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Jags Drive Time: Monday, October 21 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Celebrating twenty five years of Jaguars football. There's the staff,
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  Speaker 1: the placement, the kick is I think he's on the way.
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  Speaker 1: It's like college Jaffuars. Did you know what Jack Warris?
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  Speaker 1: Did you go Jaguarris drive time? Ryan Sex steps to
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  Speaker 1: John Oh, Actually, Jaguarris drive Time starts right now. That's
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  Speaker 1: why when we played with the lead man, Uh, once
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  Speaker 1: we get it, once we get up on the team
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  Speaker 1: ra it's you know, it's gonna be hard to stop
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  Speaker 1: our front four and plus our our box so our
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  Speaker 1: front eight. Uh, you know, we just get after the
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  Speaker 1: ball ground. We made a big invitence this week. God yeah,
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  Speaker 1: turnovers getting that ball out game picks and we have
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  Speaker 1: four today. That was the most we ever ever. Josh
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  Speaker 1: Allen post game in Cincinnati talking about how this team
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  Speaker 1: is tough to beat when they get the lead. We've
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  Speaker 1: talked about it for weeks now. They emphasized it last week.
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  Speaker 1: The team is good when they get a lead, and
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  Speaker 1: we bring in our teel twins Brian and John beat
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  Speaker 1: me over the head. I'm going to use it. Good morning,
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  Speaker 1: Ashlyn Sullivan, Good morning. In a beige mood today is
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  Speaker 1: that it is um Yeah, they they they The problem
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  Speaker 1: with this team has been and it's it's directly related
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  Speaker 1: to the rookie quarterback. Is they haven't played with the
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  Speaker 1: lead much this year. Uh. They had it for a
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  Speaker 1: brief period of time in Week three in Denver, and
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  Speaker 1: then of course they led the entire game against the Titans,
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  Speaker 1: but then they never held it really very early, I guess,
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  Speaker 1: in the game in Carolina, not at all against the
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  Speaker 1: Saint So the goal would be to play with the
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  Speaker 1: lead with the exception of uh, and you're right, but
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be more right with the exception that I
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  Speaker 1: haven't game. Yeah, with the exception of the Tennessee game.
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  Speaker 1: Entering yesterday, they had led for four teen minutes and
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  Speaker 1: fifty two seconds. Never except against Denver was the only
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  Speaker 1: time they held the lead, and they never quite got
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  Speaker 1: They almost in that Denver game, if you remember, got
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  Speaker 1: to the point where they were teeing off from the
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  Speaker 1: quarterback and then they couldn't quite get an eight point
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  Speaker 1: lead to make it and then I Denver had the
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  Speaker 1: last drive. But except for that, they have been dominant
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  Speaker 1: with the lead. The problem is you didn't know because
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  Speaker 1: they had only been the Tennessee game against Tennessee. They
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  Speaker 1: get a lead, they had nine sacks. Again, Cincinnati, they
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  Speaker 1: get a lead, they get four turnovers. That's where the
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  Speaker 1: defense has been missing. That's where it's been is. It
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  Speaker 1: hasn't had a chance to have a lead. And uh,
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  Speaker 1: we'll get to Josh Allen's that's one of the ozone questions.
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  Speaker 1: But very quietly, really impressive the shack that he had.
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  Speaker 1: I was standing in the end zone watching it. He
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  Speaker 1: took the let the right tackle and literally picked him
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  Speaker 1: up and put him on his heels and walked him
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  Speaker 1: back before dumping him. And you were glad you were
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  Speaker 1: in Andy Dalton at dead. It's hard to overstate just
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  Speaker 1: how big Josh Allen is when he's got his arms out,
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  Speaker 1: his long, long arms, big hands, big shoulders, and when
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  Speaker 1: he took Andy Dalton down, it hurt hurt me way right. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that looks good outfit pick. Guys. All right, let's get
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  Speaker 1: into big things. Big thing one is must win. Yesterday's
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  Speaker 1: game was a must win and it does not change
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  Speaker 1: this week against the Jets. Coming off a short week.
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  Speaker 1: Gardnerman she postgame talked about what went right and what
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  Speaker 1: you need to work on this week. We moved the
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  Speaker 1: ball all day. Um, you know at a bunch of yards,
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  Speaker 1: ran the ball really well, control of the clock too,
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  Speaker 1: care of the ball. So there's a lot of positive
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  Speaker 1: to take from it. Um. You know, we clean some
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  Speaker 1: things up in the red zone and you know they
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  Speaker 1: is a close game, you know, so there's stuff we
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  Speaker 1: can work on and stuff we're gonna work on. Big
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  Speaker 1: thing too is bunches. Four takeaways yesterday, three interceptions, one fumble.
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  Speaker 1: They talked about it all week. It's gonna come in bunches.
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  Speaker 1: It came yesterday. D J. Hayden's keep them coming. Hey, turnover,
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  Speaker 1: they come in bunches. You know, we had got one,
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  Speaker 1: we got a strip and then they just started coming.
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  Speaker 1: So hopefully we can keep it up, keep his momentum
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  Speaker 1: rolling in the next week. And we got to that,
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  Speaker 1: and we got to that, and we got that and
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  Speaker 1: just keep you rolling. The big thing three is that
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  Speaker 1: to do list this week. A few things you need
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  Speaker 1: to work on. Number one is red zone production one
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  Speaker 1: of six sevent third down conversion. They struggled bid time
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  Speaker 1: yesterday past protection and you gotta get something out of
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  Speaker 1: that tight end. We've been talking about it. We thought
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  Speaker 1: maybe we'd see Josh Oliver. We didn't really see much
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  Speaker 1: of him at all. I think he was targeted once passed,
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  Speaker 1: was sort of low in a way going forward. That's
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  Speaker 1: what you need to work on this week. I think
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  Speaker 1: the interesting question is we talked about the to do
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  Speaker 1: list in red zone production, is is it getting Nick
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  Speaker 1: Foles back in the lineup? Did you see from Menshoe
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  Speaker 1: yesterday a guy who was good enough to win, which,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, for a rookie quarterback on the road,
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  Speaker 1: I mean give him his credit twice in the No. No,
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  Speaker 1: he's two on the road, he's three and three overall.
