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Personal Defense - When Things Could, And Do, Go Wrong · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

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Five past the hour. It is the third Hour, Ruminators, ladies and
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gentlemen, boys and girls and yes, just boys and girls. It's The
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Morning Show with Preston Scott. Wednesday, May fifteenth. For some of you,
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it's payday. He hawt of that. He's Grant Allen. I'm Preston
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and this is Charlie Strickland. He is the co founder of the Talent Training
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Group, co host Talent Outdoors and All Things Talent. Hello, good morning,
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how you is? I am I'd be great, I am fantastic.
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Did you love Senator Scott's intro to his segment. It's raining up here and
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I don't know how people live. It's not going to be a good day
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for you with what we do in Washington, DC to ruin your life.
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It was a great interest. Yeah. Well, he's in. He sees
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the inside of it. It's been very long enough to know how terrible it
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really is. Yea, So maybe maybe we can pull out, you know,
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control of the Senate that's go around, and maybe they can actually start
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to do something. Although I never expect anything actually come out of Washington.
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That's in our favor. I just which they would quit weaponizing all of the
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alphabet agencies and going after everybody that doesn't need to be targeted. The beauty
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of Florida is not just the the amendment that says we've got to have a
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balanced budget. It's not just no income tax. The beauty of Florida is
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a part time of legislature. They can they can only do things for two
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months of the year. That's the beauty. Yeah, that's and it's amazing
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watching Tyler hassees when there's sessions in sessions out. I mean it's different.
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I was doing an active shooter training course the other day for an association,
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which basically includes some lobbying and stuff, and I was talking about, well,
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how does a business flow, and as well, when sessions in,
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we do it this way and then the rest of the time we do it
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that way. Yeah, a lot of that goes on in this town.
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And it was encouraging to hear that, you know, senator' Scott had actually
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was paying attention to what was going on in this town. And I'm gonna
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say this, and this might not be popular to the people who are here
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in the Tyler hassee right now that are suffering. And I am not by
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any means minimizing the suffering that they have. My daughter has been without power,
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with kids, brand new kid. It's it's been a bad time.
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It is. It's terrible. However, go ahead. The winds that were
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here the tornado, the winds were how fast one hundred and twenty something like
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that. One hundred and thirty maybe fast, Okay, it was one hundred
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and fifty in Jackson County and it was thirty five miles wide. So when
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Mike hit, when hurricanes hit, it's regional, it's not. It's not
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one thousand yards wide times a mile or two. Now. Hitting the capital
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city is terrible. But I think it said, if you see how bad
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it is in Tallahassee, then go back a few years and you'll know how
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it was through a whole region. Think about all the places in the state
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of Florida that are just absolutely destroyed. We're just like downtown Tallahassee. I
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think the way to look at it is Tallahassee got a taste of what it's
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like when you're near the coast when a hurricane comes in. Because more power
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poles were snapped in half during this tornado things than three hurricanes combined. And
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I've been out on the streets of Tallahassee. When I was with a sheriff's
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office, I was on the severe weather of salting. They took the swat
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team and they gave us change. So you guys assaulted hurricanes, Well,
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we called it that because they would bring us in and make sure we could
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still crank up a chainsaw and put us on the streets during the highest of
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the wind when you know everybody else is going in you know there and you
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see the debris removal teams until has the police department. Sheriff's office had those
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same teams out during this working I saw them. Kudos to them for doing
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that. I mean, there's a tradition of that. I remember Larry Campbell
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going out with a chainsaw and clearing trees on his way into work, you
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know, after one of those storms, and that's what happens. All of
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the agencies come together, everybody works together to do that. It's uh,
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you know, but it is. It's been bad, but it's not We're
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on what are we six capitural south It is like sixteen miles from the coast.
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In Mariana is like forty five minutes from the coast. And they got
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one hundred fift miin our winds and Jackson County up there. So if we
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ever get a hurricane that truly just plows right up to Saint Mark's River,
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we had a problem. Yeah, no doubt about a tree community. I
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put it this way. We'll see after that. Well, well, it's
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trees and tornado or hurricane force winds don't dance well together. One of these
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days, if that did happen, you'd see a lot of utilities starting to
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go on the ground here. Can't do it now. Back with Charlie Strickland
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of the Talent Training Group before we get to some of our personal defense topics
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here, I just got to ask you. There was a Florida man story,
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I don't know if you caught it on your way in here, of
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an officer charging a guy he was trespassing and he had arrested him because he
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wasn't obeying the order of staying off this property. But he got hit with
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a cheeseburger and went to his leg and he wrote him up for felony assault.
