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The Late Debate | 28 October · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Lately, General man, welcome late pay.
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  Speaker 2: Well, good evening and thanks for your company.
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  Speaker 3: I'm James Macpherson with Liz Staurer and Caleb Bond coming up.
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  Speaker 3: A police officer found guilty of misconduct for stealing wait
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  Speaker 3: for it, a.
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  Speaker 2: Roll of toilet paper.
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  Speaker 3: No crime problems when that's the sort of thing police
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  Speaker 3: are investigating. We'll get to that a little later. Plus
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  Speaker 3: when we look at what's making news in the papers.
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  Speaker 3: The Prime Minister's relationship with Quantus continues to be examined
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  Speaker 3: after it's revealed he received more than two dozen flight
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  Speaker 3: upgrades and new South Wales teachers to get a massive
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  Speaker 3: pay rise in the nation's most generous deal for educators.
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  Speaker 3: We'll get to that when we look at the papers.
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  Speaker 3: But we want to start tonight with a story that
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  Speaker 3: is just quite astonishing from Victoria, which, let's face it
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  Speaker 3: is where most astonishing stories come from these days. Magistrates
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  Speaker 3: in Victoria have been trained how to avoid imposing sentences
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  Speaker 3: that would result in pedophiles, drug trackers and violent criminals
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  Speaker 3: being deported from Australia now. Judicial officials confirmed this training
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  Speaker 3: took place last Thursday, and people present said magistrates were
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  Speaker 3: being taught how to make sure that when they are
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  Speaker 3: sentencing non citizens, those sentences don't trigger deportation under immigration law. Unbelievably,
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  Speaker 3: those who were present said, this is one of the
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  Speaker 3: examples that was given to Victorian magistrates. They were told,
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  Speaker 3: imagine you've got or I don't know, a Vietnamese student
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  Speaker 3: here on a student visa who sexually assaults repeatedly an
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  Speaker 3: eight year old child. Now, magistrates were told, if you
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  Speaker 3: sentence that pedophile to twelve months jail or more, you
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  Speaker 3: leave open the possibility that that person could be deported
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  Speaker 3: from the country, and we don't want that, so you
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  Speaker 3: should sentence them to eleven months and fifteen days imprisonment,
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  Speaker 3: that way safeguarding the offender from ever being deported from Australia.
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  Speaker 3: Magistrates were also told they should never jail drug traffickers
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  Speaker 3: so that they won't be deported.
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  Speaker 2: Now this sounds so outlandish.
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  Speaker 3: The Herald's son went to judicial officials and said, is
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  Speaker 3: this all correct? The officials wouldn't confirm specific details, but
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  Speaker 3: they didn't deny them either. Instead, they released this statement.
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  Speaker 3: A Professional Development Day for judicial offices of the Magistrate's
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  Speaker 3: Court was held on Thursday twenty four October, which included
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  Speaker 3: presentations for a number of speakers on areas of the
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  Speaker 3: law relevant to the work of the court. The focus
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  Speaker 3: of the day was sentencing. The law treats deportation as
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  Speaker 3: a relevant circumstance for the purposes of sentencing capabiliz. I
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  Speaker 3: would have thought, if you're a convicted pedophile, the luckiest
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  Speaker 3: thing that could happen to you is that you are
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  Speaker 3: booted out of the country. But here you've got sentencing
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  Speaker 3: not being based on the crime, but being based on
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  Speaker 3: how the sentence might affect the poor criminal. I thought
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  Speaker 3: the criminal justice system was meant to support victims, not criminals.
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  Speaker 4: Well, supposedly, we mean to be all e under the law,
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  Speaker 4: and what we're talking about here is that magistrates are
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  Speaker 4: being lectured and judges are being lectured on the application
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  Speaker 4: of the law on the basis of what your nationality is.
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  Speaker 1: So if you're likely to be removed.
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  Speaker 4: From this country because you're not actually a citizen of
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  Speaker 4: the country, and you've committed crimes while you are here,
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  Speaker 4: well you should be allowed to stay, which in effect
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  Speaker 4: means that if you are weighing up a sentence for
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  Speaker 4: someone who is an Australian citizen and a sentence for
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  Speaker 4: someone who is not an Australian citizen. You are being
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  Speaker 4: advised to give a more lenient sentence to someone who
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  Speaker 4: hasn't actually said yes, I'm an Australian. Try to make
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  Speaker 4: it make sense. We don't have a justice system. In
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  Speaker 4: many cases, we have a legal system, and I understand
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  Speaker 4: why you cannot put the application of justice in the
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  Speaker 4: hands of victims, because of course victims would always give
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  Speaker 4: everyone the most heinous sort of sentence possible.
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  Speaker 1: I understand all of that.
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  Speaker 4: But when we are talking about people who have committed
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  Speaker 4: crimes in this country and they're not actually a citizen
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  Speaker 4: of this country, we have every right and should, in
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  Speaker 4: every circumstance, use every opportunity to kick them out, particularly
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  Speaker 4: crimes like pedophilia. And plenty of people who work in
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  Speaker 4: criminal psychology can tell you that pedophiles cannot be reformed.
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  Speaker 1: They are always at risk of reoffending.
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  Speaker 4: And if you have the opportunity to kick one of
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  Speaker 4: those people out of the country, you should damn well
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  Speaker 4: take it. Who the hell thinks they can go in
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  Speaker 4: and lecture magistrates and judges about the application of the
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  Speaker 4: law on the basis of whether you are not a citizen.
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  Speaker 4: It is a disgrace and I hope every single person
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  Speaker 4: in that room dismisses that advice out of hand because
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  Speaker 4: it is outrageous.
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  Speaker 5: And it flies in the face of judicial independence.
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  Speaker 6: On day one of.
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  Speaker 5: My studies for a juris doctor, you said this was
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  Speaker 5: drummed into us judicial independence.
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  Speaker 6: You're meant to be getting advice like this.
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  Speaker 5: From some sort of magistrates get together, especially such keeness
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  Speaker 5: advice like this. Who among us would not want a
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  Speaker 5: non citizen the second they are sentenced, they are convicted
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  Speaker 5: of molesting a child here in Australia, Who among us
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  Speaker 5: wouldn't want them deported immediately? You are here as a
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  Speaker 5: massive privilege. We extend this to you.
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  Speaker 6: You commit such.
