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HORRIBLE HOWIE: MONEY MANAGER LURES VICTIMS INTO SOUNDPROOF DUNGEON, COPS · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Horrible Howie, that's Howard Ruben, millionaire money manager, accused of
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  Speaker 2: luring then attacking women in his specially made sound proof
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  Speaker 2: dungeon in his.
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  Speaker 1: Multimillion dollar penthouse.
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  Speaker 2: According to police, Wow, luring women into a sound proof dungeon,
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  Speaker 2: even tying them up, cuffing them to across across the
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  Speaker 2: Holy Cross that Cross, torturing them with an electric cattle prod.
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  Speaker 1: What can I.
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  Speaker 2: Get on that jury? Can I get on that jury?
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  Speaker 2: See Grace, this is Crime Stories. I want to thank
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  Speaker 2: you for being with us.
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  Speaker 3: Former financier Howard Rubin, once a powerful figure in the
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  Speaker 3: world of finance, is now facing explosive charges for allegedly
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  Speaker 3: running a sex trafficking operation spanning more than a decade.
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  Speaker 2: Howard Ruben, multi millionaire financier, A money manager.
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  Speaker 1: That's what he's called a money manager.
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  Speaker 2: He manages other people's money, much like Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein,
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  Speaker 2: who apparently brought in, you know, a couple of million dollars,
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  Speaker 2: but somehow was transferring out five hundred million dollars to
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  Speaker 2: overseas accounts, including Russian banks that were on the US
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  Speaker 2: watch list. What is it with these money managers. And
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  Speaker 2: how does this guy, not Epstein, but Ruben allegedly loure women,
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  Speaker 2: educated women into his sex dungeon that he personally had
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  Speaker 2: sound proofed. Okay, right there, right there, I need a shrink.
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  Speaker 2: Right now, let's go straight out to doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst,
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  Speaker 2: joining us out of la She's the author of deal Breaker.
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  Speaker 2: You can see her now on peacock and find her
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  Speaker 2: a doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Right there, a soundproof dungeon.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, when an artisan a worker gets to call
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  Speaker 2: from a dude that wants a sound proof dungeon and
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  Speaker 2: you go in there and you see it's a torture chamber,
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  Speaker 2: doesn't that like wave a red flag of alarm? What
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  Speaker 2: freak wants a sound proof torture dungeon?
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  Speaker 4: A freak who has sexual sadism disorder in other words,
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  Speaker 4: somebody who can only get sexually aroused when the victim
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  Speaker 4: is humiliated, frightened, or terrified. And Nancy, maybe this is
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  Speaker 4: why he's a financial planner.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe he needed to make a lot of money so
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  Speaker 5: he could build that dungeon and buy all of that equipment.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's just take it from the top.
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  Speaker 6: Listen to this Wall Street money manager Howard Rubin busted
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  Speaker 6: by FEDS at his Fairfield, Connectic get home for decade
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  Speaker 6: long sex trafficking with the help of assistant Jennifer Powers.
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  Speaker 6: Howie Rubin accused of luring women into BDSM sex sessions,
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  Speaker 6: then torturing and raping them. Ten Jane Doees listed as
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  Speaker 6: victims in the indictment, but prosecutors say there are dozens
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  Speaker 6: more and are calling for tips.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me an all star panel to make sense of
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  Speaker 2: what we know right now, Straight out to Megan Palin,
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  Speaker 2: senior journalist from the New York Post who has been
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  Speaker 2: all over this, I mean really now, everybody here in
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  Speaker 2: the studio is piping up that it only costs five
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  Speaker 2: thousand dollars to soundproof a dungeon.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know where they have that knowledge, but that said,
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  Speaker 1: this guy, I wouldn't call him just a money.
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  Speaker 2: Manager, would you, because he's he's millions and.
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  Speaker 1: Millions of dollars.
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  Speaker 2: I don't mean one or two million dollars, I mean
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  Speaker 2: multi millions of dollars. And this has been going on
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  Speaker 2: for a long time. Why has it just been uncovered?
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  Speaker 2: But let's just start at the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: Who is this guy, Howard Ruben.
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  Speaker 7: He grew up in Massachusetts. He's got a chemical engineering degree.
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  Speaker 7: He was very successful on Wall Street once he moved in,
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  Speaker 7: originally as a bond trader and then kind of climbed
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  Speaker 7: his way up through the ranks from there and ended
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  Speaker 7: up becoming so successful at least financially. And he moved
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  Speaker 7: around in troppy philanthropic circles. He was well known for donating.
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  Speaker 2: Wait her, put her up, Megan Palin, you just said
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  Speaker 2: he quote moved around in philanthropic circles.
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  Speaker 1: You mean he was a benefactor.
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  Speaker 2: He gave a lot of money away, and everybody thinks, oh,
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  Speaker 2: Howard Rubens, this great guy that cares about the needy
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  Speaker 2: b s. According to police Megan, he is strapping women
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  Speaker 2: to the.
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  Speaker 1: Holy Cross, you know, and.
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  Speaker 2: I feel about that and other apparatus and then electrocuting
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  Speaker 2: them in their genitals with an electric cattle prad. Let's say,
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  Speaker 2: that's what gets my attention, not his fate philanthropy, of course.
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  Speaker 1: And absolutely it's what he was known for.
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  Speaker 7: Prior to while he was obviously hiding or it was
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  Speaker 7: a well kept secret in terms of publicly this extremely sadistic, dark,
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  Speaker 7: horrid side of himself, which is now. I mean the
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  Speaker 7: claims first came out about ten years ago, so he
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  Speaker 7: has been known for these things for some time now.
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  Speaker 1: But this is sort of very way wait wait, wait again.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry to interrupt, but Meghan, did you say that
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  Speaker 2: this was this was like an open secret.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone knew what was.
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  Speaker 7: Happening ten years ago when their first civil suit was
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  Speaker 7: filed in twenty seventeen. Yes, that's when it all first
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  Speaker 7: sort of coming here, he started coming undone.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, first civil suit was over, was about ten years ago. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: joining me right now is a renowned criminal defense attorney,
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  Speaker 2: a veteran trial lawyer, founder.
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  Speaker 1: Of Ruben Law. No relation.
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  Speaker 2: I assume Danny Rubin is joining us out of La Danny,
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  Speaker 2: before you put on your defense hat and start arguing
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  Speaker 2: with me, can I just talk about the duality here,
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  Speaker 2: The duality of going to these you know, ten thousand
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  Speaker 2: dollars a plate, philanthropic events dinners where rich people walk
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  Speaker 2: around sniffing of each other.
