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Sex Scenes, “Moneyball” & Unwritten Rules - Stephen Bishop x Joy Taylor · Two Personal with Joy Taylor

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  Speaker 1: The people that know about movie making would understand that
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  Speaker 1: when we'd made Moneyball, we were not making a documentary.
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  Speaker 2: This was a movie.
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  Speaker 3: Ju enough, Men are trying hard. Men need to try harder.
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  Speaker 3: Bring back yearning.
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  Speaker 2: Baseball is a game of failure.
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  Speaker 1: You have to learn how to find the victory in
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  Speaker 1: a perceived loss.
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  Speaker 3: Wait a minute, so you were naked on screen?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: I mean what was that like? It was like the
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  Speaker 4: first time. Hey guys, welcome to Personal. I'm Joy Taylor.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks so much for joining us. If you haven't already,
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  Speaker 4: make sure you hit subscribe and follow us on social
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  Speaker 4: media at too Personal Show. Really excited to have an
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  Speaker 4: incredible actor and producer joining us on the show.
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  Speaker 3: Today.
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  Speaker 4: Stephen Bishop will be joining me to talk all about
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  Speaker 4: his new movie Finding Faith.
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  Speaker 3: Plus, we debate about the.
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  Speaker 4: Unwritten rules of baseball, which, if you have followed me
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  Speaker 4: on my sports side of the career at all, you
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  Speaker 4: know how much I hate those, and we will talk
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  Speaker 4: about the real story behind his Moneyball performance, which was
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  Speaker 4: one of my favorite baseball movies. But first, oh so,
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  Speaker 4: my dear friend and business partner Marcos is constantly encouraging
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  Speaker 4: me to be more positive in my rants at the
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  Speaker 4: beginning of the show, and this one was a natural
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  Speaker 4: one for me because I would quit.
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  Speaker 3: My entire life for Benito.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm being late when I say that if I disappear,
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  Speaker 4: it's because I am.
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  Speaker 3: I'm touring the world with Bad Bunny.
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  Speaker 4: It's been announced this week that Bad Bunny will be
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  Speaker 4: the halftime performer for the Super Bowl this year, super
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  Speaker 4: Bowl sixty, and I cannot be more thrilled.
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  Speaker 3: I love Bad Bunny.
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  Speaker 4: I actually saw Bad Bunny at Coachella at Coachella yes
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  Speaker 4: where I was totally sober, and he's obviously incredible, and
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  Speaker 4: we love Bad Bunny. And he has just finished an
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  Speaker 4: incredible thirty show residency in Puerto Rico that attracted over
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  Speaker 4: six hundred thousand fans and created two one hundred million
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  Speaker 4: dollars worth of economic impacts in Puerto Rico, and his
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  Speaker 4: finale of his San Juan residency became the most watched
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  Speaker 4: single artist performance on Amazon Music to date. And my
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  Speaker 4: favorite part of this if you just as a note,
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  Speaker 4: if you want to get my juices flowing, like you
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  Speaker 4: want to tell me something that's really going to get
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  Speaker 4: me activated, like something that has upset the fuddy duds
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  Speaker 4: is always it's always going to make the KIDDI perr.
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  Speaker 4: Nothing makes my day more than a bunch of cousin
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  Speaker 4: fuckers being upset over something it has nothing to do
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  Speaker 4: with them.
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  Speaker 3: I enjoy it so much.
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  Speaker 4: It's the little things in life, you know, like one
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  Speaker 4: of the biggest artists in the world being booked for
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  Speaker 4: the Super Bowl halftime show, something that would make sense,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you know, someone who's been around music for
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  Speaker 4: quite some time, jay Z making a really good business
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  Speaker 4: decision for the NFL and for the viewers. I think
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  Speaker 4: it's spectacular that people are upset about Bad Bunny, and
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  Speaker 4: I think it's spectacular that Bad Bunny is doing the show.
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  Speaker 4: And of course it's not just Maga people who are
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  Speaker 4: upset about Bad Bunny, because we're allth make Spanish. But
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  Speaker 4: there's also this like fringe group of idiot, fake revolutionaries
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  Speaker 4: who never see around the corner. These are the people
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  Speaker 4: that actually irritate me, the Maga people. It's actually very
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  Speaker 4: fun and enjoyable because they get mad about everything. There's
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  Speaker 4: no one that could have been put in this spot
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  Speaker 4: that wasn't a white Christian rapper that would have made
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  Speaker 4: them happy.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't care about that but.
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  Speaker 4: It's the people who don't understand the vision behind Bad
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  Speaker 4: Bunny performing at the super Bowl. Oh capitalism all wins again.
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  Speaker 4: You don't get paid to do the Super Bowl. No
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  Speaker 4: one gets paid to perform at the super Bowl because
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  Speaker 4: it is the biggest stage on the planet or at least
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  Speaker 4: in American television, So no one gets paid to do it.
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  Speaker 4: It is a massive platform, and as we just saw
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  Speaker 4: with Kendrick Lamar, it is a platform that you can
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  Speaker 4: use to send a very very strong pointnance message, which
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  Speaker 4: I can promise you that Bad Bunny is going to do.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 4: The reason why some of these people are upset is
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  Speaker 4: because Bad Bunny specifically did not have any shows on
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  Speaker 4: this tour in the continental United States because he felt
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  Speaker 4: like it would be unsafe for his fans to attend
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  Speaker 4: because these losers who got picked on in high school
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  Speaker 4: and never developed a personality aka ice.
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  Speaker 3: Would be setting up raids outside of the show.
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  Speaker 4: So the response for some people is, well, if you
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  Speaker 4: weren't going to do any shows, why are you doing
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  Speaker 4: the Super Bowl?
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  Speaker 3: Now?
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  Speaker 4: This part I understand. I'm speaking from a place of privilege.
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  Speaker 4: I have been to many sporting events. I have been
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  Speaker 4: to multiple Super Bowls. I have been to NBA finals,
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  Speaker 4: i have been to MLB World Series Finals.
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  Speaker 3: I've been to a lot of these places.
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  Speaker 4: And I realize I'm speaking from a place of privilege,
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  Speaker 4: but also in this particular case, I can speak from
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  Speaker 4: a place of experience.
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  Speaker 3: The Super Bowl is.
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  Speaker 4: Not a regular attendance event. It is not reflective of
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  Speaker 4: people who normally go to a football game. It is celebrities.
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  Speaker 4: It is the wealthiest of wealthy fans of the teams,
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  Speaker 4: like people who have lots and lots of expendable income
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  Speaker 4: to spend thousands of dollars on what otherwise would be
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  Speaker 4: shitty seats to a game. It is a lot of sponsors.
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  Speaker 4: It is a lot of corporate people. It is owners
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  Speaker 4: and their friends. It is a very expensive, elitist event.
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  Speaker 4: It is super super expensive to go to the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 4: It is not an easy thing to get into. So
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  Speaker 4: that being said, it is not your average Sunday game
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  Speaker 4: that is attended by fans, local fans of the team. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: there will be fans there, they will be fans with
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  Speaker 4: lots of money. So performing at the super Bowl and
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  Speaker 4: being in that building is very, very different than bad money.
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  Speaker 3: Having tour dates around the country.
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  Speaker 4: Why Joy, Probably because the NFL is and it's billionaire
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  Speaker 4: owners is not going to risk this orange fuck setting
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  Speaker 4: up ice raids outside of the biggest night of their year.
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  Speaker 4: It's not going to happen. There are billionaires involved here,
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  Speaker 4: people with lots of money and lots of power. They're
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  Speaker 4: not going to fuck that day up over this racist,
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  Speaker 4: corny bullshit that in fact they don't care about.
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  Speaker 3: It's not gonna happen.
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  Speaker 4: What is going to happen, though, is Bad Money is
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  Speaker 4: going to have a stage to perform in Spanish for
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  Speaker 4: the entire world to see at the NFL's biggest moments
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  Speaker 4: of the year and the biggest stage in American television
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  Speaker 4: every single year. In my estimation, it will be the
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  Speaker 4: most watched halftime show in history, which the halftime shows
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  Speaker 4: are already shending in that direction anyway.
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  Speaker 3: But Bad Money is a.
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  Speaker 4: Super super super super super superstar, and just because you
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  Speaker 4: don't speak Spanish or you don't know any of his
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  Speaker 4: songs does not make him any less of a superstar.
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  Speaker 3: It quite frankly, just makes you a little less cultured.
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  Speaker 4: And you don't even have to like Bad Bunny to
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  Speaker 4: understand the impact that Bad Bunny has, So I love,
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  Speaker 4: love this choice.
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  Speaker 3: I'm so excited for the show.
