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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 11-5-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Happy Thursday, everybody! Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show on
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  Speaker 1: ESPN 700.
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  Speaker 2: And 92.1 FM.
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  Speaker 1: Glad to be here with you. That is always the case.
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  Speaker 3: Fun show lined.
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  Speaker 4: Up today.
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  Speaker 5: 40 she is going to swing by and join us.
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  Speaker 5: Eric Weddle special week. He's going to be in town
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  Speaker 5: for the holy war. We'll have a little bit of
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  Speaker 5: fun with that. Dishing with dev QB. Number one from
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  Speaker 5: the university of Utah football team still undefeated rank number
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  Speaker 5: three in the AP poll, but more importantly in the
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  Speaker 5: college football playoff rankings. And we're just a couple days
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  Speaker 5: away from from the biggest of all the big games
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  Speaker 5: that this Utah football team and BYU have played.
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  Speaker 4: Against one another. Isn't that wild?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, some of you have been fans of one
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  Speaker 5: or both of these teams or one or the other
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  Speaker 5: of these teams for decades, 30, 40 years, family legacy, right?
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  Speaker 5: And In the year of our Lord, 2026, we have
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  Speaker 5: an opportunity to witness on Saturday morning potentially the greatest ever,
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  Speaker 5: most consequential, most important matchup between these two teams that.
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  Speaker 4: Has ever played out.
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  Speaker 5: We've looked at the stat comparisons, the blind stat comparisons,
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  Speaker 5: the not-so-blind stat comparisons. We're going to focus on that
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  Speaker 5: last one today, the most important position left to evaluate today.
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  Speaker 5: And we're going to do that even as the college
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  Speaker 5: football world with eyes on this game, finally paying the
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  Speaker 5: sort of attention that this game is due because of
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  Speaker 5: the top 10 rankings of both teams. There's rumor innuendo
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  Speaker 5: hearsay sourcing around one of the best players available to
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  Speaker 5: play in this game or is he available? Pete Thamel,
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  Speaker 5: who has really turned himself into, like, the guy when
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  Speaker 5: it comes to especially injury reporting and availability and things
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  Speaker 5: like that in college football.
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  Speaker 4: He's got a lot of great access to these coaches.
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  Speaker 5: His attachment to game day and ESPN, I think, has
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  Speaker 5: allowed him to have certain inroads, make certain inroads that
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  Speaker 5: maybe weren't available earlier in his career, although he's had
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  Speaker 5: an incredible career. But Pete Thamel leading the charge on
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  Speaker 5: the multiple sources saying that while the official injury report
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  Speaker 5: do deserve to have an advocate fighting for your rights
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  Speaker 5: and potentially recovering lost wages, damages for your pain and suffering,
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  Speaker 5: et cetera. The official injury reports, initial ones released for
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  Speaker 5: this game show that LJ Martin is listed as doubtful
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  Speaker 5: for Saturday. Now the doubtful to available swing is something
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  Speaker 5: that we have seen at the university of Utah as well.
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  Speaker 5: You saw that just last week with the Utes. You're
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  Speaker 5: going to probably see it again with BYU. I put
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  Speaker 5: a question out there on the poll about LJ Martin's
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  Speaker 5: availability specifically before we get into the quarterback stat discussion.
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  Speaker 5: Sources are reporting that LJ Martin is expected to dress
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  Speaker 5: and be available. And then the very next tweet in
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  Speaker 5: the report is he's not going to be 100%.
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  Speaker 4: Okay. No surprise.
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  Speaker 5: They're not going to be 100%. I was told he
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  Speaker 5: had something called a tight rope surgery. which is the newer, better,
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  Speaker 5: less invasive, less recovery-intensive version of when they used to
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  Speaker 5: put a screw between the tibia and fibula to keep
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  Speaker 5: the bones from separating further. High ankle sprains are one
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  Speaker 5: of the worst named injuries in all of sport. What
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  Speaker 5: a high ankle sprain is, is it's the two bones
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  Speaker 5: in your lower leg coming out of alignment with one another. They're,
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  Speaker 5: they're separating from one another. It's a really significant injury.
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  Speaker 4: We call it a sprain. And then we think it's
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  Speaker 4: like a twisted ankle. That's just a swelling problem.
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  Speaker 5: It's not, it's much more significant than that. And they
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  Speaker 5: used to sometimes put screws through one and keep them.
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  Speaker 5: Now they do this tight rope surgery where they put
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  Speaker 5: like a, like a string around it.
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  Speaker 4: Basically it's Malachi.
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  Speaker 5: Tony is going to be out this weekend for the
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  Speaker 5: Notre Dame game and, with, I believe, this exact same
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  Speaker 5: surgery on the schedule for Miami. And in the report
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  Speaker 5: about Malachi Toney, they point out it's a minimum four-week recovery.
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  Speaker 4: Now, I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: This is me projecting and guessing. I don't know 100%.
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  Speaker 5: that those two surgeries are the same. Obviously, everyone's body
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  Speaker 5: is a little bit different. The positions that these guys
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  Speaker 5: play are a little bit different, but both rely on speed, twitchiness, explosiveness.
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  Speaker 5: You could probably make an argument that LJ Martin, because
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  Speaker 5: he's got more weight on his body and more muscle mass,
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  Speaker 5: that I guess that could help with recovery faster. It
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  Speaker 5: could also make it a little bit harder for those
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  Speaker 5: tissues to be load ready by Saturday. He's also had
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  Speaker 5: longer to recover than four weeks, but if the reports are,
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  Speaker 5: he's going to play. And what we know about him
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  Speaker 5: is that he is an incredible competitor. He obviously wants
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  Speaker 5: to play emotionally. He's going to be devastated. If he
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  Speaker 5: can't play Kalani Satake and this in his staff will
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  Speaker 5: recognize the value of somebody like LJ Martin stepping into
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  Speaker 5: the lineup and and potentially being a contributor, that's going
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  Speaker 5: to boost everyone's confidence. And that matters in a game
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  Speaker 5: like this one. But what about the actual production? What
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  Speaker 5: about the actual impact on the game? The stuff that
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  Speaker 5: we can measure 8 7 7 3 5 3 0 700.
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  Speaker 5: I always like to hear from you on the phone
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  Speaker 5: line or the text line. Also on Twitter. The question
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  Speaker 5: is this if he's going to dress and be available,
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  Speaker 5: which is I think careful wording, it doesn't say he's
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  Speaker 5: going to play.
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  Speaker 4: It says he's going to dress and be available.
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  Speaker 5: You don't want to dress and be available if you're
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  Speaker 5: not playing, but it sends the message to the university
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  Speaker 5: of Utah that you better have something in the defensive
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  Speaker 5: game plan. You better be ready for LJ Martin to
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  Speaker 5: be on the field.
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  Speaker 4: What does it actually look like? I put it into
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  Speaker 4: four categories.
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  Speaker 5: Will in the actual game, will his impact be Many touches,
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  Speaker 5: like multiple touches, and he'll score at least one touchdown.
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  Speaker 5: Option number two, I put decent yardage, but no touchdown.
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  Speaker 5: So he's contributing, but not scoring. Option number three, mostly
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  Speaker 5: a decoy. We've seen teams do this. We've seen teams
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  Speaker 5: do this with running backs. We saw Utah do this
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  Speaker 5: with some of their great running backs who were banged up.
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  Speaker 5: I think there was at least one game last year
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  Speaker 5: where way Sean was so limited that he was more.
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  Speaker 4: Of a decoy than anything else.
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  Speaker 5: So right now that is getting the lion's share of
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  Speaker 5: the votes, by the way, decoy mostly.
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  Speaker 4: And then the last option is won't play. So 877-353-0700.
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  Speaker 5: If he plays, does he look like himself? Does he
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  Speaker 5: contribute to exactly what BYU is trying to do? Does
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  Speaker 5: he score a touchdown or more decent play, decent yardage,
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  Speaker 5: but no touchdown. And obviously touchdowns are what really matter
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  Speaker 5: in this game. Mostly decoy duty or he flat out
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  Speaker 5: won't play. You are not a doctor.
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  Speaker 4: I am not a doctor. If he did have the
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  Speaker 4: tight rope surgery, I.
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  Speaker 5: Was told that he had the recovery on that for
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  Speaker 5: a superhuman athlete.
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  Speaker 4: Like he is four to six weeks.
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  Speaker 5: The recovery for a 43 year old dad bod is
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  Speaker 5: three to six months is what it's, what it says
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  Speaker 5: in all the medical journal type stuff. And of course
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  Speaker 5: there's a big difference between being able to walk comfortably
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  Speaker 5: and being able to play college football against an excellent
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  Speaker 5: run defense and and to break tackles and to have
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  Speaker 5: breakaway speed. If you get the edge and all these
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  Speaker 5: things that running backs are supposed to be able to
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  Speaker 5: do this, this is unfortunately in a lot of ways,
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  Speaker 5: a really lost season for LJ Martin, although he's going
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  Speaker 5: to be back before the end of it.
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  Speaker 4: And BYU has got everything to play for.
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  Speaker 5: The decision made about him playing or not contributing or not,
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  Speaker 5: how many touches he gets is going to be not
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  Speaker 5: only huge for this game, which is the game, but
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  Speaker 5: it's going to be huge for whether or not. BYU
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  Speaker 5: gets to use him the way they want to. If
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  Speaker 5: they make it to a college football playoff, if they
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  Speaker 5: make it to a conference championship game, if they want
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  Speaker 5: to finish out the season strong and make sure that
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  Speaker 5: they get to one of those two games or two
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  Speaker 5: places that are obviously the goal for everybody in the
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  Speaker 5: big 12 conference, that's still in the, in the running,
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  Speaker 5: because you could very easily say, empty the clip, right?
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  Speaker 5: To use a crude analogy, you could fire all the
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  Speaker 5: LJ Martin bullets on Saturday. And if you overuse him,
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  Speaker 5: if he's not quite ready, if he re injures it,
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  Speaker 5: And then he's substandard for the rest of the season.
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  Speaker 5: You beat Utah potentially with him. But how bad does
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  Speaker 5: it hurt you to not have him available the rest
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  Speaker 5: of the way? And by the way, they beat Notre
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  Speaker 5: Dame without him. So maybe the most important point to
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  Speaker 5: make here is that if you're the University of Utah
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  Speaker 5: and you see LJ Martin's name on the injury report.
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  Speaker 4: As doubtful, you can't get excited. You can't be like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: we're good then.
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  Speaker 5: This BYU football team beat Notre Dame without LJ Martin.
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  Speaker 5: And in that one, everybody knew he wasn't going to play.
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  Speaker 5: There was no decoy status. There was no anything. It
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  Speaker 5: was just like, we don't have him. We have to
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  Speaker 5: make it work without him. The best player on the
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  Speaker 5: BYU football team is LJ Martin. They beat Notre Dame
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  Speaker 5: without him. So if you're a Utah fan, if you're
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  Speaker 5: a Utah player, You say, put him in the lineup.
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  Speaker 4: We'll still beat BYU. Oh, he's not in the lineup.
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  Speaker 4: Doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 5: We're still going to play our best ball and we'll
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  Speaker 5: have to find a way to beat BYU, but you
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  Speaker 5: can't be excited and gleeful. And, oh, we don't have
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  Speaker 5: to worry about stopping the run. Then if there's no
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  Speaker 5: LJ Martin, because there's a, I think bear Bachmeier is
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  Speaker 5: listed at about 245 pounds. He's probably like two 60
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  Speaker 5: kid is an absolute horse. And he runs the ball.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe not as explosively, but just as effectively as the
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  Speaker 5: much more athletic LJ Martin.
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  Speaker 2: 877-353-0700.
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  Speaker 5: What do you think the impact will be? Just one
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  Speaker 5: couple of thoughts on what you're talking about here, OC.
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  Speaker 5: One is you talk too much. I couldn't play the
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  Speaker 5: Austin Ainge. Won't see that this year when I caught
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  Speaker 5: you saying BYU. You beat Utah, potentially, if you're BYU. Anyway,
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  Speaker 5: we'll try that another time.
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  Speaker 6: Another thought is Morgan Scali in his weekly press conference
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  Speaker 6: in the post-game interview with Bill Riley and Sly and
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  Speaker 6: Zach Moss, he was careful to say this is not
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  Speaker 6: the game. This is a game, right? And I bring
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  Speaker 6: that up to say that's not how anyone else talks
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  Speaker 6: about it, right? Outside of both of those locker rooms,
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  Speaker 6: outside of both of the BYU and Utah's football programs
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  Speaker 6: here in the state of Utah especially, this is the game.
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  Speaker 6: The other thing, and you said it as much in
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  Speaker 6: your opening rant right there, too, O.C. So it's super important, obviously,
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  Speaker 6: but on the other side of it, the reason why
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  Speaker 6: internally these two programs and Morgan Scali publicly is saying
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  Speaker 6: how we are looking at it is this is the
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  Speaker 6: next game. This is a game on the schedule and
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  Speaker 6: not the big game on the schedule is because Exactly
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  Speaker 6: what you said about if BYU has LJ Martin play
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  Speaker 6: and features him as the feature running back, the way
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  Speaker 6: that they did all last year, the way that they
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  Speaker 6: did this year before he got hurt, and then he's
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  Speaker 6: limited the rest of the game, then the rest of
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  Speaker 6: the season, or he's out for the rest of the season,
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  Speaker 6: worst case scenario, then you just emptied the clip completely.
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  Speaker 6: for a game instead of the game, but here's an
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  Speaker 6: interesting way to look at it.
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  Speaker 5: That is an interesting way to look at it, but
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  Speaker 5: it's the wrong way to look at it. It's not
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  Speaker 5: a game and it's, it's especially not a game for
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  Speaker 5: BYU because you look at their initial ranking in the
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  Speaker 5: college football playoff rankings and BYU came in at number
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  Speaker 5: nine in the CFP rankings, right? BYU probably doesn't get
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  Speaker 5: into the conference championship game. If they lose to Utah,
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  Speaker 5: like whatever happens in the final three weeks would influence that.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, crazier things have happened.
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  Speaker 6: Particularly Utah has a really tough game next week against
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  Speaker 6: Arizona BYU, less tough of a schedule.
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  Speaker 5: But if you lose, if you're at BYU, you lose
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  Speaker 5: to Utah. And we all think that that's, what's going
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  Speaker 5: to happen on Saturday morning. You lose to Utah. You
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  Speaker 5: go blow out Baylor, you blow out Kansas, you blow
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  Speaker 5: out Cincinnati to finish the season. You're not getting into
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  Speaker 5: the Big 12 championship game probably, right? So now you're
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  Speaker 5: a two-loss BYU team. You're a two-loss Big 12 team.
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  Speaker 5: And let's just play this out. Let's just string this out.
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  Speaker 5: Utah wins on Saturday. And let's be realists. Let's not
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  Speaker 5: expect Utah to finish the season undefeated. Let's say Utah
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  Speaker 5: beats BYU on Saturday. Then they stub their toe the
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  Speaker 5: following week against Arizona, right? We'll complain about it. We'll
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  Speaker 5: Nash and moan. We'll cry, but it'll feel terrible for Utah.
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  Speaker 5: Utah will still have the inside track to a big
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  Speaker 5: 12 championship game. They'll have the necessary tie breakers. in
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  Speaker 5: every case except Arizona.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 5: And the most likely scenario there is that, that Utah
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  Speaker 5: then wins out and plays against probably Texas tech.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Revenge game from last season for a big 12 championship game.
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  Speaker 5: So then in that case, you have a one loss
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  Speaker 5: kind of regular season champion versus a one loss, regular
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  Speaker 5: season champion type team in Texas.
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  Speaker 4: Tech or Utah. And the winner of that game gets
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  Speaker 4: the automatic bid.
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  Speaker 5: The loser of that game still has a pretty strong case,
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  Speaker 5: especially if you're Utah, right? Because you will have beaten Houston.
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  Speaker 5: You will have beaten BYU. You will have beaten in
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  Speaker 5: this imaginary scenario, right? If you're BYU and you're a
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  Speaker 5: two loss team, if you're a two loss, big 12 team,
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  Speaker 5: you would be reliant on that Notre Dame win And
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  Speaker 5: basically what you're relying on is Notre Dame beating Miami
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  Speaker 5: this weekend.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Because that would strengthen the value of your Notre Dame
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  Speaker 5: win so aggressively that people would be like, all right, well,
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  Speaker 5: they've got two losses, but the one loss is to
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  Speaker 5: Notre Dame and Notre Dame might be the best team
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  Speaker 5: in the country.
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  Speaker 4: And Excuse me. They beat Notre Dame. One loss is
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  Speaker 4: to Utah.
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  Speaker 5: The one loss is to Utah and Utah's our top
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  Speaker 5: five team, right? They would, they beat Notre Dame. They
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  Speaker 5: got one loss to a top five, top six.
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  Speaker 4: Team in Utah.
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  Speaker 5: And then they've got this unexplainable ad that sucks. You
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  Speaker 5: lost to UCF, but like Georgia has a loss. They
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  Speaker 5: can't explain. Texas is being treated kindly in the rankings
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  Speaker 5: with a couple of losses that nobody wants to admit to.
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 5: So if you're BYU and and you don't win on Saturday,
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  Speaker 5: your access to the college football playoff, the percentages are
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  Speaker 5: still there, but it becomes a lot, lot, lot more difficult.
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  Speaker 5: And you become reliant on Notre Dame beating Miami. And
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  Speaker 5: more importantly, you become reliant on a committee of people
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  Speaker 5: who for their entire existence, which admittedly isn't that long
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  Speaker 5: has wagged a finger at the big 12 conference and said,
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  Speaker 5: you are not the same.
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  Speaker 4: As the big 10. You are not the same as
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  Speaker 4: the big 12.
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  Speaker 5: And guess what? You're not even the same as like
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  Speaker 5: a couple of the big brands in the ACC big 12.
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  Speaker 5: You are a one bid league is what they've said
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  Speaker 5: for years. And BYU would have to be reliant on
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  Speaker 5: if they lose to Utah, they'd have to be reliant
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  Speaker 5: on the idea that this year's committee is going to
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  Speaker 5: buck that trend. And I don't think they would more
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  Speaker 5: importantly for us on the Utah front, right? Utah controlling
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  Speaker 5: its own destiny could push BYU out of a college
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  Speaker 5: football playoff discussion with a win on Saturday for all
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  Speaker 5: intents and purposes.
