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Love is Wild · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: Hey guys, welcome to the Almost Simis podcast. Today we
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  Speaker 2: are breaking down episode three of Joey's season, and I
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  Speaker 2: know Ben is gonna grill me on my friend Sidney
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  Speaker 2: because she is basically the entire show.
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  Speaker 3: There's a big storyline, Ashley.
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  Speaker 2: Cannot wait only crap only.
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  Speaker 4: I cannot wait to hear all of your opinions on it.
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  Speaker 4: I can't wait to probably just battle with you back
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  Speaker 4: and forth. Let's get started before we die into Sydney,
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  Speaker 4: because I do feel like it's going to take up
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  Speaker 4: a majority of our episode.
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  Speaker 2: Because it's peppered through the entire episode.
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  Speaker 4: Sure, but we're gonna save all of it until the
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  Speaker 4: very end because we'll break all those situations. Okay, we'll
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  Speaker 4: start with the group date. It's a great group date,
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  Speaker 4: I think because it brings in the golden ladies. I
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  Speaker 4: do think it was fun. I also like this group date, Ashley,
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  Speaker 4: because I do believe these kind of dates show the
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  Speaker 4: personalities of the contestant.
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  Speaker 3: Like this date.
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  Speaker 4: It doesn't have to be it doesn't have to be grandiose,
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  Speaker 4: it doesn't have to cost a lot of money. It
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  Speaker 4: doesn't have to be anything crazy or exciting. But what
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  Speaker 4: I do love is the fact that I feel like
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  Speaker 4: I know these women better after this date than I
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  Speaker 4: ever would if they dressed up in wedding gowns.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I love this date. This is a date that
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  Speaker 2: you love to watch on TV. But when you're told
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  Speaker 2: that you have to go on a date like this,
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  Speaker 2: you're like, oh my gosh, I have to come up
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  Speaker 2: with the talent. I have to answer a Q and
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  Speaker 2: A on the spot in front of a live audience.
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  Speaker 2: I have to model oh my gosh, no, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: But it does tell so much about their personality, and
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  Speaker 2: I think that Joey is able to tell who he
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  Speaker 2: likes a lot based on a date like this, And
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  Speaker 2: then it gives you a lot of content to talk
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  Speaker 2: about in the night portion of the date as well.
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  Speaker 4: The couple thoughts here for you. These dates are fun. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: they make you nervous. But the thing that I think
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  Speaker 4: when I was a bachelor, or when I'd have to
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  Speaker 4: participate in a date like this as a cant, you
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  Speaker 4: just kind.
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  Speaker 3: Of got it.
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  Speaker 4: If you don't have like a tangible skill that you
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  Speaker 4: just know you could rock the room with, you just
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  Speaker 4: want to do whatever, like just be confident, being silly, right,
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  Speaker 4: singing a song if you're not a good singer, playing
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  Speaker 4: a musical instrument, if you don't really know how to
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  Speaker 4: play juggling the best you can, if you really only
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  Speaker 4: know how to juggle one ball at a time, Like,
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  Speaker 4: just do something up there so that you're not like
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  Speaker 4: showing anger or showing like like that. Oh I don't
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  Speaker 4: want to do it because I'm not good at anything,
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  Speaker 4: Like just do whatever, be goofy. So it's really hard,
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  Speaker 4: I think, to mess up these dates because you just
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  Speaker 4: want to see people have a good time. The thing
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  Speaker 4: I didn't like about this thing is going off what
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  Speaker 4: I just said, and.
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  Speaker 3: We will bring up Sydney here because this isn't really
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  Speaker 3: a part of the drama.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it felt like she got un rightfully hated for
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  Speaker 4: her response when she said I faked it.
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  Speaker 2: I was so dumb, like, like, why are people mad.
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  Speaker 3: That she's faked it?
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  Speaker 4: It hasn't most I mean, I'm sure Jessica has Like
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure Jessica's like yeah, that's all the time, Like
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  Speaker 4: and I won't even care, like I get it, Like
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: That was just them trying to foreshadow like her saying
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  Speaker 2: things that people would disagree with, but I think like,
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  Speaker 2: in reality, nobody really disagrees with that. And then if
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  Speaker 2: she had said she had said no, I haven't, then
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't she be like then wouldn't everybody be like, oh, liar,
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  Speaker 2: oh you're oh okay, yeah, so you're that great?
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  Speaker 3: That you my question?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's where I want to get some insight because
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  Speaker 4: I heard it and I was like, Okay, it's unfortunate
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  Speaker 4: that you've had to But is it that it's not
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  Speaker 4: rare and it's not like it like that's a thing,
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  Speaker 4: right or am I just oblivious?
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  Speaker 2: It's like Harry met Sally Staple. It's like everybody that's
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  Speaker 2: like a thing. I'm pretty sure you want me to
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  Speaker 2: like look it up on Google because I'm pretty sure
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  Speaker 2: the stat will to come right right up. How many
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  Speaker 2: women up to eighty percent? Is okay a Time magazine?
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  Speaker 4: This isn't the silent minority. This is the majority of
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  Speaker 4: people saying, hey, we've all been there.
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  Speaker 3: So one that was weird too. I felt like.
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  Speaker 4: Sidney got unrightfully hated for her performance. I mean, I
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  Speaker 4: don't know if she's really taking it very serious, if
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  Speaker 4: she was and she was trying really hard to be impressive.
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  Speaker 4: Then I could see her people be like this a
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  Speaker 4: little awkward. But for me, I'm like she was just
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  Speaker 4: trying to do something that she knew how to do
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  Speaker 4: in front of people. It felt like people were judging
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  Speaker 4: her way too critically for doing what everybody else was doing,
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  Speaker 4: getting on stage and trying to do something entertaining.
