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We Found the Best Forgotten 90s Films · Meet Your Double Feature | Movie Reviews & Forgotten Films

• 0:09
  Hello and welcome to Meet Your Double Feature.
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  My name is Thomas, joined as always by my brother Frank.
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  Frank, how's it going? Excited.
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  Excited. For the recap, is that what this
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  is? Excited for the recap?
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  That is what this is. I'm also excited.
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  If you've been listening to our show so far, you'll know that we
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  just finished our first season talking about forgotten films of
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  the 1990s, and in doing so we have reviewed 24 individual
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  films between the two of us in just under six months, which is
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  kind of nuts to be honest. Pretty cool, Pretty cool.
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  Pretty cool. And So what we're doing for
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  tonight's episode is both for people who've been here all
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  along or maybe anybody who this is their first time listening,
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  we're just going to recap what Season 1 has been about, revisit
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  our thoughts from each pair of films that we've discussed, see
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  if our opinions on any of them have changed in any significant
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  way. I can tease that, Frank, I think
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  you and I have both now gone back and watched one of the
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  movies that we asked the other person to watch.
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  So there's at least a couple on this list that we have both seen
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  and can compare notes on for for once.
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  Oh yeah, yeah, that is true. I I've only watched one of the
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  of the ones that I. Recommend for you something
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  that's always been a thing with us, even before we did this show
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  is like, if I know a movie is good, sometimes I'll be like,
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  Frank already saw this, so I'll just check it off in my head as
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  well, which doesn't make any sense, but that's just how we've
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  operated. Goes in the the shared databank.
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  Shared Databank, which is what this is going to be because
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  we've also, or I've also decided to rank all of the movies based
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  on the individual scores We gave each one out of 10.
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  So that in summary, we'll essentially have our own list of
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  like the top 24 underrated films of the 1990s, which is in a very
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  specific list that I don't think anybody's ever looked for, but
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  they have it now. You you have those scores in
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  front of you because I don't have them handy so.
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  I have. We're going to talk about each
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  pair of movies in the order that the episodes came out as a way
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  for us to trace both the history of our conversation and just the
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  history of the first season of us making Meet Your Double
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  feature. But as we go, especially if
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  you're watching on YouTube with the video version, I'll be
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  updating graphics throughout showing the actual leaderboard
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  based on the scores that we gave at the time.
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  We do have a pretty clear #1 only one movie in this entire
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  list got a 10 out of 10 score from whichever of us reviewed
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  it, so stay tuned for that in case you have not already seen
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  which one that is. I know.
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  Oh yeah, Frank, remember? I was there.
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  All right, so I guess Frank, we'll just move straight in with
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  the two films that we talked about in our premiere episode,
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  Meet Your Double Features Season 1 Episode 1, which I think for a
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  long time in my notes was just called the pilot.
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  That was where we talked about, well, I guess I'll let you go
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  first. What was the first movie I asked
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  you to review for the show? Well, the the title of that
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  episode is a title is important, which I like as like the sort of
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  pilot episode title. So I'll just throw that out
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  there. I like that.
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  I was, I was naming the early episodes based on things we
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  actually said in the episode, because you say at one point
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  talking about your film, a title is important.
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  And I just thought that that struck me right away when when
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  listening back, it's like, Oh yeah, that's it.
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  That's our pilot. Yeah, that's cool.
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  That's cool, and it was because I was talking about the somewhat
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  odd title of the film, Welcome Home Roxy Carmichael, which in
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  hindsight was a really interesting one to talk about
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  for the first episode. Possibly the weirdest movie on
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  this list, like the most unknown.
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  I've still to this day never seen anybody say a word either
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  way about this movie, even though it has multiple like
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  recognizable names in it. Yeah, that's a good point.
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  I mean, like I, I don't have much to to say to revisit with
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  Roxy Carmichael, but it it is reminding me of something
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  completely unrelated in a way. Before we begin something
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  totally different. Completely.
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  Well, no, it ties in because it's the title.
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  You know, I was like, I, I thought this one was an odd
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  title. I remember positing at the time
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  that that might have been part of the reason that it it was
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  somewhat forgotten. It kind of fell in between the
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  cracks of this era. But I just went to go see at the
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  Academy Museum, they'll sometimes do screenings here in
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  LA. And just yesterday I went to go
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  see the screening of Home Alone and Macaulay Culkin and the
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  director, the director, Chris Columbus were there.
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  But I noticed while watching that movie that that that one of
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  the actresses playing Kevin Mcallister's sisters in that
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  movie was played by Hilary Wolf, who you and I have a familiarity
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  with because of that movie. Step kids.
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  Yeah, I think, I'll be honest, I don't think it made it.
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  We talked about Step Kids in an episode in season 1, but I think
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  I cut it for time so people wouldn't have heard that yet.
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  But that's interesting. Was a movie that we kept seeing
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  the trailer for growing up because it was on the VHS of
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  Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2 Secret of the Use.
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  So anytime we wanted to watch that, we had to Fast forward
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  through the trailer for Step Kids, which I guess in its
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  original incarnation or no, originally it was called Step
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  Kids, but then by the time it released had like a really
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  weird, different title, right? And that's that's why I'm
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  bringing it up because it it's probably one of the worst movie
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  titles I've ever seen. Honestly, it's so bad.
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  It's like in the trailer that we saw it was titled Step Kids,
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  which is fine, but then it was retitled upon release to Big
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  Girls Don't Cry ellipses. They get even, which is just
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  like, yeah, I mean this. Is just in the middle.
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  That's egregious. Yeah, exactly.
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  I mean, this is like I I always joke about like panic at the
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  disco type song titles where it's just like a long run on
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  sentence almost. And like with the whole title's
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  important that we, you know, we talked about in the first
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  episode that just reminded me of this one.
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  And this, I think, is probably the front runner in terms of
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  like, maybe worst movie title I've ever seen.
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  So that's just what that first episode reminded me of.
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  So Roxy Carmichael's not the worst title you've ever seen,
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  but it's a similar problem. Yeah, yeah, I, I, I think that's
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  something I talked about Like, I, I thought Roxy Carmichael was
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  fine. Like, there's there's movies on
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  this list that, you know, especially with the scoring that
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  we did, where I would maybe go back and like, now that I've had
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  some time to reflect on him and seen, you know, several more
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  movies throughout the course of the season that I would look at
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  differently. Roxy Carmichael's probably not
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  one I would like revisit. You know, it's not when I would
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  go back and watch again. It was an interesting one to do
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  for the first episode to kind of like get our feet wet with this
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  concept. Yeah, because it's it's an
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  aggressively 90s movie. It's a type of movie that's not
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  made anymore. It seemed from what you said and
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  what I later saw in trailers to be very like visually, just
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  obviously a 90s film. And for the record, you did give
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  it because we decided from the beginning to do scores out of
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  10, even though as people outside of the show, we don't do
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  that. I think it's usually kind of
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  stupid, but you gave Roxy Carmichael a six out of 10.
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  Which I think it's fair. I think that's fair scoring.
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  And then, you know, as we go on, I, I, I think we've kind of had
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  to adjust our scoring system to to, you know, be more, I don't
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  know, it's difficult. It's a difficult thing to do to,
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  to kind of narrow something down, which like you said, is
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  why we don't normally do it. But I think that's a fair score
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  for Roxy Carmichael. This one, like I, I don't think
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  I'll be watching it again, but it was fine.
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  It was. It was.
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  Yeah, it has Winona Ryder in a post Beetlejuice pre anything
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  else kind of role because she was like in a lot of stuff in
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  the 90s and then dropped off for a while and came back way later
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  as the Mom and Stranger Things. But it's funny to see something
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  from her peak era in the 90s, her first peak, that most people
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  probably would have no idea exists.
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  Yeah, I mean, if you're a big Winona Ryder fan, this would
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  probably be 1 worth. Checking out if you're Winona.
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  Ride or die, if you will. Get out, get out, all right.
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  You're done. But I had a sound effect of a
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  door slamming. Yeah.
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  Welcome home, Roxy Carmichael, 6 out of 10 again.
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  You can hear about that in our first episode.
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  It is interesting. I went back and listened to some
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  of our first episode recently. At the time of recording, we
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  just finished and released episode 11, so the second to
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  last for Season 1. Listening to the first one's
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  crazy because I have a background and you and I both
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  have backgrounds in like media production and broadcasting and
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  film and all this other stuff. But I never sat down and tried
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  to just like do a full audio edit before.
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  And it's immediately episode one has landed in that territory
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  that a lot of creatives get into where they're like, can I just
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  delete the first several things we released because you, you
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  like figure out things later that you end up sticking with
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  that become more of like your template.
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  And you just go back and you're like, God, I wish I could do
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  this again. Can I do like a 20th anniversary
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  remaster for that episode when we get to it?
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  Maybe, yeah, maybe we'll maybe. Oh, that'll be fun.
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  What if we like redid it and then just each watched the other
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  movie? Like you had to talk about Roxy
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  Carmichael and then and. That would be actually really
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  fun. Write that down.
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  Play, play the door slam again, and then write that down.
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  Yeah. Pivoting to the other film we
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  talked about in episode 1, so their first review, Welcome
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  home, Roxy Carmichael. I asked Frank to watch that.
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  He gave it a six out of 10. You asked me to watch Pump Up
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  the Volume from 1990 starring Christian Slater as a pirate
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  radio DJ. High school boy.
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  Yep. I was trying to put that all
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  into one sentence, but it's kind of A2 sentence summary.
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  He has a disaffected teen in a fairly well off neighborhood in
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  California in the 90s who starts an underground radio station
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  where he like speaks truth to power and kind of riles up all
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  the kids in his school to deal with, you know, the problems of
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  society in their time as well as like a villainous school
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  administration. I gave pump up the volume an 8
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  out of 10 when we first watched it.
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  This is 1 where given how we sort of honed in on our scoring
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  process later, I would probably actually rank a little bit
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  higher, maybe like a nine. Oh I I didn't even remember that
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  you gave it an 8. That's that's seems high for
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  what I remember you saying about this movie.
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  It's interesting. Like I think early on I wasn't
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  certain if a 10 out of 10 movie was like, reserved for the best,
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  you know? Does it have to be like Lord of
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  the Rings or Citizen Kane to get out of 10 out of 10?
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  Or does it just need to be the best version of itself?
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  Like, there's no way Welcome home, Roxy Carmichael could be a
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  10 out of 10 if the bar is that high.
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  So I think over time it became more of like, is this the
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  perfect version of what this movie wanted to be?
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  And I think that Pump Up the Volume was a very effective
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  comedy drama that is really fun to revisit as a time capsule of
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  the early 90s and features some surprisingly good performances.
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  I think the only things I really knocked it for were that
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  Christian Slater's character as this sort of prophet of the
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  people who's trying to, like, explain what's wrong with the
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  world they're all in, wasn't like specific enough.
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  Like, he didn't have anything really moving to say.
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  But in retrospect, that's like almost the point.
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  He's a child. Like, of course, he doesn't
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  really have the answers to any of this.
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  He's kind of putting it on the audience and his actual audience
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  in the story as like, we just all need to have the
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  conversation. I don't know the answers, but we
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  just need to try harder. So I don't know that I feel as
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  strongly about that criticism. That's why I maybe would bump it
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  to like a nine. Sure.
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  Yeah. And I mean, that almost sounds
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  like a case where there's a difference between what, like
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  the character in the context of the story is trying to say and
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  what the filmmaker is trying to say, like through those
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  characters, I guess. Yeah, I think I may be set too
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  high of an expectation for what that movie was supposed to be
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  doing, but it's just like a very fun 90s movie.
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  Again, like it's fun if you're specifically trying to kind of
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  submerge yourself in that atmosphere.
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  Both of these movies from our first episode are just peak 90s,
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  which is funny because they're turn of the decade and were
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  probably produced in 1989. Yeah, yeah, that's true.
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  I do wonder how many, like, I mean, you and I, especially
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  growing up in the 90s, are just such a fan of this era, like
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  that decade of of filmmaking. I wonder how many like big 90s
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  movies fans there are, though. A lot of people have a lot of
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  reference for like 80s films and 70s style filmmaking, 90s almost
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  like like a forgotten decade in a way in terms of filmmaking so.
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  That's that's a fairpoint. I would say that in, like the
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  broad strokes of film history, you can definitely point to
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  larger developments about, like, filmmaking as an art form and
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  how it changed in, like, the golden age Hollywood era and
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  then that 70s, like auteur period in the advent of the
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  blockbuster film. And then even by the end of the
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  90s, you're just starting to get into these, like, groundbreaking
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  VFX movies and what that was going to mean for cinema going
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  forward. But the 90s was kind of just
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  like a commercial peak. You know, it's like you had a
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  lot of fun movies that were sort of piggybacking off of
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  innovations that have come before them.
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  But yeah, I would say at that kind of high level view, there's
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  not as much innovation during that time.
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  But to your point, we were kids and so we just identify with it
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  pretty strongly. Yeah, yeah.
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  I'm just hoping there's a lot of other 90s movies fans out there
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  that will appreciate. People do, like, I think a lot
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  of people in America who grew up in the 90s have this like pride
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  about it because pop culture was kind of booming at the time.
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  In general, there was just a lot of color and imagination in a
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  lot of the pop culture exports of that time that people look
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  back on. It's like things were cool.
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  We had Toys-R-Us and $1.00 Mcchickens.
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  You know, we could do whatever we wanted.
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  We've also pointed it out before and, and I think even in some of
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  the movies we watched this season, like it was a common
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  thing to hear in that time period in like media, like it's
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  the 90s, you know, like that was such a like descriptive thing
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  you could say like. You could say that up until the
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  2000s, when the 2000s became both the decade and the century
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  and the Millennium, and it got really confusing.
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  But up until that, people would. I remember a line from like an
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  episode of The Simpsons where somebody's like, Marge, it's the
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  90s. And I'm like, God, I want to
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  bring that back because it's now we can do it.
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  I'm going to be like, hey, it's the 20s.
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  You know, that thing that predated one of the largest
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  economic crashes. And then they cut me off and
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  slammed the door again. I think that type of language,
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  and this is piggybacking off something I heard from, I think
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  it was Adam Conover, his podcast that I'm a fan of, but that type
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  of language has been replaced by generational language.
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  Like, now we talk about, you know, Boomers and Millennials
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  and Gen. Z, and it's like that type of
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  language has replaced the, like, sort of shared decade
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  experience. I guess that's because up
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  through the 90s, when the Internet was still in its
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  infancy, there was more of like a monoculture in the world.
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  People were more collectively shaped by things that were
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  trending and popular, and that funnel of what was popular was a
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  lot narrower and dictated by like what made it to the
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  newspapers and what was on TV. Where is now?
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  It's harder to define yourself based on that narrow of a window
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  of time because like my 20 tens could be so radically different
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  from someone else's that it's easier to be like, well, were
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  you born around this time? Because at least if you're a
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  kid, in the same span of years, you might have had more of a
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  shared experience. Yeah, that.
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  Yeah, exactly. And I think that's maybe why I
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  guess I was such a big fan or, or, or just really am a big fan
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  of films of this era. Because even if it's like, like
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  all of these were like 90s movies that you and I had not
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  seen before, but they still had a real sense of familiarity to
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  them because of the films that were a part of that monoculture.
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  You know, they felt similar to those to that shared experience
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  we had with a lot of other people.
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  So yeah, I, I that's like there's a weird like nostalgia
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  for, for stuff you haven't even seen before.
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  Yeah, that's a good way to put it.
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  Like as soon as pop up, the volume starts.
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  I'm like, I've never seen a frame of this movie, but it
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  feels really cozy as soon as it begins, which was kind of a
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  theme with a lot of what we watched.
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  Which reminds me, we just did about 20 minutes on the first
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  episode, and we have 11 more. So we're going to move on to our
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  discussions from episode 2 of our podcast, where because we
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  flip who goes 1st every time. I gave the first review.
