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John Wayne Gacy, Part One: A Fat Clown With A Smelly House · Hocus Pocus Lack Of Focus

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  The Great August fall? Check The Hocus Pocus Lack of
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  Focus, the very uneducational podcast that brings you on a
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  neurodivergent journey through topics such as witchcraft, true
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  crime, paranormal activity, and a plethora of shy talk.
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  Today we will be talking about a fat clown with a smelly house.
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  No, I'm not quoting from my father's Christmas card to me.
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  I'm talking about John Wayne Gacy, one of America's most
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  notorious serial killers. I'm justy and after researching
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  today's subject, I'm wondering why we can't just talk about
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  Seals every week. Why must my brain be filled with
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  these horrors? Please contact our show and
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  suggest nice topics. Please, for the love of God,
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  please. I'm joined by the rookie of the
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  team. He's so new to town.
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  John Wayne Gacy would have picked him up at a bus station,
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  handcuffed him, molested him, murdered him and buried him in a
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  crawl space. I'm serious.
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  Please suggest some lighter topics.
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  It's ocean burn. Hello.
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  And as always, leading us on this diabolical journey of
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  debauchery is our Hostess with the most chest.
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  She wishes some hot young stud would crawl into her space.
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  I'm begging you. For the love of God, please
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  subject some nice topics for this show.
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  It's Danny. Hey, Thomas.
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  Hello there. Actually, I think you would
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  have. You would have liked to have
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  done the Reddit one. We had some very nice stories on
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  the Reddit episode. Danny.
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  OK, I'm just gonna fucking stray off the.
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  Bat go for. It go for.
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  It do not suggest here we go to me to do extra podcast you
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  would. Have liked.
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  It when I've done about 24 hours worth of podcasts that I've
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  never seen the light of day 2 over Christmas while people are
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  saying those are. Practice, yes.
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  But I don't, I don't know, I don't watch the.
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  Podcast. She's gonna do.
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  It amount of material with I've wasted.
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  I will work ethic, no work ethic.
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  That's your problem. I will do.
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  I I'll do. So what do we know?
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  Work ethic. I've been working.
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  There's there's literally. 2 episodes based around Christmas
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  that we can't put on any other time of the year now.
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  We could do it for Valentine's. Day until next year like you
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  know you haven't like when you want to be lazy when you want to
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  be lazy next Christmas 2. Weeks.
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  Ahead already. When we want to be lazy next
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  Christmas, we can just be like, oh, Ocean's on holiday.
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  So here's a. Here's the cramped.
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  Episode from exactly 20. 5 exactly.
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  We can just go back in and we can like voice over anything
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  that's really out of date. Like President Clinton and his
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  wife. Hillary.
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  I've got those, Epstein. For Broncos.
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  That Lady that was shot in Minnesota?
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  Two weeks. And 12 months ago.
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  Guys, it's not. Funny, the woman died.
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  And. Speaking of, it's not funny.
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  People died. What are we doing today, Danny?
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  And. With a great work ethic.
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  Who actually is funny? Because he he played two clowns.
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  Two Clowns. Jesus Christ 2.
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  Clowns. So he had he had two clowns, 2
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  clowns. He played Pogo.
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  It was the funny nice like happy clown and then Patches who was
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  like the sad clown and he was a bit so.
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  Which one committed all the crimes?
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  Like, you know, is it the sad clown or the happy clown?
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  John. Just no clown.
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  Well, but not one. Plain old John Well.
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  According to John, Jack committed all of crime or.
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  Did he have like, you know, personality disorder?
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  Was that like his excuse for it? Well, this is this is OK, Let's
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  we might, we might have. To run down well ahead.
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  Of ourselves, yeah, before we get any kind of trial and and
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  his defense or anything like that.
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  Oh yeah, let's. Let's just talk about why he was
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  on trial. It's going to be a 2 parter
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  because there is so much. So we're not going to be not
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  going to be talking about the trial until next week.
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  But I have a whole fucking you was just a very.
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  Wait a minute. Can't we, can't we pick this up
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  like in three months that we have to do this next week as
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  well? No, it has.
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  To be back-to-back. You really need to feel this
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  just. Yeah.
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  Just sit with it. I've been feeling it for days.
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  The only way out is through the only way.
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  Just kind of go. Through it, right?
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  OK, so we'll just jump into it. So John Wayne Gacy.
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  He was born on Saint Patrick's Day, March 17th, 1942.
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  God damn it. We do not claim this man.
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  Not because. He was born to a man by the name
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  of John Stanley Gacy and his mum Marion Robinson.
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  He was named after John Wayne, the famous Hollywood actor for
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  all the the westerns and stuff. No, what's really interesting
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  about this is his SO John Wayne Gacy.
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  His mother's name is Marion. Yeah, I was just going to.
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  Say, John Wayne's real name is Marion.
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  Yeah, it's Marion. John Gacy.
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  I don't like that. And he was also a piece of shit.
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  He was a big, massive racist, did not like black people, did
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  not like Native Americans, and thought that, like, white people
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  were just superior in every way. So the name carries like a right
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  pair of cunts. We could do an episode on
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  fucking John Wayne himself. Oh yeah, yeah.
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  I mean, all of the the people kind of of that time seemed to
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  be awful. What's the movie?
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  That bucket I think. It was where he's in yellow
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  face. Oh yeah, yeah, he played there.
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  The King and I where he plays like an like a.
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  Japanese. Emperor.
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  Yeah. And they and they like they they
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  like paint lines across his eyes to do the racist.
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  Thing I don't know if what you did there was racist because
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  he's definitely a Chinese emperor, not a Japanese.
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  Oh, it's Chinese, I thought. It was Japanese.
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  I don't think it's racist that you've got John Wayne's race
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  mixed up while he was doing yellow.
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  Face. Yeah, I don't.
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  I don't think that counts. I think I got a pass.
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  Yeah. Just like, look, he was racist
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  guys, OK, He probably thought he was Japanese.
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  That's. True as well.
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  Which one of these fuckers am I? But it was, it was some movie
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  with a, with Clint Eastwood, I believe.
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  But there's, I don't even know what movie it was.
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  But he's, he's acting with this 12 year old girl and I think
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  it's like some wartime fucking movie or whatever.
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  But he's like saved her from something and they're hiding in
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  the bushes or whatever. And they're like just basically
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  being like, who are you? I'm whoever, You're whoever.
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  And he's like, how old are you? And she's like 12 and he's like
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  old enough for kissing. And he just grabs her and just
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  starts making it with her. And that wasn't scripted.
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  He. Yeah, he just, he just grabbed
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  her and kissed her. And then I was because it's the
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  70s. No, and it's Clint Eastwood.
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  Nobody said anything, just grab this 12 year old girl and start
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  to kiss her. We're, we're, we're heading
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  straight off topic from John Wayne.
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  Hold on. Like, let me, let me just, eh,
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  indulge myself on this. Have you ever seen the clip
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  where at the Oscars when the native girl gets up and talks
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  about how like cowboy films glorify their like, decimation
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  of a people? And then Clint Eastwood comes up
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  afterwards and as like, yeah, he he basically kind of ridicules
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  her. And I forget what he it was that
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  he said, but like, should we stop?
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  Should we stop doing cop films because they beat up the
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  robbers? Like this kind of thing, Like,
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  you know, and it's, it's really such a fucking shitty Dick.
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  Was it not like someone like like Jane Fonda or something
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  gave up her Oscar acceptance? Yeah, she's.
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  Like a Native American, like, I'm not sure that Jane Fonda was
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  very like, involved in like civil rights at the time.
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  But like, I remember that that was that was like super cool.
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  And then Clint just like, shit all over it.
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  Yeah. He's.
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  A horrible. Should we be mad for police
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  brutality? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes.
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  Yes. Yes, Clint.
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  Yes, we should. We could.
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  Be mad at two things. Yeah.
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  We can be mad at so many things. Yeah, well, when I turned 70,
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  I'm going to write a movie where I got to say whatever racist
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  slurs I want. I'm going to.
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  Invent a few racist slurs. It was a great movie though, I
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  did really enjoy it. Yeah, Grand, Torino, Grand.
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  Torino great movie. Yeah, my favorite part.
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  Oh, yeah, right. So where am I?
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  So like many of the people that we talk about here, John did not
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  have the best childhood. He was born with a heart
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  condition that would prevent him from playing sports or engaging
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  in outdoor activities, which led him to not being very athletic
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  or participating in sports with the other kids, which led to
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  him. I don't know why I even bothered
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  putting this in. He was he was a little fatty
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  when he was growing up. I I would argue if he was able
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  to be involved in sports he would have committed many more
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  crimes. Oh yeah, for sure.
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  Well, yeah, I think if he was able to participate in sports
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  and he this is the argument against that, that he he would
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  have had a better relationship with his father who cause.
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  Yeah. His dad.
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  Yes. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  One time, a bit more manly, yeah.
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  Call him useless, fucking call him a little girl, call him a
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  gay boy all the time. Beat the shit out of him.
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  And I think we'll get to that. Yeah, well, I just think like if
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  John was a little bit more athletic, then he would have
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  been more adjusted. But I don't.
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  Again, I don't know. I'm not a fucking psychologist.
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  So it's some fault, really. Umm, but.
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  Maybe get an inhaler and impress your dad.
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  It's his, it's his fault because he has a dodgy heart from when
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  he was born. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Yeah, it is like, you know, like
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  can't be winners. So it was said that he was super
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  close with his mom and his sisters.
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  But like, I'll fucking kill you. Stop.
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  Alright. Jesus.
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  Christ. But.
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  Speaking to one of the many men she has chained over her
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  apartment. Oh yeah, but life with his dad
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  was super rough. It was said that his dad was an
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  abusive alcoholic who was physically abusive to his wife
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  and all three of the kids. And John seemed to suffer the
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  most abuse from his father, maybe because he was the only
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  boy, which I mean that would probably.
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  Make. No sense.
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  We'll just put a big take on this one because this is one of
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  those things where it's just like, Oh, yeah, this is so
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  common amongst men like John Wayne Gacy and men who go on to,
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  like, attack women and yeah, and abuse P like, abuse, like people
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  who are, like, younger than them.
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  Yeah, it's the the power and the control thing because he like,
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  never had any growing up. So he was, he would verbally
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  amuse him, but more often than not, it was physical abuse.
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  And if his mom stepped in and tried to protect him from his
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  father, John would call him a Sissy or a mama's boy.
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  And he told him, you're probably going to grow up queer.
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  So super, super supportive father as as you can tell.
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  Intuitive as well. Yeah.
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  I mean, he wasn't wrong in a terrible way.
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  No, No, he wasn't. Yeah.
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  So John was exposed to sexual stuff at an early age.
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  At the age of five, he said, he was fondled by an older girl.
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  And then in 1949, when John was six or seven, he and another boy
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  were caught bundling a young girl.
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  When his dad found out about this, he beat the share of him,
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  like, really badly. And this was one of the beatings
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  that had kind of a big lasting impression on him.
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  And he became super terrified of his father after that.
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  His dad used a belt on him, but it was the the razor belt for
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  sharpening razors. So not just like the belt he
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  took off. Yeah.
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  So like imagine like a 1/4 inch thick piece of leather for like
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  bawning the edge of a straight razor.
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  So. Like a cut throat, Yeah.
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  And he he hit his he hit his motor so hard once when he was
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  drunk that it eh, dropped the dental bridge that she had fixed
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  in her mouth. It knocked it out of her mouth.
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  So like he was abusive Cruise a whole lot of them.
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  But yeah, yeah, like obviously fucking Joe Wargare, he, he took
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  it. Fucking he took it harder than
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  anybody. Yeah, so because John was so
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  afraid of his father, it obviously didn't really allow
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  open communication to go on between the two of them.
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  At one point, John was being molested by one of the family
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  friends when he was just 8 years old.
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  And this guy would take John out for like, ice cream and he would
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  teach him different wrestling holes.
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  Wrestling and pedos like it just they go fucking hand.
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  In hand. Like it's, it's peas in a pod.
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  It's like it is shocking that like John Wayne Gacy can be
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  linked to the modern habit of pedos being involved in
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  wrestling. Yeah, yeah.
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  I. Plead the 5th.
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  So John never said anything because he thought that his dad
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  was going to blame him for being molested, which I could see his
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  dad being that kind of person. His dad was a.
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  Cunt. Like he definitely would have
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  done that. It's.
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  Like stop being so sexy, this is your fault.
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  His dad, his dad was the kind of person that could always find a
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  reason to beat him up because that's just how he was.
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  He really didn't even need a reason to beat up the kids.
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  It does get to 1 point though where John tells his dad that he
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  doesn't want to hang out with a family friend anymore, but he
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  doesn't tell him what's going on and then that's it.
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  He doesn't. He doesn't hang out with him
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  again. So obviously the the mom and dad
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  were just like, yeah, fair enough.
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  Like maybe they used. The dad was just like, oh good,
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  he's not hanging around with that man anymore.
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  The little you know. And just like as mountain of
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  like, homophobic slurs spills from his mouth.
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  Yeah, I mean, that would make the most sense.
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  Yeah. And not, not in a like a
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  protective way of like looking after his kid.
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  He just would have been like, good, get him away from the
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  boys. Yeah.
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  Should be hanging out with girls.
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  But then he did be the share of him when he was hanging out with
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  girls. I mean, yeah, he was.
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  He was seven years old. So even though John's upbringing
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  was super rough, he decided to channel his need for acceptance
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  by becoming involved within the community.
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  Now this is a big, a big thing for him.
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  He was very, very desperate to be liked.
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  So he was always joining these different clubs, these like, he
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  just was always like an advocate for people and like helping
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  people kind of get their own way basically.
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  So lost now. Every everybody who's like Danny
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  is being distracted by Cap. By the way, this isn't just some
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  fucking weird schizophrenic kind of I have.
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  A tick. And his name is Fergus.
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  John became an assistant precinct captain for a
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  Democratic Party candidate and then later he would become a
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  precinct captain. I said precinct captain.
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  Oh, assistant precinct captain. And then later, yeah, John was
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  responsible for helping the voter registration and also
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  getting absentee ballots, distributing campaign and party
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  information, etcetera. Basically someone that the
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  community trusted. His dad still wasn't impressed
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  with John's desire to help the community and would refer to him
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  as a quote UN quote Pansy. Like, yeah, that's like a sign
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  of weakness, like, you know, being a part of your community.
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  Yeah. But again, like it was because
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  like, he was probably just so broken from like his his dad not
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  accepting him that he was just like constantly trying to fit in
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  and be a pillar in the community so that other people would be
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  like, John, you're a good boy. Yeah, pretty much.
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  So during John's senior year of high school, he ended up
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  dropping out, decided to move to Las Vegas.
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  He ends up working at a Funeral Home, the owner of this home.
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  So when John moved out there, he didn't have anywhere to stay
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  anything like that. So the guy who owned the Funeral
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  Home was like, you can stay here and like set him up a cot behind
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  the embalming room, which. You want to be fucking sleeping,
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  isn't it? Like not even like like just a
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  room near, but it's the room where they literally have dead
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  bodies laid out on the slabs and are working on them.
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  I always wanted to, to do that. That was like my dream job I
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  really wanted and it's I had applied to do it.
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  So you can study it in Scotland and it has such small like
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  capacity. These courses do because funeral
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  homes are like normally like a family business and it's really
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  hard to get accepted into it unless you are already in a
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  family of like morticians. I hear people are dying to get
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  into it. And.
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  Fuck you. Football.
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  Actually, look, I, I don't think I've ever told you this before,
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  but like a great uncle of mine was a, he ran a Funeral Home and
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  his, his name in the family is big Tom and he, so my
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  grandparents had a pub in my hometown and literally in the
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  back, like of the not back of the pub, but you know, like
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  you'd have like another business like at the end of the yard
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  behind the pub. Yeah, yeah.
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  And that's where his Funeral Home was.
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  And my I have two uncles, 1 is now dead.
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  They're identical twin uncles. And when they were younger,
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  which was like the 60s, sixties and early 70s, they like now
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  they'd be like criminals. But back then, they just like
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  used to do a lot of practical jokes on people.
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  And one of their practical jokes is they would sneak down into
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  big Toms and they would climb into some some costumes and when
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  grieving families were coming in to like, pick out a coffin.
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  Grieving families. These two, these two little
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  bastards. How old were they at the time?
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  They were like fucking 8, like, you know, like 10 years old.
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  And they were like, there's all these, like, stories of my
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  uncles in my hometown of like, you know, Oh yeah, weren't the
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  two lads really funny? And, you know, kind of just go
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  on, no. They weren't they?
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  Weren't funny at all. Like they just, they fucking
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  terrorized my hometown like in the the 60s and 70s and it was
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  like, it was, you know, their grandfather was an alcoholic or
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  their dad was an alcoholic and everyone was just like, oh,
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  maybe they're just crazy because of him.
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  And of course, small town in Ireland in that time, people
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  were just like, we'll just send them off to boarding school.
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  Yeah, the easiest. Like boarding school?
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  Well. In Ireland, boarding school is
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  not well liked by many people, no.
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  No, no, no, they went to, they went to Ring, which is a
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  boarding school down in Waterford in Ireland, which is
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  70 miles away from from our hometown, which is like as as.
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  Far away. As you can get from the
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  Midlands. So yeah, like when, when I was
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  reading this part about John Wayne Gacy, I was just like, Oh
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  no, that's in my family. Oh no.
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  Yeah, yeah, it's, it's funny like that you mentioned the the
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  Pope with the Funeral Home at back.