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  Speaker 2: I think that there was I don't think we saw
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  Speaker 2: the whole thing. I'm sure people were far kinder in
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  Speaker 2: real life than what it seemed like. And the only
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  Speaker 2: reason it seemed so cringey to us was because the
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  Speaker 2: audience reacted seems so quiet. But I really don't think
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  Speaker 2: the audience reaction was so quiet. And if it indeed
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  Speaker 2: was like those people are.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, like clap for anybody, They're trying to try to
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  Speaker 4: get up there and do it. So I guess without
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  Speaker 4: us knowing, you know, which is kind of in my
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  Speaker 4: theme here, without us knowing, I would just say it
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  Speaker 4: was she she got the row into the deal there.
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  Speaker 4: If for what it looked like on TV, which was
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  Speaker 4: that it was very awkward and very quiet for her,
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  Speaker 4: then I would say that was me. Uh, that was
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  Speaker 4: not nice. She was not on the meaning of that
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  Speaker 4: uh moment. She was actually like that was sad. It
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  Speaker 4: was a very sad moment to watch. It was hard
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  Speaker 4: to watch. I felt for her, I know, I know.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, so your cheer, you don't look
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  Speaker 2: like a villain, but it's cringe tov.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it was. But all of them were
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  Speaker 4: a little awkward, right, I mean there was so many of.
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  Speaker 2: Even yeah, like it Leena singing like they made it
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  Speaker 2: seem like she was Katherine McPhee up there or something,
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  Speaker 2: and it's like, guys, very.
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  Speaker 4: Yed. There was a Duena singing, I forget all the
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  Speaker 4: other acts, but like, there wasn't really one that was like,
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  Speaker 4: I am so good at this thing. I cannot wait
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  Speaker 4: to show you how good I am. It was like,
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  Speaker 4: we're gonna get up here and try our best to
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  Speaker 4: just be decent and that's all. And that would probably
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  Speaker 4: all Joey wanted. It's just like, let's have fun with this.
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  Speaker 4: Let's not make this weirder than I already is.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think about Lexi and the kiss? The
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  Speaker 2: kiss the greatest kisser out there.
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  Speaker 4: I don't like any moment where a lead kisses somebody
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  Speaker 4: in front of the other people.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like it.
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  Speaker 4: I just don't think it's helpful. I always try to
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  Speaker 4: never do that.
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  Speaker 2: So you would think that that moment was definitely more
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  Speaker 2: right or in bad taste.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe not even villainus, because I get it, like.
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  Speaker 2: In bad taste. But I didn't have I didn't I
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  Speaker 2: don't have I didn't have an issue with it because
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  Speaker 2: she did deliver the moment with such confidence that I
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  Speaker 2: was like, I can't hate this girl for this, Like
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  Speaker 2: she's she's kind of rocking the moment. But it is hard.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know as a contestant, I would have been
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  Speaker 4: a lot more affected by that moment than I would
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  Speaker 4: have Sidney's moment.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah right, Yeah, a lot more effected.
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  Speaker 3: It would be living in my head. I'd be thinking
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  Speaker 3: about a night.
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  Speaker 2: But of course the audience is going to go wild
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  Speaker 2: for that, and so are the Golden Ladies.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, the Golden Lads are great as always, They're legends.
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  Speaker 4: They're great over this weekend too, They're very excited about them.
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  Speaker 2: Was there this weekend Kathy and Susan oh okay, So
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  Speaker 2: they were Susan oh okay, just the most outrageous of
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  Speaker 2: them all.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're so fun, they're so wild, they're the best.
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  Speaker 4: Actually, Kathy and I sat down for a really great
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  Speaker 4: conversation as well, and that was that's powerful. Kathy is
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  Speaker 4: a is a fan of the Almost Days podcast, a
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  Speaker 4: great supporter of us. What good words of encouragement for
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  Speaker 4: the two of us. But she's she was great. They're
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  Speaker 4: so fun.
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  Speaker 3: I could hang out with them all the time, but
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  Speaker 3: I'd be exhausted, honestly.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, they're like energy sucks because they're just non stop.
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  Speaker 3: Chanting so much energy.
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  Speaker 4: Like they could go from like I would walk out
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  Speaker 4: of my room at six thirty in the morning and
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  Speaker 4: there'd be Susan, and then at midnight we're still all
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  Speaker 4: out and I'm like, I don't know how this is happening.
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  Speaker 4: I don't I don't like this. This is so exhausting
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  Speaker 4: for me. But they're ready to go back again.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like it's like a little bit of a
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  Speaker 2: fame high though you know.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's a high on something and it's awesome. It's
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  Speaker 3: so great.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, So then we go into the group date cocktail party.
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  Speaker 4: This group date cocktail party is where the dramas kind
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  Speaker 4: of starts. Yeah, so actually, actually actually I'm going to
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  Speaker 4: ask to yeh. Actually, Ashley, I'm going to ask to
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  Speaker 4: skip the cocktail parties now because I know we're going
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  Speaker 4: to get back to it, becase, because what I want
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  Speaker 4: to do is walk through the timeline here of the
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  Speaker 4: Maria Sidney kind of relationship and the argument if I'm
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  Speaker 4: start to finish, so actually go back and we'll start
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  Speaker 4: at this cocktail party later. They did have a cocktail party.
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  Speaker 2: Is there anything else worth mentioning on drama related with them?
