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Allow SMNTY to Reintroduce Ourselves · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie.
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  Speaker 2: And Samantha.
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  Speaker 1: And welcome to Stuff Whenever Told You, a production of iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: And we wanted to do a quick reintroduction of ourselves
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  Speaker 2: and the podcast and maybe a rapid fire discussion on
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  Speaker 2: some ongoing conversations we are seeing today. So for this episode,
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  Speaker 2: buckle up for Samantha's random thoughts. Yes, it's one of
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  Speaker 2: those days. It's one of those days. Let's be real
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  Speaker 2: honest here. First, we're going to timestamp it. We are
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  Speaker 2: recording this on October 13th, 2026. And a content warning,
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  Speaker 2: we are going to talk about world issues, including trans rights,
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  Speaker 2: genocide and sexual harassment and assault and domestic violence. So
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  Speaker 2: not too deep into the dark, dark, but just a
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  Speaker 2: little content warning because we are going to have a
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  Speaker 2: small discussion on things. But yes, this is one of
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  Speaker 2: those episodes where I'm like, hey, we just got back
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  Speaker 2: from a very long business trip and business time. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not sure why that just popped in my head. So
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  Speaker 2: we thought, you know, we need to do something that
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  Speaker 2: is a little simplified and compared to most of our
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  Speaker 2: research-based episodes. But with that, we may have gained some
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  Speaker 2: new listeners and we'd like to do this quick like
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  Speaker 2: check-ins every now and again to be like making sure
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  Speaker 2: you know who we are and what we are about.
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  Speaker 2: So this is what this is. With that aside, we have, again,
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  Speaker 2: returned from our great adventure and voyage with Virgin Voyages
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  Speaker 2: and How Stuff Works and I Heart People. Such great crew.
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  Speaker 2: First and foremost, thank you to all of the people
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  Speaker 2: who we worked with on Virgin. Alex, Virginia, Adrian, Christian, Hype,
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  Speaker 2: and Vonda Bounce. Those are the two cast members that
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  Speaker 2: we got to hang out with. Very cool peoples. And
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  Speaker 2: this was on The Valiant Lady. So if you get
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  Speaker 2: to go on The Valiant Lady on Virgin Voyages, go
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  Speaker 2: say hi to them. If they have any events, go
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  Speaker 2: to those events because they are awesome, so much fun.
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  Speaker 2: And also, we wanted to thank our people, Maddie and Megan, Dave,
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  Speaker 2: and several others who were there to supervise us and
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  Speaker 2: take us about. And also, a huge, huge shout out
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  Speaker 2: and thank you to our super producer, Rima, who not
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  Speaker 2: only made the entirety of our episode come to life,
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  Speaker 2: but kept us calm and hyped us and kept us
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  Speaker 2: grounded during this very stressful time.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. And just to clarify, we were recording a live
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  Speaker 1: episode on a ship on the sea. And you will
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  Speaker 1: hear it, listeners. And it's really cool, I have to say.
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  Speaker 1: And Rima is a large reason why it is so cool.
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  Speaker 2: Um, and yes, if we've, if I left anybody out,
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  Speaker 2: if we left anybody out, thank y'all too. Cause you know,
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  Speaker 2: this is a whole team effort and this was an
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  Speaker 2: amazing time for us. Thank you too. If you were
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  Speaker 2: able to attend our event, that was awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much. And if you came to talk
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  Speaker 2: to us even better, you have no idea how much
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  Speaker 2: that means to us.
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  Speaker 1: Or I realized later because not to sound like, Oh wow.
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  Speaker 1: But we got recognized.
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  Speaker 2: Often after the event after the fact yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah and uh i realized later that um it could
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  Speaker 1: be the case that people watched the live stream because
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  Speaker 1: there was also a live stream and the event so
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  Speaker 1: about that yeah because we kept saying like thanks for
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  Speaker 1: coming and you know who knows maybe they did come
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  Speaker 1: or maybe they watched the live stream but any in
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  Speaker 1: whatever the case thank you we appreciate you.
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  Speaker 2: Um And I thought we'd take a second to talk
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  Speaker 2: about our experience with the voyage. Because it was interesting.
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  Speaker 2: One of the first things, first and foremost, I survived, y'all.
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  Speaker 2: Just wanted to say. I adjusted after a couple of days.
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  Speaker 2: It did take a moment. I did eat a lot
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  Speaker 2: of bread because I was like, I need salt. Move. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I literally was like, you could see me walking around
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  Speaker 2: with a croissant in my hand as I'm just like
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  Speaker 2: nibbling at it.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. You were constantly seeking out snacks. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, I got to go. Don't talk to me. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Don't look at me. I got to do this. And
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  Speaker 2: it was crazy because the funniest part was like our
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  Speaker 2: hallway to our very nice rooms and very gray area
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  Speaker 2: was so narrow. And then their carpet was these stripes
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  Speaker 2: that I was like, oh, this is definitely not helping.
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  Speaker 2: And I thought I was going like a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, I'm being dramatic. But I had other people, Rima,
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  Speaker 2: as well as friend of the show, Katie, be like, no. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: this is a struggle walking down.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But we made it. I will say I did try
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  Speaker 2: the medicated patch for motion sickness. Did not work for me.
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  Speaker 2: Did not work out for me. Not work for me,
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  Speaker 2: but did work out for me because I got super dizzy.
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  Speaker 2: I got super tired. My partner was like, you're slurring
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  Speaker 2: your words. It was affecting me so hard. I accidentally
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  Speaker 2: touched my eye. At one point, I guess I hadn't
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  Speaker 2: tapped it or something, and my eye... dilated, and I
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  Speaker 2: couldn't see anything. And we were rehearsing at one point
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  Speaker 2: on video call before our actual voyage, and I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I can't read anything. What is happening? Yeah. So that
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  Speaker 2: probably was the biggest problem in this whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: It was concerning. It was concerning because we did a
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  Speaker 1: rehearsal for this show that I feel like we should
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  Speaker 1: have had a moment of reflection about We need to
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  Speaker 1: read these words and not mess up all the time
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  Speaker 1: because normally we have an editor who comes in. Prima,
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  Speaker 1: once again, thank you. But this, doing it live in
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  Speaker 1: front of an audience, I remember when we were doing
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  Speaker 1: that rehearsal, I was like, oh, we're going to need
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  Speaker 1: to practice.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think at that moment we were like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to read it every day. We need to
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  Speaker 2: stop and slow down. Yes. We need time. We timed
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  Speaker 2: it with music. Like we've been doing that before we
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  Speaker 2: even did that one. Yeah. But yeah, but having the
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  Speaker 2: moment of like, oh, I'm really glad I didn't just
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  Speaker 2: try to put the patch on the day of the voyage.