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  But because like in places in the Midlands, that's not
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  actually like it's not an uncommon thing.
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  There's a place I forget. I forget.
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  Where it was, was it in somewhere in Westmead?
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  I think that you go by and on the side of the road there's
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  nothing for miles and then on the side of the road there's a
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  pub, hardware and Funeral Home. Yes, all in the one.
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  That's exactly how it is in Wexford on.
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  Yeah, like, like on the Main Street.
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  Yeah, there's a. Like just.
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  It's all the adjoining, Yeah, they're all like next door
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  neighbors, like. Family, but like it's the one
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  family who owns this thing. The same people run it like.
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  Yeah, that's the same with I think it's Sinnott's Funeral
• 20:34
  Home, and then there's Sinnott's Pub and then there's, I think a.
• 20:37
  Pet shop. It's probably like a hardware
• 20:40
  shop. As a shop.
• 20:41
  Yeah, it's a pet shop. So it's like you're like, you're
• 20:45
  like, you've got your, you can go and drop someone off for the
• 20:48
  embalming and then you could go next door and buy a budgie, go
• 20:51
  in and have a pint then while you're waiting on the embalming
• 20:53
  like with the budgie, with the budgie.
• 20:56
  So funny to anyone who is is listening to this from outside
• 21:02
  of Ireland I will point. To our.
• 21:04
  Listeners are. Like we are not painting this.
• 21:08
  If you're thinking of Ireland in the the way that like the movies
• 21:12
  will portray it, that we're all walking around and say on top of
• 21:15
  the morning to you and there's grass in the middle of every Rd.
• 21:20
  Ireland isn't typically like that.
• 21:22
  No. Where we're from.
• 21:23
  There is. There is this little spot in the
• 21:27
  middle of Ireland that is like when we were talking about the
• 21:31
  the Alaskan triangle. There is the Midlands triangle
• 21:36
  between Bucket Leash, Awfully, Kildare and Westmead kind of
• 21:39
  this area where you will find Ireland is the Ireland that you
• 21:45
  know from the movies. And there's always those little
• 21:49
  towns as well, like in Wexford, it's a little village called
• 21:53
  Feathered. Feathered.
• 21:54
  I know it's. Down, down near Hook Head
• 21:56
  Lighthouse and like block this hall and all that, and everyone
• 22:01
  looks the exact same because it's just a whole little village
• 22:04
  of the one family that just keep it in the family.
• 22:08
  And you can't drive through there without them stopping.
• 22:11
  And all of them have unibrows and they just look at you while
• 22:15
  you're driving through. Yeah.
• 22:17
  And you're just like, fuck sake. And I remember, like going to my
• 22:21
  brother anytime he comes back from New York, like he has to go
• 22:24
  to all the fucking like, spots he never had any interest in
• 22:27
  going when you know what I mean? Like he lived there and we'd
• 22:30
  always go down and he's like, what?
• 22:32
  We're driving through feathers and we'll drive past like a
• 22:34
  church. Yeah, you can get married down
• 22:35
  here. No, thanks.
• 22:37
  I'm good. I'm.
• 22:40
  Good. Speaking of weird families, John
• 22:42
  Wayne Gacy was sleeping in a. Funeral.
• 22:46
  Home. So there we go.
• 22:50
  Anyway. John really liked it because at
• 22:54
  night he would climb into one or like several of the coffins and
• 23:00
  cuddle up with the dead bodies. Jesus.
• 23:03
  Fucking Christ. Which is not uncommon among
• 23:07
  serial killers. Now there's a lot of serial
• 23:09
  killers we could kind of lump into the same thing that have a
• 23:14
  weird, like they're weirdly comfortable with dead people and
• 23:19
  dead things and just like body parts in general that they'll
• 23:25
  just, they find like a beauty in it, which is like terrifying to
• 23:31
  me because like, like I, I don't.
• 23:34
  Understand it to you, Danny. I I will guarantee you.
• 23:37
  You and your weird little bodies.
• 23:39
  Aren't bodies are I just mean the the like the wanting to
• 23:43
  fucking sleep with them and to do whatever and like cuddle up
• 23:47
  to them like I again, like I I wanted to be a mortician like
• 23:50
  that shit wouldn't freak me out at all, but it's just that.
• 23:52
  Why would you want to fucking sleep with it after?
• 23:54
  I think it's. Like, I think it's like people
• 23:55
  who like will kill someone, they don't necessarily see people as
• 24:01
  like their life being something that's valuable.
• 24:03
  So like a dead body is just like the life has gone over and it's
• 24:07
  almost like it's it's something different to them and they have
• 24:10
  this like weird fascination and attraction to it.
• 24:14
  But it's that. It's, it's kind of not too
• 24:16
  dissimilar to that that guy in Germany, I think they called him
• 24:20
  like the, the doll maker or something.
• 24:22
  But he used to like dig up corpses, children and like fix
• 24:28
  them up and display them as dolls.
• 24:30
  And there were some families. So he obviously got caught, went
• 24:34
  to, went to trial and everything.
• 24:35
  And there were like some families that were like, oh,
• 24:38
  he's act and he used to like fucking like these dolls were
• 24:41
  his prized possession and he dressed them in like, beautiful
• 24:44
  clothes and all this stuff. And these families, like all
• 24:47
  he's given, you know, our daughter a better life than we
• 24:50
  could ever give her when she was alike.
• 24:51
  So we're actually grateful to him for it.
• 24:54
  Yeah. That's we should do it.
• 24:56
  We'll do an episode on him like he's he's.
• 24:58
  I can't remember his name off the top of my head, but they
• 25:00
  call him the Doll Maker. As well as his.
• 25:03
  Oh yeah. That's a bit more.
• 25:05
  Mother wants me to use you as an ashtray.
• 25:10
  That's. Actually really good.
• 25:13
  It's just that it's just kind of slightly Southern Mickey Mouse.
• 25:17
  He's simple cold puts cavort with a divorced woman and.
• 25:23
  I didn't mean nothing by it. I was just talking.
• 25:25
  It was all Mother. Mother wouldn't let me talk.
• 25:28
  To her girls. Oh God, Jesus.
• 25:31
  What are you, boy? But yeah, we'll do an episode.
• 25:36
  It's going to annoy me. I can't figure out his name, but
• 25:39
  we'll do an episode on him and just.
• 25:42
  To get back to Gacy, there's something that we we skipped
• 25:44
  from his childhood as well, which is something that actually
• 25:46
  surprised me when I went back in into researching this as well,
• 25:51
  is that his father used to had caught him a few times where
• 25:56
  underwear, women's women's underwear.
• 25:58
  His mother is mostly and it was. I want the non gay explanation.
• 26:05
  You better be a pervert, boy. That's the thing, eh, that's the
• 26:10
  thing with this as well is that like, eh, Gacy isn't a typical.
• 26:15
  Gacy isn't a typical serial killer, like when you like when
• 26:21
  we get to it, but like he is a typical, like blueprint for a
• 26:29
  serial killer as he caught as he's coming up, you know, like
• 26:31
  the abuse. Yeah, the the, the women's
• 26:34
  underwear, the fascination with death and corpses and stuff like
• 26:38
  that. So he's kind of hitting all the
• 26:40
  notes on the way up. But he turns out to be, yeah, a
• 26:42
  little bit, not even a little bit, but a lot different from a
• 26:45
  lot of those socially inadequate serial killers that we see down
• 26:49
  the line. Yeah.
• 26:51
  And I mean, it's definitely like, I think a fascination with
• 26:54
  like, death and like all that kind of stuff.
• 26:57
  Like that's a really common thing.
• 26:59
  But it is just like, yeah, acting on it is it's not good.
• 27:04
  So anyway, he would cuddle up with these corpses.
• 27:06
  It's not. Good.
• 27:07
  Not. Good.
• 27:09
  Not good. So after just three months, John
• 27:13
  moves back home. He just decided that Vegas
• 27:16
  wasn't from. I have heard that he was sacked
• 27:22
  from his job because. Probably.
• 27:24
  Because he was. Kind of found him canoodling.
• 27:27
  I think there was, there was word of that like that when they
• 27:30
  they obviously nobody ever wanted to say this is how he
• 27:34
  kind of got away with a lot of this stuff.
• 27:35
  He got away with. It's because nobody wanted to
• 27:37
  say the weird thing that was happening at the time.
• 27:40
  But also, what are you going to say?
• 27:42
  Like, if, if you do catch him, right?
• 27:44
  And he he had like said that his favorite corpses were like young
• 27:48
  boys, teenage boys and stuff and young men.
• 27:52
  What are you going as a Funeral Home?
• 27:54
  And you have to let someone go. You're not going to want to talk
• 27:57
  about why? Because you're going to have
• 27:59
  that's. Going to be a.
• 28:00
  Whole thing. Yeah, yeah.
• 28:01
  Yeah, yeah. And if you if you have to go
• 28:04
  like and if that gets out into. Press.
• 28:06
  That's going to be all. Over the news that there's been
• 28:08
  like a Funeral Home employee, there was a there.
• 28:12
  Was a case like this in the UK over the last like 2 or 4 years?
• 28:15
  There was a guy who he was convicted for abusing like AC
• 28:20
  bodies or something like that, Like all the families had to be,
• 28:25
  they had to be informed of what happened.
• 28:27
  There was a court case and all the evidence was like dragged
• 28:31
  through court and then he was convicted.
• 28:33
  So yeah, like that kind. Oh yeah, yeah.
• 28:36
  Imagine that guy you're as again over like bury and a loved one,
• 28:41
  and then two years later you're finding out this kind of stuff
• 28:45
  just to drag that back. Oh.
• 28:46
  Man, yeah. And it's it's that guy as well.
• 28:49
  Remember, he was in the IT was Auk case as well, but he was he
• 28:54
  was an orderly, but he was sneaking into the morgue you.
• 28:56
  Know in the hospital. Yeah, in the hospital, Yeah.
• 28:58
  And he was. And then there was like a female
• 29:00
  nurse who was doing it as well. And not the same.
• 29:03
  Hospital as a complete different case.
• 29:06
  He likes corpses. Yeah, there's some accusations
• 29:09
  that he used to do that, yeah. Well, there was, there was
• 29:11
  people there that said that they, eh, used to let him in.
• 29:15
  He said he wanted to go down to be with the bodies.
• 29:17
  And I, I think he might have been saying that he was praying
• 29:19
  with them and they, they were like, oh, that's Jimmy Savile
• 29:23
  was just let him in there. So he was going down there and
• 29:24
  fiddling. I don't know how anyone looked
• 29:28
  at that man and thought he was trustworthy.
• 29:30
  Now then, now then they should have fixed me.
• 29:33
  Just everything about me. Always love looked disgusting
• 29:37
  and awful and horrible and like even I've.
• 29:40
  Seen that he was a bad person, he kept saying this.
• 29:43
  Over and over again. I think he just liked so it's
• 29:46
  the fact that he was just under the radar while in plain sight.
• 29:49
  But umm, have you seen that movie with Matt Smith?
• 29:52
  It's a last night in Soho. Yes, he pull, he said.
• 29:56
  He pulled a lot from Jimmy Savile in the way he wanted to
• 29:59
  act as that, as that guy in the end.
• 30:02
  And it's just like. I was like, I love, don't tell
• 30:06
  people that. That's the inspiration for how
• 30:08
  you're gonna happen. But he wasn't a murderer and a
• 30:10
  horrible person, so yeah. He was a.
• 30:11
  He's a. Shithead.
• 30:12
  Like his character was a shithead, but don't be like Oh
• 30:14
  yeah, I based this character on like one of history's greatest
• 30:17
  monsters. No, he said he was he.
• 30:20
  There was mannerisms that he took from Jimmy Savile because
• 30:24
  it's kind of like the the smarmy, kind of like.
• 30:27
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because like Savile.
• 30:28
  Lecherous. Savile thought he was absolutely
• 30:30
  untouchable and like he could just like and.
• 30:32
  He was for a long time. Friends with the fucking now
• 30:35
  King of England. Yeah.
• 30:38
  Yeah, Steve. Steve Hoogan, who played Savile.
• 30:42
  Oh my. God, incredible.
• 30:43
  Did a fantastic job. He said it.
• 30:46
  It really kind of affected him. And I suppose you kind of have
• 30:49
  to say that I imagine what he literally, because he said, eh,
• 30:54
  you know, when you're wearing Jimmy Savile shoes in an
• 30:56
  interview, he said it and he goes and I was literally wearing
• 30:59
  Jimmy Savile shoes because he got, he got a pair of Savile
• 31:03
  shoes. Why would you?
• 31:04
  Do that. Well, he said he wanted he, he
• 31:07
  went, eh, fully into it. He said like, if you're going to
• 31:10
  wear someone's shoes, I'm going to wear someone's shoes.
• 31:12
  And he was wearing Savile's actual shoes.
• 31:16
  No. That's fucked.
• 31:18
  Man yeah, like those seem fucked up.
• 31:21
  One thing that I have to I really loved about that is that
• 31:23
  so I love Steve Coogan so much. I think everybody does and
• 31:29
  immediately forgot that it. Was yeah.
• 31:32
  He. Played him that well that I was
• 31:34
  like, it just went out of my head that it was Steve Coogan.
• 31:37
  Like he just played it so fucking well and I was like,
• 31:40
  this is insane. But it was just like the scene
• 31:44
  where at the end where they're like on the beach and he's on
• 31:45
  the park bench and he's just being real creepy to that girl
• 31:47
  now. He's long past his heyday at
• 31:49
  that time and he's just being a creepy, disgusting old man like.
• 31:53
  Coogan played with like this air of sinister that you won't have
• 31:59
  like that. It's The funny thing that you'll
• 32:01
  go, oh, he's playing that very sinister because like, obviously
• 32:04
  we know now. We know now, yeah, Yeah.
• 32:06
  But then when you go and look back at footage of Savile, yes,
• 32:11
  it is all really sinister. It's just.
• 32:14
  Yeah. Yeah, everyone was blinded by
• 32:17
  the, you know, this guy who was wearing the flashy claws who was
• 32:20
  bringing. Those charity, Yeah, all the.
• 32:21
  Charity, his friends with people in high places, is the is the
• 32:25
  man. Loves his mother.
• 32:26
  Yeah, loves his mammy and is. So good to his mother.
• 32:29
  He's. The guy who brings you the
• 32:31
  youth, the music. So that was the really
• 32:34
  important. So he was culturally really
• 32:36
  important to young people and that's how he kind of, I think,
• 32:40
  got away with a lot of stuff anyways.
• 32:42
  Are we doing the Jimmy Sabler? We could.
• 32:46
  We. We could do that.
• 32:48
  But anyway, yeah. So after three months, he moves
• 32:50
  back home. He then attends business college
• 32:53
  and ends up graduating in 19. 60 which is hilarious because he
• 32:57
  went to about 5 high schools and never graduated. 1 So this just
• 33:00
  goes to show that records at the time and that will feed into
• 33:03
  what happens later on. No credit scores.
• 33:06
  They don't mean like what records don't mean shit because
• 33:09
  he went into that college No with no eh, what?
• 33:12
  They just bullshit, Yeah, no high school, Yeah, or GED,
• 33:15
  whatever they call it. And and.
• 33:17
  Eh, and he was a talker, so he's he's not surprised.
• 33:20
  Clever as well. So like he had no, yeah, eh,
• 33:23
  because he was being bullied in school and didn't like school.
• 33:26
  He just didn't perform well. But when he got into that
• 33:29
  Business School, he had some fucking real acumen for that.
• 33:32
  And he he ended up like doing really well a Business School
• 33:35
  coming out of it, coming out the other side like fairly well off.
• 33:41
  Well, he, he graduated, so like obviously he did kind of work at
• 33:46
  it. So he gets a job working at a
• 33:48
  shoe company that then asked him to relocate to Springfield, IL
• 33:53
  where he's working as a salesman.
• 33:55
  Once he moved, John decided to get active in the community
• 33:58
  again as he does, but this time in Springfield.
• 34:02
  So he joined a local non profit schoolyards up shopping mall
• 34:07
  down so he. Joined the local I I.
• 34:12
  I'm sorry. Argentville.
• 34:17
  Like go and put them on the map so we knew this would happen.
• 34:22
  He where we where have I gone? I've lost my fucking he.
• 34:25
  Joined a local non. Profit training organization
• 34:29
  that focused on business development, management skills,
• 34:32
  and community service called the JC organization and John must
• 34:37
  have really loved working with them because he busted his ass
• 34:40
  and spent a lot of time with them.
• 34:42
  He ends up becoming the Vice President of the organization in
• 34:45
  1965 and was named the third most outstanding JC in the state
• 34:50
  of Illinois. Now when he when he becomes the
• 34:53
  vice president of this organization, he is 23 years
• 34:55
  old. So like when, when, when he like
• 34:58
  applies himself to do something because like, like, I think very
• 35:03
  clearly he sees these ways of like ingratiating himself to
• 35:06
  more people and to becoming important and putting himself
• 35:09
  into positions where he'll be like, he may not know it
• 35:12
  consciously, but he wants to be in a position where he's
• 35:14
  interacting with more and more people because he has he has
• 35:18
  ideas. Yeah, I, I think he's a, he's a
• 35:21
  highly sociable person for openly mobile means.
• 35:26
  Did you guys look into this JC thing at all?
• 35:28
  And and and. I saw that.
• 35:29
  It's like it's called like the junior chamber and it's this
• 35:33
  like management and you know, leadership skills, like training
• 35:37
  an organization, like it's kind of a like a not a pyramid
• 35:41
  scheme, but it's just like this weird, like networking.