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  Speaker 4: Not really, other than the fact that the rose of
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  Speaker 4: the cocktail party, the rose that went to Kelsey. That's
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  Speaker 4: a big deal. It's kind of we'l see I feel
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  Speaker 4: like coming out party. Honestly, this was kind of the
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  Speaker 4: first episode where we really got to know her a
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  Speaker 4: little bit more. I think we're ready to know her
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  Speaker 4: a lot there as the season continues, but this is
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  Speaker 4: really the first moment where we really got to know Kelsey.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, and he likes her.
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  Speaker 3: Yes he does. Back of the mansion, Jess really wants
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  Speaker 3: to go on one on one.
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  Speaker 4: We're kind of seeing that play out, but the one
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  Speaker 4: on one does get announced and it's for gin Jen
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  Speaker 4: gets the one on one Daycart says, love is wild.
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  Speaker 4: Uh and uh, I'm really pumped about this one on one.
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  Speaker 4: I think Jin is kind of like a sneaky pick
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  Speaker 4: right now. She kind of has moved way up in
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  Speaker 4: my rankings after this.
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  Speaker 2: She was you know, she was always in my rankings.
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  Speaker 2: She was in my four.
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  Speaker 3: She always was in your four.
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  Speaker 4: Well, so I guess for you when you saw that
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  Speaker 4: she was getting the one on one, what was your thoughts?
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  Speaker 3: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: I thought, well, obviously, but then I also thought, actually
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  Speaker 2: during the surfing part, I was like, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if she is going to get four. I didn't feel
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  Speaker 2: like they were super connected during that part, Okay, but
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  Speaker 2: I think that they did connect more when she started
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  Speaker 2: talking about her family situation on that date on like
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  Speaker 2: the nightdime date.
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  Speaker 4: I think early on too. I mean, Joey is crushing it.
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  Speaker 4: He's a great bachelor. People are gonna love him. People
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  Speaker 4: do love him already.
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  Speaker 3: I do think those one on ones.
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  Speaker 4: When you're doing an activity are kind of weird because
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  Speaker 4: there is this kind of unspoken rule that you can't
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  Speaker 4: get into anything.
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  Speaker 3: Serious, serious DURINGHAM and so you kind of want to
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  Speaker 3: wait for the coctit party.
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  Speaker 4: So the deeper, the human is, and honestly, sometimes the
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  Speaker 4: more the connection you have with this person, the harder
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  Speaker 4: those one on ones are to not be awkward during
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  Speaker 4: because it's just so natural to talk about things that
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  Speaker 4: should be recorded.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so glad you brought that up. That is absolutely
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  Speaker 2: so true. So it's just kind of like you're you're
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  Speaker 2: feeling learning and giggling and stuff, but you're not really
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  Speaker 2: having conversations of real substance and plus like you're learning,
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  Speaker 2: she's learning how to surf and all that, so it's
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  Speaker 2: all it's all giggles.
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  Speaker 3: It's all giggles.
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  Speaker 4: That's really all they want again, And it's the unspoken
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  Speaker 4: kind of rule that like, hey, don't say anything too
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  Speaker 4: serious during this. It's you know, it's so those moments
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  Speaker 4: are kind of like they're forgettable for me honestly because
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  Speaker 4: I know they don't really have much depth to them
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  Speaker 4: other than the giggles and like the fun activity that
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  Speaker 4: you get to do together.
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  Speaker 2: But activities like sports like this do help you open up.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, later on, you just got to talk about it.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, you know, it gives you at that the
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  Speaker 4: evening when you sit down together, like gives you something
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  Speaker 4: to speak about to share about to laugh about. And
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  Speaker 4: then obviously Jen did get into her story how her
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  Speaker 4: story with her family is a difficult one and one
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  Speaker 4: where she feels separated, well, she is like separated from
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  Speaker 4: her dad.
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  Speaker 3: He has no role in her life.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, sat and.
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  Speaker 4: This was h This was one of those moments during
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  Speaker 4: the show when you watch and you listen, you know
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  Speaker 4: that many people out there are probably watching this show
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  Speaker 4: and relating with her, and she speaks looking to a
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  Speaker 4: lot of people out there. It's it's a really difficult
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  Speaker 4: kind of story to share. But the two of them
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  Speaker 4: I do believe got closer from it, don't you.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, totally. And like her parents' relationship, just like
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  Speaker 2: that that's awful to grow it up in. There were
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  Speaker 2: slamming doors and throwing things. She said it was a
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  Speaker 2: traumatic house to grow up in, and she thought that
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  Speaker 2: she was doomed for failure, and like they lived in
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  Speaker 2: the same house but were separated and slept in different
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  Speaker 2: beds for like seven years. So that's really rough. But
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  Speaker 2: you know, she she seemed very comfortable with him at
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  Speaker 2: the end of this date. And I liked, I liked
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  Speaker 2: it was an easy date for me to watch.
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  Speaker 3: It was and it's a good way. I say, it's
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  Speaker 3: an easy date for me to watch.
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  Speaker 4: Even in the midst of the heaviness, it was like, no,
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  Speaker 4: these two are great together. So she skyrocketed up my rankings.
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  Speaker 4: But while they're on their date, she obviously gets the rose.
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  Speaker 4: They're still very happy as a beautiful moment with music
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  Speaker 4: playing and kissing and just your I mean, if they
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  Speaker 4: really went all out with that music, it really felt
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  Speaker 4: like the love story was over. I know it's not
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  Speaker 4: because we have a lot of show left.
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  Speaker 2: You said this about Daisy, you were like, stop the
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  Speaker 2: show last week.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm not saying south to show. I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I can't say that about the two of them together yet,
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  Speaker 4: But I say the music that was playing in the background,
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  Speaker 4: like they went all out. If you listen to that
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  Speaker 4: background music, you're gonna be like they went all out
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  Speaker 4: to make sure everybody knew that this date was bicaculate.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so one little note. Yeah, and knowing and having
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  Speaker 2: lived in LA going to the Hollywood Forever Cemetery for
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  Speaker 2: a date, isn't that weird. It's where they show movies
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  Speaker 2: and stuff and you go like lie out on the
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  Speaker 2: lawn and it's kind of like a romanticized place in
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  Speaker 2: LA But if I.
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  Speaker 3: Was just are they celebrities buried there?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of celebrities are buried there. But if
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  Speaker 2: I saw the opening like scene to the at and
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  Speaker 2: I saw that they were going to a graveyard and crematorium.
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  Speaker 2: Is that how you say crematorium, I'd be like, why
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  Speaker 2: are they going here for a date? That was never
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  Speaker 2: brought up?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it never was confronted, was it. That's weird?
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  Speaker 2: Like even if you were just to say, like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: people do date night here a lot. They have this
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  Speaker 2: big protector who the heck knows, but it was like
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  Speaker 2: kind of strange.
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  Speaker 4: Back of the mansion. The second group date gets announced.
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  Speaker 4: Caitlin Autumn, Rachel, Daisy, Evelyn, Kelsey, t Star, and Jess
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  Speaker 4: are going to go on this date. It's a tennis date.
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  Speaker 4: The card says, I'm done playing singles. This, Ashley, was
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  Speaker 4: an incredible date.
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  Speaker 2: You love this. I knew you were gonna love this
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  Speaker 2: because like, you're just a sporty guy and you probably
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  Speaker 2: knew who the tennis players were, and I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: this is one of my sports ones that like I'm
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  Speaker 2: not gonna get in, but to get to know anybody's personality,
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  Speaker 2: but it does make sense with you know, Joey being
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  Speaker 2: a tennis pro. Well he's not a pro trainer trainer.
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  Speaker 4: But it's fun. It's funny. I like that they dressed
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  Speaker 4: up in costumes. I like that the girls had fun
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  Speaker 4: as a contestant. These are the dates you dream of
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  Speaker 4: where it's not so much pressure.
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  Speaker 2: This was very low pressure, very fun.
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  Speaker 4: For the bear induced where you're like jumping off of
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  Speaker 4: a bridge. This is just like a fun activity with friends.
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  Speaker 4: They probably had a few drinks, they played a little tennis,
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: then they got all dressed up and went to the
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: cocktail perm.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And you know who stood out this this on
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: this day, it was Caitlin, who we haven't seen much of.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: She ends up getting the group date rose and she
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: talks to Joey about this curse that her family has
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: where her mom, who has five sisters and one brother,
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: has the situation in which all the sisters are single.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm, that's curse. Curse is because it's her mom's
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: her mom's sisters, so they're all like adults. It's not
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: like she's saying, like me and my sisters all in
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: our twenties. It's like, Okay, well he he kind of,
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: but he thought it was funny and it was very cute.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: It was well done, it was well like community was.
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: I thought it was perfect.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that she's she said that she doesn't need
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: a man to validate her feelings, and that's great too.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: She just seemed like very confident in her delivery of
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: the story and just like fun and lighthearted, which is
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: why I think she ended up getting the group date Rose.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: But also Kelsey t kind of comes out of the
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: woodwork for the first time. He practices a tennis swing
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: with her and makes some comments about how like he
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: really jives with her.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: This weekend, actually I was in Charlotte, actually Beaumont speaking
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: at the Point Community Church and I got to speak
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: to the church. Great group people, they're fantastic group people.
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: A lot of listeners Almost Famous podcast came in and
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: one of the one of the sessions I spoke on singleness.
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: And my comment about singleness is it's what I tell
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: my friends, and I've said down here you before, like
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: you're not promised relationship.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: Like I think that's one lie that we continue to
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: tell ourselves.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned this on a previous podcast.
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: This and so it's super depressing. I know, I'm just
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: one of those guys. But the cool part is I
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: had some really great people come up to me afterwards
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: U and one of the things I did share and
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: kind of one of the conversations I was able to
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: be a part of is h is about singleness. And
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: the lessons about singleness that I've learned from hearing from people,
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: especially this weekend after Saturday Night and Sunday services, is
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: that if you're single, one of the best things you
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: can do is become really really in tune with yourself,
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: start to love yourself, and be confident in yourself. And
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: I think this was a great example of that on
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: this date was just you came in communicated, well, she's confident,
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: she's strong, she would love to have a partner, but
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: she knows she doesn't need one, like she's good on
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: her own.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: She's a human that can have a huge impact even
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: without one.
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: I think she was a great example for all those
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: singles out there right now of what you know, of
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: what you can be, and what you should be.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: It's very well said. Another conversation that we see two
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: others I think worth mentioning on this group date was
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Rachel and Joey. First, she gets her ear and caught
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: on Joey's sweater. She thinks it's kind of embarrassing. I
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: would be like, No, this is a great moment to
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: just be accidentally close to him, and it's cute and flirty.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: And then they talk about her dad and like her
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: dad and house like sweet and respectful, and how much
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: he adores and values her mom so much, and how
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: it does like these little things it has like a
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: gentleness to him. And she says that like she can
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: kind of get vibes from Joey that are like her dad.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: So this is just like another bonding moment between Rachel
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: and Joey that I do think she's gonna get pretty far.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: And then we have Daisy talking to him, and this
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: time she's like, do you have any questions about my
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: cochlear implant? Like do you want to basically play with it?