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  Speaker 2: And then like all of this messed up as we're trying.
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  Speaker 2: I think we would have, it would have been a
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  Speaker 2: giant disaster for me specifically.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, like I quit. And it was a really
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  Speaker 1: rocky day too in the day we did our show.
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  Speaker 2: I hope there's a video. Because according to a friend
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  Speaker 2: of the show and a fellow podcaster, Ben from Stuff
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  Speaker 2: They Don't Want You To Know, who was a part
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  Speaker 2: of this, which big shout out to Stuff They Don't
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  Speaker 2: Want You To Know. And Stuff You Should Know, who
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  Speaker 2: were a part of this show as well. It was
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  Speaker 2: really fun hanging out with everybody from there. But Ben
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  Speaker 2: was watching y'all rock simultaneously. As you're performing was one
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  Speaker 2: of the funniest things to see. And that is in
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  Speaker 2: my head. I was like, yeah, I would be laughing
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  Speaker 2: the entire time because it was super rocky. Thank goodness
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  Speaker 2: I had adjusted by this time or I think I
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  Speaker 2: would have been in huge trouble. I will say, though,
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  Speaker 2: we did stop in Bermuda. We got to go for
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  Speaker 2: a little bit and look at the shops and step
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  Speaker 2: on the ground and drink a very delicious lemonade. by
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  Speaker 2: apparently someone that Rima knew and was friends with. Their
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  Speaker 2: family owned this lemonade stand. Amazing. Anyway, so the minute
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  Speaker 2: we hit the island, I was okay. And then as
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  Speaker 2: we started walking, I was like, why is the island moving?
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  Speaker 2: I struggled even more coming back on land than I did,
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  Speaker 2: I think, on the actual boat. It was rough.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what's interesting is you can get that
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  Speaker 1: if your muscles get too tight. I learned that in
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  Speaker 1: physical therapy. It's that sometimes when you're rolling them out
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  Speaker 1: or whatever after that, you can feel the, like, land
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  Speaker 1: legs sensation.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so my partner felt it just as badly. And
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  Speaker 2: he doesn't get motion sickness, so it was kind of
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  Speaker 2: nice to see. I know Katie, again, a friend of
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  Speaker 2: the show, you're... Your lifelong friend. She was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: my God. The fact that we were all struggling. Annie
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  Speaker 2: was like, I don't know what you're talking about. And
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  Speaker 2: the rest of us was like, oh, we're going to
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  Speaker 2: pass out. It was one of those moments. But overall,
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  Speaker 2: the trip was fantastic. Now I know that I can
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  Speaker 2: handle large ship ventures. I don't know if I can
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  Speaker 2: handle anywhere outside of us being pampered as we were
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  Speaker 2: pampered by Virgin. Yeah. You know, like, obviously for working.
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  Speaker 2: And it was work. I will say, like, I've had
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  Speaker 2: to explain to people. They're like, oh, my God, did
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  Speaker 2: you have so much fun? I'm like, I did. But
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  Speaker 2: it was definitely work. There was not really a moment
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  Speaker 2: that we weren't, to me, weren't working. Whether it's because
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  Speaker 2: we had to go over our script constantly or we
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  Speaker 2: had tech events or we had events on the boat
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  Speaker 2: where we had to be in, like, we talked about
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  Speaker 2: a hype and bounce. Christian and Vonda got to do
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  Speaker 2: things with them. or we had to work it out
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  Speaker 2: with them, or we had press event, which was, by
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  Speaker 2: the way, we didn't know about that until we got
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  Speaker 2: on the boat, I don't think. I'm like, oh, we
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  Speaker 2: had to talk to press? Oh, no. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And they sent us some questions that were... Hard-hitting. They
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  Speaker 1: were hard-hitting. It went really well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, they were wonderful. They were such kind people.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I was just like, oh. And then also
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  Speaker 2: knowing that people knew we were on the boat, some
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  Speaker 2: people knew who we were, Some people recognize, like, we
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  Speaker 2: had to be on our P's and Q's, obviously. Not
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  Speaker 2: that we would do anything, like, misbehaving, but me going
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  Speaker 2: up and down the way, cursing about how I hate,
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  Speaker 2: how I have so much... motion sickness probably isn't the
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  Speaker 2: way to go.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. People might connect with that.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe, maybe. But, you know, like stuff like that, we
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  Speaker 2: definitely wanted to be on for, on at all times,
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  Speaker 2: I would say, to the point like meeting people, making
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  Speaker 2: sure that we are open and people feel welcome to
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  Speaker 2: talk to us because it was, a part of the experience.
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  Speaker 2: And we love that too, but it's still work, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like that's an understanding all of that. But it was
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  Speaker 2: a really great experience. If you want to travel with
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  Speaker 2: a little more like freedom of not having, you know,
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  Speaker 2: younger children, not that those children are wonderful, but this
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  Speaker 2: gets you a different type of experience. I think Virgin
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  Speaker 2: has handled it really well and has done a great
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  Speaker 2: job in laying out this format. So what was your experience?
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  Speaker 2: How did you feel about it, Annie?
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  Speaker 1: I also enjoyed it. I was incredibly stressed about it.
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  Speaker 1: And the day we got back, I think I told
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  Speaker 1: you in the group, I don't know if I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to have the biggest crash out ever. I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 1: I was incredibly productive that day. The next day, I
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  Speaker 1: haven't had a crash out. I felt like a new woman.
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  Speaker 1: I felt like a weight had been lifted off of me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: I was so stressed about it. And we're going to
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  Speaker 1: talk about it in upcoming happy hour. But there's something
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  Speaker 1: about having this work trip. And we had never done
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  Speaker 1: anything like this before. And we didn't know. I literally
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  Speaker 1: could have walked out on that stage and there had
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  Speaker 1: been 10 people and I wouldn't have been surprised.
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  Speaker 2: Which is what we were expecting.
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  Speaker 1: And that's not what happened at all. But I didn't know.
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  Speaker 1: We were on the last day, so there wasn't a
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  Speaker 1: lot of relaxation time for me. I'm not the type
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  Speaker 1: of person who can not read that script over and
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  Speaker 1: over and over until it's happened.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And there's something also about performing for your friends and
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  Speaker 1: co-workers that you've known for a long time.
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  Speaker 2: For so long.
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  Speaker 1: And who are so good at it. And that kind
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  Speaker 1: of anxiety... But it went so well and it was
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  Speaker 1: so great. And the questions we got in the Q &
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  Speaker 1: A were so great. And I feel like we started
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  Speaker 1: a little book club.