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  Speaker 1: And it's a scene.
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  Speaker 2: It's a scene like a nightclub scene or you know,
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  Speaker 2: just any scene.
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  Speaker 1: The same people.
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  Speaker 2: Go over and over and over, and I'm glad they do,
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  Speaker 2: because they do wonderful things for the needy. But the
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  Speaker 2: facade that he has created of this bit of factor,
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  Speaker 2: while all the time the word is he's torturing women
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  Speaker 2: and a sex dungeon after luring them.
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  Speaker 1: There just that.
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  Speaker 2: Duality, you know, you tell that to a jury, it's like.
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  Speaker 1: Putting a nun up for the defense. Of course they're
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  Speaker 1: going to a believer.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, I think that the duality is important. I
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  Speaker 8: agree with you. On the one hands, it might be
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  Speaker 8: a mask to what's going on elsewhere. On the other
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  Speaker 8: he might actually care about certain things that he's donating to.
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  Speaker 8: But I do want to say that these things are
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  Speaker 8: alleged right now, they're they're not a given, they're not proven,
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  Speaker 8: and he's innocent, soil proven guilty. I think we have
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  Speaker 8: a lot more to get into before we can start
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  Speaker 8: casting judgment on whether.
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  Speaker 1: Did or didn't Reben.
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  Speaker 2: Anybody watching crime stories knows about the presumption of innocence,
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  Speaker 2: and as predicted, you only gave the first portion of
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  Speaker 2: that charge to the jury, or presumption of innocence, and
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  Speaker 2: I believe you will agree with me that the actual
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  Speaker 2: charge is that the defendant is presumed innocent I would
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  Speaker 2: like to see him, please, that's not him. The charge
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  Speaker 2: is to the jury that the defendant is presumed innocent
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  Speaker 2: unless and until the state pierces and overcomes that presumption
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  Speaker 2: with evidence proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
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  Speaker 1: You always seem to kind of leave off.
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  Speaker 2: The left last half of that sentence regarding presumption of innocence.
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  Speaker 1: Reuben is presumed innocent.
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  Speaker 2: He is innocent tonight unless and until the state pierces
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  Speaker 2: the presumption of innocence with evidence beyond reasonable doubt. Would
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  Speaker 2: you agree that that is the judicial charge.
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  Speaker 8: I agree that that's the charge. But all we have
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  Speaker 8: right now is the public is the indictment, and whatever's
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  Speaker 8: in the civil suit. I personally am looking forward to
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  Speaker 8: what transpires in this case. I want to see what
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  Speaker 8: the alleged witnesses have to say. A grand jury has
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  Speaker 8: heard it. I would like to hear it. I think
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  Speaker 8: the public should hear it. And I think as we
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  Speaker 8: get closer to trial day than this, if it does
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  Speaker 8: ever go to trial, we'll start to hear more and
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  Speaker 8: more about the evidence.
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  Speaker 2: Danny Rubin another question to you, and again, this is
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  Speaker 2: neither defens or state oriented. It's like a horrible deja vous.
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  Speaker 2: It's happening all over again.
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  Speaker 1: We just saw this with Sean Combs, we saw it
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  Speaker 1: with r.
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  Speaker 2: Kelly, We saw it with Epstein over and over and over.
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  Speaker 2: Where As you just heard Megan Palin with the New
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  Speaker 2: York Post stay that there was a civil suit the
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  Speaker 2: same things in twenty seventeen.
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  Speaker 1: Where's the government? Where are they?
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  Speaker 2: Why has it taken them seven years to bring this
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  Speaker 2: case to a criminal trial.
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  Speaker 1: I have a problem with that. What have they been doing?
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  Speaker 8: I think what they were waiting for was the trial
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  Speaker 8: that took place, I believe in twenty twenty two or
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  Speaker 8: twenty twenty three. They wanted to see what testimony came out.
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  Speaker 8: I think that Howard testified in that case, both at
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  Speaker 8: his deposition and then a trial. They want to make
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  Speaker 8: sure that they have a slam dunk case, considering they
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  Speaker 8: have an egg on their face from the Ditty case.
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  Speaker 8: I know that. I mean, we all know that didn't
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  Speaker 8: go the way that the Ausa's office wanted it to go.
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  Speaker 8: Getting four years in change is not was not the
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  Speaker 8: goal of the office. So I think now they're bringing
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  Speaker 8: this case and they want to make sure they have
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  Speaker 8: an ironclad I can't promise you they do. No one
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  Speaker 8: really knows that yet. But again, as more evidence comes out,
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  Speaker 8: we'll see how well this case is.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, this guy with every advantage still charged with major,
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  Speaker 2: major offenses, sex offenses and more.
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  Speaker 1: Who is this guy? Listen?
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  Speaker 3: Ruben is accused of luring victims, first in luxury Manhattan
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  Speaker 3: hotels and later his eighteen thousand dollars per month penthouse
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  Speaker 3: apartment equipped with a soundproof sex dungeon. Women were bound
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  Speaker 3: on a bed or across and beaten and electrocuted while
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  Speaker 3: they were provided with a safe word. The pleas of
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  Speaker 3: those who weren't gagged went ignored, and the torture often
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  Speaker 3: continued even when a woman fell unconscious. Ruben allegedly paid
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  Speaker 3: the women several thousand dollars afterwards, including for injuries that
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  Speaker 3: required medical attention, like a flipped breast implant.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that sounds really painful. A flipped breast implant. It
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  Speaker 2: goes so much further than that. Lynn Shaw joining me,
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  Speaker 2: founder and director of Lynn's Warriors, dedicated to the eradication
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  Speaker 2: of sex fploitation of women and sex trafficking, and let
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  Speaker 2: me remind you it is a non profit. She's certainly
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  Speaker 2: not doing it for the money. How is it that
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  Speaker 2: these multi millionaires mingle at, for instance, charity functions for
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  Speaker 2: ten twenty thousand dollars a plate for Pete's sake, and
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  Speaker 2: nobody will call them on their bad behavior, and we
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  Speaker 2: see it over and over again. There's did He we
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  Speaker 2: pointed out, this is R Near with NXVM. There is Epstein,
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  Speaker 2: there is R. Kelly, There's Jared Fogel. I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: could just list them off the top of my head,
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  Speaker 2: on and on and on, rich or famous.
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  Speaker 1: People that get away with this. And as in.
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  Speaker 2: Your backyard, Landshaw, what you may have brust amos with
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  Speaker 2: this guy.
