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SHOCK CHARGE! Missing-Mom-Hubby Fotis Dulos trade murder for alibi? DULOS LAWYER CHARGED RE: MURDER · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: A Connecticut mother of five goes missing, her car found
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Speaker 1: splattered with blood not too far from her home in
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Speaker 1: the garage. More blood also found discarded in multiple locations,
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Speaker 1: a bloody bra a bloody T shirt, bloody sponges, rags,
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Speaker 1: even a bloody mop. Now finally, an arrest of Fotus Dulos,
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Speaker 1: his mistress, and amazingly, the lawyer. Did the lawyer have
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Speaker 1: a deal to provide an alibi for the time of
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Speaker 1: the murder in exchange for his own wife's murder. Bobshell
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Speaker 1: Now in the Jennifer Dulo's case, I Nancy Grace. This
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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. It was
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Speaker 1: a Friday morning in late May, almost the end of
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Speaker 1: the academic year, when Jennifer Dulos dropped off her five
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Speaker 1: children for school surveillance camera show. She returned to her
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Speaker 1: rented home around eight o'clock, then vanished, We love you
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Speaker 1: and we are doing everything we can to bring you home.
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Speaker 1: Hours later, worried friends called the police after she missed
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Speaker 1: several appointments. Her disappearance sparked an intense search, stretching across
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Speaker 1: state lines, making headlines in the national news. New development
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Speaker 1: in the case of that missing mother of five overnight
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Speaker 1: her a strange husband speaking in a new interview, her
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Speaker 1: estranged husband and his live in girlfriend appearing in quart
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Speaker 1: Coops immediately start with the timeline and trying to figure
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Speaker 1: out if she left on her own, But then they
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Speaker 1: discover her suv seemingly abandoned. Drones, canines, and a helicopter
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Speaker 1: scoured the area. Her vehicle found eur a wooden park,
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Speaker 1: but key evidence discovered inside her rented home. A police
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Speaker 1: affidavit at least back in June revealed that authorities found
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Speaker 1: numerous blood stains on the garage floor, multiple areas of
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Speaker 1: suspected blood spatter, and evidence of attempts to clean the
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Speaker 1: crime scene at the affidavit it says blood spatter spatter.
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Speaker 1: That's significant. That affidavit showing that Jennifer was the suspected
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Speaker 1: victim of a serious physical assault. You're hearing our friends
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Speaker 1: at ABC. That was Witt Johnson and others. Stunning developments
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Speaker 1: in the case of missing Connecticut mom of five Jennifer Dulos,
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Speaker 1: last seen by objective witnesses when she drops her children
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Speaker 1: off at a ritzy day school there in New Canaan.
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Speaker 1: New Canaan, a wealthy enclave not too far out of
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Speaker 1: New York City. Beautiful area, manicured lawns, mega mansions, the works.
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Speaker 1: Definitely a low crime area. What happened to Jennifer Dulos
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Speaker 1: With me an all Star panel Troy Slayton, we're now
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Speaker 1: criminal defense attorney Bobby Chico and former special agent FBI
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Speaker 1: star a Facebook curse of Akacre. Laura Ingle, Fox News
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Speaker 1: national correspondent, who has spent time interviewing Duelos at his home,
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Speaker 1: on the story from the beginning. I meanan Sey, Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Straight out to Laura Ingle, Fox News National correspondent, Laura,
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Speaker 1: I can't believe the latest developments. You take it off, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: This has been an incredible story from the start. With
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Speaker 1: the recent arrest of photos Dulos, his shelter Konis, and
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Speaker 1: his original civil attorney, Kent Mwinney, we are getting an
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Speaker 1: awful lot of information through these arrestaurants. As you mentioned.
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Speaker 1: You know, we've been talking about the blood evidence that
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Speaker 1: was found in the garage, but now with these new
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Speaker 1: arrestaurants finally made public, we see what the State of
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Speaker 1: Connecticut police and New Candom police have been working on
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Speaker 1: all these months. They have kept this investigation so close
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Speaker 1: to the vest they have not given us an inch
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Speaker 1: of what they had found. We found a little bit
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Speaker 1: out during the original arrestaurants in June, when Michell and
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Speaker 1: Photos were arrested on tampering with evidence charges. We know
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Speaker 1: that they were spotted throwing out those plastic garbage bags
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Speaker 1: in Hartford, Connecticut. But what we found out with this
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Speaker 1: recent arrest is just how much warm was inside those
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Speaker 1: garbage bags that tie both Photos Dulos and Shelterconus to
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Speaker 1: the crime that investigators believe that Photos Duos were lying
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Speaker 1: in wait inside his estranged wax garage. We're talking about
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Speaker 1: clear ponchos, zip ties, garbage bags, gloves, mop handled sponge,
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Speaker 1: blood like stains on paper towels, all of it found
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Speaker 1: in these garbage bags. A lot of it has a
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Speaker 1: combination of Jennifer Dulos's DNA matching the blood, Photos Dulos's
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Speaker 1: DNA and fingerprints, and Michelterconus's DNA on the knot. You know,
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Speaker 1: when you tie a garbage bag off and you're going
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Speaker 1: to throw it out. Her DNA is found inside that knot, Remember,
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Speaker 1: she said I had no idea what Photus was doing
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Speaker 1: that day, the night of Jennifer's disappearance, throwing out all
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Speaker 1: these garbage bags. I was on the phone. Well, it
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Speaker 1: turns out that her DNA's on there way. Oh wait, wait, wait,
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Speaker 1: wait wait, Laura Ingle, Laura Ingle, I'm drinking from the
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Speaker 1: fire hydrant. Did you just say that? Video cameras caught
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Speaker 1: the husband, Photus Dulos, and his lover, Michelle Traconis, in
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Speaker 1: a car, we believe together, making twenty plus stops. When
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Speaker 1: the police went to those stops, they found bloody sponges,
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Speaker 1: bloody bra, bloody shirt, bloody mop and she, the mistress, says, oh,
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Speaker 1: I don't know what he was doing. I was on
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Speaker 1: my cell phone. Woa Did I just hear that, Laura Ingle?