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: So she introduces him to kind of like the actual equipment.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: They're very comfortable together. Yeah, like they're very far along.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: You can see the difference with Daisy compared to some
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: here right like the barnabah Okay.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: Actually, time to switch gears a little bit.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: We've gone through the whole episode pretty much outside of
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: the Sydney and Maria drum. We've already mentioned that I
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: think Sydney got the throw into the deal when it
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: comes to her group date. I don't believe she said
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: anything outrageously wrong or that she deserved the quiet lack
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: of response and applause that she got after her performance.
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: I think that was really hard to watch. I don't
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: think it was good after this week's episode, Ashley, I
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: would love to hear your thoughts on this drama and
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: this controversy outside of using the excuse of it's all edited,
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: because I don't think we can use that because you
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: know what we We only know what we saw, and
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: we only know what we experienced. And so, as a
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: viewer of this show and your experience watching it, what
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: is your take on this drama now after one more week?
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Well, then I can't say that there. I think, Okay,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: here you go. This is how I'll work around this
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: question of yours. I think that all the drama seems
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: to be completely about nothing right now, like very much.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: Nothing like what let me pause? Can I pause you here? Though?
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: Is that not Maria's point exactly?
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know about that.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: Okay, continue then I just wanted to I want to
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: hear your there keep going.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: We hear Sidney say that she called her like weird
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: and was it like stupid and embarrassing, and then there's
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: a couple of other things that I've heard that she's
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: called her but like it did not make air. And
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: I think one, you'd have to think that Sidney is
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: making that up, that she totally made that up out
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: of thin air and told Joey about that, so she's
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: a liar, or you can think that they you just
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: didn't see her saying that on TV. But I think
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: because there is seemingly this is all an argument over nothing,
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: and it certainly is not just about Medina in the
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: old comment. Now, like let's just forget about that. That
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: does not exist in my mind barely during this episode.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of contexts missing, and that's
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: what I'll say.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: I said, you couldn't use it as an excuse.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: But I'm not using it as an excuse because I'm saying,
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: base on what I see on TV, it seems like
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: an argument about nothing, and I'm sure it's not an
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: argument about nothing.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: Okay, you don't know what I see.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I see somebody obsessed with causing conflict with Maria,
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: like some for whatever reason, whatever we're seeing, not seeing
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: experience or not. Sydney could simply as we said last
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: week again, she's beautiful, she is confident like she obviously
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: you said it, so I have to trust you.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: She's cool, like she's got so much.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: She does not come across as cool though, like I
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: will admit this.
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: But I will say in life, I said she's cool. Yeah,
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: so what I will say is exactly what I said
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: last week. Still is Sidney, what are you doing?
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: Give it up? I mean, Maria and Medina got together
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: like they're.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: Good, Like this cannot still be coming from the age thing,
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: but yet there's still this protection and Ashley the only
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: reason why I'm so confident.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: And saying she should just give it up because this
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: is a weird obsession.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: This is a line she crossed and I don't know
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: why they chose her to cross it or why she
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: chose to cross it, But the other women are not
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: having Sydney's back.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: In fact, Sidney got up and walked away from the
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: cocktail party said anybody wants to follow me? I don't
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: want to do with this drama. Nobody followed her right
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: instead of.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Way, it seems like nobody followed her.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: Nobody followed her.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: That's what it seems.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: Like, Ashley.
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: I know what you're trying to tell me. Okay, I
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: know what you're trying to say here. But in the
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: interviews the itms.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Only Alison and Aduena are talking, and Alison and a
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Duena seem to be the only friends with Maria, and
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: it seems like Medina is friends. And then we have
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Medina who's friends with Sydney, and then we have Aleyah
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: who's definitely friends but Maria.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: They've talked, They're like, yeah, this is out of blown,
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: out of proportion, this isn't a thing, and yet Sidney
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: continues to go back to it.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: I know what your claim is, that they're not showing
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: the whole story, right, but where are you getting that
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: information from?
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: I am getting the information for obviously one person. But
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: I can also tell you that I just trust her
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: more than I trust what I guess. I I just
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: trust her. I can trust her. But I would also
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: say this like she should not have ever gotten involved
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: with anything, Like even if she was this you know,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: let's just pretend like Maria is saying evil things and
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: like she is screaming, name calling all this stuff, and
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: they for some reason are choosing not to show this.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: I don't I still don't think Sidney should have gotten
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: in the mix of like being like the defender or
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: like the person who stands up to the villain. You
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: should just never be that person. But I also a
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: couple most point of view, having been there, and it's
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: just so much easier to say you shouldn't be that person,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: because like, I obviously got myself involved in plenty of
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: drama even knowing that, like, it's not always your best.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: Look So Sydney at this point, I guess if we
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: characterized her right from what we know of her on
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: the show so far. On the show, what we see
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: is somebody who is obsessed with getting Maria gone. She
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: is the one that is not supposed least, the only
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: one that's not scared of her. She is the one
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: that will stand up for the group, right she is
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: the one that's going to confront Maria. But right now,
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: it feels like Sidney continues to make something out of nothing,
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: continues to try to dig deeper to get Maria taught
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: or in trouble. That's what we're seeing from this episode.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not. I'm not claiming any anything about Sydney.
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: In fact, again, I think I watch here and the
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: whole time I'm like, one stop, like just stop this,
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: whatever you're doing, stop it.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: Turn course here, stop doing this. Right. Everybody else seems
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: to be not bothered by.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: It, And I will say the one lesson you can
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: take if it means anybody's listening, that will at some
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: point they're like on the show, if everybody else is
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: not bothered by it, I don't think you should be either.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Definitely, it seems like no one else is bothered by it.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: I agree, though, Like I told Sidney after watching this episode,
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: I was like, you're not a villain. You're just gonna
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: come across no villain. I was like, you're just annoying,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: you see, and you cringey, and everybody's gonna want you
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: to be gone because nobody wants to hear your drama
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: over nothing.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: Okay, but maybe we have different definitions. If everybody wants
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: you to be gone because you caused.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Drama, no, not in the house. Not in the house.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: I'm saying the viewers, the audience.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: Okay, if everybody wants her to be gone because she
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: causes drama over nothing, does that not make her a film?
