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  Speaker 1: This is the reportment tonight another Albanizi government minister embarrasses
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  Speaker 1: himself by insulting veterans. And what the ABC didn't tell
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  Speaker 1: you about a supposed Israeli atrocity and how the Prime
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  Speaker 1: Minister made a dumb invitation to New Zealanders that has backfired,
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  Speaker 1: or so to know, Donald Trump now threatens the bomb
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  Speaker 1: even friendly ol Man as is war with Iran goes
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  Speaker 1: badly wrong. All that and more, including Matt Canavan. But
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  Speaker 1: first today, another fascinating example of Pauline Hanson setting the
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  Speaker 1: political agenda in a way the liberals just can't, and
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  Speaker 1: in doing so, exposing the shocking economic management of the
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  Speaker 1: Albanizi government. And when I say shocking, I don't exaggerate,
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  Speaker 1: not when this one government policy that Hanson has attacked
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  Speaker 1: has caused murders and mayhem and cost this billions of dollars,
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  Speaker 1: when it's even made criminals of more than a million Australians.
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  Speaker 1: So this is a big one. Hans in this morning
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  Speaker 1: slipped out this press release one nation to cut tobacco
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  Speaker 1: tax to smash organized crime. And when she means to
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  Speaker 1: cut that tobacco tax, she's not kidding. She wants the
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  Speaker 1: slash that tax on tobaccoo seventy five percent, and the
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  Speaker 1: result would be that the price of a packet of
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  Speaker 1: legal cigarettes would more than have to about twenty one
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  Speaker 1: twenty two dollars around that figure, maybe a bit more.
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  Speaker 1: And here's the point, that's close to the price of
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  Speaker 1: a packet of illegal cigarettes. So just that cut would
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  Speaker 1: make illegal cigarettes a high risk, low reward business and
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  Speaker 1: kill it if you add some more effective law enforcements
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  Speaker 1: as well. Now Hanson had two months ago promised the
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  Speaker 1: fifty percent cut to the ex's, but now things you know,
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  Speaker 1: seventy five percent cut. That'll work better and probably get
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  Speaker 1: more headlines as well. Now I saw one headline today
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  Speaker 1: imply that this was just Pauline having some crazy idea
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  Speaker 1: went up in smoke. Pauline Hans's wild plan for twenty
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  Speaker 1: two dollars a pack cigarettes. But no, I mean, far
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  Speaker 1: from being wild or reckless. It is so obviously the
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  Speaker 1: right thing to do that the color today looked slow
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  Speaker 1: and silly not proposing this first, but it dams the
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  Speaker 1: Albanezi government far more for having refused point plan for
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  Speaker 1: years to cut the x's are refused again today. Let
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  Speaker 1: me take you through this astonishing blunder. Governments, especially this one,
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  Speaker 1: have increased the tobacco XS again and again. Such a
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  Speaker 1: great cash cow, isn't it Increase it until the pack
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  Speaker 1: of cigarettes cost forty six dollars. Now I don't care,
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  Speaker 1: I don't smoke, I hate it. But for the poor
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  Speaker 1: that is far too expensive. And the blindingly obvious happened.
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  Speaker 1: Criminals moved in with legal cigarettes smuggling from overseas costing
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  Speaker 1: less than half the price. It was such a no
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  Speaker 1: brainer that eighty percent now of tobacco sold in Australia
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  Speaker 1: is illegal tobacco, not the legal stuff that the government taxes.
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  Speaker 1: But you can see very easily how this has destroyed
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  Speaker 1: the money the government was raking in from that excise,
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  Speaker 1: from more than fourteen billion dollars a year five years
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  Speaker 1: ago to the government to just four billion now ten
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  Speaker 1: billion a year wiped out from the budget. So you
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  Speaker 1: might ask who got those billions instead? The answer is
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  Speaker 1: organized criminals, Middle Eastern crime games especially. They moved in.
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  Speaker 1: They fired by shops that wouldn't sell their tobacco some
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  Speaker 1: two hundred shops so far, and their murdered rivals to
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  Speaker 1: get their business too. I mean, just this week, one
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  Speaker 1: alleged tobacco crime boss was shot outside his Melbourne home,
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  Speaker 1: fighting for his life. Now, but the fire bombings also
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  Speaker 1: killed one innocent young woman house sitting a brother's home.
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  Speaker 1: So this goverment for four years kept increasing a tobacco tax,
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  Speaker 1: even though that made cigarettes so unaffordable that their tax
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  Speaker 1: take was shredded and organized criminals made billions instead through
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  Speaker 1: a reign of terror in our streets, especially in Melbourne.
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  Speaker 2: Australians are sick and tired of the fire bombers, shootings
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  Speaker 2: and murders.
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  Speaker 3: Cut to tax smashed the black market.
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  Speaker 1: Now that linked the pauling hands and draws between the
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  Speaker 1: high excise and the high crime. I mean, really, it's
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  Speaker 1: so obvious that some state premiers, even the New South Wales,
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  Speaker 1: the labor one, I told the Albaniza government to wake
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  Speaker 1: up and cut that xcize. But ultimately this is all
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  Speaker 1: being driven by a federal government tax that is not working.
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  Speaker 4: Canberra's tax hikes have fueled the illegal tobacco market, and
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  Speaker 4: now it's time for Canberra to lower the tax hikes
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  Speaker 4: that are fueling it.
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  Speaker 1: Now, even Victoria's Labor government, you know how I worked.
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  Speaker 1: That is the natural home of health fascists. It's now
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  Speaker 1: asking the Albanizi government also to review its tobacco xys.
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  Speaker 1: But that's after a polit of course, showed most Victorians
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  Speaker 1: blamed it for turning their state into a criminal's playground.
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  Speaker 1: But Treasurer Jim Charmers, what a stubborn man. He has
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  Speaker 1: refused for years to see the obvious and stop the damage.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not convinced that cutting the excise on cigarettes would
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  Speaker 5: mean that that would be the end of illegal activity.
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  Speaker 1: Even today he couldn't smell the coffee. Treasury Charmers wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: dump his disastrous policy as if it really seemed to
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  Speaker 1: me it was more important for him to deny Hanson
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  Speaker 1: any credit, even for a brilliant idea, than to do
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  Speaker 1: Australia any good.
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  Speaker 5: Well, we acknowledge that there is a very substantial challenge
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  Speaker 5: when it comes to elicit tobacco. I've acknowledged that on
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  Speaker 5: a number of occasions before, and that's why we've provided
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  Speaker 5: more than three hundred and fifty million dollars in extra
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  Speaker 5: resources for the police and other authorities to support their
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  Speaker 5: work and to support the work of the states cracking down.