• 35:44
  Yes, an organization from what I can.
• 35:46
  See, it's like you're Danny. What's your favorite
• 35:50
  organization there with the fucking the?
• 35:53
  Freemasons. It's like one of them, only for
• 35:55
  like, you know, less, you know, ancient and shrouded in mystery.
• 35:59
  But what? Yeah, what Gacy ends up doing in
• 36:01
  this in this place is when he becomes the reason why he makes
• 36:05
  vice president is because when he comes along to join this
• 36:09
  organization, he ends up recruiting more people than
• 36:13
  they've seen in fucking years. Like the recruitment in this
• 36:16
  place go up massively. But the reason for that is.
• 36:19
  Even there's. A It's because he's trolling.
• 36:21
  He's trolling parties and he's eh what he's doing is bringing
• 36:27
  out stag films. So young men are coming along to
• 36:31
  these parties and he is basically drink drugs and eh
• 36:38
  putting stag films on and the guys are having like the
• 36:41
  bartress for the parties. So this JC yeah.
• 36:44
  Now it's not about what we think.
• 36:46
  It's about eh, where there were like anyone outwardly will be
• 36:51
  looking at all. It's these guys that are
• 36:53
  involved in business and they're looking to make contacts and
• 36:55
  stuff like that. Really.
• 36:56
  It's a social club for John Wayne Gacy to in, eh, ingratiate
• 37:01
  himself with the men of the town who all get to come to his great
• 37:05
  parties. Yeah.
• 37:09
  So during this time he meets a Co worker named Marilyn Myers
• 37:12
  and they start dating. After a little bit of time they
• 37:15
  get engaged. Six months after they were
• 37:17
  engaged they get married. But during that time Johnny Boy
• 37:20
  wasn't really faithful to Marilyn.
• 37:22
  One night he gets really drunk and drunk drunk and then gets a
• 37:26
  blowjob from one of the fellow JC members, a female.
• 37:31
  I don't know her name, but Marilyn ends up working through
• 37:35
  it with him and John and Marilyn proceed to get married.
• 37:38
  Which that's fucking stupid. 1960s like everyone was just in
• 37:41
  denial, as you know yeah like oh you've cheated it doesn't matter
• 37:44
  We we can't tell people that we're not getting married now
• 37:47
  that that's. A bigger shame they weren't
• 37:49
  married yet. So yeah, John's new
• 37:52
  father-in-law happened to purchase three different KFC
• 37:55
  restaurants in Waterloo, IA. He goes John and asks if he'd be
• 38:01
  the manager, and John's like hell yeah.
• 38:03
  So Marilyn and John pick up and they move to Waterloo.
• 38:06
  John would later describe his time in Waterloo as being
• 38:09
  perfect because it because it was a great job and a perfect
• 38:13
  marriage According to him. It was a perfect marriage.
• 38:17
  Marilyn gave birth. Not according to.
• 38:21
  Her not, according to. Her.
• 38:23
  Marilyn gave birth to their son in February of 1966 and then
• 38:28
  their daughter in March of the following year.
• 38:30
  John was working his ass off at these KFC restaurants and he was
• 38:34
  also active at the local JC chapter.
• 38:36
  Again, it wasn't long before he became vice president of the
• 38:40
  Waterloo. He's.
• 38:41
  Just he's just getting in there and he's networking and he's
• 38:44
  just like, you know, like it's this like desire to be important
• 38:49
  in his community. Oh yeah, just needs to be like,
• 38:52
  that's, that's all he's ever wanted is to be like he wants to
• 38:56
  go home. And impress fucking papagasy
• 38:59
  like. Yeah.
• 39:00
  Yeah, I think the only time in his life that he said that his
• 39:03
  father actually where like gave him some compliments and stuff
• 39:07
  like that is when he got married and the birth of his his son
• 39:12
  like father came and said, listen, I'm sorry for the child.
• 39:17
  I was wrong. I was wrong.
• 39:18
  And. Yeah, we we have this here.
• 39:22
  Sorry, getting headed to no, no. You're fine.
• 39:25
  I'll I'll get, I'll get to you. But I'm like, so the people at
• 39:28
  the JC meetings love John because he would bring KFC to
• 39:31
  all of the meetings and he insisted that everyone called
• 39:34
  him the Colonel, which is so fucking crazy.
• 39:36
  It's not crazy class. It's so.
• 39:39
  KFC, I'd make people call me the Colonel.
• 39:41
  No, but Can you imagine a Colonel, a 24 year old who's
• 39:44
  working at AKFC and it's just like you can call me the
• 39:47
  Colonel. I say, I say, I brought you some
• 39:49
  chicken. Like Jesus?
• 39:51
  Christ, that's like, that's a, that's a milady like.
• 39:55
  It's. Like Pandora all over.
• 39:57
  Like you can. Call me the Colonel.
• 39:59
  Regional branch manager of AKFC is the Milady Fedora half of
• 40:03
  1966. So to top it off, when his
• 40:12
  parents came to visit him in 1966, here we go.
• 40:15
  His father was actually proud of him and he pulls John aside and
• 40:18
  apologized to him for all of the physical and emotional abuse.
• 40:22
  Sorry about that. This stuff is according to Gacy,
• 40:28
  though, so like, again, yeah, like to go retrospect.
• 40:32
  Like, you know, when we get to the end of the story and we look
• 40:34
  back, we'll wonder how much of what he said was actually true.
• 40:38
  Did his father actually say these things about myself?
• 40:41
  Because while he talks about his father being a drunk and being a
• 40:44
  horrible person, he still has a lot of respect for his father.
• 40:47
  And he talks about his father as, oh, he was a good man when
• 40:50
  he was sober. Problem was, he was never sober.
• 40:54
  He sounds very like Abe Simpson. Like, do you think I could be
• 41:00
  president one day? We've got systems in place to
• 41:02
  stop people like you forever becoming president.
• 41:06
  I am a Rep president. Kennedy.
• 41:10
  Kennedy reference. Bingo.
• 41:13
  So yeah, where are we going? Yeah, he said.
• 41:16
  Sorry. So John Senior even went so far
• 41:19
  as tell John I was wrong about you and shook his hand.
• 41:22
  Yeah, that's this does sound like he just said that he
• 41:25
  finally got his father's approval, something that he
• 41:27
  would never, he thought he could never get and had a very, very
• 41:30
  big effect. See, like I do, I think just is
• 41:32
  on to something here that like, this is definitely something
• 41:34
  that like Gacy himself has said. And it's like, you know, I
• 41:37
  became like the regional manager for KFC.
• 41:41
  People used to call me the Colonel.
• 41:42
  I had so much respect. And then my dad came up and
• 41:46
  shook my hand because, and in that moment, I had two kids, I
• 41:49
  had a KFCI was a man. And I had a massive cock.
• 41:53
  And then everyone started clapping.
• 41:54
  And then everyone clapped. So not everything during these
• 42:00
  perfect years was indeed perfect.
• 42:03
  John and the other members of the Waterloo JC were heavily
• 42:06
  involved with drugs, porn, picking up sex workers and wife
• 42:09
  swapping. Hell yeah.
• 42:11
  John had opened a quote UN quote club in the basement of his
• 42:16
  house, here we go, where all the employees or a lot of the
• 42:19
  employees from his KFC restaurants would come over,
• 42:21
  kick it, drink, play pool, and they would do this until like
• 42:26
  the early hours. And like, with this stuff, like
• 42:29
  him having like, this club in the basement and the way, like,
• 42:32
  he would like, he, you know, he bought a pool table and brought
• 42:35
  down there and he always had booze down there.
• 42:37
  And like, you just know that as he's buying these things, he's
• 42:40
  like fucking plotting and scheming.
• 42:42
  And he's just like, I'm going to build my club where I'm going to
• 42:45
  get lots of boys into my basement.
• 42:47
  Yeah. And I'm going to apply them all
• 42:49
  with alcohol. And I'm the cool older guy
• 42:51
  because like. That's exactly like our boss
• 42:54
  buys his beer like. He's not a.
• 42:56
  Creepy old man either like he's like 20. 4 Mid 20.
• 42:59
  That's the thing. Yeah.
• 43:00
  So 202425 and like that's. Well, like the case.
• 43:03
  You're not going to see him as the.
• 43:04
  Casey employees would have all been like fucking teenagers.
• 43:06
  Yeah, Yeah, yeah. No, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm not
• 43:08
  like, yeah, excusing that, like, I don't know.
• 43:10
  But he's, he's. Not like, you know, 50 or 60
• 43:12
  year old. Old.
• 43:13
  Yeah, I'm saying this is not. Like, you know, that kind of
• 43:14
  classic. Yeah, I think it's just, it's
• 43:16
  just, it's really surprising to me that he's like, because he's
• 43:19
  so like openly mobile and so kind of proactive that like at
• 43:24
  24 years of age, he bypassed the whole like midlife crisis to get
• 43:27
  to his being an old nuns. And he became an old nuns at
• 43:32
  like 24 years. 24, Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he he did definitely like
• 43:38
  I think as well, a lot of it is he did have to grow up like
• 43:40
  really fucking fast. So he probably did like
• 43:43
  accomplish a lot by 24. Then people would have kind of
• 43:49
  in those. Well, no.
• 43:50
  I say that like. Were you managing a regional KFC
• 43:53
  when you were 24? No, I mean, I say that, but like
• 43:55
  my, my parents are fucking like married with two kids by 24, you
• 43:59
  know what I mean? Like just at at that, as was the
• 44:02
  style at the time, you know, No, everything is perfect, Bob.
• 44:04
  A lot of the employees love John because he's this cool manager
• 44:08
  who lets him come over and just party all night and hang out and
• 44:11
  drink. But really it was just a way for
• 44:13
  John to indulge himself because both boys and girls would come
• 44:16
  over and hang at this little club, but John would spend most
• 44:19
  of his time hanging with teenage boys.
• 44:22
  Then after gaining their trust and giving them alcohol and
• 44:24
  being the cool manager, John would make sexual advances.
• 44:28
  If the boy was like, hold on, I'm not into that.
• 44:30
  John would just laugh it off and be like, I'm just, I'm just
• 44:33
  testing your morals. The gay test.
• 44:35
  I failed that test a few times. If you kiss me, you're gay.
• 44:40
  You're gay. I'm not gay.
• 44:42
  Like. I don't suck my Dick.
• 44:43
  You're like, gay. If I close my eyes and imagine
• 44:46
  you're a girl, I'm not gay, but you're gay.
• 44:49
  I think to what is what you said just he does kind of use that,
• 44:53
  you know, you got to have sex with men before you have sex
• 44:55
  with women. Yeah.
• 44:56
  And then the kids just like, oh, OK.
• 44:59
  Like, but yeah. There's some dumb young lads
• 45:02
  like. 15 and the 60s like I get like, I mean, I like the
• 45:06
  argument is like, oh, like, you know, how was he to know he's
• 45:09
  15? He's not fucking stupid.
• 45:12
  Like do you know what I mean? Yeah, no, but anyway, I think
• 45:15
  this is this is something that I had a little a thought of in my
• 45:17
  head today is when, eh, I was listening to something and the
• 45:21
  guys were kind of struggling. They were like these young men.
• 45:23
  No, no, no, these boys and that. But like The funny thing is
• 45:27
  they're not boys, but they're not young men.
• 45:30
  Like when you've got like, yeah, egg adolescence, adolescent,
• 45:34
  like males between the age of like 15 and 19, these, they're
• 45:40
  not like little boys, but they're dumb as fuck.
• 45:45
  Oh yeah, very impressionable as well.
• 45:47
  Yeah, and you I think, like you stay dumb up until about like
• 45:50
  fucking 25 anyway, so. I I still haven't grown over it
• 45:54
  yet so. I think he was.
• 45:57
  I think he was a lot smarter. Uh, for his age.
• 46:02
  He's a total fucking psychopath. Like you can see like every,
• 46:04
  everything he's doing like has an alternate like motive for it,
• 46:08
  like you know everything Like he's not, he's not just doing it
• 46:11
  to be seen as a good guy, like he's doing it to be seen as a
• 46:15
  good guy so that it will cover for like his, his urges that
• 46:19
  he's, he's trying to hide. Yeah, definitely.
• 46:22
  So starting in August 1967, John starts getting into a bit more
• 46:28
  trouble. So John invited the 15 year old
• 46:31
  son of one of his fellow JC members over.
• 46:35
  He gives him some alcohol, let's him watch porn.
• 46:37
  And then casually John's like like we just said there, you
• 46:40
  know, you got to have sex with a man before you can start having
• 46:42
  sex with women. Did you know that this kids like
• 46:45
  sure so. Donald That's what the Romans
• 46:48
  used to do, and the Greeks. She'd like, I don't think there
• 46:51
  was ever anything like that with the Romans and the Greeks.
• 46:54
  I think they're all everyone. Fuck everyone.
• 46:56
  I'm not even. Joking, like, I think that is
• 46:58
  what the Romans and the Greeks used to do.
• 46:59
  Like when they were younger, they would all just, like, fuck
• 47:01
  each other to practice for fun, for like, hierarchies and
• 47:06
  social, social, simpler times. There was, there was.
• 47:08
  Yeah. There was boys assigned to
• 47:10
  certain men and they were they were groomed.
• 47:13
  Eh Enrollment society. Is it the way like the Queens
• 47:16
  had like handmaidens? You would no.
• 47:18
  Worse, it was, it was both just like it was both boys.
• 47:21
  It was basically like you, you you had until you were a certain
• 47:25
  age, you were kind of considered a female, a book boy.
• 47:29
  And you were, yeah, you were to be used by like men.
• 47:33
  And then when you came of age, you stopped being a book boy and
• 47:36
  you start like you stopped being and.
• 47:38
  You started having book boys? Exactly it.
• 47:41
  Was just one thing that it was being a book boy, you know, boys
• 47:45
  were to have sex with and women were to like procreate with.
• 47:48
  Yeah, no, not every guy was like this, but it was like really
• 47:52
  common. No love that for them.
• 47:56
  What the fuck? I I don't care about boys or
• 48:00
  men. So sorry and so.
• 48:01
  Yeah, I forgot this is a missionary podcast.
• 48:06
  So I actually did I, I said that word to a guy that I was talking
• 48:11
  to. Well, he had to Google what it
• 48:12
  was. So that, that'll tell you more
• 48:14
  about my taste in, in, in guys. Yeah, pretty.
• 48:20
  Much He had to ask you how to spell Google.
• 48:23
  Yeah, he was still using like fucking.
• 48:27
  AOL. I just have to ask Jeeves what
• 48:30
  that means real quick. Oh.
• 48:32
  My. God ask.
• 48:33
  Jeeves, why? I never understood why they
• 48:36
  built those search engines. Because you have to have to use
• 48:39
  Google to find those search engines, which is the funniest
• 48:42
  part of it. Jeeves was its own entity
• 48:44
  though. It was like I remember seeing
• 48:46
  like ads for it on telly and. It was like the early days,
• 48:50
  yeah. And on my browser you had like
• 48:52
  so everyone was trying it out like.
• 48:54
  Yeah, but anyway, so this kid's name was Donald, and sadly, he
• 48:59
  wasn't John's only victim at this time.
• 49:01
  John had assaulted several other teenage boys.
• 49:04
  He tricked a couple of them into believing he needed them to
• 49:06
  participate in what he called homosexual experiments for
• 49:11
  scientific research. And in exchange, he would give
• 49:16
  them a payment of $50. Now I did Google that and that's
• 49:19
  like $400.00 today. In the Sixties, $50 like you
• 49:24
  know. This like weird, like 20, you
• 49:27
  know, 4 year olds just like going to guys like hey guys,
• 49:31
  $50. Experiments.
• 49:32
  You guys, you guys want to earn 50 bucks?
• 49:35
  I mean, I'm I'm a. Real scientist and he's like
• 49:37
  standing there, like wearing like a lab lab jacket just in
• 49:40
  the street outside the KFC. Lab naked underneath, just in.
• 49:45
  It the Colonel had a lab. I'm I'm Doctor Colonel.
• 49:48
  I'm Professor Colonel Wayne Gacy, Dr. Colonel.
• 49:58
  And these and these kids who are high as shit are just like,
• 50:02
  yeah, man, whatever. You put it whatever put it,
• 50:04
  wherever it's like. So while Donald was not the only
• 50:08
  one, he was the only one who spoke up.
• 50:11
  After this happens, Donald goes to his dad, who immediately told
• 50:15
  the cops what had happened and then John was arrested and
• 50:18
  charged with oral sodomy. The The funny thing about that
• 50:21
  is the sodomy laws are basically anything that is deemed as a,
• 50:26
  you know, sexually wrong. So like, you know, if you went
• 50:29
  off and had sex with a woman, everything would have been fine.
• 50:31
  So to think of sodomy, when we think of sodomy now, it's like
• 50:34
  just both fucking like, but at the time it was like anything
• 50:37
  that was kind of deemed as inappropriate sexual acts.
• 50:40
  But the kid went in, got absolutely fucking hairy aped by
• 50:47
  John Wayne Gacy and eh, he went to the cops and Gacy like gave
• 50:55
  his little fugazi fucking talk to to the cops that kind of give
• 50:58
  them a little bit of fucking, you know, dosted over what he
• 51:02
  did with a little bit of fairy dose where he said we are
• 51:05
  consenting, eh? We're all consenting, eh?
• 51:09
  Yeah. He was like, he came on to me.
• 51:10
  His, his whole thing was like, yeah, we're we're born into
• 51:13
  rough stuff. And but obviously like he now
• 51:17
  he's he's trying to, he was trying to extort me for money.
