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Between The Pipes: Adrian Denny previews the NHL Draft, Positional needs for Utah Mammoth + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Sing Us.
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  Speaker 3: Oc from the Murdoch Chevrolet Studio of ESPN seven hundred
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  Speaker 3: and ninety two to one, A f am some sneaky,
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  Speaker 3: big headlines in the NHL. This week we go between
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  Speaker 3: the pipes with Adrian Denny to talk about all of them,
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  Speaker 3: but especially a Utah Mammoth draft, well not just the
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  Speaker 3: Utah Mammoths at the NHL Draft where the Utah Mammoth
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  Speaker 3: will be picking, of course. Between the pipes brought to
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  Speaker 3: Rob from Valley's going to be joining us here in
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  Speaker 3: about twenty minutes. By the way, Adrian, how are you.
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  Speaker 1: It's upo sea. Welcome to Draft Week.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Draft Week in the NBA.
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  Speaker 3: Utah Jazz make a splash Darren Peterson number two last night.
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  Speaker 3: The Utah Mammoth not holding on to a lottery, not
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  Speaker 3: holding on to a top five pick like we grew
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  Speaker 3: accustomed to, but they will have some picks in this
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  Speaker 3: upcoming NHL draft and It's really interesting the juxtaposition of like,
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  Speaker 3: when your team has a super high draft pick, you
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  Speaker 3: pay more attention to the scouting process. You're going over
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  Speaker 3: the mox, You're looking at the draft boards. You're saying, Aha,
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  Speaker 3: I want cambus or I want aj De Bonsa, I
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  Speaker 3: want Darren Peterson.
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm gonna go outlier, I want Caleb Wilson.
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  Speaker 3: In the hockey world, we're already a little bit less
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  Speaker 3: familiar with these prospects because they come from so many
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  Speaker 3: different leagues, so many different places. Kind of harder to
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  Speaker 3: see them. Also, the gap between when you draft them
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  Speaker 3: and when you see them on NHL ice is usually
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  Speaker 3: a lot more significant. But this is a Utah man
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  Speaker 3: with franchise holding on to a first round pick. So
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  Speaker 3: we got to get on this bandwagon. Now.
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  Speaker 1: Bill Armstrong's hold his scouts. He's like, hey, guys, save
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  Speaker 1: this for you. We traded three second rounders for Mackenzie Wieger,
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  Speaker 1: but got the first round pick for you, and oh see,
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  Speaker 1: if you want to look in the neighborhood, Nick Schmaltz
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  Speaker 1: was taken twentieth overall. Kali Yamamoto is a first round pick.
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  Speaker 1: He was taking twenty second overall. Ian Cole was taken
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  Speaker 1: eighteenth overall. So this is you know, first round guys
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  Speaker 1: play in the NHL and it comes down to your
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  Speaker 1: scouting and identifying. And you know, Bill Armstrong's a scout
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  Speaker 1: at heart, Like if if he was going to pick
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  Speaker 1: a department of the you know, the Mammoth I Center
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  Speaker 1: to go hang with, it's it's gonna be with with
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  Speaker 1: the scouts. He stopped coaching, he stopped coaching in the
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  Speaker 1: minor leagues to take a part time pro scouting job,
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  Speaker 1: like the guy is obsessed with it, and became a
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  Speaker 1: director of amateur scouting and assistant general manager over you
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  Speaker 1: know drafts for the Saint Louis Blues where they took
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  Speaker 1: guys like Tage Thompson, you know in the Neighborhood of
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  Speaker 1: of nineteen, a guy that was talked about at the
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  Speaker 1: traded deadline last year, Robert Thomas. Same thing. So you
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  Speaker 1: do get good players in the neighborhood of nineteen and
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  Speaker 1: we'll be waiting for it coming up. It's gonna move
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  Speaker 1: a little faster this year. Last year the first round
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh man, it's like four hours if so,
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  Speaker 1: I think they want to expedite that this year and
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  Speaker 1: push it along so we won't have to wait as
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  Speaker 1: long as yet to nineteen. It's a Friday night, after all.
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  Speaker 2: Where do you think they're going to go positionally?
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  Speaker 3: You know what, maybe that's the wrong way to ask
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  Speaker 3: the question, because you know a lot of times when
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  Speaker 3: you get down into that fifteen plus range, we're talking
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  Speaker 3: about positional need rather than best player available.