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  Speaker 1: I mean he's there's a lot to like about where
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  Speaker 1: he's at, except he looked a bit indecisive. Help the
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  Speaker 1: ball just just long enough to miss on some things.
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  Speaker 1: And in the red zone, you know, it stood out
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  Speaker 1: even more so as good as they played, as dominant
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  Speaker 1: and they were racking up yards. When the red zone
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  Speaker 1: came around and you're one of six, the finger goes
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  Speaker 1: right to the quarterback. Well it does, and I believe
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  Speaker 1: the game would have been dramatically different had the fourth
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  Speaker 1: and one work, because that as soon as they didn't
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  Speaker 1: get that and at the fourth and one on the
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  Speaker 1: first drive, I said, oh boy, I might be right.
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  Speaker 1: And if you remember last Friday, you were saying no
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  Speaker 1: way since and he can win this game. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: sure enough, I never felt like they could still at
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  Speaker 1: seven six and ten nine yesterday they had a shot,
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  Speaker 1: They had a shot, but it still didn't feel as
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  Speaker 1: if the Jaggers are going to lose that game, mainly
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  Speaker 1: because they were thirteen people in the stands. But it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't hurt, yeah, but I do. I do think there
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  Speaker 1: are a couple of reasons for the big things we saw.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, red zone. I think it is going
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  Speaker 1: back to the fact that as a rookie quarterback you
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  Speaker 1: have less in your repertoire as you as you get
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  Speaker 1: near the goal line, it gets harder. There's less you
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  Speaker 1: do well, there's less you've seen before and a lot
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  Speaker 1: of times that's experienced. That's the hardest thing offensively to
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  Speaker 1: get through. As far as the takeaways, the reason they
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  Speaker 1: come in bunches is simple, and Doug Moron said after
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  Speaker 1: the game he thought that was b s it's a cliche.
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  Speaker 1: It's not for this reason. When you get one turnover,
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  Speaker 1: you're often taking the lead with it, or it gets
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  Speaker 1: late in the game when Turner was coming bunches, they
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  Speaker 1: come late like they did yesterday. Jaguars got up, they
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  Speaker 1: got a break, they got to turn over, and all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden they knew the Bengals had to throw,
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  Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you could tee off on.
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  Speaker 1: But Myles Jack's interception was a big, big, big time
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  Speaker 1: point because they were going in from the ten yard
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  Speaker 1: line with an opportunity, and it was big time vision, athleticism,
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  Speaker 1: all this stuff you want from him. He's not playing
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  Speaker 1: as bad as people think. He's getting hammered right now
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  Speaker 1: and he's really playing pretty well. The thing about it,
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  Speaker 1: the Dragonars only got two sacks. They didn't get pressure
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  Speaker 1: until after miles. I mean, they were getting rid of
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  Speaker 1: the ball quickly, and they got into a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of a rhythm in the second quarter, in the second half.
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  Speaker 1: But Andy Dalton got spooked that one interception. All of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden. Now he's feeling the pressure after Avery Jones
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  Speaker 1: plants him, and he's wanting to get rid of the
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  Speaker 1: ball as fast as he possibly can, and he made
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  Speaker 1: some really bad decisions and really quickly. And did anybody
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  Speaker 1: ever take advantage of a sack like Avery Jones did?
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  Speaker 1: With a celebration. I kind of like that the what
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  Speaker 1: was it kind of or planned out? I'm available for dancing. Also,
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  Speaker 1: what are they going to do at linebacker? At one
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  Speaker 1: point at the end of the game, you Jared Wilson
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  Speaker 1: playing linebacker's Quincy Williams, nanj Good and DJ Alexander I'll
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  Speaker 1: go out at one point in the game. Yeah, And
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  Speaker 1: it sounded like at least two of those were turf toes.
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  Speaker 1: Um if I was reading Doug Rider, maybe one turf
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  Speaker 1: tail one foot Um, I think it was DJ was
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  Speaker 1: immediately made doubtful to come back. That's usually not a
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  Speaker 1: good sign. Turf toe is using not a good sign
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  Speaker 1: because it that sounds like not a lot. But we
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  Speaker 1: all know from you're on the league it can be
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  Speaker 1: a two or three week injury. So you know, Quincy's
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  Speaker 1: hamstring holds up, and uh, what do you do? You
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  Speaker 1: go get guys. Yeah, you're gonna have to because Levon
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  Speaker 1: Bell is coming in this week with the Jets and
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  Speaker 1: he is a guy who puts a lot of stress
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  Speaker 1: on the linebackers. Um, that's a big thing. One must win.
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  Speaker 1: They got it done this week. The Jets coming off
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  Speaker 1: a short week, it's a must win again this week.
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  Speaker 1: The good news is they got it done. The bad
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  Speaker 1: news is this game is tougher. I mean, you we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna see we saw them last week against the Cowboys.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna see just how good they are tonight against
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  Speaker 1: the Patriots. I don't expect them to win, but if
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  Speaker 1: it's a close game, I mean, you're going to see
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  Speaker 1: the maturation process in action with Sam Donald, who last
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  Speaker 1: year kind of showed us what he was capable of
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  Speaker 1: and in the Dallas game, man, he was fantastic. You
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  Speaker 1: saw a team yesterday mostly because of the quarterback and
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  Speaker 1: because of some aging players on the team that feels
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  Speaker 1: like it's drifting until it figures out what it's gonna
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  Speaker 1: do offensively moving forward, until the figure out exact Taylor
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  Speaker 1: is gonna be the guy long term, and until they
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  Speaker 1: figure out if a J you know, not not a J. Graham, Sorry,
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  Speaker 1: Andy Dalton. Feels like the whole process is on its
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  Speaker 1: last legs. You're gonna see the opposite on Sunday. They
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  Speaker 1: were without Sam Donald for a couple of weeks. They
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  Speaker 1: believe with Sam Donald they're good. They believe they're going forward.