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  Speaker 5: The government's focus is on the compliance side, the enforcement
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  Speaker 5: side of this reduction. No, that's not something that we
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  Speaker 5: that's not something that we are proposing on.
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  Speaker 1: And on and on. You know, for four years he's
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  Speaker 1: been saying this sort of stuff and for four years
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  Speaker 1: it clearly hasn't worked. Maybe next that's the I mean, really,
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  Speaker 1: how blind and irresponsible must he be. Rowan Pike used
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  Speaker 1: to serve as a detective superintendent in the Australian Federal
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  Speaker 1: Police and the austrain Border Force. He was there too.
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  Speaker 1: He says, the evidence was slashing the exercise.
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  Speaker 6: It's just so clear, total agreement that there needs to
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  Speaker 6: be a cut of the excise. We need to take
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  Speaker 6: away the economic incentive for this crime, which has been
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  Speaker 6: devastating in the consequences far and wide, obvious to everyone
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  Speaker 6: in the street every day, and the only thing that's
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  Speaker 6: going to take it away is trying to bring some
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  Speaker 6: paralty between the legal and illegal markets.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, we've got history on our side. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you look at Canada, it slashed its own tobaccos back
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  Speaker 1: in the nineteen nineties after the legal tobacco trade. There
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  Speaker 1: cigarettes being smuggling from America because of the high excise
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  Speaker 1: in Canada. It led not just to grenade attacks even
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  Speaker 1: but to the a of a prominent gangster and former
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  Speaker 1: professional wrestler, Dino Bravo. For some reason that helped spur
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  Speaker 1: the government into action. The national and state government's cut
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  Speaker 1: tobacco x's and substates by sixty six percent in one
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  Speaker 1: as much as seventy one and yes it did work.
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  Speaker 1: Jim Chalmers state note it did help wipe out the
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  Speaker 1: smuggling games. So what's going to take for this Albanezi
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  Speaker 1: government to admit a mistake with the tobacco excis has
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  Speaker 1: caused a crime wave that's made billions for crime bosses
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  Speaker 1: while costing billions for taxpayers, and which by the way,
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  Speaker 1: has stempted a million Australians into breaking the law and
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  Speaker 1: buying something illegal. What does all that say about this government?
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  Speaker 1: But a lot of tension today to well, it was
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  Speaker 1: actually a nice speech. I've got to give them credit.
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  Speaker 1: A nice speech today by the Prime Minister Vietnam Veterans day.
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  Speaker 1: Are they listening to her? Thought? Hang on, who didn't
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  Speaker 1: support these veterans back then when it really mattered to all.
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  Speaker 7: Who are still with us, and in honor of the
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  Speaker 7: memories of those who are not we say what we
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  Speaker 7: should have been saying from the very beginning. We honor you,
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  Speaker 7: we respect you, we thank you, lest we forget.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I don't forget the sacrifice. But here's something else
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  Speaker 1: I don't forget. I don't forget how some unions, for instance,
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't supply our soldiers. How some leftist protesters called them
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  Speaker 1: baby killers and disrupted their parades. But yes, it was
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  Speaker 1: a nice speech from the Prime Minister, except yesterday his
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  Speaker 1: Veterans Affairs Minister Matt Kerr refused to make time for
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  Speaker 1: veterans who had come to Parliament to lobby against the
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  Speaker 1: government's new restrictions to subsidize healthcare for veterans, leading five
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  Speaker 1: of them to all out in protest. When Nationals MP
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  Speaker 1: Michael McCormick he had to challenge Ko about that, Why.
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  Speaker 2: Have you refused to meet them?
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  Speaker 1: Good question. Well, KA must have realized for all been
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  Speaker 1: told this was a terrible look. Fix it. An hour's
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  Speaker 1: later changed his mind met the veterans. But I tell
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  Speaker 1: you needed to bother. Because the veterans were even more
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  Speaker 1: offended by his attitude when they were finally allowed to
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  Speaker 1: see him.
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  Speaker 4: Minister Key was forced to have a meeting with us
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  Speaker 4: at five point thirty.
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  Speaker 8: It was obvious he.
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  Speaker 4: Did not want to be there. He even let us
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  Speaker 4: know that he was missing an appointment with the Governor General, which.
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  Speaker 3: He was very upset about.
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  Speaker 4: He walked into the room, refused to shake our hand,
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  Speaker 4: sat down with his arms crossed, and rolled his eyes.
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  Speaker 1: Kio seems to be quite unlucky. The more people get
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  Speaker 1: to see him, the more they don't like him. Well,
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  Speaker 1: Kier this afternoon, refuse to apologize.
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  Speaker 9: Minister, please apologize for disrespecting veterans by rolling his eyes
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  Speaker 9: at Australian heroes. I acknowledged that I got it wrong
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  Speaker 9: and not agreeing to meet with them last week when
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  Speaker 9: that initial request came in. I own that and I
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  Speaker 9: met with them, and I heard them the last night
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  Speaker 9: when I came into that room and I met with
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  Speaker 9: them and they were sitting down, I said, relax and
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  Speaker 9: I want to hear what you want to tell me.
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  Speaker 9: And I was very clear about listening to them. I
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  Speaker 9: don't agree with the characterization that you have just outlined.
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  Speaker 9: And I shook the hands of those people who attended
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  Speaker 9: that meeting as we finished that meeting to be clear.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me is mate. Tuesday regular Matt Canavan now the
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  Speaker 1: Nationals leader. Matt, great to see you speeches about honoring veterans. Well,
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  Speaker 1: they are easy actions though do mean more Matt Keo,
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  Speaker 1: whose performance not very good.
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  Speaker 3: Well, talk is cheap, Andrew.
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  Speaker 10: But the original sin here is that the minister wouldn't
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  Speaker 10: even talk to these veterans. They've come from all around Australia.
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  Speaker 10: I found out only on Monday morning that they were here,
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  Speaker 10: and I cleared time in my diary to go here
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  Speaker 10: from them for about fifteen minutes about their concerns about
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  Speaker 10: what the government has done, because, as you rightly say,
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  Speaker 10: what governments do is much more important than what they say.
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  Speaker 10: And what this government did in the budget a few
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  Speaker 10: months ago is inexplicably put in a cap on the
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  Speaker 10: health services that veterans can receive. I mean, I suppose
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  Speaker 10: it's an unwritten rule that when you sign up and
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  Speaker 10: sacrifice for a nation, you put on the uniform. When
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  Speaker 10: you retire, you have your health needs looked after.
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  Speaker 3: You're on a gold card for that.