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: No, Because I think a villain is somebody who's being
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: like actually toxic and like a mean person. I don't
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: think she's doing She's not being a mean person right now.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: We see her like, I mean, it kind of feels
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: like it to me.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know, Well, what do you think she said
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: that was mean?
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: Once? She's saying things that I don't think we fully saw, right.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: So she's saying Maria said this and this and this
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: about me from watching it, I don't know that to
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: be true. I see Maria saying, hey, I'm her and
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: I'm confused by this. I want to fix this. Can we, like,
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: can we work through this and see? And he's like, no,
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: you're stop talking to me.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: I'm gone. It feels like she's being very mean right now.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: To Maria. It does not feel like Maria has been
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: mean to her yet.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Well, you know we hear that, Maria, you know, his
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: name calling her. She says that at least we do
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: hear her say that.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: Who says that she tells.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: That to Joey. She says, yeah, Sidney, so you think
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: that she's actually lying about everything?
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: I don't claim that. No, Actually I cannot claim for
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: her to be a liar.
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: That is not something I want to do here that
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: I don't think she's lying, but we don't see it.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. There's just we're missing a
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: lot of contacts. I think.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: I don't want to be tough on Sydney. Here's the
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: deal again.
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: I wanted to make it very clear that when I
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: saw her and when I heard about her going on
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: the show and the great things that you said about
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: her to me, and then she is gorgeous like she is,
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: she's beautiful. Uh, And I do think I saw her
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: and said, I hope she makes it towards the end.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: I think she has that potential, right.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that she was going to make it.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: Tarzanta a little bit of this when my response here
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: is frustration because I feel like for somebody that had
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: the opportunity to make it towards the end, she sabotaged it.
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: And she did it maybe a little bit clouded in judgment,
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: meaning some of the stuff she's saying, most of the
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: stuff she's saying we didn't see and so as a result,
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: the only thing I can see here or say here
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: is that she is causing controversy where controversy doesn't need
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: to exist, and she's sabotaging herself. And I'm frustrated with her,
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: and I'm frustrated with how this has been handled, and
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: I'm frustrated that continues to happen because I wanted your
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: friend to go far.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: I wanted her to have a fair shot. I wanted
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: her to be beloved.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: But I do think Ashley, if we're honest, she is
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: the villain of the season.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: All right. I mean you can think that you might
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: be right, You might be right. Who knows, maybe like
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: some thing will come out. It's not building towards that
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: at all. Let's also say that they don't show any
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: moments of her with Joey, so like we don't know
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: her at all beyond the drama. So they're like, so like,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: it's hard to like her for sure because we don't
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: know anything beyond her not liking Maria.
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: Well, we have seen her with Joey, and she was
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: she chose to immediately talk about Maria, and we know
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: that's not a good move and quite honestly, Ashley, we
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: also know that at this point in the season, there
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: isn't a lot of moments with Joey or with the lead,
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: and so the moment she has had probably three or four.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: She didn't have a date the first week, so the.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: Moments with Joey so far have been stuck talking about
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: somebody else. And here is advice number one when it
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: comes to being on the show. Don't spend your time
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: talking about somebody else. It never goes well. I would
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: love for her to have some more support here. I
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: don't want to not support her. I'm not saying I
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: dislike her, No, I know you're not. I'm just simply
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: saying I'm frustrated, and I honestly just don't enjoy it,
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: Like it's not fun for me.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: I really think that I spelled out that, like, don't
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: be the one that gets involved in somebody else's drama.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: But maybe I didn't because maybe that would have been
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: hypocritical of me. It's so hold on one second, I
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: know Jared did. Okay, So I got Jared upstairs and
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: because I know that he was watching the episode last night,
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: and he's like, oh, you know, if I'm home by
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: the time you're recording, like, I'd like to kind of
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: say my two cents, So Babe, this is your time
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: to say your two cents, because you know, you just
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: just go for it. We've already talked about don't bring
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: up the fash the pageant because that's so inconsequential, just
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: like your overall take on what Sidney situation, because Ben
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: thinks that she is the villain, like an actual villain.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: He thinks that she's being mean, and I said, I
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: don't think she's being mean. I just think she's getting
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: herself far too involved.
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: First and foremost, obviously we're friends with Sidney.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: You've established this.
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: But like my point being is if anybody is like, oh,
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: you're just defending your friend, yeah, we're defending our friend. Sorry, sorry, sorry.
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: If we're going to try to defend friends, I don't
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: know if that's what people do out there, but hopefully
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: you're cool with that, and if you're not, then maybe
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: you should turn this off right now.
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: And here's my only thing, Jared, I want you to
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: defend friends, and I don't want to ruin Sydney on
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: this podcast. That's not fun and it's not what we
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: do here.
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: But we're gonna tell how it is, Yes, but I
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: want you to.
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: Be honest, like, don't don't come on here and just
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: like say stuff that like will sugarcoat it, Like I
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: want honesty still.