• 51:20
  This is why he said the cops. So he completely like put the
• 51:23
  victim card on to himself and then painted this Donald kid as
• 51:28
  like this little Fokker who was now trying to like extort money
• 51:32
  out of a man who was just kind of exploring his homosexual
• 51:37
  urges like and and it's. And in like the 1960s, like if
• 51:41
  you were like involved in any kind of, you know, gay sex act
• 51:46
  that involved the cops that involved, like getting the cops
• 51:48
  involved afterwards, it was very common that the cops would just
• 51:52
  be like, oh, I don't want to fucking hear about this, like
• 51:54
  whatever. Exactly.
• 51:55
  So I think like he was, he was probably trying to like gross
• 51:58
  them out. Like he's probably trying to put
• 51:59
  them off being like, Hey, look, you know, we're.
• 52:01
  We're. And we're into the rough stuff.
• 52:05
  Yeah. It's like, you know, we're into
• 52:06
  like the rough stuff. Do you want to know about the
• 52:07
  rough stuff? And they would have been like,
• 52:08
  no, absolutely not. It's not going to happen.
• 52:11
  Pretty similar to the the Dahmer incident where he had like that
• 52:16
  thirteen. I think that the boy was like
• 52:18
  1314. The little kid, yeah.
• 52:20
  He escapes and he's in such a bad way, like he's bleeding from
• 52:24
  his asshole and he's like, he's clearly like just fucking out of
• 52:28
  it and he's like, please help me.
• 52:30
  These two women are like he needs help.
• 52:31
  He's my boyfriend. We had a fight and the cops
• 52:34
  literally only because around this time as well, you have the
• 52:37
  whole like AIDS epidemic. And they were just like, we're
• 52:39
  we're not fucking going near this.
• 52:41
  Like you take him, it's fine. He's off our hands.
• 52:44
  We don't want to deal with it. And that was like the sad case
• 52:47
  of like a lot of things for a for a long, long time.
• 52:51
  As soon as they know, it's like it's a gay thing.
• 52:53
  They're kind of like none of our business.
• 52:54
  Like one of one of the best things from this is the next bit
• 52:58
  of how he tries to prove his innocence.
• 53:00
  Yeah, oh fucking ridiculous. So he was claiming publicly that
• 53:06
  Donald's father was doing this for political reasons and to
• 53:10
  prove his innocence. John was like, I demand I'd be
• 53:13
  given a polygraph test, right? And I'll prove to you guys that
• 53:17
  I'm not lying, right. Which polygraph tests are like,
• 53:21
  they're proven now to be like a bunch of shit like they're
• 53:23
  they're not accurate at. All I can solve them because
• 53:25
  like Oh yeah because. Like, I'll pass this test, you
• 53:28
  just watch. Yeah.
• 53:29
  And they're like OK polygraph test and he's like.
• 53:32
  Fuck. So they they hook him up to the
• 53:37
  polygraph. They ask him like, hey, you
• 53:38
  know, did you have sex with this boy?
• 53:41
  John says no I didn't, and the lie detector test determined
• 53:43
  that it was absolutely a lie like.
• 53:45
  He bit off that immediately. Exploded when he because because
• 53:49
  he probably just started, Yeah, he was probably just like
• 53:52
  sitting there, like sweating bullets and like shaking, but
• 53:55
  just going. I'm smarter than these guys.
• 53:58
  I'm going to pass this. Yeah, I think it is.
• 54:00
  Like, that is a huge thing as well.
• 54:02
  When you, you're blatantly lying, like a lot of people will
• 54:04
  be like, right, we'll fucking call them and see.
• 54:06
  Yeah, Fucking like, call them and see, I mean, you do get
• 54:09
  really like, you know, fucking prove me wrong.
• 54:11
  And then when they do, you're like, oh, no.
• 54:13
  Because they think like, being so bold and brazen and like
• 54:17
  throwing your weight around is gonna just make people be like,
• 54:20
  oh, shit, OK, yeah, You know what I mean?
• 54:21
  You've got authority. You're right, but like,
• 54:23
  whatever. So John was indicted on May
• 54:28
  10th, 1968. This all happens in such a short
• 54:32
  space of time. Like all of this, like he just
• 54:34
  really goes mental. 26 at this point. 26 Yeah, obviously he
• 54:39
  wasn't fucking happy when he was indicted and he decides he needs
• 54:42
  to stop Donald from testifying. On August 30th, John decides to
• 54:47
  hire one of his KFC employees to approach Donald and rough him up
• 54:51
  and to convince him not to testify.
• 54:54
  Donald was approached by this guy, but luckily he was able to
• 54:56
  escape. At first the employee denied
• 54:58
  everything, but it really didn't take him long before that.
• 55:01
  The guy just kind of fucking threw John on the bus and
• 55:03
  spilled everything. He was just like, yeah, he paid
• 55:05
  me to to threaten this kid. But also like just the way that
• 55:08
  like he's like, oh, I want to find some people to abuse.
• 55:11
  I'll use my employees at KFC and it's like, oh fuck, one guy.
• 55:14
  He's getting me in trouble with the law.
• 55:15
  I know I get one of my employees at KFC to pick the shit out of
• 55:18
  him. Like he just he, he creates a
• 55:21
  small world and he thinks that he can keep everything within
• 55:23
  that small world. Very gangland for like a fucking
• 55:26
  like you work in a chicken shop Sir like come on.
• 55:30
  Jesus Christ. So because of this, John was
• 55:34
  once again arrested. He was given an additional
• 55:37
  charge for trying to intimidate a witness.
• 55:39
  Not long after that, John was ordered to submit a
• 55:42
  psychological evaluation, and doctors diagnosed John with
• 55:45
  antisocial personality disorder, but they also determined that he
• 55:50
  was fit to stand trial. They did warn the judge that
• 55:54
  John most likely wouldn't benefit from therapy or
• 55:56
  treatment and he probably would commit assault again.
• 56:01
  Could you imagine what those like, interviews were like with
• 56:03
  him? Like, you know, like, you know,
• 56:05
  this guy who, like, thinks he's a big shot and just, like, sees
• 56:08
  people as pawns. Trying to manipulate the doctors
• 56:11
  like. Yeah.
• 56:11
  Yeah, And like, even at the end of it, they were just like,
• 56:14
  look, this guy's going to do it again.
• 56:16
  There's just no hope. It's not like it's kind.
• 56:18
  Of so with the. Ian Watkins case, if you've
• 56:22
  heard of him, they did like a whole thing on him.
• 56:26
  So a psychological evaluation because obviously, like his
• 56:29
  youngest victim was a literal infant baby.
• 56:33
  Your man from steps. I feel so bad for that man.
• 56:38
  I really do feel awful for him. It's fucking tragedy.
• 56:42
  It. Was Jesus.
• 56:43
  Christ feeling's gone. You can't come on though, you
• 56:45
  know so. Jesus fucking Christ.
• 56:52
  I can't look at him. Because now I'm gone.
• 56:57
  So basically they determined that it wasn't just like kids,
• 57:02
  it was any kind of sexual activity at all.
• 57:06
  So it was like kids, all people, animals, insects, like like just
• 57:11
  anything. He was just that depraved.
• 57:13
  So I really would love to have been a well, I wouldn't love to
• 57:16
  have been a family on the wall because he should probably would
• 57:18
  have tried to rape me if he's into insects.
• 57:19
  But like, I really would have loved to have listened to that
• 57:22
  interview just to see how you get that diagnosis.
• 57:26
  As in just a set like sexual deviant that is not safe around
• 57:31
  any other fucking human being. And it's it's good that he's
• 57:34
  dead now. I'll say it, yeah.
• 57:36
  Absolutely. Great that he's dead.
• 57:39
  Great that he's dead. There's another guy that we
• 57:41
  should do an episode on as well called Robert Mosley.
• 57:43
  We have to hear about Robert Mosley.
• 57:45
  One more photo I. Love him.
• 57:47
  I'm a Robert Mosley fan girl and I will to, I will.
• 57:51
  We'll do it a whole episode on, but basically he only killed
• 57:54
  paedophiles. Oh, OK, yeah, then I like this
• 57:57
  guy. And then yeah, and then warned
• 57:59
  the prison when he went to when he was, he was moved from a
• 58:01
  mental facility to EH Broadmoor, I believe.
• 58:04
  I'm not saying I'm not a big fan of Molesey by the way, I'm not
• 58:07
  giving out that we wanted it. It's just that every time she
• 58:10
  gets she gets drunk, mentions them.
• 58:12
  I. Love him, I'm not.
• 58:13
  Drunk, though, I'm not. Now you're not.
• 58:15
  Have you a fucking time? You are every time she mentions
• 58:18
  him. I I just like him a lot.
• 58:19
  I. Say yeah, you, you talked about
• 58:21
  him the last episode. Oh, did I?
• 58:23
  Oh, and then the next episode. No, I I know that I have, but he
• 58:28
  basically he he was he was admitted onto this wing and and
• 58:32
  people like there's still a whole thing where like you guys
• 58:34
  did this on purpose because he straight away he was like, if
• 58:37
  you put me near any kind of sex offender, I will fucking kill
• 58:41
  them. And I'm telling he was never
• 58:42
  violent to anyone else other than well, specifically like
• 58:46
  child rapists, just sex offenders as well in general.
• 58:49
  And he was like, I will fucking kill them.
• 58:51
  And he had his own. He was on like a jet.
• 58:53
  He was in Gen. pop for a while and then they like moved him for
• 58:57
  no fucking reason to a wing with a bunch of like rapists and
• 59:00
  child molesters. He killed like fucking four of
• 59:02
  them with a Chevy, made himself out of Spoon Nice, walked into
• 59:07
  the warden's office. It's like you're for sure that
• 59:09
  roll call tomorrow and put it down.
• 59:11
  And he's been living in a glass box on.
• 59:13
  He was the inspiration for Hannibal, but he's been living
• 59:17
  in a glass box under Broadmoor for the last like 30 years.
• 59:20
  Do you, do you think that it's like that scene in Watchmen when
• 59:23
  Rorschach goes to prison and he's like, you don't understand?
• 59:26
  You're I'm not trapped in here with you.
• 59:28
  You're locked in here with me. Yeah, I think so.
• 59:33
  So fucking it's so. And all his family still appeal
• 59:36
  for him. Like there's so many people that
• 59:38
  like writing letters to be like, well, let him out because he
• 59:40
  only kills horrible people. He's like, very much like a
• 59:43
  Deadpool, kind of. Feeling a paedophile?
• 59:45
  I succulent Chinese paedophile. I see, I see.
• 59:49
  You know how to make your ships and.
• 59:53
  And you he got like. Receive my shift.
• 59:58
  Let go of my penis. Yeah.
• 1:00:04
  Yeah, I've just watched his videos yesterday because I just
• 1:00:08
  wanted to. I just wanted to laugh.
• 1:00:09
  His interviews, like we did some interviews in the last couple of
• 1:00:12
  years, like before he died and he is phenomenal because
• 1:00:16
  everyone was just like, dude, the Internet fucking loves you.
• 1:00:18
  And he's just like, I can see why he's like.
• 1:00:22
  Yes. But yeah, like, this guy was
• 1:00:25
  just fucking great anyway, so let's move on.
• 1:00:28
  We are so bad we have deviated so far all this.
• 1:00:32
  I know I just I can't not talk about Modesley every episode.
• 1:00:35
  So during this trial, which is on November 7th, 1968, John
• 1:00:40
  pleaded guilty to the charge of sodomy against Ronald but
• 1:00:44
  claimed that. Ronald Donald.
• 1:00:47
  Look, he worked for KFC, not. For McDonald's, I know, I know.
• 1:00:51
  That's where I'm going with this.
• 1:00:55
  He claimed that Donald had propositioned him, not the other
• 1:00:58
  way around. No one believed.
• 1:00:59
  Classic. Pedo moved.
• 1:01:01
  Classic. And he ended up being convicted
• 1:01:05
  on December 3rd and he was sentenced to 10 years in 10.
• 1:01:10
  Years is now. I know, like, in 1968 they were
• 1:01:13
  probably like, let's just give him 10 years because he's gay,
• 1:01:16
  full stop. And then it's like, Oh, yeah, he
• 1:01:17
  also, like, attacked some kids. But like, 10 years is a hell of
• 1:01:21
  a sentence that you wouldn't see people getting 10 years now.
• 1:01:23
  And people, you know, like, much more understand the crime
• 1:01:27
  because, like, back then, well, this has been a crime for a long
• 1:01:30
  time. But like, you know, people in
• 1:01:32
  society weren't as common as they are now.
• 1:01:36
  Like back then, like, you know, Gacy was kind of, you know,
• 1:01:39
  especially in America, it was just like one of the first like,
• 1:01:44
  you know, like just major fucking freaks.
• 1:01:47
  I think just comes out of like lead poisoning.
• 1:01:49
  I think there is there is actually a correlation between
• 1:01:54
  like lead poisoning and when there was this big boom of
• 1:01:58
  serial killers and murderers and spree killers in America in like
• 1:02:03
  the like 50s, sixties, 70s and 80s.
• 1:02:05
  OK, interesting. Actually.
• 1:02:06
  Yeah, there is like a correlation with cities and
• 1:02:09
  areas that had a higher percentage of lead in the water
• 1:02:13
  from the pipes. Yeah.
• 1:02:15
  Yeah, it's really mental, but like, at the same time, we're
• 1:02:17
  just like, but I mean, you know, it could be anything.
• 1:02:20
  Yeah, yeah. Well, it's funny when you say
• 1:02:22
  about the same, it's like he got 10 years for this act of sodomy,
• 1:02:25
  which like a single act of sodomy, which is like later on
• 1:02:29
  when you hear of order like serial killers that were getting
• 1:02:33
  away with stuff before, like they we find out that they're
• 1:02:36
  serial killers and like they don't worst crimes than like the
• 1:02:39
  crime of obviously just being gay outside.
• 1:02:41
  Of that, yeah. And and they were getting later
• 1:02:44
  sentences than that, but the George was like, obviously like
• 1:02:49
  they're in A at a time and in a place where like he was making
• 1:02:54
  an example of Gacy, which is like, yeah, 10 years.
• 1:02:59
  If you think about what if this if they actually pull if if they
• 1:03:03
  actually went down the route of like had him as a rapist and he
• 1:03:07
  served a sentence where it would have been longer and he wouldn't
• 1:03:10
  have been allowed parole. John Wayne Gacy as we know
• 1:03:13
  probably wouldn't have existed. But as we and we're about to
• 1:03:17
  find out now. Yeah.
• 1:03:21
  Yeah, unfortunately, that is not the case.
• 1:03:23
  And so the same day Marilyn petitioned for a divorce and
• 1:03:27
  sole custody of their two children, the judge granted her
• 1:03:31
  the divorce and John never saw her or his two kids again.
• 1:03:35
  Now he died without hearing from her, seeing this woman or the
• 1:03:38
  kids. Which?
• 1:03:40
  Is is good for them, like honestly.
• 1:03:43
  And I really hope that they lived out the rest of their
• 1:03:46
  lives kind of completely fucking forgetting about this man.
• 1:03:49
  And I think most of us would consider going to prison,
• 1:03:53
  getting divorced and losing custody of your kids.
• 1:03:56
  Probably rock bottom right? Unless you hate your bitch kids
• 1:04:00
  and your your whore wife, then maybe not.
• 1:04:02
  But John really didn't. He was making the most of his
• 1:04:07
  life in prison. And as much as we hate him,
• 1:04:10
  everybody said that this man had Dr. Ambition charm.
• 1:04:14
  And because of this little trifecta of personality or
• 1:04:17
  whatever, it really didn't take John long before he was given
• 1:04:20
  the position of head. Just like shoehorning himself
• 1:04:24
  into like, you know, a community and, you know, making himself
• 1:04:29
  important and being like, you know, wanting to become the
• 1:04:31
  cook. And it's like, I provide food
• 1:04:34
  for everybody. I am, I am dad, you know, I am
• 1:04:37
  the head of the household. Yeah, and I mean, I've watched
• 1:04:40
  Oz it it takes a lot to get that role of head cook.
• 1:04:44
  There's a lot of things about Oz that is very unbelievable now,
• 1:04:47
  Danny, like, let's. Yeah.
• 1:04:49
  I know. But I I live by and that's just
• 1:04:52
  how I see prison now. It's just awesome.
• 1:04:54
  Orange is the New Black. Captain Janeway was the cook and
• 1:04:57
  it wasn't. She showed us this like Russian
• 1:04:59
  prisoner. Oh.
• 1:05:00
  Yeah, big reason. It is like a it is a prestigious
• 1:05:04
  position to have as a, as an inmate, yeah.
• 1:05:07
  And BC became a cook at one stage, didn't he in ours?
• 1:05:11
  Oh little hat, I love other baby.
• 1:05:13
  What was it? Is it O'Reilly that was putting
• 1:05:15
  the glass into? I can't remember who it was, but
• 1:05:19
  he was like grinding up glass and putting it into one of the
• 1:05:21
  other. Inmates This is why it's a low
• 1:05:23
  bar to be a good chef in in a prison is.
• 1:05:26
  Yeah, you're. You're you're not actively
• 1:05:29
  trying to kill the other inmates that you don't like.
• 1:05:32
  But also, was he a good chef? Because like when you work for a
• 1:05:35
  franchise like KFC, you just thought everything is like.
• 1:05:38
  He would have. Known the secret ingredient to
• 1:05:40
  the batter and he would have brought that into prison.
• 1:05:42
  Oh my. God, yeah.