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  Speaker 4: I am living in the devil's playground. This building is
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  Speaker 4: around the corner for me, and it has tighter security
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  Speaker 4: than Fork Knox. He was arrested directly across the street.
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  Speaker 4: Epstein was a neighbor. I ask you, where has everybody been?
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  Speaker 1: What is going on?
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  Speaker 4: Who was complicit with this? This Jennifer Powers and this
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  Speaker 4: Howard Rubert And I'm not giving him a cute nickname
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  Speaker 4: because I am disgusted in the name of all of
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  Speaker 4: the victims. How was this allowed to go on for
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  Speaker 4: so long? How did for instance, door men and medical
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  Speaker 4: professionals and other people. It wasn't just these two doing
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  Speaker 4: all this, not ten you know, not see things with
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  Speaker 4: these women. And yes, in New York, they just seem
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  Speaker 4: to float because you know, what happens in New York
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  Speaker 4: happens in other places too. Money talks. That's all People
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  Speaker 4: care about money or taking a picture with somebody of
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  Speaker 4: wealth and floating around town and showing up at events.
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  Speaker 4: But you know what, people knew. People knew because we
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  Speaker 4: started hearing a lot of whispers two to three years
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  Speaker 4: ago about this, and we also heard that women were
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  Speaker 4: warning other women, do not, no matter how much money
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  Speaker 4: is thrown at you, do not go and visit with
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  Speaker 4: this guy. As they put it to me, do not
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  Speaker 4: get near this guy. So I ask everybody again, we're
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  Speaker 4: on repeat. Let's talk about the victims, let's talk about
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  Speaker 4: who's helping them, and let's talk about why the justice
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  Speaker 4: system is taking so long to do anything about all
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  Speaker 4: of these cases. I mean, who's next. I expect tomorrow
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  Speaker 4: another case to pop up in my neighborhood.
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  Speaker 1: My case has been going on for a years.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of the perfect facade, and this guy's philanthropic worked
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  Speaker 2: his charity work, and how many dollars he gave away
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  Speaker 2: to the needy, how many fancy gallas he went to?
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  Speaker 2: What were the FEDS and the local authorities LA law enforcement?
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  Speaker 2: My people blinded by his money and his local famele
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  Speaker 2: I'm not blinded.
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  Speaker 1: Here is part of his facade.
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  Speaker 9: Rubin becomes a Wall Street commodity while he trades bonds
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  Speaker 9: at Solomon Brothers. Rubin profiled in Michael Lewis's book Poker
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  Speaker 9: for his contributions to the collateralized mortgage obligation market. Ruben
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  Speaker 9: goes on to senior positions at Merrill Lynch, bear Stearn's
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  Speaker 9: and Soros Fund Management. Mary's fellow financier Mary Henry, and
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  Speaker 9: the couple is very active in the NYC philanthropy scene.
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  Speaker 9: After three children and thirty six years of marriage, Henry
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  Speaker 9: divorces her husband when he is accused of sexual violence.
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  Speaker 3: Howard Rubin and his former assistant Jennifer Powers have allegedly
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  Speaker 3: been drafficking and transporting at least half a dozen women
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  Speaker 3: across state lines for a decade. Most of these women
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  Speaker 3: were former playboy models.
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  Speaker 2: These women educated beautiful, many of them models, And he
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  Speaker 2: would I act like he's taking them out on a date.
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  Speaker 2: We've spoken to restaurant employees state, Oh, here comes Ruben,
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  Speaker 2: Here comes horrible Howie, who had always had these beautiful
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  Speaker 2: statuesque women with him. They would charge like hundreds and hundreds,
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  Speaker 2: even thousands of dollars, and then he would take them
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  Speaker 2: up to his penthouse. I don't know where his wife
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  Speaker 2: was during all of this. And we're showing you this
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  Speaker 2: because many of them were modeled after this. It ruined
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  Speaker 2: their careers. That is when they would be lured.
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  Speaker 1: Into his soundproof sex dungeon.
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  Speaker 2: One thing that is perplexing me is a woman named
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  Speaker 2: Jennifer Powers. Jennifer Powers his personal yes, her personal assistant.
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  Speaker 1: How does she fit into this Listen.
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  Speaker 6: Ruben tak Jennifer Powers, his personal assistant with recruiting victims.
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  Speaker 6: Powers is arrested at her home in a Dallas Fort
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  Speaker 6: Worth suburb, accused of running the day to day operations
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  Speaker 6: of Ruben sex trafficking scheme and being paid handsomely. Powers
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  Speaker 6: arranged the victims travel and coerce them into signing NDAs
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  Speaker 6: that were later used to threaten legal consequences and public shame.
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  Speaker 6: Powers oversaw the victim's payments, distributing funds from Ruben and
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  Speaker 6: amounts up to ten thousand dollars per session and end
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  Speaker 6: be a.
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  Speaker 1: Non disclosure agreement. You've heard of those.
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  Speaker 2: That's where you get someone to sign away, usually in
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  Speaker 2: exchange for something the ability to ever discuss what they
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  Speaker 2: have witnessed. Okay, who is Jennifer Powers? The Devil's Menion?
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  Speaker 2: According to prosecutors Meghan Palin joining us from the New
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  Speaker 2: York Post, Meghan, who is Powers?
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  Speaker 7: I was started out as Reuben's personal assistant in twenty eleven, and,
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  Speaker 7: according to the indictment, quickly became basically his aide for
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  Speaker 7: this alleged sex trafficking scheme.
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  Speaker 1: This guy Howard Rubin.
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  Speaker 2: It's just amazing to me too, Danny Rubin, no relation.
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  Speaker 1: I hope he had everything going for him.
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  Speaker 2: He graduates with a degree in engineering that's not easy
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  Speaker 2: from Lafayette College, then goes on and gets his NBA
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  Speaker 2: at Harvard. I'm sure Harvard is so proud tonight that
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  Speaker 2: yet another one of their NBA grats has gone onto greatness.
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  Speaker 2: He had everything going for him. How did he degenerate
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  Speaker 2: into this? You know, very often we see criminal defendants that,
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  Speaker 2: let's just say, our dope dealers, no education, rap sheet
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  Speaker 2: as long as your arm starting in juvenile court. This
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  Speaker 2: guy was pristine. He had a choice not to do this.
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  Speaker 1: Reuben.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, honestly, everyone's actions are their own. But
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  Speaker 8: first and foremost, let.