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Speaker 1: That's correct. They swabbed one of the bags at the
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Speaker 1: opening and separate back portion, and they find and it's
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Speaker 1: highlighted in the arrestaurant reething DNA match to Jennifer Dulos,
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Speaker 1: DNA match to Photus Dulos, DNA match to Michelle Traconis.
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Speaker 1: It's all at the bag opening and separate bag portion.
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Speaker 1: Hold on just a moment with me, Laura Ingle. Fox
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Speaker 1: needs national correspondent who's been on the story from the go.
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Speaker 1: We now know in the last hours Fotus Delos arrested
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Speaker 1: for murder one along with his girlfriend of Shelter Konis,
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Speaker 1: And not only that, his former lawyer, Kent McWhinney has
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Speaker 1: been arrested in connection with this case. Troy Slayton, you
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Speaker 1: know what, you're a great lawyer. I like you as
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Speaker 1: a person. I may someday sit down and have another
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Speaker 1: cup of tea with you. But Troy, how do you
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Speaker 1: do it? No offense? But this guy? Did you just
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Speaker 1: hear Laura Ingle? She just said that on these things?
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Speaker 1: Does these items disposed in twenty plus stops? And I
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Speaker 1: haven't even gotten to ripping out in the back seat
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Speaker 1: of the car yet that was covered in Jennifer's blood,
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Speaker 1: the mother of his five children. How do you go
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Speaker 1: in court and actually say the words not guilty? How
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Speaker 1: do you do it? Because all that's needed to make
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Speaker 1: the arrest Nancy is probable cause, which is the lowest
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Speaker 1: standard in the law. It, Jeff means that somebody, a
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Speaker 1: reasonable person, could think that a crime was committed, and
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Speaker 1: so it's not surprising that DNA for a husband would
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Speaker 1: be near DNA of the white Oh you mean a
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Speaker 1: bloody bra. Don't don't talk about it like that near DNA.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess if you look to my bath,
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Speaker 1: I remember the kitchen, you'd find mine of my husband's DNA.
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Speaker 1: But it ain't blood on my bra. Okay, connect with
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Speaker 1: his and the mistress's DNA on it. He've been trying
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Speaker 1: to connect him for months. So and at this point
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Speaker 1: all that they have for her and for the this
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Speaker 1: attorney is conspiracy and on him. They don't have an
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Speaker 1: actual direct connection to do love. You know. See that
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Speaker 1: is why you make all that money, because you can
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Speaker 1: actually say that kind of thing with a straight face.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Laura Ingle, there is the issue
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Speaker 1: as how the police have to make a no body
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Speaker 1: murder case. And I guess the blood on her reign
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Speaker 1: River was the very first clue Dulos was dead. Go
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Speaker 1: ahead and la in the evidence, Laura Angels, Well, the
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Speaker 1: other thing that's interesting about this case is so we
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Speaker 1: know that Photus Dulos and Jennifer Julius had been in
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Speaker 1: a two year long, bitter, horrifying custody and divorce case.
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Speaker 1: And I say that because there are nearly five hundred
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Speaker 1: court filings in family court between these two between the
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Speaker 1: parents of the five children, two sets of twins, all
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Speaker 1: under the age of thirteen, all these children, they are
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Speaker 1: fighting for custody. And in that sight, we learned through
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Speaker 1: court documents that when she found out about the affair
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Speaker 1: with Michel ter Konas, she took her children and left.
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Speaker 1: She went and rented this home in New Canaan, which
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Speaker 1: is miles away from her family and marital home that
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Speaker 1: she shared with Photus. Once inside this rental home, that
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Speaker 1: is as you describe, this is a wealthy aflone area.
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Speaker 1: I believe the round with eighteen thousand dollars and months
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Speaker 1: with this house gorgeous. Wait wait wait, wait, wait wait wait, Laura,
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. You know, Laura, I don't know before you
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Speaker 1: gonna know. Now. I grew up on a red dirt road.
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Speaker 1: My grandfather dug our well to our home. Yes, the
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Speaker 1: water was sometimes read, but we knew that was just fine.
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Speaker 1: There was a tree growing up in the middle of
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Speaker 1: the road at the photo of our driveway. And I
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Speaker 1: got to go to the library because a bookmobile would
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Speaker 1: come out to the rural needy children. I didn't think
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Speaker 1: I was needy. I was perfectly happy. But when you
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Speaker 1: just did you did you just say eighteen thousand dollars
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Speaker 1: a month for the house? That's correct? Okay, all right,
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Speaker 1: go ahead, I know dead Air is just her family. Also,
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Speaker 1: go ahead. I understand lip that she came from money.
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Speaker 1: Her parents were very wealthy, which gets into a whole
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Speaker 1: other subset of the story about the money that was exchanged.
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Speaker 1: This is a you know, photo Stulos has been a
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Speaker 1: luxury homebuilder for a long time. Nonetheless, what I want
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Speaker 1: to let you know, and I'm sure that your audience
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Speaker 1: may have heard, is that Photostulos was never allowed inside
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Speaker 1: that home. He was forbidden from stepping foot inside the house.