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  Speaker 4: The show is gonna be sexy, it is gonna be fun,
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  Speaker 4: it's gonna be high energy, it's gonna be very enjoyable,
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  Speaker 4: and it is going to be a fantastic political statement
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  Speaker 4: for these times. So I'm so here for it. I
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  Speaker 4: think it was such a great choice. I'm so happy
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  Speaker 4: about it. And like I said, nothing gets me steamier
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  Speaker 4: than a bunch of hillbillies that can't read getting upset
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  Speaker 4: about something that they know nothing about.
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  Speaker 3: It really just makes my day. All right. Time to
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  Speaker 3: get to Stephen Bishop.
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  Speaker 4: All right, I'm so excited to have an incredible actor
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  Speaker 4: and producer. You may know him from titles like Being
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  Speaker 4: Mary Jane, Moneyball, which.
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  Speaker 3: I can't wait to talk to him about, and.
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  Speaker 4: He co stars in the film Finding Faith, where he
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  Speaker 4: plays Pastor Lewis Wesley.
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  Speaker 3: Stephen Bishop, Welcome to Supersonal.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you for having.
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  Speaker 4: Me, Thanks for joining us. Well, let's start with baseball.
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  Speaker 4: You played baseball for how long?
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  Speaker 1: Professionally?
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  Speaker 3: Just like in your life?
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  Speaker 4: Because I have a theory about baseball that I'm going
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna lob to you.
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  Speaker 3: Was it hard to retire.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I actually I didn't retire.
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  Speaker 1: After I was released from professional baseball. I started playing
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  Speaker 1: wherever I could play. I played in some men's leagues.
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  Speaker 1: I played in wood bat leagues. I was a mercenary
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  Speaker 1: where teams would come get me to go play in
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  Speaker 1: tournaments like Team Easton, you know the Eastern Bats. They
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  Speaker 1: came and got me. And this was the last tournament
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  Speaker 1: I ever played. We played the Men's wood Bat World
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  Speaker 1: Series in Arizona. We won it, we got our rings.
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  Speaker 1: I retired. I gave it up for golf.
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  Speaker 4: So okay, yeah, I see that you're a big golfer
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  Speaker 4: on social media. So oh, how old were you when
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  Speaker 4: you started playing baseball?
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  Speaker 1: Three?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, So this is my theory about baseball players. I
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  Speaker 4: think baseball is the hardest sport to retire from because football,
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  Speaker 4: in a lot of ways, your body will tell you
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  Speaker 4: when to retire.
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  Speaker 3: And football, I'm like baseball or even.
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  Speaker 4: Basketball, there's no other league, Like there's no lower league.
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  Speaker 4: You're not going overseas to play like you're playing in
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  Speaker 4: the NFL, or you're done like I have.
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  Speaker 1: Heard of some people, though, that have found men's football
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  Speaker 1: leagues where there's are older guys that are out there
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  Speaker 1: like us in baseball, and they're just getting hammered.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they're killing each other out there.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure they exist, but generally speaking, like your body
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  Speaker 4: gets banged up very badly, you are pretty much aware.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone is pretty much aware.
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  Speaker 4: You're likely not playing forty plus unless you are a
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  Speaker 4: kicker or a quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: There's very few outliers in that space even if you do.
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  Speaker 4: And so football kind of your body kind of ends
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  Speaker 4: it for you, and there's not really a whole lot
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  Speaker 4: of other options to drag it out. Basketball kind of similar,
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  Speaker 4: but there is international there's you know, like Big Three,
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  Speaker 4: like you can you can drag it out extended a
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  Speaker 4: little bit longer, but even still, it's a young man's game,
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  Speaker 4: and it is just very different type of sport. Baseball though,
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  Speaker 4: not only could you play for a very long time.
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  Speaker 3: There are a lot of options.
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  Speaker 4: There's independent ball, there's these tournaments you can play internationally.
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  Speaker 4: But you play that's the first sport you play. You
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  Speaker 4: started playing when you were three years old.
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  Speaker 1: I actually wandered away from daycare and saw kids playing.
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  Speaker 3: Gapes daycare.
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  Speaker 1: And saw kids playing Little League, and went and tugged
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  Speaker 1: on the coach and asked if I could play because
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  Speaker 1: my mom had been teaching me how to play since
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  Speaker 1: I could stand right, she was tossing me balls and
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  Speaker 1: you know, my dad brought a glove to the maternity ward.
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  Speaker 2: You know, so I was that was my thing. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it is. It is one of the first sports.
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  Speaker 1: The first sport I think that a lot of kids play,
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  Speaker 1: and it is a sport is gymnastics because we're all tumbling.
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  Speaker 1: We're learning how to tumble and fall and doing that.
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  Speaker 1: And then soccer is one that a lot of really
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  Speaker 1: young kids play because they're you know, it's a very
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  Speaker 1: good sport to start, because you're learning how to use
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  Speaker 1: footwork and coordination and distance.
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  Speaker 2: And angles and things like that.
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  Speaker 1: So but yeah, baseball is a sport that you you
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  Speaker 1: start out very young, and it is a sport that
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  Speaker 1: you can extend into older ages.
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  Speaker 2: I still feel like I could play.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like if I could, you know, give me
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  Speaker 1: a couple of weeks to I mean, I still throw.
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  Speaker 1: I coach, you know, and I coach high school and
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  Speaker 1: college guys, and I still throw BP and I still
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  Speaker 1: play catch, and I still and I feel like if I.
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  Speaker 2: Now, my legs don't feel the same.
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  Speaker 1: My legs tell me, like, if I was to try
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  Speaker 1: to run from home to first, I'd probably pull a hamstring.
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  Speaker 1: But if I could get a couple of weeks, I
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  Speaker 1: still feel like I could play competitor.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, maybe you could. I don't know what, what's
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  Speaker 4: your okay? I if I start running, it's an emergency
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  Speaker 4: because like I'm not trying to run anywhere. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 4: my trainer puts me on the treadmill at the gym.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't I might not come back here.
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  Speaker 4: I hate running, And I ran track in college, so
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  Speaker 4: it's it's out of my system. But I really I
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  Speaker 4: ran at a school in Pennsylvania.
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  Speaker 1: My sister ran track in college in college Stanford.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so she was. She's a couple of sicks out
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  Speaker 3: above me.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, I just I think baseball is the hardest
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  Speaker 4: to get out of your system.
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  Speaker 3: And in my experience, like it is.
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  Speaker 4: It's just you play from when when you're so little,
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  Speaker 4: Like baseball is so different than football and basketball, like
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  Speaker 4: you're not you don't have the coordination to really play
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  Speaker 4: basketball as a little kid, and so you're like like
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  Speaker 4: six or seven or eight, and they even still it's
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  Speaker 4: like a little nasty to watch football, even the little ones,
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  Speaker 4: they're still kind of just running around, but base giant
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  Speaker 4: look like yeah, And like a lot of kids now
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  Speaker 4: are playing flag before they get into tackle football, so
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  Speaker 4: they wait so they're a little bit older. My nephews
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  Speaker 4: did that and my brother so yeah, I mean, I
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  Speaker 4: I just I stand by this theory, like baseball is
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  Speaker 4: the hardest sport to get out of your system and
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  Speaker 4: walk away from.
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  Speaker 2: I actually coached flag football.
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  Speaker 1: Peterberg, the director of Peterburg, and I coached together for
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  Speaker 1: a couple of years.
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  Speaker 2: We coached first year out we were.
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  Speaker 1: Undefeated gost Saints and I was the defensive coordinator, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, it was it was a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 2: I think with baseball.
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  Speaker 1: Though, because baseball is a slower sport as far as pace,
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  Speaker 1: where we're standing around a lot waiting in between pitches
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  Speaker 1: and you know, with mound visits and all the other stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And basketball is a.
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  Speaker 1: Stamina sport where you're going up and down the court
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  Speaker 1: non stop, sometimes for two three minutes without a time out,
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  Speaker 1: and football is the you know, collision sport. I think
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  Speaker 1: baseball lends itself to being able to extend because we
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  Speaker 1: you know, we pace ourselves our season. If you're in
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  Speaker 1: the big leagues, you're one hundred and sixty two games
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  Speaker 1: in one hundred and eighty days, you know, and so
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  Speaker 1: at three and a half hours, you know, are looking
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  Speaker 1: in the stands, smelling the grass.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's a much more relaxed sport.
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  Speaker 1: It's it is from what most people would tell you,
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  Speaker 1: the most difficult thing to do in sport is hit
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  Speaker 1: a pitch. Baseball.
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  Speaker 3: I believe this.
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  Speaker 4: I've had this argument with many athletes. But I think
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  Speaker 4: to hit in the majors, like to hit a major
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  Speaker 4: league pitcher, I think is almost impossible to do.
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  Speaker 1: High school to hit a well, I'm.
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  Speaker 3: Not hitting anything. I mean, you could tell you look
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  Speaker 3: terrible no matter what.