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  Speaker 10: And this government's come along and just put a cap
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  Speaker 10: on those that put a five thousand dollars threshold on
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  Speaker 10: allied health services. That means things like physiotherapy, psychology, met
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  Speaker 10: mental health sessions and a lot of veterans in difficult
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  Speaker 10: circumstances go over that. I spoke to somebody there, Tim, Sorry,
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  Speaker 10: John John. This guy John a great guy. He said
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  Speaker 10: it took more than that cap to help him overcome
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  Speaker 10: some very difficult times in his life post leaving the service.
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  Speaker 10: And so I just beg his belief the minister wouldn't
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  Speaker 10: sit down and listen to this group of people. And then,
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  Speaker 10: as you've heard there, those veterans felt they were treated
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  Speaker 10: in a pretty dismissive way by the minister in that
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  Speaker 10: meeting that he eventually had only under pressure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think that's an easy thing to come
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  Speaker 1: back from. I mean, as you said, veterans put their
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  Speaker 1: life on the lane for the country and to be
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  Speaker 1: treated so shabbily, It's just I don't know that there's
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  Speaker 1: going to be many veterans that would have time for
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  Speaker 1: Matt Kios. I'm not sure where he goes from here,
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  Speaker 1: how he fixes that.
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  Speaker 11: Now.
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  Speaker 1: I've heard people say resign, be sacked. I'm not sure
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  Speaker 1: that ALBERNIZI would. He hasn't sacked the single minister yet.
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  Speaker 1: I think, you know, again, that's stubbornness. They refused to
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  Speaker 1: admit an error. Although you know mat of the labor
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  Speaker 1: right faction albnisues on the labor left, maybe they'll make
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  Speaker 1: an exception. I don't know what do you think should have.
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  Speaker 10: What they need to do, well, they just need to
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  Speaker 10: get rid of this cap. They should scrap that cap.
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  Speaker 10: That was the request from these veterans, and maybe the
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  Speaker 10: Minister's dismissed about it. Should will have a good outcome
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  Speaker 10: because I know today speaking some of the veterans early today,
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  Speaker 10: they have been able to meet.
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  Speaker 3: With the Primis's office.
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  Speaker 10: At least we were asking for the Primis to meet
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  Speaker 10: with them, but the PMO has met with them and
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  Speaker 10: at least their reports are that the Primis's office is
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  Speaker 10: open to potentially changing this. So that's what the Primis
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  Speaker 10: should do. In my view, it might be unfortunate for
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  Speaker 10: the Treasurer that these savings are gone, but I don't
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  Speaker 10: think the government should be seeking to make his budget
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  Speaker 10: add up on the pain and suffering of our veterans.
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  Speaker 1: Well. As you've indicated many times before, there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: bigger savings the government could make if you really wanted
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  Speaker 1: to crack down on waste Pauline Hanson's plan to slash
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  Speaker 1: the tobacco excize made me ask where's the opposition?
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  Speaker 10: Well, I'd also ask what is the one nation plan?
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  Speaker 10: Because two months earlier Andrew at the Press Club, at
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  Speaker 10: a considered speech that Pauline gave at the Press Club,
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  Speaker 10: she said she wanted to cut the XIS by fifty percent.
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  Speaker 10: Two months later, it's now seventy five percent. Yes, she
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  Speaker 10: put out a meta release today, but there are no
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  Speaker 10: costings associated with that. What we have been doing for
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  Speaker 10: the last few months since I've been leader is methodically
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  Speaker 10: working through what.
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  Speaker 3: We need to do here. Now we have said the excise.
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  Speaker 10: Clearly needs to be cut, but the level of that,
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  Speaker 10: what it will cost the budget needs to be worked through.
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  Speaker 10: So Mary Aldred, Richard Colbeck, and Pat Conahan, all colleagues
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  Speaker 10: of mine, have been going out consulting with the industry.
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  Speaker 10: We've been talking to them through our normal processes. We've
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  Speaker 10: got processes here right through Shadow Cabinet, we go through
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  Speaker 10: a Parliamentary Budget Office costing. There's a Senate inquiry that
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  Speaker 10: we led the charge on to report in a couple
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  Speaker 10: of weeks time, and after that we'll announce something that
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  Speaker 10: will stick Andrew. We won't be flip flopping and changing
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  Speaker 10: our plan. Within two months. We'll have something that you
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  Speaker 10: can trust will be in mened if we get into government.
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  Speaker 10: I just make one more point. I was told today
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  Speaker 10: by Senator Colback, who's been involved in those hearings, that
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  Speaker 10: one nation senators haven't turned up to any of the
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  Speaker 10: Senate hearings on this.
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  Speaker 3: Issue, and so you've got to do this work. You've
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  Speaker 3: got to get it right.
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  Speaker 10: And maybe not having done this work is the reason
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  Speaker 10: why Pauline's had a change of you in just a
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  Speaker 10: couple of months on the issue.
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  Speaker 1: That's it. She's had two policies on it and you've
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  Speaker 1: had none. I mean, all the talk is all very well,
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  Speaker 1: you can't none of us is talk.
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  Speaker 8: We're not.
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  Speaker 3: We're both of us, both groups. So people can't do
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  Speaker 3: this tomorrow.
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  Speaker 10: I mean, you know, okay, Paulie's put a met release out,
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  Speaker 10: but that's not going to cut the excise.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously.
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  Speaker 10: What we need to do is have a set of
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  Speaker 10: policies and plans ahead of the.
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  Speaker 3: Next election that we can implement.
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  Speaker 10: And as I said, our plans and policies will stay true,
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  Speaker 10: they'll be consistent, they'll be collaborative with groups that we
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  Speaker 10: talk to across Australia and therefore they'll also be costed
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  Speaker 10: as well. We'll get to the bottom how much they
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  Speaker 10: cost and we'll be able to add up to the
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  Speaker 10: isral people what all our plans will be. I've seen
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  Speaker 10: the last few days Andrew Andrew from one nation every
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  Speaker 10: day seems to be a new thought bubble and then
• 17:04
  Speaker 10: gets walked back by Barnaby. We saw they do not
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  Speaker 10: travel list, which doesn't seem to cover all countries that
• 17:10
  Speaker 10: are on the do not travel list. I mean would
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  Speaker 10: cover Ukraine for example, if it was actually what they
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  Speaker 10: announced on the weekend. They seem to walk that back.
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  Speaker 10: The super plans. They didn't seem to understand that we
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  Speaker 10: already are grounds to release your superannuation on capacitor grounds.
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  Speaker 1: And limited grounds. I accept that, but limited grounds, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Barnaby trying to clean that up.
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  Speaker 3: But you're right, yeah, that's right now.
