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Shane Gillis, SNL and "It's Just a Joke": Why That's Not a Defense · You're Not Too Much

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  L2: Maybe he needs to stop freebasing Joe Rogan's cradle cap and just go away for
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  a while because like, what the fuck, man?
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  If you are a woman and you want to make men leave you alone at the gym,
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  apparently the way to do it is to wear the short shorts, wear the neon short
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  shorts, add them to cart right now,
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  We are so super done with dudes that look like bloated thumbs, making comments
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  about how women are allowed to exist.
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  Shane Gillis has the look and charisma of a wooden spoon, but the wooden
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  spoon has contributed to society.
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  If I had known that the way to tell guys like Shane Gillis to fuck
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  off was to just wear bike shorts, I would've bought them earlier.
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  Shane Gillis looks like his sweat glands deserve hazard pay.
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  Shane Gillis looks like pitting edema.
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  Not that he has pitting edema.
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  He is pitting edema.
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  I don't have 10, but I can come up with them.
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  Uh, I can come up with five more, but I will.
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  Dude, getting sued by David Letterman would be an honor.
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  I'd be so excited if I did something viral enough that David Letterman
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  was like, you're stealing my IP.
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  I would be like, okay, but can I touch your beard?
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  Looks so scratchy.
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  It's like a great beard, but also not a good beard at all.
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  It's, I have a lot of thoughts about his facial hair.
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  I need to ask something of the universe in a big way.
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  And that is, can we please stop trying to make Shane Gillis happen?
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  Just please, it's not gonna happen.
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  I understand that in some ways it may have already happened, but that was
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  a gross overestimation of his talent.
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  Please give us this one thing.
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  We already have a presidential administration full of jackasses
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  and morons and pedophiles.
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  Can we not have our airways filled with the Stay Puft
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  Marshmallow Man with a microphone?
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  Like, can we not, can we not have like somebody like Shane
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  Gillis who, who isn't just white?
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  Is it possible that he's allergic to melanin?
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  Because like, I'm, I'm white, I'm super white, I'm very, very white and
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  he makes me look like I just spent the weekend on a Caribbean beach.
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  So like, bro is missing some things, some of which are brain cells,
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  some of which are other things.
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  But I don't know if you're aware of the discourse that is happening
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  right now around consent and what constitutes rape and how consent
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  can be revoked at any time.
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  And nothing a woman ever does justifies rape.
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  The only person who is responsible for rape is the rapist.
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  Like those are conversations that we were having big and out loud right now,
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  if you want my opinion on the Cornell 7, there was an episode about
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  it, like there's this very, and this public discourse should be happening.
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  Actually, I take that back.
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  Public discourse shouldn't be happening because there should be
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  no question that rape is bad, right?
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  There should be no question.
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  There should be no question that no matter what a woman wears, she
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  was not asking to be assaulted.
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  If you, if you make the statement that women should change their clothing
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  so they don't get assaulted, you are making the statement that assault is the
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  understood byproduct of being a woman.
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  And that's not true.
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  That's not true.
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  So while this public discourse is happening, or anytime, this was bad
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  anytime, but like especially a bad look if you're so out of touch that
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  you're not like, oh, maybe this is a stupid time to say this thing to
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  go on SNL and call all women whores, or all women at the gym whores.
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  When did all women start dressing like whores?
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  I mean, maybe, maybe the question is why haven't you been to a gym in that long?
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  I mean, we know you haven't been to a gym in that long.
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  Let's be honest.
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  We have eyes, but why are all women dressed
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  like whores?
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  okay?
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  So couple of questions there.
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  Let's, let's like go back to the baseline assumption that you're a comedian and then
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  therefore you're supposed to be funny.
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  And calling women horses is funny?
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  I'm not, I'm not sure about that.