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  Speaker 2: You did.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody had all these recommendations for books. And it was
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  Speaker 1: lovely and amazing. Because we did something very different than
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  Speaker 1: the other two shows.
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  Speaker 2: Right. So different.
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  Speaker 1: Very different. And so it was really nice that people
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  Speaker 1: resonated with it and liked it. And one of my
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  Speaker 1: favorite parts was we had these images that Rima provided,
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  Speaker 1: and the lights would change, and the music would kick
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  Speaker 1: in when we would start reading, and people would gasp.
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  Speaker 1: They'd be like, oh! And just when you know, okay,
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  Speaker 1: we were on to something. This is something people enjoy.
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  Speaker 1: Even when they're on vacation and we're reading them Frankenstein. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Old school level. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Frankenstein.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So that was really, that was nice. And it kind
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  Speaker 1: of felt affirming to me because we don't, Samantha and
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  Speaker 1: I record alone virtually. We don't like get a lot
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  Speaker 1: of interaction. So sometimes you can be like, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if, is this resonating with anybody? Right. So that
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  Speaker 1: was really cool. And then just to see all of
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  Speaker 1: our other coworkers and friends and to have kind of this,
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  Speaker 1: Easy passing.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, there they are.
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  Speaker 1: Like, you could run into anybody at any moment. That
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  Speaker 1: was really nice. And talking to the listeners at the
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  Speaker 1: meet and greet, so many of them came. It was
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  Speaker 1: like a mom and their child, which I thought was
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  Speaker 1: really interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. I love the family dynamic and then coming together.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, what? This is amazing. I love that
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  Speaker 2: you have this type of relationship. A little jealous of
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  Speaker 2: this relationship. But it was so beautiful. And then I
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  Speaker 2: love when one would say, I came here because of
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  Speaker 2: them and they are teaching me a lot. And this
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  Speaker 2: has been amazing. And having a new discovery of what
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  Speaker 2: we're specifically talking about. I also really did love the
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: fact that we did do something so different, but that's
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: kind of what our podcast is. Like we kind of
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: grew into a different type of format because we did
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  Speaker 2: want to change the perspective of like understanding that feminism
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  Speaker 2: and intersectional feminism is, has been here, but it's been
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  Speaker 2: here in ways that you may not have recognized, which
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: is kind of the beginning of this podcast, like understanding
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  Speaker 2: that the patriarchy or misogyny really comes into every angle
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: and and what it looks like. And you don't know
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  Speaker 2: that it comes in horror, like it comes in writing
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  Speaker 2: and why they wrote this and what they wrote it
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  Speaker 2: for or the reason it came out. Like having that
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: conversation and being able to pinpoint it instead of being like, yes,
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  Speaker 2: does it include the conversation about abortion? Yes. Could abortion
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  Speaker 2: be a part of this narrative? Yes. But is it
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  Speaker 2: outright just about the debate about abortion? No. Like this
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  Speaker 2: is like a beautiful layered conversation and we were able
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  Speaker 2: to like reintroduce it in this form of these different
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: like stories, which again, y'all are going to get to hear.
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  Speaker 2: So don't worry. Don't worry. If you weren't there, no worries.
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  Speaker 2: We are so excited to release it to you when
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  Speaker 2: it gets worked out soon too, very soon. But like
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  Speaker 2: having this kind of format was really interesting, I think.
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  Speaker 2: And it was nice to be able to share it
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  Speaker 2: with our coworkers too, like you were saying.
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  Speaker 1: It was really nice. It was cool that I think
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  Speaker 1: most of the people there, there were people there who
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  Speaker 1: knew who we were, but there were a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people there that didn't. And they asked such insightful questions
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  Speaker 1: and they had such great recommendations. And we're excited. The
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  Speaker 1: energy was very excited. Like, I can't wait to tell
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  Speaker 1: you about this. Yes. And that was really cool because
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  Speaker 1: we also walked on that stage thinking, We're going to
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  Speaker 1: get the worst questions. They're going to be like, you're
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  Speaker 1: reading too deeply into Frankenstein or what have you. And
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  Speaker 1: that's not what happened at all. It was a really
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  Speaker 1: great atmosphere. And it was cool to have our co-workers
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  Speaker 1: there and to see what they did and for them
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  Speaker 1: to see what we did.
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  Speaker 2: Right. I think like, I would love seeing that we
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  Speaker 2: have the, and they do too, like they have different
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  Speaker 2: levels of different types because honestly, as many podcasts that
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  Speaker 2: has been released in all of these different shows, you
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  Speaker 2: have to get creative sometimes and be like, we have
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  Speaker 2: to switch this up. We have to switch it up
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  Speaker 2: from just this to this. But like being able to
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  Speaker 2: like feature that as kind of like going outside of
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  Speaker 2: our box of like, oh, I'm going to do a
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  Speaker 2: little voice acting, which I was not great at. but
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  Speaker 2: it was entertaining.
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  Speaker 1: You were great at it. I thought you were. Even
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  Speaker 1: though I was a little mad because you didn't practice
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  Speaker 1: your voices with us until we were on stage and
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  Speaker 1: I was trying.
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  Speaker 2: To match your voices. I practiced it. It just got
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  Speaker 2: deeper because we were there longer. It got deeper. But
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  Speaker 2: it was that same deep voice. I was trying to
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: figure out what I thought smothered meant. Y'all hear it.
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  Speaker 2: But apparently, and I missed this because I was so
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  Speaker 2: entrenched into my I have to focus to make sure
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  Speaker 2: I don't mess up these words that you gave me
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  Speaker 2: a look.
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  Speaker 1: I looked at you like, what have you done? Now
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  Speaker 1: I have to try to match this.