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  Speaker 1: So whatever the records coming gonna be and I'm assuming
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  Speaker 1: they'll have one win coming in, but they're not going
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  Speaker 1: to behave like a one win team, meaning when you
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  Speaker 1: get them down, it's not gonna be like, oh, we're
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  Speaker 1: not very good. They still have a lot to prove.
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  Speaker 1: They still feel like they're in the beginnings of something
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  Speaker 1: moving forward. Well. On the defensive side, they get C. J.
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  Speaker 1: Mosley back, and he was one of their prime targets
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  Speaker 1: in free agency to give a big check to bring
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  Speaker 1: him away from the Baltimore Ravens. So they're getting healthier. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: they were a team that had postseason aspirations or at
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  Speaker 1: least challenge jing for them. So Sunday's game, if you
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  Speaker 1: have three and four against one in five, people are
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  Speaker 1: going to go gotta watch that game. But it could
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  Speaker 1: be one of the best games on Sunday. With two
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  Speaker 1: gun quarterbacks if they can both play well, and two
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  Speaker 1: running backs by the way in for Net and Levy
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  Speaker 1: on Bell and too, defenses that are capable of playing well.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of reasons to watch the game on
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  Speaker 1: Sunday and both something to believe it. But if you're good,
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  Speaker 1: if you're going to the postseason, you gotta win. You
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  Speaker 1: beat one win teams at home. Even if it's tough.
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  Speaker 1: Oh definitely. Man. I was just happy to see those
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  Speaker 1: those guys get turnovers. Ronnie d J. We were talking
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  Speaker 1: about it since yesterday about you know, somebody getting to
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  Speaker 1: verse for the Jaguars defense yesterday. As we get into
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  Speaker 1: some highlights, we start in the second quarter, whereas John
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  Speaker 1: liked to say, you gave the Bengals a chance. And
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  Speaker 1: this is when you said the defense needs to step
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  Speaker 1: up here, schucker down team John drives checks it to
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  Speaker 1: the one be able to finish drive to this part
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  Speaker 1: of the field, chucking down the gold touch John X.
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  Speaker 1: So it it's safe to say that if if he
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  Speaker 1: just if, if boy just makes the tackle, there it
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  Speaker 1: different game. Yes, people are going in a half time.
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  Speaker 1: Just make the tackle, Just make the tackle. For a while,
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  Speaker 1: I thought I was gonna have to you started helping
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  Speaker 1: Alex Aarrison write his Hall of Fame speech. I thought,
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  Speaker 1: the greatest player I ever seen. Well, he got away
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  Speaker 1: from Jack in the middle of field, which set up
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  Speaker 1: that drive. And then you know, they get the Bengals
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  Speaker 1: in first and fifteen and just like that, Boy has
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  Speaker 1: him right to the sideline for five or six yard
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  Speaker 1: game and he just misses. But that's the kind of touchdown,
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  Speaker 1: kind of moment that when you have frittered away opportunities
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  Speaker 1: early gets a team back. The Bengals played to the
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  Speaker 1: formula that a a bad team has to do to
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  Speaker 1: beat a better team. They just weren't good enough to
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  Speaker 1: finish out the form to the point of that touchdown.
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  Speaker 1: Before that drive started, they had twenty yards in the
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  Speaker 1: first twenty one little thing changed it. They completely dominated
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  Speaker 1: the game, the Jaguars, And that's the that's the best
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  Speaker 1: formula for an upset. In that situation, when a team
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  Speaker 1: dominates and can't score, and the team scores and comes easy,
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  Speaker 1: usually the other team has a chance to get some
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  Speaker 1: momentum and get away. And uh, you think it was
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  Speaker 1: just just aren't good enough to do that right now?
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  Speaker 1: The Jaguars played with fire yesterday, all right. See come
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  Speaker 1: back at halftime. You have two hundred more yards an
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  Speaker 1: offense in the Bengals, and you hold them to minus
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  Speaker 1: two rushing yards. You're losing by a point entering the
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  Speaker 1: third quarter in d. J. Hayden shifts all the momentum
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  Speaker 1: towards the Jaguars. Bill setled down on twenty two outside
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  Speaker 1: boy first catch here slips by hell and staggers are
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  Speaker 1: hell not free. DJ Haydon made that and it's a
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  Speaker 1: turnover and it's picked up. But exactly what they needed
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  Speaker 1: right then. Ronnie Harrison was he was the guy yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: He mene the interception and the fort the fumbled recovery.
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  Speaker 1: He's quiet lee not so quietly yesterday. He's starting to feel,
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  Speaker 1: you know, his spot in that secondary and and now
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  Speaker 1: it's even more clear with the other guy gone. You
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  Speaker 1: know that he's got to be that playmaker. Yeah, he does,
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  Speaker 1: and U D J Hayden. I was thinking about this
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  Speaker 1: last night as I was trying to put some stories
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  Speaker 1: together A J Boy, D J Hayden, UH and Clays Campbell.
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  Speaker 1: I can't put DJ quite in that category as a
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  Speaker 1: nickel because they the two were so key to get
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  Speaker 1: in the AFT Championship game that year. But DJ Hayden's
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  Speaker 1: about to move into a group of some of the
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  Speaker 1: best you know, free agent signings for this franchise ever.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he has been exceptional this year from the
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  Speaker 1: nickel to the point where you know, you've got twelve
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  Speaker 1: thirteen starters in the NFL. Really it's not eleven with situations.
