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Two crocodiles in a backyard splash pool in Springs, illegal exotic pet keeping in Gauteng…. · Anele and the Club on 947

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  Speaker 1: Wake up with a bang up and the club on
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  Speaker 1: nine four seven.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, the reason we're having this conversation is because you
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  Speaker 2: guys know how I feel anytime there is a wild
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  Speaker 2: animal on the loose in Johannesburg. I don't care whether
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  Speaker 2: it was found in Springs, in Alberton, in Brackben, in Midrand,
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  Speaker 2: in Victoria. Anyway, you guys know that the only reason
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  Speaker 2: it's here is it's here to find me.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I was going to say, it's the one thing
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  Speaker 1: that Americans do get right. Yes, there could be lines
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  Speaker 1: in the streets and giraffes.
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  Speaker 3: You never know.
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  Speaker 2: We've had tigers.
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  Speaker 3: We've had tigers, we've had lions.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and now we've got crocodiles. Come on, guys, what's
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  Speaker 2: going on?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? Where was the story about the crocodiles.
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  Speaker 2: In Springs two? Now crocodiles kept like pets, confiscated from
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  Speaker 2: a Springs home. Truth really is stranger than fiction in
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  Speaker 2: this in this country.
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  Speaker 1: The one one point four eight meters the other one
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  Speaker 1: point seven meters that's the tall as I am.
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  Speaker 2: Discovered during a raid on Monday led by the twenty
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  Speaker 2: CA nine units. These canines, guys, they're just like the dogs.
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  Speaker 2: Really a crocodile living in a pool? How big was
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  Speaker 2: this pool?
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  Speaker 3: No, it was apparently quite a small pool.
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  Speaker 1: It's like they were like in almost in cages, and
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  Speaker 1: then there was a splash pool for them.
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  Speaker 3: Like why in someone's backyard? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Inside the yard, officials found the crocodiles confined in a
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  Speaker 2: black steel enclosure measuring roughly five point six meters by
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  Speaker 2: one point eight meters, with only a small blue slash
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  Speaker 2: splash pool inside. No tortoises were found during the search.
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  Speaker 1: That's because someone said that they were tortoises and crocodiles,
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  Speaker 1: So that's why they mentioned that, because there were no
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  Speaker 1: other animals found as well.
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  Speaker 2: But just we have spent four days trying to get
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  Speaker 2: hold of somebody to speak to. But the person I
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  Speaker 2: really want to chat to is a person who called
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  Speaker 2: it in, the person who snitched, the.
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  Speaker 3: Neighbor who apeared over the over the wall.
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  Speaker 2: Can you imagine the shock? Horror? And to speak guys,
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  Speaker 2: right now, you pick over your neighbor's wall, there's the
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  Speaker 2: toola costas.
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  Speaker 3: Two crocodiles.
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  Speaker 2: You must think you're losing your mind.
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  Speaker 3: No, you must be like, what's good?
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  Speaker 2: I think you're losing your mind. You must think you've
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  Speaker 2: gone mad. Why are you keeping crocodiles? Like, where's the throw?
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  Speaker 2: What are you doing? Crocodile? Dundee?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't imagine out of all the animals, you'd
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  Speaker 1: keep crocodiles. But then tigers. Same story.
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  Speaker 2: First there was tigers, now it's crocodiles. Where do we
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  Speaker 2: draw the line? Why do you have like a wild
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  Speaker 2: animal that you wish could be a pit like you
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  Speaker 2: wish you could have like an elephant?
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  Speaker 3: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: You know what the thing is like. It's like a giraffe.
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  Speaker 4: Right, You see a giraffe and you go, oh, he's
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  Speaker 4: got such big eyes and eyelashes and stuff. I wonder
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  Speaker 4: what he feels like. And have you ever patted a giraffe?
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  Speaker 4: It's like a bristl wire. It's not furry at all.
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  Speaker 4: And then you you just look at all it's not
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  Speaker 4: soft and fairy and cudly, and you just look at
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  Speaker 4: these wild animals and you're like, why would you ever
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  Speaker 4: want to keep this? And then if you're the canine unit,
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  Speaker 4: are you not the dog going I'm not going in there?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah no, no, never like wolf from here, because think
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  Speaker 2: about it, people with pets like dogs, cats like you
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  Speaker 2: like to caddle with them and they hang out with
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  Speaker 2: you and you can take them to the park. What
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  Speaker 2: are you doing with the crocodile?