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  Speaker 1: Me just wait, that's what you've got to say.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone's actions are their own. Please, Ruben, tell me something
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm talking about someone with so much advantage,
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  Speaker 2: a silver spoon stuck down their mouth at birth. They've
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  Speaker 2: got it all, yet they resort to a life of crime,
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  Speaker 2: horrible crime. This isn't a t by teeth if by taking.
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  Speaker 2: This is not a five dollars crack kit. This is
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  Speaker 2: violent crime on women where he would beat them and
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  Speaker 2: their face and their breast. That's how that breast implant
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  Speaker 2: got flipped. That didn't just happen. I mean, how do
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  Speaker 2: you go from having it all to this?
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  Speaker 8: Well?
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  Speaker 1: There are two ways they look at this. The first
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  Speaker 1: is is he.
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  Speaker 8: Is he doing this of his own volition? Is it
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  Speaker 8: actually his own conduct? Or is it the product of
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  Speaker 8: mental health issue as Megan talked about.
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  Speaker 2: Ear Please let me see him say this. Okay, you
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  Speaker 2: are you do have a straight face. This is a
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  Speaker 2: Harvard NBA worth millions and millions of dollars near forty
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  Speaker 2: million dollars.
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  Speaker 1: He had the sense to call and hey.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, can you soundproof my sex dungeon so I can
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  Speaker 2: torture flight attendants?
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  Speaker 1: Really, and you're saying there's a minimum? What are you saying?
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  Speaker 8: Seeing it's possible, I think that we can't rule it
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  Speaker 8: out until someone takes a look at him and says, okay, well,
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  Speaker 8: what's the issue. There's certainly a divide and certainly something
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  Speaker 8: antisocial if what's said in the complaint is true. If
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  Speaker 8: someone is actually a.
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  Speaker 2: Mental illness to hurt that antisocial? Okay, what that's not
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: a mental illness? Anti social? Is your illness antisocial? Like
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: that's misleading people to think that is a mental illness, rube,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: and it's not.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: It's cool.
• 20:26
  Speaker 8: My point is that maybe I miss misspoke by saying
• 20:29
  Speaker 8: anti social. What I mean is that it's not normal.
• 20:31
  Speaker 8: Normal people aren't making sex dungeons, Normal people aren't torturing
• 20:35
  Speaker 8: other people, just not done. So the question is, like
• 20:38
  Speaker 8: you said before, why is it because you had the
• 20:41
  Speaker 8: privilege or because there's something else that's a little bit deeper.
• 20:44
  Speaker 8: Maybe it's both, But I think.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: That are you suggesting motive. You said that.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: I think that's why it's it's really not. State doesn't
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: have to prove you do law. You're right, you can't
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: just throw that out there and pretend and think I'm
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: not going to hear it thing.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: It's going to be mitigative.
• 21:01
  Speaker 8: I think that if if there is an issue of
• 21:03
  Speaker 8: mental health, of mental health me come up later at sentencing.
• 21:07
  Speaker 8: But I think the question is, and I would owe
• 21:09
  Speaker 8: it to a client, is to figure out why this
• 21:10
  Speaker 8: actually happened and at least get them assessed. And like
• 21:15
  Speaker 8: I said before, this is entirely adnormal behavior. If what's
• 21:17
  Speaker 8: in the complaint is.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: True crime stories with Nancy Grace, please, I would away
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: throw those law books he's got behind him. See all
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: those law books behind you, Raybon, I bet you can't
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: find one law book one case that was actually affirmed
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: on peel that says anti social behavior equals mental defect
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: or not normal as you put it, equals a mental
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: illness that's not going to happen. Can you point to
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: one of those books behind you? It showed me one
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: case that was affirmed where that actually worked. Yes, I
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: know we've got.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: The twinkie defense.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: We've got the pre minstal defense, We've got the temporary
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: insanity defense.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: All of those aren't legit.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: They've actually worked in court, but not normal or anti
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: social behavior has not worked as a mental defect.
• 22:19
  Speaker 8: No, I completely agree with you. What I meant, what
• 22:22
  Speaker 8: I what I'm trying to say is that it's mitigated.
• 22:26
  Speaker 8: I think that if there is, let's say, a conviction
• 22:28
  Speaker 8: down the line, something that's going to factor into sentencing.
• 22:32
  Speaker 8: And I think that if you do have some sort
• 22:35
  Speaker 8: of mental health issue, the question is going to be
• 22:38
  Speaker 8: does it actually is it sufficient enough that he didn't
• 22:41
  Speaker 8: understand what he was doing was wrong at the time.
• 22:44
  Speaker 8: I don't necessarily think you'd get there with sufficient evidence.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Why do you think it was chamber?
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: It is a secret because he knew he had to
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: hide it, because he knows that beating women.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: In their breasts is wrong.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Okay, you know what I have mined this feel I've
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: exhausted it. I'm gonna let Danny Rubin think about what
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: he just said. Doctor Bethany Marshall help me out. This
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: guy did so much to conceal his behavior, and as
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know, Ruben might come up with a case
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: that actually says differently, But I don't think so. Evidence before, during,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: and after an event a crime can be shown to
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: a jury. Why what matters before and after the crime? Intent,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: course of conduct, frame of mind, motive that shows, for instance,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: if you flee the scene, it shows, Hey, I got
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: to get out of here.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: I know I just killed somebody, or I just committed
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: a crime.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Keeping his sex dungeon secretive to me would be evidence
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: of knowledge of guilt. But could you You got to
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: hand it to Ruben, all right, he wins a lot
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: of cases. And he said all that with a straight face,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: and I would say a good fifteen percent of it
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: was true.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Well, he said that.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: Ruben had a site like a mental health defect. He didn't.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: That would be schizophrenia, bipolar, something like that. He wouldn't
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: have got through Harvard with a psychiatric disorder.
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: He Now, Ruben did say anti social, which is a
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: fancy word for sociopath. So we could hold out in
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: the back of our minds, sociopaths relate to others through
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: cruelty and power illness. It is not a mental illness,
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: It's just a personality disorder.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Nancy.
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: Let's make clear Ruben could only get an erection.
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: By beating women up. That's it torturing them in reality.
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: In the real world, he's a little man with a
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: huge compulsion.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: He goes to these philanthropic events so he can mine
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: for victims people who are a sociopathic and I'm not sure,
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: I've never seen him, but they want to associate with
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: high network individuals because they can get something from them.
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: It makes them feel powerful, it makes them feel big,
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: and this is what he wanted to feel with his
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: victims down Nancy. He was very manipulative. Okay, he offered
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: them money, he would take them to these fancy.