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  Speaker 1: But is is he the defensive MVP right now? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he might be playing as well as anybody in the defense.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard from that spot to be that because there's
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  Speaker 1: so many other impact plays. But he if he plays
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  Speaker 1: poorly yesterday, they lose the game because his plays helped
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  Speaker 1: turn the game in the fourth quarter. I know in
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  Speaker 1: Carolina a few weeks ago, as he was trying the
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  Speaker 1: foot out that there were coaches who were standing their
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  Speaker 1: intent on trying to figure out whether he was going
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  Speaker 1: to play. It wasn't just a head coach. The trainer
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  Speaker 1: comes over and says, yeah, he's not gonna be able
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  Speaker 1: to go to Todd Washing was standing out there with
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  Speaker 1: his defensive staff watching him. He lost in last year's
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  Speaker 1: troubles was the fact that he was going for that
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  Speaker 1: long stretch with the toe as well, because they went
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  Speaker 1: from having really good play at nickel with Aaron coleman
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  Speaker 1: by the year before to not having really anybody fill
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  Speaker 1: in that spot. And you know, I really like Darren Colevin,
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  Speaker 1: you know, um, it was a very good player for
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  Speaker 1: this team. DJ is a significant upgrade at that spot.
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  Speaker 1: And that's hard to do because Aaron is really good.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the fourth quarter. Biegals aren't
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: gonna cut it at this point. It's the best offensive
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: drive we saw from Gardner Minshoo yesterday. The touchdown to
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: little sucking a season to touch Tom Throll Sharks today.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: A veteran move. If you see mensh you look off
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: to the right and then come right back and throw it.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: I mean he just locked up the corner outside. He
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: couldn't double on Conmay And as soon as you talk,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: you know, we go over and over the red zone.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: Were trying to analyze the game, you go different directions
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: with it. Um as rough as it was in the
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: red zone for a lot of the game. Those were
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: two really good red zone plays. He's hitting it. I
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: forget what the first one out the past the hole
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: was at two yard or no, it was a little
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: bit longer than that, but he yeah, once you're inside
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: the center. But I thought it slipped out of his
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: hand because the sun in the press box. I was
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: sort of spoofing the play of Oh my goodness, what happened.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: But it was a really good play in terms of timing. Um,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: he's got some touch. I've got a hot take coming
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: up about the quarterback situation, so I'll save it this Um.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: But he's still so interesting in terms of the way
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: you play. I don't think he's there yet. But then
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: he has moments like in the red zone late in
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: the game yesterday where he makes some plays that those
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: are It's hard to throw the ball into the end
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: zone from that close, and he did a nice job
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: two times in a row, and it really mattered. How
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: could he be there? Yet? We forget he was a
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: sixth round pick that showed us nothing in August, and
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: nobody thought that he was going to be a factor
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: at all. And now he's got this team at three
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: and four, he's three and three, he's two and two
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: on the road, he's one and one at home. And
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: this is the tough stretch for him right where teams
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: now all of a sudden have enough of a book
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: on him. The defensive coordinators can put things in that
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: he hasn't seen before. If I had said when Folds
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: got hurt, Brian would have leish that too. I don't
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: think I can hit that note like you do. However,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: I do get I'm with you. I said to someone
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: last night. He could have this team four and four
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: going to London with a chance to finish the nine
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: games five and four with a winning record. He'd be
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: five and three is the starter if he win to
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: the next two before we have to make the decision
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: on the quarterback. And not only would teams take that
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: from a rookie backup, teams would take that from a
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: number one overall pick that you were starting off the
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: bat three and three, four and four. You hope if
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: you're playing a first round rookie quarterback that you get
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: eight and eight out of it, because usually it's disaster.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: So credited the kid. Yeah, that Keeling Colt. We were
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: standing right there and we talked about it in rapid recap.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Brian and I let go of the ball. It's like,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: oh no. But then Keelan Connor said it was on perfect.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: It wasn't a true wheel route, it was an abbreviated
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: wheel rout. But he came underneath, he went right to
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: this body. Knew where the ball was. He absolutely and
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: he turned the cornerback around. Turned out to be to
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: be wheel important. You're on it today. This is this
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: is what we play with every Monday morning. So just
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: put this guy Monday morning. All right, let's go unique
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: in gock Way putting the game away for the Jacks.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: He's got to see he struggled with that jump. That
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: was tough to get up there. Clearly he didn't decide
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: to jump until he was out of the end zone.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: That was what that one was. Um. I don't know
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: if Tavin Bryan gets any credit or has gotten enough
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: credit for really making that play happen. They did a
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: little end stunt and he came around the end so
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: quickly and Dalton turns like who is this guy? And
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: had to loft the ball a little higher than he
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: wanted to and it's set up and got way perfectly. Yeah,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: it was a It was a past when it first happens.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: We saw a few gys from bordles um, but it's
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: a past when it first happens. To go, how in
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: the world did that happen? You know? But then when
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: you go back and look at it, you see, well,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: it was the pressure that created it, and it was
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: an awful looking play. But you understood after you after
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: you watched the past, if you watched the rush from
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: tavn uh why it came off? Whatever accolades. Then Goquade
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: gets and he did his locker room yesterday. Most of
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: the credit on that play goes to Taven. He forced
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: the issue and Taban had a pretty darn good day.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Get four or five tackles. There was one where he
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: was on his knees and Joe Mixon ran his direction
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: and he reached out and just stone walled him. I
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: think Mixon ended up falling forward for a half a yard. Um.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: It's worth pointing out the Bengals had twenty rushes for
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: thirty three yards. Andy Dalton had all thirty three yards.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: He had four for thirty three. The other three people
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: who carried the ball, including Joe Mixon, combined sixteen rushing
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: attempts zero yards. Yeah, credit to the Jaguars for that.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: On a side note, that's a real issue trend in
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Cincinnati that people are wondering about. You had Joe Mixton
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: last year who was AFC's leading rusher, and they can't
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: even come close to get him going. Again. Credit the Jaggs.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: We're doing what they did yesterday, but there's got to
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: be some questions offensively about what you're trying to do