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  Speaker 5: A disgusting crime in our country and our judges are
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  Speaker 5: told to let you slide. Hair raisingly, the latest figures
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  Speaker 5: from federal data shows that over the last five years,
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  Speaker 5: the number of visa cancelations due to child sex offenses dropped.
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  Speaker 6: From one hundred and four to just twenty seven.
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  Speaker 5: Now, have they just stopped molesting children or is it
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  Speaker 5: because of advice life this which has only just been exposed,
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  Speaker 5: But God only knows how long this has been The
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  Speaker 5: current flowing underneath the sentences that haven't been given over
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  Speaker 5: the last five years.
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  Speaker 6: It is utterly disgusting.
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  Speaker 5: And what we now need to know is who is
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  Speaker 5: behind this, Who is handing down this advice, Who is
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  Speaker 5: pushing this evil, evil advice on our own magistrates, whose
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  Speaker 5: job it is to uphold the laws of the land,
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  Speaker 5: our land and make sure that proper sentences, proper justice
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  Speaker 5: is meeted out to non citizens molesting Australian children.
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  Speaker 6: Is that asking for too much?
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  Speaker 1: Well, it ought not be.
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  Speaker 4: And the suggestion as well that you should give more
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  Speaker 4: lenient sentence to drug traffickers so that they don't I mean,
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  Speaker 4: you know, it is by design almost saying well, the
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  Speaker 4: law hasn't been changed to be as liberal as we
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  Speaker 4: would like it to be, so we are asking you who.
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  Speaker 6: Applies liberal in the first place. That is the crux
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  Speaker 6: of the question.
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  Speaker 5: Correct, nobody's answering just yet, But someone needs to get
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  Speaker 5: hold of this and not unclench the jaw until we
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  Speaker 5: have answers as to where did this come from and why,
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  Speaker 5: because what you're essentially saying is we want to keep
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  Speaker 5: immigrants here who sexually molest children.
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  Speaker 6: That's not even an exaggeration.
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  Speaker 5: That is a statement, a synopsis of exactly what's going.
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  Speaker 2: On, And that's the most shocking part.
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  Speaker 3: It's bad enough that they're saying treat non citizens more
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  Speaker 3: leniently than citizens.
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  Speaker 2: That should be an immediate no.
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  Speaker 3: But the fact that they went so far as to
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  Speaker 3: give an example of a sexual predator repeatedly sexually abusing
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  Speaker 3: an eight year old and say you need to work
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  Speaker 3: it so that this person is allowed to stay in
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  Speaker 3: the country just shows how confident they are that they
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  Speaker 3: have the judicial system in their grip and they can
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  Speaker 3: get away with this, or they're not even trying to
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  Speaker 3: hide it or to tend the sinister nature of what
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  Speaker 3: they're proposing.
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  Speaker 4: Now, if you wonder why there is this disconnect between
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  Speaker 4: the judiciary and the rest of us, it's because this
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  Speaker 4: is what they're being told to do.
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  Speaker 1: Now. Look, I don't know about you.
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  Speaker 4: I kind of figure when you go to work at
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  Speaker 4: the start of the day and you leave at the
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  Speaker 4: end of the day, you ought to be judged on
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  Speaker 4: the work you did during those hours. Are you actually
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  Speaker 4: able to do your job properly?
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  Speaker 7: Now?
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  Speaker 4: Of course, in my line of work and our line
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  Speaker 4: of work, Liz and James, etc. We deal in opinion, right,
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  Speaker 4: so you're expecting me to say some things that may
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  Speaker 4: be controversial or may spark your mind to think about
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  Speaker 4: certain issues. But to Mansion, you're running a mining company Fortescue,
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  Speaker 4: for instance. In this example, you would think the most
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  Speaker 4: important thing is that you rock up to work every
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  Speaker 4: day as CEO or co CEO in this case, that
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  Speaker 4: you can run Fortescue effectively, in this case the energy
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  Speaker 4: operations of Fortescue, and you can deliver a good dividend
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  Speaker 4: for your shareholders.
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  Speaker 1: You'd think that would be the number one issue on
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  Speaker 1: your mind. Apparently not, though, because it has come to
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  Speaker 1: like that.
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  Speaker 4: One of the co CEOs of Fortescue, Mark Hutchinson, as
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  Speaker 4: i said before, he's in charge of the energy division,
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  Speaker 4: recently became a few years ago became a director of
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  Speaker 4: an outfit called Alpha International.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 4: Alpha International is basically an evangelical education outfit. They run
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  Speaker 4: seminars all over the world educating people on the Christian doctrine.
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  Speaker 4: If you're interested in Christianity, you can go to a
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  Speaker 4: church in Australia, in England, in the US, in hundreds
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  Speaker 4: of nations across the world and learn about the scripture,
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  Speaker 4: learn about the doctrine of Christianity. It preaches pretty mainstream
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  Speaker 4: stuff from the Bible. But of course we know these
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  Speaker 4: days that if you are a Christian, you come under attack,
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  Speaker 4: and that is exactly what has happened to mister Hutchinson
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  Speaker 4: because the AFAR reported last week about the fact that
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  Speaker 4: him and his wife had become directors of Alpha International.
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  Speaker 4: We at Fordescue were most upset with that and marched
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  Speaker 4: off to Twiggy Forest, who owns Fortesque, to.
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  Speaker 1: Say, what are you doing about this?
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  Speaker 4: How could we possibly have a CEO who I don't
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  Speaker 4: know believes in Christian beliefs in his spare time, as
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  Speaker 4: though it had something to do with him running the company.
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  Speaker 4: And of course Twiggy Forests went straight to water.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't he.
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  Speaker 4: And he issued this statement over the weekend to staff
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  Speaker 4: saying I understand and acknowledge exactly what you felt, and
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  Speaker 4: I thank you for bringing it to me. He said
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  Speaker 4: in this note to stuff, I would like to reassure
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  Speaker 4: you on behalf of our board, that we are resolutely
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  Speaker 4: committed to the cause of equal rights. We expect and
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  Speaker 4: require the same of our leadership. We deeply value Fordesqu's
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  Speaker 4: LGBTQIA plus community. At a personal level, I stand with
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  Speaker 4: you now. Fordesque as a company has been quite forthcoming
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  Speaker 4: and outwardly proud of the fact that it supports the
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  Speaker 4: LGBTIQA plus community. They've even gone so far as to
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  Speaker 4: paint up some of their trucks in rainbow colors. And
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  Speaker 4: there's no suggestion that mister Hutchinson has at any point
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  Speaker 4: stopped this from happening. But he still comes under attack
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  Speaker 4: for what he does in his personal time, so he then,
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  Speaker 4: of course is expected to issue an apology, which he
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  Speaker 4: dutifully did. He said, after speaking with some of you
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  Speaker 4: over the past few days, I'm aware that by failing
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  Speaker 4: to clarify my views on same sex relationships in my
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  Speaker 4: comments last week, that I have.