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: Dinners, and he used the term BDSM as if this
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: was like a consensual relationship with somebody tying another person
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: up and then giving them a safe word, and when
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: that person says the safe word, you know you release
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: the ropes.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: This was not that.
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: This was a torture chamber dressed up as something different.
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: And one final thought, Nancy sociopassed, where's something that we
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: call the mask of sanity, meaning they know that they're
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: different from other people in society, so they learn to
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: move and act in a way that appears normal so
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: they can compensate for their defects, when in fact, this
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: guy had a compulsion that was organizing his entire life.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Bethany, please don't say defect anymore as it relates to
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Howard Rubin, because Dan Danny Rubin will hear that and
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: he will run with it, claiming there's some kind of
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: mental defect. Yeah, I forgot Ruben. I forgot to throw
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: in about him graduating from Harvard. Good luck trying to
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: claim mental defect. You know you're bringing to mind Brian Coberger.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: I hate to even say his name and his attempt
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: to claim he had some kind of mental defect because
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: he let's see, there were so many things he tried,
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: He tried that he was under the spectrum ocd oh.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: At the end, it was sad he was even claiming Danny.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: He was even claiming that he had an eating disorder,
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: as if that's somehow justified what he did or it
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: should be a mitigating factor in sentencing. In the end,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: it worked out pretty well for him because he had
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: a really weak prosecutor that kind.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Of let him off the hook.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: But Bethany, please, I'll say defect again because Ruben of
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: the Danny variety.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Will run with it like a dog and a Bone.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Dan Murphy former NYPD detective sergeant, Joint Terrorism Task Force,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: former chief security officer, US bank Or and star of
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: gold Shields podcast.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Also author Dan.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Usually I agree with you, but I'd like to point
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: out that this is right down the street from you,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: and everybody else knew what was going on, since there
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: was a civil suit back in twenty seventeen, but nobody
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: in LA law enforcement did anything. Why was he giving
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: too much to the police fund?
• 27:47
  Speaker 10: I wish I knew. I wish I knew why no
• 27:49
  Speaker 10: one did anything. Maybe maybe no one had come forward
• 27:53
  Speaker 10: and filed a formal complaint other than the civil one.
• 27:56
  Speaker 10: And as oddly as that sounds, there's a bureaucratic process
• 27:59
  Speaker 10: to file police reports to getting investigation started. Perhaps that
• 28:03
  Speaker 10: was the case. Perhaps someone looked into it and they
• 28:06
  Speaker 10: decided they needed more. Sometimes these investigations take a long
• 28:09
  Speaker 10: time to tie this up. On this one up right,
• 28:11
  Speaker 10: You're going to want to make sure you have credible witnesses.
• 28:14
  Speaker 10: You're going to want to make sure that you have
• 28:16
  Speaker 10: corroborative evidence, and you're going to want to make sure
• 28:18
  Speaker 10: you have somebody somebody flipping and giving this person up.
• 28:22
  Speaker 10: I would look to have tape recorded conversations with him
• 28:24
  Speaker 10: where he discusses this sort of thing. I'd look to
• 28:27
  Speaker 10: collect texts and emails and anything else I could that
• 28:30
  Speaker 10: can corroborate the stories being told by these victims. And
• 28:33
  Speaker 10: maybe that was going on. I don't know, but I
• 28:35
  Speaker 10: can tell you that the people I worked with the
• 28:37
  Speaker 10: law enforcement, if we had learned about this, they would
• 28:39
  Speaker 10: have been a case assistant.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: Jennifer Powers would handle the operations, logistics, recruiting and booking
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: the women's flights, managing payments, restocking his dungeon, and getting
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: the women to sign NDA's rubin, apparently spending over one
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: million dollars to fund the enterprise.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: At what point do you look up and say, why
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: am I restocking a torture chamber? I really didn't imagine
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: as a little girl that I would grow up restocking
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: a torture chamber.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Who is this woman?
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: You just heard Dan Murphy from gold Shields podcast, former
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: NYPD detective sergeant that Dan Murphy talking about when was
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: the first police report filed? Because cops can't just go
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: forward when nobody has made a complaint. Even though there
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: was a twenty seventeen civil lawsuit laying all of this
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: out right now. The fat's actually asking for victims to
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: come forward, much as they did in the Sean Combs case.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: But I'm going to get to Jennifer Powers, because I
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: find it very odd that she went along lockstep with
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: all of these crimes.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: According to police listen.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: For more than ten years, Powers entire life funded by
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: financi your boss, Howard Ruben down to her iTunes account.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Ruben's funding kicks in in twenty twelve, allowing Powers to
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: afford it nineteen sixty six convertible Lincoln Continental as a
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: wedding gift to her husband. The couple takes lavish vacations
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: in following years when their children are old enough to
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: attend school, Reuben Bank rules, private educations, and even a
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: mortgage for a home in the wealthy south Lake suburb
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: for Powers.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Holy moly.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, wait, he paid for a lavish wedding convertible Lincoln
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Continental Vintage, pays for a children's private school, and the
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: mortgage for their home and a ritzy suburb.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: In South Lake. Okay, you know what. It took criminal.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Investigators a long time to finally try and bring this
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: guy down. The guess who is about three inches up
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: their tail pipe. When criminal prosecutions fail, the taxman does.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: What's the cleanup listen?
• 31:02
  Speaker 9: Despite Powers working part time as a substitute teacher in
• 31:05
  Speaker 9: carol isd and her DJ husband reporting just forty thousand
• 31:09
  Speaker 9: dollars in income since twenty eighteen, the family pays off
• 31:12
  Speaker 9: five hundred thousand dollars in credit card bills, lives in
• 31:15
  Speaker 9: a home valued at one point seven million dollars. The
• 31:18
  Speaker 9: children attend private school, and they take luxurious family vacations.
• 31:23
  Speaker 9: The IRS finds the Powers failed to report nearly nine
• 31:26
  Speaker 9: million dollars in income received from Howard Ruben, Jennifer Power's
• 31:29
  Speaker 9: former boss. The couple is charged with tax fraud, for
• 31:33
  Speaker 9: which neither have made a first appearance.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Right row, what happened, Megan Palin? I mean if the
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: local authorities LA law enforcement won't lift a finger, the
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: tax men will.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Right, Okay, what is this all about?