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: if you can't get Jim Mixing involved. I do think though,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: that there was a trend the Jaguars since giving up
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: all those yards to Christian McCaffrey and the Panthers. The
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: last or two weeks ago, they they held the Saints
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: and Alvin kamara uh to a hundred yards I think
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: a hundred and four yards, and then yesterday what they
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: did against Joel Mixon, and I get I mean Joel
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Mixon the week before against the Ravens head eight rushing
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: attempts for ten yards. He's not the same guy he
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: was last year, but still the Jaguars have improved against
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: the run the last two weeks well. As we talked about,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: as infuring as infuriating as it is for fans to
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: hear this when it's gap control stuff like it was
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: against Carolina, Historically, you can fix it with just better
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: discipline and it's usually not a wheels off sort of situation.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: I also think Miles jack has benefited for the most
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: part from having nag Good next to him, a more
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: experienced guy. He was making up for some things that
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: he was trying to help Quincy do. Uh. Once Quincy
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: gets that worked out, I think you will see Miles
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: play better and new overall defense play better. It was
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: it was mostly Quincy early in that Carolina. Yeah, you
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: gotta keep it going because you have laby On Bill
• 23:06
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• 23:09
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• 25:27
  Speaker 1: will sound coming from me, because I have preached the
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: fact that Leonard for Nett is not the type of
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: back who will play sixteen games because of his physical,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: bruising style. I watched him run out of bounce a
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: couple of times and not take the hit yesterday. He's
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: not been on the injury report at all yet this year.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: I'm well, okay, if you believe in such things. Um,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: he's averaging a hundred and two hundred three yards games,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: so we've got seven and fifteen yards at that pace.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: If he can play the remaining nine games of the
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: regular season, he will break the Jaguars single season rushing record,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: which was set by Maurice Jones Drew in two thousand
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: and eleven when he had one thousand, six d and six.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go right out here and say that
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: he will challenge for that title before this whole thing
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: is said and done. If he misses a game, he'll
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: still challenge because he'll get himself into a position where
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: he'll be close enough to go for it at the
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: end of the year. But the way he's running, he
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: made a couple of guys miss with his hips yesterday,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: and I just I hadn't seen that him because he
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: was a guy who said, oh, you're in front of me,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: let me run over you, let me introduce you to
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: my wheels. And yesterday he used his hips and made
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: guys miss. And that was kind of the knock on
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: him coming out of l Sue was he didn't have
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: a whole lot of flexibility in his hips. He wasn't
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: gonna make you miss. He's making guys miss. He's running
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: out of bounds where there is no more yardage to gain,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: saving his body, and well like right here, just fine,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: not gonna take the hip. And if he keeps doing that,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: he'll challenge for the Jaguar single season rushing record. Yeah,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: cople of things. It seemed like he quietly had a
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: hundred and thirty yesterday, And that's what it takes to
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: get up into that stratosphere of of great running seasons.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: You're not always going to have the two head against
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Denver where it's just unbelievable. Um, he's average a hundred
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: games and throughout the court. You know, a thousand yards
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: used to be the gauge for a great NFL rushing season,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: and once you got the sixteen games, that sort of
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: went away. But but the gauge for greatness for a
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: great running back has always been if you average hundred
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: yards of game, if you were over fourteen when they
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: played fourteen games, whatever, you're having a great season. Um,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: I'm surprised it's this good. I'm surprised it's this consistent,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: and it's reached the point in the last two or
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: three games where you almost don't think about it anymore.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: When he's running well and when the running offense is
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: going well, and what I still can't quite figure out
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: me it's the hot take for later in the week.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: I can't figure out if the offensive line is any
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: good or not. I mean, well, no, they And I
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: guess what I meant by that is they're playing well
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: in spots, they're clear in holes when he's running, he's
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: got some holes, and then they turn around the next
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: play and there's a pass blocking breaker. It's still so inconsistent,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: but it's it's healthy except for Cam. And you do
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: wonder are you seeing something where they're starting to put
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: it together and we're just sort of remembering some bad games.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: The line is going to be intrigued going forward. I
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: wonder if they might be okay. And you wondered about
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: that in the opposite direction. Early in the season. Sure,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: I thought the offensive plant at least played better. Oh
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: they did. I mean they struggled inside with one guy,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Gino Atkins, who has made a lot of people look fooler.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: She had two sacks, and his success created the opportunity
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: for Sam Hubbard and I don't even know who the
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: other defensive end was who created pressure in a couple
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: of instances that made Gardner get rid of the ball
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: too quick. And what you wonder, I'm sorry, Brian Atkins,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: does that what you wonder about the pass blocking in
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: this day and age, it's it's hard to get a
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: completely clean pocket where a quarterback just has time to
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: sit back there and brush the teeth and throw. I mean,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: that's that's rare. So you wonder if some of the
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: pressure that we're blaming on the offensive line is because
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Minshi is still young. He sort of dances a little
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: bit almost by instinct. So when Folds gets back and
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: that's sort of teas in mind, here we go. Um,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: you wonder if that timing and veteran getting rid of
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: the ball that he has will help the offensive line.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: And now it's time for John's what hot take? Okay? Um,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: I was wrong. That's Arthur Fonds are rally by the
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: way for you, Ashlyn. Two weeks ago, Fonzie Ashland, Yeah, yeah,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: we get two weeks ago. I said you gotta have
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Minshew be the guy. All that I was caught up
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: and I was caught up in the wave and the
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: wave what it dumped me out on the beach and
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: now I'm just a mess laying on the beach in
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: a swim trunk. Because it's gotta be not speaks, it's homeless.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: It's gotta be foals coming back. And Minshew might be
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: the m v P of the team right now. We
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: talked about earlier. He's gotten you three wins where you
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: didn't have any idea who's gonna get to three wins.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Any team in the league would take its quarterback back
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: up rookie coming in and getting you three wins, keeping
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: a float. If he wins on Sunday, he's definitely the
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: first half m v P. And yet I think you've
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: got to go back to Folds because you've got to
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: see if Folds in the second half of the season
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: is what you signed him for, minshe will have set
