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Talks to Jason Thompson about his choice of The Evil of the Daleks (6/7) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Welcome back to a hamster with a blunt penknife the Doctor Who
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  commentary podcast. I'm Jason Thompson again.
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  I mean you know that by now you've been listening to
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  episodes 1-5. You know, it's going to be me
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  doing episode 6. And of course I'm here with Joe
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  Ford without whom this would not be hamster with a blunt
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  penknife, so hello Joe oh yeah you are the people have been
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  listening to us now for nearly two weeks.
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  Well, if they manage to sit through all the master plan,
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  that's fine. You spit that one up over three
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  sessions, didn't he say, I've from now on our brought this up
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  earlier in the story, but I do have a question for you, about
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  robots. In your eyes, go for it.
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  Well, I see that a couple of episodes have come out recently.
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  So what's the latest you've recorded?
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  What's the latest we've recorded while I think?
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  We're about six steps but yeah, we've we've got quite a few in
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  the bank so it's a nice place to be, you know?
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  Yeah, it is. But unlike you Joe, we don't get
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  multiple episodes out of a single recording, One recording
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  one episode. As I said it's a nice genius
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  thing ever. No editing and seven episodes up
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  to recordings. I mean God.
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  It's the Lazy Man's podcasting people seem to like it, but it
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  works. It's very good.
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  Very enjoyable. While I can you please Regale us
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  then with your full score but the Cliffhanger of episode 5 of,
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  even of those we have cell is very, very unusual episode 5 of
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  the evil of the Daleks. I rated 10 out of 10 on my my
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  thread and you don't give those out easily.
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  I do not know but I what did I say I said oh what a cracker.
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  This one is we've heard characters.
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  Supposing that adding the human factor will make the Daleks even
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  more dangerous. But what a Twist to happen being
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  playful and carting the doctor around for a ride.
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  This is also a turning point for the whole story that is this as
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  it is this childlike nature that provides the resolution to it, a
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  key moment and if it only existed sure to be a memorable
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  image and then tell e, snaps to a quite impressive as well with
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  the doctor being surrounded by Daleks and then Being carried on
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  the front of one of them. Although the image of him
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  standing on the fender of that, Dalek being carried around, does
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  make me wonder what damage he did to that particular tartlet
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  Pro because it's not supposed to carry a human on the front of
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  it. Would you reckon everybody with
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  your Twitter handle? Please certainly, it's at Jason
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  underscore. Jtt will you please go and find
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  at Alcott? He's out again at Jason
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  underscore jtt because that's the sort of fabulous insight
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  Going to get into these Cliffhangers when you do.
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  All right. I don't always agree with you
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  and that's only right and good because if we all thought the
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  same, the world would be a very boring Place.
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  Boy, you make me think about things.
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  Well, I'm glad to have be having that effect.
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  I hope that people are enjoying the threads.
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  I'm always amazed by the level of Engagement that you get on on
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  Twitter. Even, I know that even some
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  people, you know, people don't click the likes or they don't
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  reply. But I know that people are
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  reading them because when I put up polls about things, I get
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  more responses than I expected ever.
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  Yeah, it's absolutely terrible. The clicking like things.
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  I'll occasionally, I like throat comments out there and things
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  like that, but thing. I love that yours is you always
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  say you know you you did on this day.
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  You did video covers, you've done the Cliffhangers and you
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  don't act as another thing. So you always like a bit of an
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  original approach to stuff that I consider to be very well warn,
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  you know? Well, thank you.
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  That's very kind of you to say I just basically I just do what I
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  like and what I hope other people will enable us while
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  doing this podcast. You know, I just do what I want
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  to put it out there and hope someone will bloody well press
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  play. Well, depends on you know how
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  much energy I've got as well. Member.
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  I did a couple of years ago. I did a doctor who Advent
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  calendar where I did Christmas moments counting down from 1224
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  up to Christmas. And then last year I was like I
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  am not the energy for that. So 24 pictures of my cats.
