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The Mysterious Death of Gaurav Tiwari · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: What is it that goes bump in the night? Is
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  Speaker 1: it something explainable? Is it something human? In many cases
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  Speaker 1: we've covered, it is a person with cruel intentions. But
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  Speaker 1: not all mysteries are so easily solved. Today's story follows
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  Speaker 1: someone who set out to uncover the truth about the unknown,
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  Speaker 1: only to be claimed by it instead. This is a
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  Speaker 1: story of Garave Tuari.
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  Speaker 2: My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked
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  Speaker 2: and Grim, a true crime podcast.
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  Speaker 1: The following podcast material in a mature audience listener discretion
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  Speaker 1: is advised.
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  Speaker 3: A true crime podcast.
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  Speaker 1: A true crime podcast.
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  Speaker 3: That is what we are.
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  Speaker 1: That is indeed what we are, a little fun fact.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys are aware when you
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  Speaker 1: listen to episode episode episode over and over again, or
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  Speaker 1: back to back or whatever, but when we actually do
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  Speaker 1: the intros, when we say my name's Ben, I'm Nicole,
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  Speaker 1: and you're listening, all right, sorry, I'm already fucking up.
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  Speaker 2: My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked
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  Speaker 2: and Grim.
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  Speaker 1: A true crime podcast. We actually record that every single episode.
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  Speaker 1: That's not a plunkin pre recorded thing.
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  Speaker 3: It's usually me who fucks it. Up, so I find
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  Speaker 3: it up that time.
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  Speaker 2: Like half the time, I'm just like, how does it
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  Speaker 2: go again, even though I've been doing it.
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  Speaker 1: Like forever, almost two hundred and fifty episodes. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, we've got quite the story today. It's a
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  Speaker 1: bit of a different kind of tale. It's not just
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  Speaker 1: true crime. I mean, hey, at the end of this
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  Speaker 1: you might arguably say there could be a crime involved,
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  Speaker 1: but we are focusing a little bit more on the
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  Speaker 1: paranormal today. Okay, Yeah, have you heard of the name
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  Speaker 1: Garov Twari?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 2: Not? No?
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  Speaker 3: Really is that weird?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: Probably not. You're not much of a paranormal individual. I
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  Speaker 1: have not heard of his name per se. I mean
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  Speaker 1: I probably have, I just don't recognize it remember it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but I do recognize his face a bit when I
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  Speaker 1: was doing this research. I've seen this guy somewhere before.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, he is a bit of an interesting individual,
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  Speaker 1: to say the least. And yeah, he dives into the
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  Speaker 1: world of the unknown, the ghostly, the spiritual, the paranormal.
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  Speaker 1: And we're going to talk all about him today because
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  Speaker 1: he's got quite the interesting story to go with it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, And then we have some patrons to think too,
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  Speaker 2: don't we.
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  Speaker 1: We do. Before we get into any more of the
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  Speaker 1: story of Garov, we got to talk about our patrons
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, thank you so much.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. If you're interested in joining yourself, you can
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  Speaker 1: we have anything else we really got to talk about?
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  Speaker 1: Or should we just dive into this this case?
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  Speaker 2: I think probably just dive in. Hey, okay, I'm kind
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  Speaker 2: of intrigued to yours.
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  Speaker 3: Let's do it.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just dive in. I do want to preface it
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  Speaker 1: by saying that there's a good chance that we're going
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  Speaker 1: to fly through this case pretty quickly. There's not a
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  Speaker 1: whole lot of information really on it, and the stuff
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  Speaker 1: that is out there is in a different language that
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  Speaker 1: I cannot understand. So my research was somewhat limited, but
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  Speaker 1: I believe I got everything that we need for the story.
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  Speaker 1: We're probably just going to go through it a little
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  Speaker 1: bit quicker than normal, because I mean, when we talk
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  Speaker 1: about true crime, we're talking about dates, individuals, alibis, allegations, courts, right,
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of information. There's not so much of
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  Speaker 1: that in this, So there's a lot less of like
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  Speaker 1: digging for those specifics really, and the specifics we want
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  Speaker 1: we unfortunately don't get.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so yay yay, So here.
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  Speaker 1: We go, though, just wanted to preface it with this.