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: him up and it's almost like the relief you know,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: by the middle relief pitcher handing off to close and
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: say go close it out. It doesn't mean that Minshi'
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: is not gonna have a great career, but I think
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: in this situation, there's no question. If it continues like this,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: you've got to go back to neck Well. First of all,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: a rookie sixth round pick who didn't flash at all
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: in the preseason comes in and keeps you within a
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: game of the lead in the division. Unh phenomenal. So
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. Um I thought yesterday went out at
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: on the field and I watched Nick Foles throw and
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: he was throwing to a collection of guys and he
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: was man, I mean, he was sharp. Um I. I
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: still marveled that a guy who's what five six weeks
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: from you know, collar bone surgery could look so good.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: And all I could think of was if he had
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: played yesterday, the game wouldn't have been his place because
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: he would have taken advantage of those situations. So, you know,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: we talked at one point about what do you do
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: if Minsho keeps playing well? Well, look, the Jaguars plan
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: before the season was Nick Foles. And it wasn't just
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: this season, it was next year and maybe the next
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: two years beyond that. Right, it was a minimum of
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: two seasons. You cannot abandon the plane, can't. You have
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: to go back to the plan. And you know, there's
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: there's a reason why you brought Nick Foles in. He
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: brings so much to the locker room. You know, with
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: with a personality like the other guy who's now on
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: the other coast has um. You know, the locker room
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: always had this sort of a serbic quality to it.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: I can see Nick Foles taking over once he's playing
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: and the locker room rising in terms of the personality
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: of it, the character of it, everything about Nick said,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: he your guy, and I think that this team should
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: be excited about it. Nothing against, nothing against, nothing against.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: It's been phenomenal. But now if I'm the coach, I
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: stand up on a good look. He was unbelievable. Now
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: we're gonna give him a chance to learn from the bench,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: and then you're back to that problem. This franchise has
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: always had too much quality at quarter va and you
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: deal with it, and you deal with it if and
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: when you have to, uh, and you might have to.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: You never know, right, And it will benefit Gardner watching
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: from the bench the second half of the season if
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: that does play out for the case. We've all been
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: around him enough to know he's not going to take
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: that personal way. I don't think so. All right, Brian,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: you're gonna like this hot take, all right. The Jaguars,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: they need to get something done with Unique and Dockway,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: and I decided this would be my hot take because
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: he was given it to me yesterday in the locker
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: room post game when he said, Brian, well you said
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: I was undersized, and I haven't changed my opinion on that. However,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: well you go ahead and finish, and then I have
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: a hotter hot take, which means that, yes, Unique Dockway
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: is a loyal viewer of Jaguars Drive Time and indeed
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: did here Brian Sexton call him undersize a defensive and
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: but let me get to my hot and I say,
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: they have to get something done because after watching the
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Prime Time call yesterday with Jalen Ramsey and how poorly
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: that was handled on Jalen's party, if you haven't seen,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be all over Twitter saying how I'm trying
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: to go the whole show without saying his name part
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: of the hot tap the other guy. Yes, the Rams
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: training staff apparently is great, his backs all better, everything's great,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: And I can't help but think Unique and Gockway has
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: handled this so well because he's not quiet about wanting
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: a new contract. We all know he wants it. He's
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: honest in the locker room, but he doesn't make it
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: known across all social media platforms and across the country
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: that he wants a new contract, and he's upset about it.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: We all know he is, but it's business first. He's
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: handled this so well. He's not a guy that's going
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: to change. I think when you pay him, I think
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: it will elevate his game even more so. And it's
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: time to get it done. All right. Let me ask
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: a couple of questions, help me to set the record straight.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Did I ever say they shouldn't pay him because he's
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: not any good? No? Okay. Did I say they shouldn't
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: pay him because you can't afford to pay everybody? Yes? Okay.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Did I say that they should keep the money to
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: pay Jalen Ramsey? And once Jalen Ramsey made his intention
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: to get out, did I say, now pay this guy? Yes.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: I would make a little posted card and give it
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: to him, just and and and he smiled about it,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: and we had a good conversation about it later. The
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: fact of the matter is is that um the oversized corner,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: which is what the other guy is against, the undersized
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: defensive end, especially when you drafted an oversized defensive and
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: that's just logic that's just business, and Unique gets it.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Now you're in a position where you've got a dynamic playmaker.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: I still don't think they give him twenty million dollars
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: a year. I think you should have taken the deal
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: they offered him. Um, but you'll get your money Unique,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: And I did say he deserved to get paid from somebody.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: I just didn't think this team should. With Jalen Ramsey
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: sitting at that said it, I wish you hadn't have
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: said it the other guy. He's now gone. You don't
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: have to worry about it. Okay, three things. I hope
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: I can remember them all because very good memory. First, No, no,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: I didn't mean that. Um. First, I don't know if
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: they'll be able to reach the deal with Yon. I
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: think would be harder than people think, because they felt
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: like they win as high with Joan as they could.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think it was all about Jalen, but
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: I still wonder if it's gonna be as easy as
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: just pay the guy. Second, I hope it is for
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: this reason. And I only have two thoughts. Um, he
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: produces despite whatever other stuff there is about undersized, and
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: he's not fraudulent. He's real When he says that he
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: loves the game and loves his teammates and wants to
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: win first. He goes out and he means it. The
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: other guy. Give me a break with the stuff of
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: if Jalen was really mad about what Tom Coughlin's said
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: about being here in the off season, grow up? How
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: much did that really hurt anything? I get that never
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: probably shouldn't have said it about the about the being
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: here in the o t so Mada. I'm spitting um it.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: When's the last time an NFL player, any kind of
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: a football player, never got reprimanded by a coach, never
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: got yelled at. People get yelled at all the time.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: John yells me every day. If that's the reason you
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: abandon your teammate, then I would rather pay Yon double
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: whatever I was gonna pay jail. I think now the