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  Frank, you asked me to watch 1998 A Simple Plan from Sam
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  Raimi. This was probably our least
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  jokey review we've done all season.
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  It was such a like, straightforward, like, yeah,
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  movie is pretty good. Here's why.
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  It's not funny. Not funny, nothing funny about
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  it. I think I thought it was funny
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  because at one point someone gets killed with a shotgun and
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  Sam Raimi made the body go like flying into the ceiling in a
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  kind of like cartoonish manner. And that stood out to me because
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  of how much it felt at odds with the rest of the movie.
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  But overall, A Simple Plan is a very like serious kind of
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  Twilight Zone esque story about a group of men, a couple of whom
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  are very poor and in need of a change in their life.
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  They come across a bunch of money in the woods and they end
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  up spending the film trying to grapple with the moral dilemma
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  of like, whose money is this? Is it safe for us to take it?
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  Is it right for us to take it? And the natural consequences of
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  that, which ends with several murders.
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  So it's a good, solid movie. It has sort of faded from my
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  memory since watching it, which is that intangible we talked
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  about with the forgotten 90s films, Like why are we not still
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  talking about A simple plan? And I think in this case, a lot
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  of it's maybe because the film felt so strongly like a book
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  adaptation. This is where we really
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  solidified our time to book realization theory.
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  Yeah. I don't know.
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  It just, it's a great movie. I felt a little underwhelmed by
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  the ending, which maybe that's another part of it too.
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  If it didn't end on a strong note, it's easier to kind of
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  like put it behind you. I remember you were like, my
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  memory is that was one of your biggest criticisms is, is how
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  the movie ended and how it kind of missed this sort of easy or
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  like narratively fulfilling off ramps and just kind of went for
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  something that just didn't land at all.
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  It went for the simplest off ramp and then still the off ramp
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  was too long. Like the movie with the ending
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  it chose to go with by being a little bit more straightforward
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  needed to wrap itself up sooner than it did.
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  So it just kind of drags. And I think the a simple plan
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  was on track to be a 10 out of 10 with our revised scoring
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  system of like, is this the best movie it can be?
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  And instead I dropped it down to an 8 because I was so frustrated
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  by that last like 20 minutes. So, interesting point in the
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  race to fall apart, but it kind of did.
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  You gave both of the 1st movies I recommended to you like high
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  scores. What?
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  What happened? You just started.
• 18:57
  You got more critical after that you just started.
• 18:59
  What happened? What happened to you?
• 19:01
  You started picking the worst. Movies.
• 19:03
  No, these are blind pics. Yeah, well, pick blind better.
• 19:07
  That's the premise, Yeah. At the end of episode 2, 'cause
• 19:11
  we started keeping track of the total scores.
• 19:14
  So like the first movie, I gave yours an 8.
• 19:16
  The second movie I picked, I gave you an 8.
• 19:17
  So at that point you had a 16 out of 20, and we ended up with
• 19:20
  scores out of a total possible of like 120.
• 19:24
  And you were so far in the lead at the beginning that it was
• 19:27
  pretty funny that it completely flipped.
• 19:29
  And then right before the end we were like almost neck and neck
• 19:31
  again. It's a tight race.
• 19:33
  Yeah, yeah. So what was your what was your
• 19:36
  second movie? He's thinking about it.
• 19:41
  It was your favorite movie? The Grifters.
• 19:43
  Oh, the grifters. Yeah, Yeah.
• 19:48
  I've, I've brought this movie up throughout the entire season
• 19:50
  jokingly as like the low point in terms of like films.
• 19:56
  I I've forgotten. It was the second one of the
• 19:58
  season. I just did not care for this
• 20:01
  movie at all. It it almost, I almost have like
• 20:05
  a weird fondness for it now, in terms of like how much I've
• 20:08
  ragged on it. But it was oddly unpleasant.
• 20:11
  And I remember my biggest take away was just that like visually
• 20:17
  and tonally and in terms of the pacing, it felt like it was like
• 20:24
  if you took like a great crime movie, like a Scorsese type film
• 20:31
  and just like stripped all of the flavor and filmmaking
• 20:35
  expertise away and like cinematography, it just didn't
• 20:39
  have any of that, you know, it was just like, it just had this
• 20:43
  blandness to it that that made everything that was happening
• 20:46
  even more uncomfortable and kind of dull, kind of dull.
• 20:50
  It's interesting that you bring up Scorsese because I think he
• 20:53
  was listed as a producer, so he had some contribution to the
• 20:56
  film, but absolutely was not in the chair for this one.
• 20:59
  I think it was a Stephen Frears movie I did actually.
• 21:05
  So I was, I was doing some, some holiday shopping because it's in
• 21:08
  December still when I'm recording this.
• 21:10
  And I was looking at the yearly like Criterion Collection DVD
• 21:14
  sale because I wanted to pick up a few things.
• 21:17
  And I nearly as a joke, bought you the 4K Grifters Criterion
• 21:21
  Collection DVD because I just thought it'd be really funny.
• 21:25
  That's, I mean, that is funny, that's interesting that it's in
• 21:28
  the Criterion Collection, honestly, because I, I did have
• 21:31
  that movie. It is, it is.
• 21:33
  And I, it, it's interesting when you find yourself at sort of
• 21:37
  that impasse where it's a film that is very critically well
• 21:40
  received. And I think often times if it's
• 21:44
  something that's critically well received or really popular, I
• 21:47
  can usually understand why to an extent, but just recognize like,
• 21:52
  maybe this just didn't click for me.
• 21:54
  And I can kind of see that with grifters.
• 21:55
  But at the same time, I'm like, I really don't get it.
• 21:58
  I I don't think this is a good film like And so it, it does
• 22:03
  baffle me a bit that it does have such high critical acclaim.
• 22:07
  It is funny like the nature of our format, the idea that we
• 22:11
  pick a movie that we think will be good but that we can't verify
• 22:14
  because we haven't seen it and know as little as possible leads
• 22:17
  to these like weird impasses where you you can't really be
• 22:20
  affected by like, well, I have to say it's good because other
• 22:23
  people like it or vice versa. You get kind of an authentic
• 22:26
  experience watching the movie because you just aren't always
• 22:29
  certain if even it's popular or not.
• 22:31
  I thought Grifters would be a win because it's the person
• 22:34
  selecting it. I saw that it had good critical
• 22:36
  reviews, so it was really funny to me in recording that episode.
• 22:39
  How much you disliked it? Yeah, I mean that's that's part
• 22:42
  of the fun of the show though. Like I people talk about a lot
• 22:46
  the like so bad it's good movies and it it's interesting slash
• 22:52
  disappointing when a movie falls just short of like crossing that
• 22:58
  that line into being so bad it's good and winds up just being so
• 23:02
  bad. Like so bad, so bad.
• 23:04
  It stinks. It's so bad, it's it's bad.
• 23:09
  But yeah, I mean that's you know, like I said, that's part
• 23:11
  of the fun of the show. So.
• 23:13
  The other funny thing is that for the most part, as we
• 23:15
  mentioned, after recommending that the other host watch a
• 23:17
  movie, we often do not go back and check out the movie
• 23:19
  ourselves. So my entire concept of grifters
• 23:23
  is just what you told me in the review, and I'll probably never
• 23:26
  watch the movie, but I cannot ever forget talking about John
• 23:30
  Cusack's really low return grifs where he'd spend like 30 minutes
• 23:35
  and risk his life to to steal like $4 from somebody.
• 23:39
  Dude, it was like less than that.
• 23:40
  He was stealing like quarters off people.
• 23:42
  Like it was. It was ridiculous.
• 23:45
  Like, like, if that character was around right now, he'd be
• 23:48
  trying to take advantage of them, like taking the penny out
• 23:51
  of production in the US And he'd be like, how do I get
• 23:54
  everybody's extra pennies and I can turn them into Dimes?
• 23:57
  That's that's too big of a grift for him though man, that was his
• 23:59
  whole thing is no big grifs. No big griffs.
• 24:02
  He's like, I'm going to make less than minimum wage doing
• 24:05
  deceptive. It's like go to go get a part
• 24:07
  time job, Mr. Tusa. And then the the movie almost
• 24:11
  didn't even deliver on something.
• 24:13
  It was promising in a way, because a big thing in that
• 24:15
  movie was his girlfriend was trying to convince him to do
• 24:22
  like a big grift. And then the story never gets to
• 24:25
  that point. They get interrupted before
• 24:27
  then, you know, because characters start dying and
• 24:30
  there's only there's only three main characters.
• 24:33
  So like that was a whole thing for his character was like, I, I
• 24:37
  only do the small time stuff. I'm not going to do any big
• 24:39
  stuff. And like through flashbacks, you
• 24:42
  see the type of bigger griffs that she had done.
• 24:46
  But in terms of these characters like, they never get to that
• 24:49
  point even, which is. That's weird.
• 24:52
  Yeah. That makes me picture like an
• 24:54
  Ocean's 11 style movie where you spend the first two acts
• 24:57
  plotting out of heist, but then instead of doing the heist they
• 24:59
  just all die and it never happens.
• 25:01
  Yeah, yeah. Or they're just like, man, that
• 25:03
  that would be hard. Let's not do that like.
• 25:05
  Turns out bank fault, no matter how much montage editing we do,
• 25:09
  can't get in there. Can't get in there, can't man
• 25:11
  mantage our way around that one. Can't mantage our way in.
• 25:15
  Yeah. So Grifters is the worst.
• 25:17
  Surprisingly not the lowest rated movie of the year.
• 25:20
  You gave it at the time a three out of 10, although you did tell
• 25:23
  me later you wish you'd scored it lower.
• 25:26
  Yeah, yeah, I mean it, well, it's it's like I said that that
• 25:29
  I joked about this one so much because it it became like the
• 25:31
  basement, you know, it became like the floor in terms of
• 25:34
  scoring. And three felt harsh at the
• 25:37
  time. I mean, yeah, in hindsight,
• 25:41
  maybe it's a 2, like going below A2.
• 25:43
  We've talked about this recently too, that that would be really,
• 25:47
  really it would have to be a offensive, like actually
• 25:51
  offensive, I think to score than A2.
• 25:54
  Yeah, we did mention, like, if you go that low, you're so much
• 25:58
  more likely to come back around the other side Pac-Man style,
• 26:01
  and just end up at the top instead because you've made
• 26:03
  like, avant-garde art. Totally, Yeah, totally this.
• 26:06
  The so bad it's good. The so bad, it's really good,
• 26:09
  Yeah. Grifters decided to stay in
• 26:11
  Slain so bad it's bad. OK, moving from there into our
• 26:15
  third episode, I'll call this, for the Super fans out there,
• 26:19
  maybe our most underrated episode in that it is literally
• 26:23
  been consumed by the least people.
• 26:28
  Just coincidentally, just looking at our metrics, I think
• 26:30
  fewer people saw this one. And I think it's because I gave
• 26:32
  it sort of a bad title. I was still trying to figure out
• 26:35
  titles at this point, and I thought it would be funny to try
• 26:38
  to like, combine elements of both movies as if it was the
• 26:41
  title of one big movie. So our two films for Episode 3,
• 26:45
  I, in an attempt to rebound from a horrible pic with grifters,
• 26:48
  asked you to watch a Japanese Kaiju film called Gamera
• 26:51
  Guardian of the Universe. And you asked me to watch an
• 26:54
  ensemble cast comedy film called Soap Dish about a soap opera
• 26:59
  production. And so I called the episode
• 27:01
  something like Soap Opera Digest.
• 27:03
  Did like in parentheses 'cause I was like digested cause Gamera
• 27:08
  ate him and then after that came out I was like nobody's
• 27:10
  following my logic with this at all.
• 27:13
  I got it. I understood so.
• 27:15
  Frank got it. So maybe some people will get
• 27:18
  it. But yeah, that's my that's
• 27:20
  probably my worst promotional job.
• 27:21
  Was was that title for that third episode?
• 27:25
  I guess if this was the third one, then you went first with
• 27:28
  the reviews. So we'll Frank, we'll go
• 27:29
  straight in. Tell me, tell me a little bit
• 27:31
  about Gamera. Well, I mean spoilers for what
• 27:34
  you teased at the beginning. This is the movie I gave a 10
• 27:37
  out of 10. Heck yeah it is.
• 27:39
  Yeah, it was the only the only one of the season that got a
• 27:42
  perfect score. And I'll, I'll stand by that,
• 27:46
  honestly, like Gamera was just a blast and no pun intended and.
• 27:52
  I don't get it put it in the table.
• 27:55
  Because he ate them. You get it.
• 27:57
  Because he ate them. Play the door slam again.
• 28:01
  You're going to have to actually find that sound effect.
• 28:04
  I know I hate, I hate this bit where me in the recordings gives
• 28:07
  myself work to do in post production as a joke.
• 28:10
  Because, like, this guy's a jerk.
• 28:12
  This guy's the worst. I'm going to be awake at 2:00 in
• 28:13
  the morning the day before this is supposed to go out like door
• 28:17
  slam effect. What?
• 28:20
  But yeah, anyway, Gamera was like you said it.
• 28:26
  It was that example of a film that was a 10 out of 10 in what
• 28:32
  it was trying to be it it was sort of a peak piece of that
• 28:39
  genre of filmmaking of like Kaiju filmmaking.
• 28:44
  I don't remember that what it's called now, but I during the
• 28:47
  episode we talked about there's, there's sort of a broader
• 28:50
  umbrella term that that type of filmmaking falls under.
• 28:53
  Oh, is it like tokosatsu or something like that?
• 28:56
  Yeah, yeah. I think so that, that, that,
• 28:58
  that sounds right. But yeah, yeah.
• 29:01
  So I mean, I really had, like, almost nothing but positive
• 29:04
  things to say about the film, which is funny.
• 29:07
  I would think, like, if somebody were to watch it and be like,
• 29:11
  what the heck, This is their 10 out of 10 film.
• 29:14
  It's a guy in a costume, like running around like, you know?
• 29:18
  That was the whole thing we talked about was like the
• 29:20
  cultural context in Japan where there's been 6,000,000 Godzilla
• 29:25
  movies and also like the Power Rangers shows and all those.
• 29:29
  I mean, Super Sentai in Japan and everything else in that
• 29:31
  genre, there's just a general acceptance of a type of
• 29:35
  filmmaking where you just put a guy in a rubber suit and say
• 29:37
  he's Godzilla. But like everything in the movie
• 29:40
  was self serious and that's what allows it to still work as like
• 29:44
  a somewhat dramatic piece of filmmaking.
• 29:47
  It's like an intentional sort of contrast that if you open
• 29:51
  yourself up to, I think it'd be really fun.
• 29:53
  Yeah, and it looked great in its own way too.
• 29:56
  I mean, it it's it had really strong cinematography.
• 29:59
  Like the scenes outside of the Kaiju action looked good and and
• 30:05
  the Kaiju action sequences looks good too.
• 30:07
  I I remember praising like one shot in particular that like I
• 30:11
  think they achieved something visually that had like a really
• 30:14
  grand scale to it. And like was just a super cool
• 30:18
  looking shot, like something you would almost expect out of like.
• 30:20
  I compared it a lot to like the first Jurassic Park film because
• 30:24
  it came out around the same time.
• 30:26
  And just visually there's a huge contrast between those two.
• 30:30
  So yeah, I think I think it it, it almost feels like a film from
• 30:34
  an older era because it's using like a style of filmmaking that
• 30:39
  like way predates the 90s, but this was almost like the peak
• 30:43
  version of that because it was made in in that era.