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  That's what you're going to get for the head pin.
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  Calendar, amazing, welcome Toby. Hey do you know it was on this
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  thing lamenting the fact that he pours all this effort and energy
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  into happy times and places and too much information, you know,
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  and and put see things out there R and then he puts out a picture
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  of his dog and the dog gets more like.
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  So, yeah, that's a universal thing for any information that
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  you put a pet picture up that will get way more engaging than
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  anything you do. Yeah, yeah.
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  Sorry. Sorry.
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  Really nice. That is universal what?
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  Oh, it's well, oh, let's see your way from Twitter.
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  Let's head into evil of the Daleks.
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  I believe we're heading to skaro this week.
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  We are indeed. I think the skaro this week, so
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  shall I count us in? And let's do it.
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  Okay. In five, four, three, two, one,
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  go, yes. It's playing.
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  Thank God after that, episode, I'm really scared.
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  And I don't think that we would suspect that this story would
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  end on skaro in episodes. Two, three, and four.
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  No, I don't think we would Would it?
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  It's one of the things that sustains its seven episodes is
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  the fact that it keeps moving in location.
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  It's I do think though it is a little I remember I listen to
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  the soundtrack The First Time and the gear shift of.
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  Okay well we're just going to blow up the house and we're
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  going to send off all these extraneous characters.
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  It felt a little clunky. Yeah, I suppose it is a little
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  bit but I rather like it but yeah, I really enjoyed the start
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  of this episode with the Daleks playing games master, if it
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  doesn't seem terribly impressed with it all.
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  I mean, these are, these are not the Daleks that are gonna give
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  him the promised metal into gold secret.
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  No, definitely not. Do you think when obviously
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  Daleks has sort of evil bastards that go around killing people is
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  fun, but you think sort of deviations from that like this
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  it always works. It's hard to say because it
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  hasn't happened that often. Well like paradise was very
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  different as well, wasn't it? I am your servant.
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  Yeah, I think that worked brilliantly.
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  I know I've seen a few people who say they hate that.
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  The Daleks should never be in that position.
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  They should never be doing that, but I love it because they're
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  starting off at a disadvantage. They have to manipulate the
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  people to get what they want. I think it does usually work
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  when they do it. The mystery in Victory of the
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  Daleks as to why the Daleks are being servants.
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  Even though that is lifted straight out, power of the
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  Daleks even to the intonation in it, Briggs uses for.
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  I am your soldier and they don't hide that.
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  Do they at all? No, that's that's that's wearing
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  its influence proudly on its sleeve.
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  Here we are alpha beta and Omega.
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  Three dollars with names. And that they've written on the
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  Daleks just like the how they used to do that on the set in
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  the original. Dalek story just so they could
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  tell them apart. Yes I like number one move to
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  your right I love the movement here on the animation.
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  Yeah they're just having a great deal of fun.
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  I wonder how well that translated on the on the real
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  episode because I know that by this point, the Dalek operators
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  were fairly Adept at what they would doing now is not a good
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  time to try and eat the microphone.
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  Nala, talking about Q animals. Our horror.
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  It's what you are look. No busy.
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  See busy. Oh look.
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  She took one. Look at the Daleks and ran off.
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  What is quite a fee? You know to suggest playful
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  movement with an inanimate shell.
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  It's like Twice. One of the things that the
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  operators, it this time the 60s and in the Pertwee stories as
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  well. We're pretty good at was,
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  keeping them fairly well animated.
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  Yeah. Constantly twitching, I mean
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  infamously of course there's that sequence in death to the
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  Daleks where there are four Daleks.
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  And clearly, only three operators is one of them is one
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  of the mrs. Barwick fell asleep in a
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  meeting. You know, it's if you're either
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  contrary to that one where Psy town is there and he's going
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  well, why don't you just get a stick and poke it or something?