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Have you never done anything like that? A cravated battery on law enforcement
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officer? If you batter a law enforcement officer, it is automatically a felony
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because they are law enforcement officer. Now, I don't think I would charge
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someone with the fel Well, if you charge him with the battery, it's
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going to be the felony. It's never going to make it to court.
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They're going to pull it down immediately, especially in that case, I doubt.
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But what's the closest thing to a write up of somebody throwing a cheeseburger
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and hitting you that you came across? Remember the wide right ear when Miami
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beat us, which time one of the one of the ones here in town
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or in town. I was a two year FSU police officer and number seventy
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nine. Mark Caesar was a defensive end for the Miami Hurricanes. Right before
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the field gold attempt, he was one that disrupted the option when we were
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trying to score a touchdown. FS she was and he was one that interrupted
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that play. Okay, prior to halftime. Uh, there were FSU fans.
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We were down on the sidelines and before when the chain link fence was
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down there it was it wasn't There was nothing between the ball players and the
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and the fans except just a little fence. And uh, one of them
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Mark. Caesar was sitting there with the defensive line, and he took a
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cup of ice and he looked over his shoulder and he threw the cup of
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ice up into the stands and it hit me, and so not like you
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remember it or anything, it hit me, and I went I went over
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and I and I looked and I was trying to figure out which one it
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was, and I was going seventy nine Caesar Caesar, and I went over
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there and I tapped him on the shoulder. That's what I wrote it up.
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I tapped him on the show. I got his attention by touching him
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on the shoulder. It's more of a you know, hey, And he
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spun around and shoved me. It's like, get off me, and so
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I uh. And then the whole defensive line stood up in my face.
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And he was the smallest of them. But I don't know how many he
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was gonna use, but I knew how many he brought to the fight.
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And I know how that goes on the sidelines and laws are sort of suspended
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and athletic events sometimes, but technically it should have been a handcuffed right there
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in the middle of the game. But I actually was not that stupid.
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So I said, all right, I'll be back with you in a minute.
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And so I called up my chain of command all right, said hey,
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this person battered me football player and they're like, ah, yeah,
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whatever, and I said, no, seriously. One thing that came down
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and talked to me and says, yeah, you're not gonna you can't charge
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him. I'm like, what do you mean you you We're not going to
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do that, and I said, So I went back over and standing there
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by the fans, and they're all like, well, what about us?
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We got hit with ice too? I said, oh you did? Really?
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Yes, would you fill out a sworn alf of David saying that you
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were the victim of battery? And they did? And I only had,
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like, I can only find five sworn half of David. There's like forty
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people saying they got hit with six pieces of ice. I don't know how
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that must have glanced around, and so they I got some sworn alf of
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David's and I wanted to go. I said, what do you go do?
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So we're gonna arrest him? And my chaining command was like no,
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now, we we'll we'll we'll we'll go in, We'll go see him talk
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to because they go in, they talk to him that he's gonna come out
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and apologize, and I want I'm not willing to accept that, but you
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can't ask those fans and all we want him charged. He got charged with
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five counts of battery against the fans, but not the felony against me.
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Had they let me do what I wanted to do, which was arrest him
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at halftime, that would have been something he wouldn't have been in the game,
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would not have interrupted that option, and then we may not have had
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to kick that missed field goal. We may have won. That would have
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sent us to a national championship. So if somebody would just listen to me
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every once in a while, we'd have another national title. See I knew,
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I knew what was going to happen, but they didn't want to listen
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to me. Anyway, it made the national news. I've got the articles.
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Is awesome. I still have the letter of apology he had to sent
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me as part of his plea agreement, and apparently English was not his one
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of his courses he passed. I can tell you that you don't say yeah.