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  Speaker 2: We have similar tones. I'm sure it was pretty close.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, listeners, you can be the judge when it
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  Speaker 1: comes out.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: When it comes out. But yeah, it was a great experience.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: And it also really kind of encouraged, I think, I
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: think both of us that we can do this because
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: that's one of the holdbacks that we don't want to volunteer.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: We don't want to be noticed half the time. I
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: do feel like we're forgotten sometimes that we exist. I'm like,
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: they're here type of thing um but like we like
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: staying under the radar because we don't want to do
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: too much of too many things but being able to
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: accomplish it and feel good about it we're like oh
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: yeah actually we might be actually pretty good about this
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: it's just leading up to it gets really stressful.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Oh incredibly i cannot tell you the amount of relief
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: i felt after it was over And it went well.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: After it was over, it went well. Yeah, yes.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: And maybe that would have been that part. But there
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: was no part of me that really regretted too much,
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: except I think I misremembered one of the conversations we
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: had about The Awakening.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Because the book that's featured in 10 Things I Hate
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: About You is the feminine mystique, and it's not The Awakening.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: So I was wrong on which book it was. But
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: The Awakening did come back up.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: It did. It did. Also, I apologize to the person
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: who's told me specifically, don't autograph this right here. And
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: so I autographed it right over my own picture. I
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: don't know why. But I'm really sorry. If you're listening,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: I did not mean to do that. And I immediately
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: wanted to rectify it, but realized you had all the
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: other autographs.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that's the worst part. But that
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: sounds like something I would do just for the heck
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: of it. Because I think it's funny.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: I think I was listening to their conversation. Yeah. did it.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: But I do feel bad. And I was like, oh, no,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: what can I do? I'm really bad at signing autographs.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: This is not my first.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, no, I hate it. I signed a book because
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: my partner was like, you need to sign this book.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: And he looks awful. I'm like, I just ruined that book.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I should have practiced.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: And also those thick Sharpies.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They're like silver. Yeah.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Especially when you're trying to write small.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: So it's not a lot of space. But also, that
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: was an odd feeling. I'm like, I don't know why
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: I'm signing my autograph here because I'm not a celebrity.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: But thank you.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Well. And one of the, I believe it was Chloe,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: had an interesting question about that was like, you know,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: what's it like when you're in a situation where some
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: people recognize you in sort of an enclosed space? And
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: it was interesting. And I did feel like I was
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: losing my mind several times because I would hear my name.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: What? What? Look around. But everybody was so kind.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Everybody was really kind. Yeah.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm like, they could have easily ignored us. And
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: maybe people did because they didn't like it, maybe. But, like,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: the people who did say hey to us and I
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: didn't realize they had been at the show or seen
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: the show maybe live streamed. I was like, oh, nice.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: I loved the parts where people didn't know who we
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: were but knew about our or knew something about the
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: show or the others. And so I was, like, trying
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: to figure out who we were. Those were my favorite moments. Or, like,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: talking about the other shows, which were all typically complimentary moments.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: like talking about how much they love these people and
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: not realize we're a part of the show too. I
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: was like, this is kind of interesting.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: We had multiple instances of, I had somebody right in
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: front of me trying to figure out who the host
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: of Stuff Whenever Told You was, who they were. And
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: we ran into a woman who was trying to get
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: into our show and didn't recognize us. And we were like, actually,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: it's an hour from now, but yeah, please come.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she still didn't know. She just left and we
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: were like, I wonder if she's going to come back
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: and see us on stage and realize.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: I hope she did. I couldn't see her in the
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: audience because of the lighting, but I hope she did.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: I know, yeah. But there you go, y'all. So that
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: was our experience. Loved it. I think we would do
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: it again. Yeah, because it was a great experience. Great
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: experience with our coworkers. Great experience with the people on
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: board who came to the show, who talked to us,
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: who saw the live stream. And hopefully y'all love the
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: episode that we did. made out of it because we
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: are very proud of it I think we can go
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: ahead and say I'm not sure I'm going to be
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: able to listen to it because I think hearing me
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: doing voices is going to throw me off.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: I'm really excited to hear because you can kind of
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: hear the crowd in the background yeah that's true yeah.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: We love that moment I did encourage that more I
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: was like please do that more often thank you yeah.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: We need encouragement so respond not just one more time
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: We didn't have the, like, cut button or the edit button.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: So I can say for myself, I was fighting for
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: my life reading these stories and trying not to, like,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: cough at one point. But also just not have take-backs
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: and just read it, have a good flow.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Right. I did love... So one of the things that
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: happened old school before I came around, while people were recording,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: they would do like signals or sounds so the producer
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: would know that they needed to cut something.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: So that beep, it was like a beep. And some
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: podcasters still do it because they're trained. Like at this point,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: they're like, oh, no, we got to do this. This
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: definitely gives them a different frequency. So it gives them
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: a notification that, oh, there's something here. And I did
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: enjoy that Ben actually did that during recording. They're a
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: live podcast. Because we were trying so hard to be like,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: don't come back and be like, cut that part.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Don't say sorry. Oh, no, that's wrong. Like a
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: lot of things we do.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Let me try that again. We were trying like, because
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: this is going to break the mood. We got to
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: keep going no matter what.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: We got to flow through. We really chose an ambitious thing.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: We did. Like, it was such a great idea because
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: at least we knew how to write it. That's part
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: of the complication in a podcast like ours is like,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: We want to do something that feels welcoming and more
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: of the vacation mode, but with a lesson, obviously. So
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: having people trying to sit here and debate or feel
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: like everything's going to go wrong while being on a
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: ship in the middle of the ocean doesn't feel like
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: the way to go. So try to come up with
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: a good episode that is both intersectional feminism, but a
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: great lesson in entertaining women.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: That was the hard bit. And we definitely, we chose
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: the right one, I think, but it was definitely a
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: lot of work.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: It was a lot of work. And it was very comical.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know that you'll get to hear the Q & A, listeners,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: but if you don't, Josh Clark of Stuff You Should Know,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: on the first day, he was saying how they cut
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: kind of a sad part out of their episode on
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: the cola wars between Pepsi and Coca-Cola. And I just
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: remember thinking, oh, man, our topic has suicide, death of children.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Eating of children, cannibalism. We were like, oh, here we go.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: I just was kind of nodding like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: We chose the light topic as well.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But, you know, listeners, y'all know. You know how
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: we go down some routes and we're like, oh, God,
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: this is not going to go well or maybe too well.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know. But we were trying to, like, metal
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: line this conversation and do it also justice to the
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: way we feel is honorable in this fight for, you know,
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: equity and equality. So, yeah, it was a thing. But
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: we did it.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: We did.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: We did it. I thought it was interesting because yesterday
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: I have come back to my regular life, which is
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: still an adjustment. I'm trying to get back into it.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: And I had a really great conversation with one of
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: my Zumba people because they were asking where we were like, oh,
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: you took a dime off? What do you do? Where
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: did you go? And so, yes, I'd been gone for
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: two weeks and coming back to teach Zumba after two
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: weeks of not doing Zumba. It was rough. I'm a
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: little sore still. I'm like, what the hell? I'm sore.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: But with that, you know, the term intersectional feminism came
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: out because I was like trying to explain my podcast
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: and tell her what this was. And she was like, oh,
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: what is this? And she's a little older. And we
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: had this moment. And, of course, this leads to other
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: things because I'm trying to explain intersectional feminism in a
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: way that's not like just like, oh, this is this.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: And I understand. I related this type of conversation in
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: our current gubernatorial election that's happening right now. So, yes,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: and early voting is happening right now, you know. So
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: I thought, let's talk about this a little bit, about
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: what intersectional feminism is and why it's important today and
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: what feminism is today and where we are with feminism
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: and where the show is. Because also I'm wondering, I hope,
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Maybe some people who have not been listening to us
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: previously is now back on. Or we had a few
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: people who were like, it's been a long time since
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: I've listened to you because I've been listening to the
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: other podcasts because there's so many choices. Rightly so, I
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: get it. So maybe they're rejoining us after a while
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: and may not be familiar with our level of podcasting
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: or how we do it or what we're focusing on.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: So I thought it would be a good time to
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: revisit a little bit about us and the podcast today. Okay. So,
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: and also talk a little bit about politics a little
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: bit because there's a lot going on. There's a lot
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: going on. So just as a refresher, Kristen and Molly
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: really began a great platform for us to be here
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: and why we have to talk about how the society
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: has been upheld with the standard of success being based
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: on the patriarchy, right? Meaning that the only real way
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: to succeed is being a cis heterosexual white rich man.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: And the lie built on the idea that this isn't true. Like, oh, no,
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: that's not true. That's not how you have to do it.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: All you have to do is pull yourself up by
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: the bootstraps and work really hard, which is very misogynistic
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: and ableist. Let's be real clear. Which may have been
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: possible pre-Reagan. I'm going to say maybe we could have
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: done that. Maybe. Pre-Reagan, also with the fact that, like,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: we would still have to fight through, have equal rights
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: for women. There's so many levels with that. But again,
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: that's another episode that we're not going to get into today.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: And they were able to, Kristen and Molly were able
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: to break down the truth that when things are set
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: up for men and against women, let's talk about, you know,
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: they've talked about the pocket situation. Why don't women's pants
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: have pockets? Why do women have to wear high heels? Literally,
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: we're required to. Why were women not allowed to wear pants?