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  Speaker 1: You could take some of the best athletes in the
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  Speaker 1: world and put them in a high school game and
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  Speaker 1: they wouldn't make contact.
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  Speaker 2: And it's I mean, you have four tenths of a second.
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  Speaker 1: If a guy's out there throwing ninety miles an hour,
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  Speaker 1: you have four tenths of a second to see the
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  Speaker 1: ball out of his hand, decide what pitch it is,
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  Speaker 1: decide if it's in the hitting zone, and get the
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  Speaker 1: swing off less than half a second to do that, so,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and evidenced by the fact that the you
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  Speaker 1: know what a lot of people would call the greatest
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  Speaker 1: athlete ever, Michael Jordan tried it and had, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a very mediocre experience with I mean, now, he had
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  Speaker 1: some flashes, but without playing his whole life. It wasn't
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  Speaker 1: like it was something that he could just jump in
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  Speaker 1: there and do do you.
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  Speaker 4: Think that baseball gets uh? Do you think how do
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  Speaker 4: you think it evolves? Because for me covering baseball, it's
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  Speaker 4: become a very regional sport and the excitement of baseball
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  Speaker 4: to me because the season is so long and you
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  Speaker 4: have you have all these god forsaken unwritten rules. I'm
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  Speaker 4: still not a fan of unwritten rules. I'm I can't
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  Speaker 4: tell by your smile if you agree or if you're, like.
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  Speaker 2: I subscribe to pearists. Still teach them the kids.
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  Speaker 4: They're not rules. They're literally unwritten. They're not rules, they're.
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  Speaker 2: Rules within the fraternity of Now.
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  Speaker 4: That's not a rule, that's literally That's the definition of
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  Speaker 4: a rule is that it is a rule. It's like
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  Speaker 4: it's agreed upon fantasy things.
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  Speaker 2: It's not a rule of the game.
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  Speaker 1: Playing the game, but in the context of the fraternity
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  Speaker 1: of players. There are rules that you just don't break, and.
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  Speaker 3: Those they are suggestions.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that's how people get hurt. They take them as suggestions.
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  Speaker 4: But can you just you do understand what I'm saying though,
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  Speaker 4: right Like, it doesn't.
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  Speaker 3: It does not make sense to me. Why can't you
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  Speaker 3: flip abat?
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  Speaker 1: It's disrespectful. Listen, I'm listen. Here's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: It's already you've already.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: Done what you were supposed to do. You've already beat
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: the man. Okay, you've already hit him into the second deck.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: The entire stands have watched you do it. And now
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: you want to rub it in his face. Yes, yeah,
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: that's disrespectful and you can do it. You can fully
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: do it. Just be prepared to pay the cost of that.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: If here's what the philosophy was. If I'm hitting and
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: I do that, I hit a home run and I
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: flip my bat and I'm hey, look at me. The
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: guy behind me in my lineup when I come and
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: touch home plate, he's gonna look at me like, bro,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: you probably just got me hit. And that's the way
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: we were.
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: But you do understand like this, that's that's like part
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: of the like pomp and circumstance of sport. Like, what's
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: the difference between a receiver dancing in the end zone
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: and someone flipping about and you do yourself just said
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: it's the hardest thing in sports to do is to
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: hit a home run.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: The difference, I don't think the difference of dance. There's
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: dance in the end zone is a different thing. If
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: you stand over the guy that you just caught the
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: ball on and dance over him, you're gonna get in
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: a fight.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: And that's the equivalent.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: Maybe now you'll get a penalty because they're soft, but I.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: And you'll get in a fight.
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: So you're not all so like baseball puts all these
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: parameters around how you're supposed to behave that are not
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: real rules.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Well, that's an.
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: Stifle the like the creativity and the fun of the sport.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Full disclosure, I am. I have been online. Had a
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: live with David Justice, Royce Clayton, Jerry Hairston coaches about
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: bat flips and how our generation was totally against it.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: The more subtle your pimp job, the more of a pimp.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Job it was.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Now it's they're throwing the bat fifty feet in the air,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: it's coming down hitting the umpire, they're doing pirouette down
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: the line, they're doing all kinds of stuff that we
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: look at as you're over doing it, act like you've
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: been there before. Is this your first home run? I mean,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: you see what run you shouldn't be in the big
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: leagues if that's your first time run or in college.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: No, like your first big league home run, you can't
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: pimp that one.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Depends what depends on the situation. If it's a walk
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: off homer, pimp it. If it's a you know, if
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: it's a homer five hundred and twenty feet, pimp it,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: But tread lightly because if it's your first home run,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: you're likely a rookie, and that guy out there that
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: you hit it off of is likely not and he's
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: likely going to come up and in at you the
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: next time. Not to mention the guy behind you, who
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: might be a fifteen year veteran, he's going to throw
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: at him, and then you're gonna have to deal with
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: You know, our philosophy in college was you do something
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: like that to disrespect our team or show up our pitcher,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: We're going to hit the next guy and let you,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: guys figure that out and dugout, and then you're gonna
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: get it again the next time you come up to
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: the plate.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: So here was it.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Like you say, you can do it, you just have
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: to be prepared to pay the cost of doing.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: Why do you have to pay the cost though?
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: Like?
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: Why, I just don't understand it. I don't understand. It's
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: not real rules.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: No, no, they're not rules. It's just it's a respect thing.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: We understand how difficult the game is. We understand the grind.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: We understand that everybody out here is trying the best
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: they can. I already defeated you. I don't then need
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: to rub it in your face.
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: And if you're wearing a shirt with Muhammad Ali on it, yeah,
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: like one of the greatest trash talkers of all time,
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: it may be the greatest.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: I'm young, I'm pretty, I ain't got a scar on
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: my face.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: I must be the greatest, right, So, like this type
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: of stuff is part of the sport.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: That sport.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: They're already fighting.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: They're already fighting, all.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: Right, all right, I just you know what, we have
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: to agree to disagree because I hate the unwritten rules
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: of baseball.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: And listen, I understand.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: I don't expect anybody but baseball players to really get
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: it and to adhere to it. You know, there are
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: guys out there who are old school fans who understand it,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: and but you know, I don't expect anybody but baseball
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: players to really grasp not grasp it, but really feel
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: it in their spirit and respect it. You know. It's
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: like I said, we understand it's very difficult. Like you know,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: when guys are out there screaming and yelling at hitters
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: after they strike him out. You know, listen, Okay, you
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: already struck me out. It's already the hardest thing in
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: sport to do, and that was your ninth of the day.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Why are you screaming at me?
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: It's just I like the animosity. I like the the
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: edginess of the back and forth. But I understand, listen,
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: I've had this conversation many times, but I won't be moved.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: And here's the thing that people say, Oh, when you
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: you throw at the guy, you're soft, you know, because
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: well you're being sensitive. You flip the bat, you couldn't
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: handle it, you throw at him, you're soft if you
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: don't want him to hit a home run.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Pitch better.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: But what they failed realize is that by throwing at him,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: we are inviting him out to fight. Right.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: So who's really soft?
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: The guy who wants to take liberties without any consequence,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: or the guy who's out there saying, oh word, you
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: want to you want to do?
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, come on out and see me. I want to
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: talk to you about it. Who's soft for real? The
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: guy who doesn't want to throw at me.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: I'm getting thrown that probably sucks.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: It sucks even when it's not on purpose.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: I just I like to see it. I like the animosity.
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: So how did you move from baseball into acting?
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: I took a drama course in college and the professor,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: you know, he told me at the end of the course, hey,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: you know you're pretty good at this. You might want
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: to consider doing this for a living. And I was
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: playing college baseball at the time. I'm like, nah, I'm
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: gonna be baseball player. So he's like, well, you know,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: you never know. Put it in your back pocket. Maybe
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: after baseball or between seasons, if you get hurt or something,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: maybe you never know.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: And I was like, you know, that's true. I do
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: enjoy it, and.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: It is something that I would love to do after baseball.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: And then after baseball happened a little sooner than I
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: thought it was going to, so I transitioned, and I
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: probably I made a rash decision. When I got released
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: by Baltimore. I happened to be in Victorville at the time,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: and Victorville was an hour and a half from here,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: and I just had gotten tired of the politics and
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: I knew baseball, I mean, acting was something I wanted
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: to do. And it was like, LA's right there, LA's
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: right there. And I was getting calls from independent teams
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: and other teams saying, hey, we know you just got released,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: we might have a spot for you. Are you're still
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: interested in it? And I was like, I don't know,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know, And I just decided, you know, I've
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: said it before. I kept hearing it's time, it's time,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: and I took that as God's voice telling me it's
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: time to get off that train transfer to the one
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: that would take me to sitting here with you today.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: And so I just rented a car, threw all my
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: stuff in the car, called my college buddy and was like, hey,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: you're still in l a right, and He's like, yeah,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: I said, I'm gonna need your couch for a little
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: while until I can get on my feet. And he
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: was like, come on, damn, big shout Thomas where I'll
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: never forget it.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: That's a that's a crazy way to move to LA
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: and start acting.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And people always ask me if they're like, so,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: you said you did it because you were tired of
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: the politics.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: So you got I was.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: Going to.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: The fire.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, But.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: You know, ultimately it was the right decision. And I
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: still get to, like I said, I still coach, and
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: I still get to get my baseball fixed and get
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: back to the game. And uh, I've had players that
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: I've coached, you know, go to major colleges and things
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: like that. So it's satisfying and rewarding. And I really
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: think that it was the right thing to do at
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: the time. It got I mean, baseball got me a
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: lot of things in life. I met a lot of
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: people through baseball. I met a lot of connections, I
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: made a lot of business connections, and I had a
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: lot of experiences. So it taught me a lot of
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: life lessons. Most of the things that I go through
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: in life, most of the lessons or the philosophies that
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: I carry in life come from baseball, and I equate
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: a lot of things. And we'll probably have that tonight
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: happen where I will say, well, I equate this to baseball.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: If you're doing X Y and Z, then x Y.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: You know, so I baseball doesn't owe me anything. Had
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: a great time with it and it was extremely rewarding.