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  It looks ridiculous that he's really taking Michael Bryant the
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  task. Yeah, fair enough because by all
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  accounts be four Daleks You have to be what career did you ever
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  listen to the audio story? Jubilee?
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  Yes. Where they had midgets imported
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  so they can be put into dialects.
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  I want didn't fit so they chopped his arm off.
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  Yep, Spritzee. That was a that was a weird,
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  weird story. Although, for previously went to
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  those legs. No, no, they didn't.
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  Because fats are still bubbling. Yeah, I don't.
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  There's a mysterious box attached to the floor in the
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  laboratory. What could it be?
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  Is that the bomb? That's the bomb.
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  Oh my God. Total Destruction.
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  Yeah, you know this means don't you.
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  He's never going to get the results that I experiment.
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  No, it's going to record that glassware.
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  Yeah, that's fine. Lovely house as well.
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  Yes. Well, not for much longer now.
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  And then he's pissed as if he's pissed about the house being
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  destroyed and then they're like, well, here's the secret it.
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  So he doesn't care anymore. Yeah.
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  Listen, when they were we get to skaro, that's when his character
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  because very strange, isn't it is suddenly starts e.
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  He attacks Victoria one point, doesn't he?
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  He does. Yeah.
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  We supposedly under duress. Yeah, it does.
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  All go a bit weird. He stops pretending to be a
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  Dalek. Who will know?
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  He is a Dalek is me. He's a darling.
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  He's turned into one. Yeah, very weird but not for a
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  while just yet. Now, I know we gotta lose the
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  house first. Yeah.
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  Because yes go and fetch the doctor.
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  So just stands and shouts out the door doctor.
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  This is the moment where water-filled is realized, what
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  Max table is done. So is this their big
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  confrontation? Now this is their big
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  confrontation. Yes, it's about homie.
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  Grow a spine though. You could say that?
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  But I think I think I was a John Bailey playing here.
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  Really good. So watching the dialogue now I'm
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  seeing this heated extra, you sold yourself out to them.
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  Haven't you the maximal just goes, you fool.
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  Yes. You've brought this misery down
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  upon us? Yeah, and I don't match the ball
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  trying is like you know when they could be metal into gold as
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  if that's what was going to go. Oh right then well don't worry
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  danger I don't worry about it. Okay?
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  As long as you're doing it all for a good reason, we'll be
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  rich. Do we know what this field as he
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  did for a living, you know, in the past?
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  No, not at all. The only thing we know about him
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  is in episode 2. When Max double says Waterfield
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  is an expert in certain technical matters.
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  Okay, well presumably he and Max table.
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  Both scientists have some description.
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  He's an expert in arranging. A series of mirrors, to create a
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  time machine apparently. So yes, he makes the greatest
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  breakthrough in the history of Science and no one will ever
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  know because it got blown up unbelievably you know, the big
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  finish audio. Time of the Daleks featuring the
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  eighth doctor and Charlie Pollard stole that idea,
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  straight out of this and it just enriches.
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  Even says he you know, even though the diet's was my biggest
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  because they've got a time machine made out of mirrors and
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  clocks. Yeah, I remember that.
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  That was a mother. I was subscribed to Big finish
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  at that point with the eighth Doctor Who video where you can't
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  know in a second mortgage. Well, exactly.
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  You need a second mortgage and you need a second house to store
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  them all in. Yeah, I can attest to that.
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  Okay. You see that it?
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  A clock said, rails. Yes, they pinch the Rel counter
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  for this one. I don't think that was in the
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  original movies. I think that originally, yeah,
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  well counter from Dalek invasion.
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  Earth 2150, ad. Can I love it the way those
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  pictures? She movies with the, the Tardis
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  doors on the interior found their way into the new series?
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  Yes, definitely. Definitely an influence.
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  That was a great move. Most artists back out there,
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  pretty fast the going as fast as they can.