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Speaker 1: Two days before Jennifer Dulos went missing, he had a
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Speaker 1: visitation set up and by the way, visitations with his
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Speaker 1: children required a court appointed guardian to watch to be
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Speaker 1: present at all times. And he did go to the
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Speaker 1: house two days before Jennifer went missing, but she put
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Speaker 1: food out. The nanny put food out in the backyard
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Speaker 1: for the children to have with their father, but he
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Speaker 1: was forbidden from coming inside the house. Everyone present that
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Speaker 1: day will say that he was never in the house.
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Speaker 1: Fast forward to the evidence presented by state police that
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Speaker 1: his DNA was mixed in with Jennifer's blood a sample
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Speaker 1: found on the kitchen faucet. His DNA also found on
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Speaker 1: the inside doorknob of the mudroom in the back. So
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Speaker 1: those are two things that no way should be there. Now,
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Speaker 1: his attorney will say, but he was at the house.
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Speaker 1: Sure it makes sense. But everybody that was there said,
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Speaker 1: but he never made it inside the house, that he
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Speaker 1: never went inside. So why is his DNA on the
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Speaker 1: inside doorknob? Why is his DNA on the kitchen faucet sink?
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Speaker 1: Another thing about what you just said, Laura Ingle, is
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Speaker 1: the mixture of blood? Correct? What exactly was on that
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Speaker 1: kitchen faucet, Laura Ingle Fox knees it was. It was
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Speaker 1: a sample taken. They swabbed everything. They found a match
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Speaker 1: to Jennifer Dulos's DNA, which came back as a blood
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Speaker 1: like substance mixed in with DNA matching Duelos And was
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Speaker 1: actually an argument made last summer. I was in court
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Speaker 1: when Colangelo, the prosecutor, said we want to hold him.
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Speaker 1: They didn't want to let him go on another bail
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Speaker 1: for tampering with evidence. And he thought that that was
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Speaker 1: kind of a smoking gun. It was a smoking gun
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Speaker 1: moment in the courtroom where he said, well, what do
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Speaker 1: you think about this? The judge again said not enough.
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Speaker 1: We're going to let him go on bond and bail
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Speaker 1: at that point, and then they put a GPS tracking
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Speaker 1: device on him and he was free to go home.
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Speaker 1: So they had tried to use that to keep him
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Speaker 1: incarcerated back in the summer, but it wasn't enough. So
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Speaker 1: we knew about that last year. But now in this
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Speaker 1: new arrestaurant, we're learning that his DNA was also on
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Speaker 1: the inside doorknob of the mudroom, So is that how
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Speaker 1: he got in and out? And you know, there were
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Speaker 1: gloves that were found Nancy inside black garden glove, black
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Speaker 1: husky glove. Those are DNA matches to photos Dulas. On
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Speaker 1: the interior of the black garden glove. They found his
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Speaker 1: DNA on the inside of the glove. On the black
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Speaker 1: husky gloves, they found a DNA match to Jennifer Dulos
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Speaker 1: on the exterior, So they've got her DNA on the outside,
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Speaker 1: his DNA on the inside of the glove. In those
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Speaker 1: bags deposited the night that Jennifer Dulas is reported missing
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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace. Police still have not found
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Speaker 1: Jennifer Dulos's body, but based on the evidence and the
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Speaker 1: amount of blood loss, the medical examiner has considered this
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Speaker 1: a homicide. Votus, why did you do it? Fotus Dulos
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Speaker 1: in handcuffs hauled out of the Connecticut State Police barracks
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Speaker 1: and Bridgeport. Dulos arrested and charged today with murdering his wife, Jennifer,
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Speaker 1: nearly eight months after her disappearance. Police revealing and an
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Speaker 1: arrest warrant today, they believe Fotus Dulos wrote a vintage
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Speaker 1: bicycle to Jennifer's home, killed her, covered up the crime,
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Speaker 1: and disposed of her body. The warrant detailing seven locations
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Speaker 1: where blood like stains matching Jennifer's DNA were found at
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Speaker 1: her new Canaan home. You are listening to our friends
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Speaker 1: at NBC News for Mark Sentia to Bobby Jcoon, former
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Speaker 1: FBI star Facebook series Curse of Ackricor, Bobby, here's my theory.
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Speaker 1: Then I'll let Troy Slayton shoot holes in it. Bobby Chicone.
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Speaker 1: I believe she dropped the children off because it would
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Speaker 1: have been too much of a red flag for her
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Speaker 1: not to show up with the children, dropped them at school,
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Speaker 1: comes back. I don't believe she ever made it into
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Speaker 1: the home. She did get out of the vehicle, because
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Speaker 1: her blood is spattered in multiple places within the garage,
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Speaker 1: on her car, on the wall, on the floor, on
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Speaker 1: the other car in the garage. Interesting when her car
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Speaker 1: is taken away, I believe her cell phone was in it.
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Speaker 1: That's what I think happened. I think he ambushed her
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Speaker 1: there After he did the deed, murdered her, he and
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Speaker 1: his mistress, Michelle Traconis, went and got rid of the evidence,
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Speaker 1: as we see on surveillance video twenty plus stops Bobby
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Speaker 1: ditching evidence. So I think that that theory is certainly
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Speaker 1: supported by what we know and even by some of
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Speaker 1: the physical evidence. I think I think you're right. I
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Speaker 1: think it's entirely possible he was laying in wait in
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Speaker 1: the garage, and that supervised visit to the children days
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Speaker 1: before the murder was probably a way to case the joint,
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Speaker 1: to look at the physical layout, to get a little
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Speaker 1: more information about how he was going to carry this
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Speaker 1: attack out, and also give him a plausible reason why
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Speaker 1: his DNA might be there. Because as we heard that
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Speaker 1: he was not supposed to be ever inside that house. Well,
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Speaker 1: now he has a this is all part of the premeditation.