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: Well, and then you played a player in one of
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: the one of my favorite baseball movies and Moneyball.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, how was that experience for you?
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: And do you think that the movie watching the movie,
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: that it was accurate.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: That's a good question. I loved the experience. First of all.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Let's let's let me start by saying this. David Justice,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: when I was nineteen became eighteen nineteen became my idol.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: I was at practice and one.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Of my teammates came and said, hey, you did you
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: watch the Braves game last night? And I was like,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: why would I watch the Braves game? They were terrible
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: at the time. He said, we'll go home tonight and
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: watch it. It was so I went home and you know,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, the batter or number twenty three right
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: field or David Justice and he walks up and I'm like,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: holy shit, that dude.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: Looks just like me. And so he hits a home
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: run and you know, he had a great game.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: So I go back to practice. The next day, I'm like, coach,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: I want to change my number. This is my guy.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: You know. Team starts calling me Baby Justice. I go
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: to the Giants game when the Braves. I'm in the
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Bay Area. I go to Giants game when the Braves
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: come to town, and I run, you know, go to
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: I grew up watching baseball games in stadium, so I
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: know how to go to BP and talk to the players.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: So I go down to the fence and Dave Dave
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: when he's running off the field. He comes running. He's
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: like looking at me, like and I'm like, hey, man,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: you know, you're my favorite player all my you know,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: my teammates call me baby Justice to and he's just
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: looking at me. He's like, man, when I came over,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: he was like I was looking in a mirror. So
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: he gives me some batting gloves. That next year, I
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: get a scholarship to U see Riverside, and I save
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: his gloves for Riverside. I go I have a twenty
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: two game hitting streak with his gloves written up in
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Baseball America, the whole thing. Go back to the Giants
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: game and I say, Dave, hey, man, you know I
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: had a twenty two game hitting streak with your gloves.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much. And he's like, all right on man.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: The following spring, I sign with the Braves and I
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: go to spring training. I show up. I go to
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: the big league clubhouse and I'm like, Dave, what's up? Man?
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: You remember me?
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: He's like, uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember you. But
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: are you supposed to be in here? How'd you get
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: in here because I'm in street clothes And I'm like,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: oh no, no, no, I sign I'm.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: With the organization. And he's like, oh, you really play.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: And I was like, bro, I told you I had
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: a college twenty two game hitting streak with your gloves.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: He's oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, a lot of people say shit,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: but you really play. He put his arm around me, Hey,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: this is my little brother. You treat him like you
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: would treat me. Takes me over to the minor league clubhouse,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: to the clubby and says, hey, this is my little brother.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Make sure he gets all the best bats, all the
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: best everything.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: So David and I have been very close friends for
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: thirty us plus years.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: We call each other brothers. I call him big Bro,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: he calls me Little Bro.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: He's come to my house and spoken to my son
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: about baseball and how to navigate high school baseball.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Very very very close friends. So I say all I
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: had to say.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: That the people that know about movie making would understand
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: that when we'd made Moneyball, we were not making a documentary.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Right, Okay, this was a movie.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: And the people that know me would know that somebody
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: that I care about that much and that I'm that
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: close with, there's not a chance that I would shoot
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: a frame of that movie without consulting him. So when
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: I consulted him and I said, hey, this is what
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: they got going on. I think he might have read
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: a previous script, but I told him what was going on,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: how much of this is real, how much of this
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: is embellished for Hollywood? And he said, oh, none of
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: that happened. I was like, okay, cool, right on. I
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: talked to Billy Bean while we were shooting, you know,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: how was David, you know, doing my research? And he
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: was like, David was the first guy to get on
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: board with this, He was not a problem at all. This,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: you know, this is embellished. So some of it is accurate.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: The main story points of the players and the games
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: and the scores and the things like that are inaccurate,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, are accurate. But some of it is embellished. Yes,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: and it because we don't really know what happened in
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: those locker rooms. We have to make up a story.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: They're also in a movie, there's always going to be
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: the hero's journey, which is the hero is established, then
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: there's conflict, and then there's resolution. We didn't and who
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: better to be the conflict than the superstar who's just
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: coming over from the Big Yankees and into a situation
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: where it looks like it would be beneath him. Right now,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: all that to say, David is one of the nicest,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: greatest guys on the planet. He is a consummate professional.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: He would never be the guy that I played in Moneyball.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: But in order to make the movie interesting in a
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: drama sense, there were things that had to be embellished,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: and his character was one of those things. Not the
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: only one, or how didn't really look like that Peter
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: brand Jonah Hill's character, There's no such person as Peter
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Brand That was a different executive whose name got changed.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Royce Clayton didn't who played Miguel to Hatta played against
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Miguel to Hatta in the Big Leagues, and he was
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: playing him in the movie. So to the people who
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: have had a problem because I, you know, speaking to
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Dave and seeing Dave do the interview on a different platform,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: there's some people that are upset with how he was portrayed.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: To them, I say, you know your guy, Yes, this
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: was not the way your guy was. David was the
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: the ultimate professional. Things were embellished. But I want to
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: defend the movie and say that we weren't making documentary
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: and we did speak about it, and I just I don't,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't want him to ever feel any
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: kind of way because he knows how protective I am
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: of him. Yeah, and you know, and we talked about
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: it after that and he's like, bro, we don't have
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: any problem. We you know, you and I are always
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: going to be good for life. I just feel like
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: there may have been some people that have that spoke
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: to him, got in his ear and they didn't like
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: how he was portrayed.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: So, David, if you're watching this. You know, I love you.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: I just had to tell you know, I wanted to.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you asked me that because I wanted to
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: get that off my chest, because I got like fifteen
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: or sixteen dms with that screenshot of the of the
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: area and I'm like, yeah, no, it's not like we
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: I could have told you that if you asked me
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: to my friends. Yeah, yeah, of course that.
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, it's a movie. Like it's to your point,
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: it's not a documentary. You have to make it watchable, right,
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: and things are going to be embellished, and it's that
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: must have been very Did you feel nervous playing someone
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: that you knew that I did?
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: I did.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: And the thing about it is there's an arc in
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: his character. It's not just he's not just an asshole
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: the whole time. At the very beginning, he stand offish,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: and then he becomes the leader they want him to be,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: so there's a there's a great arc for him. It
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: was extremely nerve wracking to play him because I knew
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: him so well, and I knew his mannerisms and things
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: like that, so I knew I could get him down.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: But I wanted to make sure that I did a
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: good job with you know, and he actually sat next
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: to me at the premiere. Him and his wife sat
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: next to me at the premiere.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, I hadn't seen it.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: What so I'm sitting there with you know, a close
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: close friend of mine, going, oh my goodness, I hope
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: I did a good job here.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: I hope I did.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: And it was over, and you know, they both gave
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: love and you know, so I walked away from that
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: feeling very very good about it. And it wasn't until
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: recently that I knew anything about any kind of problem
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: or issue with it. So I, like I said, I
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't think he had a problem with
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: the way I did it.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: I just think that, well, you also didn't write the movie.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: I didn't write the movie, you know what I mean.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: That's that's what he understands.
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: But you know, and you it sounds like you kept
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: him in the loop about absolutely.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: I would never do like I said, I would never
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: shoot even a frame of it without talking to him
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: about it, because I want to do my research and
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: I want to make sure that I know.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: What I'm doing and whether or not.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: It really happened, because if it really happened, I'm going
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: to ask him, what was your mindset in that moment?
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: Well, it's tricky, right, because that movie is about like
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: real people for the most part, like something that actually happened,
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: and not just a script that someone wrote about something
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: that you know has character types, but it isn't necessarily
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: about something that really happened.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: Like it's a story.