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  And then on top of that, well, actually, the thing that makes me laugh the
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  most about the whole situation is that I keep seeing articles that say
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  like, Shane Gillis not banned from SNL or something like that, thinking
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  that they're gonna be like, we can't have this guy on anymore because his
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  monologue was offensive and misogynistic.
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  Right?
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  No, they're saying it because apparently later in the show,
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  I didn't watch the show.
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  I saw the clip of him being disgusting, which, by the way, every
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  clip of him is him being disgusting.
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  But I saw the particular clip of him being disgusting, and I
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  was like, that's enough for me.
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  I don't need to watch this anymore.
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  But apparently later in the show, he said, the fuck word.
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  And that is why people are saying he didn't get banned.
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  Lorne Michaels isn't gonna ban him.
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  Do we remember his origin story with SNL that he made really inappropriate jokes
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  And he lost his job on SNL.
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  He hadn't even started yet.
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  He got fired before he started because of the things that he had said.
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  And now they bring him back annually to do the thing that he got fired for.
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  Hmm, that makes, that makes a whole lot of sense.
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  If you have the charisma of a wooden spoon without the usefulness, I
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  don't think we need your monologue.
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  If your whole bit is about how you're fat and unattractive and you think that
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  gives you the right to punch down, I don't even know if he's punching down
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  him making fun of women is kind of punching up, but like, you know, weird
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  twisted, what the fuck are you doing way. You don't get to call all women whores.
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  You just don't, it was not only stupid in the frame of current public
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  discourse, but it was just stupid.
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  I could think of a thousand ways to tell that joke.
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  That would still be funny.
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  Like, I can think of maybe more than a thousand ways where you could tell
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  the joke, make fun of the shorts, and not reduce every woman to a really,
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  really nasty word that indicates that you think of their value as not only
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  less than yours, but like non-existent.
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  It was degrading, it was disgusting.
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  And, and from him, somebody that has like, that has no rebuttal.
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  What is he gonna say?
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  I am a, I'm a, a white man.
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  There's, there's nothing that he could say to make it better
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  other than this is just comedy.
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  Okay.
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  But comedy is supposed to be funny.
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  And like I can come up with a, like, I've heard jokes before that are
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  offensive to me that I still understand are funny or are funny to other people.
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  There is comedy that is not for me, meaning I don't enjoy it,
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  but I understand why it's funny.
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  This wasn't funny.
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  This was classifying 50% of the population as a literal slur.
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  And I, I don't understand why he keeps getting work, and I certainly
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  don't understand why he gets one of the biggest Saturday night
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  stages in the world once a year.
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  Somebody said that he sells out his shows or he sells out auditoriums, and
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  that's why they want him on every year.
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  And it's like, okay, so there are a bunch of boring old white dudes
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  who are misogynists. Congratulations.
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  We'll put that on the list of things that are deeply shocking.
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  Oh wait, there's literally a guy running our country, supposedly, depending
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  on your definition of competence, but like running our country, whose name
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  is in this big stack of documents thousands of times because he's a
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  misogynist and a rapist and a pedophile.
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  And we're gonna like, give the runway to somebody who just brings that
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  even more into the public discourse.
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  I don't know.
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  I don't think so.
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  I think that guy needs to get bent and get bent hard in case you were
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  wondering how strongly I feel about that.
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  But the other thing is, so not only, not only is he like, being edgy for the sake
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  of being edgy because he wants to get a reaction out of people, which he did.
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  So I guess he accomplished his goal.
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  Then he like name drops two of the most reprehensible people on the
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  planet to show that he has friends.
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  You, you have friends who also suck.
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  Oh, okay.
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  That helps.
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  So like maybe he needs to stop freebasing Joe Rogan's cradle
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  cap and just go away for a while because like, what the fuck, man?
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  Like he used his monologue to show everybody that he's besties with the
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  world's most disgusting podcaster.
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  Who, by the way, I use as my motivation every week to keep showing up here
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  on the days where I'm like, I don't know if I should keep doing this.
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  I don't know if anybody needs to hear me.