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: at Congress, what the hell? You know, stuff like that.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: So they really opened up this level of conversation in
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: a way that kind of was like, oh, okay, yeah.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Why don't they have this? And that they have no
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: access to credit. And why don't they get to have property?
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: And what happened? How recently was that? You know, in
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: this level of conversation. So Kristen and Molly really opened
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: up with the article and then, you know, with the
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: actual podcast. And it's much more difficult, if not impossible,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: for women to find equal footing and definitely not going
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: to get equitable footing. That still doesn't exist. And then
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: we have Kristen and Caroline who dug deeper and on
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: our timeline jumped to a whole other dimension. I would
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: say that in 2016. That's what it feels like anyway.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: And the conversation became a lot heavier and a lot darker.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: I know, Annie, you were present for the entirety of
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: the transformation of all of this conversation. And you talked
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: about that before.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So I was there. I feel like we're going
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: through a walkthrough of HostPass. I was there in the
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: beginning with Molly and Kristen. I was a little itty-bitty
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: intern who had never heard of podcasts, and I hadn't
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: edited audio. And I remember the first time I recorded them,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: I messed up. And they were so kind about it.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: But I... Basically, it took me 12 minutes to realize
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: I messed up, so they had to re-record 12 minutes.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: But they were really nice about it. But I remember,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: you know, in the early days when they first started,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: it was a lot more what we call evergreen topics,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: which are topics that you... They're not timely. You can
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: play them in theory at any time. I think you
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: could still update them a little bit, but, you know,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: like Pockets is a good example. And then... once Kristen
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: and Caroline came on as the co-host, it was still that,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: but it became a little bit more political. And also
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: there was a YouTube show that was running along all
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: of this that I was working on. But it was
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: interesting to see the evolution of it as somebody who
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: was an intern who became an employee Who, like, I
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: learned so much from them. Editing a show where I
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: was learning stuff about myself was really interesting. So, yeah,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: it has evolved and has continued to evolve.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Right. And it's interesting because, you know, soon after... When
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Kristen and Caroline started on Ladylike and left Stuff Mom
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Never Told You, it shook the foundation of Stuff Mom
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: Never Told You. And Bridget and Emily really came in
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: trying to rebalance and come back to where we were today.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Bridget really brought in a much-needed perspective there. as someone
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: who has been in the field, who had been in
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: the field with Planned Parenthood, who is a Black woman
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: who has been an activist in D.C. And I think
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: like a lot of that really did change a little
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: bit of the format and the evolution of Stuff Mom
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Never Told You. And with that, we have Bridget and Annie,
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: who really, I love, I love that evolution, your own
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: evolution into this podcast, going like side by side. It's
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: a phenomenal take. Like it really is one of the moments,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: like I'm proud of you. And I talk about it
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: so often that it almost sounds like it's my story
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: that I'm like, she, and she did this. Like I
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: make sure that everybody understands. No, Annie's been here from
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: the beginning. Like Annie came into this when podcasting wasn't
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: a thing and then has grown in this industry as
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: podcasts have grown in the industry, which is an interesting
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: like timeline. So you and Bridget were able to really
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: bring in a perspective. For yourself, what did you see
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: as a shift?
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Well, first of all, Bridget's amazing and inspiring, and I
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: was intimidated. I will say that. I had not been...
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: I'd been a host on another show called Saver, but
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: there's something pretty daunting about coming on to a show
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: about feminism with somebody like Bridget. She was so kind and.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: She was a very yes-ander. She helped me in that way.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: And just like you and I, we had very different...
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: I'd be like, let's talk about Star Wars. We had
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: different tastes, which I think is good to kind of
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: balance out topics. We do talk about everything. If you're
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: new to the show, that's what I'll say, is we
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: go here, here, here, here, here. Um, but yeah, I,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: I really enjoyed working with her and, uh, I learned
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: a lot. I learned a lot from her for sure.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: And we're still learning a lot. She's still a part
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: of the show. Uh, it really makes it so much
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: better to have her come in and give us a new, again, that,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: that perspective that's so different from our own. Um, and, and,
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: and love that with that, with ever changing landscape. And
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: then it becomes me. I push my way in again.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: And as we were coming in to seeing what was
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: happening with all the changes, we watched and panicked a
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: bit at the ever-changing system with the hashtag MeToo movement,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: a full-blown pandemic. Like, literally, I started, signed the contract,
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: and we all went to shut down. I was like, oh,
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: we're in lockdown. Cool. Let's get our equipment. Let's try
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: to figure this out. and it was an interesting time.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: You and I were hanging out a lot. We were like, okay,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: we're going to quarantine together. Essentially, we brought you in
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: every weekend at least to make sure we were all
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: hanging out there. We played Pandemic, and we still haven't finished.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Pandemic, the board game.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: The actual game. Yeah, it wasn't just for fun. We
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: were like, let's be all on the nose. This is
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: what Annie does to me. She's like, oh, you know
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: what would be great for this time?