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: This is a story, but it's about a story about
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: something that happened.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a historical event, and the events are played
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: out the way they happened in the baseball right on
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: the baseball field. I don't know how much of any
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: of the locker room stuff is true. You know, we
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: would never know that, right unless we got all the
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: players together and we're like, what kind of conversation?
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: Well, even then, people have.
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: Their own memories of how things went down, right, Like
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: I saw this therapist talking online about how like no
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: two kids have the same childhood, and like we can
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: all be in the same room and have a different
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: version of what happened in the room. Now, there's some
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: connective truth to it, but someone might have gotten their
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: feelings hurt and they walked away from it feeling a
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: little differently than the other person. Even like, oh, we
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: were having a great time, Like, yeah, you guys were
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: having a great time. I was getting teased, so I
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: didn't have a great time or I was laughing, but
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: I was really upset about what you guys were saying.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: So even those those memories of.
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: The locker room experiences would be hard to capture that
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: far away from right from what happened.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: You know. So that's what I'm saying.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's a movie, and unfortunately not everybody
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: can be Ah the hero in every scene, you know,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: But like I said, there was I felt there was
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: a really good arc for David, and.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: He is absolutely right.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: It was not accurate in the way his interactions with
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: certain people went down, and he told me that from
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: the beginning. Billy told me that I knew that, and
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: it was never an attempt to make it right, to
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: hide it from it.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean. Do you like playing villains?
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: I do? I do.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: I like it because I'm I'm not tip of a villain.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: So it allows you to express to exactly.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: It allows me to allot to let my demons come
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: to the surface and live there for a minute instead
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: of constantly suppressing them.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: Do you find it hard to get them to go
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: back away.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was you're on top of this shit, man. Yes,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: until Death do Us Part, the film I did with
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Annie Alonza and Tay Diggs. It took two weeks to
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: come out of that, and I was coaching Little League
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: at the time, so my team was like, they're nine
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: and ten year old kids.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: They're like, what's wrong with coach man? He's on edge?
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it does because you, at least me. I
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: can't speak for every actor, but I commit, and like
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: the one I did Girl in the Garage recently, which
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: was the worst experience of my career as far as
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: living in that skin. I you know, I had to
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: tell people before we started shooting, you can't take anything personally.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to be me when I get to set.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: I have to go into a place where I have
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: to commit to it.
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: So you you really commit to the character while you're shooting.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: While I'm shooting, now, I'm not method. I don't go
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: into it, you know. But for that role, it was
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: so dark and he was so.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Mean that it.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Would have been difficult for me to keep going back
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: and forth. So while I was on set, I stayed
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: to myself. I stayed in a dark place mentally, like
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: if I was in the trailer between scenes or whatever,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: I was watching something dark on the phone, I was,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: you know, I was doing things to keep myself in
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: that in that spirit.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Because.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Going back and forth between being cool and talking and
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: jovial and happy to then having to be really dark
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: and abusive, I don't think it would have rang true.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: You know. I needed to really carry that weight the
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: whole time, and that one it didn't take as much
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: to come out of because I wanted out, you know
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: what I mean. I really didn't like it. And so
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: as soon as I wrapped my last scene, I took
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: off every stitch of clothing that I had, some of
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: which was my own, and I threw it in the garbage,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: and I brought extra clothes with me because I knew
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: I was going to do that, and I didn't want
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: any of that energy to come with me out of
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: that trailer. So I prayed, I you know, I both
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: thanked and apologized to God for what had just happened,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: and I prayed for him to give me the st
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: strength to release it all and never look back. And
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: I almost didn't watch it, but I had to watch
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: it because I think I had some press to do
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: and to you know, to talk about it. And yeah,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: you know, but it was so, Yes, playing villains is cool,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: playing that villain was not, But playing the villain in
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Till Death it was part.
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: Was well, I guess there's a difference between a villain
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: and a bad guy, Like it sounds like the character
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: you were playing was legitimately bad, Like there are there
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: are villains that I think get painted as villains or
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: do villainous type things, yeah, or that don't allow you
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: to tap into the darkest, you know, content.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: And that was Till Death was part.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: It wasn't as like, first of all, Girl in the
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Garage was a true story about a real person, so I.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so that has to be extra energy.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Also Till Death it was part.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: I created that character and was know he wasn't always
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: a bad guy in the In the he was a
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: very loving husband who just became obsessed in controlling and.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: Abusive, you know what I mean. And and uh so
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: it was easier to play that role.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: I mean it was. It wasn't easy because you know,
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Annie would tell you if you sat with her between
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: every take, I was like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, are
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: you okay, I'm sorry, but it was it was easier
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: because I knew it wasn't real, and it wasn't The
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: girl in the garage character was more difficult because of
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: the fact that there were kids involved in the abuse,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: and being a dad and somebody who's worked with kids
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: for a long time, and being ah an ambassador for
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Prevent Child Abuse America and an ambassador for Boys and
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Girls Clubs of America, that was very difficult for me
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: to do be at all mean to children. At the
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: point where when we would the scenes, I would call
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: the kids over and I would have to I would
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: tell them, listen, you guys have to understand, this is
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: not real. This is not who I am, this is
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: not how I feel about you, okay, but we have
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: to pretend like it's real. Okay. So I need you
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: guys to help me, and really, you know, get into
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: it with me and just know that we're all having
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: a you know, we're making art here and it's you know,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: we're all in it together, you know. So I try
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: to find a way to lighten it. But it was
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: still terrible.
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: That sounds crazy. I saw something from the IT movie.
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: I can't remember the actor's name that plays the clown.
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: But he was doing that basically with the kids, like
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: making sure that they were good before he steps into
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: this like super scary role. I mean working with working
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: with kids in that capacity must must have been nuts. Well,
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: you play a preacher just yeah, a much lighter transition
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: in this current film. Are you do you go to church?
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: Do you have like a background or that.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: No, I don't. I'm not a religious man. I'm a
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: very spiritual man. I've got a strong relationship with God.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: When I was I've told this story before. When I
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: was fifteen, I met God underneath a suburban.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: I got hit by a part.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: I was bent over in front of a suburban that
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: was parked, putting my ski boot back on the tree
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: that it had fallen off of while I was walking
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: to the lodge, and they didn't see me bent over
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: and they started driving.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: You got hit by a car and I got.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Dragged underneath it and I for you know, thirty forty
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: feet and walked away from that without a scratch.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Skied that day.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: They ambulance came, they checked me for shock, all that
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: nothing nothing. So my faith and belief in God is
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: strong and unshakable because I met God and I literally
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: don't have any need to have any further solidification of
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: my faith or belief. And my mom was raised in
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Catholic schools, so she wanted to let me make my
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: own decisions on religion based on life experience.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: And the decision that I made was.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: That I didn't feel the need for religion in my life.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: I started seeing through life experience that a lot of
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: the world's wars were started based on religion. So it
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: was kind of divisive, and at the same time, there
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: was a goodness to it where it seemed like they
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: were all different routes to the same destination.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: And so I was like, well, if people are.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Going to church to find and solidify their faith because
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: maybe they're going through things, is that they need to
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: They need the Word, they need the fellowship, they need
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: those things to keep pushing. I don't begrudge them that,
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: but it's just not anything that I need in my life.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: So for finding faith, how did you study?
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: A guy at my golf club is a pastor and
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: I see him all the time, and I will talk
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: to him about God. And you know what, certain things
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: that I had gone through or will be going through
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: in life, and he invited me to his church once
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: and I so I was like, you know, I'm not
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: church guy, but because you've invited me, I'll come.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: And so, you know, I was watching him, not.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Because I ever thought I would play a pastor, but
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: because I wanted to see how he was different from
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: the guy I knew at the golf club when he
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: was on stage doing his thing, And so I paid
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: very close attention to him. And when I got this role,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: I just went back in that memory bang and remembered
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: him and tone of his voice and you know, and
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: then I just made it my own. And like I said,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: it helped being so close to God, being so in
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: tune and having conversations and really realizing, you know, the
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: awareness of God's presence. And when serendipity happens, I always
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: notice it and I always, you know, I'll talk to
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: God when it happens.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: And I said this before.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: God has a sense of humor, So when serendipity happens,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: a lot of aha, I.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: See you, you know what I mean.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: So it just was easy for me to let that
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: pour out into the dialogue. My feeling, my love and
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: my my my my faith I'm looking for a different word.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: But my connection, my trust, and my admiration. It was
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: easy for me to let that pour out into the character.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: And you didn't have to check out of that.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: I did not have to check out of that one.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: That one was actually very pleasant to do, and I
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: enjoyed doing that every day, and I felt God's presence
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: while I was doing it. There was you know, the
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: sermons in the film, they changed them the day that
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: I was doing them. They changed them and so I
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: had to learn them again that day.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: And did you do like a Cadence? Did you have
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: a preacher of Cadence?