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  I'm assuming on the original, we never saw the house go up.
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  No, I imagine. It was just a Fade to White kind
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  of thing possibly with a little bit of Of a damp squib,
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  explosion in the dry ice pumped in.
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  Yeah, probably something like that.
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  I love this. Everyone saw coming in the room,
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  one after another laughing. Okay, this part of the story
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  now. It's Yeah, there's the real
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  counter again. But yeah, and this is the bit
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  where we dig out that time machine from episode 2 that we
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  haven't seen. You know, when episode 6 just
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  for, you know, context about a month has gone by it this point.
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  Since we last saw that machine, it's check-offs garlic time
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  machine. Yes, you know, if you're going
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  to use it in episode one, you better damn well.
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  Make sure it's important to the plot later on.
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  Absolutely. We won't ask how the doctor
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  knows? What.
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  Time period to set it to or Y. If there's this time machine,
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  what the hell they're still using the cabinet for?
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  Again, that's going on so they use the time machine to escape.
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  Yeah. Yes.
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  How do you make a time machine transport you through space?
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  Well, I don't know, my watch, I was technically speaking a moron
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  thinking, none of this is making sense.
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  Well, technically speaking, a time machine would have to
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  transmit you through space anyway, because if I sat in my
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  living room and attempted to time travel, One hour into the
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  future. In my living room.
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  I have to work. Count for the fact that mousse,
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  otherwise, I'd end up somewhere else in Space by in the same
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  place in space for different part of time.
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  It's yeah. You have to fix your coordinates
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  around something and figure out what your, what Your relative
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  coordinates are. So yeah, yeah.
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  And it isn't a very it in about 30 seconds as well.
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  I mean, I know he's a clever man.
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  Yes, but there we go. And here we are.
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  The Dalek control of the Dalek Corridor and cells.
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  Suddenly everything saw graded blue, I'll take your word for
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  that. I can't remember because I'm
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  watching the Black and White Version.
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  Yeah. Is it actually looks very
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  effective to I love every time we see Victoria.
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  We get that sort of romantic music, don't we?
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  Yes, yeah, definitely. I mean Jason look at her.
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  She's got camel there now. Indeed, I'm not sure.
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  You know that relationship would be approved of almost certainly
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  not but maximal doesn't care. So Yeah, what does she say you
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  does to work she suddenly screams like a piercing scream,
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  you came up behind me in the dark and twisted my arm.
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  Okay, As long as bad as I was fearing.
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  But what do you think of the, the sets on skaro, the Dalek
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  Corridor and self sets? Yeah, well I think, you know,
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  we've got enough of the Telly snaps and we've got enough.
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  I think this is a fairly sort of accurate representation of how
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  they looked. This is all wrong but I think
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  they're quite effective. They feel big.
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  They do, they do feel big. What I also enjoy about them is,
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  obviously, they're nothing like the last time we saw the Dalek
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  City, but I think actually the making of a bit bigger like that
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  is is an improvement. But I also like the fact that we
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  get those Dalek Corridor sound effects again later, I know what
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  it's all about that weird know, it's sort of like, going off
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  into the distance, isn't it? And then coming back at you.
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  Yeah, I believe it was supposed to be kind of the wind whistling
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  through the corridors in the weird, Acoustics of the, the
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  methyl of the shapes and the metal walls and doors phone.
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  I wonder because you know, they're so big.
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  They run on static. Electricity, saw like the
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  current running about was no current in static actress.
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  See. That's why it's called Static
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  Jay. Alright, that should bring your
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  science. I'm a okay.
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  I'm glad. I really like those establishing
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  shots of the city from the distance.
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  Yes, and they did, they did have this.
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  All Rocky said, didn't they? When they're on the outside,
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  they dids. Although, there was some
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  pictures on Twitter, not that long ago, that showed it.