• 31:48
  Speaker 7: Look, they've been leaving a life of luxury by all
• 31:51
  Speaker 7: accounts for many years. Social media posts have emerged from
• 31:55
  Speaker 7: Jennifer Powers that show them on all of these luxury
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: holidays all around the world, and they had I think
• 32:04
  Speaker 7: it was nearly nine million dollars in total given to
• 32:06
  Speaker 7: them by Ruben, so for her, she's obviously benefited greatly
• 32:12
  Speaker 7: from this partnership.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Guys, this would not be the first time the tax
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: man did the dirty work for law enforcement. I'm sorry
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: to say that right to your face. Dan Murphy, former
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: NYPD detect a sergeant, Joint Terrorism Task Force. It goes
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: on and on and on. I mean, you've heard of
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: al Capone, right Murphy, al Capone, the head of the
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: mob him. And you've probably heard of Wesley Snipes, the
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: famous actor MC hammer, remember the Hammer.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: It goes on, Willie.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Nelson, Pete Rose, Martha Stewart, all of them, all of
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: them got into a tangle with the tax man, Danny Rubin.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: When Ellie won't lift a finger and won't go forward,
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: the irs will and you better run like you see
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: the grim Reaper outside.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Your living room window, just staring at you.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and I'm not talking about hey, hey, you
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: have to.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Pay us back. They will put you in jail and
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: you will rot in there.
• 33:25
  Speaker 8: That is one hundred percent right. And let me tell
• 33:27
  Speaker 8: you it is very clear that I am that anyone
• 33:31
  Speaker 8: should respect and fear the irs. Everyone should should report
• 33:35
  Speaker 8: their taxes as they should in fact make sure you
• 33:39
  Speaker 8: do it right, Make sure you do it often. They
• 33:43
  Speaker 8: are merciless. And many times, as you said before, they
• 33:46
  Speaker 8: brought down al Capone. When elliot ness couldn't bring down
• 33:49
  Speaker 8: al Capone and they couldn't find anything on them, the
• 33:51
  Speaker 8: irs did and they got a taxivasion and put them
• 33:54
  Speaker 8: in Algatratz. So it is a very stupid person who
• 33:57
  Speaker 8: does not respect the irs.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Man, I'm telling you, like I said, that grim reaper
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: looking in your kitchen window, you try to make some
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: coffee there they are staring at you.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Don't do it, you know. I want to get to
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: the phenomena.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: And I've seen it before Danny Ruben, and I'm sure
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: you have two where you have a thug in this
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: case Ruben Howard Ruben aka Horrible Howie. But then why
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: would someone go along with his crimes?
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about powers.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Why would she go along with it? I mean she
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: has everything, She's got, this husband, this home, these children,
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: for Pete's sake, We risk all of that just for money?
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Hell no? Why?
• 34:45
  Speaker 8: I mean it's probably a number of things. Again, assuming
• 34:49
  Speaker 8: everything that complained is true, we're talking about it access
• 34:52
  Speaker 8: to not just money, but a lot of money. Nine
• 34:54
  Speaker 8: million dollars is a lot of money, and you're hobnoming
• 34:57
  Speaker 8: with people who are very high social status and very
• 35:02
  Speaker 8: high wealth individuals. I mean, you don't just get that
• 35:05
  Speaker 8: access from anyone, and being part of that world can
• 35:10
  Speaker 8: change you. Being part of that world gets you access
• 35:13
  Speaker 8: to things you wouldn't normally get and sometimes if you're
• 35:16
  Speaker 8: asked to do something distasteful, maybe it's one of the
• 35:19
  Speaker 8: it's that access which keeps you coming back, and eventually
• 35:23
  Speaker 8: you become dependent on it. You start going on let's
• 35:26
  Speaker 8: say vacations or private school or whatever, and you start
• 35:29
  Speaker 8: to get those golden handcuffs where now you're roped in
• 35:31
  Speaker 8: sometimes and as you do things over time, potentially it
• 35:34
  Speaker 8: doesn't seem as bad as it was yesterday or the
• 35:36
  Speaker 8: day before, and tomorrow is going to be a little better.
• 35:39
  Speaker 8: And as you get more and more accustomed to it,
• 35:43
  Speaker 8: it can be warping to your personality.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Now to Bethety Marshall is living high on the hog,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: having all the luxury trips, the beautiful home, they vantage
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: convertible car, the private schools.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: All that is it like an addiction.
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: I think the money is only a small part of it.
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: I think in every organization.
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: Usually these kinds of criminal enterprises, there is a woman
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: somewhere who is willing to abuse other women. Look, we
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: saw it with Gilan Maxwell, with the Jeffrey Epstein case.
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: What about the FLDS cult where there were women within
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: that organization suppressing other women. So I would believe that,
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: I would guess that Jennifer Powers has in her very
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: personality or her character the capacity for great cruelty towards
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: other people. Otherwise she wouldn't do this.
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: She seems very bright and like she could have made
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: money otherways, get a job, you know, for God's sake.
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: But she must feel and take some secret satisfaction in
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: women being punished, tortured, electrocuted, and then texting this guy
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: Ruben back and forth about it. So when women men
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: act in concert with a man to abuse other people,
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: it is always Nancy because they are taking some pleasure
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: and satisfaction from it, beyond the monetary gain. That's just
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: icing on the cake. But they are sayists themselves.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Guys, it's not just doing his bidding.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: When you see their text messages back and forth between
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: each other.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: It's sick.
• 37:27
  Speaker 9: Listen in text messages Ruben shares horrifying details of his
• 37:31
  Speaker 9: exploits with Powers and casual conversation. Powers asks for details
• 37:36
  Speaker 9: when Ruben says he used the cross in his last session,
• 37:39
  Speaker 9: I can only imagine what you did to her on
• 37:41
  Speaker 9: that cross? Did you shock her? Ruben responds with a
• 37:44
  Speaker 9: complaint that his cattle prod isn't as strong as it
• 37:47
  Speaker 9: used to be.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Glynn Shaw, this is the type of conversation that I
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: would expect from a pimp talking to another pimp about
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: how some of the Johns torture the women or the girls.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: This is a.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Guy in your neighborhood that attends all of these glitzy
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: galas raising money. Yeah him for the Naedy, a multi
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: millionaire Harvard grad and his hints person the wields abub
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: to his satan. They're laughing about shocking ladies genitals with
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: a shocking device after forcing her binding her to across.
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: Listen to what we're talking about, Jennifer Powers. Do you
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: know how disappointing and horrific she is a woman doing
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: this to other women? All of the cases I can
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: think of. I'm sitting here trying to think in my mind,
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: there's now a woman involved. They're doing all the dirty work,
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: and this woman is laughing about all of this and
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: taking joy. And I agree a thousand percent with doctor Bethany.