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: This board game called Pandemic.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what is this? And I loved it. And
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: I'm like, let's do it. We still haven't finished it, y'all.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: And since then, we've been really navigating how feminism has
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: continued to change as we are trying to talk about it.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: I know like eventually, like quickly, language has changed. I
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: feel like the speed at which feminism and activism has
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: changed as of late has been rapid. And we're glad.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: I'm glad of it. I'm glad to see it change
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: because it needs to be changing. Change means that people
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: are understanding it better and better. and getting their voices out. Like,
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: that's what I know has changed. And so trying to
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: keep up with that change has been a little difficult.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: And I think we've all talked about this. Being of
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: the generation that was pre-internet, like understanding what that is,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: and then growing into the internet, and then still being,
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: trying to be relevant and understanding the conversation and growing
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: with it has been, I don't know, for me, and
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: you're a little bit younger than me, but not that
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: much younger than me, but like, for me has been
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: incredibly trying, but at the same time, I feel like
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: really helpful in keeping me on my toes. Like I
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: feel like I have to keep educated or I'm going
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: to fall so far behind that the ignorance is going
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: to get me into trouble. Whether it's trouble like because
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: I am not being appropriate or I'm appropriating or I'm
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: not understanding and being empathetic where there needs to be
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: empathy and also allowing for the system to to take
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: over in a way that will harm all of us
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: i don't know do you feel that way at all.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah especially because i'm not really on social media and
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: so i feel that i miss a lot of the
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: um the new language that's being used or what people
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: are discussing about it i do think that it's really
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: important to learn that we've talked about this with uh
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Good friend of the show, Eves, a female first. Like,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: we don't want to not talk about a topic because
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: we're afraid to talk about it. Sometimes that means bringing
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: in somebody else who's more knowledgeable. But I have to admit,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: there are some topics we've done where I'm very worried
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: that I'm out of touch or like I'm out of
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: date with what is being said. And I'm very appreciative
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: when people kindly write in, like, you know, this is
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: something people are talking about.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just FYI.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Yes, we need that. Because again, two perspectives is very, like, limited.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Even as much as I am on social media, still
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: very limited. And then, like, with all of that, again,
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: things have been changing. And even the understanding of feminism
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: and where we are today, like, we understand a lot
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: more differently now. So let's go over that real quick.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: This is the brief research that I did because we
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: talked about it so many times. You can probably look
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: it up. But just a quick overview, very brief and simplified.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: So let me put that as a disclaimer. This is
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: not going to go in depth into so many things
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: and y'all are going to be like, I didn't say this.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: It's true, we didn't. We didn't have time. Y'all can
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: come back at it. Give us what you want to
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: say and we will Probably read that on an episode
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: because we love doing that too with that. So here
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: are the overview of the four waves of the feminist movement.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: And this is from simplepsychology.org. Like I got a lot,
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: just all of that from here because they.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Did a great job.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: So starting around 1848, we have the first wave. We
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: have the Women's Rights Convention in Seneca Falls, New York,
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: which we talk about in our book. So if you
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: want a little more detail, you should go check out
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: our book. Hey, hey. With the focus on women's rights
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: to vote and abolition. It was not inclusive, and that
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: is something that we have talked about previously and needs
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: to be recognized. Even though many of the activists were abolitionists,
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: they didn't want to include Black women. And also, just recently,
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: I did an episode with Behind the Bastards where we
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: talked about the first woman to technically become a senator
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: who was based in Georgia. And she was racist. Very racist.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: And she was all about lynchings. So there's that. But
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: she also knew men were at fault for war. So
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: there's that. Anyway, moving on. Then we have The Second Way,
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: which started in the 60s. This is a post-war reaction,
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: many say. A couple of key players included Betty Friedan
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: with her book Feminine Mystique and Simone de Beauvier with
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: her book The Second Sex. We have also the introduction
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: of well-known Black women who were a part of this conversation,
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Bell Hooks, Angela Davis, and Audre Lorde, and of course
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: so many more. And we have the, I think, Many
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Black women have been talking. We're talking about Sojourner Truth
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: and all those other people that existed during the suffragette movement.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Here we have the different takes when it comes to intersectionalism. Like,
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: we start to understand it on a deeper level. This
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: wholesome narrative of the housewife is slowly being dismantled at
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: this point. Like, they're like, oh, maybe women should have
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: more freedom and more access to property and money. I
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: don't know. During this time, we have the beginning conversations
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: of bodily autonomy. and looking towards more freedoms and protection
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: for women. So people are like, maybe we should be
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: a part of politics. I think we need to actually
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: be in here. Again, this happened way before then, but
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: it kind of grew. Equal pay and options to actually
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: gain financial freedom and abortion rights are huge victories at
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: this time. So we do have Roe v. Wade during
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: this time. So like, oh, okay, big wins, big wins.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: Still stuck in a lot of the bad timelines still.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Back to third wave begins in the 80s and 90s.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: And there's debates about that. They're like, where did it
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: actually start? And we had the introduction of the Internet.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: And many argue the wave and technology is essentially like
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: just the overall usage of technology. And many argue this
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: wave was shaped by postmodern theory, and the definition for
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: that from botanica.com is a late 20th century movement characterized
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: by broad skepticism, subjectivism, or relativism, a general suspicion of reason,
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: and an acute sensitivity to the role of ideology in
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: asserting and maintaining political and economic power. It does Bringing
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: us back to intersectional feminism, as we talked about a
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: little earlier, coined by Kimberly Crenshaw, and she explains it
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: like this. A prism foreseeing the way in which various
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: forms of inequality often operate together and exacerbate each other.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: All inequality is not created equal. We tend to talk
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: about race inequality as separate from inequality based on gender, class, sexuality,
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: or immigrant status. What's often missing is how some people
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: are subject to all of these, and the experience is
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: not just the sum of its parts. So when I
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: was having this conversation with the person from Zumba, I
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: was trying to explain things like Kamala Harris and why
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: she had already all of these things weighed against her
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: and understanding that in this perspective, those who are the
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: most marginalized are the ones who have the intersectional feminism
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: as a need. Like we understand until everyone, including especially
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: the most marginalized, have equality, then no one truly has equality.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: And that's that intersectional level in this conversation. So she
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: was really OK, because we also talked about, as we
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: talked about with Georgia, Keisha Lance Bottoms was a lot
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: of misinformation that's been coming out against her. A lot
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: of straight out lies. But I will say she's killing
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: the debate. So dude didn't even show up to the
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: last debate. So there's that. But moving on, this wave
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: questions the gender binary as well. Pushing the narrative also
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: the girl boss and girl power kind of comes into here. Power, power,
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: power puff girls. Was this around this time? Do you
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: know what I'm talking about?