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  Speaker 1: Let you down.
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  Speaker 4: This was certainly not my intention, and I apologize unreservedly.
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  Speaker 4: I wish to stay clearly that I am supportive of
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  Speaker 4: everyone in a same sex marriage and same sex relationships
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  Speaker 4: and value the LGBTQIA plus community. I believe that all
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  Speaker 4: of us are recall and I accept and support every.
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  Speaker 1: Member of our team.
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  Speaker 4: No one knew otherwise, no one had ever said otherwise.
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  Speaker 4: There was no suggestion that mister Hutchinson in his role
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  Speaker 4: as CEO of Fortescue, had ever done anything to make
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  Speaker 4: any LGBTQUIA plus member of Fortescue's staff feel uncomfortable. But
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  Speaker 4: it comes to light that in his personal time he
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  Speaker 4: is the director of a Christian organization and suddenly that
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  Speaker 4: has some.
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  Speaker 1: Bearing on his running of a mining company.
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  Speaker 4: We see this time and again we sort with Andrew
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  Speaker 4: Thorburn at Essendon Football Club, where your personal religious beliefs,
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  Speaker 4: which have no bearing whatsoever on your day to day job,
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  Speaker 4: somehow becomes an issue and it is nothing other than bigotry.
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  Speaker 1: You're well within your rights to disagree with the CEO's
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  Speaker 1: religious views.
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  Speaker 4: But unless he's coming to work and saying you can't
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  Speaker 4: work in this company here because you.
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  Speaker 1: Are this or you are that, what bearing does it
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  Speaker 1: have with his job?
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  Speaker 6: This is a total witch hunt. This is a complete
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  Speaker 6: and other winch hunt as.
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  Speaker 5: It was with Thorburn what was it eighteen months ago?
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  Speaker 5: Now the LGBTI community obviously not the whole community, but
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  Speaker 5: there is genuinely some nun rusty people in there who
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  Speaker 5: headhunt people like Hutchison and deliberately.
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  Speaker 1: Go after him.
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  Speaker 5: What is there to gain from this other than another
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  Speaker 5: scalp on their wall.
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  Speaker 6: This is why they do it.
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  Speaker 5: They want to see you bow the knee to their
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  Speaker 5: agenda instead of upholding your own beliefs. Now, Mark Hutchison
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  Speaker 5: has obviously done this with a gun held to his head.
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  Speaker 5: He has to do it otherwise, arguably he wouldn't have
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  Speaker 5: got to keep his position.
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  Speaker 6: So he's done what's asked of him.
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  Speaker 5: But following this line of argument from those activists within
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  Speaker 5: the LGBTQ community, who goes after people like him? Following
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  Speaker 5: that line of argument, then no company whoever flies a
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  Speaker 5: rainbow flag should be employing, especially not in leadership positions,
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  Speaker 5: any Christian, any Catholic, any Muslim individual, because you know
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  Speaker 5: what we believe, and like I keep saying, this comes up,
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  Speaker 5: there's billions of us worldwide. We're not changing what we
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  Speaker 5: believe for you. We answer to a much higher power.
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  Speaker 6: Sorry, not sorry. And this kind of witch.
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  Speaker 5: Hunt is they're only emboldened when they see people folds
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  Speaker 5: like this.
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  Speaker 6: It's very unfortunate that this is.
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  Speaker 5: The site society we're now living in where it's this
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  Speaker 5: easy to topple someone. Oh, this guy is a Christian,
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  Speaker 5: that means he holds Christian beliefs.
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  Speaker 6: That means we're targeted. You're not targeted.
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  Speaker 5: You didn't even know until some nasty found this out
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  Speaker 5: and decided to take him down. It's utterly disgusting. And
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  Speaker 5: notice this is always a one way street. It's never
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  Speaker 5: the Christians being like, oh, there's some people in the
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  Speaker 5: OLGBTI community working in my company.
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  Speaker 2: They've got to go.
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  Speaker 6: No.
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  Speaker 5: We much like the Muslims, just like the Catholics, we
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  Speaker 5: just want to be left the heck alone.
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  Speaker 6: Okay. We get to think, to believe what we want
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  Speaker 6: to believe, and there's nothing you can do about it.
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  Speaker 6: No matter how many.
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  Speaker 5: Scalps you get, whether it's Margaret Court Andrew Thorburn, it
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  Speaker 5: doesn't achieve anything.
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  Speaker 6: You can't change thousands of years of Orthodoxy period.
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  Speaker 3: Wellman Andrew Forrest said that they're committed to LGBTQ right,
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  Speaker 3: So I would just like to ask whose rights have
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  Speaker 3: been violated by mister Hutchinson's beliefs. FORDESQ say they're committed
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  Speaker 3: to diversity, especially sexual diversity. Fine, but they also say
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  Speaker 3: they encourage people of diverse faiths to be part of
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  Speaker 3: the company. Well, it's very difficult to have both of those.
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  Speaker 3: If acceptance equals agreement. And that's the problem. We say,
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  Speaker 3: you've got to accept everybody, But for me to accept
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  Speaker 3: you means I have to agree with you. That's actually
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  Speaker 3: not acceptance because I don't need to accept you if
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  Speaker 3: I agree with you, it's a given. The reason I
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  Speaker 3: accept you, and the reason it's kind is because I
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  Speaker 3: disagree fundamentally with you. But despite differences, I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: treat you with dignity. I'm going to value you, I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to befriend you. I'm going to be kind to
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  Speaker 3: you and respectful despite the fact we differ. So acceptance
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  Speaker 3: can't be based on agreement. Otherwise acceptance becomes meaningless. And
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  Speaker 3: I think that's the problem here. Well, you don't accept
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  Speaker 3: me because you don't agree with me. No, No, I
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  Speaker 3: accept you because I disagree with you.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I.