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  And it's one of those kind of, don't don't show us the studio
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  angles because basically, it's like one side of the studio with
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  a little bit of my okay, a raised platform with some fabric
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  thrown over it to suggest rocks and things and it's still very
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  effective and it's done very nicely.
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  One thing I did think was excellent about All well,
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  particularly in the 60s is when you realize just how little
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  space they had. And I remember watching, I
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  remember. Getting a strange look.
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  Strange look from Zoey one evening.
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  There's always looking at the bed and then I realized that
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  I've been listening to Toby headaches too much information
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  about one of the episodes and Marco Polo.
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  And he'd said that The the jungle or the forest set where
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  tigana and Accomack inspired was a 6 foot by 4 foot corner of the
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  studio with some foliage in it. And it's like, wow, they acted
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  that entire scene on a sequence, the size of basically, a double
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  bed. Yeah, you know that's it's
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  incredible, isn't it fantastic? But I've always said that about
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  those early days is they can just take you around the
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  universe in the corner of lime Grove and and you just go with
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  it, you know? Oh yeah.
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  Power of the Axiom, the terrific direction, and you like those
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  those back cloths that they did. I just admire so much.
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  Oh, they were fabulous, the paintings, and the backdrops
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  were absolutely superb. I mean, generally speaking, it's
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  somewhat sad, really that most of the time when you hear those
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  being discussed, it's when the lighting has gone wrong and
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  people are casting Shadows on the backdrop or the, the back
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  cloth has got creases in it and things like that.
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  But all Richard Martin shot it from the wrong angle.
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  Well, that's very frequent but that's all The scale we gifts,
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  but it does work, that's typically well, and she's
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  crossed. We know his fucking artifice go
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  with it. Well, that's the television and
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  I've said before you go to the theater, everyone's willing to
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  forgive. Yeah.
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  Yeah. We know it's a backdrop and we
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  know that that That wall is actually just a piece of the
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  tail Gunner on a strut and everything.
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  And we know it's all fake because it's a stage and we
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  watching it, but for some reason, we watch things on
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  television, we expect them to be ultra realistic.
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  And if they're not, we pick holes in it.
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  And I find that this is badly. We're obviously not on an alien
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  planet here, we're obviously in a studio but what was
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  astonishing here is I think I think is they get the scale
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  right? Because in a minute we duck into
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  that set with the emperor in it. Hmm it feels big, it feels like
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  Doctor Who you know the biggest it's ever been.
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  It does mean. This is almost I think I may
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  have set on earlier, so this is almost a season finale before
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  season finales were a thing. Yeah, I'll for sure.
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  Yes, you know, this feels big and epic and lime backtick.
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  Yeah, definitely very climactic. And with a definitive ending but
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  thanks. Wait for laser suddenly feels
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  that way. Yeah I do like the Daleks with
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  black domes in this one I like the little just that little bit
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  of difference to show which ones are the leaders.
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  Which are we actually seeing any of the I'm looking for writing.
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  Oh, yeah. There it is.
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  There it is. I'm not sure if it's Alpha Beta.
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  R, Omega it's Omega. Oh yeah, it's my name.
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  The doctor gave it to me. He's my friend.
• 22:46
  You know what? Like I don't think we've had any
• 22:49
  psychology anywhere near as interesting as pair of the
• 22:52
  Daleks and this and they've tried.
• 22:54
  They tried Ride with us, all human factor, Dalek Factor
• 22:56
  thing, but the scene where the Dalek goes in and says why why
• 23:03
  should I obey you? And I that it's that, that up
• 23:06
  there were some of the stuff in power.
• 23:07
  The Daleks is I love that scene. 80 is.
• 23:11
  Yeah, is it is good? I like the Dalek voices in this
• 23:20
  story as well. I think so.
• 23:23
  Here's what the Hawking's and skeleton.