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  Speaker 2: But that might not be the case in this year's draft.
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  Speaker 3: It might not be the case with the Mammoth philosophy,
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  Speaker 3: but I guess it still stands.
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  Speaker 2: What is the most likely outcome in terms of a positional.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they always say best player available. I think the
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  Speaker 1: best player available is going to be a forward.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: There's a couple of names to watch for that we've
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  Speaker 1: been looking at. One of them is a kid named
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  Speaker 1: Ilia Morosov, who's still seventeen years old.
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  Speaker 2: Played his.
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  Speaker 1: Seventeen year old year at Miami of Ohio. He's a Russian,
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  Speaker 1: but he's a big kid six foot three, kind of
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  Speaker 1: falls into the profile of the big bodies that Bill
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  Speaker 1: Armstrong has has drafted.
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  Speaker 2: There.
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  Speaker 1: There's another kid listened for the name Adam Novatni, who
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  Speaker 1: also fits the profile. Played last year in the Ontario
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  Speaker 1: Hockey League where he led the Peterborough Pete in scoring.
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  Speaker 1: But he's CHECKI in so that you know that that's
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  Speaker 1: something more familiar with right with Correllva Milka and v
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  Speaker 1: tech Fana check But you know, just just kind of
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  Speaker 1: another big body, a big forward. But I think as
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  Speaker 1: you look at at players that are available where Utah
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  Speaker 1: is going to be drafting nineteenth, it sounds like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: forwards is what it's what it's going to be on
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  Speaker 1: and n oc you know that's if they keep the pick.
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  Speaker 1: There's there's always the possibility that uh trader Bell could
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  Speaker 1: uh wheel and deal something for us on UH draft
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  Speaker 1: night or even leading up to it. Remember this was
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  Speaker 1: the Wednesday last year, forty eight hours before the draft
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  Speaker 1: where the Mammoth got JJ Pittterca last year, so that
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  Speaker 1: that came in advance of the draft. So so we'll
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  Speaker 1: see you've got it. The scouts are chopping up a
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  Speaker 1: bit to get their boys taken, and uh Bill Armstrong
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  Speaker 1: is is dangling it is something to to maybe get
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  Speaker 1: a player who can play now and and improve the
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  Speaker 1: roster going into next season.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think is more likely trading? Trading the
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  Speaker 2: pick or keeping the pick and selecting someone.
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  Speaker 1: I think to from a percentage standpoint, keeping the pick right,
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  Speaker 1: because you know, as you've seen that this this week,
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  Speaker 1: I see and we've been talking about, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: free agency, you know field that's it's gonna be there
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  Speaker 1: on on July first. It's not especially deep. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: you've got a lot of teams trying to improve their
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  Speaker 1: roster by taking big swings and making trades, and and
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  Speaker 1: the Mammoth and Bill Armstrong have been willing to do that,
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  Speaker 1: but they're they're gonna step back when things, uh, things
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  Speaker 1: get a little high. And and this might be, uh,
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  Speaker 1: this might be a week where you know, it's it's
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  Speaker 1: it's gonna take a little more to to get a
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  Speaker 1: deal done.
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  Speaker 3: Adrian Denny for Between the Pipes here on the Sean
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  Speaker 3: Heating and Cooling. Some interesting stories around the NHL, not
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  Speaker 3: all of them directly related to the Mammoth, but almost
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  Speaker 3: all of them indirectly related to the Mammoth. And one
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  Speaker 3: of the most interesting ones is the Edmonton Oilers, who
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  Speaker 3: are still I think one of the teams to beat
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  Speaker 3: in the West. They moved on from na Block as
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  Speaker 3: their coach, and the higher they made is not without
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  Speaker 3: controversy here. I wanted your thoughts on the fact that
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  Speaker 3: you know, they've decided to kind of skirt traditional reason
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  Speaker 3: reasoning in Edmonton and they bring in Babcock. They bring
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  Speaker 3: they bring in Mike Babcock, who was his last head
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  Speaker 3: coaching position was in Columbus where he was canned previous
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  Speaker 3: to the season for sort of bizarre relationships, behaviors, communications,
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  Speaker 3: insistence on things from his players, and the NHL had
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  Speaker 3: to do a little investigation into that situation before they
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  Speaker 3: approved his higher in Edmonton. You've got two of the
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  Speaker 3: best players in the NHL, maybe the best player in
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  Speaker 3: the NHL. Well, with time running out in Edmonton, is
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  Speaker 3: this the right coach? It's their tenth coach in fourteen years.