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Speaker 1: He has a plausible reason or his attorney can now
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Speaker 1: have a plausible reason to say, of course, as DNA
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Speaker 1: was there, he visited children just days before. So all
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Speaker 1: of this goes to premeditation. All of it goes to
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Speaker 1: leading the fact that clearly this was a planned attack.
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Speaker 1: We have several other people involved in both the planning
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Speaker 1: and carrying out and the covering up of the crime.
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Speaker 1: You know, I think there's strong, strong evidence to tie him,
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Speaker 1: you know, to it. I think that there's past behavior
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Speaker 1: that lends itself to understand how what he did. The
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Speaker 1: investigators at a tremendous job at tying him to certain
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Speaker 1: places at certain times during the morning of her going missing.
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Speaker 1: I think this is an incredibly strong case. I think
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Speaker 1: they have spent the last several months tying him and
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Speaker 1: in fact now have tied him to the murder. You
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Speaker 1: Know what's also extremely interesting and I think incredible police work.
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Speaker 1: To Laura Ingle, Fox News National correspondent, is the degree
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Speaker 1: of video surveillance law enforcement has managed to amass. I'm
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Speaker 1: talking about neighbors burglar systems. I'm talking about video surveillance,
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Speaker 1: security surveillance at places of business like the car wash,
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Speaker 1: even school buses. When they open their door, they have
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Speaker 1: a camera train on children getting in and out of
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Speaker 1: the school bus, and they catch Dulos driving by at
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Speaker 1: that moment through the open school bus doors. Laura Ingle,
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Speaker 1: it is amazing the way they put together his movements.
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Speaker 1: It please explain what police believe our photus Dulos movements
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Speaker 1: that morning after his wife Jennifer has been murdered. I'm
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Speaker 1: glad you brought up the school bus video surveillance because
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Speaker 1: I think that is one of the most interesting parts
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Speaker 1: of how they track them. Of Course, we know that
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Speaker 1: many people have videos, nest cams and all of that,
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Speaker 1: but I gotta say I'm surprised that Jennifer Dulas didn't
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Speaker 1: have any security cameras out. I mean, it would have
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Speaker 1: been that would have been such a huge piece of this.
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Speaker 1: Of course, and perhaps if Potus is in fact guilty,
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Speaker 1: he knew that and was able to get in through
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Speaker 1: the back. So the school bus cameras, they have gone
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Speaker 1: through dozens and dozens and dozens, and I believe that
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Speaker 1: there are still more school buses that they're tapping. Video
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Speaker 1: surveillance they have been able to lay out like a
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Speaker 1: jigsaw puzzle, video surveillance of the neighbors in the court,
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Speaker 1: of the businesses nearby, on cameras that go over bridges
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Speaker 1: on parkways, trying to track the different vehicles used, and
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Speaker 1: there were a couple in what police investigators believe is
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Speaker 1: the movements of photos Dulas leaving his home in Farmington,
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Speaker 1: driving not his car, the vehicle of one of his workers.
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Speaker 1: He works in construction. He had a company called Four Groups,
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Speaker 1: so he uses the truck of an employee named Power. Laura, Laura,
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Speaker 1: please give this a lot of attention because I want
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Speaker 1: Troye Layton to be able to marinate in this for
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Speaker 1: a few moments. And this is one of my favorite
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Speaker 1: parts of the story. The car. Sorry, Laura, go ahead,
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Speaker 1: that's all right. Well, it's like following the bouncing goal.
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Speaker 1: Because what we learn in these arrest warrant Photostuolos borrows
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Speaker 1: the vehicle of an employee, a truck. He drives the
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Speaker 1: employee's truck and puts a bicycle, his childhood bicycle, which
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Speaker 1: is very distinctive in the back of the truck. He
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Speaker 1: drives it. This is all the investigator's idea. He drives
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Speaker 1: the truck to Waveny Park parks outside of the park
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Speaker 1: where he's going to drive Jennifer's truck. He then gets
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Speaker 1: on his bicycle, according to investigators, and rides about three
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Speaker 1: miles with a hooded sweatshirt on. We believe to the
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Speaker 1: back of Jennifer's home. If you saw somebody riding a
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Speaker 1: bicycle up to the front of her house, the neighbor's
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Speaker 1: cameras are going to get it. So they believe he
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Speaker 1: went through the woods into the backyard, into the garage
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Speaker 1: and was lying away. Then he's there for two hours
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Speaker 1: in the garage doing all the things that are laid out,
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Speaker 1: you know, the evidence points to a bloody, horrifying homicide
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Speaker 1: of violence. He takes the bike and he puts his
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Speaker 1: bike into Jennifer duclos to his vehicle, puts her into
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Speaker 1: her vehicle. The vehicle is seen leaving her house, going
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Speaker 1: out of the court, and then it is found, as
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Speaker 1: you know, at the park. What a the park his
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Speaker 1: employee's truck. So the idea of the investigators is that
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Speaker 1: he then transfers the body from Jennifer's truck into his
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Speaker 1: employee's truck with the bike, leaves her truck empty and
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Speaker 1: outside of a park. Then he drives away and where
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Speaker 1: the body is still nobody knows. That's the biggest mystery
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Speaker 1: of it all. But back to the jigsaw puzzle. This
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Speaker 1: is where they get this information. They see her vehicle leaving,
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Speaker 1: they see the other truck at the park. They're still
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Speaker 1: piecing it together. There's still more work to be done
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Speaker 1: on tying it all together, but they felt at this
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Speaker 1: point when they made the arrest, that they had enough
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Speaker 1: to stitch together the timeline that they believe supports their theory.