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  Speaker 4: There's still a backdoor path for BYU, but it's unlikely, right?
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  Speaker 5: As long as you take care of business the rest
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  Speaker 5: of the way, it's unlikely that BYU can make up
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  Speaker 5: the ground because their wiggle room went away with the
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  Speaker 5: UCF loss. If they were still undefeated and Utah was undefeated,
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  Speaker 5: the loser of this game could still Pat themselves on
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  Speaker 5: the back. No, not so much do that. But there
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  Speaker 5: would still be a rallying cry. Finish it out. We
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  Speaker 5: can play him again in the conference championship game.
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  Speaker 4: Finish it out.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe we'll see him again in the college football playoff.
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  Speaker 5: BYU's wiggle room is gone here. And knowing that Kalani
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  Speaker 5: Satake and his staff, and more importantly, LJ Martin himself,
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  Speaker 5: have to make a decision about whether or not this
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  Speaker 5: particular game is worth expending it all.
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  Speaker 4: And I think it kind of is.
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  Speaker 5: You have been backed into a corner with the UCF
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  Speaker 5: laws that none of us thought you'd be in. All
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  Speaker 5: of us on paper before the season said the loss
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  Speaker 5: is going to come to Notre Dame and that's not
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  Speaker 5: even going to be counted as a loss.
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  Speaker 4: That's how it would have been treated.
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  Speaker 5: LJ Martin and the coaches that are in support of
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  Speaker 5: him have to make a decision about whether And James,
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  Speaker 5: you're absolutely right. The coaches will sit there and they
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  Speaker 5: will say, no, it's not, it's not the game. It's
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  Speaker 5: just a game.
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  Speaker 4: No, it isn't. And they have to say that.
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  Speaker 5: And I don't, I'm not mad at them for saying
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  Speaker 5: it because they, the incorrect thing to do when you're
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: dealing with 18 to 22 year old, young man is saying,
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: this one is the one we had circled all year guys.
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: And everything comes down to this.
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: So make sure that you carry that weight all week
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: and that you have that in your mind at these practices.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: And that when you wake up at 6 AM on
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: Saturday morning, you're already sweating over the idea that it
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: all boils down to this. I have to do the
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: opposite as a coach. I have to say, nope, this
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: is one to 12. They're a really good team. But
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: like the only time that it's okay for Morgan Scali
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: and Kalani Satake to acknowledge just how massive this game
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: is for both of their teams is when they're about
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: to run out for kickoff. And then you can open
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: the floodgates and you can say, now feel it.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: Now know it.
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: Now understand that the blood in your veins will be
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: shed today to do everything you can to beat those
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: guys across from you. And there is no tomorrow. If
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: you're BYU, there really isn't. If you're Utah, this season,
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: there's a tomorrow. But in the big picture, the grand
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: scope of things, the, oh, this would be four in
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: a row. Oh, the in-state recruits that are all here
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: watching the 50 guys on the sideline. We can't get
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: over the hump against our rival. There kind of isn't
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: in the long term, in the long form, in the
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: zoomed out perspective, there is no tomorrow for this. The
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: holy war, the most consequential, most important holy war game
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: ever is not another game.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: It is the game.
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: And LJ Martin has to make a decision about whether
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: or not he's going to play and whether he's not,
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: he's really going to redline it. foot on the gas pedal.
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: He might actually have to be protected from himself. And
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: that is still a complicated decision. If you're Aaron Roderick
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: and you're Kalani Satake, I know these guys decently. Well,
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: I feel they actually genuinely care about their players.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: They do. There's no disputing that.
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: Do you care about your players, your individual player more.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: Than you care about the other a hundred guys on
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: the team?
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: More than you care about this game, knowing exactly what
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: it is. Not saying what it is, because what you
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: say it is is not what it actually is, but
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: knowing what it actually means. Are you willing to put
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: it out there to say, you know what, ma'am? If
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: your lower leg has to be the sacrificial lamb against Utah,
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: and that means that we got to keep it together
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: the rest of the way with duct tape and glue.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: We still have, we have to get this one.
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: I remember years ago in this very studio, shout out
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: my guy, Brian Sweeney, Brian Sweeney and I, were sitting here,
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: and he's a big Dodger fan, right? And the Dodgers
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: at that point were going in. It was a playoff series,
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: and Clayton Kershaw, they were making a decision about whether
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: or not Clayton Kershaw was going to pitch in the
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: elimination game, I think it was five, or maybe it
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: was six. He was going to pitch in the elimination
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: game in game six, or they were going to save
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: him for game seven. That's this scenario. There is no tomorrow.
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: There is no game seven if you don't win tomorrow.
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: the Holy war. If you're BYU, there is no, let's
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: save him for Cincinnati. I think that BYU is going
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: to do every, I think, I think we're going to
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: squeeze every last drop out of LJ Martin in this game.
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: And I think, and I think, I think LJ Martin
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: is going to welcome that. Now there's also a very
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: real possibility that we have to acknowledge here that LJ
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: Martin being talked about.
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: His eyes, not going to be a hundred percent.
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: Is factually accurate, but in principle is only barely true.
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: And that LJ Martin is going to be 90%, right?
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: That is a very real possibility. We have seen borderline.
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: Miracles in recovery now with modern surgical techniques, with peptides,
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: with human growth hormone, with all the stuff that is
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  Speaker 5: available to people legal or not to get their bodies
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: to heal rapidly. He might be 90% LJ Martin. He
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: might be 91%. He might be 88% LJ Martin.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: And guess what? That's still a big problem that you
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: have to deal with. But if I'm.
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: LJ Martin, I'm walking into that coach's office and I'm
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: sitting there going, Hey, how you feeling?
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: And I'm going, I feel great. Even if it's not true,
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: I feel great. Okay. So you want to go?
• 24:20
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: How many carries you want this game? I want 24 touches.
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: I want you to ride this till the end.
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: And the idea that someone is going to make that
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: sacrifice for their team is actually kind of a foreign
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: concept in college football these days, but not down there,
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: not at BYU, not up on the Hill at Utah.
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: We watched Devin Dampier do this every week last year
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: for the Utah football team. He was dealing with injuries
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: that needed surgery. hernias, groin problem. He was, he was
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: dealing with stuff that you and I would have a
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: hard time getting out of bed with. And he was
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: playing college football and he was listening by the way,
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: to all the criticism coming his way for him, not
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: being what we thought he was as a runner, him
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: not being as explosive as he needed to be him
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: not being, you know, having a firm platform to throw
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: from and not having enough arm strength. He listened to
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: all that stuff and he just nodded his head and said, yeah,
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: I'm going to play for my team.
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: LJ Martin ain't going to be a decoy, ladies and gentlemen.
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: He's playing. He's going to play as hard as he
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: possibly can.
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: If there's anything close to the physical ability to actually run,
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: they're going to put the ball in his hands and
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: see what happens. Now, that could be disastrous, but that's
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: what's going to happen, in my opinion.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: 877-353-0700.
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: 8193 says decoy not worth it why potentially impact your
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: NFL career if there's a long term injury well I
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: don't know if there is first of all I don't
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: know if like high ankle sprain is one of those
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: things that then becomes like a chronic problem I genuinely
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: don't know I'm not telling you it isn't but the
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: oh well I don't want to risk my NFL career
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: is obviously something that people have to consider but These
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: guys want to win with their teammates now. And by
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: the way, LJ Martin is getting paid right now. So that,
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: I think, factors in a little bit. I don't know
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: how much. I genuinely don't know how much. This is
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: from Nathan on the text line. Hey, Sean, misspelled. It's S-E-A-N, guys.
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: Get it right.
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: I think even with LJ Martin, Bear Bachmeier is their
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: most effective rushing weapon, especially in the red zone. Can
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: you try to commit to the QB in the run game?
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: Bear has 336 yards rushing and seven TDs this year.
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: He always falls forward when he gets hit. My question
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: really is, can Utah try to take that away and
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: really force him to win with his arm on the
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: road early in the morning? Would love to see Cyrus
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: Polo make him go backwards. We would all love to
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: see Bear Bachmeier for once fall backwards, right? And I
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: think that probably is Colton Swan's defensive game plan. You
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: are not going to run all over us. Beat us
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: with your arm. Force a couple of throws into tight windows.
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: You know you got the arm strength to do it.
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: Go ahead and do it.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: Bear Bachmeier is, I think.
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: Their most effective rushing weapon, especially in the red zone.
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: I agree with that, Nathan. He is not their most
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: explosive rushing weapon.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: He is.
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: not as fast as LJ Martin. He is not as
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: adept in open spaces. LJ Martin. He does fall forward.
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: He doesn't have the average that LJ Martin does. But
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: the real thing we're talking about here is, do you
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: have to deal with one of those things or do
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: you have to deal with both of those things? Because
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: that like, neither are fun to have to deal with.
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: It's like, if you're Kalani Satake, if you're in Roderick
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: right now, Hey coach, it's third and two. Would you
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: like a double scoop of chocolate ice cream or a
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: double scoop of vanilla ice cream? Well, coach, I really
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: don't care. I love ice cream either way.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know.
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: For the Utah defense, BYU lining up on third and
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: two with LJ Martin in the backfield and Bear Bachmeier
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: in the backfield. They're saying, all right, do I want
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: a tetanus shot or do I want a cavity drilled?
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: Because you got to deal with both of those things.
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: Neither are fun to have to deal with. But if
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: only one is out there, if it's just bear, you say, man,
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: that's still a problem.
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: But you know what?
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: I can deal with getting this cavity handled today because
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: I don't have to worry about the tetanus shot. Also, that's,
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: that's the whole thing here. That's this whole discussion. Do
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: you have to deal with one big problem in BYU
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: is running attack, or do you have to deal with
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: two big problems in BYU is running attack? I think
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: they're going to try to make it look like you've
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: got to deal with two, and I think that if
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: he's out there, he's touching the ball.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: That's my thought process. I'd love to know yours. 877-353-0700.
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  Speaker 3: Peace out.
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  Speaker 7: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
• 30:30
  Speaker 7: Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiesa. He's forgotten more about the
• 30:33
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  Speaker 3: Let's not get crazy.
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  Speaker 5: Gordy Chiesa time here on the Sean O'Connell Show. Gordy
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  Speaker 4: Welcome to the show once again. Gordie, how are you, sir?
• 30:58
  Speaker 9: Sean, I'm doing well. Thank you.
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: One and seven now, this Utah Jazz team. A road
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: loss to the Pelicans.
• 31:05
  Speaker 10: 113-120.
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: Keontae George with 39 points, but obviously defensive issues again
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: causing the Jazz to give up more than they scored.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: What'd you see?
• 31:19
  Speaker 9: I saw a whole bunch of fouling. So an overtime
• 31:22
  Speaker 9: game The Jazz last night, we had a difficult time
• 31:27
  Speaker 9: of ball containing. Usually it's the guys on the perimeter,
• 31:30
  Speaker 9: but in this case, it was the perimeter guys who
• 31:32
  Speaker 9: were the big guys. And so the Jazz, which means
• 31:35
  Speaker 9: that you're one in the stance and that you didn't
• 31:39
  Speaker 9: have a really sound technique. So I call it hacking
• 31:43
  Speaker 9: and whacking. where you just body the guy and you
• 31:46
  Speaker 9: rack down at the ball and you hack at it.
• 31:48
  Speaker 9: So the Pelicans, Sean, they shoot 43 free throws and
• 31:53
  Speaker 9: make 39 for 91% from the line. The Jazz shoot
• 31:57
  Speaker 9: 23 throws and miss 10 to 67%. So the Jazz
• 32:02
  Speaker 9: were outscored in last night's game by 19 points and
• 32:05
  Speaker 9: a foul line in an overtime game. So that tells
• 32:08
  Speaker 9: us that The defense was aggressive, but overly aggressive, and
• 32:14
  Speaker 9: that awful word called lack of discipline as far as
• 32:17
  Speaker 9: a technique. Magnify that. Jazz have 20 turnovers in an
• 32:21
  Speaker 9: overtime game. So it was a winnable game. The Pelicans,
• 32:26
  Speaker 9: to their credit, they fought back. The Pelicans outscored the
• 32:29
  Speaker 9: Jazz defensively. In the fourth quarter and the overtime, they
• 32:34
  Speaker 9: really played well. They outscored the Jazz 50-33 for a
• 32:39
  Speaker 9: 17-point differential. That's a mess. And so the ability to
• 32:43
  Speaker 9: guard the ball and to have discipline and action, and
• 32:47
  Speaker 9: that's what the Jazz lacked last night. It was a
• 32:48
  Speaker 9: winnable game. Unfortunately, they lost.
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: Tomorrow, it's the Dallas Mavericks. Again, a road game for
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: this Utah Jazz team.
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: What do you expect? Mavericks are young. But they're 4-4
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: to the Jazz's 1-7.
• 33:02
  Speaker 9: And last night they lost an absolutely unbelievable killer game
• 33:07
  Speaker 9: to San Antonio Spurs, 1-12, 1-11. So they've lost two
• 33:11
  Speaker 9: in a row. Let's not forget they're coached by the
• 33:14
  Speaker 9: winning NCAA championship coach, Dusty May. So it's kind of
• 33:17
  Speaker 9: neat that he's there right now. And he's coaching an
• 33:21
  Speaker 9: unbelievable talent, Cooper Flagg. So again... The Jazz have a
• 33:27
  Speaker 9: lot of young players, but so do the other teams,
• 33:30
  Speaker 9: including Kamara and his opponent, the Mavericks. Cooper turns 20
• 33:35
  Speaker 9: years old on December 21st of this year. All right,
• 33:39
  Speaker 9: so he's having 24.3 points per game. He always gets
• 33:42
  Speaker 9: to the foul line. He only shoots in three-point range, 21.7%.
• 33:47
  Speaker 9: He's 7-33 for the season. All right, so whoever's guarding
• 33:51
  Speaker 9: him in a game, whether it's Okoji, whether it's switch defense,
• 33:54
  Speaker 9: whether it's Larry Malkin, you've got to give him some space.
• 33:57
  Speaker 9: In other words, make him be a doubt jump shooter
• 34:00
  Speaker 9: versus get up into him and then make him a driver,
• 34:04
  Speaker 9: and that's what he excels at. So you have to
• 34:06
  Speaker 9: adjust your stance. You have to slightly adjust your mentality,
• 34:10
  Speaker 9: and don't overreact if he makes two straight three-point shots
• 34:13
  Speaker 9: on you because what you want to do is stick
• 34:16
  Speaker 9: to your principles of playing. Next point about that, Kyrie Irving.
• 34:20
  Speaker 9: He's a driver, so you've got to do the opposite then.
• 34:23
  Speaker 9: You've got to play off him and, again, also make
• 34:26
  Speaker 9: him shoot jump shots over the top, but it's discipline. Ironically, Sean,
• 34:31
  Speaker 9: how amazing is this? Walter Clayton, who the Jazz traded
• 34:36
  Speaker 9: at the trading deadline last season, went to the Grizzlies.
• 34:39
  Speaker 9: The Grizzlies waived him. He goes to the Dallas Mavericks,
• 34:43
  Speaker 9: and now he's on a two-way contract, but he's the
• 34:46
  Speaker 9: backup point guard, and a lot of times they play
• 34:48
  Speaker 9: him and Kyrie together in a game. So the jazz
• 34:52
  Speaker 9: are going to see someone they played under a team and, um,
• 34:56
  Speaker 9: Walter Clayton shooting from three point range, 52.6 from threes.
• 35:01
  Speaker 9: So we sort of found a home, even though it
• 35:03
  Speaker 9: bounced around. So how do you win this game tomorrow night?
• 35:06
  Speaker 9: Less turnovers, less fouling, and just have that unbelievable grit.
• 35:10
  Speaker 9: The jazz got to find some more scorers though. So
• 35:13
  Speaker 9: the last night's game, they went into this, um, exclusive
• 35:17
  Speaker 9: one was pick and roll, pick and pop Larry marketing. And, uh,
• 35:20
  Speaker 9: and Keontae George, it was successful. Then they trapped the defense,
• 35:24
  Speaker 9: trapped the Pelicans, and everyone else was not involved. So
• 35:28
  Speaker 9: it's that sweet spot where you go to your star
• 35:30
  Speaker 9: players or your standouts, but you have to have other
• 35:33
  Speaker 9: scoring from other people to get a defense on it.
• 35:35
  Speaker 9: It should be a good game.
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: Gordy, Victor Wiminyama went off last night in post-game. He said, yeah,
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: there's going to be a lot more of this. He
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: can say anything he wants. He can say the cockiest
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: thing in the world, and I'm just going to believe him.
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: I don't think it came off as overly cocky, but
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: for someone like him to continue to reach new milestones
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: in his own career, I guess we just have to
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: expect it.
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: What did you think of his performance?
• 36:04
  Speaker 8: Amazing.
• 36:06
  Speaker 9: One for the ages. For listeners, here's what he did
• 36:09
  Speaker 9: last night. He scored 52 points in the game. 52 points, career-high,
• 36:16
  Speaker 9: 24 rebounds, career-high, 8 blocks and 2 steals. But here's
• 36:20
  Speaker 9: the thing about it. He had 29 points and 15
• 36:23
  Speaker 9: rebounds and 5 blocks at halftime. And it took his
• 36:27
  Speaker 9: brilliance of all this thing to beat the Mavericks I
• 36:30
  Speaker 9: mentioned earlier, from the Mavericks' point of view, 1-12, 1-11.
• 36:34
  Speaker 9: And so the last five games, Victor's averaging 34.4 points
• 36:38
  Speaker 9: per game, 13.2 rebounds, and 4.8 blocks. And so that
• 36:43
  Speaker 9: was the franchise best ever of a 50-point game and
• 36:49
  Speaker 9: 20 rebounds in Spurs history. So we're talking David Robinson
• 36:54
  Speaker 9: and Tim Duncan. So again, let's talk about age group.