• 23:26
  Yes. Hawkins does dialect voices
• 23:31
  brilliantly. Well I still in our people say
• 23:34
  breaks it, Nick Briggs is the voice of the Daleks are still
• 23:36
  soapy Hawkins, you know. Nick Briggs is great, is good,
• 23:42
  can't knock him. But unfortunately I've now heard
• 23:45
  my, you know 240th, Dalek big finish story but Nick brings
• 23:49
  doing every Dalek so I'm just a bit bored of it now.
• 23:53
  Yeah. Nothing.
• 23:55
  But I think Peter Hawkins was why he was the first wasn't me.
• 23:58
  So yeah. And I think absolutely
• 24:01
  synonymous with their success, those voices.
• 24:05
  Definitely, so, one of those, one of those guys that you hear
• 24:09
  in a lot of things, but don't see him very much, don't see him
• 24:13
  at all in Doctor, Who the only thing I've actually seen Peter
• 24:16
  Hawkins, in thinking about it is Dave Allen at large, okay?
• 24:21
  He's a he's one of the regulars on that series.
• 24:27
  Why did my suppose screamed your scent?
• 24:30
  He was ordered to apparently because they want as Victoria
• 24:35
  realizes, they want to draw the humans in the city on by making
• 24:38
  noises to draw them in. Check out this, this does have
• 24:44
  similarities to Daleks master plan, doesn't it?
• 24:48
  I feel like we've had a lot of episodes now, not Paddy, but
• 24:52
  sort of a lot of running around and then in the second to last
• 24:57
  episode, we're going to have sort of a very serious.
• 25:00
  Serious tone again, in a science fiction setting with a city and
• 25:05
  then in the last episode is our big sort of climactic final
• 25:09
  episode. Yeah, I mean David Whittaker
• 25:13
  wrote the to Patrick will see. There we go.
• 25:18
  Nothing laughs. Yeah, David Whittaker.
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  Wrote the two trout and garlic stories and he doesn't skimp on
• 25:24
  the climax. Don't you dare throw that at me.
• 25:29
  Behave yourself. Or Joe you said something the
• 25:33
  last episode. Also, I know I'm gonna let it
• 25:35
  slide. Really, what did I say so along
• 25:41
  the lines of those taken the doctor from behind and they've
• 25:44
  taken him for a ride. That's why I was like a must
• 25:48
  know what he's saying. Surely Health.
• 25:53
  Absolute filth mind you Fraser Gregory did asked on Twitter.
• 25:56
  How many times can you get away with the?
• 25:58
  Look at the size of that thing. Joe No gag.
• 26:02
  And that's how much in this. So they look at the size of
• 26:05
  that, I think. Does he say that about the
• 26:06
  emperor? It does.
• 26:07
  Yeah, the end of the second thing.
• 26:10
  Yes, Jamie that is a big one by that is a big one, though.
• 26:14
  You know, I've never seen bigger if I'm honest.
• 26:19
  Anyway but you know when it when I brought in the Dalek Emperor
• 26:23
  in partner the ways. Hmm.
• 26:26
  I gonna rip on part of the ways, I think it's amazing but I don't
• 26:30
  think it's anywhere near as impressive as the Dalek Emperor
• 26:32
  at this. I agree with you entirely and
• 26:38
  indeed somebody on Twitter, said the say yet.
• 26:41
  Jim Allen B says, the design of the Dalek Emperor in this story
• 26:45
  is perfect. It sits there like a spider in a
• 26:48
  web waiting for the doctor to Look into its Lair, the emperor
• 26:50
  design in The Parting of the ways is not as good, which
• 26:53
  version do you prefer and I agree entirely.
• 26:56
  This one is better. Well, what's interesting is in
• 27:00
  bad wolf. You've got the controller which
• 27:03
  is like a spider in a web with all the sort of tubes coming
• 27:07
  off. And I think that's far more
• 27:08
  striking than the Dalek Emperor that we get in, in the next
• 27:11
  episode. Yeah, I agree entirely.