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  Speaker 1: They are limited grounds. I had to look at them.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you've got to go through an amazing number
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  Speaker 1: of hoops and be at the mercy of some of
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  Speaker 1: the super funds in order to get some of your
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  Speaker 1: money back if you're in need.
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  Speaker 10: That's yeah, there is one avenue, but there's there's the
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  Speaker 10: ATO as well. But yeah, dollars, was I take your point,
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  Speaker 10: but I do take your points.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Matt Canavan, thank you so much
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  Speaker 1: indeed for your time. Really appreciated after the what the
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  Speaker 1: ABC didn't tell you about a mass funeral in Gaza
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  Speaker 1: claimed as evidence of Israel's savage war. You know what
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: really aggravates me about the ABC. Essentially it's aDNA thieves.
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  Speaker 1: It's taken taxpayers money meant to provide a service for
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  Speaker 1: all people of all brands of politics, but it's been
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  Speaker 1: stolen by the left to become a platform just for themselves.
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  Speaker 1: So I was struck by the arrogance of ABC presenter
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  Speaker 1: Sarah Ferguson when she was interviewed at the Logies on
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  Speaker 1: Sunday by a fanboy. And it was struck because I've
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  Speaker 1: been steaming about yet another example of the National broadcaster's
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  Speaker 1: bias that is feeding this mad hatred of Israel and
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  Speaker 1: from that, of course, of Jews.
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  Speaker 8: Why do you think it is that we trust the
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  Speaker 8: public broadcaster.
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  Speaker 1: So much because because we've always we've always done the
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  Speaker 1: right thing.
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  Speaker 3: We've always understood that's what our role.
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  Speaker 8: Is we really know what we're about.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Always done the right thing. I mean. This is from
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: the ABC presenter have presented a three part series pushing
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: totally fake news that Donald Trump colluded with Russia to
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Stealer's first election. That from a presenter of an ABC
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: that has pushed the great global warming scare. Oh, the
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: reef is dying. The painter of the innocent Cardinal George
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: pell As a pedophile that villified Gina Ronad the other
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: day in some sick, sadistic fantasy. And it's an ABC
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: that is now broadcast an astonishing story about a funeral
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: in Gaza. Cause brother as wicked Israelis. Listen carefully to
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: this extract and also watch who it quotes, because I'm
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: about to tell you what that reporter Matt Dorin did not.
• 19:51
  Speaker 12: A defined procession through the bomb down streets of Gaza City,
• 19:54
  Speaker 12: crowds shouting God is Great, seeking salvation for the many
• 19:58
  Speaker 12: lives lost from two extended Ghazan families. All there today
• 20:04
  Speaker 12: we're saying farewell to one hundred and twelve martyrs in
• 20:07
  Speaker 12: the largest funeral in the history of the Palestinian Cause.
• 20:11
  Speaker 12: Taking part in the procession the men who recovered them.
• 20:14
  Speaker 12: Gaza's Civil Defense Agency spent more than two weeks digging
• 20:18
  Speaker 12: through the concrete of a residential building which local authorities
• 20:21
  Speaker 12: say was hit in an Israeli strike in November twenty
• 20:24
  Speaker 12: twenty three, just over six weeks into the war, and.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: A limited the Higher rabaar.
• 20:29
  Speaker 13: Among the victims of forty four children, thirty seven women,
• 20:32
  Speaker 13: twenty nine men, seven elderly over seventy years old, nine
• 20:36
  Speaker 13: of special needs.
• 20:37
  Speaker 12: Laid to rest in an already crowded Gaza cemetery. A
• 20:40
  Speaker 12: dignity afforded to this group of Palestinians all the while
• 20:44
  Speaker 12: many others lay under the rubble.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Now here's what you weren't told when that building was
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: first bombed three years ago, reports in Gaza said, the
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: death that was actually ninety three, not one hundred and twelve.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Small difference, you might think. But more crucially, who were
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: these people? Now the ABC's Matt Door and he told
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: you there were just people from two extended families. That's
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: who those Israeli skilled, just two families. What it failed
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: to say that at least one of those families or
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: clans who include by the way, the first guy he interviewed,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: the first individual with the name al Shariyah, that is
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: behind the terrorist group called the Palestinian muja Hadden movement
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: which held Israeli hostages after that awful octob seven massacre,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: including the two Bibas boys who were eventually strangled by
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: this terrorists with their bare hands. In fact, there's Palestini
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: muja Hadden movement later included and put out a poster
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: of their so called martyrs, and they included bass Atia
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Abul Sharia who died in that bomb and called him
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: a founding martyr. Now you may think, nevertheless, the Israeli
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: strike was wrong, but shouldn't the ABC have at least
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: given viewers this context. He also saw Matt Doran quote
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Mahmud Basal, that's the second individual in his report, calling
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: him a spokesman for Gaza's civil defense. And he's the
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: one that said, oh, the dead included even special needs
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: children and children, children, children, which may be true, which
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: may not be true, because what Dorian didn't add was
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: that the Israeli Defense Force last year identified this same
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Basal as a Hamas operative, showing his name on a
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Hamas list of people that it had in its ranks.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: That the Israelis had captured in the war and hamas operatives.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: They do lie about Israel to defeat it in its
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: propaganda of war. For instance, this same basal claims that
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: total deaths in this strike are actually much higher because
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: some bodies have just disappeared. Some have he said, evaporated. Now,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: this evaporation thing was a popular hoax last year, used
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: to exaggerate is for our supposed crimes. As long as
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: it's got these weapons that make body, is this just evaporate?
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: In fact, the weapons of Israel users do not magically
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: make bodies evaporate. It's not possible. Joining me is Michael Danby,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: former Labor MP and former Chairman of the Joint Standing
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Committee on Foreign Affairs, FENS and Trade. Michael has studied
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: the ABC's coverage ever since we met the first time
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: nearly forty years ago when he was editor of the
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Australia Israel Reviewed. A very good editor too. Michael, thank
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: you so much for your time, Matt Dorian's report, your verdict.