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: I tried to Yeah, yeah, I know that.
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: No no, no, no, no no, yeah yeah.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: And there's a there's an ethereal tone, you know, and
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: he because you're you're a you're a shepherd and you
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: know you're you're trying to have a softer uh.
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: But it's like it's also uh powerful powerful, it has
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: like a sing songs to it.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I said in the film something like when I
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: was young and I was finding my way, I was
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: struggling and I said to God, God, I need you
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: to come down. I need your help. I don't know
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: how I'm going to get through this, you know that
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: kind of you know, so I just I just let
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: it flow. And from what people told me that, you know,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: I did a good job.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: So I was from just one trip to church.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Well, I had been to church, and I had watched
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: I had watched you know, I had been to church. Maybe,
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: let's see, I think.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: I had gone to church three or four times throughout
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: my life.
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: That is crazy to me. I don't go to church,
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: but I grew up in a Baptist church where like
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: three days a week was light. Yeah, because it was
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: Sunday morning and Sunday night and then Wednesday night Bible
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: study and then there was usually like some other type
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: of thing throughout the weekend.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: But yeah, it could be. It was anywhere from like
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: three to.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: And I had been in funerals. I had gone to
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: church for funerals. Yeah, and I had seen pastors on television,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: you know, so I had enough experience seeing it to
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: know how to create mind.
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: Well. Also to your point though, like if you have
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: a relationship with God, then you don't have to pretend
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: that at all. It's more about you know, capturing the
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: environment of church.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: And what was crazy is that one of the sermons
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: that I did. The story that I told was my story.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: It was an actual true story, So it was real.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: I wasn't I wasn't acting there. I mean, I was acting,
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: but I wasn't reading a false testimony.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: I was giving my real testimony.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: And so yeah, it was not difficult at all to
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: get into the character and to let it.
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: How do you deal with ree That's a question I
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: get asked a lot by young people. And you, I mean,
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: just came to LA and made it happen from your
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: friend's couch. But a part of this business is rejection, absolutely,
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: So how do you.
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: Deal with that and process getting told?
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: Now here's our first baseball analogy.
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: Said it was coming.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: Baseball is a game of failure.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: Yes, if you are a hitter and you are great,
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer, you're going to fail seventy percent
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: of the time. So you have to learn how to
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: find the victory in a perceived loss. If I hit
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: a line drive and the shortstop jumps up and snags it,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: but I but I hammered it.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: Who won that at bat?
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: Most people would say the picture because he got me out,
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: But I would say no, I did because the next
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: time I come up to the plate, who do you
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: think has more confidence the guy who just leaned on
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: something or the guy who just heard the loudest sound
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: of the night come off of one of his pitches.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: I won that. So in acting, I find the victory
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: in the perceived loss by saying when I audition, as
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: long as I did my best work in the room,
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: I win, and I let it go. And if it
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: comes back and I get the job, oh that's that's
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: gravy on top of it. But I'm just going to
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: do what I can to make sure that my spirit
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: feels like I win. And so I don't even really
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: consider it rejection. I just consider there's been a few
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: that I really wanted that I didn't get, But I
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: don't as long as I did the work right, as
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: long as I felt when I left that I that
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: I did what I wanted to do, then I can
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: I can live with whatever happened.
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: That's a great mentality to have. I mean, I think that.
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: The way that I look at it rejection is that
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: it just wasn't meant for you. Like there's just been
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: times in my career where I really wanted something and
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: now looking back on it, if I got it. It
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: would have changed the course of my life. Yeah, And
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: at the time I was really pissed about it. But
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: and it was definitely rejection. But it just wasn't meant
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: for me. And and it's very like all these things
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: are kind of cliches, but what's meant for you is
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: just meant for you. Like, you can still want things,
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: you can still think some things, right, you can still
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: be disappointed. But it is important when you're in an
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: industry that is kind of built around rejection and choice
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: that is in a lot of ways out of your
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: control because you could have done your best work. But
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: you know, the casting directors like, no, I like this guy,
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: like I've worked with them before and he's a friend
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: of mine, and that's it. Yeah, so you have to
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: it to be kind to yourself then that way, all right,
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: I want to get to these these rapid fire questions
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: real quick. I don't know the ones that you have
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: for me. Should we trade off? Yeah, let's trade off.
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: Let's trade questions we have We haven't done that that
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: way yet. Okay, someone you would love to share the
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: screen with.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: Wow, Am I supposed to go rapid fire? Or can
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: I think about it?
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: We'll give you a couple of seconds. There's unwritten rule.
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: It's rapid fire.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: But but you don't.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: You don't abide by unwritten rules.
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to be respectful of my guests, like you, like.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: Who would it be?
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: Now, that's a tough one because I've shared the screen
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: with all of the people that I really wanted to.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: But Tom Hardy, Oh, okay, Tom Hardy.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: He's he's a beast.
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's great.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: And I think that he and I if we could
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: do something together, we I think we would we would
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: make magic.
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: Okay, we'll manifest that. Tom Hardy, all right?
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: T Uh.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: What is the last film that made you cry?
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: Cry? I don't know. I don't know. I don't remember
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: the last No, I don't remember the last time I cried.
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, i've privacy now with Lion, I've cried.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: I've cried in my life. I don't know.
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: I can't, I cannot think of I'm trying to think of,
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: like the movies that I've seen late.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: Did you did you see the Bob Marley movie?
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: I did?
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: Did you cry?
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: No?
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: I did?
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: What part?
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: I cried a lot throughout that movie.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: Actually, I'm a huge Bob Marley fan me too, and
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: my like my daughter and I. When my daughter was
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: first born, you know, there was you know, the crying
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: right at the beginning, and we couldn't get her to
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: stop crying. So I started singing through little words to
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: her and she stopped. So that became this is like
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: she's a week old. Yeah, So that became my go
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: to when she would cry or when I would sing
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: that to her, and then we'd go on walks into
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: the stroller, I'd put my phone in and play Bob Marley.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: We still sing Bob Marley together and all that. So
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: throughout my you know, since I was a kid, Bob
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: Marley was a somebody that was a theme in my life.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: And so when I watched it, and I watched even
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: at the very beginning of the movie, I cried, you
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: know what I mean.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: It was crazy. I'm not at all.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: My daughter asked me, you know last year at Daddy,
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: how come I've never seen you cry? You know? And
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: I'm not really a crier, but that movie, knowing what
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: he was about and the fact that I was watching it,
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: it really hit me.
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: I maybe King Richard, that's kind of a long time ago,
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: but great movie though, yeah, maybe.
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: King Richard twenty twenty five World Series winner.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: Mmm.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: Uh, I think it's.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: I think the Dodgers are gonna have to be beat,
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's so hard not to say the Dodgers.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: It's hard not to say the Dodgers. I'm looking.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to be you know, edgy, edgy and find
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: somebody that I can think that can beat them.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: But they're gonna have to be beat.
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: They're just yeah, they're stacked, and they just they play
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: the game right, and you know, it's just they're one
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: of those juggernauts right now that I don't know that
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: you can really in a seven game series that you
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: can really hope to come out of it on top.
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, are you're true?
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: M What is your biggest irrational fear?
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: Biggest irrational fear? I have like a little touch of OCD.
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: So when I leave my house, they've seen me do
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: this too, and I leave the office, like I'll see
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: that they have locked the door, and I'll still walk over.
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: Like I just make sure that it's locked. I do
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: that all the.
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: Time, and I do it at home too, Like I
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: know if my door shuts, it's locked, Like if the
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: door shut.
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: It is now locked, and I still have to check it.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: On the way in here.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: Haley let me in in the front door, and right
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: we were about to walk, I said, you know what,
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: hold on, let me make sure I locked my car.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: And she had to walk me.
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: Back out your car.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's fair. Best meal in Los Angeles.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: Mm, this meal in Los Angeles, that's a that's a
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: big question.
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: I don't know if I can give mine because I
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: don't want to give away my spot. Everyone's gonna start
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: going there and no, you know, I'm gonna go keep
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: this one.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know that it's the best in Los Angeles,
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: but it's one of my favorites.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: Is Coli'S Jamaican food?
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: Like I said, there's a lot out here that and
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: I've been here for a long time, so I've had
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: a lot of good food here.
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: But how many years have you been in Los Angeles?
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: I got here in ninety seven, so almost thirty. Yeah,
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: that's solid almost as long as you've been alive.
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: That's very kind. But I'm a little old in thirty. Oh,
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: your turin.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: A habit that keeps you productive.
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: A habit that keeps me productive is I'm going to
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: always prioritize sleep like I gotta get sleep.
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: I can't function if I am tired.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: How many hours of sleep you get a night?