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  Speaker 1: My question really is how big were they when they
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  Speaker 1: got there, because I can assume it was they were
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  Speaker 1: small small. Maybe they were small small, and then people
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  Speaker 1: were like, Oh, that's cool, let's keep crocodiles and then
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  Speaker 1: they grow up.
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  Speaker 2: What do they eat?
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  Speaker 3: Meat?
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  Speaker 2: But like, what are you buying rabbits from a pitch
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  Speaker 2: shop and feeding it to them? Because they're not exactly
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  Speaker 2: hunting for their own food.
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  Speaker 4: I once went in Australia. We went to a crocodile farm.
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  Speaker 4: I was on a Kenticky tour.
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  Speaker 3: They've got if you.
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  Speaker 4: Think we've got crocodiles, they've got huge ones. And they
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  Speaker 4: were just feeding them raw frozen chickens. And those crocodiles
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  Speaker 4: were eating those huge raw frozen chickens like it was
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  Speaker 4: like a biscuit.
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  Speaker 2: Can we imagine the cop We had to be lifted
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  Speaker 2: with a helicopter and went to go fits that crocodile
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  Speaker 2: that had a man inside it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yes, yes, the one that was in that and
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  Speaker 3: what does it alonga side?
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  Speaker 2: We were busy high fiving that man for bracing all
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  Speaker 2: the danger. And there's two hygenas there in Springs going,
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  Speaker 2: oh no, those guys are our pins. We hang out
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  Speaker 2: of them outside. Oh one one eighty eight thirty eight
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  Speaker 2: nine four seven. What is the first thought that came
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  Speaker 2: to your mind when the news report hit that somewhere
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  Speaker 2: in Springs it's always Springs there, you guys, you guys,
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  Speaker 2: I like you, but I judge you.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Exotic Pets Deluxe.
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  Speaker 2: Now that somewhere in Springs there was a household that
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  Speaker 2: had not one, but two crocodiles.
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  Speaker 1: I suppose at least there it's more. I mean, crocodiles
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  Speaker 1: can't jump, right, So they can't jump the.
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  Speaker 2: Fence, yeap, But they can go up.
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  Speaker 4: I can't explain it, Like they can't jump, but they can,
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  Speaker 4: like they can climb out up the side of things.
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  Speaker 3: And then stand on their tail.
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  Speaker 4: No, stand on they like that, no, frank one.
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  Speaker 1: As far as things that can't escape, crocodiles probably high
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  Speaker 1: up on that list.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, then you're also allowed to call in to say,
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  Speaker 2: you guys are overreacting, this is not a danger. Or
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  Speaker 2: crocodiles can't do anything to you. They can't climb. They
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  Speaker 2: can't run fast. I don't know. You just pick a
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  Speaker 2: side and tell me why you've picked that side. I've
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  Speaker 2: picked the side of insanity. Throw them in jail.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would feel bad for the kid who kicks
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  Speaker 1: his ball over the wall.
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  Speaker 2: That ball is yours, guys, that ball is lost forever
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  Speaker 2: zero eight to four double zero double zero nine four seven.
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  Speaker 2: First of it was tigers, Now it's crocodiles. Where do
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  Speaker 2: we draw the line, Oh, you can. You can say,
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  Speaker 2: are overreacting. There's nothing to it.
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  Speaker 3: No, this is wild. There's no way someone saying that.
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  Speaker 2: I just believe.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, So if somebody does say we're overreacting, but then
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  Speaker 4: I just believe that a crocodile should be kept in
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  Speaker 4: an enclosure that is fair to It's as fair as
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  Speaker 4: possible to its natural surroundings, not something that is such
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  Speaker 4: a like, hey, here's your splash, pull like that's unfair.
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  Speaker 2: So your house must have a river. Yes, I don't
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  Speaker 2: get it. Call takes WhatsApp? Run here, just just talk
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  Speaker 2: to us.
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  Speaker 5: I think that's warring me.
