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The Bill Gates Epstein Related Congressional Transcripts (Part 2) (6/25/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  where we left off with the Bill Gates transcript from
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  his conversation with Congress. Question sure, answer, I believe that
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  he found out about the affairs through doctor Nikolich. Question
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  did you ever ask doctor Nikolich to do anything morally
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  inappropriate or unethically unsound? Answer? While he was involved, he
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  knew that I had spent time with the women I
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  had affairs with, so only in that sense. Question how
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  did he know that? Answer? You know one time it
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  was scheduling thing when we were in London, where I
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  said to him I was going to disappear and wanted
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  him to show that I was meeting with them at
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  the time. Question, so you used them as an alibi
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  to meet with a woman? Is a fair question? That
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  is correct? Question did he know the name of a
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  woman at the time? Answer? At some point I mentioned
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  the name to him. Question did you ever ask doctor
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  Nikolich to do anything that was potentially illegal? Answer no. Question.
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  Did doctor Nikolch ever assist you in acquiring drugs? Answer no?
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  Question did you ever ask him to acquire you drugs?
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  Answer no. Question was doctor Nikolich a medical doctor? Answer?
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  I think he was a research doctor. Question did he
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  have prescribing authority? Do you know? Answer? I don't understand
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  that question. To be clear, you don't understand the question
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  or you don't understand prescribing authority. Answer I'm not sure
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  whether he had prescribing authority. It never came up. Question,
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  So do you have any guesses as to why doctor
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  Nikolch or Jeffrey Epstein believed that you had asked doctor
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  Nikolch to acquire drugs for you? Answer? I don't have
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  any awareness that doctor Nikolch ever saw the email. Is
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  that are you suggesting he did? Question? I'm asking you
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  if you have any context you can share of why
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  either Epstein or Nickolitch believe that. Answer. I don't question.
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  You've already acknowledged that you engaged in infidelity. Have you
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  discussed one of the one of the two women that
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  you've acknowledged, who's the second woman? Answer? Her name is
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  Karima Nigma Tulina. Mister Moran jumps in and I'll just
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  say as we go forward, you know, as you've seen,
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  mister Gates is here addressing obviously very sensitive topics with
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  the committee as they relate to Jeffrey Epstein. We know
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  that there's also a lot of public interest in the
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  details of these private affairs that aren't pertinent to Jeffrey Epstein,
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  who had no involvement in those other than learning about
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  them after the fact, And so mister Gates will probably
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  seek to decline to divulge details that are not related
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  to Jeffrey Epstein as is is right. But as you've
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  seen so far, he's here to answer the committee's questions,
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  and we appreciate the committee and that they've handled this sensitively.
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  Question where both of these women are Russian? Answer yes,
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  question again the draft email, which I understand you have
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  not seen, were first to sect with Russian girls. Just
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  for the record, how old were these women during the
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  time of your affairs? Answer? One was in her twenties,
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  one was in her thirties. Questions so there were both adults?
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  Answer yes, Emmer. We have another member joined, Can he
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  please announce himself for the record? Tim Burchett, Tennessee's second
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  district question, did you also engage in Again the email
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  refers to quote illicit triss with married women? Did you
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  have any other affairs besides these two women that we
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  just discussed. Answer. The only affairs that doctor Nikolic were
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  aware of were the two that we've discussed. Question, but
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  there were other extramarital affairs. Answer None with any connection
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  to Epstein that he became aware of or that he
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  had any connection too. Question how do you know that? Answer?
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  I guess I'll never know because he's dead. Question. So
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  that's the reason I'm asking about these other ones is
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  you've already testified today that you didn't know that these
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  two women did have any affiliation with Jeffrey Epstein, and
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  many of these details we've only since learned from the
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  Department of jo Release. So I do think additional context
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  about any other extra marital affairs, especially during the time
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  period you knew Jeffrey Epstein, are relevant to the committee's inquiry.
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  Mister Moran, with respect, I'm able to say that mister
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  Gates is in the best position to help the committee
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  understand what was connected to mister Epstein, and I think
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  he's done the best to do that. Question. So doctor
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  Nickolch knew of the two affairs with the two Russian women,
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  and that's it. Answer Yeah, Question, did you ever contract
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  a sexually transmitted infection during any of your extra marital affairs.
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  Answer no question, not needs to or any potential other ones.
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  Answer no question. Do you have any guests as to
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  why Doctor Nikolich or Jeffrey Epstein may have believed that
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  you did answer, and maybe they thought that was a
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  good way to blackmail someone. Question did you have a
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  scare of some kind and it turned out to not
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  be a sexually transmitted infection? Answer? I never had an STD. Question.
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  Did you ever unicate to doctor Nikolch that you were
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  worried that you might answer? It's possible I said something
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  like that, which later turned into the lie that I
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  actually had an STD. Question. Do you recall a specific discussion? Answer?
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  I do not question, but it's possible that you did
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  answer yes. Question and again, for the record, you did
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  not ask doctor Nikolch in his capacity as a doctor
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  or in any other capacity, to acquire drugs antibiotics of
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  any kind. Answer no, he was not a prescribing doctor. Question. Okay,
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  mister Higgins, I understand you have a couple questions you'd
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  like to ask. Now it's mister Higgins ask in the questions.
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  I have one question, mister Gates, You describe the relationship
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  as manipulation, betrayal, coercion, threat of blackmail, dishonesty. Doctor Nikolch
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  was your closest associate. We understand. Have you come to
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  believe that doctor Nikolicch conspired with Jeffrey Epstein prior to
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  your dinner meeting in twenty eleven and planned, to some
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  extent an effort to draw you into the Epstein web?
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  Has that come to be your perception of what happened? Gates?
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  I don't know what you mean by web. I have
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  said that Higgins cuts them off, the Epstein web of
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  deceitful manipulation and seeking power and leverage with people of
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  wealth and influence across the world. Gates? Can you restate
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  the question? Sounds very open ended? Higgins. The question is
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  have you come to believe in retrospect and in reading
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  these emails that have been revealed and some greatly surprise you,
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  as you said, and having gone through that relationship and
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  resisted efforts to draw you into more deeply social relationships,
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  resisted efforts by Epstein to coorus you into allowing him
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  into a deeper role with some things that you regretted
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  doing in life, have you come to see that doctor Nikolch.
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  Do you believe that doctor Nikolch conspired or met with
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  Epstein prior to your dinner meeting in twenty eleven and said,
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  I think maybe I can get I can get Bill
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  in front of you and maybe we can draw him in. Gates,
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  I don't believe that happened, Higgins. You don't believe that happened. Gates. No,
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  I don't think doctor Nikolic was part of a broad
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  set of things that you described. Higgins. Okay, that was
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  my only question. Emmer, we have another member join. Can
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  he please announce himself for the record. Congressman John Maguire
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  of Virginia's fifth District specter. Question, mister Gates, We're coming
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  up near the end of our hour, so I just
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  want to ask you a couple brief questions to follow
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  up on. So we've discussed the names of two women
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  that you had affairs with. You've already said that they
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  were both Russian. I believe in previous press statements other
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  public statements you described one as a bridge player and
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  the other as a nuclear scientist or something of the sort.
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  Is that fair answer? That's fair question? And so was Mela?
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  She was the bridge player. Is that correct? Answer? Mila
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  Antonova I met at a bridge tournament and she was
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  a serious bridge player. Question. And Karimo was a nuclear scientist?
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  Is that right? Answer? That is right? Question. You described
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  at least one instance of how doctor Nikolich was aware
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  of your infidelity, and it related to a meeting, a
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  meetup that you had in London. I believe you said,
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  was it the bridge player or was it the nuclear
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  scientists that you were meeting at the time? Answer? It
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  was a nuclear scientist. Question. Ha did doctor Nikolicch come
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  to learn of the bridge player? Answer? There was a
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  time after I finished dinner in California where the bridge
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  player was meeting me, and because I was delayed, Doctor
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  Nickolitch met her and stood with her, was with her
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  until I arrived. Questions, So, once doctor Nikolich became aware
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  of each of these two affairs, was this something? What
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  was the situation between the two of you? Was it
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  the kind of thing where you knew he knew, and
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  he knew that you knew he knew, but you didn't
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  talk about it. Did you talk about it openly or
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  was it just like both of you knew the situation
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  and chose not to talk about it. Answer, I don't
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  remember talking about it until you know, during the exit period.
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  As I said, there were the veiled delusions, and in
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  an email took that on very directly. Question again, we've
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  already discussed some of the potential for other extramarital affairs,
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  but just to be clear for the record, is your
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  testimony that you had no other romantic sexual relationships with
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  any woman associated with Jeffrey Epstein? Answer? That is right. Question?
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  And I asked you how you knew that, and you
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  said you can never really be sure. Is that your
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  testimony as well? Answer? No, I'm sorry, go back. Question.
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  I asked you how you knew that no other woman
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  you may have had sexual or romantic relations with had
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  any connection to Jeffrey Epstein. I asked you how you
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  were sure about that, and you said, well, you guess
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  you can't be sure. Is that right? Answer? I'm quite sure?
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  Question how answer you know? I think that Epstein, when
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  he was writing emails to himself, took every potential negative
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  thing he knew and some that are completely false, and
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  put those into a draft email to himself. And as
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  we see from the email release, the only specific things
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  he refers to are the affair with the nuclear scientist
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  and the affair with the bridge player, and so I
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  think in some weird way he discovered anything negative to
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  say about me. He would have seen them, or we
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  would have seen them in the emails that he sent
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  to himself. Mister Spector. Thank you very much. We can
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  go off record, mister Claire if I could. Before we
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  do that, I could just offer one thing for the
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  committee's benefit. This line of questioning has been about these
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  emails that Epstein sent to himself, and obviously there's a
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  lot of interest in how those things came about. In
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  the course of preparing for this hearing and working with
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  mister Gates, we did identify a situation where Epstein did
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  send an email to himself purporting to memorialize something that
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  mister Gates said, completely unrelated to this topic of affairs.
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  But we do see within hours of mister Epstein receiving
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  an email from mister Gates, Epstein drafting one of these
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  emails to himself, purporting to memorialize it and changing significantly
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  the substance of it. And so this might shed light,
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  and if the committee is interested, I'm happy to provide
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  those Bates numbers, and you know whether it's for today
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  or another time. We'd be happy to brief you on it,
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  but it seems relevant to the question of what mister
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  Epstein does when he drafts these emails to himself. The email,
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  the authentic one that mister Gates sent to Epstein, has
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  a Bates number, and then the email that Epstein to
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  Epstein comes from a few hours later, where he's purporting
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  to memorialize what mister Gates told him but changing the
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  substance of it is EFTA zero nine zero one nine
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  three six two eight three. So we leave that for
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  the committee's consideration. Mister spector, thank you. We can go
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  off record, all right. We're gonna wrap up right here too,
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  and in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're
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  gonna pick up where we left off. All the information
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  that goes with this episode can be found in the
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  description box.