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  Speaker 1: It is a bit of a different story today, but
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  Speaker 1: I think you'll still like it. So the world of
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  Speaker 1: paranormal is a very interesting world, and it's a very
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  Speaker 1: mysterious place too. We still know very little about these
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  Speaker 1: unseen forces, and you know, these things such as ghosts
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  Speaker 1: or spirits and demons, and the question is do they
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  Speaker 1: or do they not exist? Exist? I forgot the tea
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  Speaker 1: on the end of exist. For some the draw pairs
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  Speaker 1: normal is extremely strong. They feel the need and the
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  Speaker 1: desire to investigate, to dig deeper, and they want to
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  Speaker 1: find some answers. Our subject today is no different. His
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  Speaker 1: name is Garov Tawari and he was born on September second,
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  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four in Patana, Patna, Patna. There we go, Patna, Bihar, India,
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  Speaker 1: into the middle class family that valued education and discipline.
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  Speaker 1: Now growing up in a modest yet very supportive environment,
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  Speaker 1: Garov was a bright and inquisitive kid who showed a
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  Speaker 1: very natural and natural talent and curiosity for the world
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  Speaker 1: around him. His family instilled in him a love for learning,
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  Speaker 1: which helped him excel academically from an early age. He
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  Speaker 1: exhibited a very keen interest in science, technology, and of
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  Speaker 1: course the unknown, like many kids do, asking questions you know,
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  Speaker 1: why is the sky blue? Why? Why? Why? He was
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  Speaker 1: very much so an interested kid on those unknown things,
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  Speaker 1: wanting to know an answer. Well, you got to learn
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  Speaker 1: some yeah exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: Beyond that, though, he was also interested in asking questions
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  Speaker 1: about things other people would dismiss as ordinary or just unexplained.
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  Speaker 1: So things we don't know the answers to, maybe, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: why is the sky blue? I don't know it just is?
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  Speaker 1: Maybe he did really want to know, well, no, what
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  Speaker 1: makes the sky blue? Not just that the sky is
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  Speaker 1: blue and that's a fact. He wants to know those
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  Speaker 1: those little details. Right.
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  Speaker 2: His parent's probably couldn't answer all his questions. Say, they
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  Speaker 2: seem like they were a bit next level.
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  Speaker 1: Probably not now. Despite his fascination with mysteries, his path
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  Speaker 1: appeared to be a conventional one, at least at first,
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  Speaker 1: grounded in academics and a future in a respectable profession.
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  Speaker 1: As he grew older, Grov's ambition led him to pursue
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  Speaker 1: a career in aviation, a field that reflects a very
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  Speaker 1: disciplined individual and a drive for excellence. In two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and seven, he made the move to the United States
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  Speaker 1: to begin his studying and train as a commercial pilot.
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  Speaker 1: He ended up finding a place and began attending Orlando
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  Speaker 1: Flight Training in Florida. He also later attended MVP Aero
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  Speaker 1: academ Academy, Academy, Academy.
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  Speaker 3: There we go, I me, there you go.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't had enough coffee yet this morning. I'm just
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  Speaker 1: going to say that in Texas. Although he did not
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  Speaker 1: complete the program at MVP aerow Academy, he did at
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  Speaker 1: least a ten For a while Additionally, he studied metaphysical
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  Speaker 1: science at the im HS Metaphysics Institute in Florida, where
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  Speaker 1: he earned his bachelor's degree in Metaphysical Humanistic Science. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of big words today. Now, the timeline on his
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  Speaker 1: academic pursuit and career is a little unclear in my research.
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  Speaker 1: But what I do know is that during his time
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  Speaker 1: in Florida, while focusing on his studies and building his
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  Speaker 1: his you know, soon to be career if you will,
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  Speaker 1: I guess his world would unexpectedly shift. You see, this
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  Speaker 1: is where he would have a life changing encounter with
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  Speaker 1: the paranormal in his very own apartment.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, that that sort of thing is like rare.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like for people I think having encounters, you know,
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  Speaker 2: definitely when they're not seeking it necessarily.
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  Speaker 1: Those who go and seek something, often you will find it,
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  Speaker 1: most likely because you're trying to see something many times
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  Speaker 1: that isn't there. Right, If you want to go outside
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  Speaker 1: and you want to hear something walking in the woods
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  Speaker 1: around you, like I have done hunting, many times you
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  Speaker 1: will hear cracking sticks. And it's guaranteed not to always
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  Speaker 1: be an animal, because something can fall off.
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  Speaker 3: The tree, absolutely right, Yeah, A.
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  Speaker 1: Little gust to win. Something blows over a squirrel over there.
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  Speaker 1: It's not going to sound anything like a moose. But
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  Speaker 1: when you're out there in that dead silence, hey, that
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  Speaker 1: squirrel can make a loud noise. It might make you
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  Speaker 1: think there's something over that's terrifying. Yeah. So when you're
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  Speaker 1: looking for something, oftentimes you will find it, whether it's
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  Speaker 1: the actual thing you're looking for or not, but you
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  Speaker 1: will make your brain, your brain will make you believe
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  Speaker 1: that it's that thing. Right, But he wasn't looking for anything.