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: I love the cartoon.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, like, you know, this kind of,
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: it's like, oh, yeah, girl power. Actually, this is cool.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: Sailor Moon, I'm sure, is around this time as well. Like,
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: you just love that I'm mentioning these.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: My eyes just went, like, all moody.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: She did. She's like, aw, aw. And then there were
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: controversies that dealt with the idea of sexual freedom versus over-sexualization.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: So we have this sexual freedom conversation. This became big,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: and we talked about it not too long ago. in
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: our past episodes about asexuality. Go check those out. To
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: bringing us to today, the fourth wave. So the timing
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: is debated again. They're saying around 2007, 2012. This is
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: kind of when it was born. And though we have
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: regressed in many, many ways, this era seems to have
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: a more justice level of element to it. So we
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: have the increased usage of social media or the beginning
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: of social media, honestly. And this really changed a lot
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: of how we see feminism or the wave, why it changed.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: We have historical eras, including the call-out era. People are
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: really talking about what that looks like and what that did.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: We have the hashtag MeToo, which is what brought me
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: on in this conversation because we talked about trigger warnings
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: and people were upset that this existed. And I'm like, no,
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: this is important. Let's talk about why it's important. And
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Annie's like, okay, I will talk about my trauma for you,
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: I guess. I appreciate you for that. The Women's March
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: also was during this time and really did bring a
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: different look at how women really stepped forward into leadership.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Also still that conversation of like, why aren't women of
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: color here? Also, the more marginalized communities like the queer people,
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: where are they? Why are we not talking about trans women?
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Why are we not looking at them? Okay. Moving on.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: And there's a lot more activism in politics, ending sexual
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: violence and equity over equality. So this has become a
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: part of the fourth wave, which we are currently, many say,
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: So this is from ThatSimplePsychology.com, a quote from them. The
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: fourth wave has several main goals. It calls out social
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: injustice and those responsible. It also aims to educate others
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: on feminist issues and stay inclusive of all groups of women.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Hello.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: That's what we're talking about. So today we have continually
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: talked about the fact that it feels like a cycle.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: The good, the bad, the good, the bad. It just
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: feels like we're rolling wheel of the same issues or
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: at least similar issues and kind of forgotten why it
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: was a problem to begin with and come back to, okay,
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: that's a problem. Let's fix it.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: It's very reactionary.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: And it gets a headache. It may be because I'm
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: in my midlife, technically. Yeah. You know, if I'm healthy
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: enough to continue to live, privileged enough to do that.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: But watching some of the same issues coming round and
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: round again, it's both discouraging and encouraging because I think
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: the discouraging part is, again, we're talking about the same things.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: This is like I went from childhood where it felt
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: a little easier in some ways to this. Like when
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: we talk about race, it has changed into such a
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: volatile state. And I think part of that is because
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: social media has allowed for rage baiting in such a
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: way and the bots, we're coming back to the bots
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: in a minute, that it has made it even more heightened.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: So it seems. But also encouraging because we see people
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: still coming back to fight it. We know in the end,
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: not in the end, we know in it brings out
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: heroes and amazing individuals who really choose to push back
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: and have the courage. I love seeing younger generations come
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: back and understanding that's not what they want. So they
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: try to come through the system and fighting that system. Again,
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: I love that. So it's that up and down of like, oh, God, why? But, oh,
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: thank God. You know, like those are the things. And
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: we know the play. And we have the repeated conversations.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: But we have to keep talking about it. I think
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: the other encouraging part to this is every time we
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: come back to it, we understand the faults and we
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: find different ways and different people to include. And I
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: think having those different perspectives has helped. So maybe... this
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: is a bad simulation and we're just getting better with it?
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: You think we're in the Matrix? Is that what you're saying?
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Some bad simulation for sure. I just started,
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: by the way, Dungeon Crawler Carl.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Carl. Yes.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: And I didn't realize that's what this was. That was
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: kind of.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Shout out to the person on the boat that
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: was wearing, in our meet and greet, was wearing a
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Dungeon Crawl Crawler Carl shirt. I saw it. I recognized it.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: I didn't.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: I'm getting there though. But yeah, so with that, like
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: it does feel like that sometimes. I do feel like
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: we're having an upswing. And I say this holding my
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: breath a little bit. And these are some of the
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: reasons why. So the awful incident with what they call
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: the Cornell 7 or 57. And I think that is
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: more accurately put because an entire group of men really
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: let a woman be victimized. and brutally harmed, even those
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: who didn't approve of it were still a part of
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: it because they knew what was happening and they did
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: nothing to stop it. And they're probably on the same
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: people who were like, we have to cover it up,
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: which is what we've seen constantly. But with that, I've
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: heard of a lot of people calling this the Gen
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: Z hashtag Me Too movement with the I am Jane
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: Doe posts, which we had some really good conversations amongst
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: each other in this level of understanding why this is important,
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: sharing these stories are important, even if it feels not
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: as bad or even feels even worse, that these conversations
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: are important to continue because we're still educating people. And
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: I feel like in this level, even though we have
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: jerks in here who want to rage bait, I've seen
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: more people coming out and being like, no, this is bad.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: And understanding and for the first time recognizing or maybe
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: finally recognizing why this is bad instead of having to
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: be completely taught. Um, I'm seeing a lot of younger
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: generations get that. Of course, there's still red pill, but
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: they also know why it's wrong. Like, it's not like
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: they're surprised by it as opposed to they're just fully
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: leaning into it because they don't care. So, you know,
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: like that feels a little better, at least understanding people
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: know that it's wrong here as before we weren't sure. Like,
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: I know like that whole level of for the longest
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: time feeling like consent meant just being present, just dating someone,
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: you know, or like, um, or just not being awake.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: And I feel like we've gotten past that now. We're
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: getting to that point of understanding, no, this is obviously wrong.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: They're making other excuses, but this one is not working
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: as it was before. So as horrible as this incident is,
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: I love the level of protection and how quickly people,
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: when this incident was made public, how quickly people have
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: become very aware and very protective of the victim as well.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: And the victim coming out sharing her recordings and understanding
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: that she is taking a big risk in sharing these recordings.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: F * * * Megyn Kelly because this woman who
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: left a job because she was being sexually harassed and
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: then started her own network wants to accuse this woman
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: of not being a victim. The level of hypocrisy there
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: is beyond me. Like, girl, you kind of went through
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: this and this is what you want to do?