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  Speaker 3: Accept you, because I'm not going to hold our disagreement
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  Speaker 3: against you. And the sooner we get that straight, the
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  Speaker 3: sooner we can live in peace rather than people demanding well,
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  Speaker 3: if you don't believe what I believe, you're not accepting me.
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  Speaker 3: Therefore you're somehow less of a human being as.
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  Speaker 5: Truly, it's so easily flipped and just be like, excuse me,
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  Speaker 5: you're the one going after that.
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  Speaker 2: Job, right exactly.
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  Speaker 4: But it's the you raise the religious diversity thing here,
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  Speaker 4: and this is what is the most annoying about it,
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  Speaker 4: because of course Christians are an easy target because they
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  Speaker 4: are the majority religion in Australia, right, so they feel
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  Speaker 4: comfortable going after Christians.
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  Speaker 1: This does not happen to Muslims.
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  Speaker 4: And I'll use the example of in the NRL when
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  Speaker 4: a number of Pacific Islander Christian men who were playing
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  Speaker 4: further Manly c Eagles said that they didn't want to
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  Speaker 4: play in a pride jersey and oh it was a hullaballoo.
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  Speaker 1: How dare they do that? That's awful.
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  Speaker 4: Now there is a woman who plays in the afl
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  Speaker 4: W for GWS, a Muslim woman, and she has for
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  Speaker 4: a number of years now sat out the afl w's
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  Speaker 4: Pride round because she feels uncomfortable putting on a pride
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  Speaker 4: jersey when she does it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's fine. You're allowed to admits your religious beliefs, but.
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  Speaker 4: When a Christian does it, you can't possibly do that
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  Speaker 4: because that's bigotry. We took about diversity like it's the
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  Speaker 4: ultimate lack of diversity in these circumstances because we're saying
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  Speaker 4: your view's okay and your view.
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  Speaker 3: Isn't exactly well, I'll tell you a view that I
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  Speaker 3: think is not okay, and that's the view of the Iranian.
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  Speaker 3: Iranian ambassador to Australia. I'm wondering why he's still here.
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  Speaker 3: A month ago, he referred to the now deceased leader
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  Speaker 3: of Hezbala Hassan Masrala, a remarkable leader and as a martyr.
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  Speaker 3: This is a man who's responsible for car bombings, for
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  Speaker 3: hostage taking, for bombings of embassies around the world, and
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  Speaker 3: yet the Iranian ambassador in this country describes him as heroic.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: That he was brought in by the Alberenezi government, given
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: addressing down and then sent back to his plush officers in.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Canberra, but he hasn't learned his lesson.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: Over the weekend, he referred to Israel's strikes on Iran
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: as a terrorist act. He said this on x the
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: lawless Zionist enemy launched a terrorist attack on the sacred
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: territory of the Islamic Republic of Iran in a clear
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: violation of national sovereignty and international law. He went on
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: to say, in defending Iran's security for brave officers and
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: soldiers of the Iranian Army were martyred while countering the
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: aggressors attacks. These honored martyrs are eternally remembered by the
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: Iranian people. May their memory be cherished and their path followed. Now,
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: back in August of this year, he referred to the
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: Israeli state as a Zionist plague that needed to be
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: wiped from the earth, which he described as a heavenly
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: and divine promise. So clearly he's invoking religion to inspire
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: people to wage war against the Jewish state until it
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: is completely arraised, and the Albanezy government has seen fit
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: to allow him to remain as the Irani ambassador here
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: in Canberra. I just don't know why he's not removed now.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: Of course he's just parroting what Iranians believe. But Petty
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Wong has said that if you support Hezballah, you are
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: a danger not just to social cohesion but to the
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: safety of people. So why is the ambassador who promotes
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: a terrorist regime allowed to remain. His job is to
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: speak on behalf of one government to the other, not
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: to make public pronouncements which then get into the civil dialogue.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: We've got enough social problems at the moment without the
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: Iranian ambassador sitting in Canberra firing miss stirring things up.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Liz.
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: Much like I.
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: Said when we were having a very similar conversation about
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: the fact that he was mourning israela Hassan Israla, I
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: simply made the point of here we are taking umbridge
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: with an Iranian being Iranian at such a time as this.
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: I genuinely it boggles me when.
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: We in the West hear me out, We in the
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: West don't seem to understand that those in the Middle
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: East genuinely see US.
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: As the terrorists.
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: And unfortunately it's not baseless if you look at what
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: we've done to Syria, Libya.
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: Iraq, Afghanistan.
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: These guys see US as the terrorists, as Israel as
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: the US's proxy state, which again I mean the US
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: is given more foreign aid to Israel than any other
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: country under the Sun, over three hundred and ten billion dollars.
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: So they they are speaking about us as they truly
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: see us. And we knew this.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: They're rock and we said, but they're.
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: Wrong, no, no, no, hear me out.
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: We knew this when we said let's be buddies to
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: the extent that we have an Australian ambassador in your
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: country who recently got called in by their government because
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: he expressed support for the LGBTQ community and you.
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: Can't do that in Iran. What the heck was he thinking.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: He should come back from Iran and walk for Fortescue?
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Why not?
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: But there you go.
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: We are the ones who know exactly what the Iranian
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: regimes stand for.
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: We have an ambassador here and we expect him to
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: behave in what a non supportive way you have an
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: Iranian being Iranian.
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: I remember was a month ago we showed he was
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: on the Bolt Report this video of the Iranian parliament
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: standing to its feet and literally chanting like this.
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: They hate America. Death to America, Death to America.
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: And I was sat there thinking, might the only Westerner
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: with enough knowledge of the Middle East and our activities
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: just within my lifetime to be like, yeah, I would
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: too if you are Iranians, if your Irates.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: Plenty of Iranians who hate the Islamic regime. Australian Iranians
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: are outraged at what the ambassador here is allowed to
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: say because they can't stand the Islamic ragiing. So when
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: you say that's how Iranians think, that's not how Iranians think.