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  Speaker 1: He was just living his life in his apartment and
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  Speaker 1: going to school. Now, at the time, he was living
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  Speaker 1: with four roommates. It was a bustling apartment for sure,
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  Speaker 1: but it was here in their residence he began to
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  Speaker 1: notice strange occurrences. They started off slow and grew in
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  Speaker 1: intensity over time. The things he experienced included disembodied voices, whispering,
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  Speaker 1: footsteps and objects moving on their own, and other phenomena
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  Speaker 1: that he just couldn't rationalize. With each passing day, the
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  Speaker 1: strange activity would get worse, and it got to the
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  Speaker 1: point as being described as caused by a poltergeist. Now,
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  Speaker 1: poltergeist is a type of paranormal phenomena often characterized by
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  Speaker 1: unexplained physical disturbances. The world itself comes sorry. The word
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  Speaker 1: itself comes from a German language meaning a noisy ghost,
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  Speaker 1: So poulter to make noise in geist is ghost or spirit.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: Unlike traditional ghosts, poltergeist activity involves objects moving on their own,
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  Speaker 1: unexplained sounds like knocking or banging or footsteps, electrical disturbances,
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  Speaker 1: and even items being thrown or broken.
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  Speaker 2: Dang, like so many things that you can't just like
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  Speaker 2: shove off, like exactly, my brain's like teasing me or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Like if you're something's being thrown, you can't talk yourself
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  Speaker 2: out of that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can say, did I just hear footsteps? It
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  Speaker 1: is probably my roommate or you know what, someone in
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  Speaker 1: the other apartment, or I'm just hearing things. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: if your coffee cup goes flying and smashes.
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  Speaker 2: Into the wall, that's unexplainable.
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  Speaker 1: That's a little bit different, yeah. Now. Poultergeist are often
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  Speaker 1: described as manifestations of energy rather than spirits of the deceased.
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  Speaker 1: Some theory suggests they may be linked to heightened emotional
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  Speaker 1: or psychological stress within a person or environment, particularly involving adolescents,
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  Speaker 1: which may act as a catalyst for the activity. So
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  Speaker 1: it's a little bit unlike more passive hauntings, right. Poultergeist
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  Speaker 1: are noted for their interactive and disruptive nature, making them
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  Speaker 1: both unsettling and very difficult to explain. Now, Garov wasn't
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  Speaker 1: the only one in the apartment to experience these strange activities, though.
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  Speaker 1: On one particular and settling incident involving a roommate, they
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  Speaker 1: witness an apparition of a young girl within their their apartment.
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  Speaker 2: Oh shit, yeah, that is terrifying.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would nope and be out of there real
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  Speaker 1: fucking fast.
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  Speaker 2: Well that's hard though, and it's like your home, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you can just leave necessarily.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I would be at least looking for somewhere and
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  Speaker 1: seeing if I could solve this problem of getting the
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  Speaker 1: fuck out of there as soon as I could.
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  Speaker 2: You would leave, come back with the ghostbusters, won't.
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  Speaker 1: You probably probably gonna get a copyright strike on saying
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  Speaker 1: something like that.
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  Speaker 3: You know, yeah, we won't.
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  Speaker 1: We won't, But it's funny to choke about it anyways.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: These persistent events had a huge impact on Garov. It's
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  Speaker 1: specifically with his skeptical, skeptical views that he had in
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  Speaker 1: the world around him. Right, he was very much so
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  Speaker 1: on wanting to find answers on things, and things are
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  Speaker 1: always explainable, and he was always curious about these things
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  Speaker 1: from a young age. And it seemed to spark this
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  Speaker 1: new curiosity and prompt him to dive deeper into the
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  Speaker 1: study the paranormal phenomena as he's wanting to find explanations
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  Speaker 1: and answers. And he actually dove so deep that this event,
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  Speaker 1: if you will, in his apartment would prove to be
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  Speaker 1: a life altering moment for him. See, what began as
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  Speaker 1: an unsettling experience quickly sparked his newfound purpose, a purpose
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  Speaker 1: to investigate and understand the world of the paranormal. Grov
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  Speaker 1: made a difficult choice that was hard for many to understand.
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  Speaker 1: He left behind his blooming career as a pilot and
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  Speaker 1: he made a leap of faith in his pursuit of
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  Speaker 1: becoming a paranormal investigator.
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  Speaker 3: See.
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  Speaker 2: I kind of like that because it it's always interesting
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  Speaker 2: to understand how people get, you know, to where they
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  Speaker 2: are and like what happens. Yeah that story, Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 2: so cool that he had this thing that he can't understand.