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  Speaker 2: Is that all these things come from the eastern only
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  Speaker 2: in springs. In springs, yes, springs. Once again, there's a
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  Speaker 2: House of Driven Past.
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  Speaker 6: It's got you know, those wild white exotic tigers, two
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  Speaker 6: of them in their yard and you.
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  Speaker 2: Can see them as you drive because their gates are
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  Speaker 2: seen through.
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  Speaker 7: I'm like, no, how much money do these guys have
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  Speaker 7: because they are mom, they need to spend on feeding
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  Speaker 7: these things.
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  Speaker 5: We had neighbors when if they winter on holiday, they
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  Speaker 5: would have snakes put into their house and just before
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  Speaker 5: they came back, the snakes would be removed. I hated
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  Speaker 5: those neighbors.
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  Speaker 2: Imagine you come back and there's one snake missing, and
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  Speaker 2: you guys never find it. I would never fall asleeping
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  Speaker 2: that I was ever kid.
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  Speaker 1: That's wild for me, just because those things escape, Those
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  Speaker 1: things can escape.
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  Speaker 2: That's why this lady was like, I hated those neighbors
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  Speaker 2: because now every December we must creek that any and
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  Speaker 2: I'm cond of, Oh, Dina, good morning, you're in for anything?
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  Speaker 8: Good morning club?
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  Speaker 2: How are you?
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  Speaker 8: I'm willing you guys.
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  Speaker 2: Bewildered is what I am. My eyes are speak like,
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  Speaker 2: my eyes are open open because I cannot believe the
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  Speaker 2: things that we're hearing. It's always springs, always springs. You
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  Speaker 2: say you're a vet, Dina.
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  Speaker 8: I'm a vet and the kind of animals that people
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  Speaker 8: have as pets is just actually crazy. You wouldn't realize
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  Speaker 8: why they would have it as fair?
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  Speaker 2: What have you treated?
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  Speaker 8: So recently I treated a wolf that the owner said
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  Speaker 8: was tame. They said you shouldn't sedated, but we did anyway.
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  Speaker 8: But I was just thinking, like, woy would you want
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  Speaker 8: to have a wolf? It's a dangerous animal. It's a
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  Speaker 8: wild animal. And I can't even imagine what people would
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  Speaker 8: do with crocodile.
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  Speaker 2: So hang on, when somebody comes in with the wolf,
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  Speaker 2: aren't you supposed to call somebody to report them? Like
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  Speaker 2: the Child Services of animals?
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  Speaker 8: So generally we are that. Yeah, I mean it depends
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  Speaker 8: on it depends on the practice if it's a long
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  Speaker 8: last client and so I don't know, but it is.
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  Speaker 8: It's an interesting thing. I don't know why people would
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  Speaker 8: have these animals.
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  Speaker 3: So what kind of wolf was this? Was it?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, firstly, wolves aren't South African, right, so we
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  Speaker 1: don't have wolves yet so well, and I mean you
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  Speaker 1: can't imagine.
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  Speaker 8: Apparently they breathe them in brackpan also the East.
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  Speaker 3: Grad and then what was the wolf's name?
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  Speaker 8: Oh, I don't even think it had a name, but Essentially,
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  Speaker 8: a wolf is a dog, So we can treat a
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  Speaker 8: wolf very easy. It's a very wild animal.
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  Speaker 2: What was wrong with it?
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  Speaker 8: It needed like something with as leg It had broken
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  Speaker 8: its legs. We needed to like what was wrong, and
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  Speaker 8: we could do surgery. But so on it was like, no,
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  Speaker 8: we don't need a sedated we can look at it.
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  Speaker 8: I was like, no, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: You were scared. He very Yeah. What color was the
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  Speaker 2: wolf was? It was those pretty white ones that pull slaves.
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  Speaker 8: No, it looked like a husky.
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  Speaker 6: It looked like a.
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  Speaker 2: Big husky, but you could tell it's a wolf.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, No, it was strange. That's and and.
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  Speaker 2: When you ask, are you allowed to ask the owners?
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  Speaker 3: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: So where did you get this wolf? Yeah?
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  Speaker 8: Sit brack pan.