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Speaker 1: And then you mentioned the car seat. I think that
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Speaker 1: the biggest hero of this story when we finally get
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Speaker 1: to court, will be a man by the name Powel Gomini.
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Speaker 1: He was a full time employee and that's who's truck.
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Speaker 1: He youth, and he's the guy that told police about
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Speaker 1: the seats that photo Stulos wanted him to remove out
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Speaker 1: of that vehicle. Photo Stulos, after Jennifer disapear, says you
20:29
Speaker 1: gotta get rid of the seats in the car. And
20:31
Speaker 1: he found that very strange. He said, you got to
20:34
Speaker 1: get rid of them, replace them with anything else you
20:36
Speaker 1: can find. So he replaces the seats. What does he do?
20:39
Speaker 1: He saves them, He hides them, and he gives them
20:43
Speaker 1: to police. They swab it, they find her. Flood stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. In a new thirty eight page arrest warrant,
21:07
Speaker 1: police say they found Jennifer's DNA on the seeds of
21:10
Speaker 1: a work truck Dulos had been driving. According to the warrant,
21:13
Speaker 1: police Astra Konis, why Dulos would watch the truck after
21:17
Speaker 1: Jennifer disappeared, She told them, well, obviously, all the evidence says,
21:22
Speaker 1: because you showed me the picture of the blood in
21:24
Speaker 1: the door, it's because the body of Jennifer at some
21:27
Speaker 1: point was in there. In June, we sat down with
21:30
Speaker 1: Dulos's attorney, Norm Pattis, who told us the case against
21:33
Speaker 1: his client was built on speculation and hysteria. Jennifer is
21:37
Speaker 1: an extremely sympathetic person right now. The nation is rallied
21:40
Speaker 1: behind her because she's a missing mom of five beautiful children.
21:43
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean my clients the villain. Dulos's attorney told
21:46
Speaker 1: CBS News in a statement he wishes the state police
21:48
Speaker 1: spent more time looking for Jennifer and less trying to
21:52
Speaker 1: build a case against his client. You are hearing CBS
21:55
Speaker 1: reporter Michelle Miller. You know that's that's just usual, that's
21:58
Speaker 1: SAP standard operating. Look here, not there. Why aren't you
22:02
Speaker 1: looking for her body? And why are you looking at
22:04
Speaker 1: my client? Well, the reality is is law enforcement and
22:08
Speaker 1: so many others have been looking for Jennifer dulos body.
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Speaker 1: There is no doubt in my mind that she is dead.
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Speaker 1: Detroit's late and criminal defense lawyer, renown criminal defense attorney
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Speaker 1: Troy Here's the thing. You may defense attorney at trial
22:25
Speaker 1: can argue about the DNA belonging to both of them.
22:29
Speaker 1: It should have been there. Although we know he was
22:31
Speaker 1: not allowed in that rental home. But you can argue that.
22:34
Speaker 1: But when you have a real live person, not just
22:39
Speaker 1: a DNA result, and that person his employee says, he
22:45
Speaker 1: borrowed my vehicle without asking me. I never told him
22:48
Speaker 1: he could take my car. That Dulos takes the car
22:52
Speaker 1: and then asks him to change out the back seat.
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Speaker 1: Something tells him no. He saves the back seat, secretly
23:03
Speaker 1: doesn't tell Dulos his boss. Then Jennifer's blood is found
23:08
Speaker 1: on that back seat. I mean, listen, I'm just a
23:11
Speaker 1: trial lawyer. But two and two is four. Slaton sounds
23:14
Speaker 1: to me like that employee may have had something to
23:17
Speaker 1: do with the murder. Possibly, so who knows. But one
23:23
Speaker 1: of the reasons we love you choice, Laton. I never
23:26
Speaker 1: saw that coming out of your m rearend. We go ahead.
23:29
Speaker 1: What we do know is that there's no there's nobody.
23:35
Speaker 1: We don't even know at this point if Michelle Dulos
23:39
Speaker 1: is deceased. Okay, let's talk about that. Let's talk about that,
23:42
Speaker 1: Laura Ingle. We've got a Fox News national correspondent joining
23:46
Speaker 1: us who spent hundreds of man hours on this case.
23:49
Speaker 1: Laura Ingle. We have so many choices to pick from.
23:53
Speaker 1: Let's see. At the beginning, Dulos's lawyer said, she's not dead,
23:58
Speaker 1: she just took a powder. She's probably run off with
24:00
Speaker 1: a man. Then he said, hey, you know, she was
24:02
Speaker 1: writing a novel like Gone Girl, right, So she's just
24:06
Speaker 1: living out her dream and trying to frame my poor
24:09
Speaker 1: client photus Dulos. She's not dead. She faked her own
24:12
Speaker 1: death with all that blood, that crazy hysterical woman. Then
24:16
Speaker 1: I really love this, Laura Ingle, revenge suicide that she
24:20
Speaker 1: hated Dulos so much, she killed herself, leaving her children
24:26
Speaker 1: without a mother in order to get back at him.