• 23:44
  Speaker 13: Well, Andrew, thanks for having me and thanks for taking
• 23:46
  Speaker 13: this issue so seriously. Let's get to the heart of
• 23:50
  Speaker 13: what you just relate. The group that was bombed and
• 23:54
  Speaker 13: it's sad that people are killed in wars, some innocent civilians,
• 23:59
  Speaker 13: but the group that you identified that Matt Doran should
• 24:03
  Speaker 13: have told Australian taxpayers about strangled to infants to death,
• 24:10
  Speaker 13: those beautiful redheired Bibis boys, the four year old and
• 24:14
  Speaker 13: the eighteen month year old. Now don't you think Australians
• 24:19
  Speaker 13: would have had a more balanced view if Matt Doran
• 24:23
  Speaker 13: had told told people that that Mujahadin terrorist faction was
• 24:30
  Speaker 13: the people who did that. And what's happening, Andrew, is
• 24:34
  Speaker 13: that on all of the Hamas and Palaestian Islamic you
• 24:37
  Speaker 13: had websites, they are showing now who these health workers
• 24:43
  Speaker 13: and civil defense workers and others who were killed are
• 24:47
  Speaker 13: because they're claiming their martyrs for their own audience. They've
• 24:52
  Speaker 13: got past the Western propaganda that they were making about
• 24:56
  Speaker 13: these people health workers and innocent journalists through Al Jazeera
• 24:59
  Speaker 13: being killed, and they're actually picturing them in their military
• 25:03
  Speaker 13: uniforms and with their sniper rifles. So it's we've moved
• 25:08
  Speaker 13: to a different stage where they're exposing themselves, just as
• 25:12
  Speaker 13: they have with the fake famine in Gaza. Statistics that
• 25:16
  Speaker 13: now are much less than those in the terrible situation
• 25:19
  Speaker 13: in Sudan. I'd love it if the geniuses at the
• 25:25
  Speaker 13: ABC sent Matt Doran to report what's happening in Sudan.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Well, speaking of that, I mean just last October, the
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: ABC reported as fact that more than fifty four thousand
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: children in Gaza were acutely malnourished. Yet this month, and
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: you know, I ran lots of grabs showing really showing
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: healthy people and blah blah, and people that have been
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: a child that have been suffered a genital genital a
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: genetic a genetic sickness disability that was being presented as
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: has the result of starvation. But this month UNISEF published
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: a survey admitting that children in Gaza actually had among
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: the lowest rates of malnutrition shown in green in the
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Middle East. It is lower than children in Egypt, in Jordan,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: in Syria, in Iraq, in Iran, in Saudi Arabia, I
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: mean starvation, mass starvation. What is the ABC said about that,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Michael or is starving children not interesting? If they can't
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: be blamed on Israel.
• 26:44
  Speaker 13: But they first of all never show that map on
• 26:47
  Speaker 13: the ABC. This is from UNISEF statistics about malnutrition in
• 26:52
  Speaker 13: the Middle East. They will never show it. Matt Douran
• 26:55
  Speaker 13: will never explain it. John Lyons will never explain it,
• 26:58
  Speaker 13: but it typical of their modus operandi. Henry Ergus, in
• 27:04
  Speaker 13: a wonderful speech to the Sydney Institute the other day,
• 27:07
  Speaker 13: explained that there was asked that there have been a
• 27:10
  Speaker 13: thousand complaints to the ABC onwardsmen, and there has never
• 27:15
  Speaker 13: been a correction issued by the ABC. So if you
• 27:19
  Speaker 13: complained about these kind of things directly to them, and
• 27:22
  Speaker 13: I have since long as long as we've known each other,
• 27:25
  Speaker 13: Andrew I even got Kim Beasley to institute an independent
• 27:29
  Speaker 13: complaints review tribune on all which the ABC, of course
• 27:32
  Speaker 13: in the ensuing time have completely balderized. But the point
• 27:35
  Speaker 13: is is that they will never admit to these things.
• 27:38
  Speaker 13: As Ergos Whittley observed, they must be the only human
• 27:41
  Speaker 13: agency in Australia that have never made a mistake.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. I think Albinizi runs an officer
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: that says this makes the same claim. But there you go.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Michael Danby, thank you very much for your time after
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: the great Sean Spencer and his old Bostonald Trump and
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: why he he didn't dare go out when he worked
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: for Trump I got to tell you some bad news
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: from Iran. It's actually winning the war with the United States.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: It's also leaving the US weaker and more isolated under
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: a president now lashing out in unpredictable ways. I mean,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: the US is so badly bungled as Donald Trump has.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: It is two months since President Donald Trump made a
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: big show of signing a peace memorandum with Iran, interrupting
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: his dinner with the French president Versailles Palace, cameras rolling.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: You see, let me hold the attention. Well, I tell
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: you what. That ceased fire was a big mistake. The
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: US and Israel had their foot on he RAN's throat,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: but Trump lifted it. It got spooked by the rising
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: oil prices. The memorandum was meant to give the US
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: and he Ran sixty days of breathing space and negotiated
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: a deal, peace deal to again let oil tankers sailed
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: freely through the Strait of a Moor's and also to
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: end Iran's nuclear weapons program. Those sixty days expired yesterday
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: with no deal on either of those two critical fronts,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: and the regime of course still in place. But worse,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: I mean much worse, Trump thought or hoped that those
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: sixty days would be used to work for peace. But
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Iran used those sixty days to work for or it
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: changed from defense to offense. A major Wall Street Journal
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: investigation yesterday said interceptive communications and intelligence gathered by Arab
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: governments show Iran's hardline leaders ramped up production of missiles
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: and drones. For instance, they made their missiles more accurate,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: which we saw in that lethal attack on a US
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: base in Jordan that killed the three soldiers of three
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: American ones. Now it also let neighboring countries like Saudi
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Arabia no. He now had better targeting of their ports
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: and their power stations, and Iran had plans to hit
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: them if America tried anything, and it had plans to
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: cut their undersea cables. So it runs militaryt Islamic Revolutionary
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Guard called meanwhile Tartan script of the regular military, and
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: on and on and went. But just this week, in fact,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Iran offered a reward of thirty thousand dollars US for
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: the murder of American soldiers. It's not interested in peace
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: at all. Iran censors weakness, Trump's weakness, and the more
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: weaknesses sends sensors, the more aggressive. It gets it senses
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: that he desperately wants this war to end, not start again,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: and if it does resume, the US will do nothing
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: to force around his leadership to surrender. Sanctions arounds leaders
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: that don't care, and the US will not. They invade
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: by land. It doesn't dare. Trump's allies in the Gulf
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: sense Trump is weak, so weak that they can't depend
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: on him to rescue them from Iran, which is why
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Saudi Arabi last week started to join defense agreement with
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Turkey and Pakistan, showing now needs more allies than just Trump.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: And no surprise. You look at Trump yesterday ordered the
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: US to scale back this military exercise with South Korea
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: because that might upset the dictator of North Korea, Kim
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Jong un, who Trump said it showed him respect.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: And you respond to those folks who say that you
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: are prioritizing the interest of adversaries in North three are
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: over our longtime partners.