• 1:05:43
  Do you? Think he had like a prison KFC?
• 1:05:46
  There's people passing that down as a family recipe now.
• 1:05:49
  To this day, people have really good batter.
• 1:05:52
  And it was just like, Oh my God, it tastes exactly like KFC.
• 1:05:54
  It's just because they they so. Tortured.
• 1:05:55
  Everybody. Sometime and the guy who's the
• 1:05:59
  head chef? Like he fucking knew his way
• 1:06:01
  around some goddamn fried chicken.
• 1:06:02
  I had to suck off this fat clown.
• 1:06:05
  Ancient Chinese secret. So anyway, we didn't take long
• 1:06:12
  for his made the head quote. He found a way to increase the
• 1:06:15
  daily pay for the inmates who worked in the mess hall.
• 1:06:19
  He represented the people. He also joined the prison.
• 1:06:23
  Like a chase. Being a being imprisoned.
• 1:06:26
  Yeah. Like.
• 1:06:29
  Yeah, legit. And he increased their
• 1:06:32
  membership by adding or bringing in 600 people in just over it
• 1:06:37
  was either during. The JC chapter or, you know,
• 1:06:40
  become a white supremacist in that prison, Yeah.
• 1:06:43
  Yeah, that's there in one or two, one or two.
• 1:06:45
  And so this guy, yeah, just he, he fucking, he makes moves like,
• 1:06:50
  we'll give him that. And then on top of all that, he
• 1:06:53
  found ways to improve the conditions of the prison.
• 1:06:56
  One thing he did was he got them to install a mini golf course in
• 1:07:00
  the rec yard because he was fucking so good with his words
• 1:07:03
  that he was like us horrible people deserve many more.
• 1:07:06
  Evidence. More evidence that people who
• 1:07:08
  like golf cannot be trusted. They can't.
• 1:07:11
  They absolutely can't. It's not a sport.
• 1:07:14
  I'll just say I'm going to like, it's like there's a bunch of
• 1:07:17
  fucking Canadians and Americans that listen to.
• 1:07:19
  It's not a sport. Anyway.
• 1:07:23
  It really is. You could be walking.
• 1:07:25
  Yeah, it's a pill up. That usually involves business
• 1:07:29
  networking and sexism. And then you hit A and then you
• 1:07:33
  hit a ball. So mad about.
• 1:07:35
  It be honest with you. They get so.
• 1:07:37
  Skilled, mad and annoyed it I tried it a couple of times just
• 1:07:42
  to be out like. I tried when I was younger too
• 1:07:43
  and I sucked. How do you get a ball that says
• 1:07:46
  it's a whole laugh far away? I just don't.
• 1:07:48
  I'm great at like. Fucking mini golf.
• 1:07:50
  No one can beat me in mini golf. Like I went to Golf Fang for my
• 1:07:55
  birthday. I don't know if you do.
• 1:07:56
  Is there a Golf Fang in London? Golf thing.
• 1:07:57
  No, There, there, there. It's one of the it's there's a
• 1:08:00
  few over country. Towards like East London are not
• 1:08:05
  towards W London there is a dinosaur pitch and push or no,
• 1:08:09
  it's not even pitch and push. It's just dinosaur mini golf and
• 1:08:12
  you can bet your ass I've been there.
• 1:08:16
  I love it, but it's so golfing is basically like a nightclub,
• 1:08:20
  but it's like 18 holes of golf and you make your way through
• 1:08:23
  this nightclub and there's like different places of stuff, but
• 1:08:25
  every, every point for different drinks and stuff.
• 1:08:27
  It's really cool. And all these like theme.
• 1:08:30
  It's the best. It's so good.
• 1:08:31
  They're dinosaurs because it's there's a dinosaur hole.
• 1:08:35
  Yeah. Is there?
• 1:08:36
  It's all themed and like the the so the different holes have like
• 1:08:40
  different themes and they're all done by like local artists that
• 1:08:44
  design these like this is the most.
• 1:08:47
  It's really, really cool. I've.
• 1:08:48
  Never heard of my fucking. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:08:51
  It's so hipster, but it's, it's a lot of fun.
• 1:08:53
  It is really good. So you like you and they have
• 1:08:55
  like the, they have like those, you know, those like mozzarella
• 1:08:57
  sticks that are like the size of like a baby's arm, the big
• 1:09:00
  fucking chunky ones. And then they have all these
• 1:09:02
  like themed cocktails and like stuff.
• 1:09:05
  And then you just go around and then there's like, like vending
• 1:09:08
  machines with beers and like dildos.
• 1:09:11
  Which is cool. Tell me this how long did John
• 1:09:14
  Wayne Gacy stay in prison? Just you.
• 1:09:19
  You're, you're me this week. Like you're you're keeping just
• 1:09:22
  on. Just so much of this, of this
• 1:09:25
  John Wayne Gacy. There's so much on this terrible
• 1:09:27
  man. There is a lot, but anyway, so
• 1:09:31
  he brought in 600 people every year to the JC community, had
• 1:09:35
  the mini golf thing. It basically just seemed that
• 1:09:38
  whatever he put his mind to, he could make happen whatever kind
• 1:09:43
  of community that he he was in. So after serving just 18 months
• 1:09:49
  of his 10 year sentence, he was granted parole.
• 1:09:54
  He was only given one year probation and he swore up and
• 1:09:59
  down that he was a new man. But it's that thing like in
• 1:10:02
  prison where like clearly everything he was doing was to
• 1:10:04
  make himself seem like he was a pillar of the community.
• 1:10:06
  And it's like, look what a good boy I am.
• 1:10:07
  I, I got them paid more. I made them good food.
• 1:10:10
  I got the mini golf, you know, I unionized, I got everyone, you
• 1:10:13
  know, better money. I had the JC chapter, you know,
• 1:10:16
  like I kept, you know, I'm. Sure, don't worry about that.
• 1:10:19
  Don't meant don't talk about the crimes.
• 1:10:20
  We don't talk about those crimes, you know, I'm like.
• 1:10:24
  I can just seem. Like sitting there just fucking
• 1:10:26
  conniving, going, OK, how do I convince these people that I'm
• 1:10:29
  good? Oh, I know.
• 1:10:30
  I'll, I'll get the inmates paid better for the slave labor that
• 1:10:34
  America, you know, puts all their their inmates.
• 1:10:36
  Yeah, Yeah, that'll do. Yeah, that that's all he had to
• 1:10:40
  do. But but he basically like he
• 1:10:42
  swore up and down that he was a changed man, He wasn't the same
• 1:10:45
  John, blah, blah, blah. Fine.
• 1:10:48
  So he gets out, he moves back to Chicago and he got a job as a
• 1:10:53
  cook in a restaurant. But as we all know, tigers don't
• 1:10:56
  change their stripes. So it was less than a year and
• 1:10:59
  John was like, I'm bored. I'm going to rape some kids
• 1:11:02
  again. So once again, John was charged
• 1:11:05
  with sexually assaulting a teenage boy on at least two or
• 1:11:08
  more occasions. In both cases, the charges were
• 1:11:14
  ended up being dropped and John was free to go.
• 1:11:17
  This is kind of where it gets a little bit confusing.
• 1:11:22
  The Iowa Parole Board didn't learn about any of this until
• 1:11:26
  eight months later, after John's parole had already ended.
• 1:11:31
  So a month. They were like, oh, well, we
• 1:11:34
  should really put him back in prison because he violated his
• 1:11:37
  parole. But now it's too late because we
• 1:11:39
  didn't get him at the time that his that his parole was in fact.
• 1:11:43
  Yeah, we're too late, basically. And because it was like across
• 1:11:46
  state lines, like the the level like, you know, back in the 60s,
• 1:11:49
  like the level of communication between them would have been
• 1:11:51
  like practically nonexistent. Like it would it would he would
• 1:11:54
  have had to like set something like, you know, set the fucking
• 1:11:56
  prison on fire for them to call the other prison be like, Hey,
• 1:11:59
  did you have this guy who fucking was really good cook?
• 1:12:02
  But even with the even with the cops, yeah.
• 1:12:04
  Pretty much you. Could go a town over and commit
• 1:12:06
  a bunch more crimes and. Oh, you would be anonymous
• 1:12:09
  record, Yeah. I know it's, it's nowhere near
• 1:12:11
  to the same extent, but there is still like a massive problem
• 1:12:15
  with communication between states as well that there's kind
• 1:12:18
  of like almost like a begrudging of another state getting
• 1:12:21
  involved in a state's kind of like issues because there's and
• 1:12:25
  it's like. Where it's just like, ah,
• 1:12:27
  Illinois wants our records for Iowa.
• 1:12:30
  We do things by the book. Yeah, like legit.
• 1:12:33
  And it is, it is like, and then like nobody kind of shuts up and
• 1:12:36
  cooperates until the FBI just gets involved.
• 1:12:38
  And then they as. We all know the FBI are super
• 1:12:40
  competent. Oh yeah, totally, totally
• 1:12:43
  fucking competent. So yeah, basically he.
• 1:12:48
  The Iowa parole board didn't learn about the any of this
• 1:12:50
  until eight months later, after John's parole had already ended.
• 1:12:55
  So a month later, John's previous criminal convictions
• 1:12:58
  were sealed, allowing him a fresh start once again.
• 1:13:01
  So that's completely gone. That is why there's no, yeah,
• 1:13:06
  just he has no, no previous records.
• 1:13:08
  As far as anyone else is concerned, he can go and he can
• 1:13:10
  just like rape someone all over again.
• 1:13:12
  And it's it's. Fine.
• 1:13:13
  You all over again. Sorry.
• 1:13:19
  So. Jesus, fresh start once again.
• 1:13:22
  OK, so he asked his mom for some help buying a house in Cook
• 1:13:26
  County in Chicago and they moved in together.
• 1:13:29
  So him and his mom, he starts a part time construction business
• 1:13:33
  and he's working on construction con contracts in the evening
• 1:13:36
  while working as the cook during the day.
• 1:13:38
  Eventually his construction business expands into interior
• 1:13:41
  design and remodeling and this allows him to quit being a cook
• 1:13:45
  and run his business full time. John becomes once again super
• 1:13:51
  active in his local I. Think at this point this is just
• 1:13:53
  a euphemism for John, and John once again becomes super active
• 1:13:56
  in assaults. Yeah, basically pretty much.
• 1:14:01
  He assists his new neighbors by loaning them tools for any of
• 1:14:06
  their home DIY projects. He also even offers to play with
• 1:14:09
  the snow for his neighbors for free, which is a dumb thing in
• 1:14:13
  America anyway. While his neighbors said.
• 1:14:16
  If you just people, just you. Know little old ladies on the
• 1:14:19
  same St. as them that were like you'd get up in the morning and
• 1:14:23
  yeah. They loved it, but they.
• 1:14:24
  Would just be shovelled and John wouldn't have said anything
• 1:14:28
  anyone. He didn't even come in like
• 1:14:29
  didn't knock on the door. He just done it out of goodness
• 1:14:31
  of his heart now as well, like. You imagine just how smug he
• 1:14:35
  felt doing that. I think like in my opinion now,
• 1:14:40
  I do think a lot of that is the fact that he was so close with
• 1:14:44
  his mother, who did kind of seem to be like his only, I don't
• 1:14:48
  want to say fan, but like support, I guess like fucking,
• 1:14:53
  you know what I mean? Like she she was always there
• 1:14:55
  for him and he did love her and she was always good to him.
• 1:14:57
  And I think he kind of like had a thing for he.
• 1:15:00
  Had a praise kink? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:15:02
  Yes, that's that's. That I mean, we've established
• 1:15:05
  already, but when it, when it comes to like older women and
• 1:15:07
  stuff, he always just really did want to help and he kind of just
• 1:15:09
  saw that as, I don't know, like he, he just, he seemed to always
• 1:15:13
  want to help like older women with things and, and like be
• 1:15:17
  that kind of client. I think it's just gathering
• 1:15:19
  favor as well though, you know what I mean?
• 1:15:21
  If you go out and you do it after, yeah, yeah, all women are
• 1:15:23
  now like word of mouth gets around because they're going to
• 1:15:25
  be the ones that are out talk and shit like on their little
• 1:15:28
  walks. They'll just be like, oh, he's,
• 1:15:30
  he's such a lovely little boy. Yeah, so nice.
• 1:15:33
  But to to not say anything about it and he would do it like
• 1:15:36
  literally no one would know it was.
• 1:15:38
  Like they. Knew it was.
• 1:15:39
  They knew it was him. They knew it was him, but.
• 1:15:42
  No, I know they do, but like it wasn't.
• 1:15:43
  Until. Like that's no fully erect.
• 1:15:46
  But like, but that's that's what the thing was like he.
• 1:15:50
  Tell me I'm good, mommy. He was.
• 1:15:51
  So clever about it that like, and again, I'm not gonna like he
• 1:15:56
  was a smart guy. I'm like, in the end, I'm not
• 1:15:59
  saying like he got away with all his crimes because he's really
• 1:16:01
  clever because to be honest with you, I just think he got away
• 1:16:03
  with all this crime, crime because the cops are inept.
• 1:16:05
  But eh, yes, boy, he himself was just so good at like reading
• 1:16:13
  what he had to do, because we can see it like when he got into
• 1:16:16
  prison, he actually went through the ranks.
• 1:16:18
  He could have been he could have been his own prison guard if he
• 1:16:20
  wanted. I if he was given enough time
• 1:16:22
  there. So like when he get gets back
• 1:16:24
  out in his eyes, it's what do I have to do to seem?
• 1:16:28
  It's not what do I have to do to be this guy?
• 1:16:30
  What do we have to seem like? So that all so that these people
• 1:16:33
  because like he came out and he, he basically said he, he got
• 1:16:37
  political aspirations because this JC club kind of had him
• 1:16:41
  feeling like, oh, maybe I could be like, you know, a mayor or a
• 1:16:44
  Comptroller. Or somewhere.
• 1:16:45
  Yeah, yeah. So he junior.
• 1:16:47
  Comptroller, Yeah. So.
• 1:16:51
  Junior vice president. He was, he was like, well,
• 1:16:55
  again, I'm not saying what was in his head, but like, here's
• 1:16:57
  here's what I gather from all of this.
• 1:16:59
  Even like listening to him talking about it like later on,
• 1:17:03
  like he was doing stuff and in his head he's saying it's
• 1:17:09
  because I'm, it's because I'm proactive and I'm a workaholic
• 1:17:12
  and the more I do. But really what he's doing there
• 1:17:15
  is he's gaining favor with everybody because everything is
• 1:17:19
  a political move. Like when he was, when he was in
• 1:17:22
  charge in KFC, he was showing up giving free KFC, much to his
• 1:17:28
  fucking father in law's chagrin. He was giving out free KFC.
• 1:17:32
  Like we're talking about. He was trying party parties with
• 1:17:36
  free booze. He was giving out all this
• 1:17:38
  favorites are all this stuff so he can gain favor with people.
• 1:17:42
  And it's the same thing now. It's just a more wholesome
• 1:17:45
  version of handing out beer. Like the little old ladies, they
• 1:17:48
  didn't want beer. What they wanted was security or
• 1:17:53
  to feel safe to feel like someone is out there looking out
• 1:17:56
  for them. And that's what he was.
• 1:17:57
  He was this little guardian Angel on his, on his Rd. that
• 1:18:01
  now these people are going to start talking about.
• 1:18:04
  Oh, when someone comes around and says eh, number like #1
• 1:18:08
  while eh, do you think John Wayne Gacy would be good for the
• 1:18:12
  community if he was to like be a mayor or whatever, they'd say,
• 1:18:16
  yeah, he's the best. He does this, he does that.
• 1:18:18
  You get glowing reviews. Also if the cops came around and
• 1:18:20
  said here do you think this guy eh would hangover guy and eh
• 1:18:25
  fucking molest them and they'd say.
• 1:18:28
  He was the best. Guy.
• 1:18:29
  Around. But basically everyone, everyone
• 1:18:37
  loved him, like, really. And then it got to a point where
• 1:18:40
  he would hold these like, fucking massive, like backyard
• 1:18:44
  barbecues this summer. And sometimes the guest list
• 1:18:47
  would be up to 400 people, like fucking like just block parties
• 1:18:53
  really, rather than like backyard barbecues at this
• 1:18:57
  point. Then John was also introduced to
• 1:18:59
  another club that had really piqued his interest.
• 1:19:02
  It's called the Jolly Joker Clown Club, or just basically
• 1:19:07
  you can call it all of my exits. And they would volunteer.
• 1:19:14
  Now, to be fair, to be fair, none of your exes would be
• 1:19:17
  capable of alliteration, so I don't think like the Jolly Joker
• 1:19:20
  clown club is the kind of thing that they could string a few
• 1:19:22
  brain cells together to create. Yeah.
• 1:19:24
  I mean, yeah, they would volunteer at parades,
• 1:19:29
  fundraising events, children's hospitals, and they would dress
• 1:19:33
  up as clowns and just go make people happy by being a clown.
• 1:19:38
  And so John gets super into this, and he creates two
• 1:19:42
  different clown characters for these events that he attends,
• 1:19:46
  mentioned earlier. So one of the clown characters
• 1:19:49
  was named Pogo the Clown and the other was Hatches.
• 1:19:54
  And then like years later during conversation with detectives and
• 1:19:57
  when he was under surveillance, he talked about like the
• 1:20:00
  volunteer work that he was doing when he was these clowns.
• 1:20:04
  He casually says clowns can get away with murder, that that's.
• 1:20:08
  Like him, you know, he's, he's so he's so cocky, like he's,
• 1:20:12
  he's so cocky. And because like, you know, at
• 1:20:14
  that point when the cops are like interviewing him, like he
• 1:20:16
  is committed like a lot more crime.
• 1:20:18
  And he's he's got away with it for so long.
• 1:20:20
  And so he thinks that like, he can just sit there and be like,
• 1:20:23
  you know, clowns can get away with murder.
• 1:20:25
  And he thinks that the and he thinks that the cops are just
• 1:20:27
  like sitting there going, Oh, I guess that's a good point.
• 1:20:31
  The because the cops, because, because the cops probably were
• 1:20:34
  sitting there going. He just talked about gay stuff.
• 1:20:36
  I don't want to listen to anything else.
• 1:20:38
  Yeah, shut up. Gross.
• 1:20:40
  Talk about your clowns. More so, yeah.
• 1:20:44
  So John's life is, it's really looking up at this point.
• 1:20:48
  He's got this fresh start. He's got this house with his
• 1:20:50
  mom. He's partying, he's back in the
• 1:20:52
  organization, he's volunteering, and he also got a fresh start on
• 1:20:56
  his love life. He ended up reconnecting with an
• 1:20:59
  ex-girlfriend from his high school.
• 1:21:01
  I don't know which high school there were, there were many high
• 1:21:03
  schools. So one of the high schools and
• 1:21:07
  her name was Carol. And at this point she already
• 1:21:10
  had two daughters. So she and her two daughters
• 1:21:12
  move in with John and his mother and they get engaged pretty
• 1:21:15
  quickly and they get married on July 1st, like 2.
• 1:21:20
  Well, how old is he then? So at this point, he is. 3030,
• 1:21:22
  yeah. So.
• 1:21:24
  Yeah, like how? Do I?
• 1:21:26
  Know his moves fast. He she knew about his past as
• 1:21:29
  well. But I like, and he had kind of
• 1:21:32
  promised her that it was like, that's just a flash in the pan
• 1:21:36
  kind of thing. Like it's not going to happen.
• 1:21:37
  Maybe that was me when I was younger.
• 1:21:39
  I'm a new man that. Was me two.
• 1:21:41
  Years ago and and we'll we'll go in we'll we'll go into that more
• 1:21:46
  on the next episode because there is a lot of speculation
• 1:21:50
  that she was in on it the entire time I.
• 1:21:52
  Don't blame the woman. Yeah, bury you.
• 1:21:55
  You know. What?
• 1:22:00
  I would be the one. Doing it but.
• 1:22:06
  I think we're with with this lady not to kind of read again,
• 1:22:10
  read into people's minds or whatever, but I like she's a
• 1:22:14
  divorce, a divorcee, divorcee, whichever one it is in the
• 1:22:20
  divorcee. Divorcee.
• 1:22:21
  Divorcee in the, you know, 70s, eh?
• 1:22:26
  Damaged. Goods.
• 1:22:28
  You know, so she she hasn't got like many options, I'd say.
• 1:22:33
  And then she comes across this guy who is is, by all intents
• 1:22:39
  and purposes, showing interest in her.
• 1:22:41
  He's a successful man now. He's had one or two little
• 1:22:44
  fumblings with a little bit of sodomy, eh?
• 1:22:48
  You're cutting me deep with my taste now as I get older.
• 1:22:51
  You're just describing. Me, he's, he's, he's such a,
• 1:22:54
  he's such a good pillar of the community.
• 1:22:55
  He volunteers. He, he, he, he dresses up as a
• 1:22:58
  child and he goes to sick kids and hospitals.
• 1:23:00
  He's like, come on. Mine is just he can read, he
• 1:23:04
  knows how to wipe his own ass. About what they're asked, like
• 1:23:06
  reading. Is not their strong suit.
• 1:23:10
  No, I mean like to be fair, I've.
• 1:23:12
  Fucked guys who've gone to. Harvard, but on scholarships, so
• 1:23:15
  I don't think it counts. Yeah, I've, I've been to
• 1:23:20
  Harvard. I.
• 1:23:21
  Like them Apple? I've been to Harvard and.
• 1:23:24
  Like you know when you. Walk around there.
• 1:23:25
  You're not exactly. Filled with inspiration about
• 1:23:27
  the. Future of the World because most
• 1:23:28
  of them do come across as incredibly stupid if.
• 1:23:34
  You. I think that's a huge thing
• 1:23:36
  because like. Oh, that is an.
• 1:23:38
  Excellent point. College.
• 1:23:41
  Sports in the in the US is like fucking insanely.
• 1:23:44
  You can you can have. You can have no exams behind
• 1:23:46
  you, but if you're really good at fucking football.
• 1:23:48
  Oh yeah. Like, yeah, come on.
• 1:23:50
  Like there is a like it is a known thing that there is like a
• 1:23:53
  disproportionate amount. Of NFL players who are
• 1:23:55
  borderline illiterate. Oh yeah, like absolutely fucking
• 1:24:00
  and just. Ridiculous like.
• 1:24:02
  Like the lowest of the low Iqs and they've gone to like fucking
• 1:24:05
  but God damn it they can catch a fucking pigskin.
• 1:24:08
  Damn it, they can. It's.
• 1:24:13
  Oh well. This thing.
• 1:24:15
  Now it's not. Stop talking about fucking
• 1:24:16
  Harvard. I'm.
• 1:24:19
  I'm I'm very well. Read.
• 1:24:21
  I'll have you there. I was answering questions I
• 1:24:26
  couldn't. Give up.
• 1:24:27
  An opportunity. Like it was right there in.
• 1:24:28
  Front of me you're. Sitting on it, you were like
• 1:24:31
  that kid in class and he's trying not to fart.
• 1:24:33
  He's like. So where am I?
• 1:24:36
  So yeah, Carol moves in with. Her daughters, well, blah.
• 1:24:39
  So. They get married on the 1st of
• 1:24:41
  July 1972 wouldn't last long about three years after they got
• 1:24:45
  married, John just out of. The blue.
• 1:24:48
  Tell us, Carol, one day. I just want to let you know that
• 1:24:51
  I'm bisexual. I don't know how she took that,
• 1:24:54
  but she did. She stayed with him.
• 1:24:56
  And then on Mother's Day of that same year, John gave her a
• 1:25:01
  pretty shitty gift to be to say the least.
• 1:25:04
  After having sex with her, he turns to her and says, oh, by
• 1:25:08
  the way, this is the last time we're ever having sex ever.
• 1:25:11
  And he didn't, he didn't elaborate, he didn't explain.
• 1:25:14
  And she was just like really confused and she was kind of
• 1:25:17
  like, I mean, I have follow up questions.
• 1:25:19
  What? But there was no explanation, so
• 1:25:22
  she was really confused. She thought like maybe it's just
• 1:25:26
  a phase. But after that, Carol notices
• 1:25:30
  that their relationship really goes downhill.
• 1:25:33
  John was working really late nights.
• 1:25:34
  He wouldn't come home until crazy hours in the morning.
• 1:25:37
  And then one day while he was gone, Carol started snooping
• 1:25:40
  around in John's little man cave area that he has and she comes
• 1:25:44
  across a bunch of gay porn and she also finds a few different
• 1:25:49
  men's wallets in the house. Apparently he was.
• 1:25:51
  Eventually Carl asked for a divorce.
• 1:25:54
  Not really. Nonchalant about the gay porn.
• 1:25:56
  Stuff like they was just leaving it laying around all over.
• 1:25:57
  He didn't have a hidden anywhere.
• 1:26:00
  Well, he yeah, he told her he was bi, so I think he.
• 1:26:03
  Probably felt less pressure to. Like hide it, I guess it's the
• 1:26:07
  men's wallet. Things like, you know, like is
• 1:26:08
  it was he was he robbing dudes? You know, like.
• 1:26:11
  Could these be linked to like disappearances?
• 1:26:14
  Like, are these like some of his earliest, you know, victims or
• 1:26:18
  like, are they weird trophies from guys that he had sex with?
• 1:26:21
  And I think that's where it kind of comes to.
• 1:26:26
  People thinking she was involved and she knew about it because
• 1:26:29
  like, if I'm, if my, if I'm finding random men's wallets all
• 1:26:34
  the time in my house, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna, I'm gonna do
• 1:26:38
  something, I'm gonna go to the police.
• 1:26:39
  I'd be like, because like, you're like, hey, I'm back down
• 1:26:42
  here. I'm handing in my fifth loss
• 1:26:43
  wallet this week, by the way, what's going on with these?
• 1:26:47
  Just to play the the candle here and like I.
• 1:26:52
  I'd be wondering like if she did know, was she just?
• 1:26:56
  Keeping like she. I don't let's say she wasn't an
• 1:27:00
  accomplice, but she might be complicit.
• 1:27:02
  Like she's not, she's not exactly like going out and
• 1:27:06
  finding them some dudes, but like she's probably.
• 1:27:09
  Like. OK, he is getting up to all
• 1:27:12
  sorts. Now, whether she knows about him
• 1:27:16
  like molesting and killing people, that's another thing.
• 1:27:19
  But like, is she just hold on to the stay at school and being
• 1:27:22
  like, if I don't say anything, he'll let me live in this house
• 1:27:26
  and we can, you know, I'll pretend to be The Good Wife so
• 1:27:29
  that he has this outward like their persona to people he wants
• 1:27:36
  to like express exactly so like when he goes for office.
• 1:27:39
  And stuff like. That like that he has.
• 1:27:41
  A family life? Yeah, exactly.
• 1:27:44
  Yeah. Yeah, she did eventually ask for
• 1:27:47
  a divorce. But.
• 1:27:48
  A part of me kind of thinks like, would she have stuck
• 1:27:51
  around a lot longer and kind of just like we're in a bird if she
• 1:27:54
  didn't have two daughters? You know what I mean?
• 1:27:56
  Like it, it might have been a case of where she's just kind of
• 1:27:59
  all right, this is getting like really real now.
• 1:28:01
  I don't want this for them. So I'll go.
• 1:28:03
  Wasn't her mother around at some stage?
• 1:28:05
  And she has, I think. Like she was like, you need to
• 1:28:09
  get out of this fucking relationship because this guy,
• 1:28:11
  there's something weird about this guy.
• 1:28:12
  Like the closer you get home, like which is understandable.
• 1:28:16
  Like I don't really. It's weird that not.
• 1:28:19
  It's not reported that a lot of people have that feeling about
• 1:28:22
  him, which I'm very. Surprised about he?
• 1:28:24
  Didn't let people in to see him even it was the.
• 1:28:28
  Facade but when you have someone like they saw the killer of the
• 1:28:31
  community. Exactly.
• 1:28:32
  Yeah, you're, you're seeing what the, Yeah.
• 1:28:34
  What he wants the picture that he.
• 1:28:36
  Painted for the community what he wants you to see or like when
• 1:28:39
  you have someone who is living in that space and like it's so
• 1:28:43
  close to you. And the mother-in-law, from what
• 1:28:46
  I can remember, from what I've been listening to that she was
• 1:28:52
  like, I don't like this guy. There's something fucked up.
• 1:28:54
  Why is this house so smelly number one and fucking.
• 1:28:59
  I don't like the way he is what you like.
• 1:29:03
  Yeah. So she she did ask for a
• 1:29:04
  divorce. But then she also stayed for
• 1:29:06
  like another 4. Months before moving out and
• 1:29:08
  which that obviously again, that couldn't just be like and she
• 1:29:11
  was difficult. She was really about the divorce
• 1:29:14
  because when? They came to the understanding
• 1:29:18
  on the divorce, she wrote down that he was being unfaithful
• 1:29:24
  with other women. And never mentioned.
• 1:29:26
  That there was boys involved. And so, yeah, she knew there
• 1:29:28
  was. She knew that it was a
• 1:29:30
  homosexual thing when he was into teenage boys.
• 1:29:33
  And I think as well like back then at that time.
• 1:29:38
  It would have pretty gone. Against him, she she might ruin
• 1:29:40
  his reputation. Really nice, yeah.
• 1:29:44
  Yeah, like nicer, he wrote down. Like he wrote down on his his
• 1:29:48
  grounds for divorce. That she didn't cook him
• 1:29:50
  dinners? Well, it's fair.
• 1:29:55
  Enough he. Was the cop.
• 1:29:58
  Yeah, that's true. That is true.
• 1:30:01
  So John's construction. Business employed a lot of high
• 1:30:05
  school students, and the reason was because, for one, John, you
• 1:30:09
  know, liked it, obviously, But for the construction crew, they
• 1:30:13
  wanted someone who was fit and could handle the harder labour.
• 1:30:17
  During this time, John was using his work Rolodex as means to
• 1:30:21
  hook up with men. He would test the waters to see
• 1:30:24
  if certain employees were down for sex or at least sexual
• 1:30:27
  favors in exchange for extra money.
• 1:30:31
  Sometimes he would offer young men to borrow his car.
• 1:30:33
  Sometimes he'd be like, hey, if you have sex with me, I'll give
• 1:30:36
  you a promotion. And if they were not willing
• 1:30:40
  participants right off the bat, John was known for telling him
• 1:30:43
  that he had a gun and he would threaten to kill them if they
• 1:30:47
  didn't like. That is just such an escalation.
• 1:30:49
  Like when you look at like you know his his previous.
• 1:30:51
  Tactics like, yeah, look what he was doing before was monstrous
• 1:30:54
  as well, but like to go from that to being like, I have a
• 1:30:57
  fucking gun is it's such a like a step towards violence and I, I
• 1:31:04
  think a lot of it as well as like he cannot and.
• 1:31:07
  Like this is. Going back to like the days with
• 1:31:09
  his dad and stuff. This man does not handle
• 1:31:12
  rejection well at all in any capacity, and I think that's why
• 1:31:18
  he was power. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:31:20
  Yes. Yeah.
• 1:31:23
  So there were a couple of more. Employees that gave John a more
• 1:31:26
  challenging time. But the biggest one was in 1976
• 1:31:31
  when John had an incident with an 18 year old named David.
• 1:31:34
  This guy is a badass. I've watched an interview with
• 1:31:36
  this guy and he's he's really cool.
• 1:31:40
  So John met David while David was hitchhiking.
• 1:31:43
  He picks David up and they were driving to wherever it was they
• 1:31:46
  were going. The two of them get to talking.
• 1:31:49
  John learns that David has nowhere to go and no job.
• 1:31:52
  So he offers David a job at his construction company and to move
• 1:31:55
  in with him as well. Obviously it's the the wife and
• 1:31:58
  kids are gone now and I, I don't know if the mom was gone at this
• 1:32:01
  point, but he's got a lot of room in his house basically and
• 1:32:05
  David takes him up on it. Unfortunately, John can't really
• 1:32:09
  seem to keep it in his. Pants for too.
• 1:32:11
  Long because that very night he learns that it's actually
• 1:32:14
  David's birthday and he's turning 19 years old.
• 1:32:17
  So he's a baby. He's just a kid.
• 1:32:21
  So they're drinking, they're celebrating, and then John
• 1:32:23
  decides to dress up as his Pogo the Clown character.
• 1:32:29
  I know he's like, oh, I just want to make it more like a
• 1:32:31
  birthday celebration. I.
• 1:32:33
  Was molested by an older person as well.
• 1:32:38
  I was loved that for you. I was brought brought back.
• 1:32:40
  To a house and. I won't say I was.
• 1:32:44
  I was, she was, she was a woman in.
• 1:32:48
  Her 40s she was. There she was a.
• 1:32:50
  Woman in her 40s and it. Was a very.
• 1:32:53
  Pleasant. Experience and yes, probably the
• 1:32:58
  best case scenario, but I. Remember thinking at the time.
• 1:33:02
  This woman's a paedophile and I I just like.
• 1:33:05
  How did you say you were? I was just just turned.
• 1:33:08
  It was my 19th birthday and eh, yeah, so I was out having their
• 1:33:12
  that's yeah, she wasn't technically a paedophile, but,
• 1:33:15
  umm, she pushed the questions could be raised.
• 1:33:19
  I was. I was locked, yeah.
• 1:33:21
  I was. Very.
• 1:33:22
  Drunk. And she lives down the road, eh?
• 1:33:27
  From the party I was at in my friend's house, we had used to
• 1:33:30
  have like we set up scaffolding as a stage and like there was
• 1:33:33
  live bands she one of those like weird older ladies that showed
• 1:33:36
  up back she. Was related to someone and eh,
• 1:33:42
  so. Eh.
• 1:33:43
  Yeah, she just, she took me home and eh, her daughter was in the
• 1:33:49
  room next to us, eh? Oh God, how old was her daughter
• 1:33:55
  with a? Child her daughter was.
• 1:33:56
  And. Oh my God, it's not your fault.
• 1:34:03
  It's not your. Fault for.
• 1:34:04
  Your victim. Here.
• 1:34:05
  You guys are saying it to me like I'm.
• 1:34:07
  Not super proud of what I did when I was 19.
• 1:34:09
  And he has. So we did the deed and then we
• 1:34:13
  finished off and she she claimed off me.
• 1:34:19
  And said you. Need to leave and and then I
• 1:34:25
  said OK I love her and I stood up and I gathered my claws I
• 1:34:29
  walked out in. Terrain.
• 1:34:31
  And I, I remember thinking, God damn it, that's the coolest
• 1:34:36
  thing that's ever happened to me so far.
• 1:34:40
  And I it's only when I. Look back and I say like if
• 1:34:44
  because I do a lot of this like. If rules were reversed, you
• 1:34:47
  notice in sell stuff the people that were money for I'm very I'm
• 1:34:50
  very Oh yeah, yeah, no emotional rules.