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  Speaker 3: At the market.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, apparently they don like mixes. They're doing like a
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  Speaker 8: saffi and a wolf and a Yorkie and a wolf.
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  Speaker 8: So I mean, I don't know, you know, you don't
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  Speaker 8: even know what people are getting up.
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  Speaker 7: To at home.
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  Speaker 3: Did you say Yorki and the wolf?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah?
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  Speaker 8: I don't even know how that would happen.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: That is a pointy execution of an animal. That's all
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  Speaker 2: I can tell you. That's all I'm saying is in
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  Speaker 2: four ways. Hey, what do a flea markers have Italian
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  Speaker 2: spaces and cupcakes in brackpan? What do they flee markets
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  Speaker 2: have wolves?
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  Speaker 3: This is wild?
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  Speaker 2: This is what What are you guys doing over there? Darren?
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  Speaker 2: Good morning from Edenville?
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  Speaker 3: It's that's it the morning guys.
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  Speaker 2: How are you doing morning? I'm shocked.
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  Speaker 3: I'm so shocked, man.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: So look, as a previous work on a crocodile form
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  Speaker 9: in a paw slaugh, these things are the closest things
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  Speaker 9: to prehistoric dinosaurs as can be. So they mad as hell.
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  Speaker 9: I mean a crocodile can propel itself out of the
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  Speaker 9: water with its tail, pure power from its tail one
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  Speaker 9: and a half times its body lengths.
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  Speaker 3: And then you.
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  Speaker 9: Know when a croc snaps its mouth, that noise, that
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  Speaker 9: sound is ten tons per square inch.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 6: So like, I mean, what are you doing playing around
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  Speaker 6: the dinosaurs?
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  Speaker 4: But technically, if it's got a splash pool, then it
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  Speaker 4: doesn't have their volume of water that it needs to
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  Speaker 4: propel itself.
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  Speaker 9: Right there, But they can still project themselves out.
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  Speaker 6: It can.
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  Speaker 9: It can shoot itself forward in a quick burst of
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  Speaker 9: speed about a meter out of the water. So even
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  Speaker 9: in a splash pool that things launching at you within
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  Speaker 9: a muters distance. They are they seventeen kilometers in the
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  Speaker 9: water per hour and fifteen kilometers on land over short distances.
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  Speaker 9: If you close enough, you've gone.
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  Speaker 3: But it can't scale the wall right it can.
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  Speaker 9: It can kind of rear itself up, but you know,
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  Speaker 9: depending on the signs of the wall, it won't be
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  Speaker 9: able to climb right over.
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  Speaker 2: And you said he used to work on a crocodile
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  Speaker 2: What is a crocodile farm?
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  Speaker 9: Crocodile farm, yes, back in my youth and case.
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  Speaker 2: It in Okay, how big is this farm?
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  Speaker 7: Man?
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  Speaker 9: It's one of the smaller ones around. It's actually done
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  Speaker 9: on the lower South coast in South Broom. There's obviously
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  Speaker 9: the bigger one, which is the Crooks brothers up in Scottborough.
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  Speaker 9: So our one we had about man about fifty to
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  Speaker 9: sixty odd crops from there. We also used to berth them,
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  Speaker 9: you know, when it was mating season and hatching season.
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  Speaker 9: We used to take them out at the late afternoon,
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  Speaker 9: the eggs out of the nest and then let them
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  Speaker 9: incubate and then when they started hatching, we'd send them
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  Speaker 9: up to that farm owner's brother out in the northern
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  Speaker 9: Acault to read them and then you know, export them
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  Speaker 9: and sign and so forth, and it's a big business.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm just trying to assess how much space it
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  Speaker 2: needs to be living a good life for a crocodile.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what that is.
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  Speaker 9: You need an enormous amount of space. You need a
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  Speaker 9: proper like a size of a farm ten hectares at least.
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  Speaker 3: How many chickens did they eat?
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  Speaker 9: Strange enough they could eat in winter, they can eat
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  Speaker 9: once every three weeks. In summer that eat, we'd feed
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  Speaker 9: them every every week. Once every week was a Sunday,
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  Speaker 9: which was the feeding that goes through. I mean we
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  Speaker 9: had about twenty in the biggest pool and that goes
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  Speaker 9: through about twenty to thirty chickens. And the real thing
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  Speaker 9: that they used to enjoy is obviously the surrounding farmers.