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: That's how oh yeah, ninety million Iranians back home, not
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: Australian there arraging.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: Let's too at a cartoon that was in the Age
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: and the City Morning Herald over the weekend. Now, if
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: you haven't already seen it, will show it to you
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: here and I'm sure you'll be pretty quickly be able
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: to work out what is wrong with it. It was
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: by a cartoonist, Alan Moyer. He has drawn for the
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: Nine Papers formerly the Fairfax Papers for a very long time.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: And you can see underneath the heading there between the
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: idea and the reality lies the shadows, which shows the
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: shadow of Benjamin Nettan Yahu and a representative from Hamas
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: standing side by, say, under a joint shadow. Now in
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: that bottom left hand corner you can see an Israeli
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: flag that has a five pointed star of David, of
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: course instead of six. Now that also happens to be
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: Satan's five pointed pentagram, which has led many people to say,
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: hang on a minute, is this not anti Semitic? How
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: did it make it into the paper in the first place.
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: You contrast that with the Palestinian flag, which is drawn correctly. Well,
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: Lo and behold, the same newspapers that published this cartoon
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: have now apologized and pulped it and removed it from
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: the record and said we're very sorry, we made a mistake.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: I find it so funny every time these things happen.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: You know, you publish a piece, or you publish a cartoon,
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: it goes through.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Having worked in newspapers.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: I know how many sets of eyes these things go past.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: And at no point in that did anyone go hmm,
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: there might be a small issue here.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: But later on someone points it out and.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: Says, excuse me, what do you think you're doing, And
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: all of a sudden, oh, we're so sorry.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: We shouldn't have done that. Well, why did you do
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: it in the first place?
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Unintentional era, There was a lot of effort that went
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: to to produce that unintentional error, and there was a
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: number of mistakes there. They essentially made some sort of
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: equivalence between Hamas and Israel in the drawing net, Yahoo
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: is the larger figure, implying Israel more responsible. Not only
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: did they put the Satanic star on the Israeli flag
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: rather than the Star of David. They couldn't even spell
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: Benjamin Netanyah, Who's name correctly in the cartoon. So there's
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: so many problems with this cartoon, the fact that it
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: was drawn, the fact that it got through sub editors,
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: and then of course it's a you know, an unintentional error.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: As you say, it's always one way. I'm just wondering
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: whether the Press Council will follow this one up. Remember
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: a guy called Bill Leek who got absolutely hounded by
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: the Press Council for a cartoon that was depicting Indigenous
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: people in a way that some did not like.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Will anyone do anything about this?
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: I absolutely doubt that the Jewish community will get really upset.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: The Press Council will shrug their shoulders and it will
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: be play on as if it never happened.
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: The same with Lunic.
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: Remember he had a very well it was said to
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: be very controversial during the COVID days because he was
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: taking on the government in this.
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: Instance, and he was fired. That was the Sydney Morning Herald.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they cut him down to once a
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: week or something, right, So it's like so on one
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: hand that oh, we couldn't possibly have questioning of the
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: government in our cartoons, But they're quite happy to publish
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: a cartoon like that. I just don't buy the apology
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: in it. And it's so often the case they're more
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: than happy to publish stuff that he's clearly provocative and
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: in this case creates a cartoonist.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Well, then if you're going to do that, don't go
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: to water over. You got to back yourself in.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: And here's the other thing.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: If you want to be provocative, when was the last
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: time you saw a cartoon in the city Morning Hell
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: in the Age that depicted Mohammed or Muslims in a satirically.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: We're all very well aware of Charlie hebdo and that's why.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: And that's another point of hypocrisy. If you're going to
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: be brave as a cartoonist, then be brave. But you're
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: not being brave by picking on the Jewish community. That's
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: just weakened cowardly. Well, let's go to America, Liz tell
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: us about the Trump relic, because I just stole your thunder,
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: but I don't want to go ahead, drew my breath in.
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: To be like and now and he was charging straight.
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: Thanks Max, Thanks to America.
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: Now where a gosh, that election is happening very soon,
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: and they have had a packed out rally in Madison
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: Square Gardens for the Trump campaign. Check out the extent
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: of this crowd that you're about to see, absolutely packed house.
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: The what do you call it?
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Environment stadium?
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: It was absolutely electric. I watched most of it. You
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: had to be there.
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: But you wouldn't believe how MSNBC decided to depict this rally.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: You see it there on your screen.
• 27:16
  Speaker 8: In that place is particularly chilling because in nineteen thirty nine,
• 27:22
  Speaker 8: more than twenty thousand supporters of a different fascist leader,
• 27:25
  Speaker 8: Adolf Hitler, packed the garden for a so called pro
• 27:29
  Speaker 8: America rally, a rally where speakers voiced anti Semitic rhetoric
• 27:33
  Speaker 8: from a stage draped with Nazi banners. Against that backdrop
• 27:37
  Speaker 8: of history. Donald Trump, the man who was threatened to
• 27:41
  Speaker 8: use the military against opponents he calls enemies from within,
• 27:45
  Speaker 8: who has threatened to use the troops to quell what
• 27:48
  Speaker 8: he says are lawless cities, and to use those troops
• 27:52
  Speaker 8: to carry out mass deportations of immigrants.
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: Can you believe the hysteria?
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Back in the day, the same venue was
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: used by get what he said there a different fascist
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: leader Hitler, of all people. Well, this has to be
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: the weirdest fascist rally this time round, because Jews seem
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: to be attending in abundance and having.
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: A great time. You would remember last week where fired chief.
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: Of staff mister Kelly had gone on air to tell
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: people that when he was working for Trump, Trump once
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: said that Hitler did good things too.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: The Kamala campaign ran with this, literally standing behind podiums.
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: Addressing the nation being like.
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: This guy upholds Hitler, he is Hitler, he is twenty
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: twenty four's version of Hitler. He must be stopped at
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: all costs. Well, Holocaust survivor his name's Jerry Wartski has
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: taken to his own cameras to tell the truth of
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: this matter and to say I'm throwing my weight behind Trump.
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: Don't you dare be saying.
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: Such outrageous nonsense. I live through what you're talking about.
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: There is absolutely no comparison.
• 29:21
  Speaker 9: Adolf Hitler invaded Poland when I was nine years old.
• 29:27
  Speaker 9: He murdered my parents and most of our family. I
• 29:30
  Speaker 9: know more about Headler than kamalaver No in a thousand
• 29:35
  Speaker 9: lifetimes for her to accuse President Trump of being like
• 29:40
  Speaker 9: Hitler is the worst thing I ever heard in my
• 29:47
  Speaker 9: seventy five years. He is living in the United States.