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: Oh, I agree, I want honesty as well. I've always
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: been in the camp that I think even when so
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: Lois just burst it through the door. So when Sidney
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: first came back, obviously we talked to her, and from
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: the initial get go, I was like, I'm nervous for
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: you because it sounds like she's the girl that continues
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: to go to the Bachelor to talk about other girls
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: or specifically this one girl. And then obviously it's the
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: way it played out. So what I feel bad for
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: is I do think that Sydney was trying to do
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: the right thing by sticking up for her friends. But
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: at the same time, how many times have we seen
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: this where it's this girl who continues to not let
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: something go and thinks that someone is a bad person
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: or someone's mean. And I'm sure who's I suck? And
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, what is the name of the girl?
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Maria?
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: Maria?
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: I knew that, so I'm sure Maria has I'm sure
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: Maria has been mean to some girls and has said
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: some crappy things, but that doesn't give Sydney the right
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: to like continue to harp on it, which it feels
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: like she was doing, and whether she was doing that
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: on her own or she was certainly not getting pressure
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: but getting like hyped up from other cast members or
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: producers like regardless, I was hoping that she would know
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: better than to like continue to go to The Bachelor
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: and like talk about this other girl because it's like, oh,
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: like let it go, let it go. So this episode
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: was not good for her obviously. The annoying part is
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: like the whole thing is just annoying. Like that's what
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: I feel.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: That's what I said. I was like, she's annoying and cringing,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: but like I don't think she's mean.
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: Nah, I definitely don't think she's mean. I think what
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: is annoying, And we see this routinely on the show
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: is that because it just feels like there's always this
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: drama early on where it's annoying drama, right because it's like,
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: you know, the relationship, there's still so many people that
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: were not like as invested in the actual relationships that
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: matter yet, so it's all this like drama between girls
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: that were like okay, like they're obviously not going to
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: be there for much longer. And that's what it feels
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: like with Sydney and everybody. So I feel bad for
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: Sydney because she's getting it twofold, because I feel like
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: she's involved in drama that she's on the wrong side of,
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: and she's involved in drama that people are just annoyed
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: at rather than like care about.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: It has like no connection with them. So people all
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: so I'm like, oh.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: No, okay, question for you guys kind of close us out.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: You knew this storyline was coming down the pipeline. You've
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: talked to city before the show aired. You knew her story.
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: Is it better or worse than what you than knew
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: what you expected.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: When she came back and told me her story, I
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: was like, Okay, it seems like she'll be a person
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: of prominence. I can't promise this is in my head.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: I was like, it can go both ways for her.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: I had faith and positivity that it would go in
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: her direction and she would look good. But I knew
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: there was like an inkling that she might and I
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: just that she might not.
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: Here's I gotta be honest, the entire time, I thought
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: that it wasn't gonna go well, but I was hoping
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: I was just wrong, because I've been wrong many times
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: before and I'll be wrong again. Unfortunately, it doesn't feel
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: like we were wrong about this. You were not wrong,
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: but what because the problem is we all know, of course,
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: like like how many times I keep saying this, but
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: we all know that the show's condensed to an hour
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: and twenty minutes with four or five days worth, so
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: like there's gonna be so much that's just left out,
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: not because like the show's intentionally trying to put things,
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: you know, like they're just creating a story around the
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: kind of the what overall happened during filming, right, So
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: it's like they have to condense everything, and so it's
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: hard for me to hear SID. You know, it's because
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: it's like, of course there are things that are not
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: going to be aired, but that's just the way the
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: show is, and it's not right or wrong. It's just
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: like how this this area works. And so I feel
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: bad for Sid because it's just like there's so much
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: out of context, and it's like I know, and that sucks,
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: and it's hard because you want everybody to see everything.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: But they couldn't show at all.
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: That's why you don't get involved in these sticky situations,
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: because you know they're gonna try to tell the story
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: and as effective and efficient as way as possible, which means, yes,
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: the small conversation you had with somebody else might not
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: be shown.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: It's gonna get cut out.
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: You have to know if you expect them to show
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: this whole thing, you would have taken up even more
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: of this episode.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: And I still don't know if it would have gone
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: well for you.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Like stay, guys, this from two men who played it
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: so right on the show. You just focus on your
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: connection with people and not about any of the outside,
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: which is.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: Not intriguing to me.
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: It's too complex. I never understood anything that was going on.
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: People were doing weird stuff the whole time, and I
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: didn't want to understand it because it was just there's
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: too much happening and it moves too fat for me.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: And so as a.
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: Result, Jared and I sat on the couch and talk football.
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: And that's a world I know, in a world I
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: can live in, in a world I can get along in.
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: And yes, we might have argued, but it definitely wasn't
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: about anything that really matters in this world.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: I think Ben and I both while filming, were always like,
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: if something was happening, we were never going to be
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: the person to be like, we need to tell Caitlyn
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: about this. And it's like, Caitlyn has a good head
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: on her shoulders, she has tons of producers around her.
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: She'll be fine. I'm not worried about Kaitlyn, you know.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: I'm worried about me that guy. Yeah, I don't need
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: to be that guy.
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: This isn't This isn't something that I need to carry.
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: I don't need to be the protector of the house
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: name the last protector of the house where it's gone
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: well for them.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: Never happened exactly.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: But that's why Jared was concerned when Sidney told him
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: her story, because it sounded like she was the only
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: person that really was being vocal.
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: But it's hard because I also understand that sidney intention
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: was a good intention. She was trying to help friends
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: and trying to like stick up and be that person.
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: And it's hard to tell someone, especially in the aftermath,
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: that they were wrong because I know that she was
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: trying to do the right thing.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: So it's like sometimes you.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Can't help yourself and you feel so compelled to do it.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: And that's where I came.
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: From, and especially in that world, because you know, everything
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: happens just so fast that you just you know, it's
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: like before you know it, you're You've already talked to
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: Joey about this numerous times, and you're like, where where
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: did the time? Like how did this happen? You know,
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: you kind of just everything's on you know, times too there.