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: She really nailed it. There's something wrong with this woman,
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: and my goodness, cann't she even think of her children
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: and clean it up and get out of this or
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: not do it at all. But here's the thing. This
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: is why we have women who don't want to come forward,
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: girls who don't want to come forward. They see another
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: woman does this and they're seeing again that dynamic of power, wealth,
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: and they're seeing it wasted on this. And this is
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: why we can't get them to come into court to testify.
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: It's falling apart. This is another case, another example, and
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  Speaker 4: again a woman doing this to another woman. I can't imagine.
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  Speaker 4: This is just not exploitation. This is morally corrupt. This
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: is evil, evil happening. And you know what, I'm just
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: going to throw this in. A friend of mine in
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: real estate say, there's a big demand lately. She told
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: me this about three months ago for these sex dungeons
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: and people's apartments here in New York. How horrific is
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: this that people are normalizing and becoming habituated to these
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: terrorist acts horrific on women.
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  Speaker 2: The majority of the victims are women. To say they
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: sell are joining me crime stories investigative reporter. In other
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: text messages, Sidney Sumner, isn't it true that this hinch
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: person Powers? Jennifer Powers speaks freely even in writing, in
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: text messages and recorded conversations.
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  Speaker 1: For instance, I.
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  Speaker 2: Don't care if she screams next to a laughing face emoji,
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  Speaker 2: words like this will be fun, exclamation, exclamation another she
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  Speaker 2: hates submits, she's so desperate. We've got to make her cry,
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: stating that they will give the victim quote plenty of
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  Speaker 2: valume so she can endure more pain.
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  Speaker 1: Repeat, We've got to make her cry.
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  Speaker 2: That's part of the state's evidence, is it not, Sidney Sumner.
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  Speaker 11: Absolutely, And not only were these conversations over text message,
• 40:57
  Speaker 11: but on Ruben's work email discussing what was happening in
• 41:02
  Speaker 11: that sex dungeon. So these text messages evidence that Ruben
• 41:08
  Speaker 11: was just so brutal he enjoyed the women's pain. It
• 41:12
  Speaker 11: was a horrible situation, and Ruben and Powers are just
• 41:18
  Speaker 11: talking about it casually over text, laughing about the victim's pain.
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  Speaker 2: Danny Rubin, the defense has a big problem when these
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: text messages come out with the laughing face emoji beside
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: their plans.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Have you read this indictment?
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: According to the state, the defendant, Howard Ruben, would conduct
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: sex sessions like say felonies multiple times a week, sometimes
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: on consecutive days, one after the next, after the next.
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  Speaker 1: Where was the wife?
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Did she not notice anything weird was happening? It goes
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: on and on and on. But when you have your
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: client dan me using work email to plan a crime,
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: they're basically, uh, let me just say creak without a paddle.
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  Speaker 1: They wrote it down nanny on the work email.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, that's uh, that's not a great fact. I think
• 42:19
  Speaker 8: what they're going to want to focus on is whether
• 42:21
  Speaker 8: or not the acts were consented to. And I know,
• 42:24
  Speaker 8: I know how the complaint reads. I know that there's
• 42:26
  Speaker 8: a civil case. But just because some and part of
• 42:30
  Speaker 8: it is, they're going to want to introduce the NBA's
• 42:32
  Speaker 8: they're going to want introduce the fact that there's a
• 42:34
  Speaker 8: presumption of consent. Of course, you can revoke consent at
• 42:39
  Speaker 8: any time. Many of the women and the complaints that
• 42:41
  Speaker 8: they did, but they're going to want to show that
• 42:43
  Speaker 8: there was consented, that it was not revoked, the consent
• 42:46
  Speaker 8: was properly obtained, and that this this after discussion about
• 42:52
  Speaker 8: what it occurred, is going to be tangential.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Consent consman crime stories with Nancy Grace Dan Murphy. These women,
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: many of them, consented to a date. They did not
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: know that they were going to be handcuffed to across
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: in a dungeon and be shocked with a cattle prod
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: all over their body to where they were screaming if
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: they could, because many of them were gagged. According to
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: court documents, they couldn't even scream.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: They would be passed out, they would be drugged. It's
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: just how can you consent to that? How can you
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: consent to a crime? You can't?
• 43:45
  Speaker 10: And in case like this, these people were absolutely sold
• 43:48
  Speaker 10: a bill of goods that turned out to be completely
• 43:50
  Speaker 10: and sadly incorrect. He's a manipulator, he's a liar. He
• 43:54
  Speaker 10: knows how to get people to do what he wants
• 43:56
  Speaker 10: them to do. He knows how to keep it secret,
• 43:58
  Speaker 10: he knows how to pay people off, he knows how
• 44:00
  Speaker 10: to do all the things we've seen now in the
• 44:02
  Speaker 10: Ditty case, the Epstein case, and who knows how many
• 44:05
  Speaker 10: more cases like this out there money talks as well
• 44:09
  Speaker 10: as persuasion. Manipulating people is something these people do very
• 44:13
  Speaker 10: very well, and in this case they did that, but
• 44:15
  Speaker 10: it fell apart, as they all do at some point,
• 44:18
  Speaker 10: it falls apart. Now in this case, these poor women,
• 44:22
  Speaker 10: they went up there thinking it was going to be
• 44:23
  Speaker 10: a date, maybe they were going to make a few
• 44:25
  Speaker 10: bucks whatever. They had no idea what they were going
• 44:29
  Speaker 10: getting themselves into. And that is a very, very scary thing.
• 44:33
  Speaker 10: And I can imagine that the wealth and power of
• 44:35
  Speaker 10: this individual and his world scared them into silence for
• 44:39
  Speaker 10: a long time.
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: If you're nervous in.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: This hotel, embarrassing, it's just that I don't feel comfortable.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, you don't have a favor with me.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Greeze.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to do any device where my children
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: please come in on everything.
• 44:52
  Speaker 8: I'm a famous guy.
• 44:54
  Speaker 11: Very comfortable is coming now and one minute and if
• 44:58
  Speaker 11: you want to leave when the guy comes in.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: My jack, Yes, today you touched my priest.
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: Thanks, I'm sorry.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: That was another all time a hole. That was Harvey Weinstein,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: and he was threatening and coercing Ambra Mattaliana into sex acts,
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: unwanted sex acts, and the same techniques were used to
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Megan Palin joining us from the incredible New York Post. Meghan,
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: the defense there and the defense here is that these
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: women agreed to what was happening and then had.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: Second thoughts when it was over or it went too far.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Bottom line, that they essentially consented to the acts. Apparently,
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: finally LA law enforcement we got came out of their
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: trance started investigating this case, and it's style changeous. They
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: apparently disagree with that theory of consent.