• 1:34:53
  I like to. I like to imagine it.
• 1:34:55
  As. Me now as a man in.
• 1:34:57
  In my 40s Jesus and that if if I showed up.
• 1:35:04
  To a. Party where there's a.
• 1:35:05
  Bunch of fucking like teens and early 20s hanging.
• 1:35:07
  Around and. Like, Jesus Christ, hey.
• 1:35:10
  Oh yeah, you're so weird. Bring the girl over all the.
• 1:35:14
  And. They go.
• 1:35:16
  Right. You need to leave.
• 1:35:17
  Now get the fuck out. Just go on into the room.
• 1:35:19
  Are you fairly? Sure.
• 1:35:20
  Oh my God. Yeah, sure.
• 1:35:22
  Nowadays. That like if you tried that if.
• 1:35:23
  You went into like a house. Full of like teenage girls and
• 1:35:25
  you're. Like, hey, girls, who's coming
• 1:35:27
  home with me? They'd beat you to death, rocks.
• 1:35:28
  I'd be fucking all right, all right, all right.
• 1:35:34
  But I don't. Like, I don't let people stay
• 1:35:35
  over like. It's it's been nigh on a.
• 1:35:38
  Year since I've had anyone that I've hooked up with, but I I
• 1:35:42
  hate it. I can't stand it.
• 1:35:44
  And I remember like the last guy that I hooked up with, it would
• 1:35:47
  have been like a 75 LB taxi back to his.
• 1:35:50
  I was like that's not my problem.
• 1:35:52
  You should have checked the chain, the train schedules
• 1:35:54
  before you came over and I'm just like get out.
• 1:35:56
  I don't care. Like, I'm very much the opposite
• 1:35:58
  of that woman. Whereas like, I had a guy follow
• 1:36:00
  me the other day and messaged me and I was like, all right, and
• 1:36:02
  he's cute. And then I found out he was 24.
• 1:36:04
  And I blocked him immediately because I was just like, no,
• 1:36:06
  yeah, stop doing that. That's a headache on its own.
• 1:36:09
  Your social media activity would like men just finding you and
• 1:36:13
  adding. You and just immediately
• 1:36:14
  shooting their shots like they're I don't know how these
• 1:36:17
  guys keep finding that's every woman, though.
• 1:36:19
  That's every woman. That's fair.
• 1:36:20
  Like yeah, the the the context. Just me, I'll tell you.
• 1:36:25
  It's happened to me, I know. We're we're veering.
• 1:36:27
  Off now and I. I don't.
• 1:36:28
  Mind veering? Off when I when I've got things
• 1:36:30
  to say. But I I was treated as a.
• 1:36:38
  Woman. Eh, I got.
• 1:36:41
  One of these. Eh, a gay dude got very, it was
• 1:36:45
  a couple of years back and maybe a year and a half and he got
• 1:36:50
  very persistent about eh turning me and he eh was like they, I
• 1:36:58
  suppose. Had you expressed any interest
• 1:37:02
  in my wrestling? Gear for some reason and I by
• 1:37:05
  the way, there's. No more unattractive site than
• 1:37:07
  me and my wrestling gear by the way, so I have no idea why
• 1:37:10
  wasted trunks so so. They.
• 1:37:16
  Did they contacted? Me and.
• 1:37:18
  Said like eh, just there was a just a couple of like eh
• 1:37:22
  comments underneath pictures 1st and I'd be giving them the
• 1:37:26
  thumbs up. Thanks.
• 1:37:27
  Like a like like commented on my ass being a kid.
• 1:37:30
  Good. Justy, eh?
• 1:37:32
  Something. Like that?
• 1:37:34
  Oh, she. Come down.
• 1:37:36
  Looking good. And fire emoji sleigh.
• 1:37:43
  Yeah, just just. Stuff like that, really.
• 1:37:45
  There and then and. When I obviously when I
• 1:37:48
  interacted with the thumbs up, eh, I got the, the inbox hit and
• 1:37:54
  I was like, oh, this is wow, what women are like and they are
• 1:37:58
  what women feel like. And I was pretty much then I
• 1:38:01
  then I thought, no, this isn't what women feel like because I
• 1:38:03
  was so happy. Like you couldn't have been
• 1:38:06
  happier. Like I was like, Oh my God,
• 1:38:09
  you're just like, Oh my God. He thinks I'm pretty.
• 1:38:12
  Oh my God. I.
• 1:38:14
  Actually. Have a few guy.
• 1:38:15
  Friends who got really. Flattered when guys.
• 1:38:17
  Found them so I. Understand that.
• 1:38:18
  I think that's the thing with you guys.
• 1:38:20
  Yeah, the guy. The guy got very persistent in
• 1:38:23
  the end and I. Again, wore off ducks back I had
• 1:38:27
  it was there was I was never blocking this guy because like I
• 1:38:30
  could do with that. Like if he came back and sent me
• 1:38:32
  more messages tomorrow, I'd be like, oh, this is so nice.
• 1:38:35
  But like sent me, sent me a lot of.
• 1:38:38
  Like explicit. Videos of himself as.
• 1:38:40
  Well, like. So.
• 1:38:42
  Like one of those they were a drag queen.
• 1:38:46
  So. Yeah, SO sent me pictures of
• 1:38:48
  drag and say this is how would you have fucked him in drag.
• 1:38:54
  I know that's a thing for a lot of like quote UN.
• 1:38:56
  Quote straight men. They'll fuck if the if.
• 1:38:58
  The if the drag it's a very it's called the key unpolitically
• 1:39:02
  correct thing to say these. Days, but I've always had an
• 1:39:07
  issue with drag Queens, so until, well, why I've told you
• 1:39:12
  about my weird phobias of like. Makeup and stuff.
• 1:39:16
  Yeah, so your makeup. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:39:18
  Drag Queens are the embodiment of like.
• 1:39:23
  Yeah, it is case, but also. Fuck cakey me.
• 1:39:27
  Yeah, on someone who could hold me down and fuck me, probably.
• 1:39:33
  My God, look at the upper. Body strength on that woman.
• 1:39:35
  Umm, but until. Until a woman is in bench press
• 1:39:39
  more than I can bench press Until.
• 1:39:43
  Recently like. Actually.
• 1:39:45
  To actually hang. Out with like a.
• 1:39:47
  You know. A.
• 1:39:49
  People who are. Into drag and stuff like that
• 1:39:51
  and like I've gone to drag shows and stuff so like with my ex,
• 1:39:54
  like her whole family were like fucking LJBG fucking well, I'm
• 1:40:00
  not I'm not hold on L GB GTI wasn't I wasn't doing one of
• 1:40:05
  those kill Tony L GB G GB R2D2. I'm not doing the.
• 1:40:11
  Rainbow my legitimate. I started over my words.
• 1:40:15
  Illiterate and my ex. My, my ex's family, a lot of
• 1:40:19
  them would identify as gay. So like I ended up like in a lot
• 1:40:23
  of situations, like I've been to pride a bunch of times.
• 1:40:27
  And so like I've gotten over the fact that like try Queens like
• 1:40:32
  to like again, not to go on to the killer clown thing, but
• 1:40:34
  like, that's what it was like to me.
• 1:40:36
  It was just creepy dude in make up who is like, yeah, I can see
• 1:40:41
  that. So yeah, so when?
• 1:40:44
  This guy sent me that. I was like.
• 1:40:46
  Ah, like fucking a few years ago I would have been fucking
• 1:40:48
  creeped out by this, like, but right now I'm like, yeah, if I,
• 1:40:52
  if I was going to fuck a dude, go into my head, go into my head
• 1:40:57
  if I was. Going to fuck.
• 1:40:58
  A dude, it would. Be 1 and that looks like a
• 1:41:01
  woman. You're just sitting there
• 1:41:02
  looking. At your phone gun?
• 1:41:04
  Yeah. Amazing.
• 1:41:04
  Why? Why am I?
• 1:41:06
  Stroking. I am, but yeah.
• 1:41:09
  Like it ends up like the explicit.
• 1:41:11
  Videos. That they sent was like of them
• 1:41:12
  getting. Absolutely.
• 1:41:13
  Railed and eh, I was like, I was like some aggressive and I
• 1:41:19
  again, I just I was so. Nice, about what I was like.
• 1:41:22
  Listen, uh, soup. I was like, that's very nice.
• 1:41:25
  Super flattered. Absolutely, absolutely super.
• 1:41:29
  Flattered by this. Really.
• 1:41:30
  And to be. Honest with you and.
• 1:41:32
  I. Said it.
• 1:41:33
  I said if there ever was a day that I would turn, I'd.
• 1:41:37
  I'd go for someone with an arse like that.
• 1:41:39
  However, Eh, you're just giving them hope.
• 1:41:41
  I know you're just giving them hope.
• 1:41:43
  Yeah, you. Got to shut down.
• 1:41:45
  He wants the attention he. Wants the attention as a woman
• 1:41:47
  have to shut. Down.
• 1:41:48
  Me. As a man who doesn't get
• 1:41:50
  attention. No, I wasn't.
• 1:41:51
  I also wanted the attention. So I, I, I said thanks very
• 1:41:56
  much. Not into it.
• 1:41:57
  I will say thanks very much. And then but but.
• 1:41:59
  Fair play, but. Fair play.
• 1:42:02
  I I. Will say a couple of years ago I
• 1:42:03
  was eh. I hooked up with.
• 1:42:05
  A few girls, umm. And I did experience my first
• 1:42:11
  ultimate like this is what hooking up with girls is.
• 1:42:14
  Because she came over. Right, and she was so drunk and
• 1:42:16
  I was already like, I'm not doing this because she's pretty
• 1:42:18
  fucking drunk, right, But we're making it whatever.
• 1:42:22
  And she, she like is like, I want to go down on you and I'm
• 1:42:27
  like. All right, fine.
• 1:42:29
  Whatever, I was drunk enough at the point and she, she doesn't
• 1:42:35
  even, she just pulls away, right?
• 1:42:36
  She's still on top of me. She pulls away from me.
• 1:42:39
  And she stops and she's just sat there and she looks away and I'm
• 1:42:42
  like, OK. She looks back at me, all over
• 1:42:48
  my stomach. This girl just.
• 1:42:49
  Throws up on me and. I'm just like, and I have to be
• 1:42:53
  like so nice. And she's crying and she's like,
• 1:42:56
  I'm so sorry. Like, I'm so sorry.
• 1:42:57
  Like you're fine. It's OK for a woman.
• 1:42:59
  She still wants to hook up. And I'm like.
• 1:43:06
  No, she. Didn't.
• 1:43:06
  Even get to that point. Didn't even get to.
• 1:43:09
  That point she was like on top of her making.
• 1:43:10
  Out. She like all the way to like to
• 1:43:12
  do something. Yeah, She just basically threw
• 1:43:16
  up on me and then I had to be like, it's OK.
• 1:43:18
  I'm not mad. I'm not.
• 1:43:19
  I'm going to call you a taxi. Oh, you're going to call me a
• 1:43:22
  taxi? I'm like you.
• 1:43:25
  Are you going to go? No, you're going to go?
• 1:43:27
  I don't think so. So I'm not.
• 1:43:29
  I'll text you in the morning. It's.
• 1:43:31
  Fine and she's. Like you're not going to.
• 1:43:32
  Attack those for. Me and I'm like, are we not
• 1:43:35
  going to text you? But I had to be like, I was
• 1:43:38
  like, God, women's look now. Just get the.
• 1:43:41
  Fuck. Out of my house.
• 1:43:43
  Let's say I had. To fucking strip my bed sheets
• 1:43:45
  at 2:00 in the morning. I had to fuck it.
• 1:43:46
  Like, oh. Literally like I went into, I
• 1:43:50
  went into math room and I just slept.
• 1:43:51
  There he. Was on the road, I think he was
• 1:43:53
  in. London for a show or something.
• 1:43:54
  I was like, I'm going to sleep in here.
• 1:43:55
  My sheets are being washed. I'm not fucking dealing with
• 1:43:58
  that. But yeah, that was.
• 1:43:59
  And then that was like, God, women are fucking annoying.
• 1:44:03
  So I can see where where Daisy's coming from.
• 1:44:06
  So let's go back. So I was going to say with.
• 1:44:07
  Women being annoying? And Daisy had David.
• 1:44:10
  Back in his house and what kind of games did he play with him?
• 1:44:15
  So he got David to put on. A pair of handcuffs, which?
• 1:44:19
  We've all been there. And John then grabs the wait,
• 1:44:24
  no, hang on, I gotta go. Yeah, birthday celebration,
• 1:44:27
  right? So they're having fun, gets him
• 1:44:28
  to put on a pair of handcuffs as part of this birthday game and
• 1:44:32
  then swings the Shane of the handcuffs, swings David around
• 1:44:35
  and then just straight up tells him I'm going to rape you.
• 1:44:41
  So all well dressed as a clown, all well dressed.
• 1:44:43
  As a fucking clown. As.
• 1:44:46
  Pogo of the Clown. My dear.
• 1:44:48
  And so, David? Fights back, ends up kicking
• 1:44:51
  John in the face and manages to get himself free.
• 1:44:55
  From what I've read, then John was a obviously he was really
• 1:44:58
  fucking convincing and he managed to convince him like oh
• 1:45:00
  it's just a joke gone wrong, it's fine, I'm not going to rape
• 1:45:03
  you. I'm just, I'm just kidding.
• 1:45:07
  Can't believe you kicked me. Like what the hell.
• 1:45:12
  But. So.
• 1:45:14
  It wasn't long. Though until John.
• 1:45:16
  Tried to rape David again at this time in a way, way more
• 1:45:20
  threatening way. I don't know, maybe it was like
• 1:45:23
  the lack of the claim costume kind of softening the blow.
• 1:45:26
  But he said, quote, Dave, you really don't know who I am.
• 1:45:31
  Maybe it would be good if you give me what I want.
• 1:45:34
  Like again, this is like, this is like such a like slip of the
• 1:45:38
  mass. You know, like he's.
• 1:45:40
  Yeah, he's brought this guy Dave in under the pretense of like,
• 1:45:43
  look, I'm such a. Good.
• 1:45:44
  Guy, I'll give you a job, I'll give you somewhere to stay.
• 1:45:46
  I'm such a nice guy. And then he's just like, look,
• 1:45:50
  I'm not that fucking nice guy, you know, because he's.
• 1:45:53
  Frustrated that he's. Not getting what he wants and so
• 1:45:55
  he's threatening him now like it's it's real mask slip
• 1:45:59
  territory. And and then once again, David
• 1:46:03
  is somehow able to. Hold John off.
• 1:46:06
  And then John gets extremely frustrated and eventually just
• 1:46:08
  gives up. Now this is really cool place.
• 1:46:10
  I watched an interview with David and he's just like, so
• 1:46:14
  fucking cool. Just this old surfer dude now at
• 1:46:18
  this point. But you could tell that he was
• 1:46:20
  just, he could fucking hold his own back then.
• 1:46:22
  And he actually said, and he talks about it to this day, how
• 1:46:25
  good a drop kick he gave Casey to the face.
• 1:46:29
  He still talks about it. He was just like, he's like bro,
• 1:46:32
  like most height I ever got on a drop pic.
• 1:46:35
  And he's just like, dude, like highest I've ever been, like
• 1:46:37
  fucking mid air, just kicking this dude in the fucking face,
• 1:46:40
  you know, And it's just like, I love David.
• 1:46:45
  But yeah, basically then. As he's leaving, John tells.
• 1:46:48
  David, you're not any fun. And then after this.
• 1:46:54
  Instant David's like I get. The fuck out of here.
• 1:46:57
  But he still worked for John for his construction company, just
• 1:47:01
  found another place to live. And John, like, I guess, didn't
• 1:47:05
  really have much of A choice other than to keep employing him
• 1:47:09
  because the fuck was he going to do if he was going to fire him,
• 1:47:11
  David. Was going to go to.
• 1:47:12
  The cops, his life up again, Yeah.
• 1:47:16
  He did. Work for him like I think.
• 1:47:17
  For the next two years. What he did just kind of they,
• 1:47:20
  they didn't get involved with each other kind of at all again
• 1:47:23
  after that. They just kept their distance.
• 1:47:26
  So it was around this time then that John decides to up his game
• 1:47:29
  and go further than just assaulting boys.
• 1:47:32
  He's ready to take it to the next level.
• 1:47:34
  There were several young men and boys who were wrapped up in a
• 1:47:37
  night of drinking with John at his house and doing some drugs
• 1:47:41
  when John would bust out his handcuffs and tell them, hey, do
• 1:47:45
  you guys want to see a magic trick?
• 1:47:46
  My handcuffs? And he would handcuff himself to
• 1:47:50
  like, show everyone that their magic handcuffs.
• 1:47:53
  Like he could just handcuff himself and just get himself
• 1:47:55
  straight out. And then the only magic would be
• 1:47:58
  that he basically, like had the key.
• 1:48:00
  He wasn't just hand the key in his hand and was like I'm doing
• 1:48:05
  a magic trick. Yeah.
• 1:48:07
  So once he showed them this trick.
• 1:48:10
  He's. Like do you guys want to learn
• 1:48:11
  how to? Do this trick I teach you.
• 1:48:13
  And then one of the kids would be like, yeah, sure, OK, show
• 1:48:16
  me. I will learn how to escape from
• 1:48:17
  handcuffs. Cool.
• 1:48:19
  So John puts the handcuffs on a kid who's there and he's.
• 1:48:23
  Like I'm going to show you how to get.