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  Speaker 9: If they had horses or cattle that died of natural causes,
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  Speaker 9: they just you know, donate it to us or give.
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  Speaker 3: It to us.
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  Speaker 9: We chop it up, and the crocs chocolates.
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  Speaker 3: So they loved it.
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  Speaker 2: And then just quickly I just put myself I'm sort
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  Speaker 2: of okay, let's say I am in a square of
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  Speaker 2: with the crocodile does that thing work that they do
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  Speaker 2: in the movies. I jump on its back and I
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  Speaker 2: hold its mouth closed.
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  Speaker 9: So he has the kicker. A crocodile doesn't have proper
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  Speaker 9: depth perception if it doesn't have both eyes fixed on
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  Speaker 9: its target. So that's why when you see somebody or
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  Speaker 9: something approaching a crocodile on the side, it sweeps its
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  Speaker 9: tail and head into the same direction because it can't
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  Speaker 9: judge distance on the side. But if you in front
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  Speaker 9: of it, it knows exactly how far you're.
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  Speaker 3: Away from it, So can you punch it in the nose?
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  Speaker 9: If you come from behind, you can jump on it
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  Speaker 9: and try that.
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  Speaker 3: You tell me how that goes.
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  Speaker 2: And then I was told if it's chasing me, I
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  Speaker 2: must run in zigzags.
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  Speaker 9: Look as long as you are cuickd in fifteen kilometers
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  Speaker 9: an hour and a short pace of distance on leard
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  Speaker 9: you fun The.
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  Speaker 2: Trend will say, I'm an eight k's an hour.
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  Speaker 3: I'm dying.
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  Speaker 10: Work to do, and our estate is a nature state.
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  Speaker 10: There's a lot of snakes. Somebody spotted the python. I
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  Speaker 10: can tell you nobody ran or trained outside for two weeks.
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  Speaker 2: I agree with it at all. It's literally so cruel.
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  Speaker 2: But it's Springs. Oh what are you guys doing?
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  Speaker 6: They in the east in the eighth guys.
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  Speaker 10: I'm from Springs and I feel like this is a
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  Speaker 10: smear campaign against Springs.
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  Speaker 2: In the East.
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  Speaker 3: Well, come and defend yourself.
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  Speaker 2: Like I'm sorry, y'all got one too many lions in
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  Speaker 2: their Doctor Doolittle building. Noah's ark up there. The animals
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  Speaker 2: came in two by two, Hurrah, hurrah.
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  Speaker 3: Why is it always that side? Why is it always springs?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe that's another that's a question for another day. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: you can just tell us a voice board right now.
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  Speaker 2: Why is it always you guys?
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  Speaker 3: Is it? Are the houses bigger?
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  Speaker 1: There is there more space for to keep lions and crocodile.
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  Speaker 2: I once went jogging in Zimbali. You know Zimbali the estate. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: we rented a house for holiday and I went jogging
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  Speaker 2: and a python crossed the zebra crossing.
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  Speaker 3: Well, at least it's stuck to the rules.
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  Speaker 2: I just turned around and I have never been back
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  Speaker 2: to Zimbali. I we feel that there's this old Hey, guys,
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  Speaker 2: if you see me, you must kill me. I will
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  Speaker 2: never you will never see me a name in Mbali again.
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  Speaker 1: Because of that one incident, Yes, that one everywhere. I
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: don't want to write this to you that it's part
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  Speaker 1: of nature.
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: There's I haven't seen a python in danger.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure they Annie.
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  Speaker 2: In Rudebert's good morning, Good morning. How are you?
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  Speaker 7: Annie?
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  Speaker 2: You say you can answer the springs. Then your mom
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: grew up in springs. What's going on there?
• 15:49
  Speaker 7: Yes, springs doesn't surprise me, guys. My mom has pictures
• 15:53
  Speaker 7: of her and her pets, lion.
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  Speaker 2: A pet lion.
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  Speaker 3: She had a pet lion.
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  Speaker 7: My mom had a pick lion back in the seventies.