• 46:10
  Speaker 7: Well, I mean, it's it's pretty obvious that things change
• 46:14
  Speaker 7: once they got there, because even after the case, once
• 46:16
  Speaker 7: they left this sex dungeon, there's text messages that have
• 46:20
  Speaker 7: come out that showed that these women were texting Jennifer
• 46:23
  Speaker 7: Powers explaining that their injuries were so severe to various degrees,
• 46:28
  Speaker 7: and she was responding telling them to ice them to
• 46:32
  Speaker 7: deal with them in other such ways. These were all
• 46:35
  Speaker 7: sort of like it appears to be part of the
• 46:37
  Speaker 7: management of the aftermath of things that they certainly weren't
• 46:41
  Speaker 7: expecting to get out of it. When they entered this apartment, which,
• 46:44
  Speaker 7: by the way, I know you mentioned earlier that you'd
• 46:47
  Speaker 7: wondered where his wife had been. This penthouse was not
• 46:51
  Speaker 7: his residential property. It was least eighteen thousand dollars a month,
• 46:56
  Speaker 7: specifically for these sexual paigs that he was having there.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Megan, I'm curious you're describing how powers the hitch person,
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: the secretary, as you said, managed the victims. What were
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: there injuries that we know of?
• 47:16
  Speaker 7: Well, I mean, the most severe one that we've heard
• 47:18
  Speaker 7: of so far was the breast implant that was flipped
• 47:21
  Speaker 7: upside down because she'd been beaten so hard by Reuben
• 47:25
  Speaker 7: with a closed fist that it had physically switched sides
• 47:30
  Speaker 7: within her body and then later required surgery. Others were
• 47:34
  Speaker 7: talking about bruising and pain to their bodies and whatnot.
• 47:39
  Speaker 7: The full extent of the injuries we haven't heard yet.
• 47:41
  Speaker 7: I guess that's all going to come out at some stage,
• 47:44
  Speaker 7: but they were severed from the details that we have
• 47:47
  Speaker 7: heard so far, particularly the breast implant two.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Doctor Anthony Marshall, I know you just heard our friend
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: Meghan Palin from the New York Post to beat a
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: lady in her breast so violently it flips the implant.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: Just how does anyone derive pleasure.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Out of that?
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: Nancy? This is what we call a perversion and specifically,
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: this is sexual sadism, where watching the humiliation, the suffering,
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: and the fear of the victim causes the perpetrator to
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: become sexually aroused. Now, what's interesting is that men with
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: sexual sadism they have a very hard time becoming aroused
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: in normal ways with normal women out in the world.
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: So if they were having lunch date or in a
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: business meeting or something where there where it's an equal
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: playing field with other women, this guy would have lost
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: interest in those women. He can't deal with real people
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: with thoughts, feelings, and emotions.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Of their own.
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: But there is some theory that when that aggression and sexuality.
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: Is processed through the same heart of the brain, and
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: in brain scans with these kinds of perpetrators, the amygdala
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: lights up. The aggression center of the brain, the part
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: of the brain that's responsible for sexual pleasure, also lights up.
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: So these two things are kind of fused and confused.
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: Aggression arousal, those two things go together in this disorder.
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: And also it's a compulsion.
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: People with compulsions, as I said earlier, they organize their
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: entire life around the compulsion.
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: So everything you look at that he did, even getting
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: married and having children.
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: That might have just been a way to cover up
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: his sexual deviancy so he could pass as normal in society.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: Danny Rubin, veterans trial law, you're out of LA. I
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: got a question for you. It's a personal question.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: When you're representing people such as Howard Rubin and you're
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: sitting there beside them, do you ever get totally disgusted,
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: totally schethed out and just want to, like, right now,
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: even talking about this, I just want to get it,
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: run out of the studio, screaming as if I'd seen
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: a monster.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: It's just how do you do it? How do you quell.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: Those thoughts that aversion and keep a straight face and
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: keep doing it, because that's your duty as a defense
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: lawyer to the utmost of your ability to save your client.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: How do you deal with that?
• 50:31
  Speaker 8: I look at all the facts, the first and foremost.
• 50:34
  Speaker 8: I don't judge clients as to what happened. That's that's
• 50:38
  Speaker 8: obviously if you If you have to do that, and
• 50:40
  Speaker 8: you do that, you have no business being a defense attorney.
• 50:43
  Speaker 8: The fact is, I look at the facts, the documents,
• 50:46
  Speaker 8: look what they say, and I look at what the
• 50:48
  Speaker 8: testimony shows, and I want to determine what, if anything,
• 50:52
  Speaker 8: our defenses are, and then what the prosecution has to prove.
• 50:57
  Speaker 8: It's the prosecution's job to get in there and make
• 51:01
  Speaker 8: their case. And if they can make their case, my
• 51:03
  Speaker 8: job is exceedingly difficult, That's true, and again it's up
• 51:07
  Speaker 8: to them. When I sit next to a client and
• 51:10
  Speaker 8: a client is accused of this, I look at it
• 51:12
  Speaker 8: just like that. He is accused. He is not guilty.
• 51:16
  Speaker 8: He has not done these things until a jury of
• 51:18
  Speaker 8: our peers says that he has. And it is my
• 51:22
  Speaker 8: job to take a look at that evidence, to present
• 51:24
  Speaker 8: the evidence to the jury, and the jury can make
• 51:26
  Speaker 8: the decision based on the evidence that they have.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: Okay, Rubin, I'm convinced whenever I'm accused of torturing people
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: in my sex dungeon, I will definitely hire you, all right.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know what that says about you, but okay,
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: I'm sold. Guys, if you know or think you know
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: anything regarding this case, the la attached to this case.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: Are asking for victims to come forward.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: Now how they can do that after the ditty debacle
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: in court, I don't know, but I do know that
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: Reuben will never be put away. He will never be
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: convicted if victims do not come forward. That is Lynn
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: Shaw's problem right now with Lynn's warriors after the Shawn
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: Combs verdict, women.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: Are afraid to speak out, and do you blame them
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: for those brave enough?
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: The tip line is two one two three eight four
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: thirty eight hundred repeat two one, two three eight four.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: Thirty eight hundred.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: If he has not stopped, according to police, it will
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: happen again. We stop to remember an American hero, Senior
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: Trooper Craig Ganines, Florida Highway Patrol, killed in the line
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: of duty after twenty seven years in l e, leaving
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: behind his grieving wife, Rebecca, and three children. American hero
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: Senior Trooper Craig Ganges Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend.