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Joe Rogan Experience _2528 - Cassie Coppersmith · Luke's English Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Check it out the Joe Regan Experience Train by Day, Joe.
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  Speaker 3: Rogan Podcast by Night, All Day.
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  Speaker 1: Great, how are you doing?
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  Speaker 3: Very nice to meet you.
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  Speaker 1: Nice to meet you.
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  Speaker 3: I've enjoyed your content online.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: The first I got first introduced to you by a
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  Speaker 3: video you did with is Channel's Megalithic Marvels. Yes. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and it was about ancient Chinese artifacts that don't make
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  Speaker 3: any sense. Yes, and it was so fascinating. The moment
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  Speaker 3: I thought I reached out to my guy, I was like,
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  Speaker 3: I got to talk to her because this is crazy.
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  Speaker 3: So please explain to people what these artifacts are and
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  Speaker 3: what's so bizarre about them.
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  Speaker 1: I first saw these artifacts in the British Museum, so
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  Speaker 1: they have an entire whole wall full of them, and
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  Speaker 1: they're they're made of nephrite jade, which is an extremely
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  Speaker 1: hard stone, and they just look they look machined, they
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  Speaker 1: look way too precise for the tools that they say
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  Speaker 1: built them. So I started doing some research. I haven't
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  Speaker 1: been to the site in China. It was built by
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  Speaker 1: the Langzhu culture, so archaeologists say. But it's a two
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  Speaker 1: different kinds of artifacts that are really famous. One is
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  Speaker 1: called a sung tube, which is a tall tube that's
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  Speaker 1: circular in the middle and square on the outside, and
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  Speaker 1: extremely precise geometry. The other one of these big round
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  Speaker 1: b discs that almost look like a giant flat doughnut
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  Speaker 1: that are perfectly flat on top. You know, there's the
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  Speaker 1: precision versions of these, just like you see all over
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  Speaker 1: the world, and there are versions that are much cruder.
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  Speaker 1: So it almost seems like the civilization had this. My
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  Speaker 1: theory is that these were not unlike the hardstone bases
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  Speaker 1: in Egypt. So it was something that this culture either
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  Speaker 1: was gifted or found and it turned into a very
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  Speaker 1: cherished object like a grave good for them. So you
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  Speaker 1: find these tombs in Langzhu, China that have literally thousands
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  Speaker 1: of these jade artifacts in them, and it's not unlike
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  Speaker 1: the hardstone bases that you see in Egypt where you
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  Speaker 1: find those in the grapes as well.
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  Speaker 3: So what was the timeline where these pieces are attributed to?
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  Speaker 1: So these are really old. I mean, the earthworks and
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  Speaker 1: the the community around the Liangzhu culture is securely dated
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  Speaker 1: by archaeologists to like thirty four hundred BC. And then
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  Speaker 1: you know, just so it's about the same actually as
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  Speaker 1: the graves that were in Egypt with the hardstone bases.
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  Speaker 1: So it's very very old.
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  Speaker 3: And at the time of this culture, what were their
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  Speaker 3: tools like do we know?
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  Speaker 1: Well, the archaeologists say that it were that it was
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  Speaker 1: made with strings, So they would take strings with sand
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  Speaker 1: or some sort of an abrasive and they would cut
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  Speaker 1: the jade that way, and then they would they would
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  Speaker 1: use copper tools, stone hammers, those kinds of things to
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  Speaker 1: shape it.
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  Speaker 3: So the giant smile on your face.
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  Speaker 1: The explanation doesn't make a lot of sense. And even
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  Speaker 1: you know, the hole down the middle of the B
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  Speaker 1: disc is a perfect I mean you can see the
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  Speaker 1: drill marks on the inside of the B disc.
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  Speaker 3: Do we have some images of these things?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Jamie, I have a China folder.
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  Speaker 3: Because the images on and by the way, that channel
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  Speaker 3: megalithic marvels. Derek's channel excellent, really fun, so great great stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Derek is the one that got me into all this.
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  Speaker 3: Shout out to Derek.
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  Speaker 1: Derek.
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  Speaker 3: So this is how do you say it? How do
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  Speaker 3: you pronounce that B disk the disc by disc? And
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  Speaker 3: how big is this?
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  Speaker 1: So that thing's about nine inches across, perfect perfectly circular,
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  Speaker 1: perfectly flat surface.
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  Speaker 3: On top, like measured to what tolerance?
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  Speaker 1: You know, I don't know the answer to that, and
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that there have been a lot of
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  Speaker 1: deep scientific studies on the precision of these. Right, the
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  Speaker 1: archaeologists assume that this culture made them with bamboos, you know,
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  Speaker 1: bamboo and strings. Okay, So yeah, there that picture, Jamie.
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  Speaker 1: You can see the inside of the actual artifact in
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  Speaker 1: the bottom right that's drilled. Yeah, right, and the one
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  Speaker 1: on the left is an experiment. These archaeologists ran with
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  Speaker 1: a bamboo core down the middle of the jade and
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  Speaker 1: you can just you can see the difference between the two.
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  Speaker 3: How far did they get down with the bamboo express
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  Speaker 3: all the way through? They got all the way through.
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  Speaker 3: How long did that take?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to that. There was an
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  Speaker 1: archaeologist that did an experiment in the nineteen thirties and
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  Speaker 1: they used these strings with the abrasives to cut off
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  Speaker 1: a piece of jade that was the size of a basketball,
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  Speaker 1: and it took them a week to cut the cut
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  Speaker 1: the string all the way through that piece of jade.
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  Speaker 3: Hmmm. So the difference in the people that are listening,
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  Speaker 3: So there's the bamboo experiment where they drilled into something
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  Speaker 3: with a bamboo and cord and some what else was
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  Speaker 3: did they use the like sand or something?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, abrasives sort, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And so the difference is if you look at the
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  Speaker 3: lines as it's drilling down, they're thick and they don't
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  Speaker 3: look the same if you look at the ones in
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  Speaker 3: the actual artifact, they're extremely tight. They're they're way smaller,
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  Speaker 3: and they're they're tighter to each other. And it doesn't
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  Speaker 3: make sense like you look at that like that looks
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  Speaker 3: like a machine.
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  Speaker 1: It does, And in this specific instance, it looks to
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  Speaker 1: me like the drill came from both directions, like they
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  Speaker 1: flipped it over and drilled from the top and then
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  Speaker 1: flipped it over again and drilled from the bottom and
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  Speaker 1: that's where it met in the middle.
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  Speaker 3: Wow. So when what is like, what's out of all
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  Speaker 3: these different artifacts, what's the most puzzling one to you?
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  Speaker 1: The sung tube, which is the one on the left
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  Speaker 1: track yep, so that you know that is it's larger
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  Speaker 1: on top, smaller on the bottom, perfectly ninety degree corners.
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  Speaker 1: It's got a round tube in the middle. But the
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  Speaker 1: artifact in general is square, So it's just a very
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  Speaker 1: complex shape to create with that level of precision, and
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  Speaker 1: nephrite jade is a very a very hard stone, so
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  Speaker 1: it would have taken You know, this is a people
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  Speaker 1: in MySpace talk about the most scale of hardness, just
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  Speaker 1: as a way of saying diamonds are a ten. You know,
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  Speaker 1: different different stone levels the the hardstone discs like Di
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  Speaker 1: write that would be a six or seven. This is
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  Speaker 1: the same. It's it's that hard.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, And so is the idea. Well, I'm just assuming
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  Speaker 3: the idea is that there was a more sophisticated culture
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  Speaker 3: that probably existed pre dating that, and these are leftover artifacts.
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  Speaker 1: It is only my opinion that that's the case. I
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  Speaker 1: haven't seen a lot of people talk about these artifacts
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  Speaker 1: at all, Jamie. If you go back to the picture
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  Speaker 1: you had just flashed on the screen, the reason I've
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  Speaker 1: developed this theory. So this is an image on the
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  Speaker 1: side of the largest sung tube. It's called the King
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  Speaker 1: of Jade's Song. It's a fifteen pound artifact that was
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  Speaker 1: found and you can see the raised stone, so it's
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  Speaker 1: the high relief carvings that were later etched over. That
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  Speaker 1: etching is has become very famous. If you look at
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  Speaker 1: photos of the museum in liang Zhou, this image is everywhere,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that this was an image that was
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  Speaker 1: used by the Liangzhu tribe as like the image of
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  Speaker 1: the king basically so, but I do believe that it
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  Speaker 1: was scratched over the top of an original, very very
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  Speaker 1: interesting high relief carving that you see in a lot
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  Speaker 1: of other artifacts. So I think that he basically found this.
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  Speaker 1: It looks it's something that they maybe could not recreate,
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  Speaker 1: and then they kind of stamped their kingly symbol over
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  Speaker 1: the top of it.
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  Speaker 3: So this is it's common in Egypt as well, and
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  Speaker 3: particularly this theory among alternative historians because you look at
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  Speaker 3: the complexity of some of the sarcophaguses and some of
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  Speaker 3: the different things, and then you see the writing on
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  Speaker 3: the outside, which looks like crude or the writing is
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  Speaker 3: not as precise, the cutting is not as precise. There's
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  Speaker 3: a lot like chips to it. It doesn't look like
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  Speaker 3: they use the same materials or the same utensils or tools.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, the question is if you had
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  Speaker 1: the ability, there's the King of Jade Sung, So if
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  Speaker 1: you had the ability to make an artifact in that
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  Speaker 1: kind of a shape, why would you not have also
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  Speaker 1: created the scratching over the top in that high quality version.
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  Speaker 1: So why would you create the artifact like that and
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  Speaker 1: then just scratch over the top of it? Right, it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't make sense.
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  Speaker 3: It's there's always that's always been the case that history
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  Speaker 3: shows that people who are controlling a region will take
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  Speaker 3: credit for everything. They'll take credit for all the ancient
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  Speaker 3: stuff too. They'll put their name on it. They own everything,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and that's famous with pharaohs. They did it
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  Speaker 3: with everything, and this is documented. We know that they
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  Speaker 3: wrote their name on things that they didn't create.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Ramsey's the second was King Selfie. You know, he
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  Speaker 1: put his cartoonsh on everything.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, which is I mean, it sounds like what a
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  Speaker 3: dictator does. It sounds like what a pharaoh would do. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it doesn't mean that they made it. And
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  Speaker 3: for us to just assume that they did, knowing that
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  Speaker 3: people in great power behave that way, it is kind
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  Speaker 3: of kind of crazy. That's our map of history. So
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  Speaker 3: how did you get down this road where you started
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  Speaker 3: looking at these objects and looking at the convention historical
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  Speaker 3: timeline saying something's.
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  Speaker 1: Wrong here specific to the Chinese artifacts?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? Or were you already on that path when you
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  Speaker 3: found the Chinese artifacts.
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  Speaker 1: I've been on this path for a while and you
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  Speaker 1: know the name of my channel is Secrets and Stone.
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  Speaker 1: And the reason I named it that is because I
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  Speaker 1: believe that the stones speak to you. They will show
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  Speaker 1: you exactly what the story is.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So with these artifacts, just like the hardstone debt or
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  Speaker 1: hard stone bases, it just is out of place. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't make any sense. And especially in the British Museum,
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  Speaker 1: when you look at these with your own eyes and
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  Speaker 1: then you read the story of how they believe that
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  Speaker 1: they were made, you know, it's it just doesn't it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't add up. And so all you have to do,
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  Speaker 1: you know, in any of these places is dig one
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  Speaker 1: or two levels down and you start to start to
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  Speaker 1: see a lot of inconsistencies one.
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  Speaker 3: Or two les so meaning that the older stuff is
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  Speaker 3: the more complex.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, or with the way that the archaelogists have interpreted
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  Speaker 1: a lot of these sites, there's a whole lot of
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  Speaker 1: assumptions that are made. You know, there's there's carbon dating
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  Speaker 1: that only goes part way down. You know, they'll dig
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  Speaker 1: part way down, they'll date it. It matches their story,
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  Speaker 1: and they write the report. They'll take inscriptions, you know,
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  Speaker 1: especially in Cambodia places like that, where a king has
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  Speaker 1: written an inscription and they'll say, yep, well that king
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  Speaker 1: wrote on this, so this must have been made at
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  Speaker 1: this time and there's really no no further investigation. So
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  Speaker 1: it's it's become a theme with my work where I'll
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  Speaker 1: go somewhere, specifically with the megalithic architecture, you can see
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  Speaker 1: exactly where the old architecture was built. Oftentimes it's the
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  Speaker 1: lowest level, and then you can see where other cultures
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  Speaker 1: have come later and built on top of it, and
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  Speaker 1: it just looks it looks like a just a copy
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  Speaker 1: of what's underneath. It's like they were really trying to
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  Speaker 1: make what they saw, but they just couldn't. And so
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  Speaker 1: once you've kind of trained your eye for that, you
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  Speaker 1: go anywhere in the world and you see it.
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  Speaker 3: How did you start looking at this stuff?
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  Speaker 1: I went to well, I went to Egypt four years
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  Speaker 1: ago and watched Ben van Kirkwick's videos, you know Ben,
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  Speaker 1: so I watched a couple of his videos on the
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  Speaker 1: way to Egypt. That was my first kind of introduction
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  Speaker 1: to this, and then it just became a bit of
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  Speaker 1: an obsession for me. I like to go to the
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  Speaker 1: sites around the world that other people don't really go to.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, I think Egypt and Peru and Turkey.
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  Speaker 1: That's it's all in good hands, right, Ben's watching over Egypt.
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  Speaker 1: We've got Brian Forrester down in Peru doing amazing work.
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  Speaker 1: The sites I go to are the sites that nobody
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  Speaker 1: else really visits. So I just got back from India
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  Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. I spent a lot of
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  Speaker 1: time in Cambodia, I went to Thailand, and these are
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  Speaker 1: the sites. But I think if you're trying to make
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  Speaker 1: a case, or at least a strong enough case that
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  Speaker 1: people will consider right that there may be a different
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  Speaker 1: history than what we're being told, I think you have
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  Speaker 1: to have more than three examples. So if you can
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  Speaker 1: start to do a lot of research on these sites
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  Speaker 1: all around the world, you can have thousands of examples
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  Speaker 1: of nubs, for example, or megalithic architecture that looks very similar,
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  Speaker 1: these walls that look very similar all over the world,
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  Speaker 1: and it just makes in my mind, it makes a
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  Speaker 1: much stronger case for it than just continuing to look
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  Speaker 1: at the same sites over and over again.
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  Speaker 3: It seems to me so much more likely that the
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  Speaker 3: timeline is incorrect. Then the historians are right and everyone
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  Speaker 3: else is just a conspiracy theorist weirdo. The more you
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  Speaker 3: look at it, the more questions I have. Like that
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  Speaker 3: kaylassa temple in India. Yeah, we've gone over that a
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  Speaker 3: few times. But Jamie pointed out something that they brought
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  Speaker 3: in about. Was it like an army to try to
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  Speaker 3: destroy it and they barely put a dent in the
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  Speaker 3: damn thing. Yeah, and they stayed for a long time.
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  Speaker 3: They tried to smash it up and they couldn't do
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  Speaker 3: shit to it. Yeah, And then you go, okay, well
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  Speaker 3: how did they make this? What did they? And I
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  Speaker 3: saw a really wild YouTube video the other day where
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  Speaker 3: this guy was proposing that they used lasers and that
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  Speaker 3: it was all laser carved, and that they had some
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  Speaker 3: sort of like super sophisticated laser setup back then that's
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  Speaker 3: why you're not finding all the stone.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's wait a minute, Look, I think
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  Speaker 1: that's absolutely possible.
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  Speaker 3: It sounds possible, but also so insane that we're so
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  Speaker 3: wrong about the linear timeline of human history that they
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  Speaker 3: had fucking lasers in India, Like how many thousands of
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  Speaker 3: years ago that they were using to carve an entire, massive,
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  Speaker 3: perfect temple out of rock.
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  Speaker 1: You know. I was just down at the Hois Solid Temples,
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  Speaker 1: which are in southern India, and they have these lathe
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  Speaker 1: turned pillars. The pillars are feet across, they're huge, and
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  Speaker 1: you walk up to them and you look at them closely,
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  Speaker 1: and you can see the lathe marks on them, and
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  Speaker 1: archaeologists concede that they're lathe turned, but they don't concede
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  Speaker 1: that it's machined. So they basically say, well, maybe they
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  Speaker 1: were turned on a lathe, we'll give you that, but
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  Speaker 1: that was probably human powered or animal powered. Yes, these
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  Speaker 1: are God. These are the statue or the lathe turned
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  Speaker 1: pillars in southern India. I was just looking at these
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  Speaker 1: with my own eyes a couple of weeks ago. It's
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  Speaker 1: completely unexplainable. And to think of the size of the
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  Speaker 1: machine that would be required, say you turn that pillar sideways,
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  Speaker 1: you connect it to a machine on each side, and
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  Speaker 1: you start lathing. Jamie, I have a folder in my
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  Speaker 1: India pictures that God that's so pretty, that has lots
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  Speaker 1: of e. So what you can see at sites like
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  Speaker 1: Hampy in India is you can see the evidence of lathings.
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  Speaker 1: So it almost looks like the setup that they would
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  Speaker 1: have used to carve these kinds of pillars. And it's
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  Speaker 1: just sitting in kind of far flung corners of these sites.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody addresses what they are and and so the evidence
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  Speaker 1: is everywhere of this. It's just not you know'ritten it's
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  Speaker 1: written off. It's like, well, that must have been an
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  Speaker 1: animal powered lathe, you know. So I do think we
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  Speaker 1: have strong evidence for machining in ancient history. And in
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  Speaker 1: my mind, it doesn't have to be machines, you know,
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  Speaker 1: there there could have been other ways that they were
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  Speaker 1: doing this that we don't even recognize.
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  Speaker 3: So what is this that we're looking at?
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  Speaker 1: So this is in this is it the museum in
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  Speaker 1: Hampy in southern India, And that to me looks like
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  Speaker 1: the left So it looks like where a pillar might
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  Speaker 1: have been placed and the machine was spinning, you know,
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  Speaker 1: some sort of a lathing machine. So I think it's
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  Speaker 1: like the you know, the other side of these pillars.
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  Speaker 3: Basically like the the end place. Yeah, exactly right, okay,
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  Speaker 3: And so these pillars, how large are they? Can you, Jamie,
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  Speaker 3: can you go to that image in the lower right
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  Speaker 3: hand corner police that one right there. God, I can't
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  Speaker 3: get over how pretty that is.
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  Speaker 1: They're so incredible in real life too.
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  Speaker 3: How tall are they?
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  Speaker 1: Way tall? I mean I my head would probably go
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  Speaker 1: halfway up that pillar. They're twice as tall as me.
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  Speaker 3: So immensely heavy. And what kind of stone is it
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  Speaker 3: carved out of?
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  Speaker 1: This is a chloritic shist, so it's a it's called soapstone.
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  Speaker 1: It's a pretty but there are laithe turned pillars that
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  Speaker 1: are also granite in southern India. It's a soapstone, so
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  Speaker 1: when it's quarried, it's a little bit softer and then
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  Speaker 1: it hardens once it's out of the quarry.
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  Speaker 3: Has anyone done an analysis of the geometry in these things?
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  Speaker 3: Like how precise it is and how like I'm looking
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  Speaker 3: at it? If you go to that the one next
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  Speaker 3: to a police that one, yeah, that one. When I'm
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  Speaker 3: looking at the precision of that and how many different
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  Speaker 3: pieces there are. I would love to know how uniform
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  Speaker 3: those are because it looks insane. That looks so beautiful
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  Speaker 3: we're looking at how do you say that word? Kopeshwar
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: Corpeshwar madv is that high site Maha dev God, that's pretty.
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  Speaker 1: It's incredible. And you know these sites have crazy energy too.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: You walk into them and you can tell that they
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: were made with a lot of love. These these pillars,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: you know you can't help but touch them.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: You're allowed to touch them.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, look.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: At that, like, I would love to know what the
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: precision of that is. Yeah, it's really imagine if it's
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: insanely precise. And then you have to explain that too,
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: not just stone chisels and tools and stuff, but.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: When you can see in the pillars, you can see
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: where the lathe started at the bottom, and you can
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: see where it stopped at the top. It's just running
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: and you know a lot of people are like, well,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: turn it sideways. Is that some sort of a sound wave?
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Is it mimicking? Is it telling us something?
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  Speaker 1: I think so?
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  Speaker 3: Can I see that again, Jamie?
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: I was just trying to find out your question.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: Of how precise they are. Oh, here it goes. The
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: pillars in how do you say it? Swarga mandap of
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: Copeswar temple are lathe turned with extremely uniform, circular and
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: polygonal profiles, showing high geometric precision and tight alignment, despite
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: being carved from stone without mortar Joints.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Says it resembles machine turned.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: Work resembles. Yeah, that's cute, Isn't it more likely it's
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: machine turned if it's exactly. Pillars are laid out with
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: consistent spacing in the circular hall so that the open
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: oculus in the ceiling remains perfectly centered, suggesting careful radial
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: planning and load distribution. The temple uses interlocking stone and
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: gravity rather than mortar. So the precise fit of the
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: pillars into bases and beams is critical to stability and
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: is cited as an example of advanced medieval Indian stone engineering.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: One thing that's interesting when you go to these temples
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: is you can see where they have moved these pillars
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: into the temples. So the core of most of these temples,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, is the original megalithic part of these temples,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: the oldest stuff. But you can see where these pillars
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: have been moved into new temples, and so you'll see
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: these crazy precise dark stones.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Because this is a rotating pillar.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: What I think it used to rotate, It does not anymore.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: I actually saw that pillar.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: When did it stop?
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know, and maybe that's just a myth. I
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: have no idea. But you can see where they moved
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: these pillars from original temples or maybe who knows, maybe
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: they found a workshop somewhere with these and they put
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: them in the center of the newer temples. So it's
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: not precise at all, very crude stonework above and below them,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: and then they have this perfect lathe pillar right in
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: the middle.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: So what is the timeline that they attribute to the
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: construction of these, oh, you.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Know, twelve hundred to fifteen hundred eighty.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: And why did they say that.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Because the kings that ruled during that time period wrote
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: inscriptions on the pillars in a lot of instances, on
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: the sides of the temples, things like that. Yeah, it's
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: it's all inscriptional evidence.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: I would need more evidence, you know.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Right, Well, what's really interesting. I've done a lot of Yeah,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: I've done a lot of research in Cambodia, and they
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: they date all of their all of their temples based
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: on inscriptions. And when you actually run these inscriptions through
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: AI and you translate them, they've all been translated from
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Sanskrit to French. I then translated it from French to English.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: And when you read what the kings actually wrote, very
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: seldom do they say I King so and so built this.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: What they say is I installed a lingham, I brought
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: a you know, I brought a statue to this temple.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: And so the archaeologists make a fairly big jump between
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: what the kings actually wrote and saying, well, this king
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: must have built so In a lot of instances, they're
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: actually putting words into into their mouths.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Wow, So what is your belief in terms of the
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: timeline and the construction of these things.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: I mean in the oldest instances it I personally believe
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: that it's pre flood, so you know, more than twelve
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: thousand years ago. I think there are some that are
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: probably older. Very you know, Peru is I just got
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: back from Peru a couple of months ago. That's fully unexplainable.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: You've talked about Peru on your show many times. Egypt
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: is incredibly ancient. I actually believe that India is one
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: of the most ancient places on Earth. And they were
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: they different civilizations building there. What they built suggests that
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: it probably was. Were they in contact with each other?
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: I believe they were. You know, there's enough similarities around
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: the world that it feels like there was a communication
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: network between them. But when you look at the actual
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: building styles between take those three examples, India, Egypt, and Peru,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: they're completely different. Right. Egypt is very just blocks, very
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: few decorations, especially in places like the Oscerion. It doesn't
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: it's just it almost looks it's like clinical, you know.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: But then you're in Peru and it's playful. There're these big,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: pillowy blocks, and then you go to India and there's
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: carvings all over everything, right, And so I do believe
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: that there are certain places in this world that are
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: substantially older. And I believe that for thousands of years
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: civilizations have been they're attracted to these places and they
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: build on top of them, and they settle there, and
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: so you just see generation after generation after generation of
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: building on top of them.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: Well, it makes sense when you think about Kylosa, because
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: look how perfect it is now and this is thousands
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: of years after they attribute it to being built, or
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: at least a thousand years. Yeah, and it looks like
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: there's been zero erosion. Now at a few thousand years
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: to that, it's gonna look exactly the same. And if
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: you're just generation after generation, like not knowing who built it,
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: and you get a version of you know, this king
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: said he did it or this guy said he did
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: like how at a few thousand years and it's fucking guesswork.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: And to have archaeologists shift through dirt and find an
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: inscription somewhere and go, oh, we nailed it, Like God,
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: that's such a disservice to what the complexity of the
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: mystery of what we're looking at is like just the
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: Kylasso one is. I am obsessed with that place. I've
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: I've watched like four or five documentaries on it and
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: see and when we went over it on the podcast
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: the other day with the CEO of Perplexity, it's like
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: it's fucking bananas. It's so crazy, how precise and one
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: mistake and you're fucked. But yet it's all geometrically aligned.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: There's they have no idea what they did with all
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: the stone?
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: That's the big question that seems so cool. They removed
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: an entire cliff side mountain and you know it, it
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: was the top.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: Down, Yeah, and put it where would you do it
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: at all?
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Good question?
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: That's so much rock, that's not a little bit of rock.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: You would think there'll be some laying around. Yeah, even
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: after thousands of years, you'd have like a pile somewhere,
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: like fuck it, anybody wants some free stone, it's over there.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: No one's gonna take all the stone. You have fucking
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: millions and millions of tons of stone, Like that's crazy.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: Would you do with it?
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: You know what? I wonder? I wonder. I do feel
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: for archaeologists, right, I mean they go to a site
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: and they're like, gosh, maybe this feels a little older.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: But the only evidence I have are pot shirts that
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: I can date. I can dig down, and I can
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: find cultural layers of cultures that, in my opinion, lived
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: there afterwards. They're dating that, and they see inscriptions, and
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: that's the evidence that they have to make their case.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: But I do wonder how many of them are looking
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: at these sites and saying, yeah, this actually doesn't make
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: a whole lot of sense.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: A lot of the young ones. I've talked to him.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: I've talked to him. I think this is the hierarchical.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: The hierarchical with the word hierarchy, the structure of academics,
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: and in terms of these guys that are teaching university
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: courses and giving out PhDs and writing books, and they
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: have a vast body of work that's all about the timeline,
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: all about you know, what they know, and they are
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: the gatekeepers of information. And there's a lot of ego
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: involved with academics, I'm sure you know that. And they
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: get really shitty with each other and they're vicious. They're
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: vicious when they attack each other, even if they're wrong.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: Like the whole Clovis first thing was the best example
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: that the gentleman who proposed this theory that there were
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: people here older than the Clovis people was destroyed by
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: his own peers, and it took years before it was
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: proven that he was correct. And not only was he correct,
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: but he was correct by like over ten thousand years.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: Like now they're pushing it past twenty two thousand years
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: ago because of the footprints they found in White Sands,
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: New Mexican.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Right, the peopling of the America.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: Yes, so humans have been here a long, long long time.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: And this is just indicative of this pattern that happens
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: whenever anybody comes up with any sort of an alternative
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: theory that doesn't come from the gated halls of academia,
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: they're just dismissed. But academics, I've only been around for
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: a few hundred years. Like, we have to stop and
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: think about how crazy it is that we've put the
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: power in these people that we know are not always accurate,
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: nor are they compromised, and they have ego problems, and
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: they have this structure of the people at the top
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: that are giving out grants and giving out funding and
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: giving PhDs and reading people's dissertations. It's like, it's very
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: social and it's very complex, and to deviate from the
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: narrative is devastating for your career. Like if they can
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: destroy the guy who proposed that Clovis first was incorrect,
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: I think I was an academic. He was established. Imagine
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: if you're a fucking PhD student and you're like, I
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: think you guys are wrong, Well your fuck forever.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: You know, I used to work in corporate America and
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: there were a lot of things that I thought that
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: I absolutely never said right. So if you think about
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: these young archaeologists, even if they see something and they think, gosh,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: I wish that I could dive into that and really
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: explore how old this is, they're going to get shut
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: down immediately, and their self preservation mechanisms are going to
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: kick in because they've got a paycheck. You know, you
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: have to sympathize with the situation that they're in.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Oh I do, I completely do. We've all worked for
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: shitty bosses. It's a terrible position to be in, and
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: especially if your shitty boss is in charge of the
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: distribution of information about the history of the human rance.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: That is crazy. That is crazy to get ego involved
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: in that. I know, because when you see like the
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: attacks on guys like Graham Hancock and all these people
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: that propose that this data that we should look at,
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: that's just that, like there's a bunch of data that
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: confounds the timeline, like it fucks it completely up. Yeah,
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: when but go Beckley Teppe came along and then everybody
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: was like, Okay, we're in a we have a problem.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: We have an eleven thousand plus year old structure. For sure,
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: it was purposely buried eleven thousand plus years ago. So
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: how old is it. It's at least eleven thousand years old.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: That doesn't make any sense because timeline of civilization is
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: supposed to be six thousand years ago. So now we
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: have immense stone structures with three D carvings that are
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: in concentric circles. That's five thousand years older than that. Okay,
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: these are hunting gatherers. There were just assholes that in
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: their spare time from killing antelopes, they decided they were
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: going to build immense structures on the top of a hill.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Well, and don't you find it interesting that the dating
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: of Go Beckley Teppe has not opened the door to
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: redating other sites around the world. So when you talk
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: about this stuff in Egypt, nobody's really open to saying,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: maybe this is ten thousand years old? Should we look again?
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: You know that story has been written, there's been a
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: period on it, and it's been put to bed.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: Not only that, there's actual geological evidence. And this is
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: where Robert Schock came into play. You know, I have
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: had him on the podcast before, and I remember watching
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: that documentary on the Mysteries of the Sphinx, and he
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: proposed that there's water erosion on the outside of the
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: temple the Sphinx. And he he's taken photos of that
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: erosion and brought it to other geologists and said, what
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: do you think this is? And they said, well, that's
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: water erosion, and then he shows them where it came from.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: I don't want to have nothing to do with this.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which is kidding, it's when.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: Crazy, which is crazy. Imagine the timeline of human history
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: is so controversial that you're worried that it would ruin
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: your career if you spoke accurately about your field of expertise,
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: which is erosion and geology. Due to rainfall, thousands of
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: years of rainfall, well thousands of years of rainfall means
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: at the very least the Sphinx is nine thousand years old,
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: the very least, but that's probably way older than that,
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: because you have to have thousands of years of rainfall
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: from the time that it was constructed constructed to make
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: these kind of deep fissures into this stone.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: And it was buried for much of its recent history,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: which means there was not erosion taking place the entire
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: time it was buried.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: The whole thing's nuts and that the wind and sand erosion.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: That's an argument against that, right because it was covered
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: in sand, and you know, if there was rain erosion
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: like they're proposing, it had to have been when there
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: was rainfall, significant rainfall in the Nile Valley, and that's
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: way back nine thousand years ago, long time.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Ago, yep. And you know, I guess it just it
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: breaks my heart a little bit that this conversation gets
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: shut down because if you think about think about twenty
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: three and meters the number of people that have subscriptions
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: to websites like that because they are extremely interested in
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: where they came from, and it opens up their world
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: when they can see four generations back. It gives them,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: you know, people that belong to these subscription services, will
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: say I finally have a sense of belonging. I kind
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: of feel like I know where I came from. We
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: as a humanity, imagine if we actually knew where we
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: came from. I think we would feel a lot less lost.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's sad. I think it's funny. I
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: think it's just another example of just how funny people are,
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: how we're so weird, we're so full shit, and we're
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: just so filled with this desire to be correct and
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: to enforce our narrative that we do it even with
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: facts that are like significantly important for the entire world.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: And I think it's funny because it doesn't work, because
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: it's only opened the door to people like you and
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: people like Derek, and people like Graham Hancock and Ben
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: Van Kirkwick and Jimmy Corsetti and all these people that
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: Luke caverns. They just spend enormous amounts of time making
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: this incredible content, Like all the stuff that Luke has
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: done in the Americas, in South America, good Lord, there's
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: so many mysteries like explain away soaks a Juaman, explain
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: away those stones. Help me out, Help me out. Help
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: people with no steel and no heavy machinery move these
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: things into position. Move these twenty foot tall immense stones
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: that are cut like jigsaw puzzles, that looks like that
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: were melted into place.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like a melted marshmallow is stacked on
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: top of a melted marshmallow.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: It's literally bananas. It makes crazy, no sense. And then
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: you have the weirdness of these elongated heads that they
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: find down there, these skulls that are absolutely real skulls.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: These are not hoaxes. They have a thirty twenty to
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: thirty percent larger brain capacity in the skull.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: I have personally seen elongated skulls in four different countries.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: And it's not the same as skulls that were manipulated
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: to be flattened. That's what's different. So if people think
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: about this, there's a a very well known practice where
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: they would take boards and put them on children's heads
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: to elongate their heads. The question is why were they
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: doing that, and where they're trying to emulate something that existed,
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: another type of person that was here. Well, it seems
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: like it, and it seems like these skulls that they find,
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: particularly in Peru, the bones are larger, it's a larger face,
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: and they have a larger brain capacity, and they don't
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: have that sagital ridge sagual suture that's down the middle.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: So they're literally a different kind of skull. It's clearly
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: human or some form of human, but it has more
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: brain volume and it's built different than us. And everybody's like,
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: I don't see anything. They're not like, hey, maybe there
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: was a completely different species of human that existed along
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: with us, just like Denisovans, just like Neanderthals, just like
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: all these new ones that they keep finding fairly recently,
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: like the one they found in China, the big headed man.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: What was it? What was that one called? Again, julienz
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: Homo Julienne's this is like really recent, like a few
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: years ago they found this. Like, hey, we don't have
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: the picture, guys, we just don't. We don't have the
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: full we don't have all the data. And when you
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: have these fucking big skulls and you're not even bringing
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: that up, it makes me think, like, are you afraid
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: to look at this, because then you have to admit
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: that you really didn't know this and you were walking
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: around saying you're an expert in the human timeline.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Imagine some of the capabilities of these people with that
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: much more brain volume. Could they speak telepathically? Could they
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: move stones with their minds with sound?
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: We don't know what they were able to do. If
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: you just unlock an additional ten percent of your brain capacity,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Joe Rogan's brain capacity, think of what Think of all
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: of the connections you would make. Think about all of
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: the things you could do that you can't do now
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: if you land your brain volume by thirty percent exactly.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: Like the Cooper movie, remember yes, yeah, and he kept
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: the same size head.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Or the movie Lucy was Scarlett Johansson. That's what just
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: unlocking her full brain and suddenly she was moving things
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: with her mind? Right, So were these people able to
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: do things that regular humans couldn't, And that's why they
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: were emulated throughout history with cradle headboarding. They were the elite.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: They were maybe building some of these structures. Who knows.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: And if you are, if you are just an average
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Joe in that community, you want to look like them, right,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: you all of us do.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: It, especially the elites of the time, especially the humans
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: that you know were the kings and the pharaohs, and
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: all these different people they wanted to have those heads.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Yep, there were some really interesting It.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: Sounds like we're crazy people, right. If I just tuned
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: into this, it'd be like, oh great, another one was
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: retarded Joe Rogan shows where he's talking to crazy people.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: But then you see that Jamie pull up some of
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: the images of those skulls. I know, we've shown them ONAMI.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Have a folder with skulls. I can show you some
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: really interesting ones from England that are on small bodies,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: so they almost look like fairies, and they have these
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: giant skulls on these very small bodies, and it does
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: make you think that probably had something to do with
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: the mythology of fairies in England. This was at Apebury,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: which is one of the big stone circles. When you
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: walk into the museum there there are these amazing anomalous
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: elongated skulls on these very tiny little bodies. Who the
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: other interesting thing about elongated skulls children, I don't think so. No,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: there's a woman named Maria Whitley who writes all about
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: these skulls that she found that have been found all
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: over England. That's Egypt, Yeah, there it is. Yeah, so
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: this is England. This is one of the skulls. But
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: this skull is very small. But if you look at
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: the shape of it, you know their ears are in
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: a different spot. They have huge eye sockets. I have
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: another photo where it's there's one still attached to a
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: small bottom.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: Oh look at the size of that head.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Isn't that interesting?
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: That's crazy.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Now, this one may have been a child. I don't
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: remember specifically which of these.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: It was a kid. That kid's gonna be a football player.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: He already has a helmet.
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: Kid is a giant head. But it doesn't look right.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: It doesn't look right. I have babies. They don't. They
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: don't have heads that big. That's crazy. Even when a
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: baby's got a big head when they're little and they
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: could barely hold their.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Head up, it doesn't little bobble heads.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: That's crazy.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Another really interesting so far.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but look how far it goes behind the spine,
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: and look.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: How flat it is at the bottom in the back.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, imagine holding that head up.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: Well, that's the other weird thing about these elongated skulls.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: The part of the skull where it connects to the
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: spine is in a different place.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Yes, which makes sense otherwise, you know, yeah, I guess
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: you'd probably your head would fall backwards.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: Like look at these, Look at these that don't have
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: that sagital suture. That one that's closest to us, that
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: is crazy.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So that one's in Peru. I saw that one
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: a couple months ago. It looks completely different than the
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: skull right behind it.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: Right, it's like a different kind of person.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, interestingly, in a lot of.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: One on the side, and they don't have the one
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: down the middle.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's another one that's labeled Malta, and you can
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: see the view of it from the top and you
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: can see how it looks completely different than any of
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: the other. So here's an interesting thing that I'm not
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: sure you've talked much about.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: Joe brain surgery.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: The holes in the back of these skulls, it's trepanation.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: So it was a surgery that they that they see
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: evidence of in lots and lots of ancient skulls. And
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: the question becomes, so if you don't have a sagital
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: suture and your brain, you know, we have the our
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: brain will fuse right as we grow.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: Sorry, but look at that what it looks like. It
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: looks like these drills. Yeah, doesn't and they just drill
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: a circle around that dude's head.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: In a lot of instances, these people survived these surgeries.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: The question becomes, why were they doing it?
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: Well, look at that top one scoop out some brain,
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: bro that's crazy. Maybe they were trying to relieve pressure.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Well, if your brain doesn't have all of the sutures
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: that ours does, and your brain is fusing, there are
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: some theories that suggest that these people were losing their
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: connection with consciousness. So they because their brains were so big,
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: they you know, a lot of telepathy and things like that.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: So if you if you cut a hole in a
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: fused skull, you still have access, right, it allows your
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: allows you, I guess, more space in your skull to
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: access what you use to access.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: So it's like relieving pressure in some way. This is
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: the idea why they're doing this trepidation maybe, you know,
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: I think we had a woman who did trepidation to herself.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I've read about her.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she still she.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: Did it for doing lobotomy until pretty recently.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: This is yeah, right, when better is she still alive? Jamie?
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: I think she might have passed recently.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: And her motivation for that was it not for consciousness?
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, she was out there.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: But isn't it interesting?
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: Lovely lady, lovely lady, but she is out there. Yeah,
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: that lady had been on some trips. She had been
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: to other dimensions many many, many many times a year ago. Yeah,
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: so sweet lady too. She was so kind.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: It makes the question what was the motivation for doing
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: that in these ancients?
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: She described it in very glowing terms, the experience of
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: trepidation when she did. She did to herself. So there's
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: a photo of her, isn't it like is there a
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: video for doing it? I know there's photos of the
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: actual procedure for drilling a hole in her head?
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Like yoo, it must be quite a sense of relief.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: Though I don't care.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Your brain's no longer locked in your skull.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, is that really what it is? I don't
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: want to find out, but I mean I know people
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: that have had to have brain surgery because they had
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: brain bleeding. Yeah, there it is. They just drilled the whole.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: Looks like they use a stick. What the helly I
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: think she did? What is she using?
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Is doing it to herself?
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: Yes, it's the only way if you really want to
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: achieve one with Chakras or some.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Ship, You're probably not going to get a doctor to
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: sign up for that, Jamie.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: Can you find there's some images of those elongated skulls.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: There is a few really spectacular ones that we pulled
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: up the other day, and one of them is like
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: the sagile suiture is completely missing and it's it's so
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: big and you're looking at it like, Okay, this is
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: a real skull in a museum, like, help me out,
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: help me out, anatomy experts, why does it why does
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: it not have the features of a normal human skull,
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: and why is it so big? Like this seems completely insane? Yeah,
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: shut it, Ai, that's a that's a bunch of bullshit.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: Archaeologists got an AI.
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: And wrote bad articles when I saw that one with
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: the little kid or the small thing with the big
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: back of the dome. Aren't there or could that be
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: explained by just like a random anomaly?
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah for sure, Like, yeah, it depends on how many
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: there are. But go to the images of those those
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: skulls so we could see the crazy one.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Why Google just changed and there's no.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: Longer They don't like you anymore like the website. They
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: hate you.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: I noticed it yesterday.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: You can't. Oh yeah, that is weird sabotage because they're
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: trying to get you to use ai'n oh, that's so gross.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: Just write images. Yeah see now, now they'll show you. Okay,
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: So it's the one on the far left, upper corner.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: It's right below it. Sorry, there you go. That's it.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: That's the one.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Look at the eyes.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the whole thing is nuts. That the fact that
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: that is a real skull. It should freak everyone out
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: that no one is that this isn't the front page
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: of the New York Times, that this isn't some thing
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: that everyone's investigating. Like this is not a physical anomaly.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: This is a completely different skull that's not a regular
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: human skull at all. The capacity is so much larger.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: You cannot explain that by headboarding. You cannot explain the
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: size of the fucking eye sockets. It's crazy. You imagine
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: looking into someone who's that one lady that has crazy
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: big eyes. She's an actress, do you know what I'm
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: talking about, Jimmie, she's really pretty. She's got big, giant eyes.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: I've seen that too, But that's but they're not that big.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: The point is like those eyes would be fucking enormous.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: Like if that person was in front of you and
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: they had skin on with those eye sockets and that head,
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: you'd be like, Yo, you know, I want you to
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: meet my friend Mike. They'd be like, what the fuck?
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: That is not what it looks like that that drawing.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: That drawing is way too normal. That head's way bigger than.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: That too, by the way, And the eyes are nothing,
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: nothing like it.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: They're not even in the same place, Like those eyes
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: are in a different place like those those eyes there
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: is eyes are in a nutty place.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: I mean that that image on the right, the woman,
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: that could be what they looked like if they were
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: cradle headboard.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: Yes, and her face looks flattened. Do like the whole
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: thing looks, which is such a gross thing that they
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: did to try to emulate these people.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Imagine tying a baby up on a board and telling
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: it to stay.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: Look at that skull was look at that one to
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: the left Jamie left right below that, Yeah, that one,
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: look at that one. What the hell is that with
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: the Yeah? But help me out, tell me that's a person.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: Help me out. That is not just an elongated skull.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: That's crazy.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: That's not if that's a real photo.
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: Almost a potential plaster even I don't think i've seen
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: that one make this stuff that is true.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: That is true.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: People came out in Sasquatch organization.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: Well that's a reputable sort. They're the best Sasquatch organization.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Try not to judge all of those. I'm just clicking
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: the photo.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: But they have all the real information. There's a lot
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: of misinformation in the Sasquatch community.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Oh yes, m but that is the only place that should.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: There's gotta be the other ones. Well that that one
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: in the middle and the top and the left, yeah,
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: right there, click on that those three like that almost.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, still the same one. Those all the same one
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: from different angles.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: Well, the one in the middle looks different than the
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: one on the left. Definitely.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: Look at the recreation below though at least his eyes
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: are big. He looked.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: Okay, that's a good one. That's a good that's a
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: good representation with those people. And those people tell me
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: that dude can't read your mind. The last he comes
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: up to you with those beads on.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Like, I'll do whatever you say.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: You're like Okay, I guess we're communicating with the mothership. Yeah, Like,
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: look at the size of his Please go back to
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: that image again with hair. Yeah, that's is that real?
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah? And most of the hair on these elongated skulls
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: is red.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: Oh that's so wild, that's so crazy. Go back to
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: that last image please, where you see the dude like
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: that guy. Imagine running into that guy at at a
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: Mayan temple. He'd be like, oh Christ, the real one
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: hundred person, Like, that's a different kind of person like
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: that seems the eyes are fucking massive. That seems like
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: a totally different kind of person.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: Yes, you know, it has very different abilities than the
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: average human.
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: Yes, I mean if the brain is what differentiates us
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: from all the other intelligent animals on this planet, and
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: a human it looks just like a human, but different
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: has a brain that much bigger than ours. What is that?
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: What?
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: That's a real thing, folks. This is these We're not
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: making this up. These fucking skulls are real. That's crazy. Yep,
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: that is crazy. There was a person like that.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: The only museum I've been to in the world that
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: has any sign that indicates it may have been alien
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: is Malta when you walk into the museum in Malta,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: it actually has a poster that talks about the lack
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: of the Sagital future, has a picture of an alien
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: on it.
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: Really wow.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: And they leave their skulls out. A lot of these museums,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: especially the ones in southern Peru, they've sort of tucked
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: them away. They've put them in dark cases, so it's
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: harder to take pictures of them. You can't. They're not
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: out there in the open where it's easy to pop
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: around each side of it.
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: They're probably worried about them getting stolen too. That there's
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: an issue that I've been informed about with ancient artifacts
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: that there's a whole underground market where really wealthy people
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: like want to buy like Egyptian artifacts, and there's a
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: lot of scandals involved with a lot of these people
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: that are in charge of these artifacts, where artifacts go
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: missing and people get rich, and you know, they sell
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: books that nobody buys, and all of a sudden they
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: have a mansion.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yep.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: And if you're on a government salary and you can
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: slip one of these vases away, yeah and sell it,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: you're going to make a lot more money than you're
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: going to make working for the government.
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: Not just vases, but even skeletons. There's evidence of skeletons
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: going missing. Yep, skeletons they found in a sarcophagus, and
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: then all of a sudden they said, Nope, there's no skeleton.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: And then there's clearly documentation that they found a skeleton
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: that leads back decades ago, and then today they're saying no,
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: no Skeleton's like, where's the skeleton?
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: Nothing to see here?
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and some of that. That's the weird thing is
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: like some of these these skulls that they find, if
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: you could find the entire skeleton, you'd imagine that is
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: a very big person. These are not normal sized people,
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: like whatever the structure, that's unless they have an enormous
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: head and a little tiny body. If they have a
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: proportion at head to their body, you're looking at a
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: seven to eight foot tall person. This is a huge head.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And there's giant lore all over the world, in
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: every ancient civilization.
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: And in the fucking Bible.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: I don't believe that that's imaginary, and I don't believe
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: it's myths. I think that it's remembering.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it is too. I think there's probably
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: a different version of people that existed. And I think
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: the real problem is we we're dealing with the fossil record,
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: and the reality of biological life is neither you nor
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: I is very likely to leave behind a fossil. So
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: a thousand years from now, no one's going to know
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: who you were, and no one's going to know who
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: I was. And they're not going to be able to
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: tell from our bones. You're not going to find them.
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: They're going to be absorbed by the ground. And that's
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: a wrap. And in order to get a fossil, a
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: very specific set of circumstances has to take place. And
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: so you know, we're lucky that we have some skulls.
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: We're lucky in this. You know, a thousand years old,
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: two thousand years old, however old they are. But you
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: get back to ten eleven, twelve thousand years ago, fifteen
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: thousand years ago, fifty thousand years ago. Good luck, nothing left.
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: Good luck unless you're finding it in the perma frost,
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: like in Alaska. Like my friend John Reeves, he has
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: that place, the Boneyard in Alaska. He's the best.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: That's so love.
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: That place is crazy. Have you been no? He keeps
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: trying to get me to go out there, and I
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: will eventually, I promise, But the spot is absolutely bananas.
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: He's finding all of insane things out there, including animals
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: that aren't even supposed to have existed in that area.
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: So they're rewriting the idea of like what was alive,
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: and like what animals were alive, different cats and different bears, Like,
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: we don't know that much. We're basing like the thing
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: about all we know about the dinosaurs. It's amazing how
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: much work they've done. It's amazing how many dinosaurs they've documented.
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: But if you look at the amount of dinosaurs that
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: actually lived over the hundreds of millions of years, hundreds
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: of millions of years of dinosaurs aroam the earth, there's
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: a tiny, tiny, diny fraction, a tiny fraction of these
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: dinosaurs that we find that are fossilized. Most of them
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: are gone forever, including who knows how many species that
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: were completely unaware of we have no evidence of whatsoever. Now,
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: think about an intelligent species that probably buried their dead
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: like we do, or maybe even burn them. You know,
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: we don't know what they did, or you know, maybe
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: they were even more enlightened they did the Tibetan sky
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: funeral where they let themselves get eaten by vultures.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: You're not going to find anything, right, No, You're You're
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: absolutely right. It feels like people should be just maybe
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: a little bit more open to our past.
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: I think people are. I think the problem is some
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: of these and I say some, it's only some of
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: these academics. There's a lot of people that are deviating
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: from that now. And again it's a lot of young people,
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: you know, like guys like Michael Button. Do you know
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: is he's great? He went school, got a degree and
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: was like, I think there's more to this, And I
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: think I could do a better job doing a YouTube
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: channel where I just research these things thoroughly and provide
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: you with a very balanced perspective on how crazy all
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: this stuff is and how none of this really makes
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: sense if you use the conventional timeline. Yep.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: And people are hungry for that information.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I am. I'm obsessed.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: Thank goodness that the Internet has democratized it so people
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: like me can get on there and put a video
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: on and just see what people think.
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: And you really learn a lot when you see people
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: like you get attacked, you know, and people like Jimmy
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: Corsetti and all these people, like they go after people
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: so hard and they always take the same love they always.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: Takes alwaysism, racism exactly.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: That's what I was gonna say, which is so crazy
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: because no one's attributing the Indian temples to anything under
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: than Indians, Right, it's not racist, it's just say, I'm
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: saying Indians from like a long ass time ago, it's
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: the same people.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: They to be even more proud of.
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, it's crazy, Like no one is saying that
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: the people in Peru, humans in Peru didn't make that stuff.
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: No one's saying that, right, That's exactly what we're saying. Ye,
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: what we're saying is probably the people in Peru were
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: incredibly sophisticated before the flood. Yeah, that's probably what it was.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: Egypt, it doesn't make any sense that they're shutting that
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: down to extend your timeline. If you're able to to
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: twenty thousand years ago, that's twice as much to be
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: proud of, right.
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: Right, But it's just the academics who have like firmly
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: stamped twenty five hundred BC. Bam, this is what we know,
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: and we're going to stick with it despite all the
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: hard evidence, like the geol logical evidence, disputing that. It's
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: really weird because like, look, guys, rain does a very
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: specific thing to stone over thousands of years.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: It's hard evidence right there.
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you don't really know when it was built.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: You're just guessing. But this isn't really much of a guess.
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: This is actual evidence. Yeah, And for them to not
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: even consider that and to just dismiss them. And it's
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: just lucky that guys like Robert Chalk had tenure and
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: lucky also that he wasn't an archaeologist, he's a geologist
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: and what are they going to fault him for his
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: methods the way he did it? What he said, No,
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: you can't really because it's pretty rock solid.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: We should be leaning on these geologists and saying, what
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: do you see and then informing our theories based on
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: what they're saying. Yeah, not the other way around.
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: Ben van Kirkwik has done amazing work on some of
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: the erosion that's around some of the pyramids and some
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: of the bases of some of the structures around the pyramid,
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: and that it seems like there's many levels of construction
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: and that the oldest oldest stuff has a preposterous amount
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: of erosion, like insane amount of erosion.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, yep. I mean even in So I've spent
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: a lot of time researching Cambodia. If you look at
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: So there are eight different pyramids in the media anchor
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: Wat area, and these pyramids are massive, and when you
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: walk up to them you can see how incredibly ancient
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: they are. And the dating on these pyramids are, you know,
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: nine hundred eighty to thirteen hundred eighty, so not very
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: old the official dating. But when you stare at the stones,
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: you can see the same thing you see in Egypt.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: You see just ancient weathering patterns down the sides of them.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: You can see how the whole site has been rebuilt.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: And they don't talk about it. Right, So the entire
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: history of Cambodia, nobody, nobody is open at all to
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: exploring that it might be older than eight hundred eighty.
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: Let's look at some photos of ank or Watt, because
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: it's another incredibly bizarre place. And when people use the
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: convention ol timeline to date it, it's not it's amazing
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: and it's beautiful, but it's not as crazy when you
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: really if you take into consideration that no one really
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: knows when it was built, and the possibility that it's
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: actually eleven thousand years old, twelve thousand year old, maybe
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: even older. It almost kind of makes sense.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: Have you does it would look just like that?
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: And the temples are the towers inside the core of
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: Anchor Wat. In my personal opinion, the core of Anchor Watt,
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: it's got three different layers. The core I think is
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: extremely old. It's got these five central towers. They look
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: almost melted, so you can see the five in the middle.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: As you move out by each layer, all of the
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: iconography in Anchor Watt changes. So in the center it's
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: all deities, it's religious symbolism. As you move out it
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: becomes war scenes and elephants in battle. Right, so you
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: can see where each successive culture has built onto the
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: outside of Anchor Wat. But the core of it, it
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: looks enormously old.
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: And let's get some photos of the core of it.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: Have you ever have you ever discussed the light our
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: findings around Anchor Watt. I have not, Jamie. I have
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: some photos in my Cambodia folder to.
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: Dance the line of looking at these before I switch
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: over to your stuff.
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: God, Look how beautiful that is. Look how that the
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: trees roots are growed all around it.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: Cambodia is one of the most special places on this earth.
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: Imagine what that was like during its prime.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: Oh that's the Bayon Temple, the temple with two hundred
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: and eighteen faces. Wow, enormous faces.
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: So are those is that? Like?
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: Those are clearly different stones brought in.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're individual stones.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: To compare it to the other stuff we've seen where it's.
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, very different, Yeah, very different kind of construction. Yeah, spectacular,
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: but maybe makes more sense than like Kylossa.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: In twenty twelve. That's a great photo, Jamie. In twenty
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: twelve they did alid our survey in Cambodia and what
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: they discovered in Cambodia completely shocked the world. So you
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: can see Anchor Watt in this photo is right in
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: the middle of that giant moat. There were huge mound
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: fields all around Anchor Wat, inside this moat and outside
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: of Anchorwat. And then if you go south of it,
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: you can see these giant spiral embankments. If you just
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: zoom out a tiny bit, Jamie, do you see those
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: spirals in the bottom left side of the screen. Those
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: are from one side to the other. They're a mile long. Yeah.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: So these are the geometric features at Anchor Wat.
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: And these are hidden from the naked Earth.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: Yes, they're under the jungle canopy. Nobody knew that these
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: were there until twenty twelve when the light hoar results
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: came out. Holy shit, there are mound fields that are
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: a mile This particular moundfield is a mile long. It's
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: a ten by ten moundfield. And these mounds are enormous.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: They're like thirty feet across and there's no explanation at
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: all for what these are.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: And they didn't even know they existed.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: They didn't even know they existed. So this is anchor
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: Wat from the air, very very interesting. That western beret
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: where you see, that's a man made It's the largest
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: hand cut reservoir on Earth. It's eight kilometers long and
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: two kilometers wide. So you can see the old Siam
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: Reep International Airport just south of it. That's the size
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: of this thing. It is enormous. The official archaeological story
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: of these berets is that they were a hand dug
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: and that they were used to water rice. There's one
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: on the left side that's the Western Beret. There's an
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: equally large one on the east side, so there are
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: two of them that are eight kilometers long on each
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: side two kilometers wide. Just an enormous volume of dirt
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: would have had to have been removed to create these,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: and there's no discussion at all about what they were for,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: how they were made. They're just attributed to different kings
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: based on inscriptions found in the corners of these sites.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: So if you want to talk about mysteries, in my
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: humble opinion, Cambodia is one of the most mysterious places
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: on Earth.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: What are they? How old do they think?
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: This reservoir is uh like nine hundred eighty so not
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: old at all, and there's no explanation for how it
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: was done. Just to excavate the Western Beret is the
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: equivalent of fifty three Giza size pyramids of dirt moved
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: out of it. So this is it today. You can
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: see there's a temple in the middle of it.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: That's so big. That's so crazy that they supposedly dug
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: that out by hand.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: You can see this from space. NASA's taking photos of
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: it before. There's no explanation for what they were doing there.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: What is the images of the pyramids up in the corner.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: That's the fifty Yeah, that's the equivalent. So one hundred
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: and thirty eight million cubic meters of dirt to dig
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: that out.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: How deep is it?
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: It's you know, five or ten meters deep. And I
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: believe that they you know, they dug out the inside
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: and then they built these large walls, you know, retaining
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: walls on the outside. So I don't think that there's
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: huge piles of dirt somewhere. I think that's you know,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: it was just deepened and then they built the walls
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: around them to retain them. But there's a lot of
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: really interesting complex things going on with these berets.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: This reminds me of I had perplexity dig up something
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: on the Kylie Osset Temple.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, here I was.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: It was just going into like is the ability of
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: what do you know how many people they thought made it?
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: I guess I'll ask you that first. Do you know
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: how they the conventional method? They said two hundred and
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: fifty people made it over five and a half years.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: The problem with that.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: Is it started they'd like to hire those dudes.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: It started to tell me like that's kind of like okay,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: but then it started getting like, actually the hardest part
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: with this is going to be removing all of that rock,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: like where not they couldn't that didn't say like where
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 4: is it? But just just going into the math. This
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: is all the perplexity did it's all this math on.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: This is kylossa.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the amount of stone that can be removed, every
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: dingy and it just.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: It would have taken it is even just the two
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty people is a fourth of the.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: Potential the number they tried to destroy it with for
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: three years.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: And it has the same tools. I guess they just
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: had some sort of metal that says five and a half.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: They tried to destroy it for three years and just quit.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: Really frustrating. Three years.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: A thousand guys try to destroy it for three years.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: You imagine that. That is crazy.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: One hundred and it's just exaggerated. You know, they couldn't
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: do anything.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: That's really crazy.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: You know, mad that king was, He's like, just destroy it.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: Imagine what a dick he must have been. Oh yeah,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: I want to destroy that. That's the problem with kings.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: It's the problem with kings.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: Good lord, that's wild.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: So yeah, the Cambodia is incredibly mysterious and nobody talks
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: about Cambodia Jackson Coffee. Sure, thank you.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: So how did you get involved in Cambodia? How'd you
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: it was the first thing that you looked at.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: I went there for the first time three years ago.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: It was a quick stopover. We were getting ready to
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: hike the Sundong Cave in Vietnam, you know, the largest
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: cave in the world sixty minutes. Yeah, So we had
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: that trip planned and I said, well, Cambodi's right next door.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: Maybe we should just pop over there for a week.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: So we did, and you know, walking on these sites,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: it's the same thing I was talking about earlier. You.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: I like to hire local guides just to hear what's
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: the story that they are telling you? What is the
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: official history and the story that they told me, just
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: it doesn't match what you see with your own eyes.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: So they say that the earliest civilizations they're built in brick,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: and then they built with stone. Over time they developed
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: the ability to build with stone. But all of the
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: brick is on top of the stone. It's on top
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: of these massive pyramids, right, So it doesn't it doesn't
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: make sense that the oldest stuff is at the top.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: So I started sort of questioning the history of Cambodia.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: I got into these light our results, which are really fascinating.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, they discovered entire unknown cities in Cambodia with
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: light ar so on top of the Koolan Mountains, which
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: is the plateau where they quarry all of the stone
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: for Anchor Watt, all the sandstone, there was an entire
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: massive city on top of that plateau that they had
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: no idea was there. There were pyramids, there were two
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: thousand acre reservoirs, there were mound fields, there were you know,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: massive causeways, and it was all just hidden under the
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: trees the jungle. So it's you know, in twenty twelve,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: sort of the cat was out of the bag in Cambodia.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: And what's interesting is that it should have made international headlines.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: You know, these spiral embankments that are a mile long
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: on the south side of Anchor Wat. Nobody knows what
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: they are. Nobody has a good explanation for what they are.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: Archaeologists say, you know, maybe it was a garden feature,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: maybe it was fishing. And in my mind, you don't
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: build mile long earthen embankments in a shape of a
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: perfect spiral, unless you have a very specific reason.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: For doing that. What do you think that reason was.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I you know, I'm starting to put
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: together a theory about I think it all had to
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: do with water. They were channeling water down from the
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: Cooon Mountains, which is about fifty miles away from Anchor Watt.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: They were channeling water down, building sixteen kilometer diversion channels,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: taking the water way out of the way, running them
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: through mound fields into these giant reservoirs. All of these
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: reservoirs have pyramids connected to them, and it's one system
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: after another of reservoirs with temples in the middle, pyramids
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: connected to the outside. It feels like a massive industrial undertaking.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: And I've gone back and forth. Does it have to
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: do with energy? Possibly, I personally think it had something
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: to do with how they were treating the water, like
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: if they could, if they could get it structured, maybe
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: right so that it was better for plants, better for people,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: better for animals, better for consciousness. There was a massive
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: undertaking happening there that that just isn't addressed at all
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: by archaeologists. Nobody's tying together these different systems and saying, gosh,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: that was a monumental undertaking. I wonder what they were
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: doing that for. It's all just rice farming, is the
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: official story.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: Can you show me that let light our image again?
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 4: I'm looking for more. I keep running into just the
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 4: scientific papers about it.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: They have the light our images that blocked away.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they've done a bunch of studies on this, and
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 4: there's some cool photos.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: But I'm trying to find, like, you know, can you
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: go back to the ones that we're just looking at though,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: that she provided, because I want to see the patterns. Yes, yeah,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: that okay? That perfect? Like so those features are weird,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: It's really weird.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: They're huge. They're a mile long and half a mile wide,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: like that yellow square, and that's symmetrical, and they're perfectly symmetrical.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: And this isn't the only place in Cambodia that has these, and.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: So we're probably looking at an intensely sophisticated civilization.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: Yes absolutely. I mean the moat you see dug in
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: the middle of that structure that was built during the
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: Khmer period, which is the civilization that all of this
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: is being attributed to. They're the ones that dug that
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: through the middle. So I don't even think they knew
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: that this was here.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: It was just completely covered.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they just dug right through the middle of it.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: And so this is probably really really old and people
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: have lived in that same place. Like, how graty that looks.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: That's almost razy.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: Every inch of ancient Cambodia is engineered. There's a site
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: called Coquare. It's about two hundred miles northeast of Anchor Watt.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: They discovered a seven kilometer long man made dam that
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: created a two thousand acre reservoir.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: Look at that.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they they didn't know that this was there, that's crazy.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: I was on a tour with Derek Olson last November
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: and we actually took the tour group out to the
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: corner of Anchor Watt and walked those mounds. And what's
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: interesting is when you're out there, you actually can't tell
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: that the mounds are there until you're kind of on
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: top of them, and then you look around and you're like, wow,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: I'm feet above the rest of the landscape. And then
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: you kind of keep walking because these things are thirty
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: feet across, so you keep walking and then suddenly you're
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: at the bottom of the landscape, so I don't think
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: that they knew it was there.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: Wow, it's so big that without light art, you're really
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: not going to get an understanding.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: So that picture. Yeah, so there's a good example of
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: the jungle canopy being kind of stripped away. This is
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: what it looks like from the air without.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: Light, so there's no way you would know. No.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: Wow, entire cities, seven kilometer long dams, huge reservoirs. They
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: didn't know about any of this until lighter came out.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: That's incredible.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: Trees are just grown back and.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: That's so dope. Look how awesome those roots. Look.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: That's the Laura Croft temple. It's oh really yeah, she filmed.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: Laura Croft was filmed at this temple.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: For real, for real, They actually let her film there
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: that movie. Yeah, Wow, pretty dope.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, URIs love it.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: That tree just overcoming the buildings. Amazing.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: They have their hands full in Cambodia with preserving these
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: temples because the jungle's actively tearing it down.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it looks like the jungles trying to consume it
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: with that tree. Absolutely like eventually it will ye Eventually
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: if more trees grow like that, it'll break down. All
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: the stone underneath that.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: The structures I believe are older, like the Pyramids, they're
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: a little bit more impermeable to these kinds of things.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: The newer temples, like the one you see on the screen,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: they just get ripped down, you know. It's it's a
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: little bit inferior construction. So it's newer. Obviously, I think
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: the Khmer actually built those, and so those just get
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: ripped down immediately by trees. But the really old stuff
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: that the pyramids, if you see photos when they excavated
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: it in like the nineteen twenties, they were fully intact.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: You were talking about the center of it, that it's different,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: that it looks older. Is there any clear images of
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: like what that looks like.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: If you of the Pyramids or of ankor.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: Watt Ankerwat the center.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: I don't think I have photos in that folder, but you.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: Can if you because you were talking about the difference
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: between the artiography.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you search the just the central towers of
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: anchor Wat, you're probably going to find images of that.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: The central it's so it's three layers that get higher
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: and higher as you get toward the middle of anchor Wat,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: and in the middle of it. It's very it's just
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: it's carvings that just blow your mind. And they're all
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: they're all spiritual in nature, which is something you see
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: all over the world. So in India where I just was,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: it was the same thing. The older structures it's spiritual imagery,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: and then as you move out to the newer structures,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: it's all war scenes. You know, you can see the
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: de evolution of human consciousness. Yeah, so these are from
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: the center of ankor Wat. It's deities, you know. It's
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: it's beautiful three D carvings. You can stick gum wrappers
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: through these, so they're they're fully enclosed. You can stick
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: a gum wrapper behind these stones.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: Whoa god, it's so pretty.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: It's so beautiful.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: And this is all this So that's so interesting that
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: the people that probably built it.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: First had no interest in war.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: No interest in war at least had a very enlightened perspective.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: It does support, you know, the idea of I know
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: you've talked about the Yuga cycles on this show, but
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: the idea of the of human consciousness having reached its
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: peak twelve thousand years ago and has just been slowly
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: devolving ever since. You can see that in the imagery
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: in some of these temples plain as day. So yeah,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of images of you know, war scenes
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: on the outer like all of the outer layers of
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: anchor watt, but in the middle it's totally different. Same
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: in India.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: Now, does anybody have an idea, like, does anybody have
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: a compelling theory as to when these were made that
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: like is backed by any kind of evidence or no.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: No, I mean you can look at carbon dating and
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: you can poke holes in the carbon dating all day long.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: So they'll carbon date wood samples. You know, these are
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: made of stone. You can't date stone. There's there's reconstructions
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: that have happened on all these sites that are brick,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: and then there's going to be there's wood doorways that
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: are put in, and they've carbon dated the wood, and
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: the wood in a lot of instances is coming back
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: older than the accepted date of the temple construction in general,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: which is a little bit problematic. So, like there's a
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: pyramid called Bokong, which is the oldest accepted pyramid in
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: Cambodia that one's dated to like eight hundred AD. The
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: wood samples in the repaired sections of Bokong are from
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: the six hundreds and they say, well, that's generally the same,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: you know, And so you have to ask yourself if
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: they were reconstructing and rebuilding these sites, say they were
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: doing that during the Khmer times. They were using bricks
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: and they were using wood to repair these sites. They
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: were doing that in six hundred AD. So how old
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: is the pyramid itself that they you know, they came
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: there and they repaired the pyramid. How old is that
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: core structure?
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and to assume that it's the same age is crazy.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: It's crazy.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: And it's a bit of a circular argument because they
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: dated temple based on an inscription, and then they look
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: at other temples that don't have inscriptions and they say, well,
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: this one looks a lot like this one, so they
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: placed it in the same time period. So just becomes
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: this big circular logic of all of it fits the
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: story neatly, you know, based on one inscription.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: That seems so silly. Yeah, really, it just doesn't make sense.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: It seems much more likely that there's a giant mystery. Yes, yeah,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: And especially when you look at the difference in the
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: artwork and the way it looks, we show me Jamie.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 4: They say that this one took three hundred thousand workers
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 4: approximately thirty years, and they never.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: Finished anchor what yeah, yeah, and.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 4: This as they also started it all around eleven six
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 4: eleven sixteen CE.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. So I was. I
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: was recently in India a couple of weeks ago, and
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: I saw something there that was the most impressive thing
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: I've seen with my own two eyes. It's called the
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: Bahu Bali Statue. I have photos in the India folder.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: It's a thousand tons, so it's as big as the
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: biggest destroyed structures or the biggest destroyed statues in Egypt.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: But it's still standing. It's in India. It's on top
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: of a mountain. It's made of granite. That's a person
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: WHOA at the bottom of it. Holy shit, it's made
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: of white granite. There's you know, the jury's out on
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: whether it was moved there, built somewhere else and moved there,
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: or whether this was built at the top of the
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: hill from living stone. But in my mind, this thing
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: is clearly machined. It's absolutely perfect. Those ears are five
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: and a half feet long.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: WHOA look at the lips and the fingernails and everything.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: How crazy the precision is.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: It's perfect. Look at the head. So these are all
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: photos I took while I was there. It stands. You know,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: it's sixty feet tall, it's a thousand tons, so it's
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: the largest standing statue on earth from ancient times.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: And where's the stone supposedly coming from?
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, the story is, and I actually think
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: I believe it. The whole mountain is granite and so
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: in order for this thing, So that's just it poking
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: out above the temple that's built around it. That's mad,
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: it's insane that, you know. The story is that basically
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: it was all leaves on his arm, that they built
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: it out of living stone, that it's still connected to
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: the mountain, and it kind of looks like that when
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: you walk around it. You can see this rough stone
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: at the bottom, but it looks very different than the
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: stone from the mountain itself. So this is a white granite, yes,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: so you can see how it almost looks like living stone.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: And I can't imagine how you could have erected that,
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: moved it to the top of this mountain. So I
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: personally believe that it was it was found you know,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: it was built there and it was connected a.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 3: Large stone that was there and they just went in
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: and chiseled the statue out of it.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: Yep, it represents bau Bali, which was the it's a
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: Jane statue and bau Bali was a man who achieved
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: enlightenment by standing still for a full year. So the
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: anton cobra hills at the bottom and then the vines
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: grew up around him. Oh so he is the picture
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: of enlightenment.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: So just just look at that image it How was
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: that built? I sat in front of this thing for
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: two hours, just entranced by it. And the beautiful thing
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: about the temples in India is they are all living temples,
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: so they're actively being taken care of by the community.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: They're active places of worship. They're not often the jungle
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: breaking down. They're being taken care of. And you know,
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: this looks like it was carved yesterday.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 3: And what timeline is this attributed.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: To about nine eighty a d.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: And why do they think that.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: Because of those very unsophisticated inscriptions at the base of it.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: Can I see those inscriptions? Yeah right there? Yeah, yeah,
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: not so sophisticated. They look really shitty.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: So they carved those around the base, and they said,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: I built this.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: Look how clunky those inscriptions are.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: This paragraph here on this thing I showed you about
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: Anger watt m hm. Shines a little light onto that. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: it's just like I'll let you read it.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 3: Buildings of temples by the Khmer kings was a means
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: of legitimizing their claim to political office and also to
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: lay claim to the protection and powers of the gods.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: Hindu temples are not a place of religious congregation. Instead,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: they are homes of the God. In order for a
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: king to lay claim to his political office, he had
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: to prove that the gods did not support his predecessors
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: or his enemies. To this end, the king had to
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: build the grandest temple palace for the gods, one that
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: proved to be more lavish than any previous temples. In
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: doing so, the king could make his make visible his
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: ability to harness the energy and resources to construct the temple,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: and assert that his temple was the only place that
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: a god would consider residing in on earth.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: Interestingly, in Cambodia, all of the pyramids were the first
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: structures claimed by the kings, So the first king built
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: the first pyramid. The second king built the second pyramid.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: So what I think they were doing is they were
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: going into this landscape and they were finding these incredibly
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: sophisticated pyramids, and just like that paragraph suggests, they said, Wow,
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: this is the coolest thing I can find around, and
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: they wrote their name on it, you know. And then
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: once all the pyramids were taken, then they started claiming
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: the berets. They started claiming the really nice temples, like
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: there's a temple called Bantier Sray, which is a red
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: sandstone temple. It's beautiful. It's one of the coolest places
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: I've ever been, you know. They they claimed all of
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: these places first, so all of the coolest stuff in
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: Cambodia is the oldest. And then once everything was claimed,
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: then they started building new ones like that Bayond temple
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: that you saw with the faces and the smaller stones.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: So that's what I think happened in Cambodia.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 3: Jamie. Can you go back once again to that giant
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: statue and the inscriptions on it. Those inscriptions are weird
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 3: because it's so shitty. Yeah, like, look how bad the
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: lines are, how squiggly they are and broken up.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: And there's another photo in there. Of the rest of
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: the inscriptions, they're even worse. I mean, these are actually
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: very nice compared to the ones that.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: Are, but not when you consider the grandness of the
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: actual statue itself. The statue is so spectacular.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look how they wrote it, just up
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: any space that they could find. They wrote their name there.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: But it looks entirely different than the rest of the statue.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: Right, it looks super clunky, Yeah, like it really does.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: It's a stark contrast.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: The toe on this statue is three feet long. The
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: ear is larger than most humans.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: That's so crazy, like looking at it, so it's so
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: it incredible. Imagine the time that it would take to
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: make something like this with chisels.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: Yes, and there was nothing else made like it.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: Not only that, Like, what are we talking about in
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: terms of metallurgy.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: Back then, Oh, hammers and chisels?
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well did they even have iron? Yeah? They they
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: had iron. So they had iron chisels. And this is
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: again was it nine nine.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: Hundred eighty God? And it's almost perfectly symmetrical.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: And you think it looks machined, I do.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: It looks very similar to the Egyptian statues. I have
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: some side by side photos in the folder.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: Focus on the neck, Jamie, go back to the neck,
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 3: because one of the things that was crazy about when
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: you saw the image of the neck, like look at
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: the lines. I know, like, what is that?
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: There's line similar lines like that on the large statues
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: in Cambodia, and there's similar lines like that on the
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: large statues in Egypt.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: Longer reminds me of Mount rush Didn't we make that
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: by hand or no?
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I think they used dynamite.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: I'm just scared. It's like that's the only thing I
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: might I can think of.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 3: No, that's true. Mount Rushmore is.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: Immense and this is white grantite, so this is an
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: extremely hard stone.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: What was Mount Rushmore? Mayne?
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: I don't have to look. I just just thinking of it.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: It's like we made that a thousand years later.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 3: That is true. That is true. But we did that
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: with machines. They had machines back then. Yeah, I mean
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: they had jackhammers. They had all kinds of stuff back then,
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: and these.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: Were civilizations that were at war, but somehow they found
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: the time to carve this.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: I just I'm wondering what those lines in the neck
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: are supposed to represent. The statue is so beautiful, isn't
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: it amazing? God, it's so incredible.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: Maybe they were going to make something and stopped.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, dope, that would be if that was in your backyard,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: I'd never get anything.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: You can see this thing from fifty miles away. It's
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: up on top of a mountain and it's at the
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: peak of the mountains. So from fifty miles in each
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: direction you can see this massive statue just staring serenely.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: So if you it's u Gomuch Schwara Bali Bali statue
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: of No. So there's a couple of different ones. This
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: one's the best one. That's the third picture to the right.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: One in the middle. Yeah.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: So yeah, that's a drone photo of it.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 3: One I was at.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: It is crazed, it's crazy, and it's the largest ancient
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: standing statue in the world. And very few people talk
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: about this thing.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: I've never even heard of it till today.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: Wow. So that was probably just a big ass rock
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: that was there and they chipped away everything to make that.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's two there's two options. One maybe it
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: was a big rock, but look how much would have
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: had to have been reduced and look at the stones
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: to the right. You can see how different they look
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: than the statue itself.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: Do you think it's possible that stone was moved there.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: I think it's possible it was moved there, not with
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: any technology we recognize today, but I think it's absolutely possible.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: It would have had to have been taken to the
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: top of this mountain, which is like six hundred and
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: fifty feet high and stood up. But even if it wasn't.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: Even if it was, and even it was a standalone
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: boulder like the ones you see below it, that's still
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: an extraordinary feat to carve that thing in almost perfect
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: symmetry in a way that looks very very machined.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 3: That's bananas.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So you climb the mountain, it's like six hundred
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: and fifty steps. You have to do it barefoot because
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: it's an active temple. On the way down it got
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: real hot.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: Oh you can't even wear socks.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: You can wear socks, but it's slippery.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: Oh, you gotta wear them grippy socks.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: I didn't think of that.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like for pilates.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow, it's it's an amazing place and it's still
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: the beautiful thing about it is. It's still just revered
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: as a holy site. So people the Jans take pilgrimages
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: there every twelve years. They have these major ceremonies where
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: they they pour milk and honey and things like that
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: over the top of it. They build a big scaffolding
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: so they'll climb up to its head and pour pour
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: these libations over the top of it, and it's it's
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: just being continuously worshiped. And when you sit up there
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: to get a little bit spiritual for you, you feel different.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: You feel like you're being healed. Like we had a
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: plane to catch and I didn't want to leave. We
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: sat in front of that. It was my brother and
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: I and we sat in front of it for as
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: many hours as we could before we had to go
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: catch our plane.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: Wow. Wow, what was going on back then? That's this
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 3: is the real big question, like what was the height
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 3: of sophisticated civilization ten twelve thousand years ago? What was
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: it really like? And how much information did we lose
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: because of the flood.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. What's interesting is if you look at Jane mythology,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: so they talk about these great half cycles that are
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: in calculate number of years, and they're they're called turf
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: and karas, so they're like the kings. The they're not kings,
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: they're like the enlightened ones of the period. The first
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: turth and Kara was Bababali was the son of that
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: enlightened being. He was described as being over a mile tall,
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: fully enlightened.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: He was described as millions of years old. And these
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: are their myths that go back to an incalculable amount
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: of time. And that's just in this half cycle, so
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: that they just described these major cycles of time, and
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: the images that they're building at the top of these
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: mountains are of these enlightened beings that are part of
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: these like ancient myths.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 3: Geez. You know when you go into their ancient scriptures
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: and you read about things like veimanas, like the flying crafts,
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: and you know, and we were talking the other day
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 3: how they had some sort of a description that seems
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 3: to sound like a nuclear bomb and you had to
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 3: use it for very specific reasons, and you had to
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: get authority to use it.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: And yeah, even do you know what a shiva lingam is? No,
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: in my Cambodia folder, there's some photos of it. So
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: in most of the Indian temples there's a shiva lingam
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: that's usually described as a you know, it's a male
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: component inside a female component, so it's meant to represent
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: both sides of the polarities. And they're at the entrance
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: of most of these temples, and they're small, they're maybe
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: like two or three feet long. But in Cambodia there
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: are giant shiva lingams. There are ones that are you know,
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: probably almost twenty feet long, and you can you can
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: see those sites like Coquete. You can see them at
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: the top of Pananbac Mount, which is right by one
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: of the big berets. In India, the hivaalingums are even bigger.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: If you go to the ancient texts and they talk
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: about these things, they describe them as infinite pillars of
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: light and fire. So are these sheavalingam, these giant shevlingams,
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: Actually they're not. I don't believe that they're what we
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: say they are today. I think that they were extremely powerful,
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: maybe a weapon, I don't think so, maybe an energy device.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: But if you look at modern day's stone work and
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: then you tie it into the old myths, you know,
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: that's when it becomes really really interesting to me. Yeah,
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: So that shavellingham that the man is standing on in
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: the top right photo that's at Hampy in India. These
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: are always surrounded by water. They're always in roofless shrines. This,
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: you know, very megalithic temples. The one in the bottom
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: right that's not Ai. That's a real photo of these
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: shiva lingams. That one's forty feet high, originally in a
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: roofless temple by large bodies of water. Were these actually?
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think that these were all something very
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: different than what we're being told today, which is just
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: you know, a spiritual carving.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 3: So you think this has something to do with energy,
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 3: and that's why they're surrounded by water.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean in the ancient texts, they're described as
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: an infinite pillar of light and fire. That's what a
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: normal shievelingam looks like that you see all over the temples.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: Right, which is just like a beautiful fountain.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: A very small version of these monumental ones that you
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: can find in Cambodia and India.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: That's very phallic looking.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: Yep. Yes, yeah, so go back to the big ones.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 3: An infinite source of pillar, pillar of fire and light.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 3: That's what they're described as Yes, what the hell is that? Like?
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: What what were they doing with these things? They always
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: face north, they're always in a roofless temple, always have
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: major water features next to them.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: Is how they made power?
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 3: Maybe applying electricity or something some kind of power.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: The myths suggest that there was something going on there.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: Well, this is the question that I always have when
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 3: you know, we when we think about technology, we always
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 3: think about in the context of what we understand currently,
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: and if you think of human beings, the way we've
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 3: progressed to get to where we are now is through
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 3: internal combustion engines and transistors and all these different technologies
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 3: that we're available that we have right now. There could
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 3: have been completely different direction that they went in and
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 3: achieved similar or more spectacular sophistication in this different direction. Yes,
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 3: and the idea that this is the only way to
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 3: go it's kind of crazy.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't have to be mechanical.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 3: Especially when this is a fairly sick society in terms
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 3: of our value system. And you know what we you know,
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 3: we're ma yes.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: Objectively, yes, mentally, physically we're as sick as we've ever been.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: It's the only reason our lifespan is increasing is because
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: we've overcome it with technology. Yeah, right, we're as sick
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: as we've ever been, as unhappy as we've ever been.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: I think that's part of the reason that the powers
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: that be don't want us talking about Golden ages.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: So, if you can convince civilization that, if you can
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: convince today's society that we are the best we've ever been,
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: life is as good as it's ever been, that's much
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: more palatable than we are as sick as we've ever been,
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: we're as unhappy as we do.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 3: I think that people are actively trying to enforce that
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: narrative because of that, or do you think they're just
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 3: reinforcing their own current beliefs.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: I think a little of both.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 3: I don't think they know. I think there's a lot
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 3: of these people that are these that are conventional archaeologists, conventions,
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: timeline proponents. I don't think they really study it all.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: I don't think they do. I think they try to
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: discredit some things, and they do it very disingenuously, like
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 3: some of the people that have gone after Graham Hancock.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: The things they say are really kind of crazy. But
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: I think they're doing it because they're trying to reinforce
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 3: their own closely held beliefs and this gatekeeping of information
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 3: being the person that's the expert, appeal to expertise in
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 3: an area where you have very little data. It's like,
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 3: you really can't be an expert in something that you
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: you know, especially like timelines of stone, Like how do
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 3: you know? You don't really know, right, you don't know, Okay,
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 3: so let's go from there.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: We don't know, that's an okay thing to say, or
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: I'm open to the possibilities.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 3: I don't think they're trying to promote it because they
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 3: think that we want to establish that, you know, human
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 3: beings today are sick and let's not pay attention to
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 3: an enlightened golden age when people were different and they
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 3: were concentrating much more in the spiritual aspects of human life,
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 3: and they had deities that were spectacular, and they had
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 3: technology that was above and beyond. I think I think
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 3: they're just not willing to entertain it, you know, I
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 3: think and again, I think that's like what they say
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 3: about science, and science moves on and progresses one funeral
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 3: at a time. Yeah, I think that's the case with
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 3: archaeology as well. I think there's a lot of these
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: people that just they have to go away, and then
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 3: the new people coming up, a lot of them are
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 3: watching YouTube, you know, a lot of them are reading
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 3: these papers. A lot of them are looking at the
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 3: work of Flibo BEYONDI that's underneath the pyramids. They're going, hey,
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 3: explain that, because you really can't, you know, and they're
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 3: trying to dismiss it so hard. But that technology is
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: like if you are trust the science, like you got
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: to trust the science, and that technology has proven that.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 3: Not only that, they use that technology to accurately get
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 3: the dimensions of things like that particle collider that's one
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: point two kilometers into a mountain. So if they have
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 3: that and they can use that in a known specific structure,
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 3: they know the dimensions of it and then they get
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: a reading that's the exact dimensions that specific structure. It's
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 3: because the technology works, right, but they don't want to
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 3: even entertain it because it's too crazy. Like if what
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 3: he's saying about what's underneath the pyramids is correct, the
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 3: whole timeline's gone. Everything's gone.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: It's like, okay, yep, you know, he just basically announced
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: that he discovered a second sphinx and if you look
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: at the layout of the Giza plateau, it actually makes
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: sense that a second Sphynx would be there. The structures
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: under the pyramid are very difficult to prove out because
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: you have to dig or excavate under the pyramid to
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: do that. The second Sphinx is, if it's there, is
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: simply buried by a pile of sand, So that would
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: be a very easy thing to dig out and to
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: prove Yes, Felipa BEYONDI is his his technology is showing
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: something that's actually there.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: What does the second Sphinx look like in the images?
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: He just had a conference in Italy, and his translated
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: version of his talk at this conference just came out,
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: I think yesterday or the day before, and he shows
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: these all of these scans that he's done from space,
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: and he kind of puts them together and shows the
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: shape of the structure that I'm seeing under the ground
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: looks a whole lot like the existing sphinx. And he
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: actually used AI and ran probabilities against his scans, and
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: so he went to groc and Google, Gemini and all
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: of the different ais and effectively said, if you look
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: at my data, what do you think the odds are
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: of a sphinx being under the sand, and AI came
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: back in almost every instance higher than eighty percent probability
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: that it is a sphinx based on the data that
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: he's showing. Wow, that would be incredible.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: That seems easy.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: And like I said, all you have to do is,
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: so when they excavated the tombs that are right next
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: to where BEYONDI believes the sphinx is, they took all
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: of the sand from those impiled it directly on top
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: of the sphinx, not knowing it was there. And so
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: you just need to move this sand out of the
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: way and dig down and you can prove what he's
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: whether it's there or not.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 3: Having people disputed that though, like aren't there some photos
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: where that mound didn't exist from like the nineteen thirties.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's when they excavated those tombs, they took
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: that sand and they piled it there. So initially, when
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: BEYONDI talked about this, like on Matt Bell's podcast, when
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: he announced this, people came out immediately and said, what
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: he thinks he's seeing is actually a modern pile of soil.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: But what he's showing is below that. In his scants
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: so I think it's a big opportunity for the people
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: in Egypt to go out do a little mission, dig down,
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: see what's there, and you can prove you know. Yes,
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: So the dream stella, all of these, a lot of
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: these different traditions talk about two sphinxes and the geometry
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: from the air, you can see where he believes he
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: found the sphinx. Geometrically, it looks very similar to where
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: the first sphinx was found in relation to the different pyramids. WHOA,
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: so yeah, so you know, I think it goes back to.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: That just talking about it everything I know.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 3: But they say it's false. Well, I love how they
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 3: say that viral claims of second buried Sphinx at Gizo
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 3: are false. Archaeologists say, well, how do you know if
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 3: you didn't dig, Yeah, how do you know? And again
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 3: also the sphinx was buried. This is like what's really important,
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: Like when Napoleon found it, it was burnt, buried, right,
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 3: so that was what what year was that? I don't
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 3: know what year's Napoleon seventeen's seventeen hundreds. I could see
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 3: the head though, right, yeah, that's it. Just that.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so if the entire Sphinx. Yeah, if the entire
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: Sphinx is varied, I guess my point is it's it's
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: very hard to prove his claims of what's under the pyramids,
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: because that's a look, there's a picture of that's a
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: real excavation in color.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 3: So I mean you could easily see giving a different
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 3: geographic layout, you know, different top graphical layout that if
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 3: the whole body could be covered. Well, if you're in
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 3: a different place and the sand comes in a different
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 3: way and it piles up even higher.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: It's on the west side of the Giza Plateau, the
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: current Sphinx is on the east side, and then you
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: have the two pyramids in the middle.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 3: So it is possible sand could have just covered that
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 3: over thousands and thousands of.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, and it would be easy to prove that it's there,
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: or that it's not, or that it's not, or that
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: beyond he's full of shit, or maybe he's not right.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 3: He might not be well. They have also found chambers
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 3: inside the Sphinx that they know are real, so chambers
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 3: that that are proven that they know exist. This technology
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 3: also shows them.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: And in beyond these new scans, he also shows cavities
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: inside that Sphinx really what he believes are Okay. So
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: it's really exciting and I think, you know, if you
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: think about where this field is going in the next
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: five or ten years, and think about the opportunities with
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: AI and all of this technology. Look what was uncovered
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: in Cambodia with light R. Look what's happening in Egypt
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: with scans from space. If you take AI and you
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: start to compile you know, I used to work for
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: a mining company, and mining companies use light AR, or
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: forestry companies or environmental companies, they all scan the earth
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: right with light R. If you could use AI to
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: compile all of the scans all over the world, imagine
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: what you could start to identify that nobody's identified before
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: as ancient structures. I think you could fundamentally change this
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: discussion the next five years just using AI and different
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: kinds of technology that we've never been able to do
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: in human history. We can we can translate untranslatable texts.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've seen that. I've seen what's really fascinating when
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 3: they do these scans of scrolls from Pompeii.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: Have you seen that the vesuvious Yeah, projects.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 3: Amazing, like they're completely wrapped and they're covered with ash
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: like and then there's they're super delicate, but they've been
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: able to use scans to actually read the text on
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: those scrolls.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: It's amazing, incredible, and there's an incredible amount of ancient
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: texts that have been untranslated. What is hidden in there, right,
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: you know, not just the languages that we don't know
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: how to translate, like wronga Wrongo script in Easter Island,
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: but translatable script that nobody's paid attention to, the thousands
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: of Sanskrit writings. What's hidden in there, right, you know.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: So I think it's a really exciting time to do
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: this work, and I personally believe in the next ten
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: years they're going to be extraordinary discoveries that I think
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: it's going to be very hard to argue that we
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: need to at least re examine our history.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, without a doubt, I think that's already the case.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 3: I think there's thanks to people like you and thanks
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 3: to people that are making these videos where you could
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 3: see this just it's just so puzzling. I mean, it
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 3: doesn't make the timeline doesn't make any sense, and also
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 3: doesn't make any sense in terms of like a linear
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 3: timeline of technology. It's like what were they using, Like
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 3: how did they move this stuff?
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: And why?
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 3: Why? Yeah?
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: Why why were they building these things? Why were they
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: building them where they were building them? Yeah, you know,
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: if you think of the earth like a human body,
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: were these sites built on the acupuncture points of earth?
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: They were built in highly energetic places. When you go
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: to these sites, you feel different. People describe spontaneous healings.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: I have different dreams when I visit these ancient sites.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: You know, I do a lot of meditations, and when
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: you meditate on top of a pyramid in Cambodia, you
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: drop in immediately, you know. So you are as a
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: human you're resonating with these sites in a way that
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: you don't when you're not at them. And so I
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: believe personally that they were building these sites in these
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: places for a reason.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: Well it makes sense. And the idea that different places
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 3: don't have different energy is just one of those things
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 3: that people like to say that we've got a clear
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 3: understanding of what energy is. And you know, what it's
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 3: different about these different places is just different geologies. Just
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 3: there's nothing special, Yeah, there's nothing, but we don't really
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 3: know that. There's so many things that we can't measure,
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 3: and we definitely don't understand why certain places have a
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 3: different effect on human beings. I mean just wilderness has
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 3: a different effect on human beings. It's you know, like
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 3: forest bathing, it's a real thing, like hugging trees actually
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 3: is good for you. Grounding walking barefoot on ground is
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 3: actually good for you. And we don't truly understand why.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 3: And there's something that in some way that we're connected
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 3: to the earth that we don't quite understand.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: Ye. Right after I left my corporate life, I did
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: a basically like a wilderness quest, so picture like a
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: Native American vision quest, where I spent four days on
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: the side of a mountain with no food, no tent, nothing,
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: just a journal and myself for four days with no food.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 3: Why did you do it?
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: Was?
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 3: It was?
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: It was because I needed to heal from the corporate
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: life that I had lived. I needed to recover any.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 3: Batter jobs, how batter jobs that it's better to have
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 3: no food and be sitting on a mountain for four
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 3: days to get your head straight.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: What I'll say about that experience is I think that
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: humans don't let themselves get completely silent any longer. So
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: what you're saying about nature healing you. You know, over
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: the course of three days, your body gets very and
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: the voices get a lot quieter, and suddenly, really the
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: only thing you hear is your soul or God or
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: whatever word you have for it. And you watch the
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: stars pass at night and you're sitting there all day
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: and it's it was one of the most special experiences
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: I've ever had.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 3: Did you bring water? What did you do? You have?
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: Basically like, you have three leads of water per day
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: that you hike into this area and you just sit
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: with the water and that's it. The last night of
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: it was really cool because what you're supposed to do,
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: it's it's it's meant to be a healing and kind
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: of rebirth.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: So the last night, you set up rocks in a
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: circle and you at sunset, you enter the middle of
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: the circle and you're you're keeping an all night vigil.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: So you're watching, you literally watch the constellations move all
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: night and you're supposed to try. I succeeded, but barely,
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: to stay awake until the sun comes up. And so
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: the idea is that you're entering as one person and
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: you're leaving the next morning as another person. And so
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: that the Native Americans with their vision quests, they're doing
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: it right. I think that we have completely lost our
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: connection and ability to tune into ourselves and to tune
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: into the earth. And you know, quests like that are
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: really amazing.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 3: Wow, And it's being blunted every day by phones and TVs.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: Five gs and just flipping through TikTok. You know. It's
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: it's different than sitting with yourself in complete silence, a.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 3: Complete polar opposite to corporate life.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: Yes, thank god, corporate life has its place, but.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well it has its place. I'm on an iPhone.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 3: Somebody's got to make a laptop totally.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: And people need to make a living, right.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, It's just there's other ways, not for everybody. I mean,
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 3: we need people to not get it so that they
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 3: keep working so we have stuff, yep.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: Exactly, or you know, at least to spend a portion
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: of their life doing that.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 3: And then, well, when you think about ancient civilizations and
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 3: how much time they spent in ritual and how important
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 3: these things were to them, and how they had this
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 3: very strange connection like a lot of these ancient structures,
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 3: particularly the Aztec structures and Egyptian structures. They mirror the constellations,
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 3: and so they had an understanding of their place in
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 3: this universe. They knew how to make these temples so
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 3: that the pillars the summer solstice, the some would part
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 3: through the middle of the pillars and light these corridors
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 3: like that. That's incredible sophistication. That's incredible planning. This understanding
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 3: of when the sun's coming up exactly. Yeah, the specific
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 3: time of the year was the longest day of the year,
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 3: to the knowledge that the sun's moving in the sky,
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 3: but it'll be back on this day, and this is
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 3: where it's got to be, So this is where we
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 3: have to build.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: And they encoded that in stone and they didn't miss.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 3: They didn't get it off by half a foot or
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 3: six inches. No, it's like right there, sun in the center,
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 3: right up the middle, Like how did you do that? Yeah,
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 3: how did you do that? You did that while you
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 3: were hunter gathering, Like what are you talking about? Bananas?
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: In the spring equinox, the sun rises exactly over the
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: center tower of anchor Watt perfect. They knew, they knew
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: exactly what was happening, and they built their structures around it,
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: which gets back to the y right, like, yes, how
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: did they build this? It's mind blowing? But why did
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: they build it? Why did they build it the way
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: that they did? Why did they build it where they did?
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: Isn't that incredible?
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 3: That is bananas?
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: Look at all the people just straight oh straight up
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: the east side.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 3: What are the odds? I mean, that's pretty pretty small
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 3: that you would nail it like that.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: You definitely get fired if you if you were off
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: a little bit.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 3: That is crazy. It's so crazy, it's so creation.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: Since we're really in tune.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 3: Right now, what was it like? I mean, how much
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 3: time do you spend thinking about what society must have
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 3: been like then? A lot?
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: Almost every day.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 3: I wonder what humans are like if we're not on
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 3: this path that we're on, you know, with propaganda and
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 3: gas lighting and technology and being inundated with just nonsense
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 3: all the time and wrapped up in materialism and brands
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 3: and bullshit and popularity.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: I think we're in touch with each other. I think
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: we're in touch with the earth. I think we have
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: a deep relationship with God. It's all of the things
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: that people are still searching for today. We just feel
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: fully disconnected from it. And I think that's why these
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: ancient sites are so appealing to people, you know, why
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: people travel all over the world to see them. It
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: creates a sense of wonder and awe in us that
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: very few other things do.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I'm really fascinated by the Mayan civilization
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 3: and the timeline of them, because that's another one that's
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 3: really weird. Yeah, Like, the Mayan structures are so strange.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 3: That's the only place that have been The only ancient
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 3: place I've been is chichen Itza. And when you're walking around,
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 3: you just go, what were these people like? Like, what
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 3: was it like living here?
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: Were you there when you could still climate? Yes?
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. We went in the nineties. Yeah, no,
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 3: maybe early two thousands, yeah, early two thousands, and it
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 3: was stunning. It's weird. It feels weird.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of ancient stuff in Mexico. Yeah, the
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: ole Mech things are really mysterious. The Mayan structures, they're
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: myths there. You know, it's it's old in southern Mexico.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 3: Well, how about the Aztec stuff where they didn't even
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 3: make those temples. That's what I didn't know. I didn't
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 3: know that until fairly recently.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: I mean it's no different than the Kamara and Cambodia.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but at least they said it. Yeah, they said
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 3: these are the place where the gods were born. That's
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 3: how they described it. So we attribute those temples to
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 3: the Aztecs, but they were like, nope, they were already here. Okay,
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 3: well but.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: Then who the Incas say the same thing in Peru.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: We didn't build these. These were already here, but we
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: don't listen to them, like, you guys don't know what
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: you're talking about. People wrote myths, those are just stories.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 3: One of the things we talked about the other day
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 3: was that there's a bunch of different cultures that have
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 3: a timeline of the kings where they ruled for thousands
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 3: and thousands of years, Like one king ruled for thousands
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 3: of years, and then you have the flood, and then
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 3: you have the ages of these people drops off pretty
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 3: radically and then becomes a normal age like human beings.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 3: And we look at that and we go, oh, that, well,
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 3: that's just myth back then until it's history and it's
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 3: the same text like in this same depictions of these
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 3: kings where they have accepted dates, you know, the five
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 3: thousand year ago, four thousand year ago kings. Well, yeah,
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 3: that guy was real. Yeah, but these other ones that
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 3: lived for thirty six hundred years, No, that's not real.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: Same with the Jans, like I was talking about earlier,
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: there are twenty four truth and karas. All twenty four
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: have lived according to the Jains, but archaeology has only
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: recognized the last two of them because those are the
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: only you know, the timelines and their life spans that
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: kind of fits. But when you talk about the way
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: back days, that's just myth.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 3: What do they say their timelines were?
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: Oh that, I mean millions of years and the you know,
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: the first tarth and Kara was over a mile tall.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, you know. So that it's just but
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: it's consistent across the world. The Jans talk about it,
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: the Hindus, the Egyptians, the Sumerians, all the Bible, all
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: of them talk about very long life spans, giant statures.
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: You know. Is it is it coincidence that all of
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: our ancient myths talk about the same things or might
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: it have been true?
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Well then there's the Book of Enoch, which is
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 3: Anna Pauline a Luna turned me onto that. She's like,
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 3: you got to read that, and I've read it twice
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 3: now I'm like, this is the most bizarre depiction of
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 3: a human story. The Watchers came down and mate it
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 3: with the daughters of men and created the Nephelim, who
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 3: were giants who destroyed and consumed everything and were wiped
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 3: out by the flood.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: What and the accepted biblical texts barely hinted that they
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: still talk about it, But the extra biblical canon talk
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: the stories are much more like the Book of Enoch.
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 3: Yea.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: You know, there's a reason I think that those were
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: excluded from the Bible.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 3: Well, they were excluded by rabbis, I know, because they
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 3: didn't jive with the Torah, which is hilarious, Like you
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 3: get to discover they all were in the same caves
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 3: and cumron, Like the version of the Book of Enoch
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 3: was in the same as the Book of Isaiah. They
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 3: were all in the same scrolls. Yeah. I was just like, what,
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 3: how do you guys leave this out? Like you imagine
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 3: if they taught that at church on Sunday, he'd be like,
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 3: what are you saying?
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, David and Goliath, the Watchers. I think
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: it's interesting that you can totally accept that David and
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: Goliath is a real story. And Goliath was a giant
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: in the Bible.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah right, how was he supposed to be there? Couldn't
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 3: it be like a really big guy from Iceland?
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: I think he was described they described the way that
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: the Hebrews described it is that they made them feel
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: like grasshoppers. The giants, the Knuphalom made them feel. You know,
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: they were like we are as if we are grasshoppers.
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: So I think that they were meant to be very,
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: very large.
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 3: It would be really nice if they found a big
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 3: foot somewhere.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: Oh my, I love bigfoot.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 3: Not a big foot, not the adam be like a
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 3: giant foot, like a stove exactly. Yeah, David and Goliath.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 3: So who's supposed to be ten feet tall? Often calculators
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 3: roughly nine to ten feet tall. The thing about that
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 3: is like, you know, people are full shit and they
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 3: can make up a story. The guy was so big,
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 3: he was ten feet tall. But meanwhile, he could have
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 3: been like the mountain from Game of Thrones, like a
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 3: real person.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: Six and a half feet Any of our basketball players today.
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 3: Who says he was six and a half feet tall?
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 3: Scholars the Dead Sea scrolls, so six cubits and a span.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 3: Often calculators roughly nine to ten feet tall. In the
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 3: ancient Hebrew text Greek and Dead Sea Squirrels texts say
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 3: four cubits and a span, So that's only six and
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 3: a half to seven and a half feet tall, depending
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 3: on how the cubit was defined. So that makes sense.
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: So who knows nine to ten is pretty big?
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, nine ten is big, but if the dead Sea
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 3: Squirrels are correct, then it's only six and a half feet.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 3: So he's a basketball player. Yeah, you know, that's not
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 3: even a really tall one. Yeah, you know, there's's the
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 3: biggest basketball player. Now, how tall are they?
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 2: There's a kid that's like fourteen, that's almost what he's
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 2: going to make it to the NBA or anything.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 3: But just, oh my god, that's so crazy. That's so big.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 3: So you got to imagine. But you got to imagine
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 3: with technology. So they're working right now in life extension technology,
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 3: and they've already figured out a way to reverse the
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 3: age of skin cells, and they're on their path to
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 3: being able to stop human aging and maybe potentially even
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 3: reverse it if that technology becomes implemented.
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 2: Je twenty years old, though he's actually playing basketball.
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 3: But JeOS So he's bigger than Goliath by a lot.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 3: Goliathe talks about him right, story about it. He got
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 3: his ass keke by a basketball player. But if you
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 3: can imagine this technology being implemented in the future and
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 3: then being refined and then getting to a point where
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 3: they really have it to you know, like like we
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 3: have with so many medical interventions that we have today,
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 3: you could get to a point where someone could live
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 3: to a thousand years or several thousand years. And if
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 3: you're the king, of course you're gonna want that technology.
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 3: And you're also going to be very protected, so you're
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 3: you have to worry about dying in other ways unless
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 3: somebody usurps you. Yeah, so you can like the Sumerian
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 3: Kings List and some of these, like the zep Teppy List,
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 3: you look at that and you go, what what are
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 3: they saying? Like why was this guy six thousand years old?
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 3: How did he rule the country for thirty thousand years?
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 3: That sounds insane, but it doesn't sound insane if they
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 3: master biological aging, which is not impossible. It's not impossible.
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 3: Not only is it not impossible, they're actively working on
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 3: technology that's going to allow that to happen in our lifetime.
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 1: You think it's going to happen in our life? Yeah, yeah,
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: the human quest for immortality.
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't think that's gonna happen, But I think
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 3: you're going to extend life. You're going to extend biological
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 3: life in a signific get madder, and maybe for the
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 3: sake of looking at things through rose colored glasses. Maybe
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 3: that's a good thing. Because one of the things about
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 3: humans is we barely have enough time to figure out
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 3: how much of life is bullshit while you're wrapped up
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 3: in it. And then if you have responsibilities, you get married,
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 3: you have a family, you have a mortgage, you have
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 3: a bunch of there's no time to recognize how fruitless
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 3: a lot of your thinking and behavior, and how stupid
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 3: a lot of the things that people concentrate on. But
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 3: as you get older and older, you get better at it.
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 3: I'm way better at it now than I was twenty
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 3: years ago, way better, way better at life. I would
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 3: imagine them to be better still twenty years from now,
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 3: unless I'm decrepit, So twenty years from now I could
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 3: be all worn out, and like you know, my back
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 3: hurts are cut off, my lawn. You know, you get stupid.
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: Not in my backyard, right, you get goofy.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 3: You get goofy because you get old and sad and
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 3: you know you're not healthy anymore. But if you were
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 3: eighty years old and healthy, like a healthy thirty.
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 1: Years old, you're why is at that point?
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Well then you have immense amount of life experience totally.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 3: And then if you live on under one hundred years
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 3: on top of that, you Oh my god, I was
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 3: so stupid when I was eighty. Back when I was eighty,
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 3: I thought I had it nailed. But now that I'm
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty, now I see.
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: The question is if your lifespan is expected to be
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 1: two hundred years, then do you work until you're one
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 1: hundred and sixty? So does it just expand the stages
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 1: that we're all going through now and you just work longer?
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 3: Well, it depends on what work is. So if work
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 3: is your love, why not? Right totally? If yeah, it
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 3: really depends on what work is. So if it's hard labor,
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 3: that doesn't sound fun. I don't want to be an
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 3: eight hundred year old roofer. It seems like, jeez, my hands.
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: Are so we're going to live to twelve hundred years.
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 1: You've still got a long retirement.
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 3: Well, I think retirement's out the window if you can
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 3: stay healthy, because the whole idea of retirement is like,
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 3: why are we retiring. We're retiring because we hate our jobs. Okay, well,
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 3: maybe if you loved your job, you wouldn't want to
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 3: retire totally. You know, George Carlin died on the road,
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 3: died in a hotel room, I think in Las Vegas.
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 1: You know, you hear lots of stories of people working
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 1: their entire careers, retiring and then promptly dying. Oh yeah,
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 1: within six months. They have a heart attack and they die,
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 1: and they had all these big plans and they just
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 1: never see them through.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah. They just feel like the end is near and
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 3: that the creeping doom, the existential angst in the back
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 3: of your head is probably contributing to a lot of
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 3: your decay. Yeah, because you've kind of like checked out.
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 3: You know, that happens a lot with spouses. You know,
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 3: the husband dies and the wife dies shortly thereafter. My grandparents,
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 3: my grandmother died and my grandfather died within a year.
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, that's what happens when the woman dies first, Yeah, yeah,
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 1: it's so much harder for the man to live without her,
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 1: is it, Yeah? I think so.
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 3: Why is that?
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you think of all the old widows,
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 1: you know, the women live. My grandpa died fifteen years ago,
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 1: and my grandma's ninety three. She's still living. She's still going.
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 3: That's interesting.
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 1: So she knew how to cook for herself and clean
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 1: and things like that. But had it been reversed, I'm
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 1: not sure that he would have lived that long.
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 3: Maybe. So it depends on the relationship. I've seen a
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 3: lot of relationships with older couples where the woman becomes
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 3: like the caretaker.
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 3: I think dudes get dumb or quicker when they get older,
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 3: no comment, they just worn out by the time they
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 3: hit eighty. You know, a lot of times the wife
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 3: tells them things like Okay, you got you're right, you're right,
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 3: and then they just like fall into that role where
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 3: the wife is in charge of everything.
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 1: Have you seen the stats of the expected lifespan of
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 1: a man that's married versus not married, No, Jamie, I
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 1: don't know these off the top of my head, but
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 1: they've done studies that talk about basically the lifespan extension
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 1: that happens with men when they have a woman in
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 1: their life.
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 3: Is it longer?
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 3: Interesting. Yeah, Well then when there's no woman, then it's
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 3: filled with cocaine and hookers. So that exactly takes.
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 1: Years off your life and lots of burgers and beer.
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 1: You know, you're not eating a salad, right.
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 3: It's loneliness. It's worse than cigarettes smoking. They found that totally. Yeah,
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 3: loneliness is like one of the worst things that can
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 3: happen to people. And it you know, really the term
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 3: spirituality is it's kind of tainted in a lot of
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 3: ways because there's a lot of goofy people that use that,
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 3: like I'm not religious, but I'm spiritual. It's the term unfortunately,
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 3: has like a stink to it. Yeah, but there is
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 3: a connection that we have to each other that's not
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 3: as simple as we would like to think, like we
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 3: need each other. We need each other in very profound ways,
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 3: and it's it's actually important for our survival. Yeah, and
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 3: that's why the worst thing they could do to you
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 3: in prison is put you in solitary confinement.
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 1: We are a pack cannibal.
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, We're supposed to be connected to each other,
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 3: and it's not a preference thing. That's why when someone
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 3: says like I'm a lone or I'm like okay, well
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 3: either you're the only one that's like that, or your
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 3: full shit or you like you want to pretend you're mysterious,
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 3: you like to be alone, like like we attribute strength
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 3: to that, like, oh, he doesn't need anybody.
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 1: It's so hard now to build your tribe. You no
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 1: longer live where your grandparents and your parents lived. You
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 1: are out there on your own. You're spending hours on
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: your phone. You have a community that you feel like
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 1: is a community, but it's not. You don't have you
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 1: don't have a tribe anymore.
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And then people find their own tribes and usually
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 3: they're political. Yeah yeah, they get ideological or religious.
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 1: You know, you want to fit in yeah yeah.
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's what we do. I mean, that's why
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 3: when you see so many people that are religious devotees,
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 3: like why are they willing to do that? Why are
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 3: they wanting to wear those clothes? Why they willing to
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 3: act that way? Well, it's because everyone's doing it and
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 3: you want to be a part of it, and there's
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 3: like some good feeling of community to where everyone's kneeling
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 3: at the same time and saying the same things. There's
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 3: something to that that like's very profound totally with human beings,
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 3: and if it's directed in the wrong way, it could
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 3: be incredibly destructive. But it's directed in the right way,
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 3: if it's real ceremony and real worship and real openness
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 3: to the cosmos and to God and to spirituality, like
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 3: real true understanding, real connection with the universe, then it's
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 3: probably a lot better than the way we're doing it.
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 1: I think that's why the psychedelics are coming back in
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 1: such a huge way. It's it's people accessing that part
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 1: of themselves that have been shut down their whole lives.
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up, because I think
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 3: that's the missing element and I think that's what probably
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 3: was very prevalent in the ancient times. And this is
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 3: the work of Brian Murr Rescue. I'm sure. Do you
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 3: know about his stuff the immortality Key?
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yes, I did so.
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 3: He I actually got super fortunate that my family and
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 3: I were in Greece when he was going to be
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 3: in Greece, and so I got a tour of Ilyssus
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 3: with him. He took me there and he showed me
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 3: all the different places, and it feels so strange. It
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 3: feels so strange, like you're standing in the place where
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 3: these people had these Itucinian mystery ceremonies and it just
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 3: feels weird. Like my family got a little weirded out
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 3: because I was like holding on to it.
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 1: I was like standing good.
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 1: Good, like like a connection.
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 3: It felt fucking strange like I was holding on I was.
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 3: I had my hand on this wall, and my daughter
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 3: was like, hey, okay, I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine.
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 3: I'm just I don't want to talk right now. I
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 3: just want to like sit here and try to soak
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 3: this in. Like his daddy upset, like no, no, no, no, none,
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 3: is that because your dad's just like holding a rock.
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 1: It's a little destabilizing for a child.
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 3: I know, Like okay, they thought it was cool too,
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 3: but you know it's hard when you're thirteen or twelve,
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 3: it's hard to like go, oh my god, what a
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 3: special place. They're like, yeah, old old stuff. What are
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 3: we eating?
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 1: Rocks? Cool?
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 3: Like we took him to the museum in Athens, and
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 3: one of my daughters loves museums. The other ones couldn't
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 3: be bothered. She's like a board by it all. But
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 3: I was like, this is crazy, Like these people lived
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 3: two thousand years ago and they made this stuff like
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 3: Johann Nuts. This is like how did they do this?
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 3: Like what were they doing? Like what was this society? Like?
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 3: Like this is to be able to just see the
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 3: work of people that they've left behind and just imagine
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 3: the amount of time has taken place, and then you
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 3: put yourself back into that timeline and we just assume
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 3: that this way that we are, this is how people are,
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 3: because this is how people are today. It's so hard
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 3: to put your mind into like what it's like and
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 3: what it must have been like to live back then.
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 1: If you go to places earlier this year, I went
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 1: to Easter Island and Peru, and both of them are
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 1: described as the navels of the world, you know, so
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 1: they have these these origin myths in both of these places.
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 1: And when you're in these places, you have different dreams,
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 1: You sleep really well, you feel just good, you feel
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 1: like you're on peptides, you know, you just feel like,
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I feel so healthy, I feel healed.
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 1: And so the land itself where they built a lot
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 1: of these ancient places is powerful, you know. I don't
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 1: think it's a coincidence that we see the Moai and
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 1: Easter Island built around this absolutely incredible place, or Cusco,
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 1: which is such a beautiful place that you see these
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 1: stone walls. I think that they built there because of
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 1: the energy that was there already.
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 3: What do you think was before that? And like what
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 3: is this timeline? How far does it go back? Like
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 3: what is the origin of sophisticated civilization? Like what is
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 3: the year? When does it all start happening?
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 1: I wonder sometimes if the purpose of building structures like
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 1: that is so people like you ask those questions. That's
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 1: the whole point is to is to blow our minds
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 1: and get us to think about consciousness and the history
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 1: of our species. The fact that we're sitting there having
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 1: this conversation is because of the stones that were built
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 1: who knows how long ago, And maybe that was the point.
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 3: It certainly could have been a part of the point,
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 3: because what we're doing today when we talk about our
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 3: society being sick and superficial and silly, all of our structures.
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 1: Are temporary and they're ugly.
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 3: Well, some of them are cool looking. I think some
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 3: of the cool some of them, Yeah they're cool. They're
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 3: certainly not anchor wat cool. Yeah, you know, they're cool.
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 3: But the point is like they're all essentially temporary. One
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 3: thousand years from now, none of them will exist. They
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 3: will all be absorbed by the Earth. And that's hard
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 3: for people to understand. If you're walking through Manhattan, you're like,
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 3: this is always be Nope, nope, nope, it won't. It won't.
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 3: If everybody's just left, yeah, and you came back five
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 3: thousand years from now, they wouldn't be shit here.
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 3: So that it leads me to this question the timeline
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 3: that we're looking at. If you're looking at pre flood timeline,
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 3: you know, eleven twelve thousand years ago, things are sophisticated.
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 3: Maybe it's way longer than that, because if you have
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 3: one hundred thousand years of super sophisticated civilization, what does
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 3: that look like? What do people look like then? And
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 3: this is one of the things that people are proposing
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 3: when they look at anatomically modern human beings, So anatomically
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 3: modern human beings and then not these Peru skulls, but whatever,
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 3: just you and I are. They've pushed that back now
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 3: to one million years. So okay, why did it take
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 3: so long before people just like you and I figured
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 3: out agriculture, figured out civilization, figured out cities.
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 1: What were we doing now?
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 3: What was going on? And is it possible that it's
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 3: just when you go back that far, you don't find anything.
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 3: You don't find anything that seems more likely to me.
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 3: And when you look at the immense erosion that Ben VN.
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 3: Kirkwick has pointed out to the really the older stones
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 3: in Egypt where you can clearly see they've built on
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 3: top of them on the outside. I mean, you see
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 3: this intense erosion, like this is tens of thousands of
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 3: years of erosion. Well, what if it's a one hundred thousand,
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 3: what the fuck is left? What if it's two hundred thousand.
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 1: What's left from one hundred thousand years ago? Maybe some stones,
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 1: myths and spiritual traditions or ten thousand years ago. That's
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 1: the only thing that makes it through cataclysms, the human stories,
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 1: spiritual traditions, and these megalithic stones and.
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 3: A real cataclysm. If you're talking about the destruction of
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 3: civilization itself, how many of those people even know the stories,
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 3: how many live? How many scholars survive the apocalypse? How many?
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, we know that seventy thousand years ago the
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 3: Toba volcano, the supervolcano wipe people out down to the
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 3: point with less than one hundred thousand people on Earth,
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 3: just seventy thousand years ago, right, one hundred thousand people.
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 1: But we have been on the brink so many times.
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 3: Can you imagine like one Eagles football game, right, take
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 3: that crowd, that's the entire population of Earth now right,
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 3: one packed ut game. That's everybody on Earth, and now
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 3: we have to branch and go to China and go
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 3: to Africa and go everywhere. That's all the people on Earth.
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 1: That just shows how amazing and resilient we.
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 3: Are, yeah, and also fragile, you know. And also it
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 3: really it really shines a light on the preposterous nature
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 3: of the conventional timeline. It really does, because it's like, look, guys,
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 3: there's so much evidence that there's holes in the story.
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 3: At what point in time do you stop and say,
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 3: a lot of these people did great work, and they
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 3: made these conclusions based on the understanding that they had
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 3: at the time. But as time has gone on, there's
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 3: come a point where we have to reevaluate this, and
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 3: if you don't reevaluate it, you can lose all the
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 3: respect of the people that are paying attention, because there's
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 3: too many people that are looking at this and saying, hey,
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 3: no one's discounting or discrediting your work. No one's saying
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 3: you're a bad person, you know, no one's saying you're
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 3: an idiot. It's like, this is what we knew back then.
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 3: But to say that this is all we know, and
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 3: any new information, as profound as it might be, like
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 3: one point two kilometer structures underneath the Great Pyramids, like
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 3: that doesn't mean that you're an idiot. It just means
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 3: that this is an ongoing thing. It's not done. Yep,
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 3: we haven't figured it out yet, and we're not going
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 3: to for a long ass time. This is a long trek.
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 3: And as light are improves, and as the radio tomography
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 3: and all these different things that they come up with,
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 3: and then imagine the advance is ten twenty thirty years
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 3: from now in their ability to look like, look at
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 3: sub Saharan Africa. Very little expedition has been done there
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 3: and they're like, what.
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 1: Let's light our sub Saharan Africa.
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 3: There's whales there.
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 1: I've seen the whales. Whales, yeah, okay, so you're incredible.
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 3: What the fuck you find whales in the desert? Okay?
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 3: What else is out there? Is there a city under
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 3: all that shit? Like? What is that?
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 3: What what is in there? You know?
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 1: What's funny though, You can reveal cities under the jungle
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 1: and nobody talks about it, right, you know they they
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 1: just did that in Cambodia, and it's not headline news
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 1: around the world that their entire cities being found in
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 1: the Amazon jungle or in Cambodia. It just is one
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 1: quick headline and then everybody ignores it.
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 3: Well, it's good for us because it gives us great
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 3: podcast content, like this's the only way people can find
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 3: out about it. And again it's science. The light ar
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 3: scans of the Amazon are spectacular, incredible, and you look
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 3: at it and you go, oh my god, there was
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 3: probably millions of people living here. This is not like
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 3: a bunch of tribal people that are shooting bows and
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 3: arrows all the time.
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 1: They are engineering the rainforest.
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 3: Ah ah. And it's just the fact that more people
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 3: aren't talking about this is a little stunning to me.
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 3: But I just think they don't get informed. And then
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 3: they also assume, you know, you see some YouTube headline
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 3: that's got big fancy font and you know people are
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 3: older than we think, like I'll go on, I went
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 3: the Cambridge.
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 1: Fuck off, and you have a lot of AI stuff
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 1: out there that's just complete bogus. Yeah, so you know,
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 1: it's hard to know what.
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 3: The truth is sure. And then there's a lot of
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 3: weird stuff like the Sage Wall in Montana. I've watched
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 3: some videos on that. I'm not convinced. I think that
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 3: might be a weird geological formation. Yeah, but it doesn't
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 3: look like it. Parts of it really look like it.
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 3: Stack stones.
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 1: I think that. You know, during the Ice Age in
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 1: North America, it was an extremely harsh time with walls
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 1: of ice. Right, so if the Younger dry has happened
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 1: the way that I believe it happened, North America would
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 1: have been just almost wiped clean.
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 1: If so, if there were ancient structures here, they probably
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 1: didn't survive the way that they did in Egypt and
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 1: other places like that.
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 3: Certainly not under the glaciers I just found. Would you
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 3: find I see the middle of the desert here. Yeah,
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 3: I'm going to zoom in desert desert, desert, desert, desert
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 3: right right until whoa.
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 2: An ancient fortress?
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 1: How old is it?
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 3: Draw say it is?
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 2: No one knows what it is?
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 3: What?
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they don't they assuming that maybe UH as a
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 4: hiding place for Jews when they're being persecuted and taken
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 4: out of there. But according to this no explanation, it's
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 4: just in the middle of the desert.
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 1: Whoa, whoa.
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 2: Just look at the dunes. I don't know if it
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 2: didn't just.
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 3: Blown up, imagine deciding to build there.
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 1: Why did they build one?
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 2: Else is around it? And you know what's hiding underneath
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 2: next to it?
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 3: God, what did it look like when it was first built?
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 3: And what is it? Made out of? Sand stone?
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 1: It said sand and clay, which means it's probably it
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 1: probably is newer.
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, just hiding under the desert and then in the
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 4: middle of nowhere and no one. I've never heard of
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 4: it being brought up on here by anybody.
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 1: One big sandstorm and that thing's gone right buried.
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 3: Look at all the sand. Well the crazy thing is
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 3: think that that sand was all jungle and before that
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 3: it was ocean.
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 3: It's it's so insane.
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 1: Seeing the whales in the middle of the desert is
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 1: a surreal experience.
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 3: Surreal. Have you seen him in person? Yeah? Oh yeah,
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 3: what is that?
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 3: How close they let you get?
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, you just walk right up to them. There's just
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 1: like little rocks on the ground outlining the skeletons. Yeah wow,
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 1: but it's you know, when we were driving out there,
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 1: they were they had securities concerns, so we had a
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 1: security car in front of ours than ours and one
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 1: behind us.
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 3: Look how Bonker's that is.
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like dragons. It's just otherworldly. It's so neat,
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 1: it's so crazy. It's a long drive though, it's like
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 1: a whole day.
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 3: Well, the dragons thing is a weird one. Yeah, because
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 3: this is one of the things that the view made
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 3: fun of me of he said he believed in dragons,
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 3: was saying that, so I played I changed all of
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 3: the headings of my social media account dragon believer, because like,
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 3: that's so funny.
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 1: But you and millions of other people around the world,
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 1: and almost every ancient civilization believed in dragons.
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 3: It's very odd. It's very odd that they all have
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 3: this story of these ancient serpents. But also they were
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 3: really bad at their depictions of actual things. And one
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 3: of the things that I pointed out to Jamie was
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 3: when I visited Italy a few years ago, I went
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 3: to this really old church and they had this stone
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 3: mosaic artwork that was of Noah And was it Noah
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 3: in the Whale? No Jonah Joan and the Whale. I
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 3: think that's what it was. But this whale does not
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 3: look like a whale. It looks really weird. It's this
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 3: really weird looking thing that's supposed to represent a whale.
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 3: Why because they never saw a whale, So like they're
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 3: they're making their own version of what.
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 2: A whale story?
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, see if you find that. I know it's
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 3: on my Instagram, super old. I think it was probably
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 3: ten years ago. But whatever the fuck that is, Like, Okay,
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 3: that's how they that's it. Like, look at that thing
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 3: in that dope.
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 1: That doesn't look like a whale right at all? Right,
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 1: but looks like a griffin.
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it looks like some kind of a monster that
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 3: was in the ocean. So this is like their version
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 3: of describing what a whale looks like. Right, So when
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 3: they're describing dragons, like what are they really describing? Do
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 3: they actually fly, or are we talking about like crocodiles, Like,
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 3: what are we talking about? Are we talking about like
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 3: some sort of extinct dinosaurs that survived and then you
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 3: know they only made it for a few thousand years ago,
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 3: because there's things that we know existed during the human
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 3: timeline that they just don't exist anymore. They went extinct,
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 3: you know, giants, loths, for instance. There's a bunch of
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 3: North American animals sixty five percent in fact, of all
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 3: North American megafauna didn't make it after the younger dries impact.
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 3: So what is the serpent? What is the dragon? Like?
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 3: Why is why did China have one? Why does Japan
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 3: have one? Why does Eastern European have one? Why does
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 3: so many ancient cultures talk about this one specific thing
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 3: and the Bible references it like thirty four times.
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 1: What's interesting, though, is in most of the ancient civilizations,
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 1: the serpents or the dragons are meant to be guardian figures, right,
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 1: so they were presented in a positive light, they weren't evil.
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 1: But in the Bible, the serpent is actually the trickster,
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 1: you know. So it's one of the only traditions in
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 1: the ancient world where the serpent is. It suggested that
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 1: the serpent is evil in Eve in that depiction, you
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 1: know he tricked Eve. Yeah, But in front of all
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 1: of the temples in Cambodia there are giant naga, which
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 1: is like the seven or nine headed snakes, and they
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 1: guard the liminal space between the outside world and the temples,
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 1: so that that's their purpose right there. When you see
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 1: a naga, it means you're entering, you're entering a temple,
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 1: you're entering the zone of the gods. So it was
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 1: always positive except for in ancient Christianity.
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 3: HM.
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 4: The King James version is a version that says the dragon,
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 4: but it's probably a translation issue.
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 3: Maybe interesting so sea monster serpent translated in many modern
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 3: versions as jackal, sea creature or monster, depending on the context.
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 3: But dragon often renders Hebrew terms like tannin, which is
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 3: a sea monster a certain interesting.
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 1: Fire breathing reptiles.
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 3: But it's just like, what were they like, why were
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 3: there so many versions of this? Was that a real thing?
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 3: And is it a real thing from eleven thousand years ago?
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 3: Is it realing from twenty thousand years ago, fifty thousand
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 3: years ago? And again when it comes to the fossil record,
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 3: like how much evidence would there be of that thing existing? Right,
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 3: They didn't even find dinosaurs until like what seventeen hundreds.
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 1: Or something, right, Yeah, whenever it was.
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 3: And then there's a lot of people that think dinosaurs
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 3: are fake.
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 2: Which is fun.
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 1: There's all sorts of rabbit holes you can go down.
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 3: It's a fat fun. Well, they have a point in
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 3: that a lot of what you go to see in
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 3: the museum is not an actual dinosaur skeleton.
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 1: It's a recreation totally.
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because the actual skeletons are probably somewhere else. That
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 3: is a fact. And then it's also the fact that
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 3: they take like portions of it and then they recreate
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 3: what's missing and then create a skeleton.
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 1: Makes a lot of assumptions.
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of assumptions. Yeah, Well, this is
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 3: why in the Science Museum in Bozeman, Montana. We talked
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 3: about this before. I went there with my kids once,
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 3: and they have a raptor and on one side of
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 3: the raptor it's what we think of like from Jurassic Park,
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 3: that it had like scaly skin like a lizard, and
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 3: the other side it's covered in feathers. Spurt which is yeah,
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 3: this is the alternative perspects.
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 4: Is gus the most complete uh dinosaurized t rex skeleton
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 4: sixty one percent complete, and it is for sale right now?
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 3: Oh how much does that cost?
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 2: Do you want to guess?
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah? No, no more more.
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 2: You're taking it's the bid.
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 3: They're going up eighty million.
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's the I think they expected is
• 2:23:29
  Speaker 4: somewhere in the sixty five to eighty million range.
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 3: Whoa, And it's sixty percent complete, sixty one percent, so
• 2:23:35
  Speaker 3: that means you're getting thirty nine percent bullshit when you
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 3: buy it.
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 2: I think they've just left some of it out. Oh
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 2: they filled it in.
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 3: All, okay, so that's what's left. That's actually what's so
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 3: there's some stuff missing done he does, they're right there,
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 3: see there's some okay, some some stuff, some ribs and shit.
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 3: That looks pretty I don't know, it looks pretty complete.
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 3: That looks pretty complete. That's sick. There was a the
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 3: house that I looked at that was for sale in
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 3: Malibu once, and in the house they it came with
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 3: a dinosaur. If you paid an extra million dollars, you
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 3: get to keep the dinosaur. Really yeah, they had a
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 3: raptor skeleton.
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 1: That seems expensive.
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 3: It was a little high, a little high. Well, the
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 3: house was a little high. It was. It's probably with
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 3: fifty bucks now nobody wants to live there.
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of times about what it would
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 1: feel like to be hunted from the sky. Wait the pterodactyls. Yeah,
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 1: sometimes you'll be hiking in the desert and you'll see,
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 1: you know, a hawk will fly over you and you'll
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 1: get that shadow. Yeah, and just imagine if it's just
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 1: this massive hunter just coming for you. Nothing you can do.
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 3: Right When did those die off too?
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 2: Gus has some bite marks on his ribs.
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 3: WHOA, that's crazy.
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 2: I wonder if that's post mortem fossilized bite marks.
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that could have been somebody scavenging him.
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it could have been. So Trinity is so the
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 3: So it's valued between twenty million and thirty million, the
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 3: highest presale estimate ever placed on dinosaur at auction.
• 2:25:01
  Speaker 2: I think there's always some higher bids than that though. Currently.
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 3: I bet there's a lot of dorks out there with
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 3: a lot of money. I want that shit in the
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 3: house next week.
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 1: People love to touch history.
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Elon's probably gonna have that shit at SpaceX.
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 1: Oh. Do you want to touch some history?
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, yeah, okay, I.
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 1: Brought you a little show and tell.
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 3: Okay, exciting.
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 1: So I grew up in western Nebraska on a giant
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 1: corn farm. This is called a Jimmy Allen point. This
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 1: is ninety five hundred years old. Whoa, it's a spear point.
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 1: So it was being chipped basically when go Beckley Tuppy
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 1: was at the height of its building. Wow, eighty five
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 1: hundred to ninety five hundred years old. My grandpa had
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 1: a load of rock delivered to his house and that
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 1: was in it. So they would dredge this this river
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 1: rock from the rivers the Platte River and deliver it
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 1: to your house. And he found that in his yard.
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 1: Holy shit, isn't that an incredible experience to touch it?
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 3: That's amazing. I don't know how old this one is,
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 3: but this is from here.
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 1: Oh yes, that's a pretty good one.
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 3: This is actually better.
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 1: This one's really that one's substantially older than this. Yeah,
• 2:26:26
  Speaker 1: I bet this is two thousand years old. That one's
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 1: almost ten.
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 3: That's crazy.
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna show you something else. It's just a
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 1: part of one. But this is part of a fulsome
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 1: point which is twelve thousand, seven hundred years old, so
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 1: that was definitely created to hunt something that's extinct. Now
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 1: you can see the flute up the middle and the
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 1: look at the work on the sides of it.
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 3: Wow, that's crazy.
• 2:26:55
  Speaker 1: It's the most incredible stone work. And you see that
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 1: over time it went from Clovis to Folsom and then
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 1: down the line two points like this, and it just
• 2:27:06
  Speaker 1: you know, became Yeah, so those this would have looked
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 1: like that if it was full. Wow, you're seeing the
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 1: central flute on this one. But both of these were
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 1: found out on my farm.
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 3: That's pretty amazing.
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw you talking to Taylor Sheridan about arrowheads
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 1: and I thought to myself, I wonder if Joe would
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 1: like to hold a ninety five hundred year old spear point.
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 3: Well, I did love it. Thank you, Thank you for
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 3: letting me hold that. That's pretty dope. It's pretty incredible
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 3: too when you think about the history of North America
• 2:27:35
  Speaker 3: that when Europe and China and all these other parts
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 3: of the world had developed sophisticated civilizations and machines and
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 3: all these different things, and these people were living a
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 3: very nomadic hunter gatherer life like essentially in the Stone
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 3: Age all the way up to the sixteen seventeen hundreds until.
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 1: Except for some of the mounds. So some of the
• 2:28:01
  Speaker 1: mound structures, like in Louisiana, I think those are about
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 1: nine thousand years old, I believe. And those are massive
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 1: platforms right like earthworks that are almost at least unexplainable
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 1: for why they would have built them. And that was
• 2:28:14
  Speaker 1: pretty old blood. I don't think any of them have
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  Speaker 1: been dated to pre flood.
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  Speaker 3: So this is post flood. Whoever was here? So if
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 3: people lived here, So the White Sands, New Mexico footprints
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  Speaker 3: are all pre flood.
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  Speaker 1: That's twenty three thousand.
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  Speaker 3: Ye one. Thing's interesting those people are barefoot, right, So
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 3: the question is like, what was sophisticated civilization like in
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  Speaker 3: North America then, because it seems like North America in
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  Speaker 3: particular because of the fact that up until eleven thousand
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  Speaker 3: years ago was covered in ice. Most of North America
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  Speaker 3: was covered in like a mile high of ice. It's
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 3: so hard for us to think Chicago gone. Can you
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  Speaker 3: imagine ye gone, Montana gone, Yeah, everything's gone, Colorado gone. Yeah,
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 3: everything's completely covered in a mile of ice. And then
• 2:29:06
  Speaker 3: eleven thousand years ago. It all goes away real quick,
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 3: and then you have the Great Lakes, Yeah, which is
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 3: so strange. And then if you look at Randall Carlson
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  Speaker 3: has done an amazing job of like sort of illuminating
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 3: like what kind of a mass of water it would
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 3: have sent rushing through the entire country at the time
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  Speaker 3: that these things were almost instantaneously melted. Like how insane
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 3: that must have been if huge asteroidal impacts slammed into
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  Speaker 3: these ice caps.
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  Speaker 2: Two miles of ice looks like next to a city.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's so crazy. That everything that we
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  Speaker 3: see when you drive through Kansas and Nebraska and Iowa,
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  Speaker 3: all that was under all that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, my husband's from North Idaho, and you can see
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  Speaker 1: the all of the ancient remains of these lakes, you know,
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 1: these ice dams that burst, yeah, just float over the landscape.
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  Speaker 1: And I think Randall Carlson is especially gifted in describing
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 1: these events making it real for us.
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  Speaker 3: Well, he's obsessed and he spent so much. When I
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 3: met him, I met him in Georgia. I did a
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  Speaker 3: show in Atlanta, and I met him like two thousand
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 3: and five or something like that, and he was explaining
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  Speaker 3: it to me back then, and I had never heard
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 3: that before. I was like, what that was my first
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 3: introduction to the younger drives impact theory. And that's when
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 3: it started putting all the pieces together. Okay, well that's
• 2:30:32
  Speaker 3: what ended civilization. That's the and that And now that
• 2:30:36
  Speaker 3: we know that that's a real event because of course samples,
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 3: because you know they've been find they find layers of iridium,
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 3: which is very common in space, very rare on Earth,
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  Speaker 3: and these micro diamonds that appear when you have impacts
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 3: the Black matt They know that it happened, So some
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 3: big events happened. I think they think eight hundred years ago,
• 2:30:58
  Speaker 3: and then I think again, like ten thousand years ago.
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 3: They think it happened more than once. Yeah, what kind of
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 3: makes sense that it took so long for civilization to
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 3: re emerge.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And the question is did that civilization that was
• 2:31:10
  Speaker 1: alive at the time know that it was coming right?
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 1: And what did they do to prepare right or could
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 1: they be And did they know that probably the only
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 1: thing that was going to be left after that is stone?
• 2:31:23
  Speaker 1: So what is encoded in that stone for us to
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 1: read today?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the weirdness of things like Egypt when you
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 3: look at the pyramids and the dimensions and how the
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 3: dimensions align with the you know, the dimensions of Earth
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 3: and the distances to the moon, and yeah, it's all.
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  Speaker 3: The whole thing's very weird. It's very weird.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like coincidence. No, it seems like they
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 1: knew exactly what they were doing. And what is the
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 1: you know, the one language that's going to survive. Geometry, math, right, astrology,
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 1: versal stones are the things that are going to survive.
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 1: I have myths right, so that it's messages being passed
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 1: down to us today and now people are looking and
• 2:32:07
  Speaker 1: paying attention and just it's it's a complete obsession for me.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how anybody thinks of anything else besides ancient.
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  Speaker 3: History once I get into it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, too amazing.
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  Speaker 3: It's certainly a puzzle. And if it wasn't for people
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 3: like you and other people that are doing similar things,
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 3: most people would be very blissfully unaware of how nuts
• 2:32:32
  Speaker 3: the actual physical history of the Earth is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yep. And you know, until recently, a lot of this.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, people couldn't travel around the world. They
• 2:32:43
  Speaker 1: couldn't they couldn't read scripts, that weren't in their language.
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 1: Archaeologists were exploring sites and their papers were going to
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 1: the universities, and so we didn't have the opportunity to
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 1: see these global patterns the way that we do now
• 2:32:58
  Speaker 1: to link. Okay, I see the same thing in Egypt
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 1: that I see in India, Like this thousand ton statue
• 2:33:05
  Speaker 1: is in India and it's also in Egypt. What about
• 2:33:07
  Speaker 1: these walls, they're the same. I don't think it was
• 2:33:10
  Speaker 1: as easy to do that back in the day. You know,
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 1: even the people that were deep into the research in
• 2:33:14
  Speaker 1: Egypt and the eighteen hundreds, they weren't traveling to Peru.
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  Speaker 1: So we are at a very unique time in history
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 1: where we can look across all of it, especially in
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 1: the next ten years when we're leveraging AI and other
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 1: technologies from space based scanning or whatever. I think it's
• 2:33:31
  Speaker 1: going to fundamentally change the way that we view the
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  Speaker 1: history of the world.
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  Speaker 3: I think so too, And so thank you, thank you
• 2:33:37
  Speaker 3: for being here, thank you for your channel, and thank
• 2:33:41
  Speaker 3: you for all your interest in this because it's absolutely fascinating.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for having me on. This was so fun,
• 2:33:46
  Speaker 1: my pleasure.
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  Speaker 3: Let's do it again. Okay, we love that all right,
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  Speaker 3: thank you, bye, everybody, no,