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So anyway, FLA at w FLA fam dot com on your phone with
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and Sonos and Iheart's radio station. Almost twenty two minutes past the hour
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Personal Defense segment. Charlie Strickland of the talent training group Talentarrange dot com course
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co host of Telling the Outdoors You can hear it weekends on Saturday at ten
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am Eastern. Charlie, you sent me a story here, and as listeners
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know, I look at stories and I believe that almost any one of these
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things can offer us an opportunity to learn something, and this particular story caught
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your eye. I'm going to leave the name of the loser out of it
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that was in the middle of this, but the headline New Jersey marine arrested
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after allegedly making threats to kill white people, began planning mass shooting. What
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stood out to you about this story, Well, it won it's a military
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guy and he's not old enough to have served in combat, so it's not
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PTSD or anything like that. This is a young marine starting out. He
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made threats, and it wasn't he's a black guy making threats to kill white
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people. Based on the fact that it's a racial issue. He's basically lashing
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out. But that's not what stood out to me. What stood out was
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in the article when I read it, was that. And he had been
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posting on social media saying what he was going to do for almost a year,
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planning this, posting updates on how he's going to do it, how
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to smuggle guns in the New Jersey, how to do this, how to
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do that, And then he was in the military, went to training.
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Nobody vetted this, I mean nobody looked at this. Apparently this seems like
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that would be enough to discipline somebody or not let them in the military,
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or give them the advanced firearms training. And all the military people get military
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training they got so somebody dropped the ball there, So let's train this person
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who's spouting off about how dangerous they can be. And then what really got
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me was when he I'm looking in there, and he had been scouting locations
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and he had picked the location. He never said where it was. He
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said, I've picked a location, I've scouted it, and I'm pretty sure
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nobody has guns there. So he went out, this is his mindset,
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This is the mindset of a predator. He's going out and looking for places
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that he knows is a soft target where no one will fight back, no
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one's going to present any sort of resistance, and that's where he's going to
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go. The fact that there are no guns there and we talk about,
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oh, we don't want guns here and we don't want guns there, well
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us specifically, where that these people are planning to go to is where they
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know they're not going to run into these types of this situations. You notice
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in states where we've armed people in the schools, guardians, law enforcement,
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we've mandated in Florida now we've mandated based on how many people are in the
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school, how many law enforcement or guardian type people, armed people have to
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be there in order for school to go on. Is it a ratio?
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I think there is a base, maybe something to do with the funding.
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I'm not that familiar with it. I know there was a discussion the other
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day about this somewhere. But the fact is is that we've got armed people
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in the schools now and you don't hear as much about school shootings in these
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areas. When we have these people there, it is definitely a deterrent.
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My fear is that we will go a while without any and then they'll say,
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well, we can back off that a little bit, and I don't
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think that's a good idea. But you're always looking for places to cut the
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law enforcements, cutting training, which is the worst place to cut it you've
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got but you know you don't want to start cutting your armed security in these
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places. So and there's no move to do that here locally. But as
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some of the state funding expires in time, people are going to have to
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start looking at their own pockets to fund some of this. I'm afraid down
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the road, and you know it's certainly worth spending the money. So in
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this case, I mean that guy actually went out and figured out where he
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could go. He was late, and somebody was paying attention. But he's
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posting from twenty twenty two to twenty twenty three, and he gets arrested in
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twenty twenty four, making these threats and planning this the whole time. And
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you're telling me that nowhere along the way did anybody to go and look into
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it and do anything. Until it's crazy to think given the reality that today
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most every employer that I know, one of their background checks is social media.
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They go out and they look at someone's social media and see what they're
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all about. Yeah, are we that desperate in our armed services now?
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Where we don't care? I don't know. You know, he could have
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been doing it under an alias on social media and maybe they finally connected the
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dots or something. Maybe that I don't know. I don't know enough about
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that case, but I can tell you that when I'm hiring, and you
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know, I have an armed security company, When I hire somebody, I
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go look at their social media and I watch what they say. You know,
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if they say something that makes the company look bad or indicates some lack
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of balance and they're not working for me, you know, they go,
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then go do that somewhere else. Sure, because you know, you have
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to vet your own people. But what you say matters because social media is
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a place in this day and age. People don't realize it, but they're
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they're showing their soul to the world on social media. The stuff you post
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online, that's who you really are. I mean, you wouldn't do that
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in public. You wouldn't say the things in public that you would say on
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social media. People can say it and they don't feel like there are any
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consequences to that. Now we know that there are We know that what we
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say the world sees and they see right through us to who we really are.