• 31:31
  Speaker 7: By scale, I'm making it much safer, you see, I'm
• 31:36
  Speaker 7: actually making it much safer.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Kim Jong onun has always treated me with great respect,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: and now Trump has even threatened and I please excuse
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: the language, to bomb the shit out of Oman if
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: it goes ahead with its own deal to share the
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: straight up onmoves with Iran, a deal that cuts out
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump. You see where this is going. The US
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: under Trump is being seen even by his ally, this
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: is unreliable, even running out of ammunition, and Iran back
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: by Russia and China. They are sadly look unbeatable, at
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: least by the US. What a disaster for the US.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Joining me's Tuesday is Sean Spice. It Donal Trump's first
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: White House spokesman. I talked to him a short while ago.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Sean Spicer, always great to see you, look, but this
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: time I got to say, I'm not going to kid you, Sean,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump is losing this war. Then again, that's my opinion.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Tell me why it's not actually going as bad as
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: it looks.
• 32:34
  Speaker 11: Well, Look, I would like to see this thing, and
• 32:37
  Speaker 11: for a variety of reasons, sooner rather than later.
• 32:39
  Speaker 8: In fact, I mean a political front.
• 32:41
  Speaker 11: This is not something that we want to spend the
• 32:43
  Speaker 11: final eighty days talking about Number one, number two. From
• 32:46
  Speaker 11: an economic front, I don't think that this is helping
• 32:51
  Speaker 11: Number three on the national security threat, which is why
• 32:55
  Speaker 11: we went in.
• 32:56
  Speaker 8: You know, I have been a big proponent.
• 32:58
  Speaker 11: I think you and I've talked about this that I
• 33:00
  Speaker 11: think we need to go in and finish.
• 33:01
  Speaker 8: The job now.
• 33:02
  Speaker 11: I do think the economic pain that our Ran is
• 33:05
  Speaker 11: feeling is very, very real. But we need to show
• 33:08
  Speaker 11: not just our Ran but the rest of the world
• 33:10
  Speaker 11: that our military might will follow up when we have
• 33:12
  Speaker 11: a mission. I think we very well did that in Venezuela.
• 33:16
  Speaker 11: Obviously this is a very different kind of mission. But
• 33:19
  Speaker 11: now we're having internal domestic concerns about the status of
• 33:23
  Speaker 11: some of our navy and the sailors that are aboard
• 33:25
  Speaker 11: these shifts ships that have been going now for record deployment.
• 33:29
  Speaker 8: So this is not where I would want us to be.
• 33:32
  Speaker 11: In fact, if you go back several months, I said
• 33:34
  Speaker 11: it would be great if we could have this all
• 33:35
  Speaker 11: wrapped up by May.
• 33:37
  Speaker 8: We're well past that deadline.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: What do you think is going to happen? I mean,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: the memorandum that Trump signed with Iran gave sixty days
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: to negotiate peace, to cease fire until then. Sixty days
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: were up yesterday, no d il Now what, Well.
• 33:53
  Speaker 8: That's the million dollar question.
• 33:54
  Speaker 11: I mean, it's in neither of our best interests to
• 33:57
  Speaker 11: continue to fight. There are some efforts, I know, to
• 34:01
  Speaker 11: reopen the straight while things go on. I feel like
• 34:04
  Speaker 11: we're at the stalemate. This is like, you know, the
• 34:07
  Speaker 11: Korean War all over again, where maybe it's just a
• 34:09
  Speaker 11: detente that we have for a while. But I think
• 34:13
  Speaker 11: I've said this before to you, Andrew, and I'll be clear.
• 34:15
  Speaker 11: I think if you're a RAN, you basically realize that
• 34:20
  Speaker 11: after the election, Donald Trump is gonna he doesn't care anymore.
• 34:23
  Speaker 11: He's he has been ungaged. He will go full on
• 34:26
  Speaker 11: these guys. So I think it's and I RAN's best
• 34:29
  Speaker 11: interest if they to they see the light and to
• 34:32
  Speaker 11: try to get a deal that at least is lets them,
• 34:35
  Speaker 11: you know, fight another day, because right now I think
• 34:37
  Speaker 11: Trump's gonna buy as much time as he can to
• 34:39
  Speaker 11: get past the November third elections and then just go
• 34:42
  Speaker 11: full full, uh, you know, unleash everything on him.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, I suspect you're absolutely right, Sean. Carolyn livit
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Is announced she she was quitting after two years of
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: White House Press secretary. She did a hill of the jobs,
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: especially for some in a twenties, it's unbelievable. It's a
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: really difficult job. You did it. You were the first
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: that you had that idiot Anthony scarimage to what was
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: that six or seven days before he was fired, So
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: a little unforgiving. I tell you that job, who do
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: you think will replace Caroly Leavitt? And what are they
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: looking for?
• 35:23
  Speaker 11: So I'll give you three things that I'll predict. One
• 35:26
  Speaker 11: is I don't think they're in a huge hurry right now.
• 35:29
  Speaker 11: The President watched his team very adeptly handle that area
• 35:33
  Speaker 11: during the during her mattorney leave. Although I do caution folks,
• 35:37
  Speaker 11: I tell people all the time the briefing is like
• 35:39
  Speaker 11: fifteen percent of the job. Unfortunately, it's the most visible
• 35:41
  Speaker 11: part and that's what people see and get attracted to
• 35:43
  Speaker 11: or not. There is so much more to that job
• 35:46
  Speaker 11: that goes on behind the scenes.
• 35:48
  Speaker 8: That's number one.
• 35:49
  Speaker 11: Though I don't think they are going to be rushing
• 35:51
  Speaker 11: into this too. I think the person that ultimately has
• 35:54
  Speaker 11: gets named for this position will have had a pre
• 35:56
  Speaker 11: existing relationship. The President's learned through five press secretaries that
• 36:00
  Speaker 11: this is a position that he cares a lot about,
• 36:02
  Speaker 11: but he needs to make sure that that person understands
• 36:04
  Speaker 11: his voice and has a relationship with him.
• 36:06
  Speaker 8: In three, I've got to believe.
• 36:08
  Speaker 11: That if it isn't Jason Miller, and I don't think
• 36:10
  Speaker 11: it will be that it's not going to be a man,
• 36:12
  Speaker 11: and I think he has shown since I led that
• 36:15
  Speaker 11: first effort that it's all been women, and my guess
• 36:19
  Speaker 11: is that that pattern continues.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Did you actually enjoyed the job.
• 36:27
  Speaker 8: I did? There were some days.
• 36:28
  Speaker 11: I mean, look, there were some amazing days, some opportunities
• 36:31
  Speaker 11: that as a son of a working class guy from
• 36:34
  Speaker 11: Rhode Island, the idea that I was feet from the
• 36:37
  Speaker 11: Oval Office, meeting some of the most powerful people in
• 36:40
  Speaker 11: the world and part of some of the decision making
• 36:42
  Speaker 11: that moved our country, and I think a very positive way.