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  Speaker 2: He wants to know more, and he just actually changes
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  Speaker 2: his whole life to try to go about figuring it
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  Speaker 2: out right.
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  Speaker 1: So props to him one hundred percent because not only
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  Speaker 1: is that a ballsy move, but it's totally respectable because
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  Speaker 1: he has every reason to go and do this. He
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  Speaker 1: likes to figure out things that are generally unexplainable, and
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  Speaker 1: here you have something that happened to him that happens
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  Speaker 1: to people globally that is still unexplained to this day.
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  Speaker 1: And so he figures, you know what, there's my calling.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he already had like everything set up, you know,
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  Speaker 2: his schooling and everything, So for him to like make
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  Speaker 2: a move like that is it's not easy.
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  Speaker 3: So that's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: One percent agreed. So in two thousand and nine, he
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  Speaker 1: returned to India with a sense of a new mission.
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  Speaker 1: He began to immerse himself in studying paranormal science. Driven
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  Speaker 1: by a desire to blend his rational and scientific approach
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  Speaker 1: with the field often shrouded in superstition, fear, and of
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  Speaker 1: course skepticism, Garrov set out to dive into this world
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  Speaker 1: and bring a new perspective. But little did he know
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  Speaker 1: that this pivotal decision set the stage for his transformation
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  Speaker 1: into a leading figure in the paranormal world. He soon
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  Speaker 1: joined the Paraexus Association, an international organization for paranormal professionals,
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  Speaker 1: where he honed his investigation skills and developed a scientific
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  Speaker 1: approach for examining these unexplained phenomena. Soon he then founded
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  Speaker 1: the Indian Paranormal Society also known as the IPS, which
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  Speaker 1: is an organization aimed at investigating paranormal occurrences and educating
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  Speaker 1: the public and helping people who claim to be troubled
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  Speaker 1: by these supernatural forces within India now. At the time,
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  Speaker 1: in India, paranormal studies were largely seen as superstition. They
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  Speaker 1: were seen as folklore. But Garov worked tirelessly to change
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  Speaker 1: this person He emphasized a rational and of course scientific
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  Speaker 1: approach to investigating these hauntings, these ghost sightings, and other
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  Speaker 1: unexplained events, combining his traditional paranormal tools like EMF meters
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  Speaker 1: which read electrical magnetic fields and thermal imaging cameras with
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  Speaker 1: a skeptical and evidence base based mythology methodology. There we go.
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  Speaker 1: So he's basically saying, Okay, look, we understand that it's
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  Speaker 1: a very skeptical thing worldwide, and now we go into
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  Speaker 1: our country, we're looking more so at even folklore and superstitions,
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  Speaker 1: so people really narrow their point of view on this.
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  Speaker 1: So what we're going to do is we're going to
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  Speaker 1: use these traditional tools, these EMF readers, these thermal imaging cameras,
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  Speaker 1: and we're going to take those and we're going to
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  Speaker 1: couple science along with it. So we're not just saying,
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  Speaker 1: oh my god, we have a ghost because this tool
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  Speaker 1: has an electromagnetic reading. So he's going to go in
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  Speaker 1: and say, okay, we have an electromagnetic reading here. Why
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  Speaker 1: do we have an electromagnetic read here? Let's apply science
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  Speaker 1: and where this magnetic field can be coming from? Are
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  Speaker 1: there wires nearby or their telephone poles nearby? Is there
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  Speaker 1: anything else going on in other houses nearby? And he
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  Speaker 1: gets down to the trying to find really what is
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  Speaker 1: going on rather than just saying oh, ooh, sorry, I
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  Speaker 1: just sput my mic rather I did, but rather than
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  Speaker 1: just going, oh, it's a ghost, he's trying to find
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  Speaker 1: a legitimate answer and then if he can't, he's going, okay,
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  Speaker 1: we may actually have paranormal occurrences here.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I like the way he's going to vote this.
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  Speaker 1: Now. Under his leadership, the Indian paranormal Society grew very rapidly,
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  Speaker 1: and Garov quickly became a well known and respected name
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  Speaker 1: in the community. He and his team conducted investigations in
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  Speaker 1: some of India's most notorious haunted locations, including places like
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  Speaker 1: the Bengal Fort, which often is called the most haunted
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  Speaker 1: site in India, and of course other various locations, very
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  Speaker 1: popular ones, whether they're in hotels or homes, things like that.
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  Speaker 1: But his work didn't stop at these abandoned and famous
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  Speaker 1: locations though. He also helped families and individuals who believed
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  Speaker 1: they were experiencing hauntings or possessions in their own home.