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  Speaker 2: And what was the lion's name, Usman Osman.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah. Wow, So no, there's a story. There's a legitimate story.
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  Speaker 7: So my grandfather worked for the parks and wrecked apartments back.
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  Speaker 3: In the day.
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  Speaker 7: But he was also a gigantic two means a tall human.
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  Speaker 7: So when there's two lionesses and an enclosure and the
• 16:22
  Speaker 7: one has cubs, they have to remove those cubs otherwise
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  Speaker 7: the other one kills them. Right, So he take the
• 16:29
  Speaker 7: cubs home and then hand rear them until they beg
• 16:32
  Speaker 7: enough to take back to the zoo. And he just
• 16:35
  Speaker 7: fell in love with the one cub and they kept
• 16:37
  Speaker 7: him so as the cubs came and went every year,
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  Speaker 7: they had tigers, baby tigers. At one stage that they
• 16:43
  Speaker 7: had Zurear, but they kept the one lion Men's and Bosman.
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  Speaker 7: And there's photos of my mom sitting on this gigantic
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  Speaker 7: lion pulling his name and his tail, and Grandma like
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  Speaker 7: playing with him, my uncle playing with him.
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  Speaker 6: So they had a pig lion.
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  Speaker 2: What happened in the end. What happened in the end
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  Speaker 2: with Boothman.
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  Speaker 7: Boothman got very sick and unfortunately they had to take
• 17:07
  Speaker 7: them to be put down.
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  Speaker 6: Like you would with your your dog. He just got old.
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  Speaker 2: And he doesn't say, like your dog, this is not
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: the same thing.
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  Speaker 7: Then.
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  Speaker 3: Spotty is not the same.
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  Speaker 1: Just quick a question and he here about So you're
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  Speaker 1: saying this was in the seventies, Yeah, so in Springs,
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  Speaker 1: it's a generational thing.
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  Speaker 7: Now, that's what I'm saying. Springs doesn't surprise me. I've
• 17:32
  Speaker 7: seen it. What evidence of springsous.
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  Speaker 2: Between me and you. No one's going to get arrested.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: You guys do realize that it was illegal to have
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: a lion in your backyard.
• 17:43
  Speaker 7: Right technically, because my grandpa worked for parks and Ricka.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: I thought it was okay.
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  Speaker 3: I wonder I mean, obviously it's illegal now.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: You can't keep exotic animals without dormit, have you, I
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: mean you got you don't have any exotic animals at
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: the moment, right Just.
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  Speaker 2: A husband, I know, yes, just my husband, Annie. Thank
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  Speaker 2: you so much. Zero eight four double zero double zero
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  Speaker 2: ninety four seven. I just need for people from Springs
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  Speaker 2: please explain yourself in one sentence. Why is it always you, guys?
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: Why is it always you? Mss Mary Jane Ramatord the
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: acting Chief Director of Compliance and Enforcement in the Couting
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: Department of Environment, which means the call came to her
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: department about these two crocodiles. Good morning, Welcome to Anne
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: La and the club, ma'am.
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  Speaker 6: Good morning an Ela, and good money to the listeners.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you for having us, no.
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  Speaker 2: No, thank you for giving us your time, because clearly
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: your hands are quite busy when you are dealing with
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: crocodiles in people's backyards. Who reported the crocodiles?
• 18:44
  Speaker 6: Annel? We received the report anonymously from one of the neighbors,
• 18:50
  Speaker 6: who is a consent member of the public. For reporting
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  Speaker 6: the alleged keeping of the two nile crocodiles within a
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: residential parties. You are correct, it was in Springs, and
• 19:04
  Speaker 6: we believe that they do not have the necessary pay
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  Speaker 6: needs to actually keep that. But first and foremost, we
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  Speaker 6: just need to sensitize the public that wild animals are
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  Speaker 6: not domestic pets. Whether it's a crocodile, a tiger, or
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: a monkey, those are not pets that we'll just keep
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  Speaker 6: the allots that are in place to protect both the
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  Speaker 6: people as well as the wildlife.
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  Speaker 1: And I just want to find out this So you
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  Speaker 1: said was residential, So it was it like houses next
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: were the neighbors, proper neighbors next to next to the
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  Speaker 1: south it was.