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  And then I think about the fact that people literally voluntarily listen
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  to Joe Rogan every week, however many times a week he publishes.
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  Like people show up looking for the things he says as if
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  they're valuable in some way.
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  This guy just figured out that vaccines are good.
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  After everything that he did to damage vaccine science, not vaccine science,
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  but like the vaccine discourse.
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  He figures out things that everybody knew all along and he wants to deliver
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  the news to you that we knew already as if he stupid, balding white man came up
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  with something that the rest of the world with an IQ above 75 didn't already know.
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  This is sad.
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  It's, it's just sad.
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  And we need to stop giving these men our airwaves.
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  And if you are a woman and you want to make men leave you alone at the gym,
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  apparently the way to do it is to wear the short shorts, wear the neon short
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  shorts, add them to cart right now, because then you're undesirable to them.
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  And I can't think of something more interesting to me than being
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  undesirable to Shane Gillis.
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  Let's go be undesirable.
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  Let's, let's wear shorter shorts.
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  That guy can get fucked or probably can't, probably can't, but we're done
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  with, we're done with dudes like that.
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  We are so super done with dudes that look like bloated thumbs, making comments
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  about how women are allowed to exist.
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  We will exist however the fuck we want because we don't do it
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  for your gaze, and we never have.
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  And I'm sorry that that's hard for you, but maybe if you suck
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  less, we'll come around, we won't.
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  But use that as your incentive to see what happens.
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  And in the event that you don't understand quite why this is as offensive and as
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  abhorrent as the women in your life seem to think it's because every,
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  every abusive man has said it's just a joke to gaslight a woman about
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  this scary or degrading thing that he just said that he got in trouble for.
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  Like every single abuser has done that at some point.
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  So saying something that is so grossly offensive and then expecting
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  everybody to just be like, it's fine.
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  'cause it's joke.
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  That's an abuse tactic.
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  That's what people like that do.
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  Every single person who has been on the receiving end of, of narcissistic
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  or relationship abuse has had someone dismissed something awful and
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  underhanded or, or out of hand that they've said as it's just a joke.
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  Why are you overreacting?
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  You're not overreacting.
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  You are reacting to the fact that somebody just said something shitty.
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  And that is the, the large-scale institutionalization of that.
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  It's comedy.
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  It's just a joke.
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  You're overreacting.
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  No, you said something to get a reaction.
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  You didn't get the reaction that you wanted.
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  And now it's just a joke.
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  Alison: All right, we have a question from Bridget.
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  Uh, she says, "I have six 'can I pick your brain' coffee invites this month. How
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  can I say no without being the villain?"
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  L2: Uh, the only people who take issue with your boundaries are the people
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  who benefited from you not having them.
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  So you saying no to something that takes up your time and doesn't feed
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  you in any way, uh, is not being the villain, it's having a boundary.
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  And if somebody thinks you're the villain for them, you don't want to
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  give them your brain droppings anyway.
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  So there's this idea, I think we feel like, especially as women, like
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  we have to be nice to everybody, we have to give everybody our time.
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  And I say this as a person who gives people my time freely all the time.
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  And I've been told I do it too much, and I don't say that as a criticism
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  toward you by any means, because that's my boundary and you can have your own.
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  But I have found in my business that if I give my time freely, it comes
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  back to me in a number of ways.
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  Even people who aren't in my field have sent me referrals because I was supportive
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  and helpful in a time that they needed it.
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  Now, have I done it 100% of the time?
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  No.
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  Are there people who I feel like are using me for information that they're
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  then either gonna go misuse or, like, you know, waste my time taking?
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  Yeah.
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  There have been times where I've said no 'cause I just don't feel like I'm the
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  person that needs to help that person.
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  But there have also been a ton of times… I'll give you an example.