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: I believe her intentions were good. I think the lesson
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: of this story, though, is I also, I get to
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: see a woman on this show this season that I
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: don't believe is capable of sticking up for themselves. I've
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: get to seen it, and so I don't know why
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: they would need Sydney to do it for them. I
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: think every and then, Quite honestly, I would think if
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: I was on the show and I had a friend,
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: if Jared was going up to Kaitlin being like, you
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: know what this person's really mean to Ben, I would
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: probably tell Jared, hey man, you can just stay out
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: of it, because I don't want That's not a story
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: I need to continue to like promote Kaitlyn doesn't really
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: know about it. Kind of makes me look weak, kind
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: of makes me look you know, not capable. I just
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: I think it's good intentions. I just don't think it's
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: necessary and I think it gets shown to be it
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: doesn't get shown in a good light.
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I would agree with that. I think it
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: is also different. There is a difference between a guy
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: and a girl doing it because as we've seen with
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: the show previously, and like, there is this element of
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: girls sticking up for girls, which I obviously can't really
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: speak upon all that well because I'm not a female.
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: But of course, like you know, like for example, but
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: a lot of people talked about on The Golden Bachelor
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: was the idea of that these girls were like all
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: together and like they liked that, they liked the unity
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: of it together. So I understand that, like maybe in
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: Sid's head, she was like, you know, we're kind of
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: in this together, so to speak. And I want to
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: help out a friend having said that, I'm more in
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: line with you than I am with her. But at
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: the same time, I know Sid personally and it's like
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: I want to make sure that I'm I'm on her
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: side as well, and make that very clear.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: I don't think your intentions were bad.
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: I don't think this is going to be like one
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: of those memorable villainous moments. I don't even think whenever
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: this ends, I don't think people remember this happened this
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: season like this is such and that's a good reminder
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: for Sidney is to tell her, hey, to this will
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: come and go faster than you ever expected and it's
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: going to be okay, like it will oh one hundred percent.
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: I just think right now, it's a very annoying, weird look.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: I think it is cringey. I think it's hard to watch.
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: I think it's unnecessary. I don't think Sydney's getting to
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: get into the deal here, no matter how this really
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: played out in real life, if it was how it's
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: happening or not. I unfortunately it's a very drama less
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: season so far, and so she is going to get
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: the attention right now, like she's going to get the
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: feedback and she's gonna feel it for a bit and
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: that's not fun for anybody. So she needs good friends
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: like you guys to sit beside her right now to
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: tell her, hey, yeah, this is like tell her truth
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: like this isn't fun, Like this doesn't look good. But
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: ain't nobody out there really hating on you. They're just
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: criticizing the moment and that's exactly.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: And to all the people out there that are like
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: they can't believe they are offending their friend like that,
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: blah blah blah, think about all the villains that you
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: watched on Bachelor and you couldn't stand and then when
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: it came to Bachelor in Paradise, you got to know
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: them a little bit more and you totally forgot about
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: what they did in the Bachelor because you got to
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: know them more. Like just you know, that's just you
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: need to know somebody more. But before you just jumped
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: to these judgments.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: It's hard to dislike somebody once you get to know them, right.
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: As Yeah, it's it's very hard. But let me just
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: say one more thing before I get out of here,
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: is that listen, I would never tell anybody what to
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: think or give their opinion. Of course, Like if you're like, wow,
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: Sidney so annoying, I mean, have your opinion. I don't
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: really care, but please keep you to yourself and off
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: social media directly at Sydney, just like, don't comment guys, and.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: I'm like, are you kidding me? You guys like that
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: was nothing last week?
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, just like my I mean, I know everybody says this,
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: just don't don't like go on and there's no reason
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: for you to go underneath one of her pictures and
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: voice your opinion and be like I thought you sucked. Like,
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: there's no reason for that. Like, keep it in the
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: living room, watching TV. Whatever your thoughts are, except if
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: they're good and you're like, we love Sidney, then maybe
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: you should write that because that would make her feel very,
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: very good right now.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: Also, us supporting Sydney in this way does not mean
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: that we are not like rooting on Maria and like
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: think that Maria sucks or anything like that. We're just
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: saying that there is possibly two sides of.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: You gave good, honest feedback on this episode. It is
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: a wild episode. It is a crazy episode full of
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: Sydney and Maria extravaganza. It's not stopping soon because the
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: two of them did get a rose, so they're both
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: on the next week.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: We'll see more of that. Honestly, another great.
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: Episode of That's Her Joey crushes It Ashley to close
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: out here, we're gonna go top two right now.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: For you, Top two is going to be Daisy and Well,
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: it's toss up between Lexi and Kelsey A, but we'll
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: go with Lexi.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go Daisy and Rachel.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's a good choice.
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: So we don't think Sydney's top to, just confirming that.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: We're just confirming that Sidney is definitely not top to.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: That's one thing you can't stan under her picture. Hey,
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: I don't think you're gonna be top two.
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: Joey wasn't your guy?
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: That's it? Y? Yeah, If anything, Joe's that you got
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: all right?
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: Hey, this is an almost famous podcast, Jared, thanks for
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: jumping on. We'll be back next week breaking down another
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: episode of Joey season The Bachelor, and also again reminder
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: that we have more content come from Carmel. We also
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: have an almost good advice coming out very soon. It's
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: going to be incredible. It's been a lot of fun
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: doing it. Ashley's crushing it. I feel like this almost
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: good Advice has gotten a lot of traction and it's
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: been really exciting for us.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: So until next time, I've been Ben.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: I've been Ashley, and you've been Jered Babe Bye.
• 46:28
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