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: I know. She was attacked multiple times. Like, outside of
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: the sexual harassment. But, you know, oh, there's a woman
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: on her period. She's emotional and we can't trust her. Like,
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: she experienced a lot of different types of harassment and discrimination.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: And for her to come out and be like, no,
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: don't buy it. It's terrible. That's a frustrating and horrible look.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: Another thing that I have found joy this week, y'all,
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: the Ukrainian bombing of the bot farms in Russia.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: Girl, the way I've been looking, I've been like reading
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: the comments. And usually when you see generic comments, you're
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: just like, oh, no, no, no. The amount of other
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: bad comments being gone the last two days. Beautiful. It
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: is so peaceful.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: I've heard, I'm not on social media a lot, but
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: I told you my friend has been like texting me
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: screenshots of it and how people are just like, it's
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: so nice now.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: It's insane. Like I'm like, oh, wow, I knew it
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: was bad. But the amount, and I'm really hoping maybe
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: that this is going to change some perspectives for now about, oh,
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: maybe not everybody feels the way I do. Like they
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: need to know shame. that they need to understand they've
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: been bought by Russian bots.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I feel kind of validated because it's not infrequently,
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: especially in episodes about fandoms like Star Wars, where I've
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: had to say, you know, 70% of these reviews are these,
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: that they're Russian bots. And that's really negatively influencing... how
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: people view something before maybe they've seen it, or even
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: if they have seen it. And it does feel kind
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: of like a huge, bizarre number, but it is true,
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: and I, like, see it. Now the bots are gone, like, yep.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: And we know there's scrambling to come back, and we
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: know there's bots from other countries, but it's very obvious
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: who the Russian bots are working for.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Very obvious. Yep.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: Just leaving it at that. With that, another kind of
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: interesting swing. I don't know, because I told you about
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: it earlier, and I'm wondering if we might be able
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: to talk about it later with Bridget. I don't know.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: But that Justin Baldoni's lawyer, and we talked a little
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: bit about Justin Baldoni's case against Blake Lively. He is
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: being sued for malpractice due to the fact that several
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: women have come out saying that he has, using smear campaigns,
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: against women who may be going after other men or things.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: And there have been five, I think five, four or
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: five women who have come out with actual examples and
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: recordings of him talking about how to do this and
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: how to get rid of women, quote unquote. And by
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: the way, he was also Johnny Depp's lawyer. And I
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: know we talked about Amber Heard's case before as well,
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: who still people want to be like, again, that could
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: be bots going back to. But it's interesting to see
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: this come out because we've been talking about it for years.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: We've been talking about it with Bridget previously, like I said,
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: with the Blake Lively case, as well as the Amber
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: Heard case. This dude, he's done it. And he's done
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: it in a way that should be illegal, but now
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: it's coming out. So we'll see what happens with this.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: And I think it's an amazing forward that it's actually
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: coming out. And we're seeing proof about what has been
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: happening and what he has done to these women who
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: are typically victims of men and trying to get away
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: from them. Yeah. The not so great things that are happening.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: I know the weaponizing of trans people for political stuff.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: It's been happening. That's been the number one platform. We
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: know this. I'm not going to lie, Annie. I was
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: in South Carolina recently and they had ads pulling and
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: I was kind of confused because my partner's mom has
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: already been telling me how this one Democratic candidate who
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: is a pediatrician, she has been attacked for quote unquote
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: doing surgery. on young children to make them trans. And
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: I was like, what? What's happening? What's happening? And then
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: how she's having to react to just that. Honestly, they're
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: not able to talk about a lot of the politics
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: because of that. And then I saw an ad. Annie,
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: this ad is a grown man with a beard. They
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: dye his beard pink. He's wearing a dress. And there's
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: a young girl crying with a ball in her hand.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: And he's coming, lurking around the corner. This is the
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: most comically disturbing advertising to get her. And then the
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: Republican candidate who's paid for this walks out and goes
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: and rescues her. And then comes out with, so-and-so, other candidate,
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: wants your children, to kidnap your children, all these things.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: And I was like, what is.
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: Is this working? This has got to be a joke.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: And then immediately after... the response from that candidate, her
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: point is, I do not support men in women's sports.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: And I was like, whoa. That is a dog whistle.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: And I'm not sure who told her to say this
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: because I'm like, that feels very anti-trans. I was only
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: there for a brief second and I was like, what?
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: And I haven't seen ads here in Georgia. And our
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: ads are ridiculous. Don't get me wrong. But I don't
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: feel like it was that level of, Of ridiculousness. And
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: maybe it's because they're not women. Yeah. Except for Keisha
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: Lance Bottoms. Oh, yeah.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: There is one against Keisha Lance Bottoms that is violent.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: Calm down, everybody.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: Is it like trans? It's not trans. Is it violence
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: in black people?
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: Is that the stereotype they're using?
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: It's basically saying she lets people with guns run the
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: streets and threaten everybody. Yeah.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: Did they not know that they're the... The other party
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: of the NRA?
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: And that Kim is the one that actually took off, like,
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: having permits?
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: Apparently not.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: Do they forget this?
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be really honest with you, though. I'm
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: very good at the skip button, so I've only seen
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: the first 15 seconds of this ad.
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: And maybe that's why, again, because this was on the
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: cable network, and the level of, like, confusion I had of, like, Does,
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: is this working? Do the right truly believe.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: This?
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: So, but we already know in this conversation too, like
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: playing into that and having a dog whistle saying, I
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: don't believe men should be in women's sports. I'm like,
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: oh shit, that is not the way to go either.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: And I was very like sad to see that happening. But, like,
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: it was an interesting tactic, and I'm very disappointed that
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: this is happening, and I cannot believe we're still here
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: in this level of conversation. And then also, like, BTWs,
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: vote early if you're in Georgia, anywhere in red states,
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: because we do have, apparently, our executive director for the
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: board of voting and all of that. elections decided to
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: send a letter to the president uh presidential uh federal
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: level to send in the national guard and feds to
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: our election even though there's no emergency there's no reason
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: to um his own people who are on the committee,
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: a Republican, by the way, have come out and said
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: that they did not approve that letter. And he did
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: that without approval. And that he does many things that
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: they can't control. So this is where we talk about, like,
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: we have a conversation a long time ago. We talked
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: about it with Melody. We need to bring her back.
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: About this a while ago with the elections. They are
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: doing so much to try to take away our voting rights.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: They've already kind of, you know, scrubbed all of the
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: voting rights that we did have. But with that, intimidating people,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: taking people off of the registration, arresting people, accusing people.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: But early voting is something that we can do. If
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: you have that opportunity, if you have the privilege to
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: be able to do it, that actually will be less
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: likely to be messed with. So if that's a possibility,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: go and do it. This is really, really, really, really,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: really important. Some interesting takes that I've been seeing recently.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: There's a lot happening in.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: Our country.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: We thought we'd do a quick review. And again, we'll
• 1:00:36
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• 1:00:39
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• 1:00:43
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• 1:00:47
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• 1:00:49
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• 1:00:53
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