• 27:18
  You know, we can hear the Dalek heartbeat sound and we're about
• 27:22
  to meet the Dalek Emperor. Look at the way they're animated
• 27:26
  creeping about. It's a great.
• 27:31
  But you know what? I'm actually my brain is tricked
• 27:33
  a bit Jason because when I'm watching those Daleks, I'm
• 27:36
  almost tricked into thinking I'm watching live footage.
• 27:41
  The animated Daleks are superb. It's a nice smooth, isn't it?
• 27:45
  It is. And I find I found that with the
• 27:48
  power of the Daleks in particular.
• 27:50
  They were able to animate the Daleks, as 3D things because
• 27:53
  they're properly mapped but not the humans.
• 27:55
  There. Matt animated very much 2D and I
• 27:57
  find that a little bit jarring in places.
• 27:59
  The emperor is superb design and it's superbly animated here as
• 28:04
  well. It's very well animated and it's
• 28:07
  very well shot. And it's interesting those who
• 28:10
  say, you know, you get the Look at the size of that thing doctor
• 28:14
  and from the Telly snaps, you can see that it was shot mostly
• 28:17
  From Below. To make it look like it's
• 28:22
  towering over everybody. But then you get some of the
• 28:24
  production stills of it and you look at it and it's on a raised
• 28:28
  platform, it's not actually that big, it feels massive.
• 28:33
  The way it's shot makes it for you absolutely massive, but it's
• 28:35
  not actually a huge huge. You know, it's like a memory was
• 28:40
  being on the front cover of Doctor Who magazine.
• 28:42
  I just bought that magazine are so that's the best thing I've
• 28:45
  ever seen, you think? And do you think it diminishes
• 28:52
  the Daleks at all to have? Like it, like it like King of
• 28:57
  the Daleks? No, I don't think so.
• 29:02
  Now I think it's I mean they've had the they've had the Dalek
• 29:04
  Emperor in the comic strip for ages.
• 29:06
  David Whittaker has just been aching to get it into the series
• 29:09
  proper as me because we've had the comic strip Emperor with the
• 29:12
  big gold Sphere for ahead with all their lies going around the
• 29:17
  diary. Yeah.
• 29:19
  Or he was a devious bugger you know in those costumes.
• 29:23
  Absolutely. Yeah.
• 29:24
  It's a it's a shame we never saw him in the TV series.
• 29:29
  Yeah it is really how it should be.
• 29:31
  Consume about that role on mum deodorant in remembrance of the
• 29:34
  Daleks are, I don't count. Yeah, we've got this one.
• 29:41
  This super brilliant. Emperor with with his Chumley
• 29:46
  hat. Here's the top of the Dome on
• 29:49
  him is a Chamblee. Basically I love and that's the
• 29:52
  Tardis. My God.
• 29:53
  We haven't even thought about the Tardis since episode one.
• 29:57
  No, but now he will take the garlic factor and spread it
• 30:01
  through the entire history of Earth has like a big moment.
• 30:05
  Tell me you love this. Cliffhanger, come on.
• 30:08
  Let's see what I rated this one. Shall we read it out?
• 30:11
  Come on for everybody. Oh, I rated it 10/10.
• 30:18
  Hey, what did you say? Well, oh, good question.
• 30:22
  I just closed the wrong window. Ugh!
• 30:25
  Well, I'll tell you what, you find that between episodes,
• 30:28
  because I want to hear what you got to say about that, but but
• 30:32
  but yeah, I mean, it's not the biggest threat that we face that
• 30:37
  the doctor is gonna be forced. I got, we know, the doctor will
• 30:40
  capitulate to Darla commands because he's been doing it
• 30:43
  throughout this entire story. If, you know, his friends lives
• 30:47
  are in danger. I'm not sure I quite understand.