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: other guy on the other coast has been exposed to
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: the rest of the league. We all know who he
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: is and what he's about. You tolerated it when when
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: he was in your locker room because he's such a
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: great player. But now that he's gone, you can see
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: the distinct benefits to your cap, to your draft compensation.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: And I think to the character the locker room overall,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: because I think when Nick goes in there, he'll fill
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: that space. And he's a high care your guy. Let's
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: give you need credit, high character guy. Right. The way
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: he's handled this situation coming in and playing you said
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: genuine remarkable. It is remarkable, and I smiled yesterday and
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: we're kind of going back and forth about it, but
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: the fact is now he's that next guy you pay.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: But you're right, he wants to be paid that rarefied
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: air money and you you can't just write the blank check,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: but you know it's equally important to him truly being
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: great and playing football. He's going to be unique. You're
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: going to be fabulously wealthy. Fabulously wealthy, whether you're oversized
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: or undersized. Who goes through life without being yelled at
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: doing We're both gonna yell at at Ashland about something
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: here in the next break to see how the youngster
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: responds because she's part of that millennial generation. Come back, Christ,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: you guys are so mean. Could you do that high
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: pitch thing again? Now I'm gonna go be someone else's reporter.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: You guys are mean, all right, mail bag time, here
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: we go. We got mbe moves to my song. I
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: thought the day would never come. J T. Fort Worth,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: he must have been listening earlier. Definitely think the team
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: goes back to Folds once he's healthy. Menshoos holding it
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: down though for now well and I included this in
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: this because of the holding down the fort. And yes,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: in a sense he's held down the fort, but as
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: we've discussed, me to stay on the top for long,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: he's done so much more than hold down the fort.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Any team from it would take three and three from
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: any rookie quarterback, no matter where drafted. Uh, he has
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: been remarkable. They should give him a big fat bonus.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Sorry shot um, but you know, for a job well done.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: And uh but I think everybody was you have to
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: act Folds. But what a remarkable story he has been.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: And if he can win one of the next two,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: I think he might win both of the next new
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: But if he wan't, we if we can be one
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: of the next two, will have overachieved to a remarkable level.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: I have to say. I turned to Fred when Minshew
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: took the field against Kansas City. Was sitting with Fred
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Taylor in the north end zone and I said, we're screwed.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: This kid did nothing in August. This team is in trouble.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: I thought this team was headed for Bengals. Right, there's
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: talent all over it, I get it. But that kid
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: didn't show me anything in August that led me to believe.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: In fact, I think I've said this three or four times.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Doug Morow told us in our Wednesday television preseason production
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: meeting that Shelen and I were in that he hadn't
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: even heard the backup spot concretely yet, right. So to
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: do what he's done is phenomenal. But Foles needs to
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: be back in the starting lineup because you built your
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: plan not just for this year, but for the next
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: few years around him and financially and otherwise. You cannot
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: abandon that. And the number one the number one trait
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: for Minton. He showed it again yesterday. The short memory
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: they talk about is absolutely phenomenal. He platokay in spots,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: but going into the fourth quarter he could have lost
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: confidence hadn't got in the red zone and etcetera, etcetera.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: But you never watch him thinking he's in the tank,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: and for a young quarterback, that's remarkable. He has a future,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: He has a future here in Jacksonville. It's just not
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: the immediate president. Well, it's the immediate president. It's it's
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: the short term word. Nick comes back. Stick to the plan,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: stick to the plane. All right, what do we got, Glenn? Well,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: then John looks like sexting got one right, Unique for
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: six Jack. This hurt. I mean on a level, I've
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: lived a tough life, Sharna, and I've I've seen heartache.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: This hurt because Brian was right, and I forgot all
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: I read this this morning that I had said that
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: he might that's because you were saying stuff at the law.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: Of course, he forgot. That's what we do. That's what
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: we do. We throw things. Here's what might right. I
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: just I got the feeling over the last couple of weeks.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Though he was close. He was close to a couple
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: of sacks. He was close to a couple of strips
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: um And if I didn't like Unique, I wouldn't have
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: picked him for this. So and I smiled at him
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: and made that point to but it just felt like
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: he was gonna was do for a big play. I
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: didn't know whether it was going to be this, but
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: I guessed, and I guessed right. Folks, sometimes you choose
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: black when you're at the roulette wheel, sometimes you choose red.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: I chose red and I won always black. What deed
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: do I say red? Because he plays angry? I love
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: that about it. All right, let's go Anthony from Columbia. John,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: all of this attention on Jalen Minshew for net in
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: d J. Chark is causing my man to be overlooked.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: He has five sacks in the last five games. Yeah,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: and it's obviously about Josh Allen, and he's exactly right. Somehow,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: there's a pass restaurant this team who has five sacks
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: in five games. I think the stat that Tad Dickman
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: sent out was that that's the most through seven games
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: since Henderson in Well, when you're up in a league
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: with John Henderson, when you're up in a league with
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: any of the pass rusher, you know, when you're setting
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: pass rushing records on this team, there's been enough flashes
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: of it where that's impressive. Um. The impressive thing is
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: five sackson five games. That's one a game. Uh, he's
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: only scratching the surface. And when you're doing this as
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: a rookie, Uh, he's already starting to draw some doubles
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: are starting to think about him. It's an absolute home
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: run pick. And uh, I'm excited about watching this guy
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: develop and I'm encouraged by what I've seen from him
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: on and off the field about him truly being a
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: guy you can build a franchise around well and one
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: of positions where it's okay to do it. One of
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: the reasons why if you're not going to have Jalen
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: you have to pay Unique is because you're gonna need
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: someone opposite him, right, You're gonna need that pass rush
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: threat he gives you, and then there's Unique, and then
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: you better go draft another young one because you can
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: never have enough of these guys. Um, but Alan him
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: sitting there at seven was such a gift to this
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: franchise now they have that. I don't want to put
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: him in Tony Bracken's category, but when he rushes sometimes
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: I'm looking and I'm watching Brackens with his link and