24:29
Speaker 1: Laura helped me, Well, all those things have been floated
24:33
Speaker 1: by the defense, it's true. But what we did learn
24:36
Speaker 1: in the arrest Lawrence, when Potus Dulous, Michel Traconas, and
24:40
Speaker 1: the attorney are arrested is for the first time we
24:43
Speaker 1: are hearing from Connecticut's chief medical examiner, doctor James Gill,
24:48
Speaker 1: who determined that this was all the evidence found in
24:51
Speaker 1: the garage that Jennifer Dulos had sustained quote in injury
24:55
Speaker 1: or injuries that would have been non survivable without medical intervention,
25:00
Speaker 1: and categorized her death as a homicide. He went on
25:03
Speaker 1: to detail the amount of blood that was found and
25:06
Speaker 1: picked up and surveyed that she died most likely from
25:11
Speaker 1: blunt force trauma and or stabbing and slashing of some kind.
25:16
Speaker 1: This is the medical examiner's conclusion to the evidence presented
25:20
Speaker 1: to him. We had been waiting months for his review
25:24
Speaker 1: of the evidence and all that was happening forensically, and
25:27
Speaker 1: that is his conclusion with me. Choice Layton, renowned criminal
25:30
Speaker 1: defense attorney out of LA Bobby jconformer fb I start
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Speaker 1: a Facebook curse of Acacor and special guests, Fox Knew's
25:39
Speaker 1: national correspondent Laura Ingle. Laura Ingle joining us right now
25:42
Speaker 1: with breaking news in the case, Laura, what do you know?
25:45
Speaker 1: So this goes to his original attorney, Kent mulleeney. This
25:51
Speaker 1: is the guy that he first became friends with Kent
25:54
Speaker 1: when he you know, he's a luxury homebuilder. So Kent
25:57
Speaker 1: would come in and help him close on the sales
25:59
Speaker 1: of property. They became friends, he became a lawyer. Then
26:03
Speaker 1: backing up to if you take the record back two
26:06
Speaker 1: years before Jennifer goes missing, I mentioned the bitter divorce
26:09
Speaker 1: and custody battle, but there was also a civil case
26:12
Speaker 1: going on with Gloria Farber, who is Jennifer Dulos's mother,
26:16
Speaker 1: about money that the family had loaned photos to build
26:19
Speaker 1: these luxury homes that were some of the loans were
26:22
Speaker 1: paid back, they say some of them weren't. Dulo said,
26:25
Speaker 1: I actually don't owe them any money they owe me.
26:27
Speaker 1: It's been this whole fight about money. But back in
26:29
Speaker 1: the beginning, Kent was his lawyer. Kent also had a
26:34
Speaker 1: situation of his own. He was also embroiled in a
26:37
Speaker 1: bitter divorce battle with his own wife. He had been
26:40
Speaker 1: arrested for abuse, and his wife, she accused him of
26:44
Speaker 1: spousal rape, of choking, put a restraining order against him,
26:48
Speaker 1: wanted no contact with him. In the weeks before Jennifer
26:52
Speaker 1: Dulos goes missing, this woman not identified by the press,
26:56
Speaker 1: but this woman is getting phone calls from Photos Dulos
27:00
Speaker 1: out of the blue, and he says, hey, why don't
27:02
Speaker 1: you come over to my house. I'll get kN over here.
27:07
Speaker 1: You guys can talk talk some things out. And she
27:09
Speaker 1: doesn't know who this guy is. She doesn't, she's not
27:12
Speaker 1: friendly with him. They don't have a relationship. She found
27:15
Speaker 1: it odd he kept calling saying, Kent really wants to
27:18
Speaker 1: talk to you. Remember Kent has an order not to
27:20
Speaker 1: talk to his wife. But I think the idea is
27:22
Speaker 1: that if Photos can talk to him, you know, that
27:24
Speaker 1: goes around the order. She is afraid of her husband
27:29
Speaker 1: tells police as such. She's gonna end up meeting Photos
27:32
Speaker 1: Dulos at a restaurant in the days before Jennifer goes missing,
27:35
Speaker 1: because he's been relentless and we'd heard about this, but
27:39
Speaker 1: our affiliate Fox sixty one got a hold of the
27:41
Speaker 1: voicemail tapes of Photosdulos leaving messages on the wife's machine
27:46
Speaker 1: saying I want to talk to you. Can you please
27:48
Speaker 1: call me back. I want to set my schedule. I
27:50
Speaker 1: want to get this set up. So we're hearing that
27:52
Speaker 1: for the very first time and backing up why Kent
27:55
Speaker 1: Muiney was also Muinney was also arrested on conspiracy to
27:59
Speaker 1: commit murder. Like I'm just giving you the backstory about
28:01
Speaker 1: what's happening in his personal life. He also was a
28:05
Speaker 1: founding member of a gun club out in South Windsor,
28:08
Speaker 1: an area in Connecticut, rolling hills, trees, branches, you know,
28:13
Speaker 1: big areas where people go and shoot pheasants. So he
28:16
Speaker 1: founded this club a long time ago, haven't been a
28:19
Speaker 1: member in five to six years. A couple of weeks
28:21
Speaker 1: before Jennifer Dulas goes missing, he contacts the club and says, Hey,
28:25
Speaker 1: I'm interested in getting back involved in the club. Could
28:29
Speaker 1: I have access to the club? Could I come out
28:30
Speaker 1: and poke around and look at the grounds of what
28:34
Speaker 1: you guys have done. Sure, here's where you go. Here's
28:37
Speaker 1: where it is. Six days before Jennifer Duelos goes missing,
28:42
Speaker 1: two guys at the gun club are out Sense and hunting.