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  Speaker 1: So he would visit residences and investigate their claims. He
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  Speaker 1: would take his findings, sometimes with rational explanations and sometimes
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  Speaker 1: with ghostly ones, and he would offer them counseling, explanations, assistants,
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  Speaker 1: whatever it is to ease their fears on what was
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  Speaker 1: going on within the walls of their home.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, see this is good because a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: in these sort of situations would probably feel like alone
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  Speaker 2: and embarrassed is probably the wrong word, but just like
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  Speaker 2: not sure how to go about it, right, yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: he's offering support to them, which is great, definitely.
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  Speaker 1: And now this is coming from a place of ignorance
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  Speaker 1: for me. I don't know every single country in the
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  Speaker 1: world and what they are with their their culture or
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  Speaker 1: their religions. So I'm going to say this that my
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  Speaker 1: assumption is that there's many more religious people in India
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  Speaker 1: than there is here in Canada, because honestly, in Canada
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  Speaker 1: it's a very low population of religious people, and I
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  Speaker 1: think it's much more over there. So you have people
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  Speaker 1: who are probably more bound in their faith and they're
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: now dealing with these sort of things. They're probably terrified
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: not only to talk about it with other people, but.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: What people could judge them, right.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Right exactly, But so not only to talk about it
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: with other people, but with how they're going to deal
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: with it. So you have someone to come in with
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: this level head like this to help them through it
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: is huge.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: And it's also like a reputable person, right yes.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: So now his investigations let him all over the place
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: and span across more than six thousand paranormal cases, making
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: him one of the most prolific investigators in his field.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Ding Dang six thousand.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Yes. His growing reputation in India or sorry, as India's
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: foremost paranormal expert earned him opportunities to appear on numerous
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: television shows and of course documentaries alike. He featured on
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: programs like Haunted, Weekends with Sunny Leon and Fear Files,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: where he brought his expertise to the audiences eager to
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: learn about his por expertise. His presence on television, his
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: presence on social media, and helped popularize paranormal studies within India.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: It kind of grew from this just you know, folklore
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: thing that it was before and while his scientific approach
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: made him a very respected figure among not only believers,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: but skeptics skeptics too, so he's really winning over almost everybody,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: okay now. In addition to his field work, Grov believed
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: in educating the public about this paranormal stuff. Right, He's like,
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: we're going to actually talk about this. He organized workshops, seminars,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: training programs to teach enthusiasts and aspiring investigators about tools, techniques,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: the importance of skepticism in paranormal research, which, honestly, I
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: think skepticism is probably the most important tool within the
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: world of paranormal His ability to combine scientific reasoning with
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: compassion set him apart from anyone else. He sought not
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: only to investigate the unknown, as we've been talking about,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: but provide these, you know, the comfort for those who
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: are living in fear or people who are wanting to
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: learn and they don't know how. He's bridging literally every
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: gap that you can fucking think of. He's honestly a
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: revolutionary in his field. Okay, so what.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: He is I know.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Honestly, just listening to this makes me want to go
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: about learning more because that's probably it. I don't know, right,
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: so much unknown and like oh, like that can't be
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: or whatever, because it's hard to convince your brain of
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: things you don't understand. But yeah, just listening to all
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: his education and stuff that he's done, I'm like, I
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: want to know more. I want to learn from him.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Right, I feel you there one percent? And like, honestly
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: we're sitting here talking about him. His influence wasn't limited
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: to just the borders of India. I mean, that's where
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: he started, that's where he grew, that's where he was
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: most popular, but he also collaborated with international teams investigating
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: haunted locations across places like the United States and sharing
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: his experiences globally. His work earned him the title of
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: a pioneering figure in paranormal investigation, as he successfully, like
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: I said, managed to bridge these gaps not only between
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: all these different people these points of view, but science
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: and the paranormal.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow, he sounds just like incredible, like when he
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: puts his mind to something like he's going to do.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: It one hundred percent. And he was now basically a
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: bona fide rock star at this point in his career
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: in his community. Like that's what he was, a fucking
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: rock star.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, however, among this new career, in this new life,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: there was a darkness that seemed to loom over it. See,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: for the past couple of months, Garav began experiencing some
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: strange things. He reportedly expressed feelings of unease and distress,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: confiding in his wife that a negative force was pulling
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: him towards itself. And that's a quote directly from him.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: A negative force was pulling him towards itself.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: Oh jeez.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: He said. He was trying to control it, but he