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  Speaker 3: And this took the NHL conducting an investigation from what
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  Speaker 3: you mentioned the bizarre behavior, however it happened, booking, you know,
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  Speaker 3: wanting to inquire.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what happened other than
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  Speaker 1: on Spin and Chicklets they said Mike Babcock was asking
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  Speaker 1: to look at players pictures on their phones to learn
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  Speaker 1: more about them, and then other reports said there was that,
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  Speaker 1: and then there were some other things, and in the
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  Speaker 1: end he ends up being the shortest ten yeared head
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  Speaker 1: coach in NHL history. That was four years after he
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  Speaker 1: got fired by the Toronto Maple Leafs and some stuff
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  Speaker 1: came out about, you know, how he handled Mitch Marner
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  Speaker 1: as a young kid. And you don't want to say bullying,
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  Speaker 1: but that's that's I think that the first word that
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  Speaker 1: comes to my mind. He's in a he's an old
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  Speaker 1: school guys. He's got his way of doing business. If
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  Speaker 1: you saw his press conference yesterday, there wasn't any kind
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  Speaker 1: of remorse for you know, it's a different era. Now,
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  Speaker 1: maybe we should do things a little differently. There wasn't
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  Speaker 1: wasn't wasn't really any of that. It was well, my
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  Speaker 1: wife told me that boy this, uh, let's get out
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  Speaker 1: of here. Let's go, let's go back to retirement. And
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  Speaker 1: then he kind of threw the staff under the bus.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, it was clear our staff wasn't in alignment.
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  Speaker 3: And let me ask you this because in other leagues, right,
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  Speaker 3: especially the NBA, and I know the NHL and the
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  Speaker 3: NBA are pretty far apart in terms of like player influence,
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  Speaker 3: But are we at it in ear of the NHL
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  Speaker 3: now where if you're hiring somebody in Edmonton, you're going
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  Speaker 3: to Connor mc david and Leon dry Sidle and maybe
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  Speaker 3: a couple of those guys, and you're saying, Hey, we're
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  Speaker 3: thinking about bringing in Mike Babcock, how do you feel
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  Speaker 3: about this as the best player on this franchise? How
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  Speaker 3: do you feel about this as the captain's here? How
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  Speaker 3: do you feel about this? And then if that question
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  Speaker 3: even happens, are they able to veto If Lebron James
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  Speaker 3: you tell Lebron James you're hiring PJ. Carlissimo or whatever,
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  Speaker 3: he's gonna be like, No, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: If anyone in the NHL.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if the culture of the NHL even
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  Speaker 3: allows those conversations.
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  Speaker 1: Can you imagine Lebron James and PJ Caio. Well that's
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  Speaker 1: the weirdest thing, oh see, is before any of this
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  Speaker 1: even happened, they apparently set up a meeting with Mike
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  Speaker 1: Babcock and Connor McDavid and Leon dry side On and
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  Speaker 1: I think Ryan NuGen Hopkins, their longest tenured player, was
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  Speaker 1: there too, and they're like, yeah, we want this guy,
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  Speaker 1: this is what we need. We want to be held accountable.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like, show me your phone, Like you just
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  Speaker 1: had the nicest guy in the world, Chris Knoblock as
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  Speaker 1: your head coach, and you you had the world Like
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  Speaker 1: can you guys not handle yourselves? Like what why do you?
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  Speaker 1: Why do you?
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  Speaker 2: Why?
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  Speaker 1: Is players that have been in the league for a decade?
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  Speaker 1: Do you need to bring in a sixty three year
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  Speaker 1: old man who hasn't gotten out of the first round
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  Speaker 1: of the playoffs since twenty thirteen and who may or
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  Speaker 1: may not bully his players, who doesn't have a great
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  Speaker 1: reputation on the people and culture side of the building
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  Speaker 1: as we call hr these days. Interesting, so like but like,
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  Speaker 1: you had a great man, you had a great person.
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  Speaker 1: Why why do you why? Why all of a sudden
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  Speaker 1: you do you want to? Who?
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  Speaker 2: Who? On earth?