• 29:51
  Speaker 9: I know President Trump and he would never say this.
• 29:55
  Speaker 9: And Kamala hard His knows that she owns my parents
• 29:59
  Speaker 9: have the else who was murdered by Hitler in apology
• 30:03
  Speaker 9: for repeating the sleigh.
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: Well, said Jerry Wartski, this is something that we're not
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: talking about enough in the media. How obviously we've talked
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: about how this is very inflammatory. You're basically begging for
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: somebody else to try and assassinate today's Hitler.
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: Who wouldn't kill Hitler back in the day if they
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: were given a chance, etc. And so on.
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: But not enough people are speaking from this extremely powerful
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: perspective and saying by equivocating Trump and Hitler, you are
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: completely belittling what we lived through. By saying, oh, this
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: is today's modern version, He's going to do the same.
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: This is utter nonsense.
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: I lived through that traumatic time in history, and you
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: want to equivocate with Trump.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: I just I can't get over taking a location and
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: saying that because Trump had a rally in the same
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: location as a Nazi rally eighty five years ago, that's
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: how desperate that there is somehow a connection between the two.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: I mean, and look, look, let me say that the
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: Labor Party in Australia was once upon a time the
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: party of the wide Australia policy. Do we run around
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: now saying that the Labor Party is the party of
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: the wide Australia policy because you know, some eighty odd
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: years ago. That's no, of course we don't, because it's
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: damn well moved on to take a location, I mean,
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: for him and sake, who knows the land that I
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: had a coffee on today, Someone once upon a time
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: probably sat at that table and said something thoroughly outrageous. Well,
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: perhaps I should be banned from ever coming on television
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: again because I sat at the same table as someone
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: who said something that was outrageous.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Like that is how.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: Desperate they are at this point to find anything to
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: get Trump with and with a straight face. Although we
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: didn't actually see the face of the MSNBC presenter in
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: that package, and thank god, because I can't believe that
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: he would have been able to say that with a
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: straight face, but to say that so earnestly as though
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: Trump is literally hitler because he had eighty five years
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: later in the same place as there was a Nazi rally.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, I give it, but it's even worse than that,
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: because it wasn't just MSNBC Tim Waltz, Kamala Harris's running mate,
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: he said the exact same thing and repeated the same
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: accusation Square Garden Rally eighty five years ago, he did
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: the same thing to your point about how disrespectful this is,
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: and it's dangerous on a number of levels.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: We've seen this with racism.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: When you call everything racism, then nothing is racism, and
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: when you get actual racism, you can no longer define
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: it right. When everything is Hitler, and when everyone's a Nazi,
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: then when you get actual Nazis, and you get actual
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: far right people who are going to do terrible things,
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: then it's just we've heard this so many times it
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: becomes for us cried books.
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: It's like, oh, are they really because you're called Trump Hitler.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: Sat and then you mentioned you know, we've already had
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: two two and a half assassination attempts. If Trump is Hitler,
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: well there's only a few days left to remove Hitler
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: from the scene. And if that's a Nazi rally, then
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: all the people there in support of Trump. By definition,
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: are Nazis?
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Are they not?
• 33:16
  Speaker 7: So?
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: Aren't you inciting violence potentially not just against Trump but
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: against all of his support?
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah? And remember how well that kind of line of
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: thing went. Hillary Clinton talked.
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: About the basket of deplorables attacking the people who support Trump.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: It doesn't really work.
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: And speaking of Hillary Clinton, median Tony Hinchcliff spoke at
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: this rally and he did not miss.
• 33:41
  Speaker 10: Hillary Clinton said that this is a Nazi rally here today.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Can you believe that.
• 33:53
  Speaker 10: For the most anti war president of my entire lifetime?
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: And she because Hitler.
• 34:02
  Speaker 10: Let me remind you, Hilary, it was your husband who
• 34:05
  Speaker 10: shot innocent people or is he called them interns?
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Hilary, I bet you did not see that one coming.
• 34:18
  Speaker 10: By the way, if I commit suicide in three weeks,
• 34:20
  Speaker 10: I didn't.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: We got a good there.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: And speaking of the Trump campaign, as we've been telling
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: you consistently, jd. Vance has just turned out to be
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: one of the best performers anywhere I think in this campaign.
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: And one of the things that really sets him apart
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: is his ability to pull apart the left wing media
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: in the US because he's not afraid to go and
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: talk to them. He's been talking to them for years.
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: So when he is faced by their ambushes, when he
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: is faced by their ridiculous lines of questioning, he just
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: destroys them. And so it was on C and N
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: with Jake Tapper, who you may remember from the first
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: debate Donald Trump head with Joe Biden. He did not
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: miss much like the comedian didn't.
• 35:07
  Speaker 11: I frankly don't believe what you're saying about Donald Trump's words.
• 35:11
  Speaker 11: If you'd like to put up a clip and actually
• 35:14
  Speaker 11: put him in context, I think the American people would
• 35:16
  Speaker 11: realize that Donald Trump is a hell of a lot
• 35:19
  Speaker 11: more reasonable than the people like Liz Chaney who would
• 35:21
  Speaker 11: like to lie us into war. Ask yourself a basic
• 35:24
  Speaker 11: question about network integrity. You guys talked about the Russia
• 35:28
  Speaker 11: hoax NonStop.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: The FBI was invested in talk, and so you took.
• 35:32
  Speaker 11: The words of unnamed FBI agents and put them on
• 35:34
  Speaker 11: your network as if they were the gospel truth. You
• 35:36
  Speaker 11: did it again and again. A viewer of your network
• 35:39
  Speaker 11: would have believed that Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin conspired
• 35:42
  Speaker 11: in twenty sixteen. That was totally, im preposterously false. Now well,
• 35:46
  Speaker 11: that's what you just said is false. We covered an
• 35:48
  Speaker 11: FBI investigation. I don't know why you want to talk
• 35:50
  Speaker 11: about the FBI investigation. You covered it in a way
• 35:53
  Speaker 11: that gave credence to anonymous sources accusations. You did it yourself,
• 35:58
  Speaker 11: your network did it.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: I wish I had the ability of that, man. I'm
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: working on it. Hopefully one day I will get there.
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: Before we get to the breakdough. In New South Wales,
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: Freedom Loraine Supreme. Once again, they're legalizing e scooters.
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: Now.
