than they were last year. They believe they're
35:11
Speaker 1: going to continue to grow. They believe DJ Chark is
35:13
Speaker 1: going to be a first round type of guy. That's
35:17
Speaker 1: what they're going with. They believe they're better there than
35:19
Speaker 1: people think. I think if the knee injury is not
35:26
Speaker 1: the issue, if if if Mark Easiley comes back healthy,
35:32
Speaker 1: I agree to me, that's still a question mark. We're
35:34
Speaker 1: talking about a major injury. However, I think it has
35:38
Speaker 1: to be factored in that Nick Foles should make these
35:42
Speaker 1: receivers better. Right, if he is as accurate as the
35:45
Speaker 1: numbers suggest that he is, if his ball, you know,
35:49
Speaker 1: if he throws a pass precise, which Blake didn't do um,
35:53
Speaker 1: then he should throw them open and throw them into
35:56
Speaker 1: positions where they're able to make better plays. So I
35:59
Speaker 1: think there's something to that. However, the knee injuries. Just
36:03
Speaker 1: with me. It's why I've been talking about a wide receiver.
36:05
Speaker 1: They brought four or five in is undrafted guys, so
36:08
Speaker 1: I think they probably have a number of You believe
36:11
Speaker 1: the Perkins walked by and didn't say a word about
36:13
Speaker 1: He didn't see no way. Here's the thing to remember,
36:19
Speaker 1: you can't force things. Free agency was is never loaded
36:24
Speaker 1: with number one receivers. This was not a great receiver draft.
36:28
Speaker 1: I don't know that after you know, there was no
36:33
Speaker 1: one the dazz leading in the first round, and then
36:35
Speaker 1: after you get outside of that, I don't know there's
36:36
Speaker 1: anybody who comes in and makes you better quickly. So
36:38
Speaker 1: I don't know that it's unusual they didn't address it.
36:41
Speaker 1: All right, Okay, let's go to Greg from St. John's, Florida.
36:45
Speaker 1: I know very little about many things, and even less
36:47
Speaker 1: about our undrafted free agent signings. Which players in that
36:50
Speaker 1: group have the best chance to make the final roster.
36:53
Speaker 1: There's a couple the two safeties and you know names
36:58
Speaker 1: escaping me. Now, there's a couple of safe tis who
37:00
Speaker 1: can make it. The cornerback Smith from Alabama was a
37:03
Speaker 1: five star recruited, big time player, and Trevor Meyer I
37:06
Speaker 1: believe his name is from Oklahoma tight end tight end.
37:10
Speaker 1: That was the name of Carson Meyer. And that's on me. Uh,
37:13
Speaker 1: there's a few guys who have a chance to make it. Um.
37:16
Speaker 1: Safety is going to be really interesting out of that
37:18
Speaker 1: because it looks like they were trying to address their depth.
37:21
Speaker 1: There absolutely nothing to add to that. Definitely, Nick focus
37:24
Speaker 1: on safeties there. All right, let's go to Daniel from
37:26
Speaker 1: College Station, Texas. I can't help but wonder if this
37:29
Speaker 1: draft is the beginning of the old guard being replaced
37:32
Speaker 1: in a new era starting. Is this the beginning and
37:35
Speaker 1: you see us holding onto some of the core players
37:37
Speaker 1: coming up? Well, um, yes, good insight that it's the
37:41
Speaker 1: start of the old But every draft has to be that.
37:45
Speaker 1: It's a constant churn in the NFL. If you're not
37:48
Speaker 1: replacing core and building core in the draft very quickly,
37:52
Speaker 1: you're going to be wishing you had. So it better
37:55
Speaker 1: be that. But every draft better be that. If the
37:58
Speaker 1: quarterback is who they think he is, in other words,
38:00
Speaker 1: afford a seven year starter because he's only thirty years old.
38:04
Speaker 1: If he's that guy who carries you through, then absolutely
38:06
Speaker 1: you're always looking at your roster in relation to him.
38:10
Speaker 1: Just look at how different the roster is for Ben
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Speaker 1: so yeah there, and plus, here's the other Clais Campbell.
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Speaker 1: We thought there was a chance middle of last year
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Speaker 1: new Jaguar and mentioned him in his press conference. It's
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Speaker 1: this guy, and I know you're a box. You want
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Speaker 1: an Indian. When that happened with the linebacker Quinna Williams brother,
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Speaker 1: everyone was shocked. He went early to Jacksonville and it's
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Speaker 1: probably because he didn't go to Indie. But we found
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Speaker 1: about him a little bit later, and that guy went
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Speaker 1: exactly where he should have gone. He was a really
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Speaker 1: good player. And that happens with a number of people
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Speaker 1: just confirming you don't know. I mean, these guys do
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Speaker 1: the work on that, they talk amongst each other, they're
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Speaker 1: out there on the trail scouting guys. They know, you know,
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Speaker 1: not every team is going to agree on every player,
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Speaker 1: but they know who the guys on. Credit to the
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Speaker 1: Jaguars that he was from Guam, that's for sure. All right.
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Speaker 1: Let's go to the graduate assistant on offense at San
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Speaker 1: Jose's Jose States who said that these are some things
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Speaker 1: you can't find on pro football focus about the new
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Speaker 1: tight end. Never late for a meeting over a three
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Speaker 1: point oh g p a every semester, took care of
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Speaker 1: his nutrition outside of the facility, took coaching every single day.
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Speaker 1: Film study couldn't say enough great things about this guy.
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Speaker 1: Sound a great kid. You know, they were looking for character,
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Speaker 1: They were looking to clean the locker room up a
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Speaker 1: little bit. And let's finish with none other than Calais Campbell.
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Speaker 1: A lot of players talking about Josh Allen after he
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Speaker 1: was selected. Calais with one of the good ones. We
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Speaker 1: are going to eat Josh Allen, welcome to the squad.
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Speaker 1: He had Jalen, Ramsey and Leonard for nett. A ton
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Speaker 1: of guys, all mostly defense, talking about Josh Allen. But
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Speaker 1: we talked about how a guy like Alan can help
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Speaker 1: a guy like Unique take some of the pressure off.
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Speaker 1: What does it mean to a guy like Campbell to
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Speaker 1: have a young pass rusher out there chasing makes everyone's job.
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Speaker 1: But of course he wanted to eat. He got to
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Speaker 1: go to the good lunch. Drop it, hang it on
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