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: his power on that rush. If you go back and
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: watch it, it was a classic speed to power move
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: where he got off with an explosive burst and then
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: turned into the body to throw the tackle off and
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: then go get the quarterback. UM. Not a lot of
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: guys around here who have been able to do it
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: like that since t Brack was here. So he is. Um,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: he's an absolute cornerstone. What you have to remember is,
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: especially at that position, there's some positions you come in
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: and and you get it right away. Running back, there's
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: not an incredible amount to learn beyond pass blocking. Past
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: rushing is incredibly technique experience, learning your moves, learning what works.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: He doesn't have any of that yet. And if he's
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: productive now, once he starts being able to take what
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: he's hearing from Klaus, spending offseason working on it, Um,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: you get five sacks as quickly as a rookie, you
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: you are a destined unless something goes wrong, having a
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: huge career, and he might be on his way to
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: a Von Miller type of status. And that's as lofty
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: as he gets. But he has a chance to be
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: a defense franchise defining type pass rush. Well. I was
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: joking with him yesterday before the game. I said he
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: had four sacks and I said, hey, Javon curses rookie
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: rukie rookie sack record. Easy for me to say is insight,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: go get it. He goes all I need his ten
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: and a half more. I mean, he knew what it was.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: I love that about him is that he knew what
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: it was and he got one yesterday. There's nine more
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: games might be insight too. He is a terrific talent.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: If this team can get leads, h he can throw
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: up numbers. Yeah. Remember that when Javon Curse was a
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: rookie and had fourteen and a half sacks, a guy
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: named Kevin Carter was on the other side. It made
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: it really easy for javan because Kevin Carter was still near.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: That's the rare. Usually the great pass rushers, you're on
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: a team, but they're the only guy. We're the only guy.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: And that you've got Calais and you've got Unique, who
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: are both sitting there, and they would both give the opportunity,
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: will draw some of the attention away, so that if
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: he stays healthy, Allen will have a chance to push
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: for it. We do look ridiculous, by the way, with
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: the deal. You guys look identicals. I told you, I
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: said I'll wear the blazer, you wear the shirt. Thank
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: god you finally noticed. I've been thinking about it all show.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to say, hey, I'm a twin. I
• 45:31
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• 45:33
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  Speaker 1: NFL headlines, Yes absolutely, here I go. What's the hurries?
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Where we start? And that's Drew brees Um. He's supposed
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: to be out about three more weeks after the thumb
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: surgery to repair the ligament, yet he wants to practice
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: this week and potentially play against the Cardinals on Sunday
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: in New Orleans. But the hurry is why Because Teddy
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Bridgewater's five. And oh, people in Jacksonville feel good about
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: their backup situation. Uh, they should feel real good about
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: it in New Orleans. I don't know why Breeze is
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: currying to get back because he's old and you only
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: got so much time left way in the NFL. All right,
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: you answered the question. How about this one for you?
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: Uh see if you can answer you this equation ready,
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: it is UM sixty times three equals one. He's kicks
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: sixty three sixty yard field right, He's the first player.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Brett Maher, the Cowboys kicker, is the first kicker in
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: NFL history with three sixty plus yard field goals on
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: his resume. Yesterday he kicked day or last night he
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: kicked a sixty three yarder, which tied Tom Dempsey's. Is
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: not Tom Dempsy's anymore. Matt Prater has a sixty four yarder,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: but Tom Dempsey's record that stood forever as a sixty
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: three yarder. He had a sixty two yard or the
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: week before. So in the last two weeks he's got
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: two sixty yard field goals and he had one last
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: year against the Eagles. So that's three sixty yarders. UM kickers.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: I guess you can find him anywhere. Hunh. And it
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: shows you how much has changed. When Dempsey hit it,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: it was an outlier like Jesse Owens leap. I mean
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: it was Tom Dempsey had half a foot too. It
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: took thirty Uh you know, you're thirty years to break it.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: Now you get the idea that Praters is going to
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: get broken. Praters was in Denver. That's the interesting part.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Tom Dempsey kicked his at sea level, which with half
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: a foot off the ground, it was likely. That part
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: is probably still the most impressive. Yeah, sixty three yard
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: although we watched Jason Needlan kicked a sixty three yard
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: and nine against the Jaguars that was in Denver too,
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: So Dempsey's won the game. Yeah, which is interesting. It
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: was not a halftime field goal, and Dempsey's won the game.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: And it was such an outlier that the Lions who
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: he beat couldn't even believe they were lining up for
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: the kick. It was field was a pipe cream at
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: that point, and now it's almost got into the point
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: where its routine. And uh, you know, this kid's was
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: as good as any at sea level to sixty three
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: yarders in a sixty two yarder and it said back
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: to back weeks with a sixty plush yard field goal. Um, wow,
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: that's about enough on kicking. Yeah, I do have one
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: more red light in Cincinnati and that is a J Green.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: Yesterday it was asked the question, this team needs you
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: there oh and seven. By the way, you just couldn't
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: help but watch that offense and think if he's in
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: the ball game, how much different it is for Andy Dalton.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: But he's not, and he is not going to speed
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: up his recovery. Last week he felt like he was
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: a week or two away, and he said he'd wait
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: to get on the practice field this week and see.
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  Speaker 1: But he he wasn't going to react to the O
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  Speaker 1: N seven start and assume he was going to play
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: this week when the Bengals go to London to play
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: the Rams. Yeah. I mean I don't blame him. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I thought with me, I'd want to
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: play because I want to go against the other guy.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: The body slammed him here. A couple of years ago,
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: the um one of the Bengals reporters was Tommy that
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: they think best case scenario after the bye week, it's
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: more realistic with an older guy like that you want
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: to give him enough time to make sure he's healthy.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: And they may be trying to trade him. You don't
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: know if anybody offered him them a high pick for him,
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: and the forty is reportedly or in the market for
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: a wide receiver. If they would come calling with a
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: good offer, they might be willing to move because they're
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: totally they're they're tearing that thing down and rebuilding it
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: in Cincinnati. All right, And that is our show this
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  Speaker 1: Monday morning. Yeah, it's been an hour. Where have you been?
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  Speaker 1: Things move faster about here. Yeah, stay tuned Jaguars Happy
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  Speaker 1: right here on Jaggs Drive Time.