• 30:47
  Which is what we kept saying about the 90s in general, is it
• 30:50
  felt like the culmination of a bunch of filmmaking norms that
• 30:55
  were about to all be disrupted. Like there was so many things
• 30:59
  that you would do a certain way that became immediately outmoded
• 31:02
  by some sort of computer effects alternative that watching
• 31:06
  something like Camera, I imagine still haven't seen.
• 31:08
  It is really rewarding for Someone Like You who he is a
• 31:11
  filmmaker and appreciates, like the artistry that goes into
• 31:15
  putting something obviously fake on top of something obviously
• 31:18
  real and trying to find a way to make those things blend.
• 31:21
  Yeah, absolutely. I that I think was a big part of
• 31:24
  me was just appreciating the production value and the
• 31:27
  production elements that went into making this movie.
• 31:30
  And it just felt so genuine because of that, you know, it it
• 31:35
  it felt like a, I don't know, like a labor of love in a way to
• 31:40
  to make Gamera. So yeah, I stand by that.
• 31:43
  That's that's a 10 out of 10 for this season.
• 31:46
  Gamera was was great. That that is 1.
• 31:48
  I would rewatch again. 10 out of 10 would watch again.
• 31:52
  Gamera Yeah, yeah. Exactly.
• 31:54
  I'll be updating this visually for those watching on the
• 31:57
  YouTube version as we go. I'm going to populate each film
• 32:00
  in the spot that it ended up in, in an actual like leaderboard of
• 32:04
  the top 24 forgotten 90s movies. So you'll notice the Gamera now
• 32:07
  holds the top spot and will for the remainder of the discussion.
• 32:10
  It is apparently the most underrated forgotten film of the
• 32:14
  1990s. Yeah, it's it's almost like
• 32:17
  cheating because it's so hyper specific and what type of film
• 32:20
  that it is. But yeah, I just like no notes,
• 32:25
  no notes for Gamera. I can't.
• 32:26
  No notes. It was a short that was also our
• 32:28
  shortest episode, and I think part of it was for that reason.
• 32:30
  Gamera really was like, what all do you need me to say if the
• 32:34
  movie's this good? So that was Gamera.
• 32:38
  My film, as I mentioned briefly, was 1991's Soap Dish, which was
• 32:42
  something I've never heard of. I'd spent so many weeks at this
• 32:45
  point looking up 90s movies to, like, pitch for the show.
• 32:48
  Never saw anybody talk about Soap Dish.
• 32:50
  Really, really odd relic of that time because it's an ensemble
• 32:54
  cast with a lot of recognizable names, some of whom are, like,
• 32:59
  edited out of the movie and barely appear, others of whom
• 33:02
  give like, weirdly uninspired performances.
• 33:05
  And ultimately, the movie itself just feels like the people
• 33:08
  making it gave up on it. Like while making it.
• 33:10
  It's a comedy that's not funny. And what else do you need to
• 33:14
  say? Yeah, this, this is the one that
• 33:17
  I that I think I have forgotten the most about out of all the
• 33:21
  ones we've talked about. I guess like I don't, I remember
• 33:25
  you really didn't like it so. It's visually impressive at
• 33:29
  times. The whole thing is like a satire
• 33:33
  about the people producing a popular daytime soap opera and
• 33:36
  how their lives as characters become as overtly dramatic and
• 33:40
  silly as those of their soap opera character counterparts.
• 33:44
  And you do get some good performances in there too, like
• 33:47
  Kevin Klein's in it and he gives a really strong comedic
• 33:50
  performance. Like probably the only person in
• 33:52
  the movie to do anything genuinely laugh out loud funny.
• 33:54
  But everything else is so plotting and uninteresting, and
• 33:59
  the movie tries to take you on twists and turns, but just the
• 34:02
  final product doesn't feel like it was made by people who have
• 34:05
  an affinity for soaps, which I think would have made all the
• 34:08
  difference. It felt like the funny idea that
• 34:12
  they handed to somebody who didn't know enough to make
• 34:15
  authentic in any way. So it just kind of goes in one
• 34:18
  ear and out the other. And I think I even knocked an
• 34:20
  extra point off because I gave it a three out of 10.
• 34:22
  I knocked an extra point off for having like a trans panic
• 34:24
  ending, which as we talked about in that episode, was somewhat
• 34:27
  common in the 90s. Yeah, I, I think that was the
• 34:31
  reason I picked it was because I thought it was a funny sort of
• 34:34
  like sandbox to play in, in terms of like you can do a lot
• 34:37
  of entertaining things I would think about like a behind the
• 34:40
  scenes of a soap opera. But if you sort of have a
• 34:45
  reverence in a way for that genre of television which is so
• 34:49
  unique in its own way, like so, it feels like almost spiteful or
• 34:55
  hateful in a way the way that they handled it.
• 34:58
  It did not read as fun or it would like.
• 35:00
  It was like the people making it had fun talking about soaps.
• 35:04
  Like I think it was a great pick on your end as a blind
• 35:06
  recommendation because I, well, I've not, I've not worked in
• 35:10
  television, but I have worked in live event production for many
• 35:15
  years. I did that for a living.
• 35:17
  And there's so much like interesting, unique stuff about
• 35:20
  that kind of job, like the weird, fast-paced, so many
• 35:24
  moving pieces kind of roll where you're always on your feet and
• 35:27
  things are always going wrong and you're trying to fix them in
• 35:28
  real time. Those things can be so
• 35:30
  interesting, but this movie found a way to make them
• 35:34
  visually compelling but not interesting on the page.
• 35:37
  So Soapdish. Big disappointment.
• 35:39
  I gave it a three out of 10, which ended up leaving it in the
• 35:41
  same tier as the Grifters, but having only seen one, I don't
• 35:45
  know which one's actually worst. Yeah, and we're not going to
• 35:48
  find out because I don't think either of us want to rewatch
• 35:50
  either of those movies. No, that would be yeah, if we
• 35:53
  get to 1000 views, we'll watch The Grifters again.
• 35:58
  Now with that, we'll go on to episode 4 for Meet Your Double
• 36:01
  Feature, which I'll be honest, this is the first one we made
• 36:04
  that I thought like, this is our show.
• 36:07
  I felt like production wise, conversation wise, we really hit
• 36:11
  something with this one and I'm going to guess it's because we
• 36:13
  both picked silly action movies. Which is very much in our
• 36:17
  wheelhouse of films we appreciate.
• 36:19
  It's exactly what I think we both assumed we would be talking
• 36:22
  about when we pitched this as a premise because growing up,
• 36:25
  there was never an action movie we would pass up from that time
• 36:28
  period. You could just be like, hey, I
• 36:29
  got this goofy one. It's probably awful.
• 36:31
  We want to watch it anyway. And we'd be like, of course I
• 36:33
  do. And so, well, I was.
• 36:36
  Sorry, just to interject real quick.
• 36:37
  It was also the era of the action star, which I don't think
• 36:42
  exists in the same way now. Like even looking at the the
• 36:46
  leads of these two movies, we picked, you know, John Claude
• 36:48
  Van Damme and Kurt Russell. And I mean, you look at just the
• 36:54
  entire cast of like The Expendables films.
• 36:56
  And it was just like all of those guys were in multiple
• 37:00
  action franchise films and so many of them definitely bleed
• 37:05
  over from the 80s, but all the way throughout the 90s as well.
• 37:09
  Yes, they mostly inhabited those two.
• 37:11
  You did have some who came into their own more in the 90s, like
• 37:14
  Jean-Claude Van Damme, because that was my movie was Double
• 37:17
  Impact. His breakout role was
• 37:19
  Bloodsport, which was in the late 80s, but like the rest of
• 37:22
  his career peak was all in the 90s.
• 37:24
  So he came about later than like a Sylvester Stallone or a
• 37:27
  Schwarzenegger. But gosh, Double Impact is a
• 37:30
  weird one. I ended up giving it kind of a
• 37:33
  bad review. I gave it a four out of 10
• 37:35
  because it takes all of the things that should work for a
• 37:38
  Jean-Claude Van Damme the goofball action movie and just
• 37:42
  doesn't let them shine. I mean, he plays, he's supposed
• 37:45
  to play 2 characters even though he's not at this stage of his
• 37:48
  career, a very good actor that should be funny.
• 37:50
  Like we should have had like 2 really over the top performances
• 37:53
  just to make sure they felt different.
• 37:55
  And instead we get like, you know, Jean-Claude Van Damme and
• 37:58
  Jean-Claude Van Damme, but with his hair a different way.
• 38:02
  Yeah, yeah, this one, I didn't remember you scored this one a
• 38:08
  four out of 10 because I just remember having us having a
• 38:12
  really fun discussion about this movie.
• 38:14
  We got into a lot of a lot of bits about the 2 Jean Claude's
• 38:18
  and about their, like, differing lifestyle and how it ended with
• 38:21
  us trying to explain how one of them was going to get cancelled
• 38:25
  for being a homophobe because one of them is a homophobe in
• 38:27
  the movie and how it would affect his standing socially in
• 38:30
  a crime syndicate. Yeah.
• 38:31
  Oh yeah. Cancelled from the crime
• 38:33
  syndicate specifically. Like, that was the one thing
• 38:35
  they didn't stand for. Yeah.
• 38:38
  That's it. I double impact it.
• 38:40
  It didn't have enough martial arts, which was also a big like
• 38:43
  knock. Some of Jean Claude's movies
• 38:45
  from that time he seemingly tried to push more into like,
• 38:47
  I'm not just a karate guy. I'm just like a gun toting
• 38:50
  action star like a lot of my peers and he's like good enough
• 38:54
  at that, but it just always feels like an incomplete movie
• 38:56
  of his when it doesn't feature more interesting martial arts
• 39:00
  choreography on top of it. Well, I think that's also an
• 39:02
  interesting thing about this being the era of the action
• 39:05
  star, is that they were all, in a way, in competition with one
• 39:09
  another to an extent. Especially there was like a
• 39:13
  famous feud between Jean Claude and oh gosh, what's his name?
• 39:19
  Steven Seagal. Steven Seagal.
• 39:21
  Thank you. Yeah.
• 39:23
  And I think that probably, like directly affected the films that
• 39:28
  they made. Sometimes I remember, I don't
• 39:30
  remember exactly what movie it was, but there was like Arnold
• 39:33
  and and Stallone was like probably the the top feud of the
• 39:38
  era. That was your main event, you
• 39:40
  know, your world championship bouts.
• 39:42
  Totally, totally. And I remember there was like,
• 39:45
  I, I, I don't remember the, the details exactly, but like one of
• 39:48
  them like tricked the other into taking a role because like he
• 39:53
  made, I think it was like Stallone made Schwarzenegger
• 39:57
  think he was interested in the role even though it was like a
• 39:59
  dumb movie. And then Schwarzenegger took it
• 40:01
  just so that Stallone wouldn't have it.
• 40:03
  But like Stallone had like tricked him because he thought
• 40:05
  it was stupid in the 1st place like.
• 40:07
  Oh, yeah, I think it was the reverse.
• 40:09
  I think. Oh, OK, Stallone got tricked
• 40:12
  into appearing in a movie called Stop or My Mom Will Shoot, which
• 40:16
  was this, like, horrendous police action comedy movie that
• 40:21
  nobody liked. And it was exactly what you
• 40:22
  said. Schwarzenegger tricked him into
• 40:25
  taking it by acting like he was really gunning for the role.
• 40:27
  And Stallone was like, ah, I got one over on you.
• 40:28
  And then he was just in like a total flop movie, which is so
• 40:31
  funny because on paper, it's like, ah, it's just one movie.
• 40:34
  You make a lot. But it's like, you imagine
• 40:35
  having to go to work every day for months to shoot this stupid
• 40:39
  movie. Like, how far into production
• 40:41
  before Stallone do you think was like, wait a minute.
• 40:45
  Oh yeah. Well, it happens.
• 40:46
  I mean, you talked about that recently on the Our Pirate
• 40:50
  episode with I'm blanking on. That Rhode Island?
• 40:54
  Yes, and how she didn't want to be in that movie seemingly.
• 40:58
  And like, like you said, like production, you're there 12
• 41:02
  hours a day, like you got to show up.
• 41:04
  And if it's something that you really hate, like, I'd be
• 41:09
  interested to see that Stallone movie and see what kind of
• 41:12
  performance he gives. It is funny, yeah.
• 41:16
  Because you have to tap into real emotion to be an actor,
• 41:19
  even a action movie hero, you have to tap into some kind of
• 41:23
  emotion. And if you're feeling a really
• 41:25
  strong real emotion, sometimes that does come through on
• 41:28
  screen. So in that case, that might be
• 41:31
  funny to rewatch at some point for the sake of double impact.
• 41:35
  It's not like a terrible movie, but it is just the least
• 41:40
  interesting Jean Claude movie from that period that I've
• 41:42
  personally seen. There's nothing like terrible
• 41:45
  about it. It's certainly a step above
• 41:47
  something like Soap Dish or Grifters, but it's just like,
• 41:50
  watch anything else that he's made, you know?
• 41:53
  He makes entertaining films like This Is Not To Yeah, like I I've
• 41:57
  enjoyed quite a few Jean-Claude Van Damme films.
• 42:00
  I think they're fun in a very campy way usually.
• 42:03
  Go watch Lionheart. Lionheart's an underrated one.
• 42:06
  It's not Blood Sport, which is the obvious pick, but it's like
• 42:08
  a really solid movie that he stars in.
• 42:11
  Yeah, Lionheart's awesome. Yeah, I I think you actually
• 42:13
  recommended that one to me a while ago and and I checked it
• 42:15
  out and really enjoyed it. Lionheart's good.
• 42:17
  Also a 90s movie, so that was double impact.
• 42:19
  I asked you to watch a Kurt Russell sci-fi movie, and this
• 42:22
  was a funny one because we've talked a lot about how like the
• 42:25
  difference between popular critical consensus and our own
• 42:29
  feelings. And I knew going in that this
• 42:31
  movie had really bad reviews, like in some places it was below
• 42:35
  20% average score. But I was like, Nah, Frank's
• 42:39
  going to like it. It's got his favorite actor,
• 42:41
  Kurt Russell. It's made by the guy who
• 42:44
  directed all those Resident Evil movies that he's always trying
• 42:46
  to get me to watch. It's going to be a perfect
• 42:48
  storm. And it was, I mean like this,
• 42:53
  Yeah, this is, I guess the opposite of Grifters, where I I
• 42:57
  disagree with the reviews, but in the opposite direction.
• 43:00
  I I think this movie is awesome. I remind me, what did I score
• 43:04
  this one? You gave soldier A6 out of 10,
• 43:07
  but it was like in a, it was an affectionate 6.
• 43:09
  You were like, you know what? This movie does not have a lot
• 43:11
  going on, but it's perfectly watchable.
• 43:14
  And I do think that for either one of us, anything above A5
• 43:17
  means the movies like good enough.
• 43:19
  Like I, I don't, I wouldn't steer clear of a movie because
• 43:22
  one of us gave it a six. Usually that just means like,
• 43:24
  yeah, it's OK. Totally.
• 43:25
  And and this is 1 where I think as I've gotten farther away from
• 43:28
  it, I would have scored this higher.
• 43:31
  I think Soldier is interesting. Favorite movies that we watched
• 43:35
  this season it. Was a funny conversation too,
• 43:37
  though. We really got into the weeds
• 43:39
  with Soldier because of the nameless, emotionless guys who
• 43:43
  at one point I genuinely thought were trying to tell me that all
• 43:47
  of them had been named Todd, just with different members.
• 43:50
  At the end, I thought it was like Todd 117, Todd 118.
• 43:53
  And that just created a glimmer for me of like, that's so funny,
• 43:57
  I can only imagine. And then you're like, no,
• 43:58
  they're not all named Todd. But I wouldn't let that go for
• 44:01
  the rest of the review. Well, that's the thing about the
• 44:03
  movie though, man, it just had so much uniqueness to it, which
• 44:06
  is always like something I'm going to appreciate.