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  I just went to this, uh, customer conference a little while ago from
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  a platform that I'm, uh, involved with, and while I was there, I was
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  talking to this woman, and, and most of the things that I do, 99% of the
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  things that I do are virtual, so we're either on Zoom or we're on the phone,
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  and sometimes we switch to phone.
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  And I'm horrible with names, like horrific with names, so there's
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  a really good chance that I could have talked to you a long time ago
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  and completely forgotten your name.
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  Not forgotten the conversation, remember everything about the conversation,
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  but just not remember your name 'cause I'm just really bad with names.
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  And so, we were at this conference, and we we were just talking about
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  the fact that there's some overlap in our fields, and she was telling me
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  about some of her clients, and I was telling her about some of my clients.
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  And then, uh, I looked down at her name tag and she looked at
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  mine and she was like, "Wait a minute, we've, we've talked."
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  And I was like, "Have we?" And she said, "Yeah, when I was just starting
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  my business, I asked you for… if you wouldn't mind talking to me."
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  And we went back and forth by email a bunch, and then I think we ended
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  up talking on the phone one time.
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  She was like, "You were super helpful." And I was like, "Oh, cool.
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  I'm glad that I could do that for you."
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  And now she's, like, now since we reconnected, she's sent me a
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  bunch of business even though we basically work in the same field.
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  We work in, like, we work in, like, different corners of the same field,
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  so it's, there's not that much overlap.
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  But she sent me a bunch of business even though I took the call forever ago
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  thinking that nothing would come of it, because nothing needed to come of it.
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  But that's how I choose to build my business, and is not
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  a criticism of how you build yours or how you run your career.
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  The only thing to that that I will say, and this again is not to be a
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  criticism of you or the way you do things, is that the point of getting
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  ahead is to bring people with you.
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  You lift while you climb.
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  So if you're moving ahead, you need to be reaching back and
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  grabbing whoever's behind you.
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  That doesn't mean it needs to be a full-time job.
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  It doesn't mean you have to do it for every single person who walks along.
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  But there are going to be people in your career who need you as an example
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  of how to do things right, how to do things ethically, how to do things
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  the smart way, any number of things.
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  And we need to be helping them.
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  Again, that doesn't mean that you give them your last waking minute or that
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  you do it to your own detriment or that you lose money doing it or whatever.
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  But as, I can't even believe I can say this, but as now the adults
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  in the room, which is ridiculous, there's, there's a bunch of people
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  behind us who have never seen business done the way that we're gonna
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  do it or the way that we do it.
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  There's people in front of us, too, but… And, and they need a, they need a primer.
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  So however you do that, there's no right or wrong way to… Well, there's
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  probably a wrong way to do it, but there, there's no one right way to do it.
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  But we need to be bringing
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  people up with us.
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  But also saying that you are never a villain for having boundaries,
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  and anybody who thinks you are was benefiting from you not having them,
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  and you don't need that person around.
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  L2: I was on a work call not that long ago, actually no,
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  it was before a work call.
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  Somebody asked me if I could put something together for a project we
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  were working on, but it, like, we had to encrypt all of it and part
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  of it was putting a password on it.
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  Um, and for some reason the passwords had to be numeric, so I did it
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  and then I put the password on it and sent it to everybody and somebody
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  Slacked me in a group Slack and said, Hey, can I have the password for it?
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  And I wasn't gonna give her the password in the group Slack.
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  And so I said, it's 867-5309.
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  Then just like, didn't think about it again.
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  And she didn't ask me, for Oh haha, the actual password.
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  So I was like, I didn't think about it.
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  I just said a smart-ass thing and moved on.
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  So then we all had a call together, like, I don't know, an hour later and
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  she gets on the call and she's like, Hey, I tried that code and it didn't work.
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  And I sort of calculated her age in my head and I was like, oh no.
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  And I said to the other person, I said to the other person on the call and I
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  was like, is it, is it possible that she does not get the 867-5309 reference?
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  And the other person on the call was like, it is, it is actually very possible.
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  She is.
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  She is a youth.