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: seemed unable to do so.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Oh shit.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, they're coming after him or something.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Hey, it almost seems like yeah. Now, Grov and his
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: wife had just recently married in January of twenty sixteen,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: and he confided in her a few months later after
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: their marriage about this, and she didn't think a whole
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: lot about the statement. He was often working a lot,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: and he was frequently overloaded with his work in fact,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: so she assumed that it was his workload and perhaps
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: the darker nature of his career even that was simply
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: getting to him, right, and maybe you know what, at worst,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: he even began to deal with a little bit of depression.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: That's kind of where she thought his head was at.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Okay, like he was just kind of burning out.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Needed a break, Yeah, definitely.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: So she reassured him, you know, everything's fine and continued
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: to support her husband in his career. Little did she know, though,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: that something sinister was building in his life and it
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: was about to take a fatal turn.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: Uh what? Okay.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Grov continued to work, and he continued with his characteristic
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: dedication that we've talked about investigating claims and experiences. He
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: visited haunted locations and search for answers and the truth
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: just like before, but this cloud continued to loom over
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: him wherever he went. It was on July seventh, twenty sixteen,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: only a few months after talking to his wife about
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: this dark force or whatever, right without warning, Grov was
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: tragically found motionless laying in the bathroom of his home
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: in Duarca, Delhi. He had a thin black mark a
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: black line around his neck. At the age of thirty two,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Grove Tuari was dead.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: This is not where I expected this to go.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: I don't think this is where anyone expected this to go.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, Okay.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: His death caused a wave of shock through the paranormal community,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: and it prompted speculation in various media by fans and
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: paranormal enthusiasts alike that his death was caused by vengeful spirits,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: especially when you consider the things he shared with his
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: wife just months prior. However, following an autopsy, Delli police
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: determined that Garv was not killed by an eventful spirits
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: or ghosts or demons or anything. Instead, he had committed
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: suicide by hanging himself inside his bathroom, and that his
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: death did not involve any foul play.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's what I was sort of wondering because his
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: wife was saying that he might be suffering from depression.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Now, according to an officer, it is a clear
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: case of suicide. He hanged himself in the bathroom using
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: his wife's dupata on Thursday night, And that's a direct quote. Now.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Dupata is an article of clothing which is worn by
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: women in South Asia, particularly in northern parts of India.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: And before we go any further, I do want to
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: talk about one thing. I have not been able to
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: find any information on if Grov was found hanged or yeah,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: he had the dupata around his neck at all. There
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: is a possibility he may have been taken down before
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: investigators arrived. All I've been able to find on this
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: is that he was reported to have been found dead
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: with a thin black line on his neck.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Because yeah, I don't know much about this exactly, but like,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: would the would that leave a thin black line, because
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: that's I don't know. That just seems like a unique description, you.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Know, it is a very unique description. So I know that,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: and that of course, the autopsy said that he was exphyxiated.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: That's how he died, exphyxiation, and the police say it
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: was a clear case of suicide that he hung himself.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Those are the facts that I know, Okay. Outside of that,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know specifics on how he was found, positioning
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: or anything like that. And I think this might be
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: where the language barrier is coming through, and I have
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: not been able to find that information due to you know,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: other languages and I'm you know, English speaking, But there
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: is that possibility that hey, you know what, it just
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: simply hasn't been reported on either or maybe it's a
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: botched investigation. They just didn't report it properly.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, it could be.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: It could be it's just stuff they're not putting out
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: there too, right exactly now.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: I think whoever found him, which I'm assuming was his wife,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: I think she would be the one to know the answer,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: of course on how he was found, right Yeah, But
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: I couldn't find anything on any statements regarding it. Anyways.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Police didn't rely solely on the autopsy, though, they did
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: also begin an investigation, and what they found was information
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: they believe that backs up the suicide theory. Quote he
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: had no major projects lined up for the future, and
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: what projects he had brought in little money, but it
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: was barely enough so he wasn't making a whole lot
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: of money.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: And he had he had previously, I'm assuming so he
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: had this like lifestyle setup where he needed a certain
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: amount of money.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he was. When I said earlier
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: like he's living like a rock star, I don't mean
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: like money. I mean like notoriety.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: Okay, so I don't know people knew of him, and yeah,
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: he was a.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Well established name, but I don't know if he was