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: I know some of you at home probably think all
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: these things are an absolute light on the landscape.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: How doare people be getting around on these e scooters?
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: And I know sometimes they litter the footpaths of ce
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: but seriously, why can't you get around on an e scooter?
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: E bikes illegal in New South Wales.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know why you can argue that e scooters shouldn't.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: I wrote an e scooter in Brisbane and I had
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: the best time gast argument for it. No no, but
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: I almost killed myself and I almost killed a number
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: of other people, which is why I don't know that
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: this is such a great idea. There are danger to
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: pedestrians there are danger on the road there and I
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: saw a trip hazard.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: They get left everywhere and the Melbourn City.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: Councilors banned them. I don't think New South Wales should
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: legalize it.
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: The reason for legalizing it is as an answer to
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: congest in really, so instead of driving, you're going to
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: be on like this little reef sare.
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: I do not see the rationale behind this.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Whatsoever we should we should go out.
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: We already have e.
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: By flying around all over the place.
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: Now we're going to have e scooters as well.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: We don't need We're going to go to a break.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: When we come back, we'll look at what's making news
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: and to Borrow's papers, including Anthony Albanezi under the microscope
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: over those sweet Quantus steels that's coming up in a moment.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: Welcome back to the program. Well, Ellen Joyce has long
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: gone from Quantus, but he continues to haunt Anthony Albanezy.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Kale, oh doesn't he?
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: Just Let's look at the Daily Telegraph tomorrow. And we
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: were speculating in the break this photograph, which of course
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: has come back to haunt these two gentlemen what they
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: might have been saying to each other in this circumstance,
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: and I think it might have gone something along the
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: lines of Albow.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Saying, bitchy Joyce, bitcha Joyce. Did you think I can
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: go to London on the cheap?
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: And then mister Joyce is something to be sure, to
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: be sure, well, to be sure, to be sure as
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: long as you give us a week. Well you know
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: he's an irishman.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Perking.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: I realize you were doing the voices from the pulling
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: Hanson's One Nation.
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, Look I've got a moonlight on the side.
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: It was busy during the data cash Perking, class man.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, what a great headline to this story? Has everything,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: doesn't it.
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: Anthony Alberizi's perk saga sawed to new heights yesterday as
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: it was revealed he had received at least two dozen
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: freebies from the airline. The Coalition seized on the allegations
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: the Prime Minister.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Would personally ask former Quantus.
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: CEO Alan Joyce for flight upgrades, accusing him of having
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: run a protection racket for Quantas Now. The point was
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: made throughout the evening on this channel by various hosts
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: and guests that if you did this in the private sector,
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: it may well be considered corruption.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: At the very least, you'd probably be.
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: Booted from whatever company you were working for. And it
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: just highlights the relationship ship between the airline sector and
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: the federal government. The federal government decides who can operate
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: in this country the slots that they're allowed to use,
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: which is exactly what we saw with the Qatar decision
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: where they were not allowed to come in and run
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: extra international flights out of Australia. How when you are
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: the Transport Minister, the man responsible for making the decisions
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: about which airlines can operate and how many flights they're
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: allowed to have, are you able to not just accept.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: Freebies from quantas.
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: But call up the CEO at the time and say, buddy,
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: I'm going on private travel, not even business travel, and
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: I want an upgrade and that somehow squeaky clean.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: This stinks too high heaven.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Well, here's a question.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: Can the CEO of the airline say no to a
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: request like that?
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Why would you say no?
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: You could not say no because this person stands has
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: the power to either help you or to cripple your business.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: You have to agree to the upput.
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: The only thing you can accuse Alan Joyce off. He
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: is smart business, I mean his currying favor with the government.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Why would is on elbow.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: For Elbow's no friend, because you don't put a friend
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: in the situation that Elbanezi has apparently put Ellen Joyce.
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: Skin well, not a legitimate friend.
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: No, but obviously he would have been banking on the
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: fact that we.
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: Were never supposed to find out. We're never supposed to
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: find out.
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: About any of this named, any scandal that we uncover
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: about any politician, you were never supposed to find out
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: about it. And I like to remind us every time
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: one of them makes the front page.
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: This is just the tip of the iceberg. What do
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: you think we don't know about?
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: So I love it when these stories come to life
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: because it serves as a reminder how much else don't
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: you know about?
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: This dodgy dude?
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: He's calling up his mate, heading up this airline and
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: being like, how about a freebe buddy.
• 40:52
  Speaker 6: That buddy has.
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: No chance in hell of saying no, so he's going
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: to say yes.
• 40:59
  Speaker 6: Now it's on the front page, right where it belongs.
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: Something like this should end Albow because this is exactly
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: what speaks to this persona of you're whining and dining
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: with the rich guys. You don't give a toss about
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: us at the bottom, just trying to feed the kids,
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: put our kids through school, earn.
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: An honest living. You're up there high flying for free.
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: You don't even pay your own way, even though you
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: could afford it a lot more than we could. We
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: know what you're paid, we pay you. Something like this
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: should be one of the final nails in his coffin.
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: Coming up to an election in April, we have to well,
• 41:40
  Speaker 6: you heard it here first.
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: I just called the election in April April May's there's
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: nobody betting market.
• 41:47
  Speaker 6: But if there was, I reckon that'd be a good point.
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: But we need to keep a list of these things, right,
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: because these things tend to make front headlines and then
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: by the next week it's forgotten.
• 41:59
  Speaker 6: But if you will mask them all and put them.
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: Into a very big spreadsheet, it should be enough to
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: finish the match.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: Just before we move on to the next story.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: The headline you said was a great headline, Perkin class man.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: I just pity the next Prime minister who grows up
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: in a single parent home in a housing commission.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Flat and everyone will say, oh, here we go.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: He's just gonna grab every perk he can get.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: Ruined it for the next time.
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: To be fair to the bloke, he couldn't afford to
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: pay for those first class flats because he had to
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: save up for a four million dollar house on the scene. Yeah.
• 42:32
  Speaker 6: True, he's been scrimping and safe.
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: You know, we got to think about how hard the
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: bloke's been doing it. I know when Kea starmasu Ki
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: Stamma that the recently elected prime Minister in the UK
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: got caught out with similar sort of saffery. Recently they
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: were calling him free gear Kia. I forget where I
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: read it today, but I saw Albert Freebee's news, so
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: maybe that won't catch on now. The story on the
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: front of the Telly Tomorrow Rich Nimby's in.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: The Secret Pub spoiler.