• 1:48:24
  Out of this, right? And then once the handcuffs are
• 1:48:26
  on, John would then reveal his secret to escaping this magic
• 1:48:31
  trick was having a key. That's the trick basically.
• 1:48:34
  While his victims were handcuffed, John would often
• 1:48:36
  take advantage of these men and boys by raping them or often
• 1:48:40
  just straight up torturing them. Like fucking sick.
• 1:48:43
  Torture, abuse, awful. And we will get to that next
• 1:48:47
  week. And like at this point I.
• 1:48:49
  I always. Anytime I hear something.
• 1:48:51
  About like a magician. I'm just like, This is why we
• 1:48:54
  don't trust magicians because especially people who do like,
• 1:48:58
  you know, close up, like, you know, hand magic, these people
• 1:49:02
  are not to be trusted because they will pick they.
• 1:49:08
  Will they will pick your pocket. And then they will molest you.
• 1:49:17
  Every fucking time. You, you cannot trust.
• 1:49:20
  Magicians. They're just sexual deviants.
• 1:49:24
  I'm. Also just.
• 1:49:24
  Like why would? You want to learn how to
• 1:49:26
  magician? If if you ever hear.
• 1:49:28
  Why somebody like you, you ask? These.
• 1:49:31
  Magicians like why did you become a magician?
• 1:49:34
  And he's like, they're always like I'm I was socially awkward
• 1:49:38
  as a kid. I wanted to make friends.
• 1:49:39
  I wanted to. They're always socially fucking
• 1:49:42
  awkward now. Never once have I ever heard a.
• 1:49:45
  Girl say I. Want to know what impresses me,
• 1:49:49
  Criss Angel? Is actually hot.
• 1:49:54
  Criss Angel is the biggest no I think.
• 1:49:56
  He looks like he smells. Watch.
• 1:49:58
  There's a he does, but like there's.
• 1:50:01
  A documentary. Out there, that's a new genre
• 1:50:03
  that I just. Made-up right?
• 1:50:05
  Now you need to be. Caged that has Chris Angel.
• 1:50:09
  Chris Angel versus. A fucking David Blaine, right?
• 1:50:13
  And. I was going to say, the other
• 1:50:17
  guy isn't that a fucking magician.
• 1:50:18
  He's a guy who? Just puts himself.
• 1:50:19
  Into. Like, just stunt, yeah.
• 1:50:21
  Like, he's a stuntman. Yeah.
• 1:50:22
  Like, yeah, obviously he started off as a magician.
• 1:50:25
  And stuff. But there's this thing where
• 1:50:27
  Chris Angel, mind freak, he, he comes, he keeps doing this thing
• 1:50:33
  where he gets so pissy about David Blaine, who never
• 1:50:38
  responds. So David Blaine has never once
• 1:50:41
  acknowledged the existence of Chris Angel.
• 1:50:44
  But Chris. Chris Angel.
• 1:50:47
  Yeah, when he started off. He was giving.
• 1:50:49
  Out this. Mysterious and.
• 1:50:51
  Fucking why? Danny thinks.
• 1:50:52
  He's hot because she thinks in her.
• 1:50:53
  She goes back to her teenage brain.
• 1:50:55
  Because he's got the I'm a magician, Yeah, and I'm a.
• 1:50:59
  God, exactly. I got, I got.
• 1:51:02
  So yeah, he's in like. Hawthorne Heights like fucking
• 1:51:06
  height of like emo. Bands.
• 1:51:08
  That's what I like him for. Yeah, he's 100% announced there.
• 1:51:12
  There's no. Doubt in my mind.
• 1:51:13
  Because he's a magician from the early 2000s.
• 1:51:16
  Exactly. But but This is why, Danny in
• 1:51:18
  your brain. You're attributing him to being.
• 1:51:21
  Hot because you were looking at this gothy guy.
• 1:51:24
  Yeah, it's my emo boy. He's my old emo boy.
• 1:51:27
  Please. For me.
• 1:51:29
  Right, this is your homework for the.
• 1:51:31
  For the next episode, come back here after I'll do it right now,
• 1:51:36
  Criss Angel versus David Blaine. And tell.
• 1:51:39
  Me. He's not the fucking weakest
• 1:51:42
  little pussy boy you've ever seen in your life.
• 1:51:46
  Oh, I'm pathetic. I'm sorry though.
• 1:51:48
  He's he's. Aged well, Yeah, because he's
• 1:51:52
  fucking. Drinking the blood of children.
• 1:51:53
  He's in Hollywood. He's playing like Jesus Christ.
• 1:51:56
  That just gets worse as I get closer.
• 1:51:58
  But yeah, he he's aged better. I thought about paedophiles in
• 1:52:01
  America. Dream, dream.
• 1:52:03
  Adrenochrome and adrenochrome. That's it.
• 1:52:06
  Adrenochrome. It's because he rubbed all that
• 1:52:07
  adrenochrome on his face. You hear me pretend and I don't.
• 1:52:09
  Know what it is? Yeah, he's like Adrina or
• 1:52:12
  something. How do you think all these?
• 1:52:15
  Drag. Queens find me so attractive.
• 1:52:17
  Why you? Think How do you think I have
• 1:52:20
  all these luscious locks? Who's the the other guy?
• 1:52:25
  The other magician. The the British magician from
• 1:52:29
  Birmingham? No, it's not.
• 1:52:32
  He is from Derren Brown. No, I don't have.
• 1:52:35
  Yes, Derren Brown. He's.
• 1:52:37
  Because he he's not a. Sleight.
• 1:52:40
  Of hand. Magician.
• 1:52:41
  He is a mentalist, he's my psychologist and he explains
• 1:52:46
  everything. And one.
• 1:52:47
  Of my favorite ever hours of. Television that I've ever seen
• 1:52:50
  is when he convinces the guy there's a zombie apocalypse and
• 1:52:55
  there's oh fuck, I remember that.
• 1:52:58
  I hadn't seen years that you will ever see.
• 1:53:01
  In your life. Is when they've set it up so.
• 1:53:03
  That like 22 year old woman playing a 14 year old girl just
• 1:53:08
  comes around the corner and a guy who's by the way the.
• 1:53:13
  Sweetest guy in the. World automatically instinct
• 1:53:15
  kicks in. He's like, I'm going to protect
• 1:53:17
  you. But in my heart of a horrible
• 1:53:20
  mind, all I could think of was what if that guy turned out to
• 1:53:23
  be a nonce and he and he, well, I don't see any zombies in here
• 1:53:29
  so. Everyone's.
• 1:53:31
  Dying so. May as well.
• 1:53:32
  Yeah, Yeah. And it's, yeah, It's weird.
• 1:53:35
  I mean. It's it's a very very easy to
• 1:53:38
  manipulate. That the unit, like it is really
• 1:53:42
  easy. Oh yeah.
• 1:53:44
  But I just mean like it's very big, like you mean.
• 1:53:46
  You do like if you go. Into like these big boy sales
• 1:53:50
  jobs, for example, there is a whole training course on
• 1:53:54
  basically how to fuck. All you got to do is yeah, yeah,
• 1:53:59
  yeah. Coffee.
• 1:54:00
  Is foreclosures. But it is.
• 1:54:04
  Just like it's mad to me that's. Like it's.
• 1:54:06
  So weird to be. That like I, I'm autistic as
• 1:54:10
  fuck, right? I have, I'm OK with social cues.
• 1:54:13
  I'm not I'm not the best with them, but like when I see
• 1:54:16
  someone who's like just just can't read them at all.
• 1:54:18
  I'm just like, how is that a thing?
• 1:54:20
  But then also to the same extent I'm like when you go to like the
• 1:54:22
  likes of Darren Brown, who can just manipulate you would to say
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  doing anything. I'm just like those two
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  extremes, like, like. He actually got like.
• 1:54:33
  He got. He got stand up.
• 1:54:35
  Put a gun. Together and try and I'm pull
• 1:54:38
  the trigger with the gun and that Stephen Fry guys watch some
• 1:54:41
  Darren Brown. It's so I mean, that sounds that
• 1:54:45
  sounds terrible. Like why would you?
• 1:54:47
  I would never do that to Stephen Fry and Brown.
• 1:54:50
  Just like and I'll never. Use my power for you.
• 1:54:52
  This is what? Yeah, he was.
• 1:54:53
  Saying like I. I can't show anybody this
• 1:54:56
  because. Like, yeah, I am, I am telling
• 1:54:58
  you he cannot be trusted. Yeah, I know If if.
• 1:55:01
  I if. I had if I had.
• 1:55:05
  Darren Brown's power. I would be a super villain.
• 1:55:08
  There, nobody would remember the things I Most people would be
• 1:55:11
  pieces of shit. But that's the thing where I.
• 1:55:15
  Don't get so like umm. Even the likes of like.
• 1:55:18
  Meditation. I find it very, very difficult
• 1:55:20
  to meditate. I just can't.
• 1:55:22
  Yeah. Because in your brain, brain I
• 1:55:24
  find it really, really hard. Greenland Shark.
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  Greenland. Greenland.
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  Greenland. Shark.
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  Greenland Shark. Greenworms.
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  Worms, worms, Worms. No.
• 1:55:33
  It's just shark. It's just sharks at this point.
• 1:55:34
  And it's it's actually the only thing that silences it is.
• 1:55:36
  Probably watching videos of sharks somewhere.
• 1:55:40
  But like, don't they say and they're like a saying that it's
• 1:55:42
  like again, this is. Me pretending I know.
• 1:55:46
  Something I've heard it somewhere that like Irish people
• 1:55:47
  are like impervious to because we're fucking take not even that
• 1:55:53
  it's just they're they're basically.
• 1:55:54
  Just like. The Irish are apparently a very.
• 1:55:57
  Nice, because we just like to say oh, because we can spell
• 1:55:59
  bullshit a long way along all the way where we're.
• 1:56:03
  Going to you couldn't make straight in a bed, Sure fucking.
• 1:56:05
  Hell, there's because we like to.
• 1:56:08
  Think we have a good bullshit detective?
• 1:56:09
  There's an Irish. Magician What's?
• 1:56:11
  His fucking I don't. Know who said it?
• 1:56:12
  He looks like someone a. Wesley.
• 1:56:14
  What's his name? I.
• 1:56:16
  Fucking know who you're. Talking about no Jordan Devil,
• 1:56:18
  Devil should look like from. Wesley he's, he looks like.
• 1:56:22
  He's in. Roblox.
• 1:56:23
  That hair you've seen his old. Hair.
• 1:56:25
  That's he. Don't Keith.
• 1:56:26
  Keith. Something Barry.
• 1:56:28
  Keep Barry. So are you wearing Keith Barry?
• 1:56:30
  Keep Barry sure and I there. Was AI was given free tickets
• 1:56:35
  because the the tour manager of a wrestling was tour manager of
• 1:56:41
  Keep Barry doing these shows in of course and Don the same
• 1:56:45
  thing. It's it's it's just it's 1 handy
• 1:56:47
  show for another and always, always she she got us in and.
• 1:56:53
  She explained that. He Barry had like a bunch of
• 1:56:56
  props, but no one was allowed to watch any of them.
• 1:56:58
  You know what I mean? So like when they were coming
• 1:57:00
  in, but he done the thing of like hypnotizing someone and
• 1:57:04
  Dick, then they couldn't, they couldn't read, you know.
• 1:57:08
  So they get you to read a page over book and they hypnotize you
• 1:57:11
  with the books. He opens up a different page of
• 1:57:15
  the book and it's illegible. Like there's no like he.
• 1:57:18
  It's not English, it's not anything.
• 1:57:20
  It's just a person looking at it going I can't, I don't
• 1:57:24
  understand. I can.
• 1:57:25
  Like they try. And say the words and what they
• 1:57:28
  think they're hypnotized. Well, it's, it's actually
• 1:57:30
  gibberish. Gibberish.
• 1:57:31
  And yeah. And then there's the the yeah,
• 1:57:33
  he. Wouldn't let anyone touch any of
• 1:57:34
  the chairs because. He does the thing of like, OK,
• 1:57:37
  I'm going to touch. So he'll touch one person.
• 1:57:40
  Ah, and then they'll the other person feels it.
• 1:57:43
  But really, he's sending a fucking electric shock through
• 1:57:47
  the bottom of there's a gimmick chair.
• 1:57:48
  Yeah, so like this guy who are like, now don't get me wrong,
• 1:57:52
  I'm sure he's ever because like he's done some Hollywood stuff
• 1:57:55
  as well. Again, I'm probably going to get
• 1:57:57
  fucking sniped by the Council of magic or whoever is doing stuff.
• 1:58:01
  But like, and we demand to be taken seriously.
• 1:58:07
  Very good. But me as a.
• 1:58:09
  Career as a professional. Wrestler.
• 1:58:11
  Probably shouldn't. Be given out fucking secrets of
• 1:58:14
  like other professions who are out there to fool people.
• 1:58:17
  But like I just found it like the illusion was lifted from me
• 1:58:23
  and I was like, oh this has fucked it for me now.
• 1:58:25
  Like, because I love looking at a little, like someone getting
• 1:58:30
  tricked big time. Like, you know, like I'm not.
• 1:58:32
  And not knowing it was the beauty for me.
• 1:58:34
  But they, when I figured out that's what I like about Darren
• 1:58:37
  Brown so much, because when he's doing his mental stuff, he'll
• 1:58:39
  tell you how he's doing it. He's like, yeah, So what?
• 1:58:42
  I've implanted all these thoughts into his head because I
• 1:58:44
  keep putting up pictures of bears all around the place.
• 1:58:47
  And now he's thinking of bears. But like, his thing is like I've
• 1:58:50
  been following around for six months and showing him pictures.
• 1:58:52
  Of bears and it's. Like what the fuck, man?
• 1:58:55
  You're destroying this man's life.
• 1:58:57
  You're destroying his life. Yeah.
• 1:59:00
  Legit, but it's like a thing where you.
• 1:59:02
  See all these like the tik? T.O.K Tire stuff.
• 1:59:05
  It's like if you haven't. Seen it already in the next like
• 1:59:08
  48 hours you're going to see a reference to like this specific
• 1:59:12
  thing or whatever and this like one woman.
• 1:59:14
  Now this is the I know for a fact this is like coincidence
• 1:59:19
  out the Arizona. I'm woo woo, but I'm not that
• 1:59:21
  fucking right, But she's like, you're going to see a reference
• 1:59:23
  to freezer burn and then why shit you not for a fucking week
• 1:59:27
  afterwards? Like who talks about things
• 1:59:30
  being freezer burned, right for a week afterwards?
• 1:59:34
  I would watch a show. Someone would talk about
• 1:59:36
  something being freezer burned. I would watch a TikTok video.
• 1:59:38
  There's like some Real Housewives, the Beverly Hills
• 1:59:40
  being like, well, the champagne is freezer burned.
• 1:59:42
  And I'm like, that is weird. It's like, it is strange that it
• 1:59:47
  was like. And the.
• 1:59:48
  Context is so strange. It's been like, Oh yeah, like,
• 1:59:51
  you know, we do have these body parts.
• 1:59:52
  We've had them for so long. They've been freezer burned and
• 1:59:54
  I'm like you do I think you're just drunk that whole time You.
• 1:59:59
  You fill. Jars up with your period blood.
• 2:00:01
  And. Clothes play into your windows,
• 2:00:02
  so. Like the stuff that you?
• 2:00:05
  Yeah, not jars. I feel jars with my piss.
• 2:00:08
  That I smear my period. Of blood.
• 2:00:10
  There's different. Jesus fucking don't.
• 2:00:12
  Wayne Gacy was a monster. That's yeah.
• 2:00:16
  And. I don't have little fucking
• 2:00:18
  twink bodies. In my walls and.
• 2:00:20
  On that. TuneIn next week to find out
• 2:00:22
  what Danny's talking about. TuneIn next week.
• 2:00:24
  To find out where the twink bodies are actually hidden and.
• 2:00:28
  What that man eventually got up to, I don't know what we've been
• 2:00:30
  talking about for the last we did run this timely.
• 2:00:34
  Yeah. So we're just.
• 2:00:35
  Magicians. Being weird.
• 2:00:36
  We were. Talking about John Wayne Gacy
• 2:00:38
  and we'll continue. To talk about John Wayne.
• 2:00:40
  Gacy unfortunately. Next week, Sorry, just tea.
• 2:00:44
  At least all the notes are done. We do unicorns after this or
• 2:00:47
  something like. For fuck's sake, we can.
• 2:00:50
  Do anything you want you can. Pick the topic after this I.
• 2:00:54
  Anything that you shouting so much?
• 2:00:57
  Yeah, that's something. Let's go.
• 2:00:59
  Back to Let's go back to yeah. After part.
• 2:01:02
  Two. Yeah, I.
• 2:01:02
  Think John Wayne Gacy. This is kind of.
• 2:01:05
  A theme with us is that. We.
• 2:01:06
  We. Don't do a lot of like.
• 2:01:08
  True crime. Serial killers, because they are
• 2:01:10
  already heavy episodes and it's harder to kind of, you can't
• 2:01:13
  really add the whimsy into these.
• 2:01:15
  We try. We had so much fun on our.
• 2:01:20
  Detours. About fucking Jimmy.
• 2:01:22
  Fucking Savile and. Yeah, we could.
• 2:01:29
  Probably get some whimsy into an episode.
• 2:01:31
  About Robert. Bosley, I'm just saying.
• 2:01:32
  But but yeah. I've been Josie.
• 2:01:39
  She's been Danny. He's been.
• 2:01:41
  Ocean thank. You for hanging out with us for
• 2:01:44
  a spell. Hocus pocus out.