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: ever making a crap ton of money by any means,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: And at this point he certainly wasn't, at least as
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: far as the police reports go. And this lack of
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: income and work reportedly they believe led to or sorry
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: not not. They believe this is this is a fact
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: that sorry, I thought I was in a different part.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: This lack of income and work reportedly led to frequent
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: disagreements and arguments within his family. They wanted him to
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: stop pursuing this career of a paranormal investigator, and they
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: wanted him to do something more conventional that would bring
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: in steady income.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Hmmm.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: I just feel like, though, if anyone can go about,
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: you know, like changing their narrative, say he doesn't have
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: a lot of upcoming gigs or whatever, like, he could
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: change that in a heartbeat.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: I believe so too.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: So I don't know.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: I have trouble believing the money thing.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: I guess I agree. I definitely agree, okay.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: But I also feel like if it was anything other
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: than like a suicide type thing, and it was say
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: paranormal that like the rest of us are just doomed.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: If anyone can go about trying is to prevent that,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: you know it would have been him.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Well, they do often say, like, you don't want to
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: open any of those paranormal doors. You don't want to
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: invite anything in right, And if anyone's going to be
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: opening those doors, it's someone in his position. It was
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: him where he's gone over six thousand different investigations.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's very likely that he could have like
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: pissed something off at some point big time.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: So if there are demonic entities or something out there
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: that's vengeful, he's he's putting himself at risk of that.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, he's putting himself at risk
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: of that to find answers and help other people. He
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: would have known the risk he's putting himself at If
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: there is anyone, and if there is anyone to put
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: themselves at that risk, it would have been him.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe he didn't have a bunch of gigs coming
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: up and stuff, because like he was actually going to
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: take a break for once in his life.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Right, that's possible. Yeah, he had just gotten married a
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: couple months before, ye, right, exactly. Maybe they were planning on,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: you know what, next year, We're going to fucking slow
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: this down. We're going to take some time for us.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Who knows. Now his family though, when they heard the
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: new about this suicide, they were shocked. Now they along
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: with his friends, colleagues, followers, they all rejected the notion
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: that he took his own life, insisting that he had
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: absolutely no reason to do so. There may sure, they
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: may have been, you know, family members wanting him to
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: give up the ghost hunting thing and maybe reconsider his
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: choice as going back to being a pilot. Maybe he
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: wasn't making as much money as he should have been.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Maybe he didn't have gigs lined up for the next
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: couple months. Doesn't mean he's not going to Yeah, it
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean he's going to take his own life. He
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: just got fucking married. He'd be happy.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't seem like the time.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: No, So the unexplained nature of his death, coupled with
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: his profession fueled by speculation that he may have been
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: target fueled the speculation that it may have been targeted
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: and overwhelmed by malevolent paranormal forces. Sorry, I'm stumbling all
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: over today, though no concrete evidence to support these claims
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: or theories have ever come forward. I mean, how are
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: you going to find concrete evidence if you were killed
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: by a ghost? Right? Bless you?
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: Excuse me? Sorry now.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Garrov left behind a lasting legacy that continues to influence
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: the field of paranormal investigation in India and the world
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: through the Paranormal Sorry Indian Paranormal Society. His work lives
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: on inspiring others to explore the unknown with courage, compassion,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: and scientific reasoning. His untimely death remains a mystery. Yes,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: much like the cases he dedicated his life to solving,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: and Garv pursued what he loved and for that, I
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: want to make him the official badass of the day today.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: So he is our official badass. Yeah, and that is
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: the story of Garv Twari.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Huh, it's too It's kind of too bad that there's
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: like all the speculation, you know, in regards to his death.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: It's sort of unsettling in a way because I don't know.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: But I also feel like, I guess I never thought
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, if he was how did you word it,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: he had like these entities kind of entities, yeah, within
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: him or whatever. I guess he could have taken his
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: own life because it was just that was what was
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: getting to him so much, and he couldn't shake that.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Hey, maybe there's a possibility of literal possession. Yeah, maybe
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: he had an entity within him like you described, and
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: that thing made him hang himself because.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Well, and I also just feel like, but then it
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: could be something else, because sometimes these entities can leave
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: marks on people's bodies and stuff, right, and they can
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: be very oh what's the word, like very precise, precise, okay,
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: and like a fine black line kind of thing, you know,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Like it doesn't seem like if you had take in
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: your own life, that that would be like what was
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: left on there?