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But that you know, that's he's talking about a year and a half,
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two years he's wanting to go do this stuff, and nobody did anything
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that whole see something, say something deal. Sounds kind of corny, man,
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Somebody, if you see that, you've got to let somebody know.
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I mean, that's yeah, that's what happened. If he had it going
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out, shot up a place and killed a bunch of people and everybody said,
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oh, he's a nice guy, I never would have realized it.
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Oh except for all these social media posts I've been seeing for two years.
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I suppose if you're a private business owner, one of the lessons in all
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of this is they still target gun for his own So if you're one of
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those, don't promote it. That's for sure. Twenty eight past the hour,
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thirty six minutes past it is Wednesday. In the morning show, Charlie
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Strickland of the Talent Training Group with Me Personal Defense talk about some of the
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stories of the news. Another story that you flagg is and it has been
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in the news is the body camera Now is out showing the shooting of a
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airman by a Florida deputy in an apartment doorway Fort Walton Beach. What stood
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out to you, Well, obviously, this is a tragedy for the family
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of the deceased, for the deceased, his girlfriend, and the deputy involved
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in the Sharf's office over there, and the community. I mean, there's
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nothing good about this. There's nothing good about this. There's not a silver
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lining in this at all. So what wrong did anybody? Well? Based
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on which we know, understand, I'm extremely law enforcement friendly, of course,
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law enforce I'm still a cop. I'm a law enforcement trainer, have
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been most all of my career. I think the deputy messed up in a
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big way. I think he was wrong, But I still don't know all
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the details, so I'm withholding some judgment on this, But based on all
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of the scenarios that I've been through and all of the real life experience that
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I have, I think that he he reacted poorly. Because for a lot
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of people don't know this story. Okay, So, the Sheriff's office in
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Oaklus County responds to a complaint of a disturbance of some sort at an address.
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There's some people say the guy went to the wrong address and the sheriff'sf
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The sheriff is maintaining he did not go to the wrong address, but the
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information given to the sheriff's office sometimes they call in the dispatch and that there's
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a disturbance. It's in an apartment, an apartment complex where you've got multiple
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rooms and multiple doors and multiple floors and all this kind of stuff, And
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so you know, a lot of times the information that we get is wrong.
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But the deputy is responding to the location that he was sent to based
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on some sort of a disturbance there, and we don't know what that And
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so without knowing all that information, in the frame of mind he was in,
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but there's a difference between their shots fired an apartment too and a woman
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screaming for help, and whether somebody arguing an apartment too or somewhere on the
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second floor. I mean, there's a lot of different things you could have
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going into that. So until we know what that call was, it's kind
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of hard to judge. But at the same time, no matter how what
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kind of information you have, and the fact that there weren't three or four
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officers there means that it probably wasn't shots fired. It was probably an argument
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and a routine deal. The deputy goes up to an apartment door and this
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is on body camera, and he knocks on the door. Boom boom boom,
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backs up a couple steps, pauses, knocks on the door, Shriff's
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office, open the door, something like that, Shriff's office. He announces,
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and then he switches sides of the door, stays out of the peep
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hole where you can't see who it is, which is a lotlaw enforcements officer
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safety issue. We don't stand in front of the door. Absolutely. He
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knocks on it again. Somebody comes to the door. It's a twenty three
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year old black kid, an airman, military guy, reputable kid. You
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know, he appears to be clean cut. He's a military guy. He
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works at Hurbert Field and the Special Operations Divisions at the Air Force. You
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know there's a lot of military in this area. The kid opens the door
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and we then split seconds to deputy. The deputy says step back, and
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then boom boom, boom, boom boom. Kid gets shot six times.
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Now in the video you see the kid answers the door with a gun in
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his right hand, but it's down by his leg, and the deputy didn't
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see that. Based on my reading of his body language and his voice,
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he didn't see it initially, but when he did see it, the gun
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was never brought up, was never presented to the deputy, never pointed at
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him. I didn't see any furtive movements or any threatening behavior on behalf of
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the kid. The deputy saw a gun and shot him. Welcome to m
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a D Radio Network. It's the Morning Show with Preston Scott. Forty one
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minutes past Charlie Strickland with me. We're talking about a shooting of an airman
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in Okalusa County for Fort Walton Beach area, and we're gonna pause right there,
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and I'm gonna ask the question at that moment the interaction between the young
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man and the airman and the sheriff's deputy. The airman legally had every right
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to have a firearm in his hand inside his home, So you got to
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look at it from the airman's perspective. Okay, So he's in there,
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he's on FaceTime with his girlfriend. She saw all of this happen, she
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heard it. She was still on the phone. So there's a witness outside
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of the body camera footage now, so he's in there. We don't know
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if he heard the deputy say Sheriff's office or shriff's that anything. He could
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he could have had it turned up. He could have been in the back
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room and just hurt thump, thump, thump on the top of it in
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front of the room. I don't know that kind of neighborhood they live in.