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: Residents in one of Sydney's most exclusive buildings, the Toaster
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: at Circular Key, are locked in a battle with a
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: pub which is set to test Premier Chris Men's commitment
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: to getting the city moving. The Squire's Landing Bar is
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: seeking approval to trade twenty four to seven in a
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: move it said would support Sydney's nighttime economy, but a
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: group of Nimbi's from the Benelong One building on the
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: opposite side of Circular Key are attempting to derail the plan.
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: Now look strange idea, I know, but if you buy
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: an apartment in a building on Circular Key right next
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: to the Opera House, right next to Opera Bar, you know,
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: one of the busiest tourist places in in Sydney where
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: all of the cruise ships come in, there's a bar
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: over the way, you know how sound travels over the water.
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: And then you're like, how dare people enjoy themselves inside?
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: I think you're being unfair.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: When they bought these apartments, there wasn't twenty four to
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: seven trading. Now the government changing the rules, I think
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: they've got.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Every right to be upset about.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Oh but I mean, look, what did you think was
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: going to happen?
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: Maybe they wouldn't have bought the apartment if if twenty
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: four to seven trading existed, they would have said, you know,
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: we don't oh kindly aloys, if you're now the go
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: changing the regulations, they're not happy.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Well, I wouldn't be.
• 44:14
  Speaker 6: Able to know. Definitely, they're locked in a battle.
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: If you don't afford to live in the toaster, you
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: can afford to put double glazing on your windows.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: There's a way floors and have first class flights to
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: London and have glazed windows.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: So something's got to give Caleb it.
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: Wugs are so cheap they're almost free. In fact, if
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: you fly first class you'll get a pair for free
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: that you can just reuse every night if you're in the.
• 44:41
  Speaker 6: Bent Along building. Townsville bulletin now, oh.
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: My goodness, how is this for a news flash?
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Jaws hit the.
• 44:49
  Speaker 6: Floor too little, too late.
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: The splash reads Myles's admission on Townsville crime. Defeated Labor
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: leader Stephen Miles has conceded his party didn't that quickly enough,
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: only as you have crime in Townsville, telling media the
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: former government got it wrong in the North Queensland regions. Wow, wow, wow,
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: this is revelatory. It only took you losing to come
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: to this conclusion. I'm sure this is really our cold
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: comfort to the people who have been campaigning for months
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: and months and months.
• 45:27
  Speaker 6: To see you do something.
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: You and your government do something about the unprecedentedly high
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: crime rates in North Queensby fairly to suck mate.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: They only had nine years, which is not nearly enough
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: time to get on top of that barely run up
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: very quickly. In the Herald's son one million dollar lighter
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: on Tobacco reads the headline Criminals Court selling elicit tobacco
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: will be fined up to a million dollars for a
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: first offense in.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: A plan proposed by the state opposition.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: For context, the current fine for selling elicit tobacco is
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: forty seven thousand dollars. The Opposition are going to increase
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: that to a million, which when you say you should
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: put the finger up like this, a million dollars hang on.
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: So magistrates have just been told that pedophiles in Victoria
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: shouldn't be deported. But do you still have a legal
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: cigarettes and they're going to find you a million dollars
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: in or is gone.
• 46:16
  Speaker 6: Is going to raise even more revenue for the state. Now, beautiful, we're.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: Going to go to a break, butit stick around when
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: we come back.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: A police officer found guilty of misconduct for stealing a.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Roll of toilet paper coming up in a moment.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: Well as in Australia, there's a crime crisis in the
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: UK and now we know why.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Rather than tracking down criminals.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: Police have been trying to work out where the toilet
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: roles have been disappearing too. A police misconduct hearing found
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: a police woman guilty of stealing a toilet roller a
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: roll of toilet paper from the station. She claimed she'd
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: just taken it to clean up some spillage in her car,
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: but they said she had concealed the role of toilet paper,
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: which meant she was actually stealing it. Furthermore, they did
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: in search of her home and they found toilet rolls
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: and empty toilet rolls at her home, six of them
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: in fact. Now, she had already left the police force
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: when this misconduct hearing was conducted, so she wasn't booted
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: out of the force, but it was recorded on her record.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: Ellison Tompkins of the UK Police said honesty and integrity
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: are fundamental tenets of a police officer. Removing any items,
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: regardless of the value, without permission is considered to be
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: dishonest by the standards of professional behavior, and so it's
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: good that they've found this woman. May she never be
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: allowed back on the police Can you.
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: Live going to her house and checking out the empty rolls? No,
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: these are definitely from the station. They can't even fire
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: her because she's already left. She'd probably stopped up before
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: she left. But before we leave you tonight, check out
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: the power and the passion of this little Chinese lady
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: at a Trump rally.
• 47:58
  Speaker 6: You can tell it's not her first road with communism.
• 48:02
  Speaker 6: Well Chinese.
• 48:03
  Speaker 7: For us, the generation we love timp from our bottom
• 48:07
  Speaker 7: of the hard because we know Tember is the only
• 48:11
  Speaker 7: one can save America.
• 48:13
  Speaker 6: Kamala is so stupid, she is so low.
• 48:18
  Speaker 7: Aq Eco don't kill no qualification.
• 48:21
  Speaker 6: To be the president.
• 48:22
  Speaker 7: You shall stay away from that possession.
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: Her rand literally goes for three minutes solid.
• 48:30
  Speaker 6: This woman gets on her soapbu she is ready to go.
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: They should have had her on the podium at Madison
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: Square Garden like she was ready to go.
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: Man, just when you thought you loved your fantasy, stole
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: a roll of toilet paper and then you had to
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: reconsider it all very quickly before we go. American Airlines
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: has come up with a genius way to stop people
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: who cut in front of the queue when they're boarding
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: for the plane. If you go up when it's not
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: your turn to go up, they're calling, you know, Rose
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: one to six or whatever, and you scan your boarding
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: pass and you're.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: In that group, big alarm goes off and says, you know,
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: these person's a cue jumper, cue jumper. I think it
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: is brilliant.
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: I've never understood why people rush to get on a plane.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Sit there, have another drink, Wait until they call your name.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: The plane's not going to leave with not all our code. Taylor,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: that's it.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: We got to go good night, but stick around and
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: coming up is the readA Penny Show