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: I like to get like eight hours of sleep? Do
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: you sometimes most of the time good sleeper.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: I've been struggling lately to get more than six even
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: when I can. For some reason, I will wake up
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: no matter what time I go to sleep, I'm gonna.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: Wake up at six thirty seven.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: And it's terrible because I used to be And you
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: know what I think it is. I think that the
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: light coming into my room in the morning is doing it.
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: So I've been thinking about getting blackout curtains because the
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: last time it was dangerous, and yeah, it'll have you sleeping.
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: It's a choice, don't. I purposely don't get them because
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: I'm I can sleep regardless because I know if I
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: have blackout shades, I'm never gonna know what time day
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: it is, and I'm cooked.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: The last time I was in New York filming, I
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: had no uh the apartment I stayed in the bedroom
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: was in the back and had no windows, so I
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: was sleeping eleven twelve hours a day when I had
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: days off, and it was it was glorious. It was
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: like and I got so it was for Run the
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: World where I was working out because I had to
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: be basically not basically absolutely naked on TV. And so
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: I got so shredded and I was like, why am
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: I getting so lean? And then I learned that sleep
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: if you're not getting set at least seven hours.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: But the you know eight.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: Ideally you're gonna you're losing gains and you're losing fat burning,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: like your your recovery and the gains and the fat burn.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the recovery part is the thing that people don't
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: pay attention to. It's like, you you can work out,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: you can do all the right things, but if your
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: body is not recovering, and you know this from being
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: an athlete, like you're not gonna you're not going to
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: be getting the most benefits out of everything that you did.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: Wait a minute, so you were naked on screen?
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not just like a few times.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: Over that, I mean, what was that like? It was
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: like the first time.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: Uh, the first time was in being Mary Jane and
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: it was.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: Did you have to wear the sock thing. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: you always wear the sock thing.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, you always wear the sock thing. You don't.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm a bit of a free spirit, so
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: it wasn't really a thing for me.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, and I've been working out, so
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, is it.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: Because you've been in the locker room for as long
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: as you have?
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: Maybe? Maybe? But I think I just am comfortable with
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: physicality and my you know, I'm comfortable with sexuality and
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not afraid to be as long as
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: I'm camera ready. You know, I worked this hard to
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: do it. Let's go ahead and knock it out. I mean,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: I'm not afraid of it.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: You weren't nervous at all.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: No, The only thing I was most nervous about was
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: making sure that whichever actress I was working with felt comfortable.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: And that was there my OCD started to kick in there,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: you know, any perceived discomfort.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: I was like, stop, I don't think she's comfortable, you
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: know what I mean?
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: And but I was Again, I wasn't nervous because I
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: knew what kind of shape I was in, you know
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And when you once and I say
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: this about people ask me about acting and they say,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: do you get nervous? And I say, well, I've hit
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: in front of twenty five thousand people with the game
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: on the line and won the game. Once you do that,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: once you bust through that threshold, there's no more nerve.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: Well for me, I think, what, I'm not nervous if
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: I'm prepared. So like to your point about you know,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: like what you look like that you've prepared for this
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: scene right then? I mean, I still think some people
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: would be nervous to be naked in front of a
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 4: bunch of people.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: But well, that's the other thing they don't when you're
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: doing those scenes, there's very few people in the room.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: Oh, they limit the amount of people on side.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: Then they make sure that all the crew and everybody
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: is out. They have the director and only the essentials
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: will be in the room during a love scene like that,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: at least in my experience.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: And they have like the intimacy coordinator, have.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: Intimacy coordinators, so it's all choreographed.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: You know, we have a rehearsal.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: Is it ever awkward?
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: There's been times where it was awkward where you have
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: to the scene calls for a bit of aggression and
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: you don't really much.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: You sort through how you're going to answer.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: You know, the little enthusiastic sex happening, and you don't
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: really you don't really fuck with the person like that, you.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: Know what I mean, And you don't.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: So you're really acting.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: You're really acting, and you know you're it's like you don't.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: There's there's that and and the fact that you don't
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: want them to think that because you're committed to your role,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: that you're trying to, yeah, do anything with them, like
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, It's like, yo, you know,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: don't get any ideas. I'm just doing this because it's
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: on the page, you know. So it can be it
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: can be awkward, it can be awkward if if but
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: you know, I've been fortunate that I've I've worked with
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: people who I was able to talk to and we
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: were able to have a respect and an easy, fun, professional,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: light relationships so that when we had to go there,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: it was like, all right, I'll see you on the
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: other side. And that was that.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: Most Wait is it your turn?
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: This is a good one. What is your underrated travel destination?
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: Underrated? I don't know.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 4: I feel like all the places that I like are
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: pretty solidly rated. Somewhere I like to know that people
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: don't really like to go. I love New Orleans. New
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 4: Orleans is a place that isn't necessarily for everybody. I
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: also like Vegas for one night, preferably less than twenty
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: four hours is ideal.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: Anything more than that and I'm probably not coming home.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: But New Orleans I really love because the food, the culture,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: the energy, the history, and I love live music. So
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: I really like New Orleans. But New Orleans is not
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: something a place that everybody really loves.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: Have you been to Kawhi Kawhi?
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: That's my.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: Is that underrated?
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: Most people don't know about it, not knowing about it,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: and so they don't They're not like, oh I'm gonna
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: go to I'm gonna go to Hawaii.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: I'm going to Kawai Now.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: They're you know, yeah Maui. Yeah.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: So it for me, it's extremely underrated because I had
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: the greatest time of my life there and that's my
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: favorite spot on the on the globe.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: Really yeah, I mean, I don't know.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: I think I travel a lot, so I every time
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: I'm like that person like this is my favorite. But
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: Hawaii is beautiful though, like it's it's completely understandable.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: When I went, I was shooting Lost and a buddy
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: of mine named Francis, who was Peter Berg's bodyguard and driver.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: I did a lot of films with Pete at the
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: beginning of my career, so I got to and we
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: were friends, so I was always an driving to set
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: with him. And you know, Francis lived on Kawhi and
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: I called him and I was like, hey, I just
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: got done shooting Loss. You should come over to Oahu
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: and hang out for a couple of days and you know,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: let's hang out. And he was like, no, no, no, no,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: you come here.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: He's like, you'll.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: Spend less on the round trip flight from a Wahu
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: to Hear than you will on one night at the hotel.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: I said, okay, I can stay with you.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: He's like, of course, And I said, okay, I'll come,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: but I got some conditions. I have to drink coconut
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: water out of a coconut that I crack. I have
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: to eat sugar cane off of a cane that I
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: chop out.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: Of the field.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: And I have to eat sushi off of a fish
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: that I catch. And he was like, we can do
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: that and all of that in the first day, and
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: we did, and I was just I mean, I'm your
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: adventure guy, a nature guy. Yeah, you know, I'm I
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: and I you know, I have pictures with myself holding
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: fifty pound tunas and you know I'm.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: Like that you is that your dating profile pictures?
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: Man?
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, dating profile.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 4: I feel like I feel like you have some regular headshots.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: I did see a good explanation for the fish pictures though,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 4: because most straight men do not have friends that are
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 4: going to take pictures for them, like by themselves. There's
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: usually group pictures like how often are you with like
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: your boys? And you're like, hey, man, like take a
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 4: pictures fit as fired never You're never doing that, whereas
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 4: I am getting a picture every fucking time I go anywhere.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: I'm getting fifteen of them.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: The best you're gonna get out of me is an
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: elevator picture.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: Like elevator picture, there's a mirror.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: Oh you're getting like this looks ud of dope, so
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: I'll click it.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: But yeah, so like those are the only pictures they
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 4: have by themselves. I'm holding the fish, yeah, or you.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: Know in a golf post, yes, you know, after hitting
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: a golf ball.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: I will have it.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: I will have him take that picture.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: I'm an ambassador for Travis Matthews, so a lot of
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: times I'm like, hey, take this shot so I can
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: post it and do that.
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  Speaker 2: Hold on, let's rewind.
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  Speaker 1: You said you feel like I have regular headshots on
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  Speaker 1: dating profile pictures.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, I've never been on any dating site
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  Speaker 2: in my life. But why would I use a headshot because.
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  Speaker 3: It's a gum shirt, it's a good picture. What picture
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  Speaker 3: would you use if you were on it? I wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: use one.
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  Speaker 4: In some parallel universe where you decided to go on
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  Speaker 4: a dating profile page, what you Why wouldn't you use
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  Speaker 4: the best picture that you have?
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  Speaker 1: I would, But I wouldn't use a headshot because that
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  Speaker 1: looks staged.
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  Speaker 2: I would.
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  Speaker 1: I would use the best candid shot that I had
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  Speaker 1: of myself.
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  Speaker 3: So you'd really want to present as as who I
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  Speaker 3: am authentic?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't want to be like, oh, look what
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  Speaker 1: I look like when they photo shot me and it's
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  Speaker 1: just got the perfect lighting and angle. No, this is
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  Speaker 1: this is who I am. The scars and everything that's good.