• 36:45
  Speaker 11: That was just an enormous, enormous honor to have. But
• 36:48
  Speaker 11: there's no question about if that is the most intense
• 36:52
  Speaker 11: job I will ever ever have. And I've spent twenty
• 36:55
  Speaker 11: seven years in the military. I was the assistant US
• 36:57
  Speaker 11: Trade rep. Like, there is nothing like that job that
• 37:01
  Speaker 11: compares to it, because you are so public, the scrutiny,
• 37:05
  Speaker 11: the intensity is like nothing else, and when I try
• 37:08
  Speaker 11: to describe it to people Andrew, there's no comparison that
• 37:12
  Speaker 11: I can give. I've talked to people who come into
• 37:14
  Speaker 11: the White House and senior positions and I've tried to
• 37:16
  Speaker 11: explain to them what life is like at the most
• 37:18
  Speaker 11: senior levels of Trump world, and they all say, oh,
• 37:20
  Speaker 11: I get it, I get it, I've seen this. But
• 37:22
  Speaker 11: until you experience it, it's like trying to describe the
• 37:26
  Speaker 11: most scary rollercoaster to somebody and it's you can probably
• 37:29
  Speaker 11: do it a little bit of justice, but until you
• 37:31
  Speaker 11: get on that ride and ride it for yourself, it's
• 37:33
  Speaker 11: very hard to explain it to somebody else.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Plus, of course, the one word that you missed there
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: was hatred the press core hatred, particularly with Trump's first appearance.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: That must have been something hellish to deal with.
• 37:53
  Speaker 8: During the time.
• 37:53
  Speaker 11: But also I wrote about this in my first book,
• 37:55
  Speaker 11: like I never went out in public, and when I did,
• 37:58
  Speaker 11: the few times that I did, it didn't go very well.
• 38:01
  Speaker 8: So it was sort of, when I say.
• 38:03
  Speaker 11: Intense, the idea of knowing that you can't go to
• 38:05
  Speaker 11: the grocery store without getting personally attacked, without having your
• 38:09
  Speaker 11: family feel like that they were unsafe if you tried
• 38:12
  Speaker 11: to go to dinner. So we had a very very
• 38:14
  Speaker 11: limited public schedule when I was in office and for
• 38:18
  Speaker 11: several months afterwards. That's just not a good place to be,
• 38:21
  Speaker 11: especially in my case, I had young children and you know,
• 38:24
  Speaker 11: so I was glad to put that chapter behind us.
• 38:27
  Speaker 11: One of the things that doesn't get talked about a lot,
• 38:29
  Speaker 11: and I don't mean to cause you know, highlight it
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  Speaker 11: is most of the folks now in the Trump White
• 38:33
  Speaker 11: House at the senior levels have Secret Service protection. And
• 38:36
  Speaker 11: that's just ridiculous that that's where we are in government
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  Speaker 11: today in our country.
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  Speaker 8: But it's just it is what it is.
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  Speaker 1: That's sad, and increasingly it's coming here. I've got to say,
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  Speaker 1: Sean Spicer, thank you very much for your time.
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  Speaker 8: You bet Andrew have a great week after the break.
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  Speaker 1: Anthony, I an easy made New Zealand. Theer's an offer
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: they couldn't refuse, and now we're paying for it. You know,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: when you go through the list of the complete list
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: of astonishing mistakes the Albaniza governor has made, it really
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: is astonishing. Right. It's the electricity bills it said would
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: go up, I'll go down, actually went up. Of course,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: the tobacco tax already talked about that crime wave created,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: the inflation it said was beating, actually went up again.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: It said it would make you better off your pourer
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: on it goes the Here's another three years ago, Anthony
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  Speaker 1: Albanezi offered New Zealanders easier access the citizenship here and
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: to benefits now, Jana said his press conference in New Zealand.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: One back then, did you try to warn him there
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: might actually be not thousands more New Zealanders grabbing this chance,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: but tens of thousands citizenship?
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: Did you speak thousands and thousands of kyleings to take the.
• 40:02
  Speaker 7: Fuff on the second big first, they have already burned thousands,
• 40:09
  Speaker 7: take up more than ten thousand, and I expect that
• 40:12
  Speaker 7: there will be many thousands more. Making it easier is
• 40:17
  Speaker 7: the right thing to do.
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  Speaker 11: Well.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: In fact, we read today that our own immigration department
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: always trying to warn al an easy back then that
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: this could get out of hand. And guess what it did.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Immigration from New Zealand left from eight thousand migrating each
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: year to around thirty eight thousand, and a big part
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: of the explosion and immigration that is that the governments
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: since battled to control and joining me. Amirschlich, executive director
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: of the Samuel Griff Socati and economist, writer and analyst
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: Harik Brooker, who writes a macro business Yahoo Finance and
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: burnout economics. MIA is just for you and insight into
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: the government's failures. You know, the big feel good announcements
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: and none of the consequences thought through exactly.
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  Speaker 14: Look, the Albanezi government is all about spin. They're all
• 41:08
  Speaker 14: about sending a message that makes voters feel good. And
• 41:11
  Speaker 14: there is a method to that, because we do know
• 41:14
  Speaker 14: that when voters go to vote on voting day they
• 41:16
  Speaker 14: vote on feelings rather than facts. But the problem with
• 41:20
  Speaker 14: this method from the Albanese government is that eventually the
• 41:23
  Speaker 14: lived reality of voters will catch up and they will
• 41:26
  Speaker 14: be able to cut through that spin and see through
• 41:28
  Speaker 14: the lies. And the migration policy is being peddled by
• 41:32
  Speaker 14: this Albanzi government are a perfect example of that. Yes,
• 41:35
  Speaker 14: it sounds like a fantastic policy and it makes us
• 41:37
  Speaker 14: feel good that we could let an unlimited number of
• 41:40
  Speaker 14: people into this country and we could all bask in
• 41:42
  Speaker 14: the greatness of Australia together. But then there is the
• 41:45
  Speaker 14: reality that an out of control my get gration program
• 41:48
  Speaker 14: will lead to worse outcomes for anyone here in Australia,
• 41:51
  Speaker 14: whether they were born here or whether whether they have
• 41:54
  Speaker 14: newly arrived. And that's because social and economic infrastructure in
• 41:58
  Speaker 14: reality cannot. So I think this example of what's happened
• 42:02
  Speaker 14: with the New Zealand migration deal is a perfect example
• 42:05
  Speaker 14: of that spin that whilst it might sound fantastic on paper,
• 42:10
  Speaker 14: the reality is very different.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: You know, we want to go to New Zealand. I
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: think this is so beautiful. Why would anyone want to leave?