28:44
Speaker 1: They find a hole in the ground. It's covered with
28:47
Speaker 1: barbecue grapes. They're like, this is weird. They kick the
28:49
Speaker 1: barbecue grapes off. They look in the hole. It is
28:52
Speaker 1: at the six foot rectangle, so six foot long, three
28:56
Speaker 1: and a half feet deep, two feet wide. Inside the
28:59
Speaker 1: hole is a tarp and two unopened bags of lime.
29:05
Speaker 1: They don't report it to police right away. We don't
29:07
Speaker 1: know why, but eventually, when Jennifer Dulas goes missing, they
29:11
Speaker 1: do call police. Police go out to check out the hole.
29:15
Speaker 1: It's been covered up. It's quote meat as a pen.
29:19
Speaker 1: According to the arrest, wererant and somebody has filled it
29:22
Speaker 1: out because they disrupted whatever had been dug before. So
29:25
Speaker 1: whoever dug the hole and came back to use the
29:28
Speaker 1: hole realized that somebody had discovered the hole because the
29:32
Speaker 1: grapes had been removed and things had been kicked around,
29:35
Speaker 1: so somebody went back and filled the hole. That ties
29:38
Speaker 1: into the conspiracy to commit murder charge. He also was
29:42
Speaker 1: supposed to be an alibi for Fotus and said he
29:44
Speaker 1: hit his head the day that Jennifer went missing. Any
29:48
Speaker 1: cameramember anything crime stories with Nancy Grace. The police found
30:05
Speaker 1: handwritten notes. Detectives call them quote alibi's scripts at Poonus
30:11
Speaker 1: Dulo's home that seemed to show written out in handwriting
30:16
Speaker 1: both his and his mistress, Michelle Tracona's whereabouts and activities
30:21
Speaker 1: on the day Jennifer goes missing May twenty four. Now,
30:25
Speaker 1: Traconis blurts out to cops that she and Dulos woke
30:29
Speaker 1: up together that morning, showered, and had sex. According to
30:33
Speaker 1: Warren's evidence shows that's not true, and in later interviews,
30:37
Speaker 1: Traconis breaks down and admits the alibi quote scripts are
30:42
Speaker 1: faults that she could not vouch for Dulo's whereabouts. Some
30:46
Speaker 1: morning Jennifer is murdered, and that's where the defense lawyer
30:50
Speaker 1: gets pulled into it. Royce Layton, this is a word
30:54
Speaker 1: of warning to you not to get too involved with
30:56
Speaker 1: your creepy clients. The lawyer, Mahenny, third person charged in
31:01
Speaker 1: this case, is now believed to have been involved in
31:05
Speaker 1: an attempt on his own wives life. What do you
31:09
Speaker 1: make if it's lightened. Well, first to the what you're
31:11
Speaker 1: calling the alibi scripts, I call that a timeline to
31:16
Speaker 1: help recollect everything that happened. When a client first comes
31:20
Speaker 1: to me. One of the very first things that I
31:23
Speaker 1: tell them to do is write out everything that you
31:25
Speaker 1: can remember so that way later on we can refer
31:30
Speaker 1: back to it. So it may very well be since
31:33
Speaker 1: he knew that he was being accused in a suspect
31:36
Speaker 1: in his wife's murder, that he and his girlfriend wanted
31:40
Speaker 1: to write out everything that they could remember about their
31:43
Speaker 1: whereabouts so that way later on when they couldn't remember
31:47
Speaker 1: as well, because memory does not improve with time, that
31:52
Speaker 1: they'd be able to recollect where they were and have
31:55
Speaker 1: something to refer back to. Now, as far as the
31:58
Speaker 1: holes in the ground, it's a gun club where Kent
32:00
Speaker 1: Moheeney was a founding member. That doesn't prove anything. We've
32:05
Speaker 1: got holes in the ground that are not connected to
32:08
Speaker 1: any person and then the holes are gone. No bodies
32:13
Speaker 1: were in there, no, no, no person was ever found
32:17
Speaker 1: in there, So that's proof of really nothing. Well wait
32:20
Speaker 1: a minute, choice, Lytton, in your defense attorney world, your
32:24
Speaker 1: alternate universe, why would there be a hole dug in
32:28
Speaker 1: the ground the size of a human body with a
32:30
Speaker 1: tarp and lime? Well, what do you think that was for?
32:34
Speaker 1: You think they were planning some tomatoes or some turnips
32:35
Speaker 1: out there? Who knows. There was also barbecue grates on there.
32:39
Speaker 1: Maybe someone was planning some sort of barbecue. I have
32:42
Speaker 1: no idea what that was for or what somebody was doing,
32:45
Speaker 1: but there was no body there and there was no
32:49
Speaker 1: body connected with it, and there's no proof of who
32:52
Speaker 1: dug it. So I think that that's really a red
32:54
Speaker 1: Harry just happened to be at mhuinney's gun club. Douloso
32:58
Speaker 1: m whinney close for your ship. Through business dealings. Mcuhinney
33:02
Speaker 1: handled real estate closings for Dulo's luxury home building company,
33:06
Speaker 1: The Four Group, Inc. They got closer and closer, especially
33:09
Speaker 1: as they went through highly, highly contentious, bitter divorces and
33:14
Speaker 1: Dulos playing what authorities cops say, played an active role
33:20
Speaker 1: in a liaison a connection between Muenney and his wife
33:24
Speaker 1: trying to set up a quote meeting with his the
33:28
Speaker 1: lawyer's wife. The lawyer's wife even said she was afraid
33:33
Speaker 1: they were going to kill her. Bobby Chicko. Final thoughts, Yeah,
33:36
Speaker 1: I think we have a much clearer picture now than
33:38
Speaker 1: we did several months ago. I think the police work
33:40
Speaker 1: has been excellent in this case, and now with the
33:42
Speaker 1: addition of this civil lawyer, that's been charged. I think
33:45
Speaker 1: we have both what happened before, what happened during, and
33:48
Speaker 1: what was planned after this crime was committed. So I think,
33:52
Speaker 1: you know, it's all supported by the physical and scientific evidence,
33:55
Speaker 1: and I think, you know, I think a jury will
33:57
Speaker 1: have no problem coming to a conviction in this case.