• 44:09
  You know it it I enjoyed it even more when I looked into like the
• 44:13
  behind the scenes elements and sort of like the the story of
• 44:17
  the production itself and how it very directly connected to Blade
• 44:24
  Runner, which is one of my favorite films like.
• 44:28
  Like literally in the same fictional universe as Blade
• 44:31
  Runner. Yeah, it was the same writer.
• 44:32
  He was writing them like at the same time and he like
• 44:35
  intentionally made connections between the two.
• 44:37
  So this one is like a cult classic type film that I think
• 44:43
  really deserves that recognition because I think it defies those
• 44:51
  bad ratings that it got upon release.
• 44:53
  Like I, I really think that those are unfair.
• 44:57
  And I talked about it a bit in the review.
• 44:58
  It it did like there were some things story to the production
• 45:03
  that did affect the the final outcome of the film because they
• 45:06
  had sets that they had built and wanted to do visually.
• 45:11
  Like the backgrounds were all going to be practical.
• 45:14
  But I believe it was like a tornado or a hurricane like
• 45:18
  destroyed the sets that they were building.
• 45:21
  And so they had to like green screen a lot of like the larger
• 45:25
  landscapes, which obviously is going to hurt it visually,
• 45:28
  especially when they had a much more grandiose vision for how
• 45:31
  they wanted the film to look, which that would have been
• 45:34
  really cool to see. But, you know, that's just like
• 45:36
  the way filmmaking goes. You got to roll with the
• 45:38
  punches, basically, yeah. So much of the time a movie that
• 45:42
  doesn't turn out well is because people did not have the means or
• 45:46
  the time to make what they originally intended.
• 45:50
  I mean that makes me think back to like when Peter Jackson had
• 45:53
  to take over The Hobbit movies on absolutely zero notice and
• 45:57
  had almost no time for pre production and and and was
• 45:59
  basically taking over in the middle of Guillermo del Toro's
• 46:02
  pre production. So you ended up with those
• 46:03
  Hobbit movies that everybody hated because they were like,
• 46:06
  giant, bloated CGI messes. And it's like, yeah, if you'd
• 46:08
  given the director the proper amount of time to make another
• 46:12
  trilogy, it would probably look a lot better.
• 46:14
  And same with this. Like the original intention was
• 46:17
  they were aiming high and then they just kind of had to salvage
• 46:20
  it as they went along. Yeah, there's a great quote,
• 46:22
  which I'll paraphrase because I don't remember it exactly, but
• 46:25
  it's from George Lucas actually. And, you know, he said, like,
• 46:30
  it's not about like how great a filmmaker you are, it's how
• 46:33
  adaptive A filmmaker you are because there's always going to
• 46:37
  be those, those hurdles. And he's like, you can't put
• 46:40
  like a like a prompt at the beginning of the movie saying
• 46:43
  like, oh, well, this didn't work out because the actor was sick
• 46:45
  that day or yadda, yadda, yadda. You just have to show them the
• 46:48
  final product and and. Then he said jar jar is the key.
• 46:53
  Yeah, yeah. Also on top of that, those are
• 46:58
  my two things I have to say. This, this is these are the two
• 47:01
  things I want people to Remember Me for.
• 47:05
  So, yeah, Soldier, like I said, one of my favorite movies that
• 47:09
  I, I watched this season and I to me feels higher than a six.
• 47:12
  So in retrospect this is 1 I would have scored higher.
• 47:16
  Makes sense. OK, moving into episode 5, this
• 47:20
  is a weird one for Speaking of production issues.
• 47:23
  Jeez, we almost lost this episode completely.
• 47:26
  Like we almost had to skip it, which in a normal movie review
• 47:30
  podcast would be like such a non issue.
• 47:32
  But we of course had to create continuity between episodes
• 47:35
  where we announce which movies we're talking about at the end
• 47:38
  of 1 episode to queue up the next one.
• 47:40
  And we just had so many problems where we were recording the
• 47:45
  episode and we talked about Deep Cover, which was your movie.
• 47:49
  That recording went fine, except we found out later your
• 47:52
  microphone, like the wrong microphone was being picked up.
• 47:55
  So your audio sounded way too quiet.
• 47:56
  And I had to like, really crank it up and post.
• 47:59
  And then my review just got corrupted and we lost it
• 48:02
  completely. Oh yeah, that's right.
• 48:04
  So so audiences have never heard the original review that we did
• 48:08
  for your film. Yes, which is pretty funny too,
• 48:11
  because going into this episode, we were finishing up episode 4.
• 48:15
  You had forgotten to pick a movie for me to watch for next
• 48:17
  time. And you just came in all
• 48:19
  sheepishly and were like, you want to watch a Woody Allen
• 48:22
  musical? And I was like, oh cool, what a
• 48:25
  great idea. I did.
• 48:28
  I did have to watch a stupid Woody Allen musical.
• 48:30
  And then we talked about it for an hour and a half, but my
• 48:34
  computer was like overheating or something.
• 48:36
  So the audio was captured, but it was garbled beyond
• 48:39
  recognition. I spent days trying to salvage
• 48:42
  it through like an AI editor that would remove these like
• 48:47
  layers of sound that were messing it up, which I honestly
• 48:50
  regret because I, I, I try to avoid using AI tools for
• 48:54
  anything in this production because they're just worthless
• 48:57
  and they use up so much energy. But I tried to salvage that
• 49:00
  because I was like, well, people need to hear it.
• 49:02
  And then instead we just recorded like a brief summary
• 49:05
  that was like a 15 minute conversation, which of all the
• 49:08
  movies to lose, I'm not even mad that we lost that Woody Allen
• 49:10
  one. That movie sucked.
• 49:12
  Yeah, that's, I mean, that one, we talked about this at the
• 49:17
  time, but neither of us just more so coincidentally than
• 49:20
  anything else. I've really seen any Woody Allen
• 49:23
  films and he's a very influential filmmaker of that
• 49:30
  era, but a problematic one as well.
• 49:33
  I. Mean if you if you Google Woody
• 49:34
  Allen's name today, it's probably going to auto fill with
• 49:38
  like Woody Allen, Epstein Island.
• 49:40
  So it's like, of course we don't want to.
• 49:42
  Of course we don't want to celebrate them right now.
• 49:46
  But yeah, Frank, you're right that like in the 70s and 80s, it
• 49:50
  was like he was making tons of extremely well regarded films
• 49:55
  that we just happened to have not seen even before all of that
• 49:58
  came out. And then coincidentally, the one
• 50:00
  you selected for me to watch was just like awful.
• 50:03
  It was his attempt at a musical where he deliberately hired
• 50:07
  people who couldn't sing or, like, instructed them not to
• 50:10
  sing correctly on purpose because he thought that was,
• 50:13
  like, cute. And it just makes the movie so
• 50:17
  painful to watch that by the time it was over, I was like,
• 50:20
  why have you done this to me? Well, and it was also the type
• 50:23
  of musical where it wasn't original songs either, which I
• 50:26
  don't know if there's a specific name for that type of musical,
• 50:28
  but there are ones that are good that have done that, but they
• 50:33
  were just using existing songs and singing like really bad
• 50:37
  covers of them essentially. It was pointless.
• 50:40
  The movie as an exercise was pointless, and Woody Allen's
• 50:43
  character in it was creepy. And Woody Allen the man is
• 50:46
  creepy. Surprisingly, I gave it a three.
• 50:50
  Like this was in that category where I think any impulse to
• 50:55
  rank it lower would have been unfair because it's like, well,
• 50:56
  the movie didn't do these things Woody Allen allegedly did.
• 51:00
  But I still just hated watching it so much that I was like,
• 51:03
  whatever, this is boring. A couple of the songs were fun
• 51:07
  because Woody Allen and his team didn't write them and they were
• 51:09
  just real pieces of music. But yeah, very boring.
• 51:12
  I guess we skipped over deep cover.
• 51:15
  You kind of liked deep Cover as I recall.
• 51:17
  Deep and deep cover is actually another one that I would put in
• 51:20
  the same campus soldier that the further I've gotten away from
• 51:24
  it, the more I appreciate it. And, and I think even over the
• 51:26
  course of the review about like talking through the movie, I was
• 51:30
  like, you know, actually I really like to cover it was it
• 51:33
  was good. Which is funny because I think
• 51:35
  eventually you scored it a 5 out of 10.
• 51:37
  And that's probably because when I started watching it, I like
• 51:41
  the first act of the movie. And this is maybe more on me
• 51:45
  than the movie, honestly. Like it just wasn't clicking
• 51:48
  with me and it was like sort of a dark subject matter.
• 51:53
  And so like early on I had the same thought.
• 51:55
  I was like, why does it keep doing this to me?
• 51:56
  Why does it keep picking these? Depressing.
• 52:00
  Like, yeah, like, I don't want to watch these depressing crime
• 52:04
  movies, but Deep Cover had something to say.
• 52:08
  It was so stylistic. It was the IT was the exact
• 52:10
  opposite of grifters in in the sense that it was so stylistic.
• 52:14
  I mean, you can even tell just looking at like the cover art
• 52:17
  for the film, like the poster, its use of like colour
• 52:22
  throughout the film and the lighting and the performances,
• 52:25
  everything about it just just sort of like dripping with like
• 52:28
  style. But it just had an oddness to it
• 52:31
  that like, and the uniqueness that I appreciated by the end of
• 52:36
  the film, but took me a while to get into.
• 52:38
  So that's why I think it it sort of landed in like a middle
• 52:41
  ground score for me at the time. But retrospectively, I'm like,
• 52:45
  no deep cover. That's good film making.
• 52:48
  It's unique, it's entertaining in its own way.
• 52:53
  You had very charismatic leads and performances from, you know,
• 52:59
  Laurence Fishburne and Jeff Goldblum.
• 53:03
  So this also, I would I would score higher.
• 53:06
  Now, the cover, Yeah. Like, of everything we've talked
• 53:11
  about so far, Gamera, again, always kind of being an outlier
• 53:14
  because that's so hyper specific.
• 53:15
  But like these other ones is just sort of being just general
• 53:18
  films. Yeah, Soldier and Deep Cover
• 53:21
  were were two of my favorites I think.
• 53:24
  Yeah, I mean, we did also, again, the movies that I don't
• 53:27
  watch but that I recommend my opinion is basically like, how
• 53:30
  fun were they to talk about? And we definitely were on a kick
• 53:33
  talking about that detail where his Lawrence Fishman's character
• 53:37
  had never had alcohol before because he was afraid about
• 53:39
  becoming an addict like his dad. But then he just, like you tried
• 53:42
  to summarize it. It's like he tried alcohol and
• 53:45
  it's pretty good. I just thought that's a.
• 53:47
  Line in the movie that is not that's literally he's like
• 53:51
  there's a scene where he's like, he's like drinking and one of
• 53:55
  the other characters who knows he doesn't drink.
• 53:57
  He was like, you're drinking now or something.
• 53:58
  He's like, yeah, I tried it's pretty good.
• 54:00
  And then he just like gets in a car and drives away.
• 54:02
  It's like when. He could we we really latched on
• 54:05
  to that as like Larry Fishburne alcohol.
• 54:08
  Good question, mark. Yeah.
• 54:09
  Oh, he is credited as Larry Fishburne, too.
• 54:11
  That's another sort of fun little tidbit about that movie.
• 54:15
  Yeah, there was a lot of unintentionally funny stuff too
• 54:18
  in that one, because it was so hyper serious.
• 54:21
  But then some stuff. There's also that.
• 54:22
  Side character who kept talking about Terminator 2 like.
• 54:25
  Right. So weird.
• 54:27
  It's that kind of stuff where you get into just like what was
• 54:32
  who. What talk to a film making right
• 54:36
  exactly? I don't understand the
• 54:38
  motivation. I can't imagine anybody else
• 54:40
  would have done this. Yeah, yeah, totally.
• 54:44
  So, yeah, deep cover. Good.
• 54:47
  Question mark, deep cover. Good.
• 54:50
  Pretty alcohol confirmed Deep cover equals alcohol.
• 54:54
  Yeah, well, we'll find out. So I'm glad that that episode
• 54:57
  still exists and is now in a very easy to listen to state
• 55:00
  because I did not try to include my AI recovered audio of us
• 55:05
  talking about Woody Allen. It sounded like sound wave from
• 55:07
  Transformers, like that entire half would have been so
• 55:10
  distorted and bad. I'm glad I did not do that.
• 55:14
  Anyway, 6 out or 6 out of 10 episode. 6 out of 12 for season
• 55:19
  1. Another good one, one that I
• 55:21
  look back on pretty fondly. I think I went first for this
• 55:25
  one because I I ended the previous episode talking about
• 55:28
  Woody Allen. Frank, you asked me to watch
• 55:30
  1997's Jackal, which is or The Jackal, which was a weird one
• 55:36
  because it was a remake of a much more popular and well liked
• 55:39
  film from the 70s That changed so much about that movie and its
• 55:44
  source material novel that all of the people involved in the
• 55:47
  earlier productions like begged them to change the title of this
• 55:50
  one. They were like, you're not
• 55:51
  making the Jackal, you're making something else.
• 55:54
  Don't call it the Jackal. And then whoever was making it
• 55:57
  was like, you know what? I'm going to call it the Jackal.
• 55:59
  Even harder, I mean. Did we ever get to the bottom of
• 56:05
  why, just because it was such a different narrative that they
• 56:09
  were opposed to it or like. It's a completely different
• 56:11
  story. They change all of the
• 56:12
  locations. The only elements that are the
• 56:14
  same across all versions are. The story follows a professional
• 56:19
  assassin traveling to a different country to arrange a
• 56:22
  very high profile murder against like a public individual.
• 56:26
  And the story follows that person's meticulous preparation
• 56:30
  while also cutting to the law enforcement group trying to
• 56:34
  track them down. So it's sort of like an evenly
• 56:36
  balanced story, giving you the hero and the villains
• 56:39
  perspective at the same time. And this one just centered
• 56:44
  everything in America and made it about like the Russian mafia
• 56:48
  in the fall of the USSR, like the wake of all of that.
• 56:52
  It was a weird pivot that tried to introduce a bunch of 90
• 56:55
  specific tech gadgets and stuff too.
• 56:58
  And as I talked about at the time, it's the perfect 5 out of
• 57:02
  10 movie, which is what I gave it 5 out of 10 because it just
• 57:05
  doesn't do enough wrong to make you turn the movie off.
• 57:07
  But it stays so close to that point for its entire runtime.
• 57:11
  Yeah, yeah. This one, just even thinking
• 57:14
  back on it falls into a pretty like nebulous area for me where
• 57:18
  some of these it's interesting, like when you're describing the
• 57:21
  film to me, I can get sort of a visual for it in my head, you
• 57:25
  know, in terms of like what what type of movie it would be.
• 57:28
  And I think I have that for the Jackal, but it also just feels
• 57:31
  like nothing at the same time. The Jackal.
• 57:33
  Yeah, it's it is nothing. It's a very like impermanent
• 57:37
  feeling, watching the movie where you're like, sometimes if
• 57:40
  you don't pay close attention to something, you walk away feeling
• 57:43
  like you only have a vague sense of what was happening.
• 57:45
  You could put your full attention on the Jackal and
• 57:47
  still feel that way when it's over because it just isn't
• 57:51
  There's, it's so shallow. It's a very shallow story that
• 57:53
  is told relatively effectively but has nothing to say.
• 57:57
  So at the end, you're like, I I guess that was a movie.
• 57:59
  I think Bruce Willis was there. I I think he gave a pretty
• 58:03
  sleepy performance too from what I remember you saying.
• 58:06
  Super sleepy, your two leads. We had Bruce Willis hanging out
• 58:09
  by himself doing a really boring quiet man performance and then
• 58:12
  we had Richard Gere doing an Irish accent that he couldn't
• 58:15
  land. So both of our leads were kind
• 58:18
  of messing things up. It just, I don't know, maybe my
• 58:22
  opinion of this is actually worsened.
• 58:23
  At the time I was like super take it or leave it.
• 58:26
  I had no qualms about watching it.
• 58:28
  But with a couple of months removed I'm like chackle.
• 58:31
  I don't think I'd ever tell anybody to watch it now.
• 58:37
  All. Right over to you episode 6.
• 58:43
  I asked you to watch Doc Hollywood from 1991, which as I
• 58:47
  recall, I think I picked it out because it has Michael J Fox in
• 58:50
  it in one of his like lead film roles post Back to the Future.
• 58:55
  Obviously his career in Hollywood was very adversely
• 58:58
  affected by his Parkinson's, so he like dropped out of the
• 59:01
  public eye for a time. And I just thought this was
• 59:03
  interesting. This was like later stage
• 59:05
  Michael J Fox in something that probably not a lot of people
• 59:08
  remember. Yeah.
• 59:09
  And and that was my biggest praise that I had for the film
• 59:12
  was Michael J Fox. He like, I mean, even thinking
• 59:16
  back on it now, it's a pretty mediocre film in a lot of ways,
• 59:20
  but he elevates it so much. And that's an interesting thing
• 59:27
  when like a film relies so heavily on a single performance.
• 59:34
  Like something like Pirates of the Caribbean comes to mind,
• 59:36
  where it's like Johnny Depp's performance as Jack Sparrow
• 59:40
  completely steals the show in that movie.
• 59:42
  But it's a solid movie otherwise.
• 59:45
  You know, everything else going on that is is great.
• 59:48
  This movie is not bad in any way.
• 59:50
  It's just lands in a very mediocre area in most other
• 59:54
  aspects except for Michael J Fox.
• 59:57
  He's just amazing. And it's a comedy like it's,
• 1:00:01
  it's a very like family friendly comedy, but he's so funny and
• 1:00:07
  like he, he has a great ability to switch between being.
• 1:00:12
  Comedic and serious and just whatever like the narrative
• 1:00:16
  calls for. He he can sort of switch
• 1:00:18
  seamlessly between those things. Yeah.
• 1:00:20
  And so I appreciate it a lot for that.
• 1:00:23
  And especially the like you said, it's a, it's a movie of
• 1:00:25
  his that maybe not a lot of people have seen so.
• 1:00:28
  If you check out our review, you'll hear a lot of that, a lot
• 1:00:32
  of Frank talking up what a good performer Michael J Fox is, but
• 1:00:34
  then also a lot of short shaming.
• 1:00:36
  As I recall, really, really leading into short King Michael
• 1:00:40
  J Fox jokes in what I think was a pretty tasteless display on
• 1:00:45
  the. No, no, no, no, no, no.
• 1:00:47
  You know, I, I think he, I, I think the point I was getting at
• 1:00:51
  is that he owns it in a way that I, you know, I compared him to
• 1:00:55
  like a Tom Cruise, for example. Who?
• 1:00:58
  Who? I don't even know if this is
• 1:01:00
  this. This may be a totally
• 1:01:01
  unsubstantiated claim, but I've heard there's a lot of camera
• 1:01:04
  trickery to make him appear taller than he actually is in a
• 1:01:07
  lot of his films, and they don't do that with Michael J Fox.
• 1:01:11
  He stands on business as a short king.
• 1:01:13
  And he's on business and sometimes in milk crate.
• 1:01:16
  He doesn't though. That's the thing he does.
• 1:01:19
  Not sorry. We're better than.
• 1:01:21
  This yes, they they tilt down the camera.
• 1:01:29
  Yeah, which which fun fact, this is just pet peeve of mine.
• 1:01:31
  I hear everybody do it, even people that work in filmmaking.
• 1:01:34
  You don't pan up and down. You pan left and right and you
• 1:01:37
  tilt up and down. So if the camera goes in a
• 1:01:42
  vertical direction, that's a camera tilt.
• 1:01:45
  And if it goes left, left to right, that's a camera pan.
• 1:01:50
  What's a Dutch angle anyway? No, absolutely that is correct.
• 1:01:58
  I passed a film vocabulary test one time by getting that
• 1:02:01
  correct. I recall how that works.
• 1:02:03
  A film vocabulary? What do you mean?
• 1:02:04
  What was that for? I took film studies courses in
• 1:02:07
  college. I didn't, I didn't get a full
• 1:02:08
  blown film degree like you did, but for some reason in one of my
• 1:02:12
  classes, it was like a third level course.
• 1:02:14
  They gave us like a child's vocabulary test where you just
• 1:02:17
  had to match words to definitions.
• 1:02:18
  And it was just about like, film terminology.
• 1:02:21
  And people like, failed it. And I just was like, what?
• 1:02:25
  What is the most basic stuff like that was in there?
• 1:02:29
  It's like pan versus tilt. What is a jib shot?
• 1:02:33
  Who's Michael J Fox? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:38
  Well, I mean, OK, so you know, I mean, I mess it up too.
• 1:02:40
  It's a very common. It's it's just like the way
• 1:02:43
  people naturally speak. No, absolutely, because
• 1:02:46
  ultimately it's not. It's not something that getting
• 1:02:48
  wrong will actually confuse anybody because, but it's just
• 1:02:51
  like technically actually. Actually, yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:56
  So just to be annoying, I thought I'd throw that there in
• 1:02:58
  the TN. Annoying.
• 1:02:59
  Yeah. Just to distract from all of my
• 1:03:01
  short shaming, I thought. Yeah.
• 1:03:02
  Yeah, exactly that. That too.
• 1:03:05
  All right. Well, that is our recap of the
• 1:03:07
  first half of Season 1. That's six episodes and six more
• 1:03:10
  to go. So we're going to head into our
• 1:03:12
  intermission now, and then when we return, we will recap the
• 1:03:15
  second-half of our movie review adventures.
• 1:03:17
  So we'll be right back. OK, coming back for the
• 1:03:28
  second-half of our Season 1 recap here on Meet Your Double
• 1:03:31
  feature Frank Episode 7, the beginning of our second-half,
• 1:03:35
  possibly my favorite episode of Season 1.
• 1:03:38
  Would you agree? Yeah, definitely.
• 1:03:40
  I like this. This is the episode.
• 1:03:42
  Someone asked me recently like to send them an episode to just
• 1:03:47
  jump in with and I think this is the one I would recommend to
• 1:03:51
  most people if you just want to get an idea of what the show is,
• 1:03:54
  and I think it's one of our most entertaining ones.
• 1:03:57
  It just it contains multitudes. First off, the movie I asked you
• 1:04:00
  to watch, shoot, Fight or fight to the death is AB movie,
• 1:04:04
  martial arts action flick starring one of the guys from
• 1:04:09
  Bloodsport and two of the guys from Karate Kid.
• 1:04:11
  So like, such a goofy film. And then the movie you asked me
• 1:04:14
  to watch was like an auteur art film from Long Core.
• 1:04:19
  Yi just was like, that can't be this episode.
• 1:04:23
  Who wants to hear about both of those things in that order?
• 1:04:27
  I do me. And we did.
• 1:04:31
  And not only that, even just that initial discrepancy aside,
• 1:04:34
  you, through no fault of your own, watched the wrong movie.
• 1:04:39
  Yeah, thank you for pointing out it was through no fault of my
• 1:04:41
  own. It was a comedy of errors that
• 1:04:45
  led to me watching two shoot fighter movies for that review,
• 1:04:49
  and the the one that I watched first was way worse than the
• 1:04:55
  original 1, so I'm very glad that that was not the one we
• 1:04:58
  wound up talking about for most of the episode.
• 1:05:01
  Because it was what it was like. The streaming service that you
• 1:05:04
  watched it on said it was called Shoot Fighter One.
• 1:05:07
  Even when the movie began the like sub menu called it Shoot
• 1:05:09
  Fighter One. But then the movie, which
• 1:05:11
  doesn't reveal its title card until it's over, was Shoot
• 1:05:14
  Fighter 2. Yeah, no, it was like I like, I
• 1:05:17
  Googled it. It was like typed in the full
• 1:05:20
  title of the original film and maybe like streaming afterwards.
• 1:05:24
  And then I clicked the first link.
• 1:05:25
  It was on one of those, like, free with ads services.
• 1:05:29
  And yeah, like, it labeled it as that original title.
• 1:05:33
  And it wasn't until the very end of the film that I realized that
• 1:05:36
  that was not the movie that I had been watching the entire
• 1:05:38
  time. Crazy, crazy stroke of luck to
• 1:05:41
  have that happen in this context that it was like captured on the
• 1:05:44
  show. Yeah, I wound up watching them
• 1:05:46
  back-to-back. I I needed like extra time to go
• 1:05:49
  back and watch the original film.
• 1:05:51
  So you. Texted me and you're like hey
• 1:05:53
  can we record tomorrow instead? And I was like sure thing,
• 1:05:55
  whatever. And then I found out later that
• 1:05:56
  that that's the reason why. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:06:00
  So that that's a fun. I specifically revealed it that
• 1:06:03
  way in the recording of the episode too.
• 1:06:05
  So I think that that's that's fun, super funny.
• 1:06:09
  Do you want me to talk about you fighter?
• 1:06:10
  Because. Yeah, I mean, do you like shoot
• 1:06:12
  fighter one quite a bit? Yeah, I think I I think I gave
• 1:06:15
  this movie a nine out of 10, which you did Crazy cuckoo
• 1:06:19
  bananas. It's so much fun though.
• 1:06:25
  Like I loved it. Like honestly, both these
• 1:06:28
  movies, like you said, like who wants both of these things?
• 1:06:30
  Like this is like inside you there are two wolves like.
• 1:06:37
  Yeah, 1 is very Moody and the other one wants to kick that.
• 1:06:40
  Like it's just like, this is like the 2 ends of the spectrum
• 1:06:44
  of like my film interests, you know, just give me that really
• 1:06:47
  campy, fun, silly martial arts movie and then give me something
• 1:06:53
  that's just like deep and weird and like emotional and sad like,
• 1:06:59
  and like visually compelling. Like these are very different
• 1:07:03
  types of films. Because the one I watched was
• 1:07:07
  Fallen Angels from 1995. The Wonk Are Why film, which
• 1:07:11
  other films of his are maybe more recognizable to people?
• 1:07:14
  He he directed In the Mood for Love, which I think got like an
• 1:07:16
  Academy Award nomination. Even the film that predates this
• 1:07:20
  one, Chunking Express, I think has a little bit more reach in
• 1:07:23
  the West at least. So Fallen Angels was like less
• 1:07:26
  popular in his filmography, but it was a challenging watch.
• 1:07:30
  I mean, watching the movie, I was like, how am I going to talk
• 1:07:32
  about this without sounding like a big dumb idiot?
• 1:07:35
  But it was fun and our review actually turned out really
• 1:07:38
  engaging. I think it was just, it's a hard
• 1:07:41
  movie to summarize my thoughts on because there was a lot
• 1:07:43
  happening in it, but I think it was worth watching.
• 1:07:46
  It was it was the type of challenging experience that I
• 1:07:49
  like to have watching films unless I'm in the mood to watch
• 1:07:52
  Shoot Fighter. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:07:56
  Go either way, that that's how it is for me too.
• 1:07:59
  It's like sometimes like you have to be in the right mood to
• 1:08:04
  watch a movie that's going to challenge you.
• 1:08:06
  I mean, we've brought this, I'm sure we've mentioned this on the
• 1:08:07
  podcast before. But like, that's one of the
• 1:08:10
  really interesting things about films to me is the dichotomy of
• 1:08:14
  like art is meant to challenge your way of thinking, where is
• 1:08:19
  entertainment is meant to reinforce it.
• 1:08:21
  And films are both in a way. So it's like these contrasting
• 1:08:25
  ideas. I do think this combined was our
• 1:08:29
  highest rated scoring episode because you gave Shoot Fighter 9
• 1:08:32
  out of 10. I gave Fallen Angels an 8 out of
• 1:08:34
  10. And people who like movies are
• 1:08:37
  like what? I guess that means on our
• 1:08:40
  leaderboard they're like right next to each other.
• 1:08:42
  And street fighters ahead, actually, so.
• 1:08:44
  Yeah, shoot, fighter just a bit better than what?
• 1:08:48
  To clarify, though, to clarify, Street Fighter, I scored it so
• 1:08:51
  high because it it Street Fighter.
• 1:08:53
  Sorry, sorry. Shoot, Fighter.
• 1:08:54
  Very similar title. I do, yeah.
• 1:08:58
  The man, I should rewatch the 90s Street Fighter.
• 1:09:01
  That's a fun movie too. But a shoot fighter fight to the
• 1:09:05
  death, which I think is the first one.
• 1:09:08
  Yes, I scored it so high because in the same reason I scored
• 1:09:11
  camera so high. It's like that it succeeded in
• 1:09:15
  exactly what it was trying to be, you know, like it.
• 1:09:19
  It nailed it. It aimed low.
• 1:09:22
  It didn't aim low, it aimed high in that particular ceiling.
• 1:09:28
  Like it? What a clear visual metaphor.
• 1:09:34
  I mean, I didn't aim low, boss. The ceiling's just feeling.
• 1:09:38
  It's the ceiling's fault, really.
• 1:09:39
  You need to rebuild this whole thing.
• 1:09:41
  No, I know what you mean. And to clarify, like Fallen
• 1:09:44
  Angels probably would have been even higher because I think it's
• 1:09:47
  a very affecting movie. I just found that the B plot in
• 1:09:52
  the movie took up more time than what felt like should have been
• 1:09:54
  the A plot and so there was an imbalance in pacing where you
• 1:09:57
  spent more time with the less interesting characters in the
• 1:10:00
  story and didn't get enough time with the main pair.
• 1:10:04
  So I think the Fallen Angels had all the potential and was really
• 1:10:06
  interesting and my opinion on it has not changed.
• 1:10:08
  I really enjoy thinking back on it now, but just a little
• 1:10:11
  imbalanced otherwise it probably would have scored even higher.
• 1:10:14
  Yeah, if I remember from that conversation, it seemed like
• 1:10:16
  Fallen Angels was a bit of like, it was almost like leftover
• 1:10:20
  concepts from one of his previous projects.
• 1:10:23
  Yeah, it was an expansion on an idea that was first conceived
• 1:10:26
  for Chunking Express, which released a year earlier.
• 1:10:29
  And then I think they tried to, like, staple onto that another
• 1:10:33
  premise. And it just, I don't know, it
• 1:10:35
  makes me want to go back and watch Chunking Express because I
• 1:10:37
  wonder if that one feels a little bit more like like it had
• 1:10:40
  enough detail to fill out a feature, whereas Phony just felt
• 1:10:43
  like it had enough time to feel like a 60 to 75 minute movie.
• 1:10:47
  Yeah. So yeah, that's, that's
• 1:10:49
  understandable. I I think Fallen Angels was the
• 1:10:51
  last like major film that he made before, like in China
• 1:10:56
  before he started making films in the US primarily.
• 1:11:00
  Anyway, that's episode 7. If you had to make one full
• 1:11:02
  episode to revisit from this season to meet your double
• 1:11:05
  feature, I would definitely recommend that one.
• 1:11:07
  Frank, it sounds like you did too.
• 1:11:08
  It's called also my best title. It's called The Karate Kids
• 1:11:11
  Aren't All Right, which I just thought was fun.
• 1:11:14
  It is fun, I enjoy that. I got better at these as we
• 1:11:17
  went. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:11:20
  They're going to get, they're going to get more and more click
• 1:11:22
  baity as we go next season. It's going to be like we watch a
• 1:11:25
  movie. Parentheses gone wrong.
• 1:11:30
  Police called. Hashtag Mr. Beast.
• 1:11:35
  Hashtag beast games anyway. Episode 8, our Halloween
• 1:11:39
  episode, we inadvertently, because of when we started
• 1:11:43
  producing the show and releasing episodes, ended up with like a
• 1:11:45
  full holiday slate. This year.
• 1:11:47
  We had an episode come out the day before Halloween, an episode
• 1:11:50
  on Thanksgiving Day in the US and an episode on Christmas Day,
• 1:11:54
  which is amusing content creation wise.
• 1:11:57
  Those are bad days to release things, but it's just kind of
• 1:12:01
  funny. Yeah.
• 1:12:03
  So episode it was our Halloween episode.
• 1:12:04
  I, I teed that up Frank, for you before we made our picks so that
• 1:12:07
  we kind of both had that in mind and we ended up both picking
• 1:12:10
  horror adjacent movies and frankly 2 of the weirder ones
• 1:12:14
  that we've talked about. You asked me to watch Sleepy
• 1:12:17
  Hollow, which was a Tim Burton movie, but like maybe one of the
• 1:12:22
  less talked about once, you know, not like a forgotten movie
• 1:12:25
  completely, but certainly not the first thing that comes to
• 1:12:28
  mind when you hear Tim Burton and Johnny Depp.
• 1:12:31
  Yeah, but I, I again, I, I think we talked about this in the
• 1:12:34
  episode. This this movie has a sizeable
• 1:12:36
  fan base. At the same time, I would say
• 1:12:38
  it's it's not like completely forgotten and and I'll say this
• 1:12:42
  is the one that I watched of of the ones this season.
• 1:12:45
  All right. Yeah, I teed that up and I
• 1:12:47
  forgot which one it actually was.
• 1:12:48
  So you have now. We've now both seen Sleepy
• 1:12:50
  Hollow. There you go.
• 1:12:51
  Yeah, yeah, I liked it. I I, I thought it was a lot of
• 1:12:55
  fun actually. You know, again, we mentioned
• 1:12:58
  this during the episode, but it's it has that like murder
• 1:13:01
  mystery feel to it for a lot of the film.
• 1:13:05
  And I feel like with with many Tim Burton movies, like how you
• 1:13:10
  feel about his style is going to affect how much you enjoy the
• 1:13:12
  film, especially visually. Like he has such a strong visual
• 1:13:17
  presence. And I think it's this one almost
• 1:13:22
  strikes a good balance. Like it has his distinct visual
• 1:13:26
  style on screen but not like turned up to 11 if that makes
• 1:13:32
  sense. Yeah, it's turned out it's like
• 1:13:34
  8 out of 10 on the Burton scale. Yeah, totally, totally.
• 1:13:39
  But yeah, I mean, I was just going to say, what did you score
• 1:13:41
  this one? I don't remember.
• 1:13:43
  I this was funny. So in our original episode of
• 1:13:45
  the show, I went on this whole bit about how because I hate
• 1:13:48
  scoring and I do this to suffer for people's entertainment.
• 1:13:51
  I hate when people give things a 7 out of 10 because it's a very
• 1:13:54
  hard score to interrogate. It's the perfect like I don't
• 1:13:58
  have to disclose any additional info.
• 1:14:00
  It's a 7 out of 10. It's OK and we just kind of like
• 1:14:04
  turned that into a bit we I kept thinking that we would never
• 1:14:06
  have a real 7 out of 10. But then that's exactly what I
• 1:14:09
  gave Sleepy Hollow. It's like the most for me
• 1:14:11
  straight down the line movie of like it doesn't really do
• 1:14:14
  anything terribly wrong. It's a complete idea.
• 1:14:17
  It has strong performances and a good visual like style, but it
• 1:14:22
  gets a little sleepy in the third act and the mystery
• 1:14:24
  doesn't resolve in an entertaining way for me.
• 1:14:27
  So by the time it was over, I was kind of like this should
• 1:14:29
  have been better than it was. It, it had a lot of the pieces
• 1:14:32
  and, and kind of underwhelmed in ways that pulled this cord down
• 1:14:35
  for me. Yeah, that which that's totally
• 1:14:38
  fair. Something that surprised me that
• 1:14:40
  like, I don't know if you mentioned it as much, was there
• 1:14:44
  was a surprising amount of like action and fight choreography in
• 1:14:47
  this movie that I wasn't expecting.
• 1:14:48
  Like the stunt performer who we did mention.
• 1:14:52
  I, I, I think it was Ray Park, but he was doing a lot of like
• 1:14:56
  like the Headless Horseman had like 2 swords he was swinging
• 1:14:59
  around and like fighting people with.
• 1:15:02
  Which was, like, cool, but also, like, distracting.
• 1:15:05
  Yeah, he was trying to be pretty scary.
• 1:15:07
  And then he would come out and start doing just, like, his
• 1:15:09
  lightsaber choreography but with pumpkin head on.
• 1:15:12
  And I was like, why? Well he never actually had the
• 1:15:16
  pumpkin head on. He was literally just headless
• 1:15:18
  the whole time. Oh well, there you go.
• 1:15:21
  Oh, this was also where our episode 8 was our Christopher
• 1:15:23
  Walken episode because he was technically in both movies that
• 1:15:25
  we talked about, which ended in me trying and failing to do a
• 1:15:29
  Christopher Walken impression that you probably heard glimpses
• 1:15:32
  of in every episode after this one.
• 1:15:34
  Yeah, he stuck around. Walken's always in the booth.
• 1:15:37
  He's ready to go. Walken's in the booth.
• 1:15:39
  He's watching the show. He's sleepy.
• 1:15:45
  He's is he sleepy? It gets worse every time I do
• 1:15:48
  it. I think I kind of had it the
• 1:15:49
  first time which is why it stuck around.
• 1:15:50
  But man, not not my, not my strength.
• 1:15:54
  We got to hear it. Yeah.
• 1:15:55
  And and it's worth noting he he has no lines of dialogue in that
• 1:15:59
  movie other than like screaming, I think.
• 1:16:02
  Which is weird. Why even put him in the role at
• 1:16:04
  all? Very strange, very interesting
• 1:16:06
  cast. A lot of Star Wars alums.
• 1:16:08
  A lot of Harry Potter alums. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:16:11
  But it's cool. I mean, and I think a complaint
• 1:16:13
  you had during the review too, some of them are underutilized
• 1:16:15
  which which I agree with as well.
• 1:16:17
  Oh, I know they have Ian McDermott in there and he
• 1:16:20
  doesn't do anything. Yeah, yeah, it's a bummer.
• 1:16:24
  It's a bummer. Also, editor's note, I spent
• 1:16:27
  quite a while in that review talking about a scene where the
• 1:16:31
  Headless Horseman kills Dumbledore with what I call the
• 1:16:34
  grappling hook. And Frank, I think you wanted
• 1:16:36
  you wanted to clarify that he did not in fact, have a quote
• 1:16:39
  grappling hook. Yeah, it was a he had a rope and
• 1:16:44
  then they were inside a building that was surrounded by like a
• 1:16:47
  white picket fence and he broke the top piece off one of the
• 1:16:51
  fence spokes. I don't know what those are
• 1:16:55
  called. I guess A spoke and he wrapped
• 1:16:59
  the rope around that and then like threw it.
• 1:17:01
  So it was a grappling hook of sorts.
• 1:17:03
  But he wasn't walking around like Legend of Zelda with like a
• 1:17:06
  bunch of items in his pocket. He wasn't leaving bombs next to
• 1:17:10
  like, cracked rock walls. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:17:13
  Going to get the next one with a.
• 1:17:15
  Boomerang. That's a crossover we made,
• 1:17:20
  yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's Sleepy
• 1:17:22
  Hollow. And then one of our more.
• 1:17:25
  I don't even know how to described A prophecy.
• 1:17:28
  I asked you to watch this one, which Walken's like actually a
• 1:17:31
  character in. It's possibly the weirdest movie
• 1:17:34
  we've talked about in the show. I spent the entire review
• 1:17:37
  genuinely struggling to follow your Plot Summary even though
• 1:17:39
  you were just saying what happens in the movie.
• 1:17:42
  Yeah, prophecy was awesome. Prophecy was awesome.
• 1:17:48
  Looks that notes 4 out of 10. Is that what I gave it?
• 1:17:51
  A four. You gave it a four, Yeah.
• 1:17:53
  Yeah, yeah. I don't know, like it.
• 1:17:57
  It's probably more so than anything on this list.
• 1:17:59
  It was very hard to to quantify because I want to give it like
• 1:18:04
  all the points for uniqueness because it it was like baffling
• 1:18:11
  in a lot of ways because it was such a the writer director had
• 1:18:16
  such a clear, I think, vision for what he wanted this to be.
• 1:18:21
  And it translated to the screen in such an interesting way.
• 1:18:27
  And this is another movie that has like a cult following now.
• 1:18:30
  And I get that completely. Like, if you're in like this is
• 1:18:34
  so specific that if this is your thing, like you're going to love
• 1:18:38
  this like, and that's probably why they made so many of them.
• 1:18:42
  Like this was the first of five Total Prophecy films, I think.
• 1:18:47
  Which turned into like a threat that whoever lost season 1 like
• 1:18:52
  scored fewer total points. Was going to have to watch all
• 1:18:54
  the other prophecy movies. And I do think that that was
• 1:18:58
  maybe a bridge too far. We will find some way to cover
• 1:19:02
  prophecies 2 through 5. I'm just going to make you go
• 1:19:05
  watch them by yourself because that just seems sad, no?
• 1:19:08
  We'll see. We'll see.
• 1:19:08
  We're not going to We're not going to like leave that loose
• 1:19:12
  thread. We will revisit the prophecy in
• 1:19:14
  some way it. Might come out at some point as
• 1:19:17
  like audio commentaries, you know, maybe like a different
• 1:19:19
  format for us where you can just use it and watch along the movie
• 1:19:23
  yourself. Because then the people who are
• 1:19:25
  watching it will be those ones you mentioned who are like, this
• 1:19:27
  is my speed. Yeah, totally, totally.
• 1:19:30
  Yeah, so. And, and I honestly, I'm looking
• 1:19:31
  forward to that. Like the Prophecy is weird
• 1:19:33
  enough that it's worth revisiting, and I think it'll be
• 1:19:36
  interesting to see you interact with it more too.
• 1:19:40
  I I I would be curious to see what you would think watching
• 1:19:43
  one of these movies. I would have to get up to speed
• 1:19:46
  on that first one because you, I haven't seen it yet, but yeah,
• 1:19:50
  I'd probably watch that and then we'll see.
• 1:19:51
  We'll see. That'll be something for down
• 1:19:53
  the line. But we have not forgotten about
• 1:19:54
  it. And it was one of the one of the
• 1:19:57
  funnier recurring threads throughout the second-half of
• 1:19:59
  our first run of episodes was talking about the prophecy
• 1:20:02
  verse. Yeah.
• 1:20:03
  And I would score this one higher too, actually, just like
• 1:20:06
  worth noting, like I think some of these, there's been a string
• 1:20:10
  here that I would score higher than I originally did.
• 1:20:14
  You know, sometimes you just have that initial viewing, but
• 1:20:18
  you need some distance from it to really reflect on them.
• 1:20:20
  And Prophecy. It earns a lot of points for
• 1:20:24
  just being its own thing. All right, moving from that one
• 1:20:28
  into episode 9. Frank, I think this would kick
• 1:20:31
  off with your review again. I asked you to watch 1994's No
• 1:20:35
  Escape. This was also one of our funnier
• 1:20:38
  reviews. I think I liked this one a lot.
• 1:20:41
  Yeah, I'd like to no escape honestly, like.
• 1:20:44
  And let's check when he gave no escape. 4 out of 10.
• 1:20:47
  Oh no, barely. Frank Approved means 4 out of
• 1:20:52
  10. Who's doing this?
• 1:20:54
  Who's going around scoring these movies?
• 1:20:55
  Who is this person? Who is?
• 1:20:56
  This. I mean, I don't know, maybe I'm
• 1:21:02
  just like being kinder to all of them now, but no escape had its
• 1:21:08
  issues. I will say that it it certainly
• 1:21:10
  had its issues. I I think in terms of it being a
• 1:21:14
  sci-fi film, one of my biggest takeaways or things that took me
• 1:21:19
  out of the viewing experience was it didn't do enough to
• 1:21:24
  elaborate on and and explore the world that they were in in a way
• 1:21:28
  that made sense to the audience. So I found that very distracting
• 1:21:31
  because it was, it was a very isolated for the most part in
• 1:21:36
  just this one location film, but it was set in a future world and
• 1:21:41
  it just kind of didn't make sense in a way.
• 1:21:44
  We just needed a little more information to flesh that whole
• 1:21:48
  world out. So, but it had, you know, again,
• 1:21:54
  some great character performances in there, like fun
• 1:21:58
  action sequences, again, a uniqueness to it.
• 1:22:02
  Like there's there's like I'm always going to be interested in
• 1:22:08
  something that feels new, feels like something I haven't gotten
• 1:22:12
  from a film experience before. And Noscape had that in in its
• 1:22:16
  in its own weird way. Noscape also kicked off an
• 1:22:20
  amusing trend where in talking about it, you had discovered
• 1:22:23
  that there was a Super Nintendo game for No Escape.
• 1:22:26
  And in order to flesh out their video content, the YouTube
• 1:22:30
  version, which I've been trying to add more like interactivity
• 1:22:34
  to with each new upload, I decided I would just play the No
• 1:22:37
  Escape game for like 20 minutes and put that up while we were
• 1:22:41
  talking about it. Like, so as soon as the game
• 1:22:42
  comes up in the conversation, the video switches to me playing
• 1:22:46
  No Escape. That game is so hard.
• 1:22:48
  I just could not get past like the second level.
• 1:22:52
  As soon as it begins, you're just dropped off in a jungle
• 1:22:55
  being chased by all these enemies, which is like a weirdly
• 1:22:58
  unique element. It's a platformer like Mario,
• 1:23:01
  but you're being chased from behind by enemies from the
• 1:23:03
  second it begins. Very weird game.
• 1:23:06
  Yeah, I will say, actually watching back the gameplay
• 1:23:09
  footage of that, it reminded me of a scene that I didn't mention
• 1:23:12
  in the review where there's a scene where Ray Liotta is sort
• 1:23:18
  of thrown into this like fight pit against this really big
• 1:23:23
  dude. And they both have these like
• 1:23:25
  Spears. And there's, there's like a like
• 1:23:29
  spike pit or something on either side of them or like water.
• 1:23:33
  And it's like setting it up to be this big fight sequence.
• 1:23:36
  And I, and I, I remembered this because I was watching the
• 1:23:39
  gameplay footage and, and it sort of sets that up.
• 1:23:42
  You get to a screen and there's like a guy standing there with
• 1:23:44
  like a big spear weapon. And I was like, Oh yeah, it's
• 1:23:47
  like the scene in the movie, because he like Indiana Jones.
• 1:23:51
  This guy basically like it's setting up to where they're
• 1:23:54
  going to have this big fight and then regular just immediately
• 1:23:57
  just throws the spear into his chest and the guy dies.
• 1:24:01
  It's just very. Like that's a bit different from
• 1:24:03
  the game where, as I recall, I kicked him in the ankle several
• 1:24:06
  times until he died. Yeah, it was pretty much the
• 1:24:08
  same actually. So that's pretty much.
• 1:24:10
  The same. That is a good bit though, of
• 1:24:12
  all the bits to reuse the Indiana Jones shooting the guy
• 1:24:14
  thing. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:24:16
  So I just that that felt worth mentioning because it was
• 1:24:18
  something that I thought was fun that I that we didn't talk about
• 1:24:20
  before. Absolutely no escape.
• 1:24:23
  I think possibly again, in my like, top three of like movies
• 1:24:27
  you reviewed for the show, I just really enjoyed that
• 1:24:28
  conversation. Not so much Rushmore.
• 1:24:34
  Half of that episode. I feel like I spent the entire
• 1:24:37
  Rushmore review just like trying to articulate one idea about how
• 1:24:42
  the movie must read for someone who can relate to its core, like
• 1:24:46
  main character Max versus somebody who has maybe been the
• 1:24:49
  victim of the kind of advances that he was doing to the woman
• 1:24:52
  in the story. And I don't know if that
• 1:24:54
  derailed the conversation too much or not, but it's a very
• 1:24:56
  divisive movie for me because I think it was relatively well
• 1:25:00
  made, but also didn't like, I don't know, I don't feel like it
• 1:25:05
  fully explored the ramifications of what it was about.
• 1:25:09
  Yeah, yeah. Like, I wish I had picked
• 1:25:13
  another one of his films from that era because this was maybe
• 1:25:19
  not. I don't think this was his first
• 1:25:20
  film that he ever made, but it was. 2nd I believe.
• 1:25:23
  Yeah. Yeah, I can feature.
• 1:25:25
  Right. Exactly.
• 1:25:26
  Yeah, that's a good, that's a good distinction.
• 1:25:28
  So yeah, that's unfortunate. Rushmore just sounded like kind
• 1:25:32
  of a bummer because. It was, and I think it didn't
• 1:25:35
  want to be a bummer. I think it wanted to be a
• 1:25:38
  somewhat abusing case study about the emotions behind an
• 1:25:43
  obviously unrealistic like romantic pinting.
• 1:25:47
  Max in the story is a 15 year old who decides that he's in
• 1:25:51
  love with an adult woman who teaches at his school.
• 1:25:54
  And the story is largely about him trying to come to grips with
• 1:25:57
  the fact that, like, that's not a realistic thing to pursue.
• 1:26:00
  But in telling that story, I think there were some decisions
• 1:26:03
  made that, I don't know, it just it made the character less
• 1:26:07
  sympathetic than I think they wanted him to be.
• 1:26:09
  And I tried to articulate, like in detail why that was in the
• 1:26:12
  review. I still thought the movie was
• 1:26:13
  decent. As I recall, I gave it a six out
• 1:26:16
  of 10. So like it's not a bad film, but
• 1:26:19
  I think what I ultimately ended up saying was like just watch
• 1:26:22
  any later Wes Anderson movie because this has all the DNA of
• 1:26:26
  his future stuff, but it's an unrefined work compared to what
• 1:26:29
  he has made since. So just go literally grab
• 1:26:33
  anything he made in like the 2000s onward and you'll probably
• 1:26:37
  have a better time. Yeah, Yep, that's like I said, I
• 1:26:41
  should have picked another one from the 90s, so.
• 1:26:43
  Now that's It wasn't a bad pick. It was a very interesting pick.
• 1:26:46
  I was just, I don't know, I had mixed mixed feelings about it
• 1:26:49
  and it showed in the in the final score.
• 1:26:52
  We go from there into season 1, episode 10.
• 1:26:56
  This, this is the worst thing of all time.
• 1:27:02
  Frank, you asked me to watch for our Thanksgiving episode on a
• 1:27:05
  day where we give thanks. You asked me to watch Sphere 2
• 1:27:12
  out of 10. I have no further comments about
• 1:27:15
  Sphere. We spent an hour in the in, like
• 1:27:19
  the final edited version of that episode is like 50 minutes of
• 1:27:24
  just me trying to communicate the plot of Sphere and how
• 1:27:27
  stupid and gibberish it was. I don't even think we got into
• 1:27:31
  much analysis because it was so hard just to explain what that
• 1:27:34
  movie is to someone who had not seen it themselves.
• 1:27:36
  Yeah, yeah. I listened back to that review
• 1:27:40
  while I was driving to join our family for Thanksgiving dinner,
• 1:27:45
  and you know I came in upset. Hey, happy Thanksgiving Like I
• 1:27:53
  can't right now. I got to go to my room and
• 1:27:55
  they're like you don't live here, but he's I'm sorry, I'm
• 1:27:57
  going to the room. I.
• 1:27:58
  Got to go to a a room. Any room.
• 1:28:00
  It's not this one. Preferably a cube shaped room,
• 1:28:04
  not a sphere if that's available.
• 1:28:05
  There's just no spherical food. Get those meatballs away from
• 1:28:08
  me. We weren't serving meat.
• 1:28:10
  Where did you get them? I brought them with me, yeah.
• 1:28:14
  As an example, in case there wasn't any spherical food.
• 1:28:17
  This is what I don't want. Yeah, yeah, Sphere may be angry.
• 1:28:22
  Sphere got a 2 out of 10. It's just everything we've said
• 1:28:26
  about the other movies that underwhelmed us.
• 1:28:28
  But more so, it's an inarticulate movie that the lead
• 1:28:32
  actor said on the record was like unfinished when it was
• 1:28:36
  released. Yeah, that's the yeah, that's a
• 1:28:39
  huge take away there because I feel like what audiences got
• 1:28:45
  with that movie was just a complete hodgepodge of just what
• 1:28:50
  they had time to do basically. And that with something that's
• 1:28:54
  such a heady premise that like deep kind of sci-fi stuff.
• 1:28:59
  That one was really surprising to me.
• 1:29:02
  There was some of these, you know, like the one we're going
• 1:29:04
  to talk about next where I was like bad reviews, but I'm going
• 1:29:07
  to I'm going to pick it anyway. Sphere though, I was just like,
• 1:29:11
  how bad could it be? Like, look at it, you know, and
• 1:29:14
  then it was just abysmally bad, so.
• 1:29:16
  Just holding the meatball in his hand, like look at it, how bad
• 1:29:19
  could it be? Look at that.
• 1:29:20
  It's just a little round guy. Round Guy Yeah, that should have
• 1:29:25
  been the title of that episode. It so irritated me.
• 1:29:29
  I did post a summary review on Reddit from our official Meet
• 1:29:35
  Your double feature account, just like drum up interest in
• 1:29:37
  that episode. And I had a lot of people in the
• 1:29:39
  comments telling me the book is much better because it's
• 1:29:41
  originally a Michael Crichton novel, same guy who made like
• 1:29:44
  Jurassic Park and a bunch of other stuff.
• 1:29:46
  And a lot of people really liked the book.
• 1:29:48
  So you're one of those people who reads things, go reads, but
• 1:29:53
  don't watch it. Yeah, yeah, whatever.
• 1:29:55
  I'm sure the book is great. That's not what we had to watch,
• 1:29:57
  though. Like this is, you know this is.
• 1:30:00
  It's not. Read your double feature.
• 1:30:02
  Yeah. The sphere was bad, and then
• 1:30:05
  kind of a double whammy because you didn't like yours either,
• 1:30:07
  right? I asked you to watch Memphis
• 1:30:09
  Belle, which was a World War 2 drama.
• 1:30:12
  Not sure what I was on at the time, but yeah.
• 1:30:15
  Me neither. I think you were like
• 1:30:17
  Thanksgiving, World War 2, these two things.
• 1:30:20
  That's kind of yeah. That was basically the word
• 1:30:21
  associated. I was like Thanksgiving,
• 1:30:22
  meatball, World War 2. Is this something?
• 1:30:25
  This is something right? This is something.
• 1:30:29
  Yeah, Memphis Belle, as I mentioned, it had some
• 1:30:33
  impressive technical aspects. It had a scale to it, it more so
• 1:30:40
  than any other film that we watched.
• 1:30:43
  It felt like the first act sort of promised what the rest of the
• 1:30:48
  movie was going to be like, and it just didn't deliver on that
• 1:30:50
  at all. It just from the second act
• 1:30:54
  onward just was this very claustrophobic and just visually
• 1:31:00
  uninteresting and not that dramatic either type film.
• 1:31:05
  And I mean, I'm not like a World War Two guy or anything either.
• 1:31:11
  So it's like if there was some element of that there, it was
• 1:31:15
  lost on me in terms of like, you know, I'm sure there's there's
• 1:31:19
  people out there that are like, oh, that kind of bomber, you
• 1:31:22
  know, that's really interesting. I was like, not none of that,
• 1:31:25
  Yeah. I'm like World War 2 dads in the
• 1:31:27
  chat. Yeah, Let us know.
• 1:31:30
  Yeah. Why is that interesting?
• 1:31:32
  Why do you there's, there's better things out there, you
• 1:31:34
  know. Yeah, but.
• 1:31:36
  Surely you've not exhausted all of the good ones.
• 1:31:39
  Yeah. And then they turn on sphere and
• 1:31:41
  they're like, I don't know, I'm going to go back to my to my
• 1:31:43
  boring planes. Yeah, Sphere's even worse.
• 1:31:45
  I gave that to Memphis Belle. You gave a three out of 10, so
• 1:31:49
  both near the bottom. Quite a stinker in terms of our
• 1:31:52
  actual recommendations, although the episode was pretty funny.
• 1:31:55
  Yeah, the. Episode is fun, the films are
• 1:31:57
  bad that and that's that's part of the fun.
• 1:31:59
  All right, well, we'll go from that straight into episode 11.
• 1:32:02
  Frank, you opened us up on that one with 1997's The Wrong Guy,
• 1:32:06
  which was a Canadian, as I later learned, direct to video comedy
• 1:32:10
  film from the minds of the people who made the Kids in the
• 1:32:14
  Hall TV show. Yeah, and I really liked this
• 1:32:16
  one. I I think what did I give a 7
• 1:32:19
  out of 10? 7 out of 10.
• 1:32:21
  All right, cool. Yeah, no, that's that's totally
• 1:32:24
  valid. This one, as you just mentioned,
• 1:32:27
  you know that 7 out of 10 feels very non committal in terms of
• 1:32:32
  like how you feel about a movie. But I feel like this one, that's
• 1:32:37
  exactly where it lands because I appreciated it.
• 1:32:41
  I liked it. It didn't go above and beyond,
• 1:32:44
  but it didn't overstay its welcome either.
• 1:32:46
  It was just a very competent comedy film that was written and
• 1:32:51
  performed by very competent comedians.
• 1:32:55
  Like it was funny. It was just really funny.
• 1:32:59
  It's. A funny movie.
• 1:33:00
  Yeah. Every time we've talked about a
• 1:33:02
  comedy, no matter how much we dance around it, ultimately the
• 1:33:05
  question is just did you find the comedy funny and it
• 1:33:08
  throughout the season? A lot of time the answer was no,
• 1:33:10
  but for the wrong guy. It was like, yeah, no, this is
• 1:33:12
  just a funny comedy on paper with good performances.
• 1:33:17
  There you go. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 1:33:19
  So I, I stand by that 7 out of 10 for that one.
• 1:33:22
  Yeah. We move on to my pick, which you
• 1:33:24
  kind of teed us up on Cutthroat Island from 1995.
• 1:33:28
  This one, this was the most recent episode that's been
• 1:33:31
  edited and released at time of recording, so the conversation
• 1:33:33
  is very fresh for me. It's such a baffling one.
• 1:33:36
  It was a movie that was very expensive and had a lot going in
• 1:33:40
  its favor, and a lot of the work done in the final product is
• 1:33:43
  like very competent. Good music, looks nice,
• 1:33:46
  interesting stunts, but just absolutely horrible performances
• 1:33:51
  and writing that sink whatever this movie could have been on
• 1:33:55
  paper as soon as it begins. I mean just an awful film that
• 1:34:00
  is lost in editing and was just it had no shot.
• 1:34:04
  There were so many pre production hurdles that we
• 1:34:06
  detailed in in the full episode that there was just no way this
• 1:34:09
  was ever going to be good. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:34:14
  Which part of me had a hope? I was like maybe everyone else
• 1:34:18
  is wrong and it is good. I mean, we've had a couple
• 1:34:23
  examples of that where we were not aligned with the popular
• 1:34:26
  opinion about the movie. You kind of like Soldier.
• 1:34:29
  You didn't like Rifters. I mean, there was there was
• 1:34:31
  enough to be suspicious that maybe there was something fun to
• 1:34:34
  this movie, but ultimately the bad just outweighs the good way
• 1:34:37
  too much. Including the lead actor Geena
• 1:34:40
  Davis, who publicly it was known she didn't want to do the movie
• 1:34:43
  because of the state it had fallen into.
• 1:34:45
  And that shines through so much in the performance.
• 1:34:47
  It looks like she's trying to make the movie bomb on purpose.
• 1:34:50
  Which is a bummer. I mean, if that, yeah, if you
• 1:34:53
  can clearly see that on screen, you're like, well, if she's not
• 1:34:56
  happy, I'm not enjoying this either, so.
• 1:34:59
  Exactly, exactly. It just there's nothing fun
• 1:35:02
  about it. And this kind of swashbuckling
• 1:35:03
  action adventure story has to be fun.
• 1:35:05
  It doesn't have to be smart or good, but if it's not fun, it's
• 1:35:09
  like, what am I doing here? I don't want to see like the guy
• 1:35:13
  on the Pirates of the Caribbean ride at Disney when he's having
• 1:35:15
  like a bad day and he's just like yar and whatever.
• 1:35:20
  You talk about like the animatronic people at the
• 1:35:23
  Disneyland rides aren't. There real people.
• 1:35:25
  I've never been to Disneyland. This is an uninformed analogy.
• 1:35:31
  Yeah, I assume there was real pirate man.
• 1:35:34
  There, there was real. I I think this is this.
• 1:35:38
  I think this is actually true. The originally they used real
• 1:35:43
  like human remains for the like skeletons on the Disneyland ride
• 1:35:48
  because yeah, I've. Heard that?
• 1:35:51
  Come on. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:35:54
  I mean, Google it like to verify, but I've heard that
• 1:35:58
  enough that I think it's it's verifiable.
• 1:36:02
  That's crazy. How has there not been like a
• 1:36:03
  ghost story set at Disney's Pirates of the Caribbean ride
• 1:36:06
  where the ghost pirates come back?
• 1:36:08
  Except they wouldn't be pirates because they'd be random other
• 1:36:11
  dead people. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:36:13
  I don't know. Or it'd be the Ghost Doctor from
• 1:36:16
  the Pirates of the Caribbean ride.
• 1:36:20
  Yeah, no, it's mostly it's, it's, I think entirely I, I've
• 1:36:23
  been on the ride once or twice. It scared me a lot as a child,
• 1:36:26
  actually. I think it's entirely
• 1:36:28
  animatronics. I think they added like a Johnny
• 1:36:30
  Depp animatronic that was not they're.
• 1:36:33
  Wait, you run the Pirates of the Caribbean ride as a child?
• 1:36:36
  Yeah, yeah. But really, really.
• 1:36:38
  Young it's a family vacation. I think you.
• 1:36:41
  I think you weren't born yet. I.
• 1:36:42
  Think that was why you missed it, picturing like 10 year old
• 1:36:48
  you on a ride and me just at home.
• 1:36:49
  Like man, where is everybody? Gone for a while, playing a lot
• 1:36:54
  of video games here. A lot of, oh, video games.
• 1:36:57
  There was also a Super Nintendo Cutthroat Island game which I
• 1:37:01
  could not get working, so I played the Sega Genesis version
• 1:37:03
  instead. And that even harder than the No
• 1:37:06
  Escape game. Both extremely difficult, that
• 1:37:09
  one. Looked more fun though compared
• 1:37:11
  to the no escape one. It was the no escape one felt
• 1:37:14
  cheap. The cut the Rhode Island game
• 1:37:16
  was like well realized but had that arcade machine kind of
• 1:37:20
  ethos behind it where you had a set number of lives and if you
• 1:37:25
  died enough on level one that sometimes you'd get into level 2
• 1:37:28
  and only have like one life left.
• 1:37:30
  And the second level of the game is this stupid vehicle section
• 1:37:33
  where you just have to guess whether or not like the left or
• 1:37:35
  the right side of the road is going to have an obstacle on it.
• 1:37:38
  And it's just a memorization game.
• 1:37:39
  So I had to play the first level like 6 times just to get enough
• 1:37:43
  attempts to try to memorize the other part.
• 1:37:45
  And then I finally made it to Level 3 and I broke the game
• 1:37:47
  somehow. I beat every enemy on screen and
• 1:37:49
  just couldn't continue. Where was the end?
• 1:37:52
  They just were like, nobody's made it this far.
• 1:37:54
  Like nobody has that many. Quarters.
• 1:37:57
  Do you know how many? Grifters scams you'd have to do
• 1:37:59
  to get enough quarters to get to this point in the game on your
• 1:38:02
  Sega Genesis? Are you kidding me?
• 1:38:04
  Yeah, Jackie's ex Big grift was actually just financing
• 1:38:07
  Cutthroat Island the movie. That's too big.
• 1:38:10
  Too big of a grift? Well, that's the one we didn't
• 1:38:12
  get to. See.
• 1:38:13
  Yeah, that's true. That's true.
• 1:38:15
  All right. Episode 12, last one of the
• 1:38:17
  season. This recap has gone so much
• 1:38:19
  longer than I thought it would, but I don't know why I thought
• 1:38:21
  it would take less time because it's 24, so I think I went first
• 1:38:29
  again. Frank, you decided to end season
• 1:38:31
  1 by having me watch a made for TV movie, which I just think is
• 1:38:34
  a funny choice. Yeah, got you got.
• 1:38:37
  You got me. Indeed.
• 1:38:41
  You had me watch Babylon 5 The Gathering, which is like the
• 1:38:43
  pilot for the Babylon 5 sci-fi TV series that followed a year
• 1:38:48
  or so after. We really just talked a lot
• 1:38:51
  about Star Trek during this review because Babylon 5 the
• 1:38:55
  movie is fine. It's pretty good, but it feels
• 1:39:00
  like watching TV and not a film. So there's just a kind of
• 1:39:03
  general acceptance of like the production level is very
• 1:39:05
  different. There was no prestige TV shows
• 1:39:08
  at this time where it would look like you were watching a movie.
• 1:39:10
  It was it was ATV show, but for 90 minutes.
• 1:39:14
  Yeah, yeah. And we learned that it's was
• 1:39:18
  actually the precursor to our favorite Star Trek series, Deep
• 1:39:22
  Space 9. And Deep Space 9 was seemingly
• 1:39:25
  the one that actually borrowed a lot of concepts from this one.
• 1:39:28
  Yeah, I spent the whole movie thinking it was the opposite
• 1:39:30
  'cause I thought you had said that when you pitched it and I
• 1:39:32
  just misheard, I guess. So I spent the whole movie being
• 1:39:34
  like, I can't believe how much this movie ripped off Deep Space
• 1:39:38
  9, my favorite show. How embarrassing.
• 1:39:41
  And then I looked it up and it was the opposite.
• 1:39:42
  And I was like, well, there's probably more to this, you know,
• 1:39:44
  we shouldn't cast judgements. World War 2 bombers and stuff
• 1:39:48
  so. Yeah, World War 2 bombers.
• 1:39:49
  Yeah. Yeah, John Cusack.
• 1:39:52
  So yeah, Babylon 5 is like, hard to explain because sci-fi lore
• 1:39:56
  is dense and if you're watching something that's brand new and
• 1:40:00
  has to introduce every new concept to you as it goes, just
• 1:40:03
  takes forever to explain. Like I think a lot of people
• 1:40:05
  through osmosis will know that Star Trek has Klingons and
• 1:40:10
  Vulcans. Because they've, like, heard it
• 1:40:11
  before. You don't really need to spend a
• 1:40:13
  lot of time introducing what that is.
• 1:40:16
  You can understand it in context.
• 1:40:17
  Whereas Babylon 5 is like, you've never seen any of this.
• 1:40:19
  We have to tell you every alien, every major character, the
• 1:40:23
  history of our entire world in as few words as possible.
• 1:40:26
  So it's like, it was interesting.
• 1:40:28
  I think I gave it a 7 because it was like, yeah, pretty good, but
• 1:40:31
  very hard to give a complete judgement because it was so
• 1:40:33
  obviously just a launchpad for a show.
• 1:40:36
  Yeah, yeah, I was hoping it would be a little more than
• 1:40:40
  that. I was hoping it would sort of
• 1:40:41
  transcend that idea a bit because I've seen some pilots
• 1:40:45
  like for shows that tell a really complete story, they they
• 1:40:50
  still leave it open-ended, but it's like kind of like this is
• 1:40:53
  what you're getting and, you know, and here's our kind of
• 1:40:55
  best foot forward. And so I was hoping, given that
• 1:40:58
  this was a movie as opposed to like just a regular length
• 1:41:01
  episode, that it might have it leaned more in that direction,
• 1:41:05
  but. It does, I mean it does give you
• 1:41:08
  1 full mystery that it resolves that has a climax and then they
• 1:41:12
  give you some lore heading into the rest of the show.
• 1:41:15
  You could even say maybe they don't give enough of a lead in
• 1:41:17
  to the show because you mostly just have this one like mystery
• 1:41:21
  surrounding your central character.
• 1:41:23
  But the show, sorry, the movie The Gathering did also suffer
• 1:41:27
  from being kind of low budget like in feel.
• 1:41:30
  I mean Star Trek may have apparently ripped it off
• 1:41:31
  completely, but it is a very high production value show for
• 1:41:36
  the time. Some things have an age 12, but
• 1:41:37
  whatever. Babylon 5 looks cheap.
• 1:41:40
  I mean there's people wearing I'll fitting clothes and there's
• 1:41:43
  like really good alien makeup. But then some other people just
• 1:41:46
  they didn't even try. Like it's a giant mixed bag of a
• 1:41:50
  production that felt like a proof of concept and not like a
• 1:41:53
  a hype machine movie. Yeah, yeah, that's, that's,
• 1:41:57
  that's kind of a shame. I mean, 7 out of 10 is not bad.
• 1:41:59
  That's a respectable score, but. It and that speaks to how
• 1:42:03
  competent the writing is in the movie.
• 1:42:05
  Like I'm sure Babylon 5 the show has a pretty good narrative push
• 1:42:09
  because a lot of it comes from the brain of this one guy who
• 1:42:12
  wrote like 90% of everything that was ever written for
• 1:42:15
  Babylon 5. And it is good.
• 1:42:16
  It's a competent sci-fi drama. If you like Star Trek but have
• 1:42:19
  watched everything from the 80s and 90s, definitely watch
• 1:42:22
  Babylon 5. Maybe you already have, but as a
• 1:42:25
  movie for like general viewing by itself, I I wouldn't give it
• 1:42:29
  anything above a 7 because it's kind of hard to get into that.
• 1:42:33
  Yeah, that's valid. That's bad blood five last movie
• 1:42:36
  of the season also weirdly has a sci-fi connection, even though
• 1:42:40
  it's not a sci-fi film. The cutting edge.
• 1:42:43
  I picked this one for you, Frank, because it made me laugh
• 1:42:45
  when I looked at the credits. It's a romance story about two
• 1:42:51
  people from different worlds. She's a figure skater and he's a
• 1:42:54
  hockey man. But the person who wrote the
• 1:42:57
  film was Tony Gilroy, who many, many years later would write
• 1:43:01
  Rogue One for Star Wars and write and or the like extremely
• 1:43:04
  popular show. I just thought the contrast
• 1:43:06
  between him doing all these like really big scale political
• 1:43:10
  sci-fi stories against cheeky young adult like sports romance
• 1:43:15
  was too hard to pass up. Yeah, no.
• 1:43:18
  And like I enjoyed this one. Remind me when I scored it.
• 1:43:21
  You gave Cutting Edge A5 out of 10, and this, I will say is the
• 1:43:24
  one that I did go back and watch.
• 1:43:26
  I like, I think like the day after we recorded that episode,
• 1:43:29
  I went back and watched it as well and I completely agree.
• 1:43:31
  I also would have given it a 5 out of 10.
• 1:43:33
  Right. It's very middle of the road,
• 1:43:35
  but yeah, like not in a bad way. It's like leaning over into that
• 1:43:39
  positive side of that even split.
• 1:43:41
  I liked it, but I don't feel like I was missing anything
• 1:43:45
  having not seen it. That yeah, that's a good way to
• 1:43:47
  put it. That's a good way to put it.
• 1:43:48
  It was the the two leads had good chemistry and charisma.
• 1:43:54
  And it was a fun, if not like basic concept.
• 1:44:00
  Yeah. And felt like a kind of a
• 1:44:02
  blending of two genres, like it was a sports romance movie.
• 1:44:05
  So there's a lot of appeal, like general appeal there.
• 1:44:09
  A lot of general appeal. I mean, if you're someone who
• 1:44:11
  likes romances, I think the romance elements to the story
• 1:44:14
  are pretty good. It's a classic enemies to
• 1:44:17
  lovers, as they say, because the figure skater woman is very like
• 1:44:20
  standoffish and is always trying to kind of scare off her new her
• 1:44:23
  new partners because she thinks none of them are good enough.
• 1:44:25
  And so of course when this guy comes in and he's like a roguish
• 1:44:28
  hockey player man, he doesn't know what he's doing.
• 1:44:30
  And so it kind of creates this friction.
• 1:44:31
  At the beginning, I did think the movie had some interesting
• 1:44:33
  lighting. Like it was a fairly well shot
• 1:44:37
  film, although they were very hesitant to actually show a lot
• 1:44:40
  of ice skating. It was very like, we can't
• 1:44:43
  easily show you the people doing it, the actors.
• 1:44:46
  So we're going to do a lot of close-ups and shadows during the
• 1:44:48
  actual like third act ice skating parts.
• 1:44:51
  Yeah, which I, I did think lent itself to some good
• 1:44:54
  cinematography at times where the the like stunt performers
• 1:44:58
  who were filling in and actually doing the skating were
• 1:45:01
  silhouetted with some sort of bright overpowering lights
• 1:45:05
  behind them. And I, I thought that looked
• 1:45:07
  really good, especially when they like would sparingly cut to
• 1:45:10
  some some pretty wide shots. I, I thought those looked really
• 1:45:13
  cool. You could have used more of that
• 1:45:15
  though. That's what I mean, like it was
• 1:45:17
  a good cover up for what they had to depict on screen, but
• 1:45:21
  because of how effortful it probably was to even do what
• 1:45:23
  they did, the movie felt like it was skipping over parts that
• 1:45:26
  should have been more climactic. Like I anticipated we'd spend
• 1:45:29
  more time watching them do their final skate routine, but it kind
• 1:45:32
  of just comes and goes and the actual story beat happens before
• 1:45:35
  they begin. I don't know, I think there's
• 1:45:37
  more you could have done, but the movie was probably made
• 1:45:39
  really quickly and for what it was, it was surprisingly fun to
• 1:45:42
  watch. So strong.
• 1:45:43
  Five out of 10. Yeah, good, good, closer, good
• 1:45:45
  one to add on. Good, closer, kind of seasonal,
• 1:45:48
  kind of wintry. We released that one.
• 1:45:50
  That's our Christmas Day episode.
• 1:45:52
  Doesn't feel like it because I think we forget to bring that up
• 1:45:54
  until the episode's like almost done, but.
• 1:45:56
  It's fine people. People will know what day it is.
• 1:45:59
  People will know what day it is when they're like, sorry kids,
• 1:46:02
  we got to open the presents in a few hours.
• 1:46:04
  I got to catch the new Meet You double feature.
• 1:46:07
  Yeah, play for the kids. That's what they like for the
• 1:46:10
  kids. What is our show if not for the
• 1:46:12
  kids? Babylon 5.
• 1:46:14
  They love it. Babylon 5.
• 1:46:16
  They want to hear about the history of the Volcar and the
• 1:46:21
  Drapnar or whatever it was. Play the door.
• 1:46:24
  Door closing sound. Play the door closing sound.
• 1:46:27
  All right Frank, that was an exhaustive recap of season 1.
• 1:46:31
  I would say pretty thorough. Hopefully if you have not caught
• 1:46:35
  much of our first season, this was kind of a good primer.
• 1:46:37
  We are continuing right into Season 2, although we'll have a
• 1:46:40
  bit of a different style bonus episode coming up after this
• 1:46:43
  one. But join us in four weeks time
• 1:46:45
  when we formally kick off Season 2.
• 1:46:48
  Originally I was going to have us discuss the premise for
• 1:46:51
  Season 2 at the end of this recording, but because we've
• 1:46:53
  gone long, I think we'll just figure that out off Mike.
• 1:46:56
  Yeah, that sounds good. So.
• 1:46:58
  Just stay tuned to our socials. Meet Your doublefeature.com is
• 1:47:02
  our website where you can listen to full episodes and read
• 1:47:04
  written reviews. We also are on social media
• 1:47:07
  Instagram at Meet Your Double Feature and also on Blue Sky at
• 1:47:10
  Mydf Pod. And then Frank because I, I
• 1:47:13
  think I forgot to help you pitch this last time.
• 1:47:15
  What is the website folks can go to to follow your filmmaking
• 1:47:18
  exploits? Exploits.
• 1:47:22
  Misadventures. Schemes.
• 1:47:25
  Grips. Yeah, you can.
• 1:47:28
  You can keep up with our exploits as Thomas put it, at
• 1:47:32
  Sardonic. That is Sardonic mp.com for
• 1:47:38
  Sardonic Motion Pictures. That is the name of the
• 1:47:40
  production company that our first independent film was
• 1:47:44
  released under. So you can get updates on when
• 1:47:48
  that will be available on streaming early next year and
• 1:47:53
  any future updates about our upcoming projects.
• 1:47:56
  Fantastic. Yeah, stay tuned for that.
• 1:47:58
  We talked a lot in our first season about the Film Festival
• 1:48:00
  run of Frank's Company's first film, Nate and Ryan Venice,
• 1:48:04
  which was super fun. We were able to promote those
• 1:48:05
  shows as they came and went. But yeah, heading into Season 2,
• 1:48:08
  it'll be more about the streaming release.
• 1:48:10
  So thank you all for listening. This was our Season 1 recap
• 1:48:13
  episode coming up in two weeks. On Thursday, we are going to
• 1:48:16
  have the debut of a new spinoff series here at Meet Your Double
• 1:48:19
  Feature that we're both very excited about.
• 1:48:21
  And then two weeks following that, we will be kicking off a
• 1:48:23
  brand new season. We're going to reset the
• 1:48:25
  leaderboard. So, Frank, for the folks
• 1:48:27
  watching on the YouTube version, I'm going to put up the final
• 1:48:29
  leaderboard right now, which I guess is the definitive list of
• 1:48:33
  the top forgotten 90s films. Yeah, the end, if you will.
• 1:48:38
  This is it. There's clearly nothing that we
• 1:48:40
  missed. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:48:42
  If you think there's something we missed, don't tell us.
• 1:48:44
  We don't want to know. Don't tell us.
• 1:48:46
  We don't want to hear about it. It's Gamera.
• 1:48:49
  It's. Gamera Gamera was the best one.
• 1:48:52
  It's just Gamera. The worst is sphere.
• 1:48:56
  Sphere should be like 500 places below everything else because
• 1:48:59
  it's that bad. But do watch camera.
• 1:49:01
  Do watch shoot fighter, pump up the volume.
• 1:49:04
  Anything in the top five? Very good.
• 1:49:06
  You don't watch whatever you want.
• 1:49:08
  You do you watch. Whatever you want, don't listen
• 1:49:10
  to me. Don't listen to people in your
• 1:49:12
  ears. All right, that's it.
• 1:49:19
  I'll see you in two weeks. Thank you for listening.