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  Speaker 1: O see goes into the CEO and says, we need
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  Speaker 1: our boss to be a little harder on us. Like
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  Speaker 1: for me, it just goes back to everything that's that's
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  Speaker 1: transpired and Edmonton over you know, the last decade plus,
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  Speaker 1: which is just okay, got it's you, not us.
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  Speaker 3: It has been an incredible week for the Kachuck family,
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  Speaker 3: and Keith Kachuck finds out he's going into the NHL
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  Speaker 3: Hall of Fame, and Brady Kachuk traded to go play
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  Speaker 3: in Florida with his brother Matthew. He has since said
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  Speaker 3: the trade wasn't about joining Matthew necessarily, but he was
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  Speaker 3: excited to go and be part of a Florida franchise.
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  Speaker 3: That after I'll call it a gap year, right because
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  Speaker 3: they had those three incredible postseason runs back to back
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  Speaker 3: to back this year, some injuries and some fatigue potentially
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  Speaker 3: kind of take you out of it. Now you get
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  Speaker 3: the Kachuck brothers teaming up, you get all of what
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  Speaker 3: you had for the most part in Florida coming back.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, even without this move, I think they were
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  Speaker 3: going to be a serious factor in the East. And
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  Speaker 3: now with this how much has it changed their prospects?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's right back where they wanted to be. As
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  Speaker 1: you said after that, that quote unquote gap year, which
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  Speaker 1: is a great way to uh to put it. Sam Bennett,
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  Speaker 1: Matthew Kachuck, and Brady Kachuck on on a line together
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  Speaker 1: talk about crash and burn, and you know, we saw
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  Speaker 1: the guys Uh, the ka Chuck's that you know at
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  Speaker 1: the Olympics and at the Four Nations and and you
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  Speaker 1: know back if you're back together, I mean, if you're
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  Speaker 1: doing that.
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  Speaker 3: In international competition, that's usually a little friendlier. I cannot
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  Speaker 3: wait to see the chaos of these two on the
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  Speaker 3: same ice.
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  Speaker 1: Can you wait until they play Tampa Bay.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna be awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Can we get that three times in the preseason like
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  Speaker 1: we usually do? Do you like to move? I love
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  Speaker 1: it for Florida. I mean, you're not gonna not do it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you had you had the capital the three first rounders
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  Speaker 1: in the second round or that they traded out, of
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  Speaker 1: course you're gonna make the deal. And and earlier in
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  Speaker 1: the day they they made another trade that got him
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  Speaker 1: some more draft picks. You know, I go, yeah, when
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  Speaker 1: are they going to trade those? And didn't expect it
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  Speaker 1: to be four hours later. It's it's always something oc
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  Speaker 1: And you know, for general manager, it's a tough situation
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  Speaker 1: to be in when you have a guy like Quinn
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  Speaker 1: Hughes and a guy like Brady Kachuck and a guy
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  Speaker 1: like Dylan Larktin and Detroit that's like, I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to be here and it's it's as a GM, you
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  Speaker 1: got the responsibility to answer to ownership and answer to
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  Speaker 1: your fans. Was this the best, best possible move at
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  Speaker 1: the best possible time that that you could have made?
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  Speaker 1: And you've heard that after coming back from the Olympics,
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  Speaker 1: it was kind of a different ballgame for Brady Kachuck,
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  Speaker 1: who was the captain of Ottawa. In their locker room,
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  Speaker 1: kind of a different vibe. And and he had two
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  Speaker 1: years left on his deal and they felt like, I
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  Speaker 1: guess with the noise that there was, you know, last
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  Speaker 1: two months with him going on their their podcasts that
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  Speaker 1: him and his brother do and some stuff was said
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  Speaker 1: and their dad was involved. And but oh see, I
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  Speaker 1: look at these trades. I'm like, if you're gonna trade
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  Speaker 1: your captain, Brady Chuck, if you're gonna trade the best
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  Speaker 1: d man in the NHL, Quinn Hughes, it better be
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  Speaker 1: for the best possible return you can get. I struggle
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  Speaker 1: with three first rounders in a second round for your
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  Speaker 1: franchise players, saying you couldn't have done a little better
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  Speaker 1: than that. And I know he gave him the four
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  Speaker 1: team list that he could be traded to because he
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  Speaker 1: had the no trade clause and comes out Florida is
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  Speaker 1: the only team he wanted to go to. But for
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  Speaker 1: Heaven's sakes, like you couldn't. You couldn't pull a player
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  Speaker 1: player in Florida, like I think Vancouver did okay in
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  Speaker 1: the Quinn Hughes deal and and Steve Eiserman in Detroit
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  Speaker 1: with Dylan Larkin, same thing, wanting to be traded hits.