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. A thin black line doesn't make
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: sense to me either, because you're gonna most likely have,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: like if you hang yourself, you're gonna have it's gonna.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Be like a pretty wide line of like bruising.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, have bruising. You're probably maybe even gonna have like
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: burn marks from like the chafing of like the fabric
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: that he used, the doradi, I believe it's called. So
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: you're probably gonna have like some chafing and raw skin,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: some bruising. You're gonna have stippling of the skin from axphyxiation. Right,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: So I couldn't find any of that. All that I
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: found was a report of this black line across his neck.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: Huh.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: I know the word precise is different, but like I
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: feel like when things leave marks on you like it,
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: they can just be very I don't know the right word.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm trying to say here, Like
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: no idea, I'm lost. They can be like kind of
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: out of this world, like they're just.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Not supernatural paranorima.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like I don't know, strange.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: You think of marks that are left from like say
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: aliens or ghosts or whatever, they're just very They're not
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: necessarily like natural looking. Okay, this is what I'm kind
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: of getting at here.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, I think I know your heads out there.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know the word you're.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Looking for the other thing too, is if someone had
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: done that to him, then there could be, like I guess,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: a fine line depending what they used, you know.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: True. Now, I do want to throw out the idea
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: here because I mean Grov was very much so skeptic, Okay,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: So I think we need to look at his case
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: with skeptic eyes, if at the very least to try
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: and honor what he sought to pursue. Right, most likely
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: is he the highest at risk for a demonic entity
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: attack if those are real things? Right, Yes, he's one
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: of those people who puts himself in the line of
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: fire because of what he does. Have there ever been
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: documented cases, proven, documented cases. I need to say that
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: proven of paranormal killing a human as far as I'm aware.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: No, No, okay.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Because I mean if we do have a documented case
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: of that, then we have a documented case of paranormal
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: being real and existing, and he sought out to try
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: and prove that. We still don't know if ghosts, demons,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: entities are a real thing, right, So by logic, speaking
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: of what we have as evidence, I'm not saying by
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: what could be, because hey, trust me, I believe, But
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: as far as evidence leads us, did a ghost or
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: entity or demon kill him. No, as far as I'm concerned. No,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: skeptically speaking, no, because there's no evidence to point towards it.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: But then from an investigation standpoint, like, I don't even
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: think they would be accepting that as a possibility, right, I.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Agree, But from an investigation standpoint, and I don't. I
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: have no evidence. I want to say this flat out
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: before I dive into this. I have no evidence to
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: back any claims. This is simply a theoryum throwing out there. Okay.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: From my investigative perspective, I would investigate the wife, and
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: I mean that's one of the first things to do
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: is always investigate ate the spouse. Right, But to me,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: what if she thought she was marrying this rock star
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: with a bunch of money, and she married him and
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: realized he's always working, he is a little bit down
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: because he has a dark career and he doesn't have
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: that much money. So what if this vengeful spirit isn't
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: the spirit at all. What if it's a vengeful wife.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know there is the possibility too that he
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: was murdered. I haven't said that like earlier, if someone
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: had done this to him his neck themselves, exactly.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: And I but suspect the wife to be a suspect.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, they should have looked into suspects. It almost
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know, sounds like they could have just like suicide,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: you know, done, but lots of times people stayed suicides,
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, not lots of times, but it happens. But
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: then also like she is way less strength than him,
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: most likely to be able to do something like that.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: But there's way of of.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: There's always ways, And honestly, I don't like. I don't
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: think he's a very big guy, and who knows. Maybe
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: his wife is a fucking bodybuilder. We don't know. Maybe
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: she could overpower him. True, Maybe he was asleep and
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: he was a solid sleeper.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, or you could like drug someone. I'm just like
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: thinking from my perspective, there's no way that I wouldn't
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: be able to do that to you.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Now. I do know there was the autopsy, but I
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: don't know if there was a toxicology report, don't him
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: They might have found that the exphyxiation as the cause
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: of death and decided there was no need for toxicology
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: and that maybe a drug was in a system that
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: got missed.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I don't know. This is there's a lot
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: of questions this one.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: So everyone, like, not a single person outside of authorities
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: believe he committed suicide.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Really, hey, yes, it's especially the people close to him.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they believe that there's something else that happened. Now,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: whether it was a vengeful spirit or avengeful human remains unseen.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: And I'm not saying again, I'm not saying I don't
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: believe it was a vengeful spirit. I'm just saying there
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: needs to be evidence to prove it, right, and there isn't.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: It's too bad this is one that it would be
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: rarely like, I mean, all of them I wish were
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: just solved. But it's for this one that I feel
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: like is frustrating because he deserves to have it solved.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was one that sought the truth and that
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: was his career.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: To deliver the truth exactly.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: And for him to now have this surrounding his death,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: I don't think he'd be very happy.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: I know, Like, yeah, it almost makes you sad.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So anyways, he is the badass of the day.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Hopefully you guys enjoyed this one. If you have any
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: thoughts or some perspective or maybe see thought of something
• 38:42
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• 38:44
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• 38:46
  Speaker 1: you think of this episode. What really happened happened to Grov?
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: We'd love to hear it. So we have all of
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: our links on the description of this podcast. You can
• 38:54
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• 39:00
  Speaker 1: I think I'm just gonna leave it at that.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: It's until Friday.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Stay Wicked,