• 36:57
  Speaker 9: So as the jazz fans always talk about the young, young,
• 37:01
  Speaker 9: talented players. And yes, they are being Darren Pearson and
• 37:04
  Speaker 9: Ace Bailey, Victor and beyond, but he turns 23 on
• 37:08
  Speaker 9: January 4th, 2027. So in jazz basketball, it's great to
• 37:13
  Speaker 9: jazz more importantly in jazz basketball, that you have to
• 37:15
  Speaker 9: figure out how to guard these guys for the next generation,
• 37:19
  Speaker 9: whether it's, by committee, whether it's one-on-one standout, whether it's
• 37:24
  Speaker 9: by positional, whether it's zone defense, but you've got to
• 37:27
  Speaker 9: figure out how to slow down the star players. So
• 37:30
  Speaker 9: with Victor right now, he is a generational talent, and
• 37:35
  Speaker 9: the Spurs are very fortunate to have him. The Spurs
• 37:37
  Speaker 9: right now, they're 6-2, they're tied with the Thunder and
• 37:40
  Speaker 9: the Grizzlies on top of the Western Conference team. Sean
• 37:44
  Speaker 9: is a trailblazer. You know, it's interesting. I mentioned about
• 37:47
  Speaker 9: baseball the other day, World Series, Milwaukee Brewers. If you
• 37:51
  Speaker 9: would have said to us, including me, last summer, Sean,
• 37:53
  Speaker 9: back in the dog days of July and early August,
• 37:56
  Speaker 9: who beat first place, uh, first place, uh, in early November,
• 38:02
  Speaker 9: we would never say what the trail base is six
• 38:04
  Speaker 9: and one good for them.
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: Well, I asked you the question about, Hey, who's which
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: NBA team is most likely to win their first ever championship.
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: Like the Brewers did. I don't know that Portland was
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: on that list.
• 38:15
  Speaker 9: Well, Portland won one back in 1977, Sean, when they
• 38:19
  Speaker 9: had a, when they had Bill Walton.
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 38:24
  Speaker 9: And so they had it.
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: That's why they're not on the list, ladies and gentlemen,
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: because they already won one. That makes sense.
• 38:29
  Speaker 9: But the point about it is that they haven't been recently,
• 38:33
  Speaker 9: and they've been disarrayed. Again, to their credit, though. And remember,
• 38:37
  Speaker 9: this is weird seeing it, that their coach has a
• 38:40
  Speaker 9: one-year contract, Mike Onora. So it's like the whole thing
• 38:44
  Speaker 9: is sort of bizarre. But to the players' credit, led
• 38:49
  Speaker 9: by Dame Lillard and Denny Aviar, they're saying, who cares?
• 38:53
  Speaker 9: We want to play. And we like our coach's one-year contract.
• 38:57
  Speaker 9: How dare you do that to him? We're going to prove...
• 38:59
  Speaker 9: that he's well worthy of it, et cetera, et cetera. So, again,
• 39:02
  Speaker 9: it's almost like bending together by everybody because they respect
• 39:08
  Speaker 9: their coach and they want to show everybody that they're
• 39:10
  Speaker 9: as good as everyone else in the West. We're going
• 39:12
  Speaker 9: to find out. So far, early results, very positive.
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: Gordy, what's your list today?
• 39:18
  Speaker 9: All right, so my list today is, Cooper Flagg, Duke University.
• 39:23
  Speaker 9: Last night, Zion Williams, Duke University. So this is our
• 39:27
  Speaker 9: annual list of former Duke University players. that are currently
• 39:31
  Speaker 9: in the NBA so as of right now this morning
• 39:35
  Speaker 9: How many Dukies are in the NBA? They're tied with
• 39:38
  Speaker 9: the Kentucky Wildcats. For the most players in the NBA
• 39:42
  Speaker 9: roster this season, they're tied with 26 players from Duke
• 39:47
  Speaker 9: are in the NBA and 26 from Kentucky. Quickly, Kentucky,
• 39:53
  Speaker 9: John Calipari, the coach, Mark Pope, for the Duke Blue Devils,
• 39:56
  Speaker 9: Coach K, and John Shire. Here we go. Here's the list.
• 40:00
  Speaker 9: Charlotte Hornets, three players, Grayson Allen, Seon James, and Conn Knipple. Dallas,
• 40:05
  Speaker 9: three players. Tomorrow night, Cooper Flagg, Kyrie Irving, and Derek Lively,
• 40:10
  Speaker 9: who's hurt right now, hasn't played a minute this year
• 40:12
  Speaker 9: so far. Phoenix Suns, three. Luke Cunard, Common Malawach, Mark Williams, Denver, two.
• 40:20
  Speaker 9: Marvin Bagley, Tyus Jones, Orlando, two. Powell, Vankaro, and Wendell Carter. Atlanta, one.
• 40:32
  Speaker 9: Jalen Johnson, Boston, One, Jason Tatum. Chicago, one. Trey Jones. Cleveland, one.
• 40:40
  Speaker 9: Therese Proctor. Clippers, one. Brandon Ingram. Memphis, one. Cam Boozer.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Milwaukee, one.
• 40:47
  Speaker 9: Gary Trent. Minnesota, one. Isaiah Evans. New Orleans, one. Zion Williamson. Thunder, one.
• 40:56
  Speaker 9: Jared McCain. San Antonio, one. Malik Brown. Toronto, one. R.J.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Barrett.
• 41:01
  Speaker 9: And Utah, one. Kyle Filipowski. And Sean, did you know
• 41:06
  Speaker 9: that Adam Silver, the commissioner of the NBA, is also
• 41:10
  Speaker 9: a Duke graduate, the class of 1984? And I know, Sean,
• 41:14
  Speaker 9: that I know you're a political junkie, that all the
• 41:17
  Speaker 9: Carolina fans, when they play against Duke, they keep reminding
• 41:20
  Speaker 9: everybody that Richard Nixon was a graduate of Duke Law School,
• 41:23
  Speaker 9: in case you're wondering.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: I did not wonder, but it makes sense.
• 41:28
  Speaker 9: Yeah, Duke Law School. What about the Utes? Forget about
• 41:31
  Speaker 9: Duke University. There's four players from Utah, University of Utah,
• 41:36
  Speaker 9: basketball that are in the NBA as we speak. Kyle
• 41:39
  Speaker 9: Kuzma of the Bucs, Lawson Levering of the Lakers, Brandon
• 41:44
  Speaker 9: Carlson of the Trailblazers, and Jaco Purtle of the Raptors.
• 41:49
  Speaker 9: So you'd have four guys in the NBA, hopefully to
• 41:51
  Speaker 9: get a one relatively soon. BYU, we know about those guys.
• 41:55
  Speaker 9: They have two guys in the NBA as you speak.
• 41:58
  Speaker 9: Yeager Damon of the Nets and Adrian Deboxer of the Wizards.
• 42:02
  Speaker 9: So it's Duke basketball. They might have a few more
• 42:06
  Speaker 9: guys this year in the draft. And they got it
• 42:08
  Speaker 9: rolling based on superior coaching, great location, wonderful school, and
• 42:13
  Speaker 9: also NIL money.
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: Changing the landscape for everyone, but not for Duke. They've
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: always been good.
• 42:21
  Speaker 9: Yeah, they've been good for the Giants since 19. They
• 42:24
  Speaker 9: went to three Final Fours back in the 60s, so
• 42:26
  Speaker 9: they've been good literally for, the math's right, 60-something years.
• 42:30
  Speaker 9: And they're a basketball power, and that's what you want
• 42:33
  Speaker 9: to try to do is be consistent through all the
• 42:36
  Speaker 9: ups and downs of all the different changes in college basketball,
• 42:40
  Speaker 9: whether it's football, whether it's basketball, the ability to be consistent.
• 42:44
  Speaker 9: And how do you do that? By recruiting very well
• 42:47
  Speaker 9: Recruiting an element of character, certainly, and also being really
• 42:52
  Speaker 9: solid on both sides of the ball, having a combination
• 42:55
  Speaker 9: of scorers and defenders, and also equals what? Chemistry. And
• 42:59
  Speaker 9: that's showing a magical word in every team sport, whether
• 43:02
  Speaker 9: it's Saturday's game, Utes versus BYU at 10 a.m., it's what?
• 43:06
  Speaker 9: The ability to have talent, but also chemistry, and play
• 43:09
  Speaker 9: up to your potential.
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: That's Gordy Chiesa, our resident NBA guru. Thanks for your time, Gordy.
• 43:17
  Speaker 9: Sean, peace out. Stay well.
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  Speaker 6: including Ryan Gerrard at 6-under. Two shots back, and then
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  Speaker 6: 20 guys tied for 10th right now. Goodness gracious. Max
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  Speaker 6: Gracerman in that group at five under. They're just three
• 46:03
  Speaker 6: shots off the lead, but tied for 10th. Tony Finau
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  Speaker 6: is competing in this one, and he is three under
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  Speaker 6: for the day. He's still got a couple holes left
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  Speaker 6: to go to improve on that score. Good start for Tony.
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  Speaker 6: He's tied for 27th. Zach Blair, I believe, tees off
• 46:23
  Speaker 6: in a few minutes. Yeah, his tee time's at noon.
• 46:26
  Speaker 6: And then one more, at least.
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  Speaker 4: Local U-Pot.
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  Speaker 6: Patrick Fishburne, BYU grad, tied for 46th right now at
• 46:37
  Speaker 6: one under. And he's still, he's through 14 holes. So
• 46:41
  Speaker 6: he's got a few holes left to improve on that score.
• 46:44
  Speaker 6: This week, Patrick, BYU guy, good luck, but we don't care, okay?
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: Holy war week. We're, we're Tony Finau only. All right.
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  Speaker 6: Cause I think Zach Blair's a BYU guy too, but
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  Speaker 8: 877-353-0700.
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: If you want to weigh in, The blind stat comparison.
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: We haven't done the quarterbacks yet.
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: I'm going to put the numbers out there. We could
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: discuss it a little bit here. We'll do it a
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: little bit more later in the show. The blind stat
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: comparisons for the Holy war quarterback, the most important position
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: on the field quarterback, a 1,750 passing yards on 63% completion,
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: 336 rush yards, 4.2 yard average. 20 total touchdowns and
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: four turnovers.
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: Quarterback B, 1,876 pass yards, so 146 more.
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: 70% completion percentage. I did round up on this one
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: because it's 69.6 or something. 70% completions, 393 rush yards
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: on a 4.7 average. 23 total touchdowns, that's passing and
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: rushing combined, but nine turnovers. So 1750, 20 touchdowns, four turnovers,
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: or 1876, higher completion percentage, more rush yards, higher rush average,
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: 23 total touchdowns, but nine turnovers. Which quarterback room would
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: you rather have? 877-353-0700 a or B James Peterson.
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: Any thoughts? So B has hired everything, including turnovers, unfortunately.
• 48:46
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: Which, which for quarterbacks are incredibly important stat.
• 48:50
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 48:51
  Speaker 6: And listen, I know that you said this is not
• 48:54
  Speaker 6: so blind for me. I don't have the quarterback's stats memorized,
• 48:58
  Speaker 6: so it is kind of blind for me. I'm going
• 49:01
  Speaker 6: B because the completion percentage, number one, like you, Absolutely.
• 49:06
  Speaker 6: If you can have a 70% guy, 69 plus percent
• 49:10
  Speaker 6: guy in instead of a lower 60% guy, you're going
• 49:14
  Speaker 6: to take that and more touchdowns matter. Yes, the turnovers
• 49:19
  Speaker 6: are high, but nine touchdowns. through uh eight games is
• 49:23
  Speaker 6: not that crazy obviously you'd like it to be a
• 49:26
  Speaker 6: little lower than that but it's not that crazy i'm
• 49:30
  Speaker 6: gonna guess b is devon correct b is devon he
• 49:33
  Speaker 6: has he has had a couple of games where he's
• 49:36
  Speaker 6: had multiple turnovers including against Houston a couple of weeks ago,
• 49:41
  Speaker 6: but it hasn't obviously hasn't hurt Utah yet. And what,
• 49:44
  Speaker 6: and what he's given you besides that is to me,
• 49:49
  Speaker 6: not insignificantly better here.
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: This one is to me, like you, even if you
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: don't know, cause I say not so blind. Cause a
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: lot of people are just like, oh, that's bear. That's
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: And then I went on Ben Crittle show in the
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: afternoon and I was like, yeah, I've been doing this
• 50:13
  Speaker 5: all week. And turns out the Utah numbers at pretty
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: much every position are better.
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: And he was like, well, what about quarterback? And I said, well,
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: here they are at quarterback.
• 50:22
  Speaker 5: And then he put it out because he knew that
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: if he put it out to the BYU people, the
• 50:25
  Speaker 5: votes would swing in bear's favor.
• 50:28
  Speaker 6: And look, this is looking like some of the midterm voting.
• 50:30
  Speaker 6: We saw some of the close midterm voting 52, 48 here.
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: Here's the important thing for me.
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: If you're a Utah fan and you look at quarterback a,
• 50:39
  Speaker 5: and you think that's Devin, you're happy that that's your guy.
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: If you're a BYU fan and you look at quarterback
• 50:46
  Speaker 5: B and you're like, that's bear Bachmeier, you're happy that
• 50:49
  Speaker 5: that's your guy. Both of these fan bases are very
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: happy with the performance of their quarterback and both fan
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: bases should be happy with the performance of their quarterback. Also,
• 50:57
  Speaker 5: I think to be fair to the full discussion, when
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: you talk, this is only production, right?
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: This is not the.
• 51:04
  Speaker 5: Immeasurable intangible things that you need your quarterback to have.
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: You can't put numbers on leadership qualities. You can't put
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: numbers on clutch. You can't put numbers on that kind
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: of stuff. This is just kind of like a, a
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: robotic sort of evaluation here, but to be fully fair
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: to the discussion, trace and board get for Borgay for,
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: for BYU is effectively a non-factor statistically. And while Bird
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: Ficklin's role has been, I mean, for me, somewhat shockingly
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: reduced and shrunk for this Utah football team, you do
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: have to put his numbers into the full equation, I think,
• 51:45
  Speaker 5: if you're being honest about this. And it adds two
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: passing touchdowns from Bird Ficklin. And it adds one more
• 51:54
  Speaker 5: rushing touchdown. So Bird has accounted for three total touchdowns.
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: a fair amount of football team, a fair amount of
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: rushing yards. I would imagine to 175 rushing yards on 6.2 average.
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: He's caught five passes.
• 52:08
  Speaker 5: So like bird, even though we're like, you're judging for
• 52:12
  Speaker 5: the most part, Devin versus bear.
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: You're also, you're also judging. Well, what about when.
• 52:21
  Speaker 5: Utah does something more gadgety and they bring in bird Ficklin,
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: that's part of the quarterback play for the Utah offense,
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: or it has been I don't know how much it
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: will be in this game, if we're being honest.
• 52:31
  Speaker 6: And if we're being honest about this, this is not
• 52:33
  Speaker 6: a totally far-fetched concept for BYU fans to understand, because
• 52:40
  Speaker 6: in past years, the now, he's not on the team anymore,
• 52:44
  Speaker 6: but Parker Kingston was used as a quarterback in gadget plays. Like,
• 52:47
  Speaker 6: so this is Aaron Roderick. They also have a offensive
• 52:53
  Speaker 6: coordinator in Aaron Roderick who is, likes to be creative
• 52:57
  Speaker 6: at the quarterback position. He hasn't done as much of
• 52:59
  Speaker 6: that this year because he hasn't had the guy that
• 53:01
  Speaker 6: he liked to use in the past couple years. We
• 53:04
  Speaker 6: all know the reason why. So if BYU fans are
• 53:09
  Speaker 6: poo-pooing that, then they're poo-pooing some of the things that's
• 53:13
  Speaker 6: been great about their offense the past couple years, particularly
• 53:15
  Speaker 6: last year with Bear as a true freshman quarterback. So
• 53:19
  Speaker 6: this is not a foreign concept for either one of
• 53:21
  Speaker 6: these offenses.
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: Last point before we get to Eric Weddle here, if
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: you add birds numbers into the quarterback picture, it brings
• 53:30
  Speaker 5: the total to 26 touchdowns against nine turnovers, 20 total
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: touchdowns for bear.
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: For turnovers.
• 53:41
  Speaker 5: So if we're just going net net and it's like, okay,
• 53:47
  Speaker 5: I'm going to take the total touchdowns and I'm going
• 53:49
  Speaker 5: to subtract turnovers from this. bear and BYU end up
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: with 16 touchdowns. When you turn the ball over, you're
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: not getting a touchdown. I actually think turnovers might be
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: heavier than touchdowns as a stat, but still like just
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: for the sake of the conversation, let's call it 16
• 54:05
  Speaker 5: net touchdowns for your quarterback in bear Bachmeier. If I
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: take 26 minus nine, that's 17 net touchdowns for the
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: Utah quarterbacks.
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: And that puts them on top in every part.
• 54:19
  Speaker 5: But again, you have to account for the momentum swing
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: with turnovers and quarterbacks are typically not contributing.
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: To the scoring of other teams.
• 54:30
  Speaker 5: If you have turnovers that turn into points for the
• 54:32
  Speaker 5: other team, that's why I'm doing the net touchdown thing.
• 54:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 54:36
  Speaker 6: And, uh, just totally trolling here. Oh, see, but, uh,
• 54:40
  Speaker 6: it is rivalry week. How many, how many scores did, uh,
• 54:45
  Speaker 6: Did BYU lose to UCF, by the way? Was it
• 54:48
  Speaker 6: exactly one touchdown? So I don't know.
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: Maybe that is the difference between these two teams.
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: This is from Michael says, I got to take bear here.
• 54:58
  Speaker 5: Can't turn the ball over. And then his next text
• 55:01
  Speaker 5: is I'm a thousand percent taking Utah's QB room over
• 55:04
  Speaker 5: debt over BYU is no doubt.
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: And I think I'd rather have Devin.
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: And then he says, and I think I'd rather have
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: Devin over bear, but blind stats, the turnover, turner turnovers
• 55:16
  Speaker 5: are brutal for Devin Dampier.
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: And look, they are awfully from our guy, Michael.
• 55:21
  Speaker 7: They are.
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: It's, it's brutal.
• 55:22
  Speaker 5: And it's not something that you can leave out. Utah
• 55:25
  Speaker 5: has been incredibly fortunate. Although you don't, can't just call
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: fortunate because they've controlled their own fortune. They've been fortunate though,
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: that Turnovers have not led to a significant amount of
• 55:38
  Speaker 5: points and have not led to losses this year.
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: In this game, they will.