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: Proper neighbors next to the house.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, and we are the crocodiles.
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  Speaker 6: Now, the crocodile had to be removed and relocated to
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  Speaker 6: a suitable, accredited facility where they can be taken care of. Remember,
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: you know, wildlife is supposed to remain in the wild,
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  Speaker 6: so if it's kept in the residential area, when we
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: confiscate them, we need to take them to rehabilitation centers
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  Speaker 6: where they can now be rehabilitated so that they can
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: be able to go back to the natural state, which
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: is something that does not normally okay, because you can
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  Speaker 6: imagine that those crocodiles were probably probably taken to that
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  Speaker 6: property at a very early age and they got adapted
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  Speaker 6: to this kind of you know environment. For us to
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: rehabilitate them, it will take a while, and therefore we
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: retain them with the accredited rehabilitation centers where they can
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: be taken care of.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: And what will happen to the owners, the guys who
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: owned the house or the crocodiles were found.
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: The case has been registered with SAPs for them to
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: keep these animals. It is still under investigation, so they
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: will be facing the charges in terms of their biosity legislation.
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: Depending on the court, they might be eligible to a
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  Speaker 6: fine that is not to make the amount of ten
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  Speaker 6: million rand or even imprisonment of ten years, or both
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: the fine and imprisonment. So it will depend on how
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  Speaker 6: the court sees this metter.
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  Speaker 3: And just for.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone listening, because obviously we're talking big animals. Yes, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you see a crocodile, you know that thing doesn't belong here,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: But a lot of people keep smaller animals as exotic pets.
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  Speaker 1: Are those allowed Which ones are allowed, which ones are
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  Speaker 1: not allowed.
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  Speaker 3: What do you need permits for, et cetera.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, in South Africa is indicated we have legislations that
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: bands some of the keeping of of animals, your crocodiles,
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  Speaker 6: your monkey. We have what we call savout caracal snakes,
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: certain snakes and certain baits are not allowed to be
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  Speaker 6: kept without any pen So we have a list of
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: indigenous species that are listed in terms of this Betabid
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  Speaker 6: City ext They are considered as createain species, so you
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  Speaker 6: do not have to you know, keep it without having
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  Speaker 6: a permit from any of the relevant authorities. If you
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  Speaker 6: go to your pet shops, they will have your rebits
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  Speaker 6: which is allowed to keep. There are some certain bit
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  Speaker 6: species that you can find in your pet shop that
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: you can be able to keep. Certain snakes that you
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: can keep, but not all the wildlife. It's paid for
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  Speaker 6: for domestic keeping. There are those that are listed in
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  Speaker 6: terms of the legislation that you require a permit from
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  Speaker 6: the relevant authority for you to keep. And the reason
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: you need this permit, an LA team is that you
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  Speaker 6: know there are stricter you know waste in terms of
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: how you have to keep those animals. For example, the
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: crocodiles were kept in a pool that is extrictly no. No,
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: there should be a certain way that those crocodiles are
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: kept and the pery med will provide you with the
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  Speaker 6: conditions and the instructions in terms of how you have
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: to keep those animals.
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  Speaker 2: Miss Mary Jane Ramatory, Acting Chief Direct Self Compliance and
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  Speaker 2: Enforcement in the Housing Department of Environment, Thank you so
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  Speaker 2: much for your time. You've definitely shed some lights on
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: some dark areas that we had. The pool, did it
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  Speaker 2: have chlorine?
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: No, it's a splash pool. It's a little pool. It's
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: a little pool. It's like a little splash pool. Obviously
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: they wouldn't put chlorine in it. It's not good for them.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: The people have visitors over and when you invite your friends,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: you say, hey, hits up. Usually people will say, hey,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: by the way, I'm having a bride my house. I
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: have dogs. Is that something that you lead to with Hey, guys,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: there's the bride my house, I have crocodiles.
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  Speaker 3: This whole thing is so wild. I don't think there's
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: a do you.
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  Speaker 2: Have like a crocodile snakes, crocodile skin bag in your house?
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Is that not going to aggravate your pains, I just
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  Speaker 2: have questions. Back to making your mourning and on nine
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  Speaker 2: four seven