• 30:57
  Half of sexy to you do you get the Dalek factor from the human
• 31:04
  factor. Oh it's just the exact opposite,
• 31:08
  I don't know. That's kind of what they're
• 31:11
  saying, isn't it? Yeah.
• 31:15
  But it's, it's rather odd really that they needed this whole
• 31:17
  thing. But yeah, what did I say?
• 31:18
  I said the Daleks real plan is revealed and we meet the giant
• 31:22
  Emperor. Dalek, the cereal is starting to
• 31:24
  take on season finale Vibes, the booming voice of the emperor
• 31:28
  makes the final line, awesome, and memorable.
• 31:30
  Another cracker 10/10 10/10 to 10/10 Xin the same serial.
• 31:36
  That's, that's unusual. It's a rare.
• 31:39
  Did you do that again? I can't remember.
• 31:42
  I know I did it for a couple episodes of Power of the Daleks
• 31:45
  as well. I bet it was I bet it was there.
• 31:50
  The lettuce and looking for the window and the Daleks been
• 31:54
  assembled that must have been a 10 out of 10.
• 31:58
  Well, I'm gonna find out. I don't mean to be facetious but
• 32:02
  you know, I'm gonna be but like what I feel like this is a very
• 32:05
  long-winded way to find the doll effect so they just needed to
• 32:08
  read a couple of psychology books about humans to define the
• 32:12
  character traits of the average human and then go, right?
• 32:16
  So the complete opposite of that is that Like Factor.
• 32:20
  That's what we're going to spread fruit and how do you
• 32:22
  spread it through time? Well, apparently it gets
• 32:26
  converted into a steam, don't ask.
• 32:33
  Okay. So yeah, for power of the Daleks
• 32:36
  I gave 10/10 to episode two. Oh yeah.
• 32:40
  That's a goodie. That's when the Daleks watching
• 32:42
  him, isn't it? Yeah.
• 32:44
  Episode 2 is I am your servant. Oh yes of course episode 4 which
• 32:51
  is the production line. Which I thought was really well
• 32:58
  done in the, in the audio CD with Anika Wills, narrating it
• 33:01
  when she says that blessed us and finally realizes the Daleks
• 33:04
  are not just reproducing. They are mass producing.
• 33:08
  Whoo. And of course, episode 5.
• 33:12
  That's three. Was it three in one story, three
• 33:15
  in one story. How about be bettered?
• 33:18
  Well, we'll see. We'll see as we go through the
• 33:20
  threat. We were indeed.
• 33:23
  Yes. Jason, would you care to Embark
• 33:25
  with me? Now, on the rarest of things in
• 33:28
  absolute blunt, penknife episode 7.
• 33:32
  So 7, I would love to do episode 7 with you.
• 33:35
  Joe, I believe there's only 5 episode 7 is in Doctor.
• 33:39
  Who is in there by over seven parter.
• 33:43
  If you got an arrow it to over seven Pastor then.
• 33:46
  Yeah, I think you're probably right.
• 33:48
  The Daleks Marco Polo. Evil of the Daleks on 06, the
• 33:56
  Daleks Marco Polo, evil of the Daleks doctor, with the
• 33:58
  silurians ambassador's of death and Inferno.
• 34:01
  Ah, yes of course, but then also 0 07 part but of course we can't
• 34:07
  forget that there's an episode 7 in The Invasion, the war games
• 34:10
  and the trial of a Time Lord. Come on.
• 34:13
  You forgot one. Well, there's a seventh episode
• 34:19
  in the done like master plan, but it's not called episode 7.
• 34:22
  I'll fair enough. Oh yeah, you haven't yet.
• 34:35
  Let's go and do it now. Let's do that.
• 34:37
  Okay. Well, there's a seventh episode
• 34:19
  in the done like master plan, but it's not called episode 7.
• 34:22
  I'll fair enough. Oh yeah, you haven't yet.
• 34:35
  Let's go and do it now. Let's do that.
• 34:37
  Okay.