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  Speaker 1: It's gonna be a little tougher like he's I just
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  Speaker 1: the power of negotiation and the time that you have.
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  Speaker 1: I just feel like in a lot of these situations
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  Speaker 1: that it's rushed and it's ram through just to get it,
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  Speaker 1: just to get it over with. When you can look
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  Speaker 1: at Detroit just kind of sitting back, and I think
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  Speaker 1: they will get the best return of anybody that makes
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  Speaker 1: a trade of a team USA olympian who doesn't want
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  Speaker 1: to play in Canada and has had enough of being
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  Speaker 1: in Detroit.
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  Speaker 3: Last thing before I let you go. The NHL exploring
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  Speaker 3: expansion again Austin and Houston apparently the target markets for
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  Speaker 3: it more the merrier.
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  Speaker 2: I love it.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how you're gonna divide up if someone's
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  Speaker 3: got to move right from west to east or east
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  Speaker 3: to west.
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  Speaker 1: So that'd give you thirty three teams. So you're putting one,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, so maybe one or the other and seventeen
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  Speaker 1: and then maybe maybe Atlanta is ready to go by then,
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  Speaker 1: Carrie Bettman saying yesterday Atlanta and Arizona, we're not quite
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  Speaker 1: as far along in the process is Houston and Austin.
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  Speaker 1: And maybe by the time you get to the point
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  Speaker 1: that you're to add that, maybe maybe they are. So
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  Speaker 1: that brings you to thirty four, which would be the
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  Speaker 1: most of any major pro.
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  Speaker 3: League's right, Austin is kind of a growing metropolis, cool
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  Speaker 3: town Houston. I don't see hockey working in Houston. I
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  Speaker 3: know that people probably didn't see hockey working in Salt Lake.
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  Speaker 3: But Houston's got a lot of options already.
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  Speaker 1: I like how they're pitting the two cities against each
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  Speaker 1: other with the same ownership group. But have we ever
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  Speaker 1: seen that before? Like, somebody's feelings are going to be
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  Speaker 1: hurt here, especially if it's Houston, who's been kind of,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the next expansion team for the last five
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  Speaker 1: years as and Austin comes down of nowhere. Gary Betman said,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we were talking about Houston and then we
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  Speaker 1: we started talking about Austin. So you know, they've got MLS,
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  Speaker 1: they've got the University of Texas. It's it's booming, like
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  Speaker 1: all of Texas I think is booming as far as
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  Speaker 1: population growth. But yeah, a lot of transplants in Austin,
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  Speaker 1: probably more so than Houston. But it'll be interesting to
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  Speaker 1: see how they come up with this. But pitting the
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  Speaker 1: two markets together with the same owners not something we've
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  Speaker 1: seen before.
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  Speaker 3: I think Austin it makes more sense because, like you said, transplants,
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  Speaker 3: there's a lot of new people in Austin. There's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of development in Austin, and when you're asking for
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  Speaker 3: a new franchise, a totally expansion franchise, right, it's a
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: lot easier if you're also new, right to jump on
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: that bandwagon together.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: So I like it.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: I've been at Minute Made Park and ron Field whatever
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: their naming rights partner is today. I can't tell you
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: off the top of my head, but I was there
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: man several times when the Astros were rebuilding two thousand
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: and nine through twenty ten. There wasn't there wasn't a
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: lot of people there, and I remember, you know, when
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: the rockets have struggled, you know, remember back at the
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: old Summit with the red and yellow seats and the
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: jazz would go in there and if the rockets weren't,
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: you know, cranking with with Kenny Smith and keep the
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: dream like there was a lot of a lot of
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: red and yellow showing. Kind of reminds you of Atlanta,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: honestly as we talk it out, but those are those
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: are kind of my memories of the team in Houston.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Isn't quite uh, you know, laying
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: It down, that's between the pipes, Adrian Danny Brought to
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: you by a Latin Industries, your Utah Felux Skylight, Steeler
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: and Valley Plumbing, Heating and Cooling