33:59
Speaker 1: I think despite what you know, and Roy's a friend
34:02
Speaker 1: and it's his job to to create these really remote possibilities,
34:07
Speaker 1: I think that the theory of the prosecution is clear.
34:10
Speaker 1: I think that's supported by the forensic evidence and the
34:13
Speaker 1: physical evidence, and so, you know, I think that the
34:16
Speaker 1: police working and the prosecution work has been a really
34:19
Speaker 1: well done. It's been thorough, it's been patient, and I
34:22
Speaker 1: think they'll get a conviction, you know. To Laura Angele
34:24
Speaker 1: Fox needs a National correspondent. Mcwinney's wife, the lawyer Dulos.
34:29
Speaker 1: Lawyer's wife says she felt she was being quote bated,
34:32
Speaker 1: especially by the fact that Dulos kept inviting her back
34:36
Speaker 1: to his private home. She believed her husband wanted her dead.
34:43
Speaker 1: That's what she says. That's what she says. Yes, and
34:46
Speaker 1: you know, to to play the other side of the coin,
34:48
Speaker 1: because that's what we do, you know, Norm Pattis, who
34:52
Speaker 1: is photus attorney, has come out. He gave a lengthy
34:55
Speaker 1: press conflict after Photus was arraigned. He said that they
34:58
Speaker 1: feel confident whether or not that spravado, but he said
35:02
Speaker 1: there's nobody, there is no weapon. What they have here
35:05
Speaker 1: is largely a circumstantial case. We believe we can show
35:08
Speaker 1: that photos Dulos was not involved in his wife's disappearance.
35:12
Speaker 1: When I interviewed him in December, he couldn't speak to
35:14
Speaker 1: the criminal case because he was under a gag order,
35:17
Speaker 1: but he has said previously numerous times that he had
35:20
Speaker 1: nothing to do with her disappearance. Michelle Traconis also has
35:24
Speaker 1: pled not guilty, and so there's a lot now on
35:27
Speaker 1: the plate though, with this new information that has just
35:30
Speaker 1: come out, and I think we're going to continue to
35:32
Speaker 1: get more. We've got the stuff in the arrestaurants, with
35:34
Speaker 1: what they found in the garbage bags. We have these
35:37
Speaker 1: voicemail messages that back up what Kent Winnie's wife said
35:41
Speaker 1: she was terrified. We now hear these voicemail messages. There's
35:45
Speaker 1: a long road to go here. All are supposed to
35:48
Speaker 1: be back in court next month for the next court appearances.
35:50
Speaker 1: None of them have officially pled to these most serious charges,
35:53
Speaker 1: but we are expecting that to happen in February, Laura Engel.
35:56
Speaker 1: And then there's, let me just say, coincidence that Mhuinney's wife,
36:02
Speaker 1: Dulos's lawyer's wife had to call police just before this
36:07
Speaker 1: because there was an intruder where the gas can and
36:10
Speaker 1: a crowbar breaking in her home. Isn't it odd how
36:14
Speaker 1: the minute she files for this divorce and all that's happening,
36:18
Speaker 1: somebody tries to break in her home where the gas
36:21
Speaker 1: can and a crowbar. She's living there and she's the
36:23
Speaker 1: only adult living there. And then she's being lured by
36:26
Speaker 1: Dulo's to have a private meeting at his home and
36:29
Speaker 1: they find a shallow grave Doug at Mhuinney's gun club.
36:33
Speaker 1: One last question, what about Mhuinney's phone pinging off a
36:37
Speaker 1: cell tower near Mountain Spring Road. He was tracked and
36:41
Speaker 1: they were able to get friends of evidence from all
36:43
Speaker 1: of their cell phones about their whereabouts or at least
36:46
Speaker 1: where they had been close to and Muhinney's a cell
36:48
Speaker 1: phone did, for that matter, ping near the gun club
36:51
Speaker 1: around the time that possibly something was done at the
36:55
Speaker 1: gun club at his hand. We don't know, but the
36:58
Speaker 1: eighty Mountain Spring Road was another house that was under
37:01
Speaker 1: development by photos Dulos, And there is a lot of
37:04
Speaker 1: action at that house that has been searched up and
37:09
Speaker 1: torn apart and looked through and tested. But there is
37:12
Speaker 1: a lot of activity at the eighty Mountain Spring Road
37:15
Speaker 1: around the time of Jennifer's disappearance that later that day.
37:19
Speaker 1: The next day, neighbor's reported see hearing some loud pounding
37:23
Speaker 1: noises that woke them up. They didn't know what it was.
37:26
Speaker 1: We can't nobody who's been able to discern what that
37:29
Speaker 1: noise was, But you're right there. He was picked up.
37:32
Speaker 1: His cell phone at least was picked up into that
37:34
Speaker 1: area as well. That shall a grave measured six feet
37:39
Speaker 1: long and three and a half feet deep according to
37:42
Speaker 1: state police, and was covered up by barbecue grates covered
37:46
Speaker 1: with leaves and branches. We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy
37:52
Speaker 1: Gray's crime story, signing off goodbye friend,