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: But I guess when you've got a great big pile
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: of Australian welfare benefits just across the water, yeah, you're
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: going to get a crowd wanting them too.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: Well, it's got to be a pretty appealing sort of
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: set of circumstances for Kiwi's You know, you look at
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: the differential between Australian and key we unemployment, the differential
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: between wages and earnings, and Australia's a.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: Pretty demn attractive place to be.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: And I think it's just worth noting that it's not
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: just people who were born in New Zealand who are
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: taking advantage of this particular policy. I'm just going to
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: read you a little piece here from the KIWI Foreign Minister,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Winston Peters, and he said, almost half of the citizens
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: applying for Australian citizenship last year, we're not born here
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: New Zealand. New Zealand is being used as a stepping
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: stone into Australia. We take them in, the migrants, train
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: them up, upskill them, look after their families and then
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: they emigrate to Australia. How is this an effective immigration policy?
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: And we've just got a little graphic here on the
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: on the number of New Zealanders being conferred with Australian citizenship. Now,
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: as you can see when in the black there, we've
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: got the pre Orbaneze government period from before they made
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: the changes to make it more attractive and more easy
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: to get Australian citizenship. And as you can see that
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: since the Aubanezi government made the changes, it has absolutely rocketed.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: And it's just a little interesting little tidbit about this.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: As Kiwi's move off the temporary visa list and into permanent,
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: into permanent, into into becoming an Australian citizen, they no
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: longer count as part of the temporary visa wold account,
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: so that is also just.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: Masking discretion.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: So we are so we are so naive. I can't
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: believe it talking about feel good gestures, Mia, I mean
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: you had climate change, mister Chris Bowen. Right, he had
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: a feel good move of his own, a climate conference
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: organized by you know, his own idea, I believe, in
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Fiji ahead of the big UN Climate conference in Turkey
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: at the end of the year. This was supposedly, you know,
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: built up a in gender or something because Bowen is
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: going to be President of negotiations. Problem world leaders wouldn't
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: go to this conference, which is costing Australian's twenty million dollars.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Now it's inviting some union officials specific he bumped into
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: invited them to fill the seats. Is paid for with
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: our money. Seems an awful waste of that money. Mia.
• 44:53
  Speaker 14: This is a huge slap in the face for taxpayers.
• 44:55
  Speaker 8: Andrew.
• 44:56
  Speaker 14: I do not know how this twenty million dollars can
• 44:59
  Speaker 14: be justified. The only justification that I could maybe see
• 45:02
  Speaker 14: from the Albanese government is that he thinks is that
• 45:04
  Speaker 14: if we send Bowen as far away from Australia as
• 45:07
  Speaker 14: possible and keep him occupied, and we might keep him
• 45:09
  Speaker 14: from wrecking things here in the country. Because we know
• 45:12
  Speaker 14: that the more Bowen speaks here in Australia, the worse
• 45:15
  Speaker 14: it gets to the Albanese government. And that's why during
• 45:17
  Speaker 14: the federal election campaign last year. They basically kept him
• 45:20
  Speaker 14: in a cluboard and refused to let him talk. And
• 45:22
  Speaker 14: I have a feeling of similar situations going on now
• 45:25
  Speaker 14: with Bowen being overseas all the time. And we've seen
• 45:27
  Speaker 14: that with his flight expenses where it came out that
• 45:30
  Speaker 14: he spent more than fifty thousand dollars on flights per week.
• 45:34
  Speaker 14: And it's funny because that was justified by his team
• 45:37
  Speaker 14: as saying that this was necessary, all this travel to
• 45:40
  Speaker 14: build up relationships with other world leaders. Well, now where
• 45:43
  Speaker 14: are the world leaders? The seats are empty. It just
• 45:45
  Speaker 14: doesn't make any sense.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: And don't forget he also haired offered seats at the
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Turkey Climate Conference to people who were young people, all
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: unrepresented groups Aborigines if they could come, and I guess
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: be his you know, his tame applause for when he
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: stands up there. It's got some friendly Australians and that's
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: paid for by us too. What did you make of
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: all this? Said Trek, I mean this holding a pre
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: conference conference that no one actually wants to go to
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: and spending twenty million dollars of our money on it.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: Well, it's it's kind of a bit on brand at
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: this stage, isn't it just you know, the money going
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: out the dwarf for not a whole for not a
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: whole great deal of value. But I think it's just
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: indicative of just where we're at more broadly, just globally
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: on the issue of climate change. It's really becoming a
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: lot harder for governments to sell, to sell these policies,
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: to sell net zero, and that is really that's really
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: complicating things. And not only that, but with everything with
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: the war in Iran, you know, the issue of energy
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: security increasingly taking you know, precedents in places like India
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: and China and the rest of the developing world. It's
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: getting a whole lot harder for these leaders to go
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: out there and justify these things. So it's a pretty
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: challenging environment for poor old Chris Bowen.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: Noh no, he doesn't have the audience that he crave.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: Matt Keo, the Minister of Veterans Affairs. You know, this
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: is a bloke who cut funding to the Beard family
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: who are going around visiting schools to tell about their
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: son who died in combat in Afghanistan, got the Victoria Cross.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: Now is his held to veterans wanting to talk to
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: him about apparent limits to health programs, at first not
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: wanting to meet them, then treating them with disrespect. They say,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is going up to the job. It's
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: not a little asue.
• 47:36
  Speaker 14: I don't see how he can stain this position. It's
• 47:39
  Speaker 14: completely it's completely untenable, and I think that Urburan Easy
• 47:42
  Speaker 14: needs to show some leadership here and set a standard
• 47:46
  Speaker 14: for his ministers and move him along. He cannot stay
• 47:49
  Speaker 14: in this role. And I think there's been some nonsense
• 47:52
  Speaker 14: now being spread about how he's going to draft some
• 47:54
  Speaker 14: paper about a new consultancy agreement to make sure these
• 47:57
  Speaker 14: misunderstandings don't happen again. It's your job as a minister
• 48:00
  Speaker 14: to consult I don't understand where the confusion is here
• 48:04
  Speaker 14: and why we now need to start pushing more paper
• 48:06
  Speaker 14: around to make sure that something as insulting as has
• 48:09
  Speaker 14: occurred in this scenario doesn't happen again.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: You think it was all caused by an absence of
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: a piece of paper that said don't be rude to
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: your guests. Gosh, what don't they have to be told?
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, measually, Terry Rook, thank you so much,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: indeed for your time really appreciated. Up next is the
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: excellent Sherry Marxon, but for me it's good night.