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But you have every right to answer your door anytime you want to and
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your private residence with a gun in your hand. Don't point it at anybody.
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That's aggravated assault, of course, But to have a gun in your
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hand is perfectly legal, justifiable, and reasonable depending on the circumstances if you
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don't know who's at your door. I mean JD and I were talking about
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this on our show. We answer the door with a gun in our hand.
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If if you knock on my door, I'm either gonna I'm either gonna
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put my gun in my hoster on so I have access to it, or
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it's going to be in my hand. That's normal. That's normal for law
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abiding people to do that. I mean, you know, maybe not normal
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for everybody, but yeah, it happens, and it's lawful and it's and
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it's perfectly legal and reasonable. And so just because I have a gun in
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my hand doesn't mean that you can shoot me. Now if I point the
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gun at you, that's a difference, store Absolutely it is. So from
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the kid's perspective, he's going to the door to an unknown somebody thumping on
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the door pretty assertively, okay, and he wants to know who it is.
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He doesn't show the gun. He just holds it down behind his thigh
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and he's got his body bladed. But when the deputy said stepped back and
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he moved, the gun became exposed, but it was still down in a
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non threatening manner, down by his leg. And the deputy didn't didn't take
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a step to cover, to use the doorjam as cover, point the gun
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at him and go drop the gun, drop the gun or anything like that.
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He just went bam bam, bam, bam bam bam. So the
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deputy did not have his gun drawn from his holster until he saw the fire.
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I saw the gun, drew the pistol, and the kid put his
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left hand up like palm out like wait, you know, he put his
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hand up like hey, and held his hand up and he had the other
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one down by his leg, and there was no time for him to react
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or just up out of the way or drop the gun. I mean,
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it happens so fast. You know, he opened the door and saw a
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uniform. He was surprised, it seems from what I can tell, So
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there is virtually no verbal exchange. Zero. He said step back, you
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know, when he opened the door, he goes step back because the deputy's
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responding. Now from the deputy's perspective, he goes there and say there's a
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disturbance going on. The guy opens the door. After several times him knocking,
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the guy comes to the door, opens the door, and he goes
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step back so he can see what's going on in the apartment, which he
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has no authority to tell the man to step back in his own apartment unless
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there's some life in danger, and he doesn't have I don't know that he
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had that information. So he says step back, and that's when he saw
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the gun and engaged. There was there was zebra. And here's where the
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issue comes into play. Was a deputy justified I don't think so. I
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think he's in a world of trouble. I think the agency's fixing the payout
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as much as they can legally, and then the legislature's going to have to
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fund some you know, approve some some more funding. This is going to
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be Ben Crump involved in it and all this stuff. It's going to be
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a big deal. I think one of the biggest things is going to go
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back to law enforcement training. They're gonna pull his training records and you say,
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how much situational based training, how much reality based training, how much
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forceal enforce training, Because that's the only way to solve this problem is to
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put your people through that type of training, because that's how you can train
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your way out of this. But you can't policy your way out of this.
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You sue your way out of it. And there are so many lessons
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on this one, not just for law enforcement, but lessons for everybody about
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the importance of situational training. Well, and don't think it couldn't happen.
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It's your house or my house tomorrow, somebody law enforcement's going to go to
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the house to knock on the door and ask questions. If there's something going
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on in the neighborhood. They're going to they might go to the wrong house.
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It happens all the time. So and you might answer the door,
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would have gun in your hand, and then that could be you or me,
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And so we all have a vested interested in this. So when training
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is not funded very well, we've got to do something statewide, especially in
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smaller agencies, to start making a difference. Thanks for the time, Charlie
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Strickland with US Talent Training Group. Remember talentrange dot com. Get your training
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there and head out to the range do some training yourself. Forty seven past the hour