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  Speaker 1: You No, I like me, you know, I like the
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  Speaker 1: real person.
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  Speaker 2: That I am.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, but like it's not crazy that you wouldn't
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  Speaker 4: you would use your the best picture of you.
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  Speaker 2: The best real one. Yes, yeah, yeah, the best real one,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: the best.
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  Speaker 3: I'm saying, I don't think that's I don't think that
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  Speaker 3: would be corny if you did that. Yeah, it's corney.
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  Speaker 2: I think it would be.
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  Speaker 3: It's getna catfish.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you're.
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  Speaker 4: You're pupa pict I mean, is headshot shown be that
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  Speaker 4: far off from what he looks like? Oh?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair, that's true. That's a good point, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And plus it's it's it's like, did you get kind
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  Speaker 1: of like you're trying really hard, like you're putting a
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  Speaker 1: professional picture?
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  Speaker 2: Why not go to glamour shots and get that?
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  Speaker 3: I mean you are.
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  Speaker 4: You should be trying hard, well, you should. Enough men
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  Speaker 4: are trying hard, then need to try harder. That's that's
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  Speaker 4: my takeaway from that. I'm using the best picture ever.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 4: If I'm I have a dating profile, it's not good.
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  Speaker 1: It's not going to be difficult though, for you to
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  Speaker 1: find a great picture. I mean, you don't need to
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  Speaker 1: try hard anymore than I need to try hard. You
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  Speaker 1: just need to just be you, and people are gonna
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: flock as. I've watched your show and I hear about
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: your your dms.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 4: The jams are a nightmare. You know you never want
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 4: to look in there. I'll change your whole perspective on society.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: Some of some of the greatest players and uh performers
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: do it effortlessly. You know you don't need to try harder,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: you know, try easier.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 4: I still stand by men need to try harder. You're
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 4: not backing me off of that.
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  Speaker 3: Men need to try harder. And we've got to get
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: rid of the unwritten rules.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: You're the one that said you are salant.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm very schalanty.
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  Speaker 2: You were saying, don't be nonchalant.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: I'm chalan.
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  Speaker 4: Nonchalant's awful. Who wants nonchalant? Passive aggressive? Everything's fine?
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: Aggressive is the worst. I'm not passive aggressive. I'm aggressive aggressive.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: You know, if I got a problem, you're gonna know,
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  Speaker 1: and we're gonna get We're.
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  Speaker 2: Going to get to the boy.
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  Speaker 3: But do you know what I'm saying, like nonchalant is whack?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I could see that. I could see that.
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  Speaker 4: I mean you need to be stressed out about me
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  Speaker 4: a little bit. Yeah, yeah, why what else are you
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: supposed to be everything's cool, Like I don't call you
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: and it's just cool.
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  Speaker 3: That's fine.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: No, but I shouldn't need to be stressed out.
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  Speaker 4: Stress is stressed out is a relative storm. I'm not saying, like,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 4: I'm not talking about toxicity.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: How about attentive?
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 4: Yes, just don't be nonchalant, That's all I'm asking.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, if I find somebody that tells me that
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: they're coming at you, I'm going to tell them.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, don't be you do not be nonchalant.
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  Speaker 4: No, bring back, bring back yearning, longing, longing, Yes, recording.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, where are the poems?
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: The poems?
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: Where are the poems? Where is what I'm saying?
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 4: Like, you gotta be just serve like a little bit
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 4: of anxiety, like give you.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: But the butterflies and all. Yeah, and then what do
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: you do?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's just effortlessly be me? Right? Doesn't that
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  Speaker 3: what you say?
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: You don't think that men need to feel?
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: Now?
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  Speaker 4: I am very very attentive with men and very kind
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: and very sweet and give them all the attention that
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 4: they deserve. So if they are nonchalant, they're getting nonchalant joy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that would be fun.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: Nonchalant joy. Yeah, no, not very fun, not very fun.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: You seem like from watching you on your shows and
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: on your podcast, you seem like a very laid back person.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: So I think nonchalant joy would be really easy to
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: bring out if you're not stepping to the plate.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: Problem You think I seem laid back?
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: The way your voice, your tone, or your voice you
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: you you know, obviously you go hard sometimes, don't get
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: me wrong.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: I mean I've seen some of the segment.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: I like what you do on sports TV, by the way,
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: you think it's very knowledgeable about what you're talking about,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: and you're you know, you you've got good insight and
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: you go into detail and all that.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: But just you have a.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: Very matter of fact delivery a lot of times, and
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: it seems very laid back, very calm, and it seems
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: like if if you come with monotone energy in your direction,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: that you're just gonna get monotone energy. Yeah.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 4: I know, I'm a big energy matcher, Like, I'm not
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 4: going to pour different energy into someone that's not pouring
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: it back into me.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: Across the board?
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: Are you not typically just laid back and chill? Are
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: you hyper?
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: Ah? No, I'm not hyper.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 4: I would definitely not describe myself as hyper. But I
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 4: would like to end the propaganda that I'm cool.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: I'm not cool. I'm very mean. Why, I'm very very impatient.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: So why are you mean?
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 4: I don't don't. I want to end this this. Please
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 4: stop treating me like I'm cool. I'm not fucking cool.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: You're coolest ship.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: Now I'm not going with you to me because you
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: have to be.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 4: I am cool, but the people are taking advantage of
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 4: my coolness.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's a that's a problem.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: So that's why I'm saying, and the and the propaganda
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 4: about it.
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  Speaker 3: Marcous knows what we're talking about. This was great.
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  Speaker 2: October fifth at Old Memorial in Tampa.
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  Speaker 1: Uh yeah. It would be my third year, fourth year,
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  Speaker 2: It's a good time. Do golf at all.
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  Speaker 3: I can. I can go. I can go. I'm not good,
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  Speaker 3: I'm awful, but I can go.
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  Speaker 2: Hang to the range. You like to hit balls?
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: I mean terribly, but yeah, do you have clubs?
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  Speaker 1: No? Well maybe one day even Kenny and I'll go
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  Speaker 1: swing the golf.
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  Speaker 3: Is Kenny play golf?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm sure he does.
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  Speaker 1: Kenny my name for Kenny is the most interesting man
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  Speaker 1: in the world. Kenny has just about it.
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  Speaker 3: He does do everything. I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I have to text Kenny ask golfs. I don't think
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  Speaker 4: I've ever seen him golf. Kenny hoops.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know that.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: But I I would bet that he does golf.
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  Speaker 1: I bet that he at least can it can swing
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  Speaker 1: a club.
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  Speaker 3: Kenny Hamilton.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like just.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks so much for coming down.
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  Speaker 4: this week's question is how do I get over the
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 4: fear of rejection?
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  Speaker 3: So this is an interesting one. I think that.
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  Speaker 4: Rejection is something that can be very daunting for people,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 4: and it can feel very personal, and in some cases
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 4: it is personal. But rejection is something that every person
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 4: on the planet deals with. Now, obviously some people deal
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 4: with it less than others, but it is a common
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 4: experience for everyone. Everyone has to find a way to
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 4: deal with rejection. For me, I think I can textualize
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 4: the rejection in a way that can make sense, in
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  Speaker 4: a way that I can grieve the thing that is
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 4: rejecting me properly. So, for example, if I don't get
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 4: a job or a show, or you know, some sort
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 4: of professional experience that I am looking to get or
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 4: hoping to get, and I get rejected for it.
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  Speaker 3: It can still be upsetting. It can still.
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  Speaker 4: Feel like it's you and there's something that you need
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 4: to be better at, or there's something that you did wrong,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 4: and sometimes it might mean that you need to be
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 4: better at it, and sometimes it might mean nothing at all,
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  Speaker 4: like you have nothing to do with you. You just have
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: to find a healthy practice to deal with it. And
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  Speaker 4: I think it's okay to grieve something that has rejected you,
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  Speaker 4: whether it's a person or a relationship, a friendship, a job,
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  Speaker 4: any of those things. It's okay to be upset about
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  Speaker 4: the rejection, but it's not okay for it to internalize
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 4: into bitterness. And it's not okay for you to have
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 4: in you know, over the top or unnecessary or spiteful,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 4: hateful or toxic reaction to that rejection. Because everyone one
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  Speaker 4: is going to get rejected for something at some point
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: in their life.
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  Speaker 3: Getting over the fear.
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  Speaker 4: Of it is a process, and it includes you putting
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 4: yourself out there to get rejected. My biggest point I
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 4: would say is to try not to take everything so personal.
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  Speaker 4: Try to find the thing that you can improve on,
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  Speaker 4: and try to focus on the things that haven't rejected
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  Speaker 4: you and the things that are in your life that
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 4: are positive, so that you don't become bitter about the rejection.
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