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: In the Holy War, the trend is you take care
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: of the ball, you win the turnover margin, you're probably
• 55:50
  Speaker 5: going to win the game. That matters a lot in
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: this game. We'll talk about that and so much more
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: with the Utah football legend, the Super Bowl champion, the
• 55:57
  Speaker 5: head coach of the Rancho Bernardo Broncos, our guy Eric
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: Weddle joins us next.
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: On ESPN 700 and 92 on FM.
• 56:07
  Speaker 7: You're listening to the Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch
• 56:14
  Speaker 7: Hyundai Studio of ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM.
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show.
• 56:28
  Speaker 5: Welcome in the Utah football legend, Ring of Honor inductee,
• 56:33
  Speaker 5: Eric Weddle.
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: Kind enough to join us here on the show. E-Dub,
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: how are things?
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: Holy war, baby! It's time!
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: Let's go!
• 56:44
  Speaker 11: The only thing that matters, I debated on coming on,
• 56:48
  Speaker 11: right out the gate, singing the fight song, but I'm
• 56:51
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• 56:56
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• 56:58
  Speaker 12: Energy, to the youth and this Saturday morning when we
• 57:02
  Speaker 12: get after it.
• 57:04
  Speaker 5: Obviously it's a massive game. Obviously it's the first time
• 57:08
  Speaker 5: that two top 10 Utah and BYU teams have ever
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: squared off.
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  Speaker 4: Look, you played in some big ones, some big Holy
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  Speaker 4: war games.
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  Speaker 5: That one to seal the Fiesta bowl trip is the
• 57:18
  Speaker 5: one that jumps to mind for me. And, and this
• 57:21
  Speaker 5: one right last year was a huge game. This time
• 57:24
  Speaker 5: it's an inside track to the college football playoff. It's
• 57:27
  Speaker 5: an inside track to the big 12 championship game. It's
• 57:30
  Speaker 5: trying to break a three game streak. It's When you
• 57:33
  Speaker 5: compare it to all the other ones you've watched, how
• 57:35
  Speaker 5: big is this one?
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  Speaker 2: My goodness.
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  Speaker 12: Uh, I think this probably could be the biggest if,
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  Speaker 12: if you're taking in all the other factors of the
• 57:51
  Speaker 12: ramifications of the big 12 championship and then the college playoff, uh,
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  Speaker 12: And then the mere fact that they beat us three
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  Speaker 12: years in a row or three times in a row.
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  Speaker 12: So I am just, outside of all the other factors,
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  Speaker 12: we have to stop this streak. Like, this cannot go
• 58:14
  Speaker 12: on any longer, especially for us old alums. We cannot
• 58:18
  Speaker 12: have another year where we're not on the right side
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  Speaker 12: of this game.
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  Speaker 5: I started the show today talking about, right, coaches do
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  Speaker 5: that thing where they're just like, oh, this is just
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: another game. And I respect the fact that they have
• 58:31
  Speaker 5: to say that, but it absolutely is not. Neither team
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: can afford to lose this game. You got to go
• 58:37
  Speaker 5: into it with the correct assessment of how desperate and
• 58:41
  Speaker 5: dire your situation is. And it's the streak that you're
• 58:44
  Speaker 5: talking about is the big reason why Utah absolutely must
• 58:48
  Speaker 5: win it. For BYU, they absolutely must win it because
• 58:51
  Speaker 5: all the high hopes they have for this year After
• 58:53
  Speaker 5: losing to UCF, if you lose to Utah also, you're
• 58:56
  Speaker 5: probably not getting into the conference championship game. You're probably
• 58:59
  Speaker 5: not getting into a college football playoff. You know, your
• 59:02
  Speaker 5: whole season in some ways comes down to this game,
• 59:05
  Speaker 5: and it's more big picture for the University of Utah.
• 59:08
  Speaker 5: But there is no tomorrow. in a game like this one. When,
• 59:12
  Speaker 5: when you're playing, you know, you played playoff games, right?
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  Speaker 5: How much does it actually change the game itself for
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  Speaker 5: a player, for a guy who's, you know, preparing and
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: watching his film and all that stuff? How do you
• 59:25
  Speaker 5: compartmentalize and make sure that you're doing it the right way?
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: You're not overweighting the game while still putting it in
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  Speaker 5: its proper place.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, I think you hit the nail on
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: the head. It's the game is going to come down
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  Speaker 2: to who handles all that other stuff that doesn't really
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: matter to winning the game, right? Like how can you
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: focus and compartmentalize of just playing great and doing what
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: I've been doing for the last eight weeks, right? Like
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: These are two great teams, two great coaches, coaching staff, like, alums, everything. Like,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: this is top notch. So let's not get carried away
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  Speaker 2: with all the other factors of this is do or die,
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  Speaker 2: which it is, but how are we going to handle.
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  Speaker 8: That, right?
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  Speaker 2: Like, when you talk about playoff games, you talk about
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  Speaker 2: Super Bowls, it's the team that handles the pressure, does
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  Speaker 2: the normal things correctly, right, doesn't beat themselves, and usually–
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  Speaker 2: ends up winning the game. So that will be a
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  Speaker 2: big factor. Like who can play more composed and play
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  Speaker 2: like themselves in such a big-time game? I mean, probably
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  Speaker 2: the biggest game in the history of the rivalry.
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  Speaker 5: I did this exercise all week long where I took
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 5: the position groups and I threw their stats in and
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  Speaker 5: I said, all right, which would you rather have?
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: And it's like, all right, safeties.
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  Speaker 5: Corners.
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  Speaker 4: Utah has the advantage there. D line. BYU has got
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  Speaker 4: the advantage there. Tight ends.
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  Speaker 8: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 5: Utah's got the advantage even with all they lost. It's
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  Speaker 5: hard to do it for offensive line, which I think
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  Speaker 5: that you got to kind of go with your run
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  Speaker 5: game production to maybe grade it on the offensive line.
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  Speaker 5: And you know, you can vote one way or the other,
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  Speaker 5: but what it all comes down to as you compare
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  Speaker 5: these things is that the margins in this one are
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  Speaker 5: so thin these T it's like two twin brothers.
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  Speaker 4: Slugging it out on Saturday.
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  Speaker 5: There's far more similarities between these two teams and there
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 5: are differences, Eric. And it's crazy to see that. I
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  Speaker 5: think like every year, it's going to come down to
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 5: what you just said, who actually goes out there, handles
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  Speaker 5: their business and executes because the talent and the stat
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  Speaker 5: production at basically every position is pretty darn close.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's, it's just like, it's a typical matchup of
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: two great teams and Like, as a coach, you tend
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: to get kind of like, how many wrinkles do you
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: want to throw into this game or different things that
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: the opponent's on? Like, at the end of the day,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: you just got to out-execute your opponent. And what do
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: you do best? Lean on those things, right? And not
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: try to overdo it, overcook it by trying to reinvent
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: the wheel, per se. Like, hey, we're a really good
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: team on both sides, right? do what we do. If I'm,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm both sides of the ball. Like there,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: there are things that you do structurally and schematically, and
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: you don't want to deviate too much from what the
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: boys are confident. Like in a game like this, you don't,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: you want them to get their hand in the ground,
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  Speaker 2: fire off the ball and play with confidence and communicate
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  Speaker 2: and not having any type of second guessing and communication errors.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: And then now you're running the wrong route or you
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: didn't get the check and all this other nonsense, because
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: that'll get you beat in a game like this. So
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: who's going to handle that, right? Who's going to prepare
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: that way and not try to overdo it? Like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: this game is huge. The ramifications are huge. But it's
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  Speaker 2: also another game on the schedule. It's another championship game. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I love how Morgan has been– Going about each week
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  Speaker 2: as this is our championship week. This is the week
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  Speaker 2: that we have to pour into because it is this week, right?
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  Speaker 2: It's not after. It's not looking ahead. This is our
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  Speaker 2: championship week. We've got to go own it. We earned
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  Speaker 2: everything that we've been given so far, and let's go
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  Speaker 2: earn this.
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  Speaker 5: Eric Weddle is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 5: Show talking holy war. All right, the L.J. Martin tomfoolery
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 5: and gamesmanship has begun. He's officially listed as doubtful on
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 5: the initial injury report. Pete Thamel, National College Football Insider, says, well,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 5: he's actually more questionable than doubtful. And they think he's
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 5: trending toward dressing and being available and playing, but he's
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 5: not going to be 100%. And we've been talking about
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  Speaker 5: this for weeks. He's arguably their best player. He's only
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 5: been available for four weeks. They beat Notre Dame without him.
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  Speaker 5: But now Utah's got to account for his presence in
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 5: some form or fashion in You could use them as
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 5: a decoy. You could put them out there and say, hey,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 5: this game means everything. We don't care if your leg
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 5: falls off. Just go run the ball. You're preparing for
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 5: this offense, and L.J. Martin is going to be some factor.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 5: How do you anticipate his impact, Eric?
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  Speaker 2: I'm not really concerned with him, if I'm being honest.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: The offense runs through bare, and having to stop him
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  Speaker 2: and control him, right? Like if LJ plays great, is
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: he going to be LJ of last year? No. So
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: if he's in the game, just, he's just another running back, right?
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: Like you're, I'm not, all I'm saying is I'm not downplaying.
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  Speaker 2: If he plays and I, he'll give the emotion or
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: emotional upbeat to the team. Right. And Hey, after a half,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: if he's playing and he's LJ, the LJ LJ, then he's,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: All right, well, maybe we have to adjust our game
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: plan and adapt, which the coaches can easily do. So
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  Speaker 2: I'm just wanting us, which we're going to do, is
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: just have a great game plan to play sound defense.
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  Speaker 2: I think they're going to have a tough time just
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: moving the ball and then scoring. If they get in
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: the red zone, scoring and touchdowns in the red zone,
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  Speaker 2: which I think is a huge factor of this game
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: of our red zone defense. their inability for whatever reason
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  Speaker 2: to run the football and having to rely on Bear
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: to run the football, which he's really good at, not
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: denying that, but I think that over the course of
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: a game over two good teams is a lot to ask. Now,
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  Speaker 2: he's shown he could do that. Obviously, against Notre Dame,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: it's supposedly one of the best teams in the country.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: I thought BYU was better, both physically, schematically, talent-wise, and
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: credit to BYU for that, but I think that's just
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: a huge part of the game. And then on the
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  Speaker 2: flip side is offensively for Utah, I feel like the
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  Speaker 2: matchup is a really good matchup in the sense that
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  Speaker 2: we present a lot of problems.
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  Speaker 10: BYU's defense, schematically, the looks, pre-snap, post-snap, is probably one
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 10: of the best defenses we'll go against. And I really
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 10: like what Coach Pink is doing down there.
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  Speaker 2: And like the scheme, but if dev just plays within
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: himself and plays like dev, I think we win. And it's, it's,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: it's going to be close, but I don't think it's
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: going to be an issue. If he plays, if he
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: has some moments where interesting dev comes out, then that could,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: that could sway the game.
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  Speaker 5: We were, we were just talking about the QB stack
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 5: comparison thing, because it's like, uh, Dev has produced more
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 5: yardage and more touchdowns, but he has more turnovers.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 4: He's got five more turnovers than Bear Bachmeier does.
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  Speaker 5: If you added Bird Ficklin, it kind of balances out
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 5: to where if a turnover erases a touchdown, then the
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 5: net touchdowns for Utah with the quarterback room is 17.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 5: The net touchdowns versus minus turnovers for BYU is 16.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 5: So again, very, very even. But those turnovers are big
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 5: momentum swings, and you can't really quantify all of that
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 5: on paper. And that's, I think, what you're referencing when
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 5: you talk about the interesting dev, where you're just like,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 5: where'd that throw come from? And it's been kind of
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 5: a once-a-game type of thing. How do you make sure
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 5: you coach him up out of that, but also don't
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 5: steal his confidence? You want him to take a risk
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 5: or two, but not to turn the ball over. So
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 5: how do you manage that? How do you balance that?
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think they've done a great job
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: with Dev. I think he's progressed over the course of
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: two years here. I don't like to overcoach guys. I
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: especially don't like to take away the instincts and feel
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: and just charisma like Dev has. He's going to figure
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: it out, and you just have to trust that as
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: a coach. I don't, I just maybe reiterate maybe the
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: situation where we're at in the field, the type of situation,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: the game, like, Hey, it's a one score game. Uh,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: if you're in a situation where, you know, like, Hey,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: this might be a tight throw or you don't really
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: want to press it. Cause we're going to get field goal.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: We're going to get a field goal that pushes to
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: a two score game. Like those things I would remind him,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: but at the end of the day, like you're, you're
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: going to live with what he does because he is
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: just such a dynamic player. Uh, And I think another
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: underlining stat or whatever is who's going to win? create
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: or have big plays? When you look at offense versus defense,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: creating those big plays, I would say the opportunities may
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: be more for BYU with the defense that Utah plays
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: with a lot of pressure and the single high and
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: man-to-man outside that those Those one-on-one opportunities are going to
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: be there. So can they manufacture and have some big
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: completions to create big plays? And then on the flip side,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: how does Utah handle and create big plays? And I
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: think who can have more big plays, which I think
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: Utah has the advantage with the running game and the
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: passing game and the scheme, to have an effect of
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: creating more big plays, which would entail– open the game.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: So I think that's another thing to look at as
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: this game happens.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 5: I got to give you credit because there were a
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 5: lot of people talking about how the Cincinnati matchup was,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 5: you know, potentially a scary spot for Utah hangover from Houston,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 5: look ahead to BYU. And when we had this conversation
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 5: last week, you're just like, nah, I'm not worried about
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 5: that at all. And obviously they busted out of the gate,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 5: 42 first half points.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 4: And the game was effectively over. before halftime.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 5: So I know it didn't surprise you, but what does
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 5: it confirm for you? What does it, what does it
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 5: show you about a team when in that spot, they
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 5: handle things that way?
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I, you know, I, from the Houston game, I
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: really liked how we came out the second half. We
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: made some changes. We adjusted the staff. There was no panic.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: And I really think from the second half or maybe
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: the late third quarter, fourth quarter, From that moment, I
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: think this team has really taken that step of being
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: a legit championship team. Then it carried over to Cincinnati. Obviously,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: I understand the rivalry. I've watched both teams really closely
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: this year. I think it's going to be a really close,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: really phenomenal football game. If you're a football fan, this
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: is a game you want to tune into. But I
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: think if you take in all the factors and the
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: totality of both teams, I just think Utah's the better
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: team that's playing better right now and that they're going
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: to win. I mean, it's unbiasedly, right? I mean, I
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: know I'm biased, but if you're just looking at all
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: the factors, I think they're just a better team that's
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: playing better right now, that's more confident, and is going
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: to win.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 5: Last year, we saw kind of the first flashes of–
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 5: elite speed and burst and stuff from Daniel Bray in
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 5: this game. And that one was in Provo, but it's
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 5: kind of where he put himself on the map a
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 5: little bit. And we've had several different guys for this
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 5: Utah football team do it in several different games. Ricky
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 5: Johnson breakout game, Noah Benny breakout game. Last week it
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 5: was Hunter Andrews. Is somebody else due? Is there someone
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 5: you're looking at and saying, all right, his skill set,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 5: his burst, his whatever, is something that matches up well
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 5: against BYU?
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't say it's necessarily like a new guy, but
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: I feel like this is a big-time game for a
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: way Sean, like 25 carries, maybe even 30 touches somehow,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: some way. I think when you look at the scheme,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: they're very multidimensional. They bring a lot of different looks, pressure.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: They give a lot of different covers looks. And a
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: way to settle that down and just stay ahead of
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: the chains is to be able to run the football
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: and get downhill. And Wayshon is one of the best
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: backs in the country, and I feel like this is
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: a moment in a big-time matchup that we can lean
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: on him. It would be no different if BYU had
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: a healthy LJ. That's what they did last year. And
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: then how do you manage the situations? I think back
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: to that game last year, and we go for it
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: on fourth down instead of taking the points multiple times.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: That usually comes back to you throughout the game in
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: a close game like this. So how is Morgan and
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: Kalani going to handle those deciding moments to go for
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: it or not, to take the points or not, to
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: maybe a fake a punt like Kalani did against Notre Dame?
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: Those decisions will have a lasting effect on this game,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: whether you make those for the right or you don't
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: and you fail.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 5: Knowing how close this one usually is, would your aggressive
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 5: tendencies be more likely to manifest themselves or would you
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 5: be a little bit more conservative in a situation where
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 5: you just mentioned you take points because you know how
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 5: hard it is to get them in this rivalry game?
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, my philosophy per se is when you're
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: going two good teams, and this is more like NFL, like,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: you know, points are going to be hard. Like, I
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: always take the points on the road as an away team. So,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: being at home, you can be a little bit more aggressive.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: And it all comes back to the trust in your team. Like,
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: in high school, I know it's high school, right? But
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: I don't care where I'm at in the field. If
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: I am fourth and two or less, I'm going for it.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: I've gone for it on my minus 10-yard line because–
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: I trust my players. I trust Gage. And I trust
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: our scheme that I could design a QB run or
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  Speaker 2: some type of QB play that we're going to get
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  Speaker 2: two yards. And so if you have that confidence and
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  Speaker 2: you believe it and your guys know it and they
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  Speaker 2: just understand the situation, like, hey, we get in this situation.
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  Speaker 2: These are our roll deck of plays that we practice
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  Speaker 2: all year for this moment. We're confident. Let's go execute
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  Speaker 2: and get this first down or get this touchdown or
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  Speaker 2: get this win. It's kind of just a philosophy and
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: an identity, and then your players got to believe in it, though.
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  Speaker 2: You can't just all of a sudden go and say, oh,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: it's fourth and two, and we're going.
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  Speaker 13: To go for it when it's not really like who
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  Speaker 13: we are or you don't practice that or that's not
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  Speaker 13: your identity because then the boys aren't going to be confident.
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  Speaker 13: So just stick to who you are, trust it, believe it.
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  Speaker 2: And don't look back. You don't want to be the
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  Speaker 2: guy that says, oh, man, I should have done that. Like, no,
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  Speaker 2: you did it and it didn't work. Or we did
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  Speaker 2: it and it worked. Like, stand on ten toes and
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  Speaker 2: man up on whether it worked or not.
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  Speaker 5: It would be bad energy, bad juju if we didn't
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 5: mention the league champ, Rancho Bernardo Broncos.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: League champ, baby.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 5: And the demolition of crosstown rival Poway ahead of the
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 5: playoffs coming in.
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  Speaker 4: How about it?
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: How about it, man? Hey, proud of the boys. It's
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: been over 10 years since we last won a league title. And,
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: you know, four years since I took over as head coach.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: So this senior class was with me as freshmen their
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: first year. And, you know, we probably could have put
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: a 50 on Poway if I was that type of coach.
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  Speaker 2: But took off the dogs and let the other guys
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: get in there and kind of– let it go as, as,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: as the way it should be, but really proud, uh,
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: great team effort. And, uh, yeah, LCC next week, one
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: of the, one of the best teams in San Diego,
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: top 50 team in the state. And, uh, I like
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: our mouth, man. I like our chances. We're going to
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: be road warriors. We go 8-2 win league, and we're
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: the seventh seed out of eight teams in D1 down here.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: Tell me how that makes a lot of sense. When
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: two teams ahead of us, we beat throughout the year.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how the rankings happen, but that's the
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  Speaker 2: way it is. And we're going to go make it happen, man.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: This is the year. RB. RB and the Utes.
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  Speaker 4: Let's go.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 5: Final score for Utah BYU at home Saturday morning.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 4: Weddle in attendance.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 5: Gage Weddle, part of the massive recruiting class on a visit.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: What a great moment for the Utes, man. All the
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: recruits coming in.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 4: How about it? So how does it play out?
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: How does it play out? It's going to be a
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: one-score game. I think five and a half is too high,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: if I'm being honest. And I feel... The Utes win 24-20,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: and I think the deciding factor will be that BYU
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: struggles to score touchdowns in the red zone, and those
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: field goals end up making a one-score game at the end.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: They have to go score a touchdown, and we end
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: up stopping them, and we end the streak. And I
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: will say this, as unbiasedly, right, like unbiasedly, if I'm
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: just thinking about the Big 12 and a fan of
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: both teams, Honestly, you would want BYU to win and
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: then both meet again in the Big 12 and then
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: they both get in the playoff. When you're just thinking about, like, hey,
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: what's best for the Big 12 and then best for
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: both teams, obviously that's not what I want. But if
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: you're thinking, and if BYU wins, there's still a way
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: that both teams make it in the playoff and probably
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: get a rematch. So we'll see what happens, man.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 5: Two holy wars in the same year? My heart couldn't
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 5: handle it. And then if they both make the playoff
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 5: three Holy Wars in the same year, potentially.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: Oh my God. Wow. What a crazy year. I don't
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: know if we're ready for that. I'm not sure if
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: we're ready for that, but it is possible. So we
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: shall see.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 4: All right. I'll see you on Saturday, my friend.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: You got it, bro. Go Utes, baby!
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 5: That's Eric Weddle, the legend.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 4: Nobody better.
• 1:18:52
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  Speaker 4: Fellas, welcome. How are you?
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  Speaker 8: We're good, man. How are you doing?
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  Speaker 4: This is the best week of the year.
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  Speaker 8: I'm excited.
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  Speaker 4: So we're going to start here.
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  Speaker 8: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: Rob's a BYU fan. Caden's a Utah fan. But the
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 5: question is relevant to both. Injury report is out. LJ Martin,
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 5: I think BYU's best overall player, is trending toward dressing
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 5: and being available, according to multiple sources. He's not going
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 5: to be 100% himself, right? You guys have had to
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  Speaker 5: do that. You go to work and you're not 100% yourself.
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  Speaker 5: You still got to get the job done. Rob, I
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  Speaker 5: want to start with you. LJ Martin, how is he
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  Speaker 5: going to be used?
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  Speaker 4: Is he a decoy? Are they actually going to feed
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  Speaker 4: him the ball?
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  Speaker 2: Nope.
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  Speaker 4: He's a decoy.
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  Speaker 8: He's a decoy.
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  Speaker 14: There's no way he's going to play. I think they're
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  Speaker 14: trying to make Utah think that. So they come out
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  Speaker 14: thinking that, hey, we've got to protect this run.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah. And he's just not going to.
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  Speaker 4: He's just out there to. So you got one guy
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 4: with an eye on him.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: All right, Caden, let's assume that that is the truth here, right?
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  Speaker 5: LJ Martin's out there. He can hurt you. Bear Bachmeier
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 5: is your biggest problem. Do you account for LJ Martin?
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  Speaker 5: Do you really do you commit like a spy? Do
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  Speaker 5: you commit one guy to making sure LJ is not
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  Speaker 5: hurting you?
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  Speaker 3: I think you have to.
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  Speaker 15: I think you've got to create a spy and watch
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  Speaker 15: him no matter where he's at. He's dangerous. Both those
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 15: players are extremely, extremely athletic.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 15: With the technology and stuff now, I don't know if
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  Speaker 15: he's going to be a decoy.
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  Speaker 3: I really don't.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 15: I think with peptides and things like that now, you
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 15: can alter the body to do weird things now.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I said the same thing in the opening
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 5: segment of the show, and I was just like, he's
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 5: on the injury report. They listed him as doubtful. And
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 5: then Pete Thamel... said, no, no, no. He's probably, he's questionable,
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 5: but he's not going to be a hundred percent. And
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 5: I'm thinking about it and I'm looking at it. I'm like, okay, for,
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 5: for old fat guys like me, those lower leg injuries
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 5: are going to heal.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 4: Slow kids, a well-tuned machine. He's a horse. You know
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 4: what I mean?
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 5: And they do have like access to, to recovery methods
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 5: that normal people don't know that.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 4: And, and just the magnitude of the game, right?
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 5: There's no equivalent to this in my job. There's no
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 5: equivalent to this in your job where it's like, it
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 5: all comes down to tomorrow. If BYU wins, sorry, not tomorrow, Saturday,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 5: it all comes down to Saturday. If BYU wins their
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 5: dreams for the college football playoff are still well in hand.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 4: If they lose, it's a really tough road.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 5: And for Utah, you can't afford to go four losses
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 5: in a row to your in-state rival. So I think
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 5: with that in mind, somebody like LJ Martin, uh, is saying, yeah,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 5: my leg hurts, but put me in.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 4: I'm playing.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 8: Yeah, but here's the thing.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 14: Back in the days, you kept playing because you had
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 14: to show that you could play through the hard times
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 14: so you could get to the big league and get paid.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 14: They're getting paid plenty right now.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 8: They are.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 14: So there's almost no point for them to go out
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 14: and put it on the line and kill themselves on
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 14: an injury trying to get paid.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 4: I think we'll see, and it's one of the big
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 4: questions in this game.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 10: Rob?
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 4: Tell me the truth as a BYU fan. How are
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 4: you feeling? Utes are favored by, it went from five
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 4: and a half to now four and a half. They're
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 4: at home.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 5: We know that the home teams usually get a lot
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 5: of support in these games. So as a BYU fan,
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 5: tell the truth here on the home of the Utes.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 4: How are you feeling? Where's your confidence level?
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 14: I think as long as Utah comes out strong, I
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 14: think BYU is going to barely win, maybe overtime by
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 14: a couple points.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 10: Okay.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 8: Okay.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 14: But I think if Utah comes out weak and BYU
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 14: just starts walking over them at the very beginning, I
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 14: think BYU will let up like they usually do and
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 14: get beat by a lesser team.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 5: So you actually think that Utah starting strong helps BYU.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 5: But BYU could fall asleep if Utah has some struggles.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 8: Interesting.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 5: I guess, I mean, the last two weeks we've seen
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 5: from BYU, that makes sense. Caden, you're wearing red here
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 5: in studio. How are you feeling about this game? I mean,
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 5: look undefeated. It's been a great season so far. You
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 5: can hate BYU as much as you want if you're
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 5: out there listening, but you have to acknowledge that they
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 5: are a very, very solid team.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 4: Bear Bachmeier is a problem. They're well coached. How do
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 4: you see it playing out?
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: I'm nervous.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 15: I'm not going to lie about that. I, I do.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 15: I think Utah is going to lose. I think BYU
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 15: is going to beat them. I think they're, it's going
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 15: to come down to special teams and I'm double down
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 15: on that. And it's a, It's I don't know.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 4: I don't like that. You put bad.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: I don't like it either.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 4: I don't like that one bit, Kate.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 5: But we saw that in last year's game in Provo.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: Muff punt ended up being a big moment in the game.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: Field goals.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 4: Oh, wink, wink. Don't know.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 5: I already I already ranted about that so much last year.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 5: I don't need to bring up the field goals or
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 5: lack thereof again here on the Sean O'Connell show. All right.
• 1:25:20
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  Speaker 5: care of you. Fellas, thanks for coming in. What a
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  Speaker 5: great week.
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  Speaker 8: Thank you for having us.
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  Speaker 14: Hopefully it'll even be a better week come Saturday.
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  Speaker 8: Go youths, baby.
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  Speaker 5: Not for you, Rob. I love your support of the show,
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 5: but can't, can't go.
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  Speaker 4: That far here on the Sean O'Connell show.
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  Speaker 14: Always conflicted, always conflicted, loving BYU, but supporting Utah.
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  Speaker 4: It's fair.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 5: We mentioned LJ Martin in the injury report. There's a
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 5: full injury report out. We'll talk about who's out for Utah.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 5: Who's probably going to play. And LJ Martin's a big
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 5: loss for BYU. If he's not in there. there's another
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 5: guy though, a defensive player that might be just as
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 5: important for BYU success. And he's listed right now as doubtful.
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  Speaker 5: We'll get to that next in the injury report. It's
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  Speaker 7: This is the Sean O'Connell Show, your home of the
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  Speaker 7: from the Murdoch Chevrolet studio of ESPN 700 at 92.1 FM.
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  Speaker 5: Time for an injury update brought to you by the
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  Speaker 5: advocates if you were injured in an accident auto accident
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  Speaker 4: You deserve an advocate. All right, the initial.
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  Speaker 5: Big 12 availability report comes out on Wednesday nights about
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  Speaker 5: 8 p.m. Your Holy War availability report says that Ike
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  Speaker 5: Garcia is out for the University of Utah. And let's
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 5: just take a moment and acknowledge for that poor young
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 5: kid how disappointing this whole trajectory is.
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  Speaker 4: Relative to injuries.
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  Speaker 5: Coming out of Corner Canyon, he was a huge get
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 5: for this University of Utah football team. And the poor
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 5: guy just can't stay healthy. That sucks, man. And, you know,
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  Speaker 5: you play with guys when you come up through sports.
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  Speaker 5: You play with guys like that. You're with guys in
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 5: the gym like that, regardless of whatever sport that you're in.
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  Speaker 5: And people never get to know what they are as
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 5: an athlete or as a person or as a player.
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  Speaker 4: And it sucks.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 4: Man, Ike, sorry that this is going this way.
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  Speaker 6: It sucks, too, because he has played the last handful
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  Speaker 6: of games after missing the first chunk of the season,
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 6: continuing that unfortunate injury history. And so up until this
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 6: injury report came out, I feel like Utah fans, I
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  Speaker 6: certainly felt like, OK, maybe he's turned a corner. Maybe
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  Speaker 6: he's healthy the rest of the season. So it's just
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  Speaker 6: hopefully it's just this one game. But it sucks that
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  Speaker 6: if it is just this one game, the rest of
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  Speaker 6: the season for Ike that it's this game, but hopefully
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  Speaker 6: this isn't out for the season type thing, but yeah, it,
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  Speaker 6: it's just awful injury luck again for Ike.
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  Speaker 5: Noah Benny is listed as probable. That's sneaky important for
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  Speaker 5: the university of Utah. I didn't realize that he was
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  Speaker 5: banged up a taste and read. Who's a backup linebacker.
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  Speaker 5: You're not going to see him playing on defense, but
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  Speaker 5: maybe on some special teams, if he's available to go.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 5: The BYU one gets really interesting here.
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  Speaker 8: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Listed is out.
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  Speaker 5: Jonathan Kabea, Pearson Watson, Seth Shig, and Vincent Tautau.
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  Speaker 4: You're not worried about any of those guys. Okay. Doubtful. Again,
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  Speaker 4: this is the official one. Doubtful. LJ Martin.
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  Speaker 5: We've talked about that enough today. Also doubtful. Roger Saliapaga.
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  Speaker 5: When we were doing our production grades on the tight
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  Speaker 5: end room, BYU's got two guys. that play tight end
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  Speaker 5: for them. It's Walker lions who caught the game winning
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  Speaker 5: touchdown against Notre Dame.
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  Speaker 4: And it's Roger Sally Apaga.
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  Speaker 5: He is tight end. Number two, he is their second
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  Speaker 5: option at tight end. If he is doubtful, if he's
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  Speaker 5: not able to go, or if he's limited, then it's
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  Speaker 5: all lions, right? And that significantly limits BYU is formational
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  Speaker 5: versatility because there's plenty of times where they're both on
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  Speaker 5: the field together. So if he's not available to go,
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  Speaker 5: You're either looking at Lions and somebody who doesn't have
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  Speaker 5: a ton of experience getting their first real reps or
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 5: their first real run in a Holy War game, which
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 5: is tough, or you just can't play 21 personnel. Evan Johnson,
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  Speaker 5: one of BYU's starting corners, is also listed as doubtful. Now,
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 5: there were times in the history of this rivalry game
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 5: where that you looked at BYU's defensive backfield, and you
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 5: just said, you cannot measure up at all to what
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 5: Utah's producing. Utah has this long history of NFL players
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  Speaker 5: coming out, playing, you know, Bryce McCain and Sean Smith,
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 5: and Weddle was a corner in college that played more
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 5: safety as he got older. But, like, you were always
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  Speaker 5: looking at BYU's corners as, like, okay, Evan Johnson, Trey–
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 5: Trey Alexander, these guys are good players. These guys are
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 5: perceived potential all-conference, even all-American. I think Trey was, or
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 5: was it Evan Johnson that was a preseason all-America somewhere?
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 5: If Evan Johnson is not available in this game.
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  Speaker 4: This could be huge.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, the LJ Martin conversation is going to dominate
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 5: this injury report today and tomorrow, but if Evan Johnson
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  Speaker 5: is not available to go, it could potentially open up
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 5: the other side of the field a lot more successfully
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 5: for the university of Utah. We saw this in BYU's
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  Speaker 5: earlier games, Cannon DeVries, who's, you know, I think most
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  Speaker 5: important to them as a punt returner, but also plays
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  Speaker 5: defensive back was limited, was banged up in a couple
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  Speaker 5: of games and BYU is a lot better at defensive
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 5: back than they used to be. They recruit a different
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 5: type of player. Now they're getting a different type of
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  Speaker 5: athlete now. they're still not incredibly deep at that position.
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  Speaker 5: So this is a sneaky, massive potential injury for BYU.
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  Speaker 5: And again, doubtful all the way to available all the
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  Speaker 5: way to playing or starting is kind of a big jump.
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  Speaker 4: It's not unprecedented.
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  Speaker 5: We saw, we saw it, I think from Noah Benny
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  Speaker 5: last week, if I'm not mistaken for Utah, but Could
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 5: be a big one if Evan Johnson is not in
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  Speaker 5: the lineup for the Cougs. I'm trying to see if
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  Speaker 5: it was Evan Johnson who was listed as the preseason. Yeah,
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 5: Evan Johnson was the preseason All-American. So we'll see. We'll
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 5: see how it plays out. Questionable, Joseph Douglas, Kendall Wall,
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 5: Sefa Brown, and kicker Brody Laga is probable to play.
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  Speaker 4: For BYU.
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  Speaker 6: This is a lot of people. On the injury report
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  Speaker 6: for BYU. And like it is with most of these reports.
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  Speaker 6: Where teams have had a lot of people on there.
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  Speaker 6: Obviously some of those are probable. You expect those guys
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  Speaker 6: to play.
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  Speaker 4: But also.
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  Speaker 6: It's a lot of guys that. Don't factor into the
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  Speaker 6: rotation much anyway.
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  Speaker 4: But still.
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  Speaker 6: You just look at the sheer number. Utah's got three guys.
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  Speaker 6: Two of them probable. That you expect to play. Noah Benney.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 6: looking like the most important of the three to Utah's success.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 6: BYU has, what, four that are out, three doubtful, three
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 6: others questionable, and then their kicker's probable. Like, that's just
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 6: a massive number of guys compared to Utah in the
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  Speaker 6: injury report.
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  Speaker 4: You wonder.
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  Speaker 4: How much health and guys who.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 6: Might play, but not be, but not be a hundred
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  Speaker 6: percent for BYU factors into the outcome of this game.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 6: It probably will still be a one score game though.
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  Speaker 6: Cause it always is right.
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  Speaker 7: OC.
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  Speaker 4: That's usually how it rolls.
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  Speaker 5: But yeah, if there's you knock on wood, if there's
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  Speaker 5: any advantage that you can see on paper right now
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  Speaker 5: for BYU or for Utah, I mean the health, of
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 5: one of their, both of these teams ends up being
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 5: part of the discussion every single year. And for, for Utah,
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 5: it's nice to be in this position where you have
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 5: a relatively healthy roster heading into the most important game
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 5: of the year, heading into a holy war that you're
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 5: going to be featured on national television. I mean, even for,
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 5: it's such a bummer, even if you're like LJ Martin
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 5: or you're Evan Johnson and you're limited or you can't
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 5: play like, the fact that you don't get to be
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 5: part of this game or you're a reduced part of
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 5: this game is like criminal bad luck. If you miss
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 5: the Cincinnati game, you're probably like, Ooh, all right, whatever.
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  Speaker 4: That sucks.
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  Speaker 5: I want to be there for, you know, I only
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 5: get 12 of these a year guaranteed. I'd like to
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 5: have every single snap that I can, but this is
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 5: one where, you know, grandma gets to watch you on
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 5: TV if she can't make.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 4: It to the game.
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  Speaker 6: You think about that from the national exposure standpoint, the
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 6: one big benefit of this game being in the 10 a.m.
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  Speaker 6: time slot is you're going to get that national exposure.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 6: Think about Cam Rising, Utah legend, so many reasons why
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 6: he is a Utah legend and will always be looked
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 6: at that way. He never played against BYU. And so
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 6: some of these guys.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 6: I think both Evan and LJ played last year, if
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  Speaker 6: I'm not mistaken.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe not.
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  Speaker 6: But, man, you can be a program legend but also
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 6: not have that chance to be a super-duper legend, if
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 6: you will, and have a great game in this rivalry game.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 6: So that, yeah, the, the fact that you might miss
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 6: this game or be limited in this game is just
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 6: terrible luck.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 4: All right. We take a break here.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 5: We come back dishing with dev starts off our number three.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 5: We've got more leaderboard updates. We'll keep you updated on
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 5: anything that emerges from this injury reporting. Cause We're getting
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 5: the big 12s official reports, but also this game is
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 5: big enough now that like the college football insiders are
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 5: paying attention. They're doing some digging. Isn't that interesting? Sometimes
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 5: with the really crazy stuff shows up on our television
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 5: in front of us while we're doing the show. Pete
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 5: Schrager just predicted that Keontae George is going to score
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 5: 50 points against Dallas tonight as like a bold prediction.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 4: All right, Schrager. All right, Schrager. On big day. Big
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 4: prediction on big day. All right. This is with Deb next.
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  Speaker 4: It's the Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN 700 and 92
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  Speaker 7: It's time to talk to Utah quarterback Devin Dampier. This
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  Speaker 5: Speaker 0 7, 0 Holy war week here on the
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  Speaker 5: Sean O'Connell show edition with dev.
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  Speaker 4: I've been looking forward to this for weeks and weeks
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  Speaker 4: and weeks. And we are here eight.
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  Speaker 4: How are you feeling?
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  Speaker 8: Feeling great. Feeling great. Another week.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 4: It is another week.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 5: You all have to treat it like another week while
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 5: also understanding that it's not just any other week. How
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 5: do you manage that balance in your mind and in
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 5: practice and with this team?
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 16: Yeah, I think the biggest thing is how we've been
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 16: going about it like every week, honestly. I tell everyone,
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 16: you know, we go every week like it's the championship
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 16: game just because, you know, we've seen where two good
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 16: losses took us last year.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 8: So we can't.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 16: We try not to afford to lose games because we
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 16: can see how that can fully direct your outcome in
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 16: the playoffs. So it's huge for us to get a
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 16: win every single weekend. You know, this is the game.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 16: This is the week.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 5: I'm getting ahead of myself here. Before we look forward
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 5: to BYU, we got to look back at Cincinnati. And
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 5: there was a lot of conversation locally and nationally about
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 5: this is the trap game. This is the look-ahead spot,
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 5: and it's also the emotional hangover spot after a big
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 5: one against Houston.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 4: Kind of a nightmare matchup.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 5: They're coming off a big win over Texas Tech, and
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 5: you guys just took them behind the woodshed. But you
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 5: tell me how it was in practice, on the plane,
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 5: going into that game, like the mindset of yourself and
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 5: this team and how you were able to run up
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 5: 42 points in the first half.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 8: Yeah. Man, like no disrespect at all.
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 16: Us as a team, we felt pretty disrespectful of that.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 8: We were upset of the week, possibly. We were high alert.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 16: And all this stuff, and we just kind of looked
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 16: at that like, I guess somehow Utah never gets its
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 16: respect somehow. So it's another week where we had to
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 16: go ahead and show who we are. And I thought
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 16: that was one of the best starts we've had, just
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 16: talking both sides of the ball where we're fully, things
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 16: are going good on both sides.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 8: So it was good to feel that, good to see it.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 5: Things were going well on both sides of the ball,
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 5: scoring drive after scoring drive for you guys offensively. And
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 5: also Scooby gives you a touchdown. Rabbit gives you a touchdown,
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 5: your defense scoring for you. I mean, everything going right.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 5: And just, you know, as it's unfolding, I imagine, right.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 5: Even as optimistic as you were as confident as you were,
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 5: I imagine you're sitting there watching this, looking at the
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 5: scoreboard end of the first quarter, early second quarter.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 4: You're like, wow, We're really putting on these guys already.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 16: I was like, yeah, we're just– you know, normally you
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 16: don't score one drive, but it was just the way
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 16: we're working.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 8: We're working.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 16: Mac G was calling good plays. A lot of big
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 16: plays were happening. So, yeah, it was just like one
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 16: of those like, man, is this how good we can
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 16: be when we're all executing?
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 8: Like, this is what's up.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 4: So I appreciate you guys.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 5: Cause sometimes you make me look smarter than I am
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 5: because we were talking about it on Thursday and Friday
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 5: last week. I was like, okay, we've had like, Devin's
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 5: had his big games, kind of every game way. Sean's
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 5: had a couple of huge games. Pagans had breakout games.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 5: We saw Ricky have a good game. Noah Benny had
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 5: a big breakout game. And I was like, is there
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 5: anyone left? that is going to be a breakout star
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 5: on this offense. Cause I mean, you're in week seven,
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 5: week eight, you kind of know who you are at
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 5: that point, but we haven't seen Bray really jump off
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 5: the page yet. And then Hunter Andrews has the monster
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 5: game that he had against Cincinnati. So are there still
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 5: bullets left in the gun? Like, are we going to
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 5: see the Daniel Bray breakout game still? I mean, first
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 5: tell me, was that always part of the game plan
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 5: or did it just happen that way with Hunter Andrews?
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 16: I think Hunter was one of those guys where, you know,
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 16: I just kind of brought it up in our QB room,
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 16: just like we need to start finding a way to
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 16: get Hunter the ball. Like, somehow good things always happen
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 16: when Hunter has the ball in his hands. And, you know,
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 16: as we were able to dial up some things to
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 16: find him getting the ball, I mean, he took full
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 16: advantage of his opportunities. And then Bray, I mean, you know,
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 16: he's back of the way. We know it's way's year, but, man,
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 16: every time Bray gets in there, he's definitely making his
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 16: showcase when he's out there as well. And, um, just
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 16: talking to him this week, he was like, man, I,
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 16: I had a show against BYU. That was kind of my,
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 16: my upcoming game. So hopefully I can get in that
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 16: box again. And so, I mean, he, he has all
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 16: the confidence in the world.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 8: I'm, I'm happy. Both those guys got, you know, their
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 8: game to shine.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 5: I shouldn't say that we were still waiting on Daniel Bray.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 5: I mean, he's having a great season as a backup
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 5: in this limited touches. He's, seven and a half yards
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 5: of carry when he catches the ball, he does well
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 5: with that. So we're getting real picky on it now,
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 5: but that's what you do when a team is eight.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 6: No.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 5: Speaking of eight, no rank number three in the country
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 5: now in both the AP and the college football playoff poll.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 5: And I know you can't stay too focused on that,
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 5: but take me back to like junior year of high school,
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 5: Devin Dampier. And someone comes up, says I'm from the future.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 5: And in 2026, you're going to be the starting quarterback
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 5: for the number three ranked undefeated team in the country.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 5: If you're a big vision board guy or something, but,
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 5: but this is like wildest dreams type stuff for a
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 5: young player.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 4: And here you are.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 16: Yeah, no, this is something like you grow up as
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 16: like something you've always wanted. And it's just kind of crazy.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 16: Like it's here, like we're, we're living in it right now.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 16: So definitely something really cool, big achievement. And, You know,
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 16: the biggest thing for me is, you know, let's make
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 16: it bigger than where we're at right now. Let's continue
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 16: to find ways to be better and, you know, possibly
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 16: be the best team Utah has ever had.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 5: First half against Cincinnati, monster performance. 42 points. They don't
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 5: score a touchdown in the first half. And I know
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 5: that we're getting real, real picky about these things.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 4: But second half.
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 5: a little bit slower of a, of a performance on
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 5: both sides of the ball for you all that some
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 5: mistakes started to show themselves. We came in on Monday
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 5: and there are people, you know, I always ask people,
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 5: what did you love?
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 8: What did you hate?
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 5: And it's always the same. Every game is the same thing.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 5: What's going on in the third quarter. You and I
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 5: have had this conversation.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 4: Is the answer any different this week?
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 16: No, I think, yeah, I think we took a couple
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 16: of guys out are just limited a couple of Playing
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 16: is of some of our starters.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 8: Just, I mean, we're up by the.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 4: Game is decided, even though you can't like say that
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 4: at halftime.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 8: It's over. Yeah.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 5: But you can't like Morgan Scali. Can't say that you
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 5: can't be as a starting quarterback. You can't be like,
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 5: all right, I'm, I'm leaving. I'm going to go get
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 5: a hamburger.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 5: But you have to manage that whole thing.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 4: And that's why I wasn't really worried about it.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 5: But yeah, it is something that people raise their eyebrows
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 5: about because maybe it's a more fair way to say this.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 5: I think we're still waiting on a game where it's
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 5: great football, all four quarters on both sides of the
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 5: ball from Utah.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 4: Is that fair?
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 16: Yeah, I guess that's, that's fair to say in a,
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 16: in a way, but yeah, I think, you know, we did,
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 16: I think way in Brayden play the second half. Um,
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 16: we limited some of our receiver reps to start letting
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 16: other guys get in. So, um, but I mean, I
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 16: thought we did pretty solid. We just, we didn't convert
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 16: the best on those third downs that we had. Um,
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 16: we had one interception that, It happens. I always take responsibility.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 4: I know you were mad on that one.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 8: I always take responsibility for him.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 16: And yeah, and then, you know, Hunter, we were able
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 16: to match back and let Hunter get a deep ball.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 5: And most importantly, as we've been talking about all week,
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 5: 49-25 is belt to behind. That is still a whooping,
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 5: and that is an undefeated Utah. football team, and that
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 5: sets the stage for the biggest Holy War game in history.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 5: Never before have these two teams matched up when both
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 5: are ranked inside the top ten.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 4: Undefeated Utah, one loss BYU.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 5: There's been plenty of great matchups in this one where,
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 5: you know, It's a Mountain West Conference championship game, basically,
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 5: even though they didn't have them back in the day.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 4: Or it's last year was huge, as you're well aware.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 5: This is, on paper, the biggest one ever. What are
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 5: you seeing from BYU? What are you seeing in film
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 5: from that Cougars defense?
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 16: Yeah, you know, I think they always have guys over there.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 16: They always have guys that's ready to hit. You know,
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 16: they're as much physical as we are. You know, they
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 16: also go by that lingo, too, throughout their years, so. um, yeah,
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 16: I think we're having a pretty great matchup game. I mean,
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 16: you can't build up this, this game any more than
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 16: where it's at right now. So, um, I'm just excited.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 16: You know, they're coming to our stadium this time. I
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 16: got to see what it was like there. And, um,
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 16: now we get to host it.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 4: You do get to host it.
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 5: We've already talked about the fact that it's at 10 AM.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 5: Are you like, are you waking up earlier all week
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 5: this week to try to get your body used to it?
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 7: Yep. Yep.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 16: We got some mandatory breakfast and things like that. Just
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 16: so our guys are, learning how to feel their bodies
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 16: before the game and not testing anything new on game day.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 16: Make sure we have a consistent thing going on.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 5: Aside from the personnel, the physicality, they're a talented team, right?
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 5: Do they do anything unique that you have not seen
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 5: from any other teams? Is there anything schematically when they're
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 5: out there that, or maybe there's a guy that can
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 5: do special things You're now eight games into the season,
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 5: so you've seen a bunch of different looks. Are they
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 5: doing anything special?
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 16: I mean, I think every defense has somewhat of their
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 16: own wrinkle, but at the end of the day, we've
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 16: got to play one of the coverages. Everything you see
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 16: is stuff I've already gone against before. It's just how
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 16: they decide to disguise it, where they decide to hide
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 16: their lesser guys or where they want their bigger guys
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 16: to be able to, you know, cover. So I guess, yeah,
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 16: that's kind of how defenses work in my mind.
• 1:50:42
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  Speaker 5: salt Lake city, America first credit union and Valley plumbing,
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 5: heating and cooling. So for, for everyone else, this week
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 5: is very different than all the other game weeks, right?
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 5: My wife comes from a BYU family. So we're trash
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 5: talking in the house. It's like, you know, The neighborhood
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 5: is different. You go to the grocery store and you
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 5: see somebody wearing blue. The reaction is different. Like it's,
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 5: it's a rivalry week and it's one of the great
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 5: rivalries in the country. Uh, as you're keeping your routine,
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 5: what it's supposed to be like, is there anything else?
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 5: Do you hear people yelling out the window in their
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 5: cars at you or anything like, have you felt any
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 5: difference this week?
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 4: Because it is rivalry week.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 16: Um, I mean, I normally don't be out too much
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 16: during the season anyway, so I don't think there's a
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 16: lot of opportunities for them to catch me outside of
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 16: walking in the facility and walking out.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 4: But yeah, that's probably about it. They're parked over there waiting.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 4: When he gets out.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, come on. When he gets out, I'm going to
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 5: yell something. Not a swear word, but a fake one
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 5: at him.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 4: So, so not so much.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 7: Yep.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 8: I've been good. I've been good.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 5: You stay off social media for the most part during
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 5: this time of year.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 5: So you're, you're not seeing any of the chirping back
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 5: and forth. It's fun for me. Cause we did, I
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 5: did this thing on the show yesterday and we're going
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 5: to talk more about it as the week progresses, the
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 5: blind stat comparisons.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 4: I've taken the running back.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 5: Room, the wide receiver room, the quarterbacks, and just put
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 5: the stats up and said, which of these would you
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 5: rather have? Because we came into the year with like
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 5: an expectation of, offensive line, question marks, defensive line, who knows.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 5: And then now we're eight games in and we were
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 5: seeing how it's playing out. So it's been really interesting
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 5: to see. And I know the game's not played in
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 5: stack comparisons or on paper. It's really interesting to see
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 5: how these two teams stack up. And it's like, there's
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 5: a lot of similarities and more similarities and differences.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 5: It's kind of like with Houston where it's an evenly
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 5: matched game.
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 16: Is that how you perceive it? Yeah, for sure. I think,
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 16: you know, there's, They're in that caliber. Again, they're number
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 16: seven in the nation for a reason. So, yeah, I
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 16: think it's going to be a similar environment to Houston.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 16: I mean, Houston was a well-rounded team as well. So
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 16: it'll be a good test for us, good test for them.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 5: The lore of this rivalry goes back years and years
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 5: and years. Your head coach, Morgan Scali, is making the
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 5: rounds again on social media with his thoughts about BYU
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 5: as a player. And he handled the press conference this
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 5: week as well as anyone can and said, look, we
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 5: want to beat them, but there's no real hate or whatever.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 5: Back in those days when he's a player, right. And
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 5: he's standing up in front of a grainy camera, not
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 5: even HD. It says what he says, right? Like it's
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 5: a passionate take. And I know you just barely saw
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 5: that for the first time, right?
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 8: I think, I mean, the video is hilarious. It's hilarious.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 8: I love it.
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 16: But, yeah, I think there's a, I mean, we're in
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 16: a different generation now. I don't think, you know, it's
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 16: not like the hate, at least the physical hate. Like,
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 16: I just want to grab another player and just strangle him. Like,
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 16: it's not that, but the rival aspect of it, I mean,
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 16: neither of us want to lose. Like, this game definitely
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 16: holds some weight in this state where kind of until
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 16: next year you get the carry.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 8: You get to carry on wearing red or blue. You
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 8: know what I mean?
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 5: How much attention did you pay to the first college
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 5: football playoff ranking coming out? Cause I know you're supposed
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 5: to one week at a time. It's the routine, but
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 5: it's like, it's.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 3: The first rankings.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 5: It's the first rankings that actually matter. And it gives
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 5: you some insight into the committee's thoughts. You all are
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 5: number three. Did you pay attention?
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 8: Um, I definitely seen it. It's, it's cool. It's cool.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 16: It's for me, it's just like, we're not there yet. So,
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 16: I don't want to get too excited. I don't want
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 16: to let that stuff get to me. We still got
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 16: four more games to play, so definitely got things to
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 16: close out before that ranking fully matters.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 5: You are now the leading rushing quarterback in Utah football history.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 5: You needed, like, what, 28 yards or something against Cincinnati
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 5: in order to stand alone at the top of those
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 5: record books.
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 4: But your name.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 5: is in the Utah record books as the best rushing
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 5: quarterback in program history.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 4: What does that mean to you?
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 16: Man, it means a lot. That's pretty sick to just
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 16: have that. Shout out both my coaches. Having Beck last
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 16: year and having McGiven this year, you know, I think
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 16: they allowed me to be who I am on the field.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 16: And the team was supportive. We got on the plane.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 16: Big Al announced it to the team, so. It was
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 16: pretty cool, though, that those guys are behind me and
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 16: congratulated me on that accolade.
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 5: I know that it's probably getting tired because we've talked
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 5: about it every single week, but once again, this offensive line,
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 5: even down Kelvin Obot, who unfortunately we learned is now
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 5: out for the rest of the season, so down one
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 5: of the better players, one of the better athletes on
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 5: this offensive line against Cincinnati, who maybe isn't the best
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 5: defensive face, but they got bodies, right?
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 4: They played.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 5: an incredible game, especially an incredible first half again. And
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 5: now we're three quarters of the way through a season
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 5: and any questions that anyone has about what this group
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 5: is capable of, I think have to go away. I mean, just,
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 5: just talk about, I mean, there was on one away,
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 5: Sean's big runs. He didn't get touched until the free safe, right?
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 4: There was nobody, right? I mean, these guys, these guys
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 4: are killing it right now.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 8: Yeah, no doubt.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 16: You know, zero, he gets a lot of attention right now,
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 16: him possibly being a first rounder. huge congrats to him
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 16: and just the rest of the guys. I feel like
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 16: there's not that far of a drop-off if you keep
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 16: going down. A lot of them are performing at their best.
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 16: For them to have to sit behind those last year
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 16: group guys for so long and be able to finally
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 16: get in there, I think they were able to learn
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 16: a lot and then apply it to their own way.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 16: The physical aspect is probably the biggest thing that goes
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 16: on in those trenches and I think Just being a U,
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 16: you're going to carry every aspect of being tough and
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 16: being able to finish and go longer than the guy
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 16: in front of you.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 5: From a numbers standpoint, the BYU defensive front, very solid.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 5: Every game, the battle in the trenches matters a lot.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 5: It mattered a ton last year. It matters a ton
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 5: again this year. They've got a lot of talent in
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 5: their front four, and the rotation is really like seven guys.
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 4: They're all talented.
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 5: When you look at that particular matchup, your old line
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 5: versus their defensive front, how do you see it?
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 16: Yeah, I guess my, my mindset is, you know, the,
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 16: the way I'm able to play is, um, you know,
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 16: I believe my guys are going to protect me at
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 16: all costs. And, um, you know, when they do mess up,
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 16: that's why I got my legs. I, I, I'm able
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 16: to recover when, you know, the defense allowed to be
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 16: good too.
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 8: You know, we can't be perfect every single play.
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 16: And, um, yeah, you know, I take that on my
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 16: responsibility to, bail them out at times.
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 5: Do you ever perceive a matchup as like you're going
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 5: against the defense, but you're dueling against the production of
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 5: the opposing quarterback? Obviously, Bear Bachmeier and you have a
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 5: lot of similarities. He's good with his feet. He's getting
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 5: a lot better as a passer. Morgan said that in
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 5: his press conference.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 4: I don't know if you heard that comment.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 5: You know, they're again, more similarities than differences between the
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 5: way that you two guys play.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 4: Uh, do you ever view it as like a dual?
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 4: I got out, do that guy.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 16: I mean, I think there's a bit of that every game,
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 16: you know, I think every quarterback and you, you love
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 16: to be in those games too. Uh, you know, I've,
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 16: I've ran into bear a couple of times this year and, uh, a.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 8: Lot of respect for him. Uh, same. He has a
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 8: lot of respect for me. You know, that's, we vocalize that.
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 16: And, So, yeah, I think it's cool that, you know,
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 16: you get to go against another quarterback and be like,
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 16: all right, like, let's see who has the better day
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 16: kind of today. So, but it's a cool, it's a
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 16: healthy relationship. You know, I do rock with Bear. But, yeah,
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 16: this game, I'm going to have to rock with the
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 16: Utes a little bit harder.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 5: I'm knocking on wood. I'm throwing salt. I'm doing all
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 5: the superstitious stuff when I bring this up. But you
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 5: all have managed to remain relatively healthy this season. And
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 5: we talked about that. Before the season began, we talked
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 5: about it a couple times already. A lot of people
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 5: are giving credit to Coach Saunders and the program in
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 5: the weight room and things like that. From what we
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 5: can see, you appear to be avoiding a lot of
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 5: the wear and tear, the bumps and bruises.
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 4: I'm not telling you.
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 5: To out yourself here, but just talk to me about
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 5: the overall health of this team and the fact that
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 5: we haven't had to bring up the injury bug as
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 5: much this year.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 16: Yeah, I think, you know, I think Skyler went into, like,
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 16: Him being a head coach, I think he went in
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 16: a lot into analytics and what shows proof of preserving
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 16: injuries and stuff like that. So we made our workouts
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 16: all intentional for every position to prevent injury. We're doing
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 16: a lot of stuff for the receiver's knees, like ACLs.
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 16: So they're preventing that stuff and same offensive line. So
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 16: I think everything's been so directed in a direction where–
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 16: you know, we could be at this point, uh, even
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 16: tracking how much we're running every week, um, how much
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 16: our bodies are taking every week, you know, that's being
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 16: tracked just to make sure we feel healthy for game days. Um, bruises,
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 16: bruises happen. I mean, bruises come with the game for sure.
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 16: Everybody gets those, but just, uh, the big significant injuries. Um, yeah,
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 16: I think that all goes to Scali bringing in the
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 16: right group and, um, those guys doing what they do.
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 5: Uh, high school football playoffs are starting right now. And
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 5: like the Friday night lights experience, depending on the player
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 5: you talk to is something that like never leaves you.
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 4: Or it's like, I'm a D one college player. Now,
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 4: like I got bigger fish to fry.
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 5: How connected do you still feel to like high school
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 5: quarterback Devin?
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 5: Do you do those memories and that like experience still
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 5: fuel you or matter to you in any way?
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 16: I think my, my junior and senior year were pretty
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 16: solid for me. that was the first time I ever
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 16: won a championship, like, in that level my junior year.
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 8: So that was sick.
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 16: And then senior year, just being able to get to
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 16: the championship game, we lost. But, yeah, I'm definitely going
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 16: to carry those memories for a long time. You know,
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 16: that's kind of the before football becomes a job, if
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 16: that makes sense. Like, now being in college, you know,
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 16: I'm happy I'm here because the Utes, you know, we
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 16: make it where it's kind of still, you still get that,
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 16: experience of like i committed to the school i want
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 16: to be at this school um now like this is
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 16: a business so those are high school is kind of
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 16: the last memories you kind of get of like i
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 16: was out there playing for fun literally and with some
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 16: guys i grew up with so yeah those memories definitely
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 16: are still there um how connected am i now.
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 8: I feel old now yeah.
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 16: You can't say that yeah i dude i do feel
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 16: old i'd be like i bet what year what year
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 16: is seniors this year.
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 8: Like it's the craziest thing. Well, dude.
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 4: So for me, for the guys, like, you know, when
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 4: you get to your forties, you'll understand.
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 4: But like.
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 5: You and the guys you play with were born when
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 5: I graduated high school or after I graduated high school.
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 11: Right.
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 4: And I'm just like, that is bananas.
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 5: These guys, these guys now are like class of 28.
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 4: I graduated in 2002. I was a class of 2002.
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 5: And like, when you're that age, you never even think
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 5: about there's going to be a class of 28, right?
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 4: Much less that you'll be watching them.
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 5: Like one of my good friends, his son went off
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 5: for seven touchdowns last week.
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 4: And yeah, he's a junior running back.
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 7: Whatever.
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 4: He went out for seven touchdowns last week. It's his son.
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 4: It's like, it's not him.
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 3: It's his child.
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 5: And I'm like, this is, this is crazy. I remember
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 5: when he was a little baby.
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 5: And so we got guys coming in this weekend for big,
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 5: big recruits that are going to be here that, like
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 5: Gage Weddle. The first time I saw Gage Weddle, he
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 5: was a fat little baby. His mom was carrying him around, right?
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 5: Like it's really crazy. And so when you say you
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 5: feel old compared to the high school guys.
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 8: You're really feeling it.
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 4: Just wait.
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 5: I could be the dad of these high school guys
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 5: on your team.
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 4: It's crazy.
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 5: But yeah, I asked that because it's a special time
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 5: of year, right? When you get to if you get
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 5: a chance to go out to a Friday night football game,
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 5: and I know you guys got bigger fish to fry,
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 5: you're busy right now, but for all the listeners out there,
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 5: if you get a chance to go out, watch one
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 5: of these games, right? These are playoff games for some kids,
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 5: for most kids that are seniors. It's the last football
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 5: game they'll ever play. And it's just like, I don't know.
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 5: It's a special thing. It's like almost a sacred thing.
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 5: If you're an athlete.
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 4: Is that how you felt about it?
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 16: I definitely think, you know, the senior year, especially those
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 16: guys that don't get to go on to the college level, like,
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 16: That's as far as they were able to make it,
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 16: and it does leave a mark on people. Yeah, packing
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 16: out the playoff games, that's the goal.
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 5: It seems like, I don't want to put words in
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 5: anyone's mouth, but it seems like you all have managed the,
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 5: this is a job, this is a business, this is
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 5: something we have to do.
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 4: But, I mean, winning is fun.
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 5: And around the program, coaches, players, everyone, it seems like
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 5: this is still... kind of a joyful experience with Utah
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 5: football this year.
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 4: Is that a fair description?
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 16: I would definitely say, you know, there's, there's a way of,
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 16: I would say the most job feeling you get being
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 16: here is like, you know, what you do outside of here,
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 16: it does matter. I mean, you're going to, you're going
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 16: to have a reflection on the whole entire team. Like
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 16: you can't just go high school, you go do some
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 16: dumb stuff and you'll be, you'll be okay. You probably
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 16: get in trouble with your parents and be just all right. But, uh,
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 16: just being here, you know, you gotta be more professional
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 16: when you're outside of this. Uh, just know who's around you,
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 16: what you're doing. But besides that, I mean, in the
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 16: building wise, you know, it doesn't feel like, man, if
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 16: I don't perform, I'm.
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 8: I'm going to lose money. I'm going to get benched.
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 16: Like we don't give that, that environment where, you know, we're,
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 16: you've earned your spot over, over all this time. We,
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 16: we have trust in you. Just go out there, go ball. Um,
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 16: And that's just been kind of the way it goes.
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 4: Vegas says you're favored.
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 5: A lot of the analytics say that this is a
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 5: game Utah's going to win. I'm sure there'll be more, hey,
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 5: upset alerts. Watch out for Utah to lose. This is
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 5: a massive, massive game. How do you all go out
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 5: and win it on Saturday morning?
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 16: Man, just preparation and just being ready for the moment.
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 10: I mean.
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 16: Preparation is going to get you a lot. It gets
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 16: you through a lot for football. So get yourself there.
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 16: Nothing different than we've been doing. And just game time.
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 16: Just be ready.
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 2: Be ready.
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 8: And everything will work out the way it should.
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 4: Get there early if you have a ticket.
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 5: If you're going to the tailgate, enjoy that breakfast version
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 5: of your tailgate. But get into Rice Eccles Stadium for kickoff,
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 5: 10 a.m. Is this the first game you've played on ABC?
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 8: Possibly.
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 5: You've been on big ESPN plenty of times, but I
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 5: can't remember the last time Utah had a game on ABC.
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 5: Text it to me if you know, 877-353-0700. Don't even
• 2:06:57
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• 2:06:59
  Speaker 8: Yeah, that's it.
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 7: Pretty great.
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 4: Dev, good luck.
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 8: Thank you.
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  Speaker 5: All right, we've been doing our blind stat comparisons all
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 5: week long for Utah versus BYU. It was a fun
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 5: way for me to approach the matchup in the Holy
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  Speaker 5: 700 and 92.1 FM. The way that the count came out,
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 5: because James was keeping score, tight ends, advantage Utah. Linebackers,
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 5: advantage Utah. D-tackles, D-ends, advantage BYU. Wide receivers, advantage BYU.
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 5: Slight advantage BYU there. Safeties and running backs, advantage Utah. Corners,
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 5: slight advantage to the Utes. Quarterback, depending on whether or
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 5: not you factor in the.
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 5: Nine turnovers total for Devin Dampier, or you value the
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 5: only four turnovers for bear Bachmeier, whether you weigh that
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 5: heavier or Devin's better passing percentage, total yardage in running
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 5: and in passing, by the way, more touchdowns. And then
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 5: you put bird Ficklin's production in there. And the quarterback
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 5: picture is like, I mean, it is razor thin for me.
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 5: Also when you're judging one of these quarterbacks, I don't,
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 5: I really don't think you can go wrong.
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 4: If you say Bayer Bachmeier, you'd rather have Bayer Bachmeier.
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 4: It's a very defensible position.
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 5: If you say you'd rather have Devin Dampier, it's equally defensible,
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 5: and it makes more sense, obviously, if you're a Utah fan,
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 5: which if you're listening to this show, you probably are.
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 5: I thought that we would get a lot of kind
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 5: of like back and forth when we talked about this stuff. Ultimately,
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 5: it was closer matchup-wise on paper than I even thought
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 5: it was going to be. I do want to note though,
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 5: that there's one position that's really, really difficult to judge
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 5: based on paper stats. And that is of course the
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 5: offensive line. If you're taking the, if you're grading an
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 5: offensive line on stats that are available to you and
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 5: you're not using pro football focus, you're not using, you know,
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 5: one of those evaluation systems that, scouts the film and
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 5: then believes they know what the assignment is. And they
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 5: grade people's performance play by play on that assignment. If
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 5: you're just going by the numbers available on the rest
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 5: of those stat sheets. And by the way, I think
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 5: offensive line is best evaluated in the other way, in
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 5: the pro football focus way, even though occasionally they'll get
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 5: something wrong because they don't a hundred percent know the assignment.
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 5: I think these are football people. They know what they're doing.
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 5: They're watching film all day, every day. It's their job.
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 4: They have experts. They have ex-NFL players.
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 5: They have ex-coaches that are making sure that their analysis
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 5: is as accurate as it could possibly be.
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 4: I think that's probably the better way to do it.
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 5: But it would be incongruous for me to say, well,
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 5: pro football focus says this team is graded better at
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 5: this position. So I'm going with the regular stat comparison
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 5: that we're using. And the best offensive line stats I
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 5: could come up with are how many rush yards is
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 5: your team scoring? earning per game, including your rushing average,
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 5: and then on top of that, what about protection?
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 4: The best stat for protection is sacks allowed.
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 5: Now, it factors in quarterback mobility, strength of schedule matters
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 5: in sack production and sack allowed. However, both of these
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 5: quarterbacks are mobile enough that I think that they're close
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 5: analogs to one another. And you say, yeah, if you're
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 5: going to get into the backfield and sack bear Bachmeier.
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 5: You could probably on that same play sack, Devin dampier
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 5: and vice versa. If bear Bachmeier can escape that sack,
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 5: it's likely that Devin dampier could have escaped that sack too.
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 5: So when you compare sacks allowed with both of these teams,
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 5: I think it's a, it's a pretty good measure. So
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 5: Utah's run game has produced 20 total touchdowns in rushing offense.
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 5: BYU also 20 total touchdowns, Utah, 1,815 yards for an
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 5: average of 5.74 yards per carry 227 yards per game.
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 5: That ranks third right now in the conference, West Virginia
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 5: is one Cincinnati is two Utah's three Texas tech is four.
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 4: BYU is all the way down at 10.
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 5: And again, injuries have factored into this, but Utah's offensive
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 5: line has helped block for 400 plus more yards than
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 5: BYU's in equal.
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 4: Number of touchdowns.
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 5: Utah's averaging three quarters of a yard more per carry
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 5: than BYU is.
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 4: They're also running more often.
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 5: BYU is, earning 175 yards a game on the ground,
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 5: so about 50 yards less than Utah is on the ground.
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 4: And yes, running backs, running back health factors into that.
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 5: Utah's offensive line, if you're going to use these stats,
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 5: deserves some credit for it. So they win in the
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 5: running portion of offensive line grading. And the sacks allowed
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 5: the pass protection. BYU is number one in the conference.
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 5: They've only given up five sacks on the year total.
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 5: Utah has given up 11. They're tied for fourth. So
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 5: the significant advantage for BYU in the sacks and the
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 5: pass protection probably balances out Utah's significant advantage in the
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 5: run game, and maybe the offensive lines cancel one another out.
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 5: If that is the case, if we're willing to go
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 5: with that premise, Utah has one, two, three, four.
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 5: Five positions where we have decided via vote and by
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 5: statistical analysis, production analysis, five different position groups where Utah
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 5: is better off than BYU, ever so slightly. According to
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 5: our informal and very unscientific analysis, BYU gets the advantage
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 5: at D-tackle, D-end, wide receiver, and potentially QB, which means
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 5: they've got the advantage overall. And that's if you don't
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 5: want the D tackles to cancel one another out. And
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 5: if you don't want the quarterbacks to cancel one another out,
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 5: these teams are separated by inches by a few yards
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 5: here or there by a 0.5 yards per carry or a, however,
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 5: you know, 1.007 extra passing yards per game.
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 4: It is a very, very, very, very close matchup. between
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 4: these two teams.
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 5: And I think, yes, the votes are somewhat influenced by
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 5: people saying, oh, that's Utah. Oh, that's BYU. I'm going
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 5: to vote for my team regardless of what the number says.
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 5: But the numbers in a lot of these do favor Utah.
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 5: I don't know that there's a way for me to
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 5: adjust based on strength of schedule because it bears stating
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 5: that BYU's performance against Notre Dame and against Arizona is
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 5: give them an advantage in the strength of schedule and
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 5: the strength of record category that, in my opinion, is
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 5: important here.
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 4: No matter what way you.
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 5: Look at it, and we'll obviously talk about it a
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 5: lot more tomorrow, I'm going to bring up all the
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 5: team stats. I'm going to bring up a bunch of
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 5: the other categories. We're going to look at matchups. We're
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 5: going to look at injury availability. We're going to look
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 5: at something that is a lot harder to measure, the coaching.
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 4: This is.
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 5: Perhaps the best Holy war matchup, not only the most
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 5: important one, but the most statistically comparable Holy war matchup
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 5: that I can remember where these teams are mirror images
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 5: of one another in a lot of ways.
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 6: It's been a build for BYU to kind of get
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 6: to this point, right? And I know that's weird to
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 6: say because they've won the last three, the last two
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 6: since they've been in the Big 12. But if you
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 6: think about the greater context of when they were an
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 6: independent team not that long ago and they had a
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 6: hard time getting the same kind of talent that Utah
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 6: as a Pac-12 team was getting at that time. It
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 6: feels like they've built BYU has over that really long time.
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 6: Kalani was the head coach for most of that time.
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 6: And still is the coach they've been building to this point.
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 6: And finally, it feels like Utah has been here because
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 6: they had the advantage of being in a power five
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 6: conference and power for conference over that entire time.
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 4: Finally, it feels like BYU is here.
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 6: And it's crazy to think that they've won the last
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 6: two years without, with still kind of building up to
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 6: that point. But they are, they're here to, and that's
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 6: probably why the stats are bearing out this way, O.C.
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know what you think about that,
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 6: that it's this close for the first time that you
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 6: can remember. Because, hey, one side has been a lot
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 6: more talented for the last 15 years, the last couple
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 6: years notwithstanding.
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 8: It's interesting.
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 5: The talent gap that we used to talk about and
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 5: Utah fans used to pound their chest about when, you know,
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 5: it was a decade where BYU didn't get a win that,
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 5: that talent gap is gone.
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 4: It's closed.
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 5: I mean, you could probably actually make an argument this
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 5: year because where we measure the talent gap, the thing we,
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 5: some people like to use recruiting rankings.
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 4: Those don't mean anything.
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 5: I think the more important talent gap or the more
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 5: important talent evaluation is is you look at postseason awards
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 5: and you look at NFL draft, right? And you could
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 5: make an argument that this year's BYU team will be
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 5: more heavily represented on those than Utah. Now, Utah's success,
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 5: team success, is going to garner some individual recognition for players,
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 5: but the way that they have spread everything around and
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 5: the way that there's like a more, like everyone on
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 5: this Utah football team appears to be with some rare exceptions,
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 5: like a B plus a minus player. And then maybe
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 5: way Sean is like an a plus, you know, maybe
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 5: rabbit Evans is an a plus BYU has got a
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 5: situation right now where they've got, I think a similar
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 5: distribution or an equal distribution of talent with maybe more outliers,
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 5: maybe a greater number of outliers, LJ Martin, a healthy
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 5: LJ Martin is an NFL player definitively.
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 5: And probably would be like an all-American candidate, certainly an
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 5: all-conference candidate. Now, Weishan is right there, so I call
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 5: those two comparable. Faletel Satawala started the season as a
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 5: preseason all-everything. He's going to finish the season as a
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 5: postseason all-everything, right? I mean, Legend Glasker is likely to
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 5: be the freshman of the year in the conference if
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 5: they continue to have success.
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 4: The talent gap is closed. It's absent. There's no such
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 4: thing anymore.
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 5: And we're going to have like a 2026 year that
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 5: maybe BYU gets an extra player drafted. Then 2027, it'll
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 5: be Utah that gets an extra player drafted. And 2028,
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 5: BYU will have two guys and Utah will have three
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 5: guys or whatever. And it's going to go back and
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 5: forth like this. The Pac-12 advantage for Utah is gone.
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 5: And now it comes down to culture, recruitment, resources, where
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 5: BYU has an advantage right now. Coaching where defying all
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 5: expectation in the first year of McGiven and Swan and
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 5: Morgan Scali as the Holy triumvirate at the top of Utah,
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 5: they have at least through eight, eight weeks of the season,
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 5: they have been better in coaching than BYU has. If
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 5: only for the fact that they have not stubbed their
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 5: toe against an inferior team. There's no questioning that UCF
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 5: is an inferior team to BYU. Utah has avoided that pitfall.
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 5: BYU has not. If BYU played UCF 10 times, UCF
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 5: gets one win. But they got the one that matters.
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 5: Because it's the one that actually happened. Utah has avoided
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 5: that right now.
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 7: So, I....
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 5: One part of you as a Utah fan hates that
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 5: the talent gap is gone because now it's harder to
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 5: win and you've lost the last three. It makes for
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 5: better rivalry. It makes for better rivalry games. That decade,
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 5: there were a lot of people, you remember this, okay?
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 5: And hopefully you're listening right now. There were a lot
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 5: of people that would get mad at me when Utah
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 5: was in the pack 12 and BYU was still struggling
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 5: to get attention as an independent and hopefully an invite
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 5: that eventually came to the big 12.
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 4: And I would say, I.
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 5: Want the holy war every single year. Oh, you can't
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 5: play it at the end of the year.
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 2: Fine.
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 4: Played in the first week of the year.
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 5: There were a lot of Utah fans that were like,
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 5: they had decided that BYU was too far beneath and
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 5: that we're ready to get rid of that rivalry that happened.
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 5: There were hundreds of you. Probably not more than that.
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 4: It was, it was a loud minority. Absolutely. But, but
• 2:23:35
  Speaker 4: so like the.
• 2:23:35
  Speaker 5: Rivalry almost died because of that talent gap. And some
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 5: of you might think this rivalry is too toxic or
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 5: you hate the fact that Utah has lost the last three.
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 5: So you're not really fond of it right now, but
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 5: I promise you, you don't want to be in a
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 5: situation like Utah state where you don't really have a rival.
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 4: Right. Or you don't want to be in a situation.
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 5: Imagine if you were in the big 12 and BYU
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 5: was in the ACC and you never played one another,
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 5: which team, which of the, you don't have a rival.
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 5: Neither team has a rival. It's like the years when
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 5: you were in the PAC 12 conference and you didn't
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 5: play BYU. It's like, okay, well, our rival is Colorado.
• 2:24:25
  Speaker 4: That sucks. It was dumb.
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 5: So as much as you hate, Batman hates the Joker,
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 5: BYU hates Utah, but you need each other. We're going
• 2:24:42
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• 2:24:46
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• 2:24:53
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• 2:24:56
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  Speaker 5: Queens of the Stone Age tickets. They're coming May 11th
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  Speaker 4: 877-353-0700.
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 5: I told you how many total touchdowns Devin Dampier has
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 5: accounted for in our blind stat comparison exercise with the QBs.
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 5: Devin Dampier has accounted for how many total touchdowns for
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 5: Utah football this year?
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  Speaker 6: 877-353-0700.
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  Speaker 5: Passing, rushing. I guess he could have a receiving touchdown
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  Speaker 5: here or there. How many has he accounted for for
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  Speaker 3: It's been a long day for your guy.
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  Speaker 7: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Recorded a podcast with Steve young.
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 4: Flex, but all right.
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  Speaker 17: That will be on the show at four. Something like that.
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  Speaker 4: Love me some Steve young.
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  Speaker 17: It will be on your television tonight at six 30
• 2:27:00
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  Speaker 4: I like that.
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  Speaker 17: Spoke at a lunch shout out to my real estate
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  Speaker 4: I believe.
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  Speaker 7: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, Sly, Stevenson, Sylvester. We had a panel.
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  Speaker 8: Okay.
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 17: Austin Colley, who, like me, lives right on and off
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  Speaker 17: the field. And then magic happens.
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 3: Dave Nixon. Shout out, Dave Nixon.
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  Speaker 4: Love me some David Nixon.
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 3: Little Chase Hanson on the Utah side.
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 3: And a bunch of others.
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  Speaker 17: Shout out to everyone who was part of that panel.
• 2:27:33
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  Speaker 4: I love that.
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 3: Then recorded the Talkin' RSL Show, 1035.com. KMYU. And now
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  Speaker 3: here I am. So hence why I'm dressed like an
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  Speaker 3: adult today.
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 4: Yeoman's work.
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 3: Wow. Well, I mean, we're not digging ditches.
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 17: But now I'm doing a four-hour radio show. And excited
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 17: for it. I mean, this is a fun week. Do
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 17: you have fun with this week? I feel like there's
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 17: so many people that just, like, hate this week and
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 17: dread it.
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 13: I am.
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 4: On the very opposite end of that spectrum.
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 8: I'm with you.
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 4: This is the best week of the year every single year.
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 5: Even with a result that you don't like, it's still
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 5: the funnest it can possibly be.
• 2:28:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely.
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 5: And Saturday morning, the morning kickoff is what it is,
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 5: but I'm excited. I don't have to wait all day
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 5: Saturday because it's Christmas. You don't have to wait for
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 5: Santa Claus to come.
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 17: Yeah, I mean, it's kind of getting in the way
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 17: of my fourth job, which is aspiring amateur golfer.
• 2:28:28
  Speaker 4: Too bad.
• 2:28:28
  Speaker 3: But, you know, I'll show up and What time are
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 3: you going to get there?
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 5: I'm probably going to stay up all night and just
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 5: roam around campus, scaring people.
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 3: Wouldn't recommend it, but do what you got to do.
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 4: I think I'm going to get up there probably about eight.
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 17: So, you know, what's interesting is if you drive by
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 17: guardsman's way right now, people are setting up to sleep
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 17: there Friday night.
• 2:28:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:28:54
  Speaker 17: There are people that will sleep in their trailers like
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 17: for the tailgate.
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 8: It's awesome.
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 3: Like you, I eagerly look forward to this week every year.
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 17: I've never really even, you know, as a kid, my
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 17: grandfather was in the Cougar Club, so we would go
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 17: to a lot of the BYU games. And then as
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 17: a student at the U, you know, every year now,
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 17: 20 years in media, like. I've never had this week
• 2:29:18
  Speaker 17: land any other way than like, man, this is, this
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 17: is so fun.
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 3: This is just really, really, really cool.
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 4: It's really fantastic.
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 5: And in a world where college sports are ever closer
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 5: to professional sports and there's free agency and there's big
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 5: contracts and all that kind of stuff, rivalry games are
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 5: like the last lonely Island of purity.
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 5: Where like LJ Martin, I asked this question, I'm going
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 5: to pass it to you. LJ Martin is, It sounds
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 5: like he can play. How much is he going to play?
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 5: How much are they willing to risk with him? How
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 5: much is he willing to risk personally in any other game,
• 2:29:54
  Speaker 5: including Notre Dame, by the way, I'd be like, no,
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 5: you have to protect the season in this game.
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 4: I bet that LJ Martin is champing at the bit
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 4: to play.
• 2:30:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 2:30:05
  Speaker 4: And it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:30:07
  Speaker 5: I know I've got an NFL career to look forward
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 5: to and to protect, but I need to go beat
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 5: these guys. It's like the last thing that stirs those
• 2:30:15
  Speaker 5: feelings for these college athletes and obviously for the fan bases.
• 2:30:18
  Speaker 4: And it's just beautiful.
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 17: And in a way, this is BYU season. I mean,
• 2:30:23
  Speaker 17: we didn't think it was going to be, but in
• 2:30:25
  Speaker 17: a way it might be. Now, look, Tech still has
• 2:30:27
  Speaker 17: to play Oklahoma State. If I guess today, Texas Tech
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 17: is going to get in as a one-loss team to
• 2:30:33
  Speaker 17: the Big 12 championship game. Utah hasn't lost a conference
• 2:30:36
  Speaker 17: game yet. They could still lose on Saturday and make
• 2:30:39
  Speaker 17: it in. BYU loses. You're a two-loss in-conference team. You're
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 17: probably not going to the Big 12 championship game, and
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 17: you're probably not going to the college football playoff.
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 3: Now, could that change? Of course. The sport is wild.
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 3: But in a way, this is.
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 17: I mean, the pressure on BYU certainly feels a lot
• 2:30:56
  Speaker 17: more real than Utah, but the pressure for Utah is...
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 17: The last time Utah beat BYU, we had not even
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 17: heard of COVID. It was prior to the pandemic. It
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 17: was 2019. You're a five and a half point favorite
• 2:31:08
  Speaker 17: at home. The weather's going to be good. You've lost
• 2:31:10
  Speaker 17: three straight. Pro Football Focus has Utah's eight points better
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 17: than BYU on Saturday.
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 3: So the pressure on Utah is simple. You've got to
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 3: break this thing, man.
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 17: And obviously keep the undefeated season alive and all the
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 17: other things that come with it. more than 50 recruits
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 17: in the stadium. Several of whom have offers from both
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 17: Utah and BYU, like the layers of the pressure for
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 17: both sides are pretty fascinating to kind of unpack a
• 2:31:33
  Speaker 17: little bit.
• 2:31:34
  Speaker 5: I want to pass a poll question to you. Actually,
• 2:31:37
  Speaker 5: two of them want to pass to you. LJ Martin
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 5: will have many touches and at least one touchdown. He
• 2:31:44
  Speaker 5: will have a decent amount of yardage, but not score.
• 2:31:47
  Speaker 5: He will be mostly a decoy or he won't play
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 5: against Utah.
• 2:31:50
  Speaker 17: My conspiracy Joe Rogan theory on the pod today.
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 3: Has nothing to do with vaccines. It's that L.J.
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 17: Martin is ready to play and could have played a
• 2:32:02
  Speaker 17: week ago against Arizona State if what was on the
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 17: line in that game is on the line in this game.
• 2:32:07
  Speaker 3: I think L.J. is ready.
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 17: Is he 100%? Probably not. But look, with L.J. Martin,
• 2:32:14
  Speaker 17: BYU is the 14th best rushing team in the country.
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 17: Without him, they're the 9th worst in yards per carry.
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  Speaker 17: They need him badly. This Preston Rex, Journey Tonga, Sione
• 2:32:24
  Speaker 17: Moa running back by committee deal has not worked. Since
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 17: LJ went out, Bear has 206 rushing yards at 76
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  Speaker 17: more than anybody else.
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  Speaker 4: They need him.
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  Speaker 3: If they want to win this game, they.
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  Speaker 17: Need LJ, and they need him at least 70% to 80%.
• 2:32:38
  Speaker 17: I don't know that he scores, but I bet he
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 17: plays a lot and gets a lot of touches.
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  Speaker 7: All right.
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 5: Which quarterback would you rather have in the blind stat comparison?
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  Speaker 8: 1,750 yards.
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  Speaker 5: In the passing game, 63% completion, 336 rush yards on 4.2
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  Speaker 5: per carry, 20 total touchdowns, four turnovers.
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  Speaker 4: So that's option A.
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  Speaker 5: Option B is 1,876 pass yards, 70% completion, 393 rush
• 2:32:54
  Speaker 5: yards on 4.7 yards per carry, 23 total touchdowns, nine turnovers.
• 2:33:00
  Speaker 5: I'm going to say A because A is Devin, right?
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  Speaker 7: Incorrect.
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  Speaker 3: Are you serious?
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 4: A is Bear.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I thought Devin had less turnovers than Bear.
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  Speaker 5: No, Devin has two lost fumbles and seven interceptions. Bear Bachmeier,
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 5: no fumbles, four interceptions. Well, then definitely B.
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 4: You'd rather have B.
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  Speaker 17: Because that's Devin. I honestly would rather have Devin right now.
• 2:33:36
  Speaker 17: It's not a knock on Bear. I think the growth
• 2:33:38
  Speaker 17: and evolution of what we've seen from Devin, perfect first
• 2:33:41
  Speaker 17: half of football in Cincinnati. His growth continues to be amazing,
• 2:33:46
  Speaker 17: and this is his first year under Kevin McGiven and look,
• 2:33:49
  Speaker 17: bear's awesome. You can't spin it any other way, but
• 2:33:52
  Speaker 17: with the way Devin's playing right now, give me Devin Dampier.
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  Speaker 5: Also, we've been doing it by room in the blind
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 5: stack comparison. There's no other quarterback in the BYU room.
• 2:34:01
  Speaker 5: That's done anything, right? You get a three extra, three
• 2:34:04
  Speaker 5: extra touchdowns from bird this year. So B was winning
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 5: until the BYU fans got into it. And now it's
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 5: 52% favoring quarterback a BYU 48%.
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  Speaker 4: For quarterback B for those who are wondering.
• 2:34:18
  Speaker 17: Before you, before you get out of here, we need
• 2:34:21
  Speaker 17: to underscore that you have tickets to this game to
• 2:34:24
  Speaker 17: give away tomorrow.
• 2:34:25
  Speaker 4: Correct. We're going to, here's what we're going to do.
• 2:34:27
  Speaker 5: So Pepsi does this thing on our Friday Smith's remotes,
• 2:34:30
  Speaker 5: where if you come in and you purchase Pepsi products,
• 2:34:34
  Speaker 5: you are eligible to win some tickets.
• 2:34:36
  Speaker 4: You got to spend.
• 2:34:36
  Speaker 5: 30 bucks, 35 bucks on Pepsi products.
• 2:34:39
  Speaker 4: And then you show us your receipt.
• 2:34:41
  Speaker 5: We hand you a pair of tickets, these tickets, a
• 2:34:44
  Speaker 5: pair of tickets to this game or it's a thousand bucks.
• 2:34:47
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 2:34:48
  Speaker 5: So what we're going to do is I'm going to
• 2:34:50
  Speaker 5: give them away at 1230. We're going to start the
• 2:34:53
  Speaker 5: daily dump, giving away these tickets. If you want to
• 2:34:55
  Speaker 5: win them, we're at the Smith's marketplace downtown. And we're
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 5: going to do the same thing. It's a Pepsi requirement.
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 5: You got to have a receipt that you bought some
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 5: Pepsi products and you're going to stand in front of
• 2:35:06
  Speaker 5: the table and I'm going to ask you a trivia question.
• 2:35:09
  Speaker 5: And if you get the answer without Googling. The first
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 5: person to shout it out, gets the tickets. That's how
• 2:35:16
  Speaker 5: we're doing this thing.
• 2:35:17
  Speaker 3: That's going to be a scene.
• 2:35:19
  Speaker 4: It's going to be a scene, but it's BYU Utah tickets.
• 2:35:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:35:22
  Speaker 5: I have a brother-in-law who played. He had a similar trajectory.
• 2:35:26
  Speaker 5: He was a walk on, on the team.
• 2:35:27
  Speaker 4: He can't get tickets.
• 2:35:28
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 2:35:29
  Speaker 4: He's like, can I win those tickets?
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 3: I was like, no, you can't.
• 2:35:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 2:35:32
  Speaker 4: But anyway, it's like, these are hard to get.
• 2:35:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely.
• 2:35:36
  Speaker 5: So we're not, you don't just get to walk in
• 2:35:37
  Speaker 5: and grab them this time. We have tailgate passes. You
• 2:35:40
  Speaker 5: can just walk in and grab them. We have Smith's
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 5: gift cards. You can walk in and grab them. One
• 2:35:43
  Speaker 5: pair of BYU Utah tickets that we're going to give away.
• 2:35:46
  Speaker 5: We're going to do it at 1230 on the show tomorrow.
• 2:35:49
  Speaker 5: So to be clear, it's when you start the dump.
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 4: When I begin the daily dump.
• 2:35:53
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 2:35:54
  Speaker 10: All right.
• 2:35:54
  Speaker 3: It's my favorite segment.
• 2:35:55
  Speaker 4: The first thing I jump out will be tickets.
• 2:35:57
  Speaker 3: I love that. And it's going to be an epic
• 2:35:59
  Speaker 3: airing of grievances tomorrow.
• 2:36:01
  Speaker 17: I hate that we don't have crosstalk on Friday is
• 2:36:03
  Speaker 17: my favorite crosstalk because it's the airing of grievances.
• 2:36:06
  Speaker 8: Correct.
• 2:36:06
  Speaker 17: Unfortunately, we will not be able to do that because
• 2:36:09
  Speaker 17: you're ditching me. You're being rude and you're going on remote.
• 2:36:12
  Speaker 4: You could come by Smith's if you'd like.
• 2:36:14
  Speaker 3: I had how I have to do this.
• 2:36:17
  Speaker 4: You don't.
• 2:36:18
  Speaker 5: Porter can't hold it down for 15 minutes for you
• 2:36:21
  Speaker 5: to get from the downtown Smith's to here.
• 2:36:22
  Speaker 2: Come on.
• 2:36:23
  Speaker 3: I probably could.
• 2:36:24
  Speaker 17: Porter, are you willing to do the show tomorrow so
• 2:36:26
  Speaker 17: I can hang out with Sean at Smith's?
• 2:36:29
  Speaker 4: Porter says yes.
• 2:36:30
  Speaker 3: Okay, sweet.
• 2:36:30
  Speaker 8: See you tomorrow.
• 2:36:31
  Speaker 4: Stay tuned for The Drive. It's the Sean O'Connell Show
• 2:36:34
  Speaker 